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I just called the (Federal) Dept. of Homeland security (202-282-8000) and asked them the following question:
"Is it true what the American Red Cross has reported that they have not been allowed into the city of New Orleans by the DHS since Hurricane Katrina because their 'presence would keep people from evacuating'"?

First, they put me on hold.  Then I heard 2 beeps and the click that I assume means they were recording me.  Then they asked me my name.  (I told  them, but now I sort of regret it...)  Then they transferred me to Chris at the "Law Enforcement Fusion Desk".  I read my question again.

Update [2005-9-3 1:56:56 by shock]:  JTML pointed out in a comment that the Red Cross FAQ actually says the "state Homeland Security department", so I just called them too.  Read what I found out below. (It's more outrageous than you might think!)

Update [2005-9-3 2:40:52 by shock]:  I just updated the title for clarity.  (Also note, the Federal DHS would not officially confirm this yet.)

(More.)

Note:  This isn't a verbatim transcript -- I'm paraphrasing.  I wasn't smart enough to record the call.  But I just called them and this is what happened to the best of my recollection.

[ed. note]  This first dialog is still with the federal DHS.


He said he hadn't heard this, so I pointed him to the Red Cross FAQ page link that was posted on this diary.  I directed his attention to the second bullet.

He said something to the effect that their policy is trying to help get people out and that this is why they don't want more people coming in.  (***)

I said I understood that, but that it didn't make sense to let people starve or die of thirst in the meantime.

He responded that this wasn't happening.  That as soon as they pick somebody up, they take them out of there.

I argued with him and told him this wasn't true, that it had been on CNN that people had been being picked up and put down at the convention center where there was no food or water.

He said that all he could tell me was that they were picking people up and taking them out of there.... that their policy was to help the people.

Then I asked who at the DHS was responsible for the policy that kept the Red Cross out.

He said that would have to be Michael Chertoff.

I asked him for his own name and position again and then asked if I could make this public that the DHS was confirming what was on the Red Cross website.

Silence.

After a few seconds I asked if he was there and he said "yeah," and then nothing else.

So I asked my question again and he said "No".

Silence.

I asked why he had said no to me, and rather than answer me, he asked me what I wanted to do with the information.

I said I wanted to email it to my friends and put it on a blog.  I think I heard him scoff at this, but I'm not sure.

I asked him again why I couldn't disseminate it and he said he didn't know who I was. Then he asked me directly who I was and why I wanted to know.

I told him that I was a citizen and I wanted to know because I actually gave a fuck about the people of New Orleans.  (I was pissed by now because he was patronizing me and he had already lied to me.)

He said they did too.

I said something like "so you won't confirm what the American Red Cross is reporting then?", to which he said something like "no".  (It was short.)

I asked why not and he asked me why I wanted to post it.

At this point I lost my temper and went on a little tirade.  I said (something like) "because it's a stupid fucking policy!  And people have died because of it.  And if Michael Chertoff is responsible, people should be made aware of that.  And if you and he think it's a good policy, you should be willing to stand by it and take responsibility for it!"  (There was more swearing in there too, but I can't remember exactly what now.  I was very pissed.  At this point in the conversation, my wife, who was in the room, about fell out of her chair and started motioning to me to shut up.)

After a few seconds of silence, I asked again, so you can't confirm this?

And he said "no".

So I asked who at DHS could.

He told me to call back and talk to the public affairs office on the same number (202-282-8000, although they transferred me to him, so I don't know if that's really his number), but that they wouldn't be back until Tuesday.


I am so pissed right now.  If Chertoff really did order this, his head should be served up (Cajun style) on a platter to the mayor of New Orleans.

P.S. When I hung up the phone, the first thing my wife said to me was, "Great. Now you'll be drafted for sure!"


Update [2005-9-3 1:8:41 by shock]:  (***)  IMO, this is the crucial point of the dialog.  I wish I had recorded it so I could tell you exactly what he said.  But my recollection is strong that he actually admitted the policy here and was trying to defend it to me.


Update [2005-9-3 1:56:56 by shock]:  JTML pointed out in a comment that the Red Cross FAQ actually says the "state Homeland Security department", so I just called them too.  (This time I took better notes.)  I called the Communications Center for the Louisianna Office of Homeland Security and Emergency Preparedness at 225-925-7500.  After an operator ("that's above my pay grade") and some other "officer" (at the Operations desk, I think), I ended up at the Media relations desk talking to a really cool and helpful guy, Lt. Kevin Cowan (Public Information Officer) who said I could quote him ("that's my job").  Although I didn't get everything typed word for word (the parts in quotation marks are though), I read him my notes when we were finished, so this is now 'confirmed'. Here goes...

"As part of the disaster plan there's an agreement between the state and the Red Cross for them not to enter."

He didn't know the exact details of the agreement, but he said it had to do with "safety issues" since this is "still a disaster area and still unsafe" with things like "high water, etc."

When I asked specifically about the statement on the Red Cross webpage that said it was because their "presence would keep people from evacuating", he said this wasn't the reason.

Me: "Who on your end made this agreement with the red cross?"

He checked with the Operations desk and came back and told me it was probably a decision between the director of their agency, General Landreneau, the Governor, and Mike Brown at FEMA.  He said he didn't know the exact groups in these agencies that worked out the agreement, but "ultimately, they're the ones in charge who sign off on it".  He said "it's all a coordinated effort and guidelines are established."  The point is they "don't want to put anyone at undue risk".  (I was thinking "anyone, who? surely not the people of New Orleans!", but I didn't say anything because he was being so cool.)

Here's the kicker. He then told me that this agreement was for any and all disasters, not just the one in Louisiana!

I asked him how long this policy had been in effect, and he told me, "It's a work in progress; it's always changing."

Wow.

Also, he asked me who I was and if I was with the media.  I told him I was going to post the info on a blog (and asked if I could use his name).  His reply was that blogs are media. "Hey, that's information out there, isn't it?  It's basically the same thing."  He also asked me what blog, and he wrote it down.

Anyway, as I said, he was pretty cool..


Update [2005-9-3 4:55:23 by shock]:   In a comment below, Orj Ozeppi reports that the Salvation Army is telling people the same thing as the ARC:  "if we help, people won't leave."  So we have a discrepancy between these relief agencies and LA Homeland Security as to the reason.  The relief agencies are consistent.  It may be that this policy is just because it's a disaster zone, as the LA Homeland Security guy said, but this question needs to be answered.   Was the decision to keep the relief agencies out made to force people to evacuate (and punish those who didn't... perhaps making a lesson of them?) by making conditions intolerable???   If not, why do these relief agencies say so?  And if so, WHY THE FUCK ARE THERE THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE LOCKED IN THE CONVENTION CENTER WITHOUT AID (TONIGHT AS I TYPE THIS) NOT BEING ALLOWED OUT OF NEW ORLEANS???!   I can't process this anymore.   It's too surreal.   Maybe I just need sleep.   I pray I wake up tomorrow and this was just a severe nightmare.


