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While the busy and talented beavers start work on the dKosopedia for Hurricane Katrina, C&J has started an informal Katrina-related reference guide that we've tentatively titled: The Hall of Shame.  A cesspool of verbal ignorance and callousness that simply cannot be allowed to fade into obscurity.  And guess which side of the political spectrum it comes from?

Enter the Hall of Shame at your own risk.

This is also your C&J thread...

The Hurricane Katrina Hall of Shame...

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"Hurricane Katrina vanden Heuvel!"
--Rush Limbaugh (Late August)

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"The destruction from [The Nation editor] Katrina vanden Heuvel is expected to be massive.... The poor and disabled are particularly likely to suffer from the effects of Katrina vanden Heuvel... Coming up: How to explain Katrina vanden Heuvel to your children..."
--National Review Editor Jonah Goldberg (8/30/05)

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A young [black] man walks through chest deep floodwater after looting a grocery store in New Orleans...

Two [white] residents wade through chest-deep water after finding bread and soda from a local grocery store after Hurricane Katrina came through the area in New Orleans...

Captions at Yahoo News (8/30/05)

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Baseball Hall of Famer Dave Winfield wasn't the only VIP who joined Padres President John Moores in the owner's box last night at Petco Park. Secretary of Defense Donald H. Rumsfeld, here to join President Bush at the North Island Naval Air Station today, took in the game, too.
--Copy in the San Diego Union-Tribune (8/30/05)

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"It makes no sense to spend billions of dollars to rebuild a city that's seven feet under sea level....It looks like a lot of that place could be bulldozed."
--House Speaker Dennis Hastert (8/31/05)

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"I don't think anybody anticipated the breach of the levees."
--President Bush (9/1/05)

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"The federal government did not even know about the convention center people until today."
--FEMA director Michael Brown (9/1/05)

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"I have not heard a report of thousands of people in the convention center who don't have food and water."
--Homeland Security chief Michael Chertoff (9/1/05)

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HALLIBURTON GETS KATRINA CONTRACT
--Headline (9/1/05)

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"Last night, we showed you the full force of a superpower government going to the rescue."
--Chris Matthews on MSNBC (9/1/05)

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"Elimination of the death tax would be a victory for fairness and job creation. Working together, we can help eliminate the burden of the death tax once and for all."
--Mass email from RNC Chair Ken Mehlman (9/1/05)

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"You simply get chills every time you see these poor individuals...many of these people, almost all of them that we see are so poor and they are so black..."
--Wolf Blitzer, CNN (9/1/05)

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"Brownie, you're doing a heck of a job."
--President Bush (9/2/05)

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Out of the rubbles (sic) of Trent Lott's house---he's lost his entire house---there's going to be a fantastic house. And I'm looking forward to sitting on the porch."
--George W. Bush (9/2/05)

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"The City of New Orleans and its residents owe the President a profound debt of gratitude."
--John Hinderaker, Powerline blog (9/2/05)

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"There's trucks?"
--President Bush (9/2/05)

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"...it was my belief, I'm trying to think of a better word than typical--that minimizes, any hurricane is bad--but we had the standard hurricane coming in here..."
--FEMA director Michael Brown (9/3/05)

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"Louisiana is a city that is largely underwater..."
--Homeland Security Chief Michael Chertoff (9/3/05)

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"Days before Katrina nearly wiped New Orleans off the map, 9,000 Jewish residents of Gaza were driven from their homes with the full support of the United States government. Could this be a playing out of prophesy?"
--Rick Scarborough (9/4/05)

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"I remember on Tuesday morning picking up newspapers and I saw headlines, 'New Orleans Dodged The Bullet.'"
--Chertoff (9/4/05)

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 "When Air Force One dipped below the clouds on Tuesday so the president could peer out the window down at the disaster, the image was uncomfortably imperial."
--Newsweek (9/4/05).  The president didn't fly over the area until Wednesday.

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"...but the media has a fascination with the blame game and instead of looking for what can we do to help now there's a lot of why didn't we do something different?"
--George H.W. Bush (9/5/05)

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"What I'm hearing which is sort of scary is that they all want to stay in Texas. Everybody is so overwhelmed by the hospitality.  And so many of the people in the arena here, you know, were underprivileged anyway so this...this is working very well for them."
--Barbara Bush (9/5/05)

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"I dropped a twenty in the bucket."
--Millionaire Jeb Bush, speaking from the broadcast booth on a collection for hurricane relief at the Miami-Florida State game. (9/5/05)

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"Bureaucracy is not going to stand in the way of getting the job done for the people."
--President Bush (9/6/05)

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"Americans don't sleep in tents."
--Unnamed FEMA official, responding to the head of the Hurricane Center of Louisiana State University who was trying to urge FEMA to set up tent cities in other states to handle the hundreds of thousands of Katrina survivors.  The story was told by Tim Russert on `Imus in the Morning' (9/6/05)

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"Louisiana's Senator Landrieu announced on network television, "I might likely have to punch him, literally."  And my question, since "him" is the President, and both punching and threatening to punch the President is a felony, has her qualifying words `might likely' saved her from arrest and prosecution?"
--Unknown reporter to White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan (9/6/05)

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"I understand there are 10,000 people dead. It's terrible. It's tragic. But in a democracy of 300 million people, over years and years and years, these things happen."
--GOP strategist Jack Burkman defending Bush (9/6/05)

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"We really don't have time to play the political game right now."
White House Counselor Dan Bartlett (9/6/05)

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Reporter:  Just to get you on the record, where does the buck stop in this administration?
Scott McClellan: The President.
White House press briefing (9/6/05)

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To be continued...sadly.

Originally posted to Daily Kos on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 05:44 AM PDT.

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  •  Might want to add (3.53)
    Ralph Nader saying there's no difference between Bush and Gore.  I think there are a lot of people in New Orleans who would beg to differ.  And that, I think, is a place where the Greens do deserve to make the Katrina Hall of Shame.  

    (sorry, whenever someone brings up the greens as the antithesis of Bush, I can't help but remind them that the greens told a big lie that helped land Bush in the White House)

    •  I have to say... (3.90)
      I didn't need Nader to tell me that at the time, I thought the same thing. Of course, in retrospect, I was very wrong. However, it's a lot easier to see it in 2005 (or even 2002/2003) than it was in 2000. 20/20 hindsight and all that.
      •  Can't believe anybody bought that line (4.00)
        How could anybody have looked at and listened to Bush and thought he'd be the same as Gore?  His utter stupidity alone was enough to differentiate him.  
        •  as a recovered Naderite, (4.00)
          I must say that it was never a question of Bush and Gore be exactly alike, but that neither were articulating a vision of the world I saw.  Also I always assumed Gore would win easily in 2000 as a sitting vice president of a popular presidency.  When the race was tight leading up to the election I did end up voting for Gore.

          "I have no country to fight for: my country is the earth, and I am a citizen of the world." - Eugene V. Debs

          by NeilDB on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 07:53:40 AM PDT

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      •  i suspect Nader was simply too specific (4.00)
        and i HATE that bu$h might have won as a result.  but Nader's right in the broader sense, that it's not just Repubs that whore our representation to the highest-bidders.  

        do you think it's simply for fun that 183,000 firms must register as lobbyists?!  and that's pretty much the extent of their restriction beyond filing requirements as to what body they lobbied.

        the obscenity of Halliburton getting the Katrina cleanup contract is unspeakable.  but it's only after $hrub stole the first election that HAL was able to cut their lobbying expenditures to a quarter of what they were, pre-2000, since the big Dick was part of the admin.

        i'm with Nader 100% when it comes to getting our leadership out of the pocket of big money:

        Who do lobbyists lobby?


        • U.S. House of Representatives - 17,300 companies

        • U.S. Senate - 17,200 companies

        • Dept. of Defense - 2,800 companies

        • Health & Human Services - 2,400 companies

        • Dept. of Commerce - 2,300 companies

        • Dept. of Treasury - 2,300 companies

        • Dept. of Transportation - 2,200 companies

        • Executive Office of the Pres. - 2,000 companies

        • White House Office - 1,900 companies

        • Dept. of Agriculture - 1,800 companies


        What are the top issues lobbied?

        • Federal budget and appropriations - 6,800 companies

        • Health issues - 4,100 companies

        • Defense - 3,700 companies

        • Taxation & Internal Revenue Code - 3,500 companies

        • Transportation - 3,300 companies


        Where does the money for lobbying come from?

        • companies (as clients);

        • member dues;

        • tax dollars;

        • and foreign governments.

        get the money out of our power!  it's the unfettered access of big money to power that likely explains why semi-privatized FEMA is so fucked up.

    •  Nader does not represent Greens (4.00)
      So should I tar all Dems with the slimy, Bush-kissing Lieberman?  I'm a Green Party supporter who has no use for the self-serving Nader.  Plenty of realistic Greens voted for Gore over the scum Bush in 2000.  But when there is a choice between a good Green candidate and a slimy DINO like Lieberman, the Green will always get my vote.

      Green Party:  
      against the war
      Favors impeaching Bush and Cheney

      Check it out:  http://www.gp.org/

      •  Sorry, Nader or not... (4.00)
        that's not allowed. The Greens are permanently screwed, barring a run-off system that the Democratic party would fight as hard if not harder than the Republicans. The Dem.s will continue to nominate "centrists" whom are to the right of a 1970s moderate "R" the Republicans nominate a maniac, and the Greens are once again the "bad guys" in a close race.

        "Quoting: The act of repeating erroneously the words of another..." Robert Benchley

        by greeseyparrot on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 08:23:18 AM PDT

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        •  Greens can start locally (none)
          Maybe the Greens can win some more local elections, then get a few members of congress.  Sure, they could team with the Dems to elect the speaker and things, but they would still represent and independent voice.  Bernie Sanders has been elected many times without being a Dem.
    •  this is exactly right (4.00)
      this is why voting for a president is not JUST voting for a president
      you are voting for:
      EPA
      FEMA
      People in charge of all the Cabinet positions
      Army Corp of Engineers
      Sect Defense
      Homeland Security and on and on and on

      when  you vote for a president, you vote for thousands of other people that run the damn gov't.

      Unfortunately, the majority in this country voted for a entire ship of fucking fools.

      email: tlawkos@yahoo.com

      by tlaw on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 05:54:53 AM PDT

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    •  Seconded! (3.81)
      It hasn't only been Goebbels and Rove who have told Big Lies.  Ralph W. Nader's "there's no difference" line may be the biggest and most lethal Big Lie of them all.
    •  Make sure to hang that around Nader's neck. (4.00)
      And not his former supporters.

      People learn.

      Sometimes the jokes write themselves. Sometimes they run for President.

      by Sixfortyfive on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 06:01:24 AM PDT

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      •  Nader must be a paid Republican agent (3.50)
        I know he gets support from the same South Carolina textile magnate who supports Pat Buchanan. Maybe if you dig deeply enough he's really just one of Karl Rove's assistants.
        •  Spectacular accomplishment (4.00)
          That may be the most vile thing I have ever read at this site. A man that has dedicated his entire life to improving the lot of the powerless, to trying to get the corporatist boot of our necks and trying to make America live up to its promise and potential. I am the first to admit that his campaign to wake the citizenry up to the dangers of a two party duopoly had an utimately disatourous (though certainly unintended) outcome in 2000, but to impugn him and his motives as you have done sickens me. I challenge you to give 1/100 as much effort during your time here on earth, to improving the lives of humankind.  

          "Quoting: The act of repeating erroneously the words of another..." Robert Benchley

          by greeseyparrot on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 09:06:00 AM PDT

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          •  I basically agree with you (4.00)
            but remember that at the end, after he'd ditched the Green Party, Nader did take Republican donor money, almost certainly knowingly, to pay for his ballot-access campaigns, specifically in Oregon and maybe other places too.  Just like Sharpton ran in 2003 with Republican money and managers.

            Not to necessarily blame any of them.  I would fund Roy Moore in a heartbeat, and I expect that he would take my money too if he thought it served his purposes.  But actually, for someone who makes such a stink about clean money, Nader taking Republican millionaire money is pretty ironic.