Originally posted to shock on Fri Sep 02, 2005 at 09:24 PM PDT.

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  •  Great job! (4.00)
    I admire you! You really did get him, too. He said it, then realized he just got someone in a lot of trouble!

    I cannot believe they would not confirm what the Red Cross said!

    That makes me wonder if The Red Cross just decided to speak out against the DHC's wishes.

    Hmmm?

    "Getting on with my life means a life without my dear, sweet boy. I wish a little bike ride could help me get on with my life." Cindy Sheehan

    by Dunbar on Fri Sep 02, 2005 at 09:29:48 PM PDT

    •  I'm now afraid of this too. (4.00)
      He took particular care at the begining to make sure he got the web address right.  (It had lots of commas in it and he kept having me repeat it.)  After I got done, he was at the site instantly.

      In the back of my mind, I was thinking "oops!"

      So I made a screen shot of the Red Cross web page.  I'm wondering how long before they change it.
      The link is:
         http://www.redcross.org/faq/0,1096,0_682_4524,00.html#4524
      Watch for the second bullet to go away.

      Life is like this analogy...

      by shock on Fri Sep 02, 2005 at 09:38:42 PM PDT

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      •  I'll take this to be the tip jar. Have a 4 on me (none)

        Patriotism means to stand by the country. It does not mean to stand by the president or any other public official... ~Theodore Roosevelt

        by caseynm on Fri Sep 02, 2005 at 10:05:08 PM PDT

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      •  BTW... (4.00)
        The second bullet now reads:
        The state Homeland Security Department had requested--and continues to request--that the American Red Cross not come back into New Orleans following the hurricane. Our presence would keep people from evacuating and encourage others to come into the city.

        Life is like this analogy...

        by shock on Fri Sep 02, 2005 at 10:10:31 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  Not just ARC (4.00)
          I was away all day, but read this email I rcvd today (from Florida)...

          "Believe it or not........ And I heard coming home tonight that somebody from the radio station who's been collecting supplies, called the Salvation Army to inquire as to a good destination to deliver the stuff too, and was told they've been told to more or less stand down (my words) because if they deliver assistance the people won't leave and authorities want them to go away so they can clean up and tear down and make things right again and if people are in the way (and they have to worry about people) it just delays the process." <close quote>

          ~this is a deliberate directive~~~~~~~

          Unless our conception of patriotism is progressive, it cannot hope to embody the real affection and the real interest of the nation. ---Jane Addams

          by Orj ozeppi on Sat Sep 03, 2005 at 01:22:27 AM PDT

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          •  Well God Damn (none)
            I would hate for them to have to worry about people

            The Christian Right is neither Witness Every Day

            by TXsharon on Sat Sep 03, 2005 at 06:07:24 AM PDT

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          •  Aren't the Natl Guard and Army (none)
            supposed to be using busses to take people OUT of the city?

            They don't want to give them food/water in the meantime -- why? They want to have to clean up many, many thousands of BODIES rather than people who can move on their own?

            This is insane. INSANE. Bordering on genocide insane.

          •  Forest Service fire-fighting planes kept out too (4.00)
            So says NOLA.com:
            The Forest Service has offered fixed plane aircraft used to fight forest fires to help extinguish blazes in New Orleans, according to two congressional sources. But the sources said the planes, which can pour large amounts of water on fires, remained grounded in Missouri Friday because the Department of Homeland Security hasn't authorized their use.

            The department is overseeing federal hurricane relief and rescue operations.

            "We've been asking them to request that the planes be used, but nothing has happened," said one of the two congressional sources, both of whom asked to remain anonymous. The planes were offered by the Forest Service because of news reports that firefighters in New Orleans lacked adequate water pressure to fight a number of fires in the city.

            There was no immediate comment from the Forest Service, which is part of the Agriculture Department, or the Department of Homeland Security.
            I have an immediate comment or two, but there's been enough loud curse words around here recently....
            •  Tell CNN (none)
              I wonder if they know this on CNN. I just saw them reporting on the fires. Fire trucks do not have access to water so have to bring it in with tankers. This does not seem to provide enough water. The plane could possibly help a great deal.
      •  Not quite. (none)
        Read the beginning of the sentence at the second bullet again--it blames the "state Homeland Security Department".

        I assume that the p.r. folks at the Red Cross were distinguishing between the federal Homeland Security Department and the state one (there is such a Louisiana state agency).

        What we need to determine, if the state agency indeed barred the Red Cross, is whether the state folks were acting on their own, whether there was any direction from the governor's office, or whether the state agency was taking direction from the federal department (with which they probably have close contact).

        We're all in this together

        by JTML on Fri Sep 02, 2005 at 10:18:06 PM PDT

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        •  Great point. I didn't even notice that. (none)
          Well now, since they already got my name and I'm heading to Guantanamo anyway, I guess I'd better call the LA DHS.

          This time, I'll try to take notes as I do.
          (Yes, I'm still pissed.)

          Life is like this analogy...

          by shock on Fri Sep 02, 2005 at 10:21:19 PM PDT

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          •  Tape it! (none)
            We've got your back.

            Seriously, all these people have x-files and tapes to substantiate what is said.

            If the tapes cannot be used legally in your state or theirs then that can be determined that 'at a later date.'
            Many states consider audio tapes like 'personal notes' and other party does not need to be apprised of taping ahead of time.

            •  it's a federal issue (4.00)
              If the tapes cannot be used legally in your state or theirs then that can be determined that 'at a later date.'

              your State doesn't have any say over what you do in a federal court, and FEMA and HSD are federal agencies

              record away, these people work for you

              and don't forget to ask the supervisor's name up front

              it puts them on the defensive right away

              if you want respect, grab a federal employee by the balls. You have a congressman and two Senators who would be very interested in why FEMA can't help you over the phone

              FEMA supervisors don't like being called by congresscritters, and the schmuck on the phone knows that

              •  Tell them you're taping them. (none)
                They probably won't even notice you say it, and it will be on the tape.
                •  In order for it not to be wiretapping... (none)
                  You have to explicitly tell them, then ask them if they understand, and for their consent, and get affirmative answers to both.  All that has to be ON THE TAPE.

                  That we're having to ask questions like this about agencies that theoretically have as their mission the preservation of our lives (or at least helping to clean up afterwards) is, literally, an indictment of our government.  This could be seen as Murder 1, Conspiracy to commit manslaughter, and negligent homicide, and those are just the top three (for the various stages of this fiasco).  These are capital crimes.

                  Every year or so, this administration has done a wonderful job of proving just how little it cares about the country, OUTDOING ITSELF EVERY TIME.

                  They need to go.

                  Searching for Truth, Justice, and the Guy Who Boosted My Wallet a Few Weeks Back...

                  by Stealthbadger on Sat Sep 03, 2005 at 04:33:40 PM PDT

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                  •  Really? (none)
                    Then how come every time I call any customer service line I get the standard 'this call may be monitored' crap? I'm assuming they're recording them as well as 'monitoring' them. I don't give any permission, and they don't ask for any.

                    So tell them 'this call may be monitored for training purposes' or some other crap. And record it - for training purposes, of course.

            •  Taping may be illegal w/o consent of both parties (none)
              Be careful: state eavesdropping statutes vary. Some require the consent of both parties for audio recordings. For example, see http://www.aapsonline.org/judicial/telephone.htm (I don't vouch for the accuracy of this site, but it demonstrates the variation in state statutes.)
            •  Taping and laws (4.00)
              At ePluribus Media community site, there's some info on taping interviews and the law:
              Recording Interviews
        •  Of course the state Homeland Security Department (none)
          said that, the federal Homeland Security Department can't make any decisions - even the stupid ones.

          "Repetition does not transform a lie into a truth." -- Franklin D. Roosevelt

          by sgilman on Fri Sep 02, 2005 at 10:34:57 PM PDT

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      •  get the name first (4.00)
        I always ask for the name of the person I am speeking to, and the name of his supervisor

        when they ask why I need to know who his supervisor is, I tell em "cause if you hang up on me I'm gonna call your boss and ask him why that happened"

        I also ask if the person realizes that he works for me

        government employees hate it when I call

      •  Just checked (none)
        it's still there.

        As long as I count the votes, what are you going to do about it? - William Marcy Tweed

        by sidnora on Sat Sep 03, 2005 at 08:06:12 AM PDT

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    •  Amen to the Great Job!!! (none)
  •  TUESDAY?! (4.00)
    That there's anyone in that building taking any damn time off at all right now is a tragic embarassment.
    •  Hey, the big boss takes vacations all the time (none)
      Remember, these are probably Bush appointees. They're just following Fearless Leader's example by taking a little time off.

      (Missouri 2nd Congressional District)

      The Universe is a big place ... perhaps the biggest. -Kilgore Trout

      by fugitive on Fri Sep 02, 2005 at 09:34:14 PM PDT

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    •  Oh, my (none)
      the biggest natural disaster in the history of the US, but we wouldn't want to let that get in the way of a three day holiday weekend.

      Fucking Chertoff.  Any sane director with the slightest bit of competence would have cancelled all holidays and vacations -- and this weekend as well.

      What FDR giveth; GWB taketh away.

      by Marie on Fri Sep 02, 2005 at 09:54:38 PM PDT

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    •  Labor Day weekend (none)
      They probably have plans. Can't interrupt their plans with a disaster.
      •  holiday weekend (none)
        I spent yesterday (and will spend today) answering phones and providing office help for a California-based international relief agency, which is very experienced in addressing front line health issues after disasters like this.  

        The most outrageous thing I found out yesterday afternoon is that senior state health officials in Texas and Mississippi, who are in a position to sign off on receiving medicines, medical equipment, supplies, etc., are taking off and won't return until 9 a.m. Tuesday.  In fact, many of them took off early on Friday, leaving their underlings to wonder whether they had the authority to facilitate weekend deliveries from out of state....

        No, these senior officials did not go to New Orleans to check out the disaster firsthand.  They are presumably having cookoffs, watching football on TV, and getting drunk with the family. I honestly don't know the political affiliations of the senior government officials involved and I'm not in a position to name names, but I certainly hope the local media looks into this.  It was very shocking and demoralizing.

        By contrast, everyone in Louisiana seemed to be pulling his or her weight.

         

  •  I second the "Great Job" comment (none)
    What a concept: Citizens that give a shit! (that's a compliment).

    (Missouri 2nd Congressional District)

    The Universe is a big place ... perhaps the biggest. -Kilgore Trout

    by fugitive on Fri Sep 02, 2005 at 09:32:22 PM PDT

  •  unraveling (4.00)
    before our eyes

    this is what happens when you elect people who don't give a fuck about anything other than their fat wallets

    "People seem not to see that their opinion of the world is also a confession of their character."--Ralph Waldo Emerson

    by rioduran on Fri Sep 02, 2005 at 09:33:20 PM PDT

  •  Does anybody know how (or if) (4.00)
    the distribution of refugees is being coordinated.  My county (Williamson in Tennessee)has spaces ready for 8400 and only a few dozen have arrived, as far as I know.  Middle Tennessee is a little bit farther away than east Texas, but we have space here.

    So I see only tatters of clearness through a pervading obscurity - Annie Dillard

    by illinifan17 on Fri Sep 02, 2005 at 09:33:34 PM PDT

    •  I posted a diary (4.00)
      on this that I may end up deleting, but I heard this evening on our local Faux affiliate (Fox Channel 2 in St. Louis) that FEMA wasn't allowing refugees to go to other places. Specifically, the 'weak and infirm.'

      The driver of a St. Louis bus trying to bring some people to spaces already set up for them (I think it's an unused mental hospital) was briefly interviewed and mentioned on the air that a bus bound for Memphis or Nashville (memory fading here) was also told by FEMA they couldn't go there.

      I'm working on verifying this, but your note starts to add a little veracity.

      Are the few refugees there people who got out on their own? Seems that it's just the poor sods who couldn't get out are the ones being rounded up into concentrated camps.

      (Missouri 2nd Congressional District)

      The Universe is a big place ... perhaps the biggest. -Kilgore Trout

      by fugitive on Fri Sep 02, 2005 at 09:38:28 PM PDT

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    •  In Madison, Tenn. (none)
      There's an unused hospital that would probably make a nice temporary shelter - a damn sight better than a stadium.

      If it's going to be three months or so before people are allowed to go home, they should be made as comfortable as possible, not just warehoused on cots.

    •  Strong Angel being brought online (none)
      The strong angel team is being brought online to help coordinate efforts.  

      They did great work coordinating aid organizations in Sri Lanka (many of which were too territorial to work together otherwise).  

      It's unbelievable that they weren't brought into this in time to prevent the worst of this unfolding national nightmare. No matter how much I see or hear, I still can't really accept that it's possible for the people "in charge" to be so callous, incompetent, and cruel in the face of so much suffering. It makes me nauseous.