          •  I didn't give us Dubya (none)
            Seatbelts have saved a lot of lives, and so have many of Nader's other accomplishments. But his 2 presidential runs were truly evil. I am proud to be hated by any resident of Florida who voted for Nader in 2000.
    •  Here we go again! (4.00)
      Blame the other guy! So Bush is right!
      No responsibilty for one's losses!
      Then Nader is ABSOLUTELY RIGHT, there is NO difference between Democrats and Republicans. The statement above shows we have NO future. The blame game goes on and America goes down. Pitiful but not surprising considering the loss of spine by the Democratic Party. Many Democrats voted for Reagan, in fact they loved him. Many Democrats thought George Bush was doing a good job, the polls told us. Thank GOD we have Ralph to hide the lack of courage of the Democrats. The EMPERORS have no clothes, and then Howard came along. Go Dean Go!

      The best way to prove the DLC is out of touch is to build a vibrant Progressive movement

      by oratorio on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 06:12:32 AM PDT

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      •  In the interest of world peace... (4.00)
        -

        I've deleted the reference to the Greens.

        Whew...

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        •  Thank you, Nader is not Green Party (4.00)
          The first comment tied the Greens to Nader just because he used them to his own ends in 2000.  Nader turned out to be all about Ralph, he could not see how badly his "there's no difference" line would come back to haunt him.  Too bad the scum Rehnquist was still alive to select the president in 2000.

          Rehnquist- the man responsible for the Bush disaster

          •  Not really Rehnquist (4.00)
            although he was an accessory before and after the fact.  The main criminals on the SCOTUS were two of the nominally moderate conservatives, Kennedy and O'Connor.  Kennedy because he agitated the justices so hard to hear the case, and both Kennedy and O'Connor because they tried to pretend that they were on the fence when they had both made their minds up to put Bush in office no matter what the legalities of the case.

            You know, fuck all that "accessory" shit.  All five are equally guilty, and all five should be fed to the crocodiles, one limb at a time.

        •  Thanks (none)
          I, too, had no idea my comment would generate 14 responses.  I think that's a testament to the appeal of your diaries (so many people reading them) and the random luck that I must have been the first to read it and reply.  

          But, as you can see, there are still a lot of festering wounds here as a result of Nader's big lie and, given that he's been the standard bearer for the Greens two elections in a row, offhand comments that paint the Greens as the antithesis of Bush (or, to the contrary, that paint them as his accomplices) are bound to open those wounds.

          Thanks again.

          •  Green Party 2004: David Cobb (none)
            As they say here, google is your friend.  And don't forget that David Cobb has challenged the Ohio Election Fraud, something that Kerry couldn't bother to do.

            Nader ran on some other party in 2004, please check your facts before posting.

            Impeach Bush- end the incompetence

      •  Yeah, we sound like Them (4.00)
        Nope. Not OUR fault.  Nader's fault.  That's right.  It was them Greenies.  Not our fault.

        Insert 'Clinton' for 'Nader' and 'Libruls' for 'Greenies' and read it again.  Sound familiar?

        Stop living in the past already!

      •  Ralph (4.00)
        I don't blame him for running.  It's anyone's right to do so.  It's up to us to use our votes wisely.  In retrospect, a vote for Nader in 2000 in the states of Florida, Ohio, Missouri, or any other swing state was a mistake.  People make mistakes.

        I don't even blame people for voting for him.  He's a smart, canny guy with a lot of good things to say.  I can blame them today, however, if they can look back on that time and say they would make that same choice now.  And if Ralph Nader can look in the mirror today and think there is "no difference" between the Republican and Democratic parties, he is dillusional.  Is America is better off for G.W. Bush taking office in January, 2001?  Only in a fun house mirror.  Strike that -- a house of horrors mirror.

        No difference?  Tell that to the people who just spent a week in the squalor of the Superdome and now can't find the rest of their families.  Tell it to your daughter when she has no reproductive choices when the Supreme Court strikes down Roe v. Wade sometime in the next ten years.  Tell it to poor and middle class patients in the emergency room when they have no health care.  Tell it to college students who have to drop out because tax cuts for the rich have made their tuition so expensive they can't attend college anymore.

        To Nader supporters who have figured that out and entered or returned to the larger tent I say, "Welcome home."  But please be aware that big tents are uncomfortable places to be.  There are a lot of people in them who don't always act the way we would like them to act and don't see things as we think they should be.  But leaving the tent isn't the way to fix anything.  It just leaves bigger holes in it.

        80W-71S
        The most un-American thing you can say is, "You can't say that." -G. Keillor

        by Eddie Haskell on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 06:48:28 AM PDT

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        •  Most interesting! (3.60)
          You are using the Republican expression: the big tent.
          The Democrats have been so hypnotized by the Rove Pavlovian Brain washing Technics, they cannot even find a language of their own. Lest you get hurt again, remember Hilary Clinton spent 50 million dollars to get elected. Where did she get that money? Ask Nader.

          The best way to prove the DLC is out of touch is to build a vibrant Progressive movement

          by oratorio on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 07:03:07 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  Eh? (4.00)
            I didn't realize the term was copyrighted.  

            I first heard it uttered by Hubert Humphrey to a very divided Democratic Party after its 1968 national convention in Chicago.

            If you wish to equate me with a Republican, please come pay me a visit.  We Missourians enjoy elaborating on what "Show Me" really means.

            80W-71S
            The most un-American thing you can say is, "You can't say that." -G. Keillor

            by Eddie Haskell on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 07:34:32 AM PDT

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            •  Just pointing out... (4.00)
              ...the obvious. Of course I do not equate you with a Republican, but it would be a fatal mistake to think that the failed leadership of the Democratic Party will deliver the goods we desperately need.
              Clinton did NOT. Where is the National Health insurance? We have been sodomized one too many times.

              The best way to prove the DLC is out of touch is to build a vibrant Progressive movement

              by oratorio on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 09:17:53 AM PDT

              [ Parent ]

        •  missouri (4.00)
          was not a swing state in 2000. it was easily for Bush, which is why I voted Nader and would still do so.

          but let me be blunt. the ENTIRE GOVERNMENT failed the people of LA, AL & MS, not just Bush and the Republicans. How did the FEMA and DHS heads get confirmed? With Dems going right along. How did funding get cut for FEMA and the Army Corps of Engineers? With Dems going right along. Pardon me if I fail to see the difference.

          Instead, I think this whole thing proves Nader exactly right that our government is completely broken. It is so beholden to corporate interests that they, in fact, often write the laws that are supposed to govern them. This hasn't happened in a vacuum, with the Dems knowing nothing of it. No, they've played the money game just as much as the Repubs (though to a less successful degree since they aren't automatically the party of the fat cats).

          We need to fix the whole damn government, not just get rid of Bush.

          •  Oy (4.00)
            the ENTIRE GOVERNMENT failed the people of LA, AL & MS, not just Bush and the Republicans. How did the FEMA and DHS heads get confirmed? With Dems going right along. How did funding get cut for FEMA and the Army Corps of Engineers? With Dems going right along. Pardon me if I fail to see the difference
            Do you expect anyone to believe that these things would have happened under a Gore administration?  That environmental rape, the war in Iraq, Michael Brown running FEMA, judicial attacks on the right to choose and tax cuts earmarked specifically for the wealthiest 5%, and the so-called "patriot act" would have been passed under his administration?  Pardon me if I see your failure to see a difference as delusional.

            We need to fix the whole damn government...
            I agree with this statement.  Explain to me how this is easier under a Bush administration.  Meanwile, Nader's Raiders have done a bang up job of it.  In which century do you propose this should happen?  Keep voting for Ralph and helping to insure the Republicans keep getting elected.  That'll do the trick, allright.

            I voted Nader and would still do so.
            Doh.  I need a Duff's.  Meanwhile, call me after a generation of decisions by the worst Supreme Court in over a century and we'll revisit this discussion.

            80W-71S
            The most un-American thing you can say is, "You can't say that." -G. Keillor

            by Eddie Haskell on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 11:17:20 AM PDT

            [ Parent ]

            •  F-U (none)
              Gore still won in 2000 without my vote, so get over yourself.
              •  Now, there's a helpful response. (none)
                But at least telling me to get fucked is a lot better than telling me you actually believe Democrats and Republicans are the same and that all those things would not have been different under a Gore (or Kerry, for that matter) administration.  It's good we got that part cleared up.  Now, about Gore "winning."  Yes, he did get more votes nationally than did Bush.  But he didn't exactly win, in the end.  A few hundred votes that went to Nader in Florida would have done the trick, though.  Then we could all be busy righteously calling for reform in the ruling Democratic Party about now, instead of watching our freedoms eroding wholesale before our eyes.

                80W-71S
                The most un-American thing you can say is, "You can't say that." -G. Keillor

                by Eddie Haskell on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 07:42:01 PM PDT

                [ Parent ]

    •  Huh? (4.00)
      Terrible comment.  Where did this come from?  Why is this the first comment of this diary?  Who brought up the Greens?  Awful and unproductive comment.  

      [cue video of Gephardt and Lieberman at the Rose Garden, signing onto the Iraq War, those spineless....]

      "It's not that I'm lazy... it's that I just don't care..."

      by npb7768 on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 06:40:42 AM PDT

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      •  My "fault..." (4.00)

        In my intro, after "And guess which side of the political spectrum it comes from?", I wrote "(Hint: It ain't the Greens)."

        I was surprised that that little parenthetical aside generated such heat...so I removed it.

        ...and tiptoed away very quietly.

        •  Appreciate (4.00)
          the removal.  People on this site need to settle on the reason for Bush's wins.  Is it corruption in the vote counting process?  Swiftboating?  Or is it that Democrats run such unattractive candidates that people feel drawn to third parties?  In 2000, when it became evident that Nader had drawing power, what did the Democrats do?  Modify their positions?  Listen to the people who were supporting Nader?  Noooo.  They smeared him in true Rovian style.  Nothing we can be proud of.

          Finally, I have seen no evidence that the election would have turned out differently if Nader hadn't run.  Let's quote one of the Supremes or K. Harris, if we want to bring in shame for Bush's appointment to the presidency.

          •  Just one mo' (4.00)
            Bush didn't "win" fucking anything. He was appointed the first time &, though we sanely recognize nobody will ever be able to prove it, he stole '04.

            Oh, I feel a rant coming on. But don't want to aim it at you; you don't deserve it, dear C&Jer. So mebbe I'll take myself off to the end of the line and post it there.

            cheers to you. Jeers to rehashing naderisms. Keep moving, folks, nothing to see there (unless...umm.. anybody feels like checking out Meteor Blades' diary about Eco-NO

    •  This tragedy (4.00)
      points out one glaring reality -- there is an infintesimally small margin of error, even in such modern times, on which to rest any assumptions.  Everyday, workaday people let their guard down and the power-hungry stormed the perimeter, seizing what they've always prized.  Nader, a person masquerading as an anti-corporate watchdog, knew the difference.  He has been supposedly fighting against these hordes for decades.  This blow further alienates citizens from the political process, and it is Nader's biggest crime IMHO.

      This also exposes the divide between the philosophically-challenged and those who dare to govern (which IS people, who work with people, for the good of many).  Dems, progressives and moderate (sane) Repubs have got to storm this void pretty soon, or, like the City of New Orleans, this noble exercise called Democracy will be rendered unrecognizable.

    •  Nader had (4.00)
      thousands of gallons of blood on his hands.

      "Big Easy, my ass! It's not easy, it's hard!" - George W. Bush - The Disaster President!

      by kitebro on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 07:04:24 AM PDT

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      •  One sentence (4.00)
        and I couldn't type it right! AAAAARRRRGGGGHHH! "has blood on his hands". I'm sure that that will be my last typo!

        "Big Easy, my ass! It's not easy, it's hard!" - George W. Bush - The Disaster President!

        by kitebro on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 07:07:54 AM PDT

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        •  No, he has blood on his ego. (4.00)
          Weather forecast: endless blame-storming.  

          The Republicans had, have, and will have blood on their hands.

          Nader was right: just about all politicians have cashed a fat cat's check, so financially speaking, there's some parity between career Democrats and Republicans. It's kind of what politicians do, and yep, he's no different, he took Republican money.

          The difference is that Republican administrations tend to rack up bodycounts, and that information wasn't secret in 2000. The Contras, El Salvador, Panama, the Gulf war ... wind back the clock to 1953.

          When Republicans get in office, people die, all over the world. It's pretty simple. And this administration is holding its end up quite rigorously.

          And no one was lulled more by peace and prosperity than us. So a lot of us conveniently forgot the Republican death equation, and Nader conveniently didn't bring it up.

          But pretty much all of us bear some responsibility for not trying hard enough to stop Bush in 2000.

          It's the Stupidity, Stupid!

          by Q Dog on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 09:13:22 AM PDT

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          •  You're right. (4.00)
            We all screwed up. Just because Nader played a major role doesn't mean that we didn't. But, Nader syphoned off enough votes in FL to allow Bush to steal it in 2000.