      Beware the everyday brutality of the averted gaze.

      by mataliandy on Sat Sep 03, 2005 at 11:53:45 AM PDT

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  •  have you e-mailed this (4.00)
    to Keith Olbermann and Aaron Brown? This needs to get out to the media, and they're the two who we can trust the most to report what needs to be reported.

    Great work, BTW!

  •  WAY to go Shock (none)
    recommended... thank you so much for calling and reporting this information to us.
  •  Recommended. (none)
    Great work!  Man, having citizens take them to task just stuns these people doesn't it.  First thing they do is look for a rock to crawl under -- anything but stand by their own actions.

    So much for the Republican mantra of "personal responsibility".  It should be rephrased as "Responsibility -- but not me, personally"

    It is only those who have neither fired a shot nor heard the shrieks and groans of the wounded who cry aloud for blood, more vengeance, more desolation.

    by martianchronic on Fri Sep 02, 2005 at 09:43:08 PM PDT

  •  I'm about to call (none)
    Thank you. I think every person reading this should make the exact same call. I'm about to, join me.
  •  Is there an 800 number? (none)
  •  Way to (none)
    go you beautiful citizen journalist you.  Nice fucking job.  I hope they don't bother you to much, but it was worth it either way.  Way to get them to squirm.  Idiots.

    "Have you no sense of decency, sir. At long last, have you left no sense of decency?" -- Boston Attorney Joe Welch, taking down Sen. Joe McCarthy.

    by BostonJoe on Fri Sep 02, 2005 at 09:56:04 PM PDT

  •  Thank you for taking charge of this (4.00)
    We need answers.  I heard the tail end of Jesse Jackson asking a Red Cross spokesman about this on Larry King.  Same worthless excuses.  We need to make a mighty noise on this.  This transcends mere incompetence.  This is deliberate cruelty.
  •  Al Gore had planes lined up ... (4.00)
    ... to get refugees and was refused because FEMA is supposedly only allowed to deal with gov't officials, which he no longer is. Friend of mine heard it on Washington Week or some such. Gore got some airlines to agree to fly empty 747's down there to pick up refugees and fly them anywhere, but they couldn't get permission to land.

    This is fucked on so many levels ....

    •  Questionable info (none)
      Our local news profiled a family in Georgia that loaded up their van with supplies for the refugees and headed to NO to help with the effort, and was reportedly doing so in cooperation with FEMA. The newscaster even said that because they were working with FEMA they were given permission to help, and that nobody should just pack up and head down there unless they coordinate their efforts with FEMA. So I have to wonder if that's true about Gore's effort being turned away.
      •  see my comment below (none)
        Yes Al Gore paid for two planes to fly critical care victims out of NO hospitals and Homeland Security blocked them, claiming that FEMA cannot allow aid to privately funded hospitals. It wasn't b/c Gore was a former federal employee. But the rest is true.

        "As individual fingers we can easily be broken, but all together, we make a mighty fist" Watanka Tatanka (Sitting Bull)

        by wild salmon on Fri Sep 02, 2005 at 10:59:12 PM PDT

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    •  WHAT???? (4.00)
      He was the frickin' VICE PRESIDENT for 8 years!

      What the HELL is going on here? I mean, really. This is starting to sound like some crazy spy novel or something.

      What is the possible motive for this???

      "Getting on with my life means a life without my dear, sweet boy. I wish a little bike ride could help me get on with my life." Cindy Sheehan

      by Dunbar on Fri Sep 02, 2005 at 10:10:58 PM PDT

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      •  I read in another earlier post (none)
        they are worried about epidemics.
        •  Bullshit (4.00)
          Then when people get on the busses or planes you give them cholera/typhoid/yellow fever shots, you give them antibiotics (which they should probably be getting anyway, since they were exposed to so much raw sewage) and you give them tetanus shots. You give them info about symptoms, tell them that there will be NO CHARGE for them to get medical care, the gov't will take care of it. And you give them a special insurance card.  

          You notify the hospitals in the areas they're going to to ask where they are from if they get sick, so they know what unusual things to test/look for.

          Are they likely to get sick? Sure. Is it treatable, even if it's cholera, etc.? Sure.

          Epidemics my ass. Incompetence. Total incompetence.

      •  "That's the rules and... (none)
        ...there are no exceptions."

        Said with crossed arms (and a slight lisp) of course.

        There needs to be some discipline in any undertaking the size of the relief effort, but no one involved seems to actually be thinking. You don't want hundreds of people driving to NOLA with a box of toys, clogging the roads in the process. But a limited, targeted, coordinated effort like Gore's would seem to be worth making an exception for.

        We have a government of fundamentalists; no critical thinking is allowed. Everything you need to know has already been written down for you. Anyone who suggests deviating from that course has been sent by Satan.

        "What is wanted is not the will to believe, but the wish to find out, which is the exact opposite." - Bertrand Russell

        by Mad Dog Rackham on Sat Sep 03, 2005 at 09:30:35 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  Fantastic job, Citizen Shock (none)
    It's been so long since the label "citizen" had any heroic and positive connotation... it may even have been last in 1789!

    You are a courageous and righteous man. Thank you.

    aude sapere -- Dare to know!

    by Valtin on Fri Sep 02, 2005 at 10:05:28 PM PDT

  •  Sadly, No! (none)
    Some folks said this and this don't pass the smell test, but I trust Gavin and the other posters.

    Apparently several different sources have said they were ready to be in the city yesterday or earlier, but were told to wait, until they could go in with the Bush parade this morning.

  •  Please please (4.00)
    let this little story get picked up the RWCM. The Red Cross should be screaming.

    "conservatives are the worshipers of dead radicals".

    by gandalf on Fri Sep 02, 2005 at 10:10:46 PM PDT

  •  Are you getting the idea of a news blackout? (4.00)
    Someone mentioned a news blackout yesterday. With the Red Cross not being allowed in, Bush shows up with the military plus food and water for those at the Superdome.

    Didn't Michael Brown say they were prepared as early as Aug. 28th with a "ring" of relief around the predicted landfall zone?

    News crews got in and saw very few cops and no military personel. So where was this "ring" of relief?

    Did they convoy all the way from Washington in a 5 day trip?

    •  Screw the US media- Watch BBC news (4.00)
      They have had journalists in the trenches all week.

      Their coverage will win awards- mark my words.

      They have made all the links and are telling it exactly how it is and have the crews on the ground and the film to prove it.

      "As individual fingers we can easily be broken, but all together, we make a mighty fist" Watanka Tatanka (Sitting Bull)

      by wild salmon on Fri Sep 02, 2005 at 10:56:39 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Agree--Foreign News Often Gives Better View (none)

        Foreign correspondents "get it".  For example, here is a good article from bbc.com today.

        New Orleans Shame

        My personal solution is to make my home page BBC.com

        Unfortunately, that doesn't solve the problem of how joe-six-pack will/won't get the straight story from the U.S. MSM.  I am still worrying about that too.

        Way to go, Shock!


    •  News Blackout (4.00)
      I'm expecting a news blackout when they start collecting the dead. Those pics will be the worst PR possible for ALL the politicians. Imagine watchig CNN and seeing a split screen on Bush giving another photo-op and the dead being collected.

      "We will no longer suffer in silence this continued assault that has now passed beyond intolerable"----A True US Patriot

      by khloemi on Sat Sep 03, 2005 at 12:10:26 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Not this time (none)
        this isn't Iraq. They're not going to be able to stop the cell phone pics, the natl guard troops talking, posting, taking digital pics and uploading them.

        No, this is HERE. Harder to keep things under control here. Thank God.

  •  Question for Bush (4.00)
    If your mother was stranded in New Orleans, would you want the Red Cross to withhold food in order to encourage her to leave?

    Follow up:  If she died because she didn't have any food or water from the Red Cross, would you be satisfied with her being placed in a wheelchair and covered in a blanket?

    •  Well... (4.00)
      [To Bush] If your mother was stranded in New Orleans, would you want the Red Cross to withhold food in order to encourage her to leave?

      We know the answer - of course not. George Bush is a racist, classist SOB who thinks he is better than you or me. George thinks poor black folks need to keep a stiff upper lip when not being given food for 4 days in an emergency, However if Pres. Psychopath's Mom were in New Orleans you can bet a million dollars that an Apache copter would be there in 2 seconds to airlift her out.

      This SOB works for us! He is not King George III no matter how much he pretends to be.

      That we are to stand by the president, right or wrong is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. ~Teddy Roosevelt

      by assyrian64 on Fri Sep 02, 2005 at 11:16:44 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  Send money to the Salvation Army? (none)
      My grandmother was in a horrendous hurricane in Miami in the 20's and seethed whenever she heard the name, the "Red Cross."  She'll never forgive them for selling them supplies at retail in the tent city that had been set up.  I've heard similar stories from others.  

      Are all charitable organizations barred?

      Separation of Church and State AND Corporation

      by Einsteinia on Fri Sep 02, 2005 at 11:17:35 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Shock -- You Rock!!! (none)
    Ditto to all of the other accolades for your excellent work. Fantabulistic work!

    Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has. -- Margaret Mead

    by ilona on Fri Sep 02, 2005 at 10:18:47 PM PDT

  •  This is so fricking important (4.00)
    I am absolutely dumbfounded, shocked, horrified, ashamed, I CANNOT BELIEVE IT, WTF IS WRONG WITH THESE PEOPLE [screaming]

    Thank you Shock for this diary, my eyeballs are popping out of my skull with rage right now, I can't believe the incompetence, the lies, the hideous callous FUCKING INHUMAN DISREGARD FOR LIFE....

  •  This is one of the most shocking aspects of (4.00)
    this disaster. I cannot believe the mainstream media has not picked up on this. I just checked out the Red Cross website and it's true. Wow, I'm just in disbelief.
    http://www.redcross.org/faq/0,1096,0_682_4524,00.html#4524
  •  Red Cross bullet point irrelevant (4.00)
    FEMA should have actively coordinated and escorted Red Cross missions into NOLA to get water food and medicine to the victims starting on Tuesday.

    Red Cross is likely covering the ass of FEMA.  I mean, Red Cross communications with state DHS are beside the point.  The state DHS is, of course, not capable of ensuring Red Cross safety when HALF OF THE STATE HAS BEEN COMPLETELY WRECKED.  That's what the federal government is for, dammit.

  •  Does anyone have a screenshot of the original??? (none)
    The "blame Blanco/Nagin" talking points crowd is sticking to message. If anyone has a screenshot of the original second bullet point. Does it say Department of Homeland Security or does it say state Department of Homeland Security.

    Is the Red Cross simply covering Bush?!?

  •  the head of the red cross said that on (none)
    larry king tonight.
  •  Heard on CNN (4.00)
    I have seen the president of the Red Cross saying on CNN that FEMA does not want the Red Cross in New Orleans because it would encourage people to stay.
    •  Hurricane Response Plans (none)
      >>>As a result of the Hurricane Pam Exercise, agencies are in the process of applying what they learned to their emergency response plans. Those changes include:

          * assisting people without transportation - the American Red Cross is developing a program that would ask private citizens to collect people at area churches and transport them.<<<

      We are a leaderless country...

      by mattes on Fri Sep 02, 2005 at 11:22:51 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Homeland Security is blocking aid to NO (4.00)
    It is true.

    It is probably not intentional malice, it is the fact that Bushco and Congress created this enormous bureaucracy that is actually preventing aid from getting to victims.

    Case in point (heard it on PBS tonite):

    Al Gore knows a doctor at one of the hospitals in NO and paid for TWO airliners to fly in and evacuate victims in order to fly critical care patients to waiting hospitals around the nation.

    Homeland Security BLOCKED this from happening. Why? Because FEMA is not allowed to help PRIVATELY funded hospitals.

    WTF?

    Those people in critical condition, in hospitals were DENIED a free and safe evacuation.

    Un-fucking-believable.

    "As individual fingers we can easily be broken, but all together, we make a mighty fist" Watanka Tatanka (Sitting Bull)

    by wild salmon on Fri Sep 02, 2005 at 10:53:22 PM PDT

  •  This fits a pattern (4.00)
    So far we've learned that the Army was held back by the National Guard ("we've got it under control"); that Canadian supplies have been parked at the border for days and refused entry; that no offers of international help have been accepted; and that supplies ordered and paid for by private hospitals have been commandeered as they prepared to land on the roofs that so desperately needed them.  Behind every one of these decisions is a federal authority, and most of them have been FEMA.
    •  Canada sorta bypassed DHS (4.00)
      Two Canadian frigates, one destroyer and one coast guard vessel sailed from Halifax today with supplies and about 1000 personnel.

      The Urban Search and Rescue Team from Vancouver (CAN-TF-1) in SAR parlance, has bypassed the US authorities to make a deal with the State ofg Louisiana and are now operating with the Louisiana State Police since Friday morning in St. Bernard Parish, east of NOLA. They're the only SAR team operating in that parish.

      •  I thank them (none)
        Someone needs to cut through the crap and just DO it.
      •  It's not like (none)
        The Canadians are going to be held off at gunpoint if they attempt to land relief workers and supplies...

        ...right?

        It's only Nero-esque if the city is burning. :)

        by cskendrick on Sat Sep 03, 2005 at 04:41:42 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

      •  WOW. (none)
        Two Canadian frigates, one destroyer and one coast guard vessel sailed from Halifax today with supplies and about 1000 personnel.