            "Big Easy, my ass! It's not easy, it's hard!" - George W. Bush - The Disaster President!

            by kitebro on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 10:25:14 AM PDT

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          •  Not just Republicans... (4.00)
            Every administration since WWII except Carter and Clinton has had a significant body count under their watch.  We on the left often gloss over the Kennedy & Johnson quagmires on the way to shedding light on Republican administrations' warmongering.  We mustn't do that.  Historical dishonesty belongs on the right, and in the pages of Orwell, whom I must say Karl must have read very closely in his youth.  
    •  Sorry, but Nader wasn't behind NAFTA (4.00)
      which devastated my local economy. Bill Clinton and his administration was. As shitty as Bush is, and he's the shittiest I've ever seen, if the Dems run someone like Biden (who was a big time cheerleader for the Bankruptcy Bill, perhaps the most odious piece of legislation ever thrust upon the poor and working people of this nation) I will not be voting for a Democrat. No way, no how. Having said all that, Gore for the most part shared my values. I wish he would have been more forceful in expressing them and he might have received more support from the people who ultimately went to Nader. When a candidate cannot even win his own home state he's got bigger problems than Nader. Basically Gore AND Kerry lacked two things that a president must have- charisma. Is it a superficial "qualification"? You bet. Are most people superficial? Yep.
    •  You've got to admit that both candidates (4.00)
      in 2000 elections sounded pretty uniform with the promises and plans they made.

      The real difference between them was in their personal history - Bush was Governor Death, who never worked a day in his life and Gore was the vice-president under a fairly successful administration.

      Still, I cannot blame anyone for not predicting the catastrophic dimension of Bush being  elected. It couldn't be predicted.

    •  2000 vs 2004 (4.00)
      In 2000, Nader had a good point, which was this: Democrats as well as Republicans make their first responsibility corporate appeasement, not taking care of the American people. That's not a lie. We complain about it every day here on dKos.

      You know how frustrated we've been the last five years about Democrats who roll over and play dead? That's what Nader was talking about. His rhetoric was a challenge to Gore: prove you're not the same as Bush. Unfortunately, the Democratic tactic seemed to be simply to demonize potential Nader voters, not try to win them over.

      And, believe it or not, I talked to a few people who had bought into the widespread smear campaign against Clinton such that they had a purely irrational dislike of Gore, who seemed receptive to the idea of voting for Nader instead of Bush.

      But in 2000, neither Gore nor Bush had actually been president.

      In 2004 Nader's campaign just seemed sad and out of touch and I felt embarrassed for him.

      But Nader and Nader voters (as well as the people who voted for the Libertarian or the Communist or the Natural Law party candidates) are not the ones who put Bush in the White House. Bush voters (and the Supreme Court, and probably corrupt voting machines) put Bush in the White House.

      If we're going to point fingers, let's point 'em in the right direction.

    •  You don't get votes for which you don't (4.00)
      campaign.  Too many Democrats expect leftie votes for free and from everything we know about politics, marketing and human motivation, that is very unlikely to happen. If you want to get people into their Birkies and down to the polling place you have to appeal to them, motivate them, rather than trying to pick up votes on the right, which hasn't seemed to work very well.

      Which minority group would Jesus hate?

      by NorCalJim on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 08:53:58 AM PDT

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    •  Jeers to you... (4.00)
      1. And a zero for coming into BiPM's C&J to pick fights with the first comment.  This is trolling, even if you are not a troll!

      2. A zero for not even understanding the political structure of the progressive left, the Green Party, the Democratic Party, the Republican Party, and Ralph Nader.  Your rant is factually incorrect on about five levels.  

      3. A zero for not knowing when the last presidential election was.  Unless you are Stephanie Cutler I absolutely guarantee I did more for the Democratic Party in 2004 than you!  Every Green I know showed up big with money and time for John Kerry. Where were you?

      4. A zero for rewriting history.  Al Gore won Florida.  It is that simple.  It was not the Greens who stole it from him, it was the Republicans.  Get it!  

      5. A zero for narrowing in on one little point of ancient political history.   Why not mention Clinton's fucking blowjob?  Gore shouldn't have been fighting an uphill battle during peace and prosperity.  Where is that on the wall of shame?

      I come in here once or twice a week and automatically give out fours to every comment.  Some I read, some I don't.  This is my first "0" in C&J!

      I am so far to the left I can almost see the right again.

      by beagleandtabby on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 09:04:24 AM PDT

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      •  Well, I'm glad I could... (4.00)

        -

        ...spark such a spirited discussion of Ralph Nader in a Hurricane Katrina thread.

        The Republic is saved.

        -

        •  I took my troll rating back and non-rated it Bill (4.00)
          I am just stressed and angry, as is the poster, as are many of us.  It is easy for me to direct my anger in the wrong direction.

          I apologize for gettin' all serio-stress case up in the happy house.  I really do!

          I apologize to dcg2 as well if he/she took offense.

          It isn't your fault.  It wasn't dcg2's fault.  It is a tense time and I am still worried about some family and friends who haven't checked in yet.  I am venting rage and venting it the wrong direction.

          There is an excess of rage to go around.  We are family here, we can argue and kiss and make up I hope.

          I will probably go back later this afternoon and give everyone fours.  Including the poster I was mad at before.

          Thanks for keeping up with C&J throughout the last week.  I have needed it!  Even the daily show was on vacation last week.

          B&T

          I am so far to the left I can almost see the right again.

          by beagleandtabby on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 11:00:43 AM PDT

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        •  P.S. (4.00)
          I gave out all 4's per my usual policy.

          C&J has always been about passing out the pork regardless of politics.

          What's so funny about peace, love, and, understanding?

          I am so far to the left I can almost see the right again.

          by beagleandtabby on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 11:23:48 AM PDT

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          •  Passing the pork (4.00)

            You've expressed what I feel.

            This is what we'll see when the Bush Administration displays the least bit of humanity.

            Their privileged existence of wealthy debauchery had not prepared them for the next few moments. Carnacki

            by sersan on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 01:04:30 PM PDT

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  •  Jeers to the overprivildged (4.00)
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  •  The. Best. Photoshop. Work. Ever. :o) N/T (4.00)

    Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has. -- Margaret Mead

    by ilona on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 05:49:12 AM PDT

  •  Hall of Shame Comments (4.00)
    Take your boats and get on home."  - FEMA official to 500 boat owners who showed up to help evacuate the day after the disaster.

    "Heh-heh..........heh-heh.....heh-heh." - Beavis Bush, asshole extraordinaire.

    Canada - where a pack of smokes is ten bucks and a heart transplant is free.

    by dpc on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 05:49:51 AM PDT

  •  'Brownie, you're doing a heck of a job' (4.00)
    gets my vote.  There's no better indicator of his cluelessness.  Bush will ride that one, flaming, all the way down to the bottom.
    BTW, don't miss the NYT editorial today on Bush's gallant offer to investigate himself:
    http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/07/opinion/07wed1.html?hp=&pagewanted=print
    •  Just like OJ (4.00)
      Bush will "investigate himself" just like OJ searched for the "real killer".  This is LOL material except that it is so sad and serious to have this deranged idiot ruining the world.
    •  I don't get this: (4.00)
      NYT: "It was chilling, to put it mildly, to read Mayor Ray Nagin's comment in The Journal that New Orleans's hurricane plan was "get people to higher ground and have the feds and the state airlift supplies to them."

      It seems like a decent basic plan to me. The chilling part is the fact that once those tens of thousands got to higher ground, the feds ignored them, not allowing them to leave OR bringing them food and water.

      •  Yeah, I don't get that, it's unwarranted (4.00)
        It is a decent plan.  Clearly, depending on Bush's FEMA was the chilling part.
        •  exactly (4.00)
          It also implies that this one-sentence summary of the plan is, you know, the ENTIRE plan.  What bullshit.  

          It's the Times once again bending over backwards to find that false equivalence.  "Liberals say the world is round; rightwingers say the earth is flat...who can possibly tell where the real truth lies?"

    •  Don't forget --- (3.92)
      "When pressed by Siegel that people were massed at the Convention Center without food and water, Chertoff replied "we don't act on rumors"."

      "Bush should've hired Fed-Ex. They know when it has to be there overnight."

      by MissAnneThrope on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 06:31:38 AM PDT

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    •  This gets my vote too ... (4.00)
       ... because it exemplifies how reliant Bush has become on obfuscation instead of accountability.

      Bush has become conditioned to lavishly praise incompetents instead of holding them accountable. It's always worked before, Bush probably thought, so why not do it now?

    •  this is mine (4.00)
      "I understand there are 10,000 people dead. It's terrible. It's tragic. But in a democracy of 300 million people, over years and years and years, these things happen."

      Ten thousand poor blacks here, 40,000 poor blacks there...who's counting?  Let's move on.  Any news from Aruba?

      "Every act of becoming conscious is an unnatural act." - Adrienne Rich

      by marjo on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 07:21:47 AM PDT

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    •  " Bush will ride that one, flaming..." (4.00)
      "...all the way down to the bottom."

      He will if we keep hammering him and hammering the media to stay focused on him and his culpability.  This son of a bitch has dodged more "surefire" political death blows than Rasputin.  Or rather, he's not been held accountable for his incompetence by the MSM.

  •  Mayor Nagi verified this already........ (4.00)
    http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/9/6/132725/8931

    It said verification pending.

    However, Mayor Nagi did verify the story in a Nightline Podcast interview.

    http://a.abcnews.com/podcast/050905ntl.mp3  

    It comes around 11:05

    Stop Corporate Influence; buy DEMOCRACY BONDS!!! http://www.democrats.org/democracybonds.html

    by timber on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 05:50:36 AM PDT

  •  looting / finding meme debunked (4.00)
    At least in that instance. Snopes has it.
  •  this isn't exactly for the Hall of Shame (4.00)
    but for an anteroom of it, The Hall of Sorrow.

    Addressing the Senate yesterday, Barack Obama quoted a woman from New Orleans who said:

    "We had nothing before the hurricane.  Now we have less than nothing."

  •  Overheard at work today ... (4.00)
    "It doesn't matter what any body did or didn't do, if God wanted it  ..."

    I didn't stay to hear the last of the comment. Had to leave before I lost it.

    vulgus vult decipi -- Phaedrus

    by fritzrth on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 05:52:33 AM PDT

    •  clueless Bush-loving religious idiots (4.00)
      This is the type of voter who could watch Bush crush babies under his feet and still support him.  Nothing that the evil idiot does will sway their faith that Bush is somehow "religious" when of course the cruel Bush is such a liar that any profession of his "religion" are just more lies.
    •  My evangelical Christian mom ... (4.00)
      said the exact same effing thing about the Iraq war.

      Would these people say this if their houses were  underwater?

      •  Remind her (4.00)
        "As ye sow, so shall ye reap." Iraq is destroyed. A chunk of the US is destroyed...by an act of God. Maybe HE is trying to tell you something?

        John Roberts- You can't book a judge by his cover.

        by digital drano on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 07:47:22 AM PDT

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      •  Jeez (4.00)
        Mom: "Your teacher tells me you didn't turn in your homework."

        Kid: "It doesn't matter what any body did or didn't do, if God wanted it  ..."

        Mom: "Did you cut off your sister's hair?"

        Kid: "It doesn't matter what any body did or didn't do, if God wanted it  ..."

        Mom: "You killed the neighbors because their dog was laughing at you?"

        Kid: "It doesn't matter what any body did or didn't do, if God wanted it  ..."

        "My fellow merkins." - G.W. Bush

        by dji on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 07:56:25 AM PDT

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      •  No, they scream a different tune (4.00)
        when it happens to them.  But they use their money, their power, and their insularity to try to ensure that nothing "bad" ever encroaches into their lives.  If something does manage to creep in from "outside," they either blame society -- "how dare they let them nigra looters anywhere near mah jewelry emporium?" or blame the individual for his or her own failings -- "say what, Buffy, you're pregnant?!?  In the name of Jeezus, git outa mah house!"  Or they dodge responsibility completely -- "it ain't mah fault they done caught me with that nigra hooker, they shouldn't of been pokin round mah busness, and sides, it's that gotdamn Bill Klintoon's fault for instillin an atmosphere of moral laxity in this fahn country.  You buyin' this, Martha?"
    •  I hear you (4.00)
      Yesterday was a better day than usual.  The only thing that drove me out of the bullpen was when they started sneering about Jesse Jackson and the use of the word "refugees".  They seem to be hard-wired to do the opposite of anything Jackson suggests.

      The first thing I heard on TV when I got home was the President saying, "these are not refugees, they are Americans."  I wanted to phone all those Kool-Aid drinkers and spread around some cognitive dissonance.

      •  OK, enough.... (4.00)
        Don't get me wrong, I'm not in any way diminshing the suffering of these poor souls.

        But I'm not sure why the Congressional Black Caucus, Jesse Jackson, etc. have serious problems with the term refugee. I don't think most people think refugee means "not from this country" which seems to be their argument. I think this is a case of over-scrutinizing every detail in search of racism. Now, clearly, racism & "classism" is one of the underlying reasons these people were not helped immediately. But to chide the media, who has really been steadfastly furthering their cause, for using a term as if it was some sort of racially loaded term is, in my view, a lot of wasted effort.

        Refugee: One who flees in search of refuge, as in times of war, political oppression, or religious persecution.

        •  I think the rub is (4.00)
          people associate the word refugees with foreigners. People who came here for political and finacial reasons, but they don't belong to "us". These are not foreigners, they are Americans.

          John Roberts- You can't book a judge by his cover.

          by digital drano on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 07:53:23 AM PDT

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        •  I agree (4.00)
          The plain meaning of the word is "someone taking refuge".  It didn't occur to me to think otherwise until the objections started bubbling to the surface.

          Jesse Jackson saying "racist" gives these rednecks in my office a target regardless of whether his complaint has merit.  If I didn't know better, I'd think he was a Karl Rove plant --"Look!  Shiny!"  My coworkers were angry and frustrated and empathetic, then along comes this near-trivial language quibble that brings them straight back around to "no matter what we do, those people will always call us racists."

    •  I don't know. (4.00)
      It's always hard in a work situation, but I might have confronted him.

      "So God had a greater purpose in tens of thousands of people drowning and starving to death, with tends of thousands more having experiences to have nightmares about?"

      The only ones that would seem to have any ulterior purpose to the suffering that went on is the Administration, and the 'ruling' party.

      "You're either with us or against us in the war on terror." - George W. Bush
      "Only a Sith deals in absolutes." - Obi Wan Kenobi

      by Stymnus on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 06:55:37 AM PDT

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      •  I admire your restraint (4.00)
        I would have felt an irresistable urge to punch the mofo's lights out.

        Then I'd say, "It doesn't matter what anybody does or doesn't do . . . "

      •  If I could have been civil about it ... (4.00)
        I might have said something, but I knew I was going to blow if I tried. This was a woman young enough to be my daughter and it wouldn't have been pretty.

        The idea that God kills the poor, the ill, the elderly, babies just to punish a small minority of "sinners" or simply to show how great and powerful he is ... I don't have words for how ill that makes me.

        vulgus vult decipi -- Phaedrus

        by fritzrth on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 07:09:26 AM PDT

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        •  As ye do to the least of these... (4.00)
          This is the response for Christians: Matthew 25. Tell them to go and read it and THINK about their duty as Christians. What would JESUS do? This is the answer.

          31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:

          32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:

          33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.

          34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

          35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:

          36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.

          37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?

          38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?

          39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?

          40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

          41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

          42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:

          43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.

          44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?

          45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.

          46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.


          They are waiting for the rapture and the second coming. This is the measure of their salvation. If they really believe in Jesus, they need to meditate on this.

          John Roberts- You can't book a judge by his cover.

          by digital drano on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 08:08:17 AM PDT

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    •  oh yeah (4.00)
      I thought God was all powerful? If God wanted thousands of his children dead, why did he need FEMA's help?
    •  they are (4.00)
      shifting the blame to God.

      Not all who wander are lost.

      by petal on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 07:29:08 AM PDT

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  •  Hump day C&J from freeperville (4.00)
    Cheers My LTE was printed in the paper today in the Holland Sentinel.

    To all of you small-government-pull-yourself-up-by-the-bootstraps-no-help-from-me people, this debacle in New Orleans and the Gulf Coast is the direct result of the dismantling of FEMA in the last four years. The previous heads of FEMA who were skilled in natural disaster recovery were systematically removed from their positions since 9/11. FEMA no longer has authority to take charge in natural disasters and is now wrapped under the mantle of the Homeland Security Department.
    Excuse me, but if we can't rescue a couple hundred thousand people from a storm-ravaged coast when we have two days' notice, how are we going to respond to an actual terrorist attack?
    The government also decided that waging war on a country that did not attack us was more important than finishing levee projects that were in process for 10 years. This past spring, there was another call out to finish the levees, but the funding was again cut. One of the levees that burst was known to be weak and was on the list to have been completed, but could not be so because "homeland security" was more important.
    Obviously this administration is only pro-life if you are white, middle-class and yet to be born or lying in a hospital bed with a tube down your throat. If you are poor and black, with no cash, no transportation, and no housing, then you can wait for help to arrive because we can't be bothered to help before it's too late.

    It is a tad vitriolic, but I was angry last week (actually, I'm still angry) about the debacle in NO and the Gulf Coast.  
    I am somewhat glad that it is listed under my married name which is not in the phone book.  This is still freeperville, even if they have removed all of the supporting bumper stickers from their cars.
    Cheers to the local Red Cross chapter who had to reorganize space in the offices so that they can have private places to talk to incoming survivors who will be living here and should be coming in the next few days.
    Cheers to the local churches and community organizations who are stepping up to the plate to make sure that the people will be taken care of.  
    <aside> I sure hope they are African-American or Caribbean in origin.  It would do the Dutch an awful lot of good to have to be nice to them.  There are an awful lot of very bigoted people here who need to see `the other'.

    America works best in spreading democracy when people over the world see something they want to emulate. Richard

    by Mlle L on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 05:53:45 AM PDT

  •  Cheering and Jeering from home (4.00)
    Day two of mecki as stay-at-home dad is today. Yesterday saw highs and lows, today should be a little quieter.

    Cheers to Harold Meyerson's oped in the Post today. Has he been reading Kos?

    Jeers to the oped in the post yesterday that said Roberts had no ethical problem, while referring to the case in question as 'Hamdan'. Am I totally clueless or isn't it 'Hamdi'?

    Cheers to putting the blame where it belongs.

    And now, back to being daddy!

    "If anyone says, 'I love God,' yet hates his brother, he is a liar" --1 John 4:20 (NIV)

    by mecki on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 05:54:06 AM PDT

  •  If (4.00)
    "We really don't have time to play the political game right now."
    White House Counselor Dan Bartlett (9/6/05)

    Then why did Bush have time to schedule a contested political appointment in recess even before he left Crawford?

    Why did he have time to propose  John Roberts for Chief Justice?

    How did they have time to get all these talking points straight?

    Why did Bush have time to visit John McCain and Trent Lott's porch?  Why did he have time for a fundraiser.

    I submit to Bartlett and anyone else who talks of blame game or political games , "There you go again." to quote their elephant god Ronny Raygun.  There you go again making "games" of people's lives and deaths.  Only determining who and what went wrong will keep America from another repeat of a horrible tragedy.

    •  It's NOT A GAME, YOU PRICK! (4.00)
      This is NOT a "blame game." This is deadly-serious. This is a failure at the top. This is FUBAR. This blood is on the hands of George W. Bush. We still see the spinning and CYA today. This is an outrage not seen in decades. This must not be allowed to continue!!!

      Ari Mistral

      "Nature has laid [New Orleans] waste - with a scope that brings to mind the end of Pompeii." - Anne Rice

      by Ari Mistral on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 06:01:39 AM PDT

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  •  You did it again! (4.00)
    Cheers to Social Democrat, hopefully he will be a good sport about Bill taking over his highest rated comments list.

    Mt 24:22B "but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened". Let us pray that Christ was talking about the Bush presidency.

    by Tomtech on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 05:56:47 AM PDT

  •  Jeers to Fining the Victims! (4.00)
    "You have people who don't heed those warnings and then put people at risk as a result of not heeding those warnings. There may be a need to look at tougher penalties on those who decide to ride it out and understand that there are consequences to not leaving." --Sen. Lube and Fecal Matter, er Santorum.

    Stop using Jesus as an excuse for being a narrow-minded bigoted asshole.

    by joeesha on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 05:58:10 AM PDT

    •  so LOGICAL! (4.00)
      Yeah, that'll work!
    •  Santorum isn't happy (4.00)
      that these people have lost everything, now he wants to punish them!  They were all punished because they were the Left Behind.  Not Left Behind in the Rapture, but because of your rapacious greed Sen. Santorum.  TAX CUTS KILL.

      "My job is to protect the American people." George W. Bush. Did he?

      by PAprogressive on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 06:55:38 AM PDT

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      •  those who choose to stay (4.00)
        On the Huffington Post, they have Santorum explaining away his comments.  He didn't mean the people who had no resources to leave, he meant the ones who could have left but chose to stay.  Right.    

        My question is: what kind of bureaucracy are they going to need to evaluate each individual's situation and determine whether they should be fined or not?    

        Just because you're self-righteous doesn't mean you're not a hypocrite.

        by AMcG826 on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 09:20:40 AM PDT

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    •  Santorum... (4.00)
      ...what an @$$!

      Penalties, eh? Y'think they figured it out this time? Stay behind = die. Quite a fine: death sentence.

      IF that type of situation hit Casa Fiend, WE would be one of those 'stay behind, nowhere to go, no car, po' folk'.

      Santorum is aptly named 'lube and fecal matter'. Heh heh, it seems NO is drowning in it.

      Choo Choo Q. -7.13, -6.36 "Those that set in motion the forces of evil cannot always control them afterwards." ~~ Charles W. Chesnutt

      by Quotefiend on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 10:49:31 AM PDT

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  •  Barbara, 'Bitch' Bush (4.00)
    This comment sums up her "beautiful mind", untroubled by talk of death and destruction:

    And so many of the people in the arena here, you know, were underprivileged anyway so this...this is working very well for them."

    Impeach Bush- then slap his momma

  •  My neighbor, 9/1/05: (4.00)
    "They chose to live there"

    "They were told to evacuate"

    •  Your neighbor is an ass. (4.00)

      Does the devil wear a suit and tie, Or does he work at the Dairy Queen- Martin Sexton

      by strengthof10kmen on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 06:25:37 AM PDT

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      •  Yes, (4.00)
        he votes dem., though. Figure that one out.

        "If you're going through hell, keep going". -Winston Churchill

        by One bite at a time on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 06:36:09 AM PDT

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        •  defense (4.00)
          Trying to put a little distance between himself and hell on earth.  Try asking if he feels the same way about the doctors who stayed with their critically ill patients, or care workers in nursing homes or children who stayed to care for their elderly parents...

          If he concedes any of those points, then ask where he would take his family without a car or money for shelter...

          •  I was talking to my Mom (4.00)
            last night about the reason people stay.

            My Dad has some health issues and I asked if she would leave him.  Of course not.  My brother who lives near would never leave my Mom there, and so on.  How about the doctors and nurses who work at the hospital, if your wife was a nurse who had to stay, would you leave her? No. Maybe if you had to get your kids out, but otherwise no.

            When we were in our early 20's, although not in desperate poverty, there were many times that I wrote out checks on the 29th with a small tear through the routing numbers hoping we would get the 31st paychecks in the bank before the check hit.  We didn't have credit cards. If we needed to evacuate on the 29th at that time in our lives it would have been hard, I think we would have been in the Superdome.

            People were also told that they would lose their jobs if they didn't show up for work the next day. Talk about a hard choice.

            There is a million reasons that people stayed and not many of them are related to stupidity.  Any one with a soul should be able to see that without having it spelled out for them, it's called empathy.

            Does the devil wear a suit and tie, Or does he work at the Dairy Queen- Martin Sexton

            by strengthof10kmen on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 08:08:44 AM PDT

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            •  hmmmm.... (4.00)
              a little tear on the routing number, eh? Not a bad idea!
              I've thought about this, too. Very good chance we would have wound up in the Superdome in the not too distant past. Maybe even this time.

              "If you're going through hell, keep going". -Winston Churchill

              by One bite at a time on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 09:29:00 AM PDT

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              •  A little trick I learned (4.00)
                from a friend I worked with in a restaurant.  A group that traditionally doesn't have a lot of savings.  She said it makes it so the computer can't read it and it has to be done by hand which buys you an extra day or two.  This was probably 10-15 years ago so technology may have changed. A good tip none the less.