        The Urban Search and Rescue Team from Vancouver (CAN-TF-1) in SAR parlance, has bypassed the US authorities to make a deal with the State ofg Louisiana and are now operating with the Louisiana State Police since Friday morning in St. Bernard Parish, east of NOLA. They're the only SAR team operating in that parish.

        That's a pretty major development.  

    •  I agree. (4.00)
      The Red Cross statement that

      Our presence would keep people from evacuating and encourage others to come into the city.

      is ridiculous and completely illogical.

      As if any homeless survivor would want to stay in that hellhole for one moment longer than necessary, much less reenter the area.

      •  Right, like anyone would want to stay in NO. (4.00)
        You know, because everyone LOVES to sit in their own and other peoples feces and die in sweltering heat without food, water and power.  Are you fucking kidding me?

        I'm scared as hell.  

        Does the devil wear a suit and tie, Or does he work at the Dairy Queen- Martin Sexton

        by strengthof10kmen on Sat Sep 03, 2005 at 04:33:16 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

      •  Cats (4.00)
        Have you ever fed stray cats? They keep coming back for more. This is the Republican "logic" of way any welfare is wrong. Especially "welfare" for people they wish would just die or go back to Africa.

        The Republicans are sure that blacks aren't human. And now we -- all the rest of us -- are sure the Republicans aren't.

      •  They aren't letting anyone walk out (4.00)
        Shepherd Smith and Geraldo Rivera both reported on Fox last night (video at Crooks and Liars) that the people outside the Convention Center had tried to walk across the I-10 bridge if they could.

        When they got to the other side, there were armed, apparently Federal, blockades preventing them from crossing. A checkpoint turned you back if you weren't from Gretna.

        Apparently they are worried about the Walmart that is right next to the other side of the bridge.

        •  Martial law (none)

          Then commandeer and secure the Wal-Mart, deputize people to put together relief kits and set up a station outside the entrance and hand supply kits to the locals.  Inventory what you take and write Wal-Mart a check for it.  

          That way Wal-Mart doesn't lose its merchandise to decay or looters and people get fed.

  •  Good work! And I hope you don't get drafted. (none)
    n/t
  •  They don't want the RC or aid groups to see (4.00)
    how bad it is getting in there.

    That is the ONLY reason they would keep people out- bureacracy, HLS whatever.

    If you want to see what is really going on in NO watch the BBC news.

    They have journalists in the trenches and they are covering it all. Security forces have been given shoot-to-kill orders for looters while people are dropping dead from thirst, starvation, or illness ten feet from the police and national guard.

    It is a national disgrace.

    Kind of gives you a diff perspective of what it must be like for civilians in Iraq.

    "As individual fingers we can easily be broken, but all together, we make a mighty fist" Watanka Tatanka (Sitting Bull)

    by wild salmon on Fri Sep 02, 2005 at 11:21:55 PM PDT

  •  Well done (none)
    But if it is an agreement between these groups, you did not in fact "confirm" the ARC story line which lays the blame off onto the feds.

    And the next question you might want to research is whether the feds are calling the shots or whether the ARC is calling th shots...and there is quite a little bit of history on that score...and in the course of that you might want to discern who is dependent on whom, and therefore, who has the most power in the transaction.

    I maintain that if the ARC really wanted to be in NO, they'd have been there, not in Houston.

    Which minority group would Jesus hate?

    by NorCalJim on Fri Sep 02, 2005 at 11:29:36 PM PDT

    •  you did not in fact "confirm" the ARC (none)
      story and might want to edit your title to reflect that.

      Thanks for your work.

      Which minority group would Jesus hate?

      by NorCalJim on Fri Sep 02, 2005 at 11:31:18 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  What was confirmed... (4.00)
      ...is the agreement between the Red Cross, the state of LA Homeland Security and Governor's office, and FEMA.  Note that FEMA is federal.

      What is still in dispute is whether the reason was because the Red Cross 'presence would keep people from evacuating' (still on their webpage) or it was for saftey reasons because it's a disaster area (the LA Homeland Security office's story).  Note that it could be both, as the Homeland Security reason seems more general.  If the Red Cross's web page is to be believed, this is pretty disgusting.  Even if not though, having this policy for all disasters seems pretty stupid!!!  (And the most dubious part is the "it's always changing" line.)

      But I take your point about the title.  I wanted to write more, but there wasn't space.  I'll try to tweak it a little.

      Life is like this analogy...

      by shock on Fri Sep 02, 2005 at 11:37:15 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Something VERY dirty is going on here (4.00)
        whether we figure it out exactly or not, or who is telling the truth or not.

        Some more ideas for an astute researcher:

        There was a post the other night about some dickhead LA nat Guard general who refused to request army assitance from some base taht was full of helicopters ...because he insisted that it be proven taht the LA Guard couldn't handle it, before he asked for help.

        Also something strange about taht convoy.  Why delay until all 100 units are fueled and loaded?  Just seems like needless delay, if you could dispatch five at a time.  Unless they werre playing dress up, cavalry rides to the rescue.  

        IMHO there is soemthing vbry weird about taht Gen. Honore guy.  

        I'm toast, g'night.

        Which minority group would Jesus hate?

        by NorCalJim on Sat Sep 03, 2005 at 12:16:03 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

      •  Keep in mind that the "agreement"... (none)
        ...between ARC and FEMA may be along the lines of Chertoff saying "You will stay out of NO. We wouldn't your people to accidentally get shot. Agreed?"

        "What is wanted is not the will to believe, but the wish to find out, which is the exact opposite." - Bertrand Russell

        by Mad Dog Rackham on Sat Sep 03, 2005 at 09:34:03 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  My God - (4.00)
    Bless you, Shock - I agree with all here - you must send this info out to those in the mainstream media so they can disseminate it.  Someone has to push this like Aruba!  Please don't forget the European and Asian media - most major publications have a presence online, and are printed in English.

    As for a pattern - I just heard from a friend in Chicago who told me Mayor Daley is having kittens because he was refused entrance into NO by Homeland Security.  He had arraigned for trucks carting gasoline - lots and lots and lots of gasoline - enough to help those stranded to get the hell out of Dodge; but was told to go get bent.  Evidently he eviscerated Bush, Brown, Chertoff and the horse they rode in on.

    Man - you really earned your place in heaven with this one.  I have added the Red Cross link to my blog.

    The Fat Lady Sings

    •  I emailed it to Olbermann. (none)

      I don't have much faith in the rest of the corporate media.

      Life is like this analogy...

      by shock on Fri Sep 02, 2005 at 11:48:38 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Don't stop there (4.00)
        Olbermann isn't even close to the only person hammering bush like a fucking 2x4 to the face right now on the tv news channels.