                We are not as poor now and have a few credit cards and I am pretty neurotic(ok completely,totally neurotic) about weather danger so I think we would have left early now.  I would certainly pick you up though. :)

                Does the devil wear a suit and tie, Or does he work at the Dairy Queen- Martin Sexton

                by strengthof10kmen on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 10:36:47 AM PDT

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            •  Empathy (none)
              isn't practiced much anymore. Neither is Compassion. I don't see it like I used to in people. What happened to our ability to walk a mile in someone's shoes and feel the pebble there?

              A society of sheep must beget in time a government of wolves. Bertrand de Jouvenel

              by Little Red Hen on Sat Sep 10, 2005 at 05:38:54 PM PDT

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          •  Yeah (4.00)
            I think that the "they shouldn't have lived there in the first place and why didn't they get out?" meme is based on an unfortunate human tendency to want to believe that, if we just make all the right choices,  bad things will never happen to us.

            If somebody dies of lung cancer, everybody really wants to know that person was a smoker.

            They would be doing the same thing if an earthquake devastated San Francisco.

            It doesn't mean I don't wanna punch 'em, though.

        •  You sure about him (4.00)
          voting Dem?  Maybe he just tells you he does.  OTOH, there are thousands of clueless Dems wandering around out there, bumping into walls and talking into wastebaskets.  Maybe he's one of them...?
        •  I've heard a few "democrats" (4.00)
          say the same thing! It all comes out in the wash, doesn't it?

          I've gotten really pissed off at two of my friends so far. One said that he agreed looters should be shot on sight! Another said the same thing about leaving -- that people should have gotten out so it's their own fault if they died!

          WTF?!?

          "Part of the facts is understanding we have a problem, and part of the facts is what you're going to do about it."-- G.W. Bush, April 15, 2005

          by flashlass on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 09:24:04 AM PDT

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    •  Remember this (4.00)
      if he ever comes to you for help.

      "My job is to protect the American people." George W. Bush. Did he?

      by PAprogressive on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 06:56:17 AM PDT

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  •  Forgot Cheney (4.00)
    In the 04 campaign, gave what we now know was the mother of all whoppers when he said that if you vote vor Kerry "The danger is, that we may get hit again.

    Implying that Dick and George will protect you and keep our government small and under control.

    Dick, go fuck yourself.

    --Liberate your radio--

    by Sam Loomis on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 06:00:15 AM PDT

  •  Thanks, Bill (4.00)
    A poem by Emily Dickinson for those affected by the hurricane:
    Parting
    My life closed twice before its close;
    It yet remains to see
    If immortality unveil
    A third event to me
    So huge, so hopeless to conceive
    As these that twice befell.
    Parting is all we know of heaven,
    And all we need of hell.

    The UCC: to believe is to care, to care is to do. Also, they have cookies.

    by pastordan on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 06:02:31 AM PDT

    •  i love that poem... emily dickenson is my fav (4.00)
      poet.... i named my daughter after her...  and the poem is so fitting.
    •  Did you know..? (4.00)
      You can sing the text of almost any of Emily's poems to either "Amazing Grace"  or "The Yellow Rose of Texas."

      Irreverant, but true - try Amazing Grace with pastorDan's poem...

      Those who fail to learn from history...are invited to submit an application for a position in the Bush administration.

      by Timoteo on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 07:20:42 AM PDT

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    •  Apparently there was (4.00)
      a "third event" for Emily:

      I never lost as much but twice,
      And that was in the sod.
      Twice have I stood a beggar
      Before the door of God!

      Angels -- twice descending
      Reimbursed my store --
      Burglar! Banker -- Father!
      I am poor once more!

      Also remembering Kipling today:

      If you can meet with triumph and disaster
      And treat those two imposters just the same;
      If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken
      Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
      Or watch the things you gave your life to broken,
      And stoop and build 'em up with wornout tools...

      "You have to accept whatever comes and the only important thing is that you meet it with courage and with the best you have to give." -- Eleanor Roosevelt

      by marylrgn on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 09:47:27 AM PDT

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    •  Love Emily... (4.00)
      Here is the Dickinson poem that has come to my mind most frequently the past few years -- well at least the beginning two lines.

      Tell all the Truth but tell it slant---
      Success in Circuit lies.

      Too bright for our infirm Delight
      The Truth's superb surprise.

      As Lightening to the Children eased
      With explanation kind
      The Truth must dazzle gradually
      Or every man be blind---

  •  Cheers to CNN (4.00)
    for getting some balls and doing their job for our country, at least for now.

    CHEERS to HRC, who tore the administration a new one on NBC this morning.  

    File this away for the next time you hear someone complain ad nauseum about how dems are silent about this that or the other....Cause those same people usually don't pay attention anyway.

    --Liberate your radio--

    by Sam Loomis on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 06:03:10 AM PDT

  •  JEERS to mother nature's PMS (4.00)
    Time for me and the rest of Central FL to hunker down again.  MY yard still hasn't dryed out from the last storm...

    JEERS to Robert Rodriguez - The SIN CITY DVD is sparse and will be replaced in two years with the "Ultimate Edition" with extras galore....right around the time SIN CITY 2 comes out...

    --Liberate your radio--

    by Sam Loomis on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 06:05:50 AM PDT

    •  I mean no offense but... (4.00)
      that title bothers me.

      I can accept Mother Nature getting pissed.  But Mother Nature getting PMS sounds so...dismissive, petulant and unkind. (not to mention what it says about women in general) Hasn't she earned our respect?

      sorry, I'm having outrage hangover.  I'm over-sensitive.

      "Every act of becoming conscious is an unnatural act." - Adrienne Rich

      by marjo on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 07:39:36 AM PDT

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  •  Naw--you missed my favorite one-- (4.00)
    in which Bush, standing amid the ruins of New Orleans, pledges to restore ... Houston, and also cracks a drinking joke.

    "Here's what I believe. I believe that the great city of New Orleans will rise again and be a greater city of New Orleans. (Applause.) I believe the town where I used to come from, Houston, Texas, to enjoy myself -- occasionally too much -- (laughter) -- will be that very same town, that it will be a better place to come to."

    http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/09/20050902-8.html

  •  CHEERS to David Gregory (4.00)
    For giving Scottie-boy a proper beating in the press room.  Someone email MSNBC and tell them we have found a replacement for Tweety on HARDBALL.

    CHEERS to Kanye West.  Great new CD.  Great Live TV.

    --Liberate your radio--

    by Sam Loomis on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 06:09:26 AM PDT

  •  Sorry...not attached to correct thread. (4.00)
    But, I'll include my addition to the Hall of Shame:

    In a memo written to Homeland Security Secretary Mike Chertoff, hours after Katrina's landfall, FEMA head Michael Brown sought approval for 1,000 HS employee to be dispatched to the Gulf Coast. In a list of requirements attached to the memo these employees are to "convey a positive image of disaster operations to government officials, community organizations and the general public."

    Image is everything to these folks. Haste is  overvalued: the memo gives these 1,000 requested employees 2 days to get down there.

    Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has. -- Margaret Mead

    by ilona on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 06:09:33 AM PDT

    •  I'm trying to track it down (4.00)
      but I heard a report late last night (as I was falling asleep), that the relief scene that Bush appeared at in Mississippi was the Katrina equivalent of the plastic turkey -- Bush posed with 50 firefighters who could've been out finding folks, and after Bush left, so did all the frickin' trucks.

      Busy Googling, but no luck yet...

      "It's an unnerving thought that we may be the living universe's supreme achievement and its worst nightmare simultaneously." -- Bill Bryson

      by Cali Scribe on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 07:15:54 AM PDT

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      •  try Talking Points Memo (4.00)
        Josh has a link I think

        "Every act of becoming conscious is an unnatural act." - Adrienne Rich

        by marjo on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 07:44:43 AM PDT

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        •  I'll take a look (4.00)
          My Google search of "asshat George W. Bush fucking media spin" sure wasn't working...

          "It's an unnerving thought that we may be the living universe's supreme achievement and its worst nightmare simultaneously." -- Bill Bryson

          by Cali Scribe on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 08:17:43 AM PDT

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          •  You don't hafta work if your PR does! (4.00)
            Frustrated: Fire crews to hand out fliers for FEMA
                          Sept. 6, 2005

            Not long after some 1,000 firefighters sat down for eight hours of training, the whispering began: "What are we doing here?"
               As New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin pleaded on national television for firefighters - his own are exhausted after working around the clock for a week - a battalion of highly trained men and women sat idle Sunday in a muggy Sheraton Hotel conference room in Atlanta.
                Many of the firefighters, assembled from Utah and throughout the United States by the Federal Emergency Management Agency, thought they were going to be deployed as emergency workers.
                Instead, they have learned they are going to be community-relations officers for FEMA, shuffled throughout the Gulf Coast region to disseminate fliers and a phone number: 1-800-621-FEMA.
                On Monday, some firefighters stuck in the staging area at the Sheraton peeled off their FEMA-issued shirts and stuffed them in backpacks, saying they refuse to represent the federal agency.
                Federal officials are unapologetic.
                "I would go back and ask the firefighter to revisit his commitment to FEMA, to firefighting and to the citizens of this country," said FEMA spokeswoman Mary Hudak. ....

            GOP: Invading personal privacy ©¿©¬ and proud of it!

            by PBen on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 10:40:24 AM PDT

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            •  Oh my God (4.00)
              Everytime I think they have stooped to their lowest level, they surprise me.

              I try to read a lot of the diaries about the disaster, honestly. But I can't. In the middle of the diaries or the comments I get a hollow feeling in my stomach and I feel that anger will overwhelm me. Then I remember that it's not about me or my feelings, but about the people who are hurt and suffering.

              I've donated what I can. But they need so much more. It makes me feel so helpless.

              I know the good part of America will try and help them. But the bad part is holding the reins of power and doing all it can to increase the suffering. I pray that people will read the news and finally realise what monsters they have governing them.

              Their privileged existence of wealthy debauchery had not prepared them for the next few moments. Carnacki

              by sersan on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 10:55:49 AM PDT

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      •  You mean this? (4.00)
        It was a photo op that stalled provisions getting to people:

        Three tons of food ready for delivery by air to refugees in St. Bernard Parish and on Algiers Point sat on the Crescent City Connection bridge Friday afternoon as air traffic was halted because of President Bush's visit to New Orleans, officials said.

        The provisions, secured by U.S. Rep. Charlie Melancon, D-Napoleonville, and state Agriculture Commissioner Bob Odom, baked in the afternoon sun as Bush surveyed damage across southeast Louisiana five days after Katrina made landfall as a Category 4 storm, said Melancon's chief of staff, Casey O'Shea.

        "We had arrangements to airlift food by helicopter to these folks, and now the food is sitting in trucks because they won't let helicopters fly," O'Shea said Friday afternoon.

        The food was expected to be in the hands of storm survivors after the president left the devastated region Friday night, he said.

        Bush visit halts food delivery

        "Part of the facts is understanding we have a problem, and part of the facts is what you're going to do about it."-- G.W. Bush, April 15, 2005

        by flashlass on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 09:35:01 AM PDT

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  •  Just one more! (4.00)
    Cheers for my Birthday!

    Jeers to Web Shots for giving me spam for a present.

    Mt 24:22B "but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened". Let us pray that Christ was talking about the Bush presidency.

    by Tomtech on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 06:13:21 AM PDT

  •  A bit of cheer and a bit of jeer (4.00)
    Ever wanted to crawl up in the sink?

     That was something to cheer about.

    Now that you've had your "awww" moment, here's something to jeer about:   a visual summary of the problem on the Gulf coast.  It's all ye need to know.

    Now try to have a nice day, y'all.

    "Pro-life" really means "pro-criminalization"

    by Radiowalla on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 06:17:58 AM PDT

  •  Cheers! To my first hate mail!..... (4.00)
    and I've been at this a while...

    Jeers! To the idiot who wrote it:

    "I would also suggest the displaced now go to work at the country's farms at harvest time, and send the illegal aliens home.  However, I know from a 30 year veteran farmer, the farmers much prefer the illegal Mexican workers' work ethic to that of many African-Americans."

    He informs me that I am a hater, I hate George W. Bush, he says.  He knows something about hate, doesn't he?

    "For the Mardi Gras
    Neo-con domestic shock and awe.."--Rep. Major Owens

    by Cathy on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 06:21:15 AM PDT

    •  i think i am going to be sick! was it written (4.00)
      anonymously, because whoever wrote that needs a good lashing!
    •  Irony is everything. (4.00)
      Maybe this is old news to everyone, but up here in lily white Maine, I'm sorry to say I hadn't added this to my list of reasons to loathe so many U.S. Agriculture practices.

      According to Andrew Young's interview last week--sorry, can't lay my hands on a link quickly--many poor urban blacks have yet to recover from agricultural policy changes in the 1940s, when the U.S. government began to pay farmers not to farm as a form of price support, (paving the way for Archer Daniels Midland, I might add).

      Those who had made their livings on those farms were displaced to Southern cities and Young suggested the near absence of even mediocre education there since has led to today's concentrations of poorly educated, jobless urban blacks.

      Not suggesting that poverty on farms much exceeds poverty in urban blight, but might it have changed the race spectrum and voter landscape in those farming states had they stayed on the land?

      This seems somewhat simplistic and I don't know enough about Andrew Young to say one way or the other, but my impression is that he is well informed and well intentioned.

      Of course, it's  all spilt milk anyway and doesn't begin to excuse the vitriol of your dickheaded hate mailer.

      In the practice of tolerance, one's enemy is the best teacher. Dalai Lama

      by leolabeth on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 06:50:01 AM PDT

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      •  Inherited poverty - the disownership society (4.00)
        For generations Blacks were systematically denied access to mechanisms that many whites used to create and hold on to wealth. May whites have created wealth over time via property/estate wealth. Buy a house sell a house.  Work your way up the housing food chain.

        The opportunity to amass wealth has been systematically blocked for African Americans, contributing to the levels of poverty and disenfranchisement today. New Orleans is a visual example of the trickle-down effect of race policy. (Please note that this is NOT just a southern affliction. These policies affected northern blacks too.)

        As cotton prices plummeted, black farmers defaulted on their farm loans, crippling 30 ofthe 55 independent black-owned banks, the first of which was founded in 1888. In a domino effect, the crippled banks shut down and black farmers lost their life savings.
        Hordes were unable to recover, their lives devastated and uprooted by poverty. The Federal Farm Loan Act of 1916, which promised to provide credit to farmers at reasonable rates, systematically discriminated against black farmers, cutting them off from aide that was rightfully theirs.

        Also in 1933, Roosevelt created the $500 million Federal Emergency Relief
        Administration (FERA) to help poor, rural Americans. Black farmers applied for relief but did not receive it as often as whites. In June 1934, for example, there were 84 applications from blacks and 49 from whites. The FERA accepted 24, all from white farmers. The average total relief for whites was $19.51 and for blacks, $15.17.
        Preferential treatment of white farmers was endemic throughout the South; the rationale was that blacks could survive on less.

        A 1964 study exposed how the U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA) actively worked against the economic interests of black farmers. The USDA's loan agencies, such as the Farmer's Home Administration (FHA), denied black farmers ownership and operating loans, disaster relief and other aid. One practice was to deny credit to any black farmer who assisted Civil Rights activists, joined the NAACP, registered to vote, or simply signed a petition.

        Source: BLACK FARMING & LAND LOSS: A HISTORY.

        In the 1920's and 1930's Many Blacks left the farm for opportunities in and around the city. Wealth discrimination continued in the cities as well:

        As a number of historians have pointed out, suburbanization was closely related to the making of race and class identities in the postwar period. Federal entitlements such as the GI Bill and mortgage insurance programs made it possible for millions of Americans of European descent to attain key symbols of middle-class status, such as a college education, proprietorship of small businesses, and ownership of a new home.

        ...whites created a gauntlet of discriminatory practices that limited African Americans' access to the housing market.
        {snip}

        Similarly, white financial institutions almost uniformly refused to lend money to African Americans to buy property outside "established Negro areas," and they charged a premium for credit inside as well. Further, white home builders took the view that racial segregation was a "social problem" not a "housing problem," staunchly defending their right to refuse to sell or rent homes to African Americans and other minorities.
        {snip}

        As the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights concluded, housing discrimination involved the "deliberate exclusion" of blacks and other minorities "at all levels of the housing and home finance industries."


        Source: Places of Their Own - "Forbidden Neighbors" White Racism and Black Suburbanites, 1940-60

        John Roberts- You can't book a judge by his cover.

        by digital drano on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 08:55:33 AM PDT

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        •  Am I enough of a tinfoil hat wearer... (4.00)
          to see the longterm advantage for agricultural corporations to displacing the essentially indigenous farmers and farm workers with a shifting population of migrants?

          Thanks for the Black Farming and Land Loss tip. I have much to learn.

          In the practice of tolerance, one's enemy is the best teacher. Dalai Lama

          by leolabeth on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 12:56:27 PM PDT

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  •  For the record... (4.00)
    That last question to Scott McClellan was posed, surprisingly, by Terry Moran of ABC.

    OT:  It is funny to see Moran and Bob Woodruff looking all journalistic in an out-in-the-fray Peter  Jennings kind of way all of the sudden, as they vie to be the new anchor on ABC News.  (At least that's my take on it.)

    I miss Peter Jennings so much.

    "I'm not interested in that same liberal claptrap. That meow, meow, meow, ironic detachment." -- Stephen Colbert

    by SneakySnu on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 06:22:07 AM PDT

    •  Peter Jennings= Bush media whore (3.16)
      You miss that Peter Jennings?  The one who scoffed at the story of Bush being AWOL from the National Guard?  The millionaire who pocketed Bush's tax cuts while refusing to report on the truth behind Bush's march to war?  What do you miss about Peter, the smooth way he could lie and cover up for Bush?

      Peter Jennings is resting with scum Rehnquist right now, if you believe in an afterlife.  Personally, I think that they both will make good worm food, and the sooner the better for the pair of Bush-loving chumps.

      •  Geez, when you put it that way. (4.00)
        Ok, I admit it!  I'm horribly superficial when it comes to my news anchors!  I liked to see a handsome, elegant, impeccably dressed man read me the news!  

        And I'll admit another thing:  that it won't be Terry Moran's journalism that keeps him from being anchor.  It will be his extraordinary beauty.  Oh, he can try to stop looking like a modern-day Antinoos with that bad haircut, but he doesn't have the slightly rugged charm of a Woodruff.  And do you think that doesn't count?

        Lord I'm getting myself into trouble here.  Go ahead, y'all.  Flame away.  I can take it!  <sob!>  I haven't had TU status in months anyway...

        "I'm not interested in that same liberal claptrap. That meow, meow, meow, ironic detachment." -- Stephen Colbert

        by SneakySnu on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 07:13:51 AM PDT

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  •  DElaware (4.00)
    My cheers for the day:I love Jon Stewart, I wish he could have my babies... His show last night was spot on. I also missed Bill Maher last Friday so I caught up on that last night as well... and Boy, I think the media is beginning to grow a spine...

    Hopefully they'll show the dems the same thing.

    My jeers for the day: I am growing more restless with this STUPID DUMB ASS we have occupying my house, yes, the white house is my house, it's your house, it's all of our's house... Isn't there an Emily Post rule that helps you handle unwanted guests, or guests who've stayed past their welcome in your house?

    "So the last throes will be 6 times longer than the actual war" (paraphrased: Jon Stewart)

    by katfish on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 06:22:51 AM PDT

    •  Guest and fish smell after 3 days (4.00)
      Bush is WAY beyond his time, he smelled from the minute he stole the election in 2000 with the help of his crony Rehnquist the supreme scum.
    •  DVRd Maher (4.00)
      and need to transfer it to tape for the in-laws (who don't get HBO) -- definitely a keeper. [And will probably tack on the Olbermann rant as a bonus feature.]

      "It's an unnerving thought that we may be the living universe's supreme achievement and its worst nightmare simultaneously." -- Bill Bryson

      by Cali Scribe on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 07:07:10 AM PDT

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    •  Write to your Representative (4.00)
      Is it Mike Castle? Ewwww.

      Anyway, write and tell him that if he felt comfortable voting to impeach Clinton for getting blown, he can jolly well vote to impeach Bush for letting ten thousand people drown.

      •  haha (4.00)
        you know with everything else that's been going on, I never thought of it that way... I will write the letter and sign the parental units names, as I work for a Senator and don't want to start anything else haha.

        Thanks for the idea. Have a four!

        "So the last throes will be 6 times longer than the actual war" (paraphrased: Jon Stewart)

        by katfish on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 07:55:53 AM PDT

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    •  Remove the pineapples (4.00)
      I had heard the tale that the pineapple-shaped newels on guest bedroom bedposts were often removable. A guest who had overstayed his or her welcome would find that the pineapples of hospitality had been removed from the bedposts.

      Of course, I doubt that such a subtle hint would work on the current Inhabitant of Our House.

      On the other hand, the idea of a Miss Manners Brigade of covert etiquette experts removing the pineapples under cover of darkness... it just delights me.

    •  I know that in El Salvador they say that (4.00)
      if you put a broom next to the door, unwelcome guests will leave.

      Not sure if this is folk magic or whether the guests are supposed to see it and get the message, but you could try it on George.

      Of course, you'd probably end up in Guantanamo with the broom as Exhibit A.

      The less a man knows about how sausages and laws are made, the easier it is to steal his vote and give him botulism.

      by SensibleShoes on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 09:26:12 AM PDT

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    •  hahaha. (4.00)
      Wow, I didn't realize that by asking about Emily Post's rules of overstaying your welcome, I would be getting lots of answers.

      They're all quite good.

      I don't know if any of them will work but I'm willing to go undercover...even if it lands me at Guat-Bay.  Maybe I can use the broom to escape.

      oi vey

      "So the last throes will be 6 times longer than the actual war" (paraphrased: Jon Stewart)

      by katfish on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 11:36:11 AM PDT

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  •  sad... (4.00)
    good job bill. these quotes make me laugh, especially the one about Lott's new porch. i hadn't seen that one. but these quotes are really pretty sad for the most part. i already knew this administration was incompetent, but i hadn't seen all of these quotes. when is there going to be accountability for this failure? someone needs to lose their job for this! i'm not holding my breath...
  •  Clarification needed (4.00)
    Last night on CBS's "48 Hours" correspondent Peter Van Sant reported on the criticism around the rescue effort. However during the story he said this:

    <Louisiana Democratic Gov. Kathleen Babineaux Blanco was herself singled out for criticism. </p>

    Published reports have said that during the crisis she seemed "uncertain and sluggish," "had to be convinced by President Bush to declare a mandatory evacuation," and she has said she felt "overwhelmed.">

    As I recall, didn't Blanco send a letter to Bush asking him to declare Louisiana a disaster area? So why would she need convincing from Bush of all people to declare a mandatory evacuation? Is this true? Van Sant actually said "published reports" said this but I think it was irresponsible for him to leave the impression that Bush was on top of this disaster when he was the one who needed convincing.

    Here's the transcript to the piece:
    http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/09/06/48hours/main821560.shtml

    •  that way its her fault and not bush's. (4.00)
      and the poll i saw this morning on one of the news channels shows that people aren't blaming bush.  they blame the mayor and the governor.  which is a shame.  because if it ends up being them sitting in a sports arena filled with filth and no water for five days, i wonder who they will blame then!
    •  Third hand lies (4.00)
      See Josh Marshall on this.

      Whe he says "published reports have described her as uncertain and sluggish" he is referring to a discredited Newsweek story, based on a White House source.

      I've got blisters on my fingers!

      by Elwood Dowd on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 06:48:19 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  And that wasn't all..... (4.00)

      Not only did that report try to cast the blame on Blanco, it also then tried to say how Bush "cut short his vacation" to address the crisis.  It THEN also played an audio tape of the mayor getting angry and using expletives in describing the situation.  Seems to me that's coming awfully close to trying to paint the mayor as just an "angry black man" to try to discredit him.  So, blame Blanco and Nagin and discredit them, and don't say anything about the criticism of Bush and FEMA.  Hmmm - wonder where they got this slant from?