        SEND THIS STORY TO ALL OF THE FOLLOWING PEOPLE WHO ARE LIKELY TO LOOK INTO IT AND GET ANSWERS

        Email Shepard Smith and Geraldo Rivera - FNC.   Good lord just watch the video.   They cannot answer the question that you have the answer to.   EMAIL THEM IMMEDIATELY.  Their producers will undoubtedly look into it if they are trying to answer the same questions those two are.

        and then

        Email Jack Cafferty - CNN "I'm embarassed"....email him.

        and then

        Email Paula Zahn - msnbc...she's the one who was in shock that Brown didnt know what we all knew 24 hours beforehand....the convention center is full of refugees starving and dehydrated.

        and then

        Email Ted Koppel - ABC (one of the few good ones left)....Koppel took Brown to the fuckin mat.  I'll lay down money that Brown is never on Nightline again after that trouncing.

        They are hammering Bush.   Sorry I don't have the sobriety at the moment to look up email addies for them but I had that page opened from a bit ago and I'm sure, given the outrage each of them have expressed in a big way on the 3 news networks, they would be very good ones to contact with this information.  I hope you do.

        George W. Bush, Resign NOW.

        by tlh lib on Sat Sep 03, 2005 at 12:28:36 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  Speaking Truth to Power (none)
    And asking questions and disseminating what happened.

    You did good.

  •  absolutely insane (4.00)
    In a foreign country they immediately air drop supplies.

    Yet to date, there is no air drop of supplies.

    They can go to Iraq, where snipers are everywhere, yet one in the US means all aid to families is stopped.
    They stopped the CA rescue teams.

    Is anyone tallying up the number of times they have stopped aid?

    At this point the story is so massive I need an overview.

    http://www.noslaves.com http://forum.noslaves.com

    by Robert Oak on Fri Sep 02, 2005 at 11:44:12 PM PDT

    •  And why would Republicans (4.00)
      stop aid to areas where real estate was suddendly up for grabs after defaults on loans in an area where 1 in 5 don't have flood insurance?

      Hmmm... there's a head scratcher.

      U.S. blue collar worker vs. CEO income in 1992 was 1:80; in 1998 it was 1:420.

      by Lode Runner on Fri Sep 02, 2005 at 11:58:02 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  Faith based aid (none)
      Every GOP talking head has ended his interview pointing out a faith based organizations contribution.  Always say churches and other faith based organizations too.  Have heard it many times all day.

      Maybe they are setting up these organizations to be the heros, but they are a little slow arriving.  They can't let others get in there first or they lose the story.  Mike Brown could set up something that stupid.

      •  MRE's from heaven? (4.00)
        What should have happened in Ft Rucker, Ft Hood, Ft Benning, etc, is this:

        1 take a rubber life raft
        2 2 cases of MRE's
        5 5 gallons of water

        Tie them together and attach a BRIGHT ORANGE GLOW IN THE DARK BUOY.

        Put them on airplanes and helicopters.

        Repeat 75,000 times.

        As the storm passes, evaluate where to send them.

        Send some to NO, some to Biloxi, send some to Florida as required.

        This ain't rocket science.

  •  Something I don't understand (4.00)
    Why is everyone being funneled solely into Texas?  Texas is struggling to meet the public school needs of its own citizenry.  This one issue currently prevents Governor "Goodhair" Perry from being considered Presidential material.  How much money will the Lone Star State receive for helping the displaced?  Could these funds be used to help prop up the state's school finances, making Perry out to be the success he isn't?

    (I know, it sounds tinfoil but the thought of Perry having higher aspirations is not so far fetched once you realize he grew up in the shadow of a bush.  Worse yet, he's another Rove protege.)  

    •  I also think that there is lots of money (none)
      to be had by Perry and others involved in the TX state Ed. State pockets lined with federal money while we ask "Is our childern learning?"

      If the state of TX will fake test scores and graduation rates, promote kids two grades ahead so they won't have to take the state test, what do you think they are going to do with the children?

      No tinfoil required here!

    •  It's close (none)
      They weren't hit. MS and AL were. TX is on the border with LA, and it wasn't. The roads to there are intact.

      I understand why they're taking people there. Just about every place is willing to take people. But they do have to go someplace to get cleaned up, new clothes, fed, etc. first.

  •  Bravo Shock for perseverance and diary (none)
    I picked up on your story and linked to diary @ BooMan with breaking news items I'll share ::

    KYW's David Madden  -Newsradio 1060- Red Cross Barred from NOLA  

    Homeland Security won't let Red Cross deliver food

    Field Hospital NOLA Airport - 800 patients /hr
    Set up by FEMA, field hospital was overwhelmed with patients. Equipment normally used to move luggage was instead ferrying patients to a treatment center and to planes and buses for evacuation.

    Ozro Henderson, a medical team commander with FEMA, said staff was "so overwhelmed, it's not funny. I do not have the words in my vocabulary to describe what is happening here. Catastrophe and disaster don't explain it."

    #


    Evelyn Turner cries alongside the body of her common-law husband, Xavier Bowie, after he died in New Orleans. Bowie and Turner had decided to ride out Hurricane Katrina when they could not find a way to leave the city. Bowie, who had lung cancer, died when he ran out of oxygen Tuesday afternoon. AP Photo/Eric Gay

  • Breaking - NG | DHS Orders :: Red Cross Not Allowed In NOLA ◊ By Oui @BooMan

    ~~~

  •  If the same sort of thing happened in the UK... (4.00)
    ...Glasogow London, Birmingham, Portsmouth,Liverpool, Southhampton etc god forbid, There would have been 50,000 soldiers and police turn up to deliver supplies and evacuate the city with a day. All international assistance would have been welcomed. It seriously looks to me like the authorities are trying to kill people.  
  •  this doesn't make any sense! (4.00)
    You don't want to bring aid in because that will encourage people not to leave??? What the hell? Oh yeah, I can imagine some poor family coming down off the roof of their apartment building for the first time in 4 days, getting to the Convention Center, and finding a few bottles of water and some MREs. "Oh, goody--Poland Spring and beef jerky!! I'm never leaving this sidewalk again. I'll gladly stand up to my waist in contaminated water for the rest of my days--thank you George W. Bush! Could someone please point me to the nearest clogged toilet?"

    For God's sake, there's not a single person in that city that doesn't want to get the hell out of there! Giving them food and water while they wait is not going to change that.

     

    "I don't believe in God, so I can't be saved..."--Mess, Ben Folds Five

    by still small voice on Sat Sep 03, 2005 at 04:23:28 AM PDT

  •  Forget Rebuilding New Orleans (let me finish) (4.00)
    This is now about rebuilding the Republic.