  •  Hall of Shame (4.00)
    from NOLA.com comes this unbelievable story:

    I went to New Orleans
    by gwest100, 9/4/05 12:42 ET
    My name is Greg West. My wife Sonja and I have just returned from New Orleans. I was able to get by some State Trooper check points. I got into New Orleans. It is horrible. Do not believe what is being reported. The situation there is FAR worse than what you are being told. The National Guard gave me several numbers to call to report locations of stranded loved ones, I will include them at the bottom of this post. I want to warn you though, that if you do call; the Guard will merely try to pacify you by telling you what THEY think you want to hear. I talked to Lt. Col Elwood or (L. Wood) claiming to be a JAG officer. He took the EXACT address of where my cousin is stranded with MANY other folks in an apartment complex. The conversation was mainly one sided. Shortly after this talk, I received a text message that my cousin was approached by Guardsmen. He assumed they had come to get them out. Instead, a gun was put in his face and he was told to stay put or.."We will shoot and shoot to kill!" I have talked with countless persons and given them the exact location and A PHONE NUMBER THAY HAVE INSIDE THAT IS WORKING! Specialist Adams, Sgt. Guidree; more pacification. General Randerneau should be relieved of his command since he can not seem to control the troops on the field. I just got off the phone with a Sgt. at Command & Control of Search & Rescue. More pacification. My cousin is a Disabled American Veteran and is out of medication. The Guard have NO plan or intention of getting him or those with him out. They are dying. What is happening, the truth; is that Guard Command & Control is NOT running properly. Sources in Algiers that I spoke with on the ground there, believe that when the press leaves; the order will be given to kill those remaining. Use the phone numbers provided, but be aware of the Stall & Pacify techniques that are being used as this horror unfolds.(512)782-1020 (512)782-1021 (512)782-1022 (512)782-1039(512)782-1033

    [other contact numbers posted in original.]

    Good luck to you all. Let God walk with you during these times and rely upon Him; for the Government of America does NOT walk with you.


    I still get the shakes when I read this.

    80W-71S
    The most un-American thing you can say is, "You can't say that." -G. Keillor

    by Eddie Haskell on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 06:25:46 AM PDT

  •  aoeu (4.00)
    "I don't think anyone anticipated the breach of the levees" is the new "mission accomplished."

    Oh when the frogs. . Come marching in. . Oh when the FROGS COME MARCH-ING IN!

    by pontificator on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 06:26:29 AM PDT

    •  asdf (4.00)
      'I don't think anyone thought that terrorists would fly an airplane into the World Trade Center'
      Paraphasing Condi Rice

      This seems to be a pattern. If they don't THINK they don't have to ACT.

      I'd like to know what else the admin is NOT thinking about.

  •  My suggestion: Hire FEMA's "Brownie" (4.00)
    Michael Brown for CEO of Halliburton.

    You'd get a company that's too stupid to steal.

    80W-71S
    The most un-American thing you can say is, "You can't say that." -G. Keillor

    by Eddie Haskell on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 06:29:40 AM PDT

  •  I'd Remove the Wolf Blitzer Comment (4.00)
    I saw that live, it came right after Jack Cafferty's discussion of race and the point he was trying to make was a good one - he just did it very inartfully.

    Absolute Horror: The Best in Bad Horror Movies

    by dansac on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 06:30:19 AM PDT

  •  Watch for the Slush Fund (4.00)
    I was surprised to learn that well over 90% of the funding for FEMA is done on a supplemental basis.  This means that funds for disaster relief are not set forth in the budget (even though it is highly likely that hurricanes, floods, and natural disasters will occur every year).  As a result, FEMA monies are spent on an emergency basis.

    The net result is that FEMA spending amounts to a giant political slush fund.

    Since FEMA spending, by definition, is an emergency, the ordinary rules of government contracting fall by the wayside.  There are no small business set asides and no attempts to bring in minority contractors.  The people who need our help the most will not get any benefit from the huge amounts our government will spend on the Gulf Coast.  

    •  Halliburton will do well (4.00)
      Halliburton is set up to suck up all of this money and not provide any accountability, they don't have to since their ex-boss runs the white house.  Cheney will make sure that Halliburton gets billions in no-bid contracts- any disaster is an opportunity for the greedy Bushite cronies.

      Impeach Bush- start the clean up in DC

  •  I Jeer them all! (4.00)
    Jeers to all the rugged individual assholes who demanded paperwork -- PAPERWORK -- before sending in the FEMA and NG rescuers! You are incompetant and racist and you thought this would be such a clever way of being legalistic and managing to score off a bunch of poor black folk! You're evil and I'm calling you out!

    Jeers to the Gretna sheriffs deputies who, in league with the Feds, turned away desperate people from the bridge out of N.O.! I read the diaries! You are heroes in some regard, I am sure, but you have stained your honor!

    Cheers to Deamonte the 6-year-old who kept his siblings and cousins (who were younger than him) together as rescuers never came back to the rooftop for his momma or granddad or auntie! What is the matter with you people? God Bless you, little guy, and God keep you (and I don't know that I mean that literally) in Texas.

    Cheers to the Duke student rescuers. You rock!

    Cheers to all the evacuee families at my folks' church, who are working so hard to get reestablished, employed and find their extended families! I have seen some people who have lost everything, but they are so truly grateful to be alive and have their children with them. Some of them have never left N.O. their whole lives, all of them are dealing with medical issues brought on by poverty (asthma, diabetes, one woman hasn't a tooth left at all) but the positive will they have to get their feet back on the ground, to make something happen, is amazing. Not only that, but at least one family there had their car, which they left in N.O., hot-wired and taken. They didn't care, and not just because the "theif," as Bushco would have it, was one of the dad's baby's mama. As the dad said, "It's only a car, these people are surviving out there, and they can have what they want."

    Cheers to all the evacuee shelters and their volunteers! In the coming months, all the middle class white volunteers will experience a clash of cultures. It's going to happen. Just be prepared for it and learn from it and don't be sour about it. We are all brothers and sisters and we've spent some time apart; family get-togethers are never very simple anyway. Remember Ben Franklin: if we don't hang together, surely we will hang separately. We have been in the process of hanging separately since Reagan, and it's time we rebuild those bridges (and not some $450 million boondoggle in SE Alaska that will be ugly as sin and ruin the environs!)

    I'm outtie!

  •  Yesterday's DeLay nuggets (4.00)
    How about Tom DeLay:


    The House majority leader late Tuesday tried to deflect criticism of the federal response to Hurricane Katrina by saying "The emergency response system was set up to work from the bottom up," then announced a short time later that House hearings examining that response had been canceled.

    Rep. Tom DeLay, R-Texas, said House Republican leaders instead want a joint House-Senate panel set up to conduct a "congressional review" of the issue.

    Tempers flared Tuesday during a contentious closed-door meeting between House members and Cabinet secretaries in charge of directing Katrina relief efforts. A Republican representative stood up and said, "All of you deserve failing grades. The response was a disaster," CNN was told by lawmakers emerging from the meeting.

    But DeLay countered that assessment later in a news conference by saying that the onus for responding to emergencies fell to local officials.

    "It's the local officials trying to handle the problem. When they can't handle the problem, they go to the state, and the state does what they can to, and if they need assistance from FEMA and the federal government they ask for it and it's delivered," DeLay said.


    Sorry that doesn't collapse into a nice sound bite, but it's pretty despicable nonetheless.

    •  DeLay (4.00)
      ...the very name sums up the Fed's relief effort.

      • The president DeLayed cutting short his vacation.
      • The vice-president DeLayed leaving his Jackson, Wyoming duck hunting "fun."
      • The secretary of state DeLayed while dallying with Monica Seles and shopping for shoes.
      • Michael Brown DeLayed while waters rose.
      • Chertoff Delayed while Brown was drowning in his own ineptitude.
      • and now Delay wants to delay House investigations into all the DeLays.

      Just what our country needs now, Tom.  More delays.

      80W-71S
      The most un-American thing you can say is, "You can't say that." -G. Keillor

      by Eddie Haskell on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 07:19:01 AM PDT

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  •  JEERS to Rush Limbaugh (4.00)
    Well, just because. You know.

    But I just spotted a full page ad for Rush's radio program in the Sept 2, 2005 edition of Time Magazine. Headlines in the ad are "America's Anchorman" and "The Nation Trusts Rush".

    This is a first, at least for me. I've never seen his program advertised (which is not to say they haven't done it, just that I haven't seen it). With Rush's ratings in decline all over the map, it seems that they need to use some paid puffery.

    So here's a big old pppfffffffttttt!!!!!! to the old windbag.

    He has oil. He tried to kill my daddy.

    by kensa on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 06:36:42 AM PDT

  •  I've got one Cheer for ya (4.00)
    Cheers to the local paper re-printing the Times-Picayune's Open Letter To The President.

    Brings a smile to my face.
    Plus, the wingut LTEs will be entertaining as always.

    Peace out guys.

    PS: Please help my mojo... I long for TU status again!

  •  Presidentin' Is Hard Work (4.00)
    "My job is to protect the American people."
             - President George W. Bush
                  April 9, 2002
                  September 23, 2002
                  September 25, 2002
                  September 30, 2002
                  January 2, 2003
                  February 10, 2003
                  March 3, 2003
                  March 6, 2003
                  February 08, 2004
                  April 11, 2004
                  Oct. 31, 2004
                  etc, ad nauseum

    "I wake up every day thinking about how best to protect America. That's my job."
             - President George W. Bush
                  September 30, 2004

    "It's Hard Work."
             - President George W. Bush
                  September 30, 2004

    GOP: Invading personal privacy ©¿©¬ and proud of it!

    by PBen on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 06:40:49 AM PDT

  •  Armando, other lawyers: Suing Gretna (4.00)
    It seems to me that Gretna officials displayed grave indifference to human suffering. It seems as if they didn't even make any effort to get water to children, let alone help people get up onto dry land.

    I understand that government officials usually are immune from suits, but is there some way to sue the Gretna officials for whatever they still have left? And do you see any way for anyone to organize a class-action suit against any deep pockets, so that civil rights groups could bring in Milberg Weiss and those sorts of big class-action mills into the game?

    Example: are there any disaster planning companies that might be on the hook?

    Obviously, the best thing would be to bring criminal charges and lock up the Gretna officials forever. Barring that,  the next best thing would be to keep them in civil court hell for the rest of their natural lives.

  •  It's hump day already? (4.00)
    JEERS, permanent big freakin' JEERS to George Bush, Barbara Bush, Dick Cheney, Michael Brown, Michael Chertoff, Condi Rice, Karl Rove and the rest of his incompetent, corrupt, spin 'til other people die cronies.  May there be a special place in Hell for you.

    CHEERS to everyone everywhere who simply refuses to let Bushco get away with the "let's not play the blame game" game.  Wanna know why they won't play it?  Because they lose every single fucking time.

    CHEERS to everyday Americans who've opened their hearts, homes and wallets to Gulf Coast refugees.

    TEARS to Bob Denver, now on a permanent 3-hour tour of the great beyond with the Skipper and the Howells. Many years ago he came into the bait&tackle shop my dad owned.  My dad always said he was extremely gracious and even signed an autograph for me.  Wonder where that went?

    TEARS for a colleague's father, who is nearing the end of his battle with kidney cancer. CHEERS to the hospice caregivers who are helping the whole family.

    to end on a good note...

    CHEERS to live music.  If you're in the Boston area, there's this kickass band playing Friday night at a wonderful little Irish pub in Quincy. Yummy food, a perfectly pulled pint o' Guinness, and no cover if you want to come just to listen and dance to the music.  Mr Brillig a/k/a the Photographer Guy and I would love the company.

    I'll be at Velvet Elvis Friday 9/9 at Bad Abbot's in Quincy, MA. Will you?

    by brillig on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 06:48:59 AM PDT

    •  I'll miss Bob Denver (4.00)
      I enjoyed Gilligan's Island a lot.

      On the other hand, I heard a big wingnut bought it recently. Since these people worms are interchangeably the same, inhuman kind, I won't miss it. I just hope it sits in the deepest pit of Hell.

      Their privileged existence of wealthy debauchery had not prepared them for the next few moments. Carnacki

      by sersan on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 10:01:40 AM PDT

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  •  JEERS to all parents (4.00)
    who teach their children to fear and hate the poor and those of different colors.

    CHEERS to little Georgie W. Bush, who, we have it on good authority, asked several times about why some folks weren't rich like his family. The Beautiful Mind sent him to his room with a copy of Business Week, and once actually slapped him when he tried to give a quarter to a beggar in Newport.

    Poor George. He learned his lesson. As Ann Richards said, "He was born on third base, and thinks he hit a triple."

    Down, by God, but not out.

    by perro amarillo on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 06:49:54 AM PDT

  •  A Freeper on C-Span (4.00)
    this morning:  You people on C-Span only report from the liberal newspapers like the New York Times.  Why don't you go to the Free Republic to get the truth about what is really happening.

    If science proves facts that conflict with Buddhist understanding, Buddhism must change accordingly. " - The Dalai Lama

    by LynChi on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 06:51:19 AM PDT

  •  A really, really big cheer going out (4.00)
    CHEERS to everyone who has donated to The Rolling Duffel Project. And cheers to everyone who's read about it and is spreading the word.