    The trust that citizens and Americans are supposed to have in one another when disaster strikes, a trust that was honored for New York after 9/11, has been mortally wounded.

    With every passing day, it's like watching a civilization die.

    Many people think the flood can't get them, but it's not a flood of water that's killing NOLA.

    It's a flood of deadly unconcern for one's own countrymen, a refusal on the part of many -- and far too many in positions of power -- to exert themselves on behalf of other Americans in their darkest hour.

    People remember this sort of thing.

    New Yorkers remembered the outpouring of aid and support.

    What will New Orleaners remember?

    And by extension, how can we the people of the United States of America maintain our more perfect union?

    Our domestic tranquility?

    Our general welfare?

    Our common defense?

    We are walking through the phrases of the Preamble to the Constitution with a scythe.

    Simply put, "we" are fast becoming an erstwhile "we". When "we" cannot trust one another to be there for us, first in the form of our elected goverment, when resources placed in common trust are used to bankrool fundraisers for the president and leave the little people to drown, what "we" remains?

    When many of our so-called friends and neighbors and fellow Americans openly debate whether life or property is more sacred in the context of shooting looters, when entire categories of Americans are written off as unworthy of assistance, when even in the 21st century being dressed in the right skin tone gets you to the front of the bus, what "we" remains?

    These are powerful, incredibly dangerous images and anecdotes.

    The beauty of it is that redemption and atonement and forgiveness are possible.

    The horror is that nothing of the sort is being solicited, that in fact the reasons for requiring penance are multiplying.

    This is no longer about rebuilding a city.

    This is about rebuilding trust in the Republic.

    This is now about rebuilding the Republic.

    It's only Nero-esque if the city is burning. :)

    by cskendrick on Sat Sep 03, 2005 at 04:39:44 AM PDT

  •  This should be sent to (4.00)
    Jon Stewart of Comedy Central (I kid you not ... I don't think he's going to be a fake newsman for about two more weeks after he returns)

    Keith Olbermann

    Jack Cafferty

    Ted Koppel

    Larry King (Again, I sh*t you not ... he's doing a whole thing tonight on how you can help)

    Paula Zahn

    The 360 show with Anderson Cooper

    Aaron Brown

    The BBC

    Le Monde

    CBC (canadians)

    Univision

    Ron Reagan (He still does that show in the middle of the day, and reliably uses his father as a comparison to Bush ... tweaking it a bit of course to make his dad look more liberal)

    Does anyone have these addresses?  Some are in an above email.  We should get the rest.

  •  DHS doesn't even take care of their own? (4.00)
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/02/AR2005090202273.html

    In a WaPo front page on-line article, it features a woman named Adrienne Picou...

    This is a quote:

    "Picou, who works for the U.S. Department of Agriculture, stared warily at the looming Convention Center, a quarter-mile away. She could not go back. Inside, there was darkness, filth and debilitating rumors that help was on the way. The buses were always on the way.

    "They told us, 'push back all the chairs and the buses will be here,' or, 'everyone get in line and the buses will be here,' " Picou said. "They never came. We were like animals. Some buses came, but they were for the Hilton evacuees."

    ***

    The US Dept of Ag was realigned to come under the new US Dept of Homeland Security.

  •  I've been thinking about (4.00)
    how after 9/11 there was a rush by the government to set up a fund for the victims. The government payouts to the families were staggering. How much you wanna bet that some poor kid in New Orleans whose father drowned won't see a dime. When white collar analysts die the feds give their families millions, when poor people die they might give their families a bottle of water and a blanket....if they're lucky.
  •  Great job investigating! (none)
    You deserve a Daily Kos Pulitzer Prize!

    "If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy." - James Madison

    by chicagovigilante on Sat Sep 03, 2005 at 08:20:34 AM PDT

  •  I am sure it is for our own good (none)
    the safety of the Red Cross is at stake what with all the guns stolen from Wal-Mart and all the scary black people there.

    Military State/Civil Unrest

    inspire change...don't back down

    by missliberties on Sat Sep 03, 2005 at 08:41:51 AM PDT

  •  Just visited the DHS Homepage (none)
    The Red Cross is not on their donation list.

    They want you to send the money to them? I don't think so.

    And of course there are hundreds of evangelical sites that will take your money.

    But the rapture is coming in just a few minutes.

    inspire change...don't back down

    by missliberties on Sat Sep 03, 2005 at 08:48:15 AM PDT

  •  SHOOT EVERYTHING THAT MOVES (none)
    --I'm assuming this, or something damn close to it, is the order being given to the armed folks being sent into the French Quarter.

    Under the circumstances, they don't want anyone in the way.  Certainly nobody who might talk.

  •  Ethnic Cleansing? (4.00)
    Think of it, an entire region wiped clean of construction and people, a region with access to the OCEAN (something all rich people love).  They get everyone out and then they can do a massive "redevelopment" land grab.

    I can hear it all now.  "This region is unsuited for housing because of the flood risk and the US government can no longer provide flood insurance so we are no longer allowing FHA, VA, or any other public funding of construction or mortgages"

    Gee, I wonder who could still afford to build?  Hmmmm....

  •  Why would anyone want to leave? (4.00)
    I personally would love the opportunity to stand knee-deep in my own feces. As long as I've got water and pre-packaged food, I'm happy.
  •  IG Ervin: DHS "dysfunctional". (none)
    Ex-official tells of Homeland Security failures: The government agency responsible for protecting the nation against terrorist attack is a dysfunctional, poorly managed bureaucracy that has failed to plug serious holes in the nation's safety net, the Department of Homeland Security's former internal watchdog warns.
  •  Thank you (none)
    Thank you so much for pursuing this...

    and for those who have forwarded to those MSM outlets that are demonstrating some awareness of what's really going on.

    Think that Faux news would cover it?

  •  No Red Cross? RightMarch is Happy..... (none)
    This will surely please the christo-fascists at RightMarch. Here's quote from their mailing-list e-letter:

    The Red Cross even has a "Chief Diversity Officer" who saw to it that Hartman was FIRED when he politely, but firmly, objected to "celebrating" this "diversity." What the heck is a "Chief Diversity Officer"???

    Is this the type of organization you want to give YOUR hard-earned dollars to? I won't -- especially when there are other groups that are desperate for our help, who are there on the ground giving relief AND God's love to all who need
    it.

    I know, there are a number of excellent Christian groups out there who are worthy of our support, and if you already have one in mind, PLEASE GIVE. My money is going to the Air Land Emergency Resource Team (ALERT). If the Lord is leading you to support ALERT's efforts, click below to make your

    Mycos
    The Great Deceiver

    Gary Williams Prohibition Funds Terrorism

    by Mycos on Sat Sep 03, 2005 at 10:59:05 AM PDT

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