    When we started this project with one rolling duffel bag here in Dallas last Friday, I never dreamed that by now, we'd have delivered 37 rolling duffel bags directly into the hands of evacuee families that were lugging their few belongings around in garbage bags. And we've got approximately 20 more heading out this afternoon!

    CHEERS to Ricky, who used to restore antique furniture in the French Quarter, but now lives at the evacuee shelter in Dallas. He started a new job yesterday!

    CHEERS to all of the evacuees I've had the pleasure to meet over the last five days. They're stronger, braver, kinder people that I can ever hope to be. I wish them the best for their uncertain futures.

    Oh well, I wasn't using that civil liberty anyway.

    by think2004 on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 06:56:24 AM PDT

  •  How about Tom DeLay (4.00)
    CNN reports that he said that the emergency response should be from the bottom up, and that Alabama and Mississippi (states with Republican governors) did a better job than Louisiana.  This as the House has cancelled hearings to investigate the emergency response.

    BIG JEERS to that jerk.

    "Who are the Britons?" "We're all Britons." Monty Python and the Holy Grail

    by klamothe on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 06:57:11 AM PDT

  •  Roger Morris's "Legacy of Neglect" (4.00)
    Legacy of Neglect

    By Roger Morris

    T he calamity was enormous, the toll in lives and ruin like nothing the country knew. Yet the ultimate disaster was in the staggering negligence of the government and its oblivious leader. Despite years of warnings and then the stark sight of suffering, help was disgracefully slow, too late for so many. "People must realize now," one witness wrote in her diary, "how rotten the structure has become." Long afterward, historians would think it a breaking point in trust, the moment when the future began.

    No, not the great New Orleans flood of 2005. The great Russian drought and famine of 1891. Not George W. Bush. But a similarly fey Nicholas II. Not a breaking point in America perhaps, though there are intriguing parallels.

    As most of the world knows, the grim search for the dead has now begun in New Orleans , and among the casualties already is much of the credibility of the Bush Administration. From startlingly bold coverage, the scenes of tragedy in picture and print are indelible: Frail old ladies slumped rag-doll dead across their wheelchairs. Lifeless babies in someone's helpless arms. Families on rooftops waving frantically and in vain. A hospital patient who could not be rescued amid the rising water and was euthanized by a desperate nurse -- "We're going to help him to heaven," she said to the sobbing young doctor who later told the story. Not least, the barely describable horror of thousands trapped and left in the Superdome, the enveloping squalor symbolic of the building's own squalid history as another of America 's coliseum monuments to public plunder for private greed.

    Then, of course, there were those other scenes: As sodden, long-neglected levees crumbled and a great city sank beneath the tide, President Bush flew off heedlessly to the West Coast to celebrate his triumphs of national security. As Americans begged to be taken from catastrophe, Vice-President Dick Cheney continued taking his vacation in Wyoming . As bloated corpses went floating on the flood, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice went shopping Fifth Avenue for a small fortune in shoes. Asked later her thoughts on the victims from her kindred South, the Secretary offered with her usual authority, "The Lord Jesus Christ is going to come on time. If we just wait."

    Like an old French graveyard upturned by the torrent, the history of the debacle near and far has come bobbing inescapably to the surface. There were chillingly graphic warnings for decades, of course, from the files of federal, state and local governments to the pages of National Geographic. Developers came to eat away the fragile shield of shoreline, but no funding came to shore up what everyone knew to be the last line of defense at the levees.

    It took five to six days for us to watch much of New Orleans die, the cries go silent, the rooftop begging vanish. But the real killing of the city took a quarter century and more. The Corps of Engineers budgets slashed and states starved by Washington's tax cuts for the wealthy, endless enriching of special interests, gathering orthodoxy of greed and abandonment of the common good -- all grotesquely garbed as conservatism or fiscal responsibility.

    It hardly began with George W. Bush and the Republicans. The oligarchy that left New Orleans to its fate for so many years of borrowed time was thoroughly bipartisan. The disaster could never have happened without the Democrats, from Congress after Congress to the spectacle of Bill Clinton last week adding his clubbish alibi for the inexcusable failure of a government to read its own files.

    Nor are we surprised to see racism lurking naked in policy and practice, or the regrettable atavism of the administration's primitive theology and its energy lobby accommodations that stoutly denied the global warming that may well have spawned Katrina. But no freedom from prejudice or ignorance now would have saved New Orleans from the criminal negligence of those decades that left a grindingly poor population at the mercy of decrepit dikes.

    Of course, the war on Iraq and those who perpetrated it must bear the blame for the atrocity in New Orleans. Of course national guardsmen were in Mesopotamia , not Mississippi where they belong. Of course helicopters were running gauntlets in a lost war, not rescuing our own lost souls. But the war that presents so ready and simple a target is only part of the larger disaster, and the eventual going of Mr. Bush only part of coming to terms with the far wider, longer misrule.

    Even then, hundreds, perhaps thousands, might still have been saved. A general of the Northern Command tells the BBC his relief force was in place over the precious final days, and was only awaiting presidential orders. The USS Bataan, it turns out, was offshore all along with vital help never mounted in time.

    But nothing could save New Orleans from the dithering incompetent crony bureaucrats and insensate politicians who together have been the inevitable, necessary accompaniment of the oligarchy. Thus the cruel joke of FEMA Director Michael Brown, the former horse association impresario entrusted with the lives of tens of thousands, easily matched by Republican Speaker of the House J. Dennis Hastert, the ex- wrestling coach as statesman, who helpfully suggested that much of New Orleans should be "bulldozed."

    All this, we should note, in a New Orleans already one of the poorest of America 's cities, a redolent casualty of the system long before Katrina. Where half the households make less than $28,000 a year, schools are a disgrace, the murder rate among the highest in the country, and a police force with more than 50 officers recently convicted of crimes. Into the cesspool of state politics will now pour at least $10-billion in federal aid with the same able bureaucrats and politicians overseeing it, adding appreciably to the "looting" of New Orleans .

    It all gives new meaning to Homeland Security. Katrina has shown us unmistakably that there are two homelands, two distinct versions of Security in 2005 America . As New Orleans symbolizes so vividly, the country has its high ground and low, its rescued and expendable. In health care, education, jobs and a dozen other ways, in the far-reaching meaning and impact of the war on Iraq , one homeland will be secure, the other left to face the century's floodtides alone.

    The plundering and heedlessness will go on as long as the system endures. Even now the blame is shifting to state and local officials. In the end, millions will believe, as millions already do, that the poor, thus benighted, city committed suicide -- and, in sentiment suitably muted, good riddance.

    I've worked with presidents Johnson and Nixon -- tough nuts but capable of changing their minds. Those in power in Washington now speak directly to God; I have no hope that Mr. Bush and Mr. Cheney are going to undergo some spontaneous conversion to a different way of thinking post-Katrina. What we can hope is that both Republicans and Democrats -- in the Congress and those contemplating running in 2008 -- sense the pressure for a major reversal of priorities, for troops to be brought home and resources reapportioned to true homeland security. And this pressure may just force the administration's fiercely grudging hand at least to begin the process.   A slim hope.

    And what of charming old New Orleans and environs, portal to a fourth of the nation's trade, refinery of every tenth tank of gas, that and more.  Perhaps foolishly rebuilt and wanly defended as the funds inevitably dwindle.   Perhaps turned into a Cajun Venice in a country where tourism is always a last resort.  

    In any case, it will be a busy autumn.  Supreme Court confirmations.  The Plame scandal indictments.  By Thanksgiving, between shots of feasting soldiers in Baghdad and turkey at the Crawford Ranch, the media should be showing smiling faces at the long-term shelters.

    But who knows? Somewhere, as in the tortured Russia of 1891 there may be a diarist recording, "People must realize now. .. .."  Perhaps somewhere in the suffering and stench, the seeming immunity of the misbegotten powerful, there really has been a breaking point, however difficult to see or feel. Perhaps another future has begun for America , after all.

    Roger Morris, who served on the National Security Council under presidents Lyndon Johnson and Richard Nixon, is the author of several acclaimed books, and is completing for Knopf   Shadows of the Eagle , a history of US policy and covert intervention in the Middle East and South Asia.

               

  •  More Good Quotes for Hall of Shame (4.00)
    "If and when the president decides to step it up and use active duty forces... we would be able to respond with any number of options."
    - Adm. Timothy Keating, commander of the US Northern Command on 8/31/05 (2 days after the hurricane struck)

    "I must say, this storm is much much bigger than anyone expected."
    - Michael Brown, FEMA Director, 8/31/05 on Larry King Live

    "To tell you the truth, I'd rather be in Iraq. You got your constant danger, but I had something to protect myself. Three meals a day. Communications. A plan. Here, they had no plan."
    - Sgt. Jason Defess, 9/1/05, a National Guard military policeman (who had been stationed on a ramp outside the Superdome since Monday and was deployed for 14 months until January).

    "I don't treat my dog like that,'' hurricane survivor Daniel Edwards as he pointed to a dead woman in a wheelchair at the Superdome.

    "He will certainly be coming back. I'm not able to tell you the day right now. I don't have that handy."
    - Spokesman for Vice President Dick Cheney in the Washington Post, 8/31/05, two days after the hurricane hit.

    "New Orleans now is abortion free. New Orleans now is Mardi Gras free. New Orleans now is free of Southern Decadence and the sodomites, the witchcraft workers, false religion -- it's free of all of those things now. God simply, I believe, in His mercy purged all of that stuff out of there."
    - Rev. Bill Shanks, pastor of New Covenant Fellowship of New Orleans, 9/2/05

    "That Americans would somehow in a color-affected way decide who to help and who not to help - I just don't believe it."
    - Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice on 9/2/05, after cutting short a vacation to New York, four days after the hurricane hit.

    "I am pleased with the federal government's response."
    - Sen. Trent Lott, 9/2/05.

    "We were prepared for one catastrophe," Chertoff said. "The second catastrophe, frankly, added a level of challenge that no one has seen before."
    - Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff on 9/3/05, speaking of the "unexpected" combination of both a hurricane and levee break in NO, despite decades of warnings of such an event.

    "We expected a lot more support from the federal government. We expected the government to respond within 24 hours. The first three days we had no assistance."
    - New Orleans deputy police commander W.S. Riley, 9/2/05

    "Beyond terrorism, this was the one event (a hurricane in New Orleans) I was most concerned with always."
    - Joe M. Allbaugh, the former Bush campaign manager and former FEMA director.

    "Out of the rubble of Trent Lott's house -- he's lost his entire house -- there's going to be a fantastic house. And I'm looking forward to sitting on the porch."
    - President George W. Bush on 9/2/05, during a tour of areas devastated by the hurricane.

  •  Jeers to the spin.... (4.00)
    I feel so sick to my stomach.

    Cheers to Oprah: No matter what one may think of her, she showed a whole buncha people things they had not seen yet. Let's hope they think.

    Cheers to the continued efforts of some very brave people to save lives.

    Cheers to the outpouring of people's assistance to take in those displaced.

    And cheers to my 10 year old who makes me laugh:After I danced to a live band at a work/family picnic he said to me: "Mom, on the way home we have to stop at Kwik Trip to get a farewell card....to give to your DIGNITY!"

    (Jeers to getting older.)

    "If you're going through hell, keep going". -Winston Churchill

    by One bite at a time on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 07:05:08 AM PDT

  •  Your Pootie Pic Du Jour... (4.00)

    Somewhere there's a pootie sitting in a pretty garden, which is a tranquil thought.

    ...You're Nobody Till Somebody Calls You A Nazi....

    by PhillyGal on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 07:06:06 AM PDT

  •  Another Shameful Quote (4.00)
    "Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Babineaux Blanco seemed uncertain and sluggish, hesitant to declare martial law or a state of emergency, which would have opened the door to more Pentagon help."

    - Newsweek (9/4/05). Actually, Gov. Blanco was not hesitant at all in declearing a state of emergency.  She did this on Aug. 26, 2005, three days before the hurricane struck.

  •  Literary arrow meets the target (4.00)
    CHEERS: To author Vikas Swarup and The New York Times Book Review of Sept. 4, which highlighted it, for quote from character in Swarup's novel "Q & A" as follows:

    "The brain is not an organ we are authorized to use."

    What are you trying to hide?

    by Caneel on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 07:09:53 AM PDT

  •  Well... (4.00)
    Cheers to all of you Kossacks for providing real and important information that I can't find via the MSM.

    Jeers to the person who decided to not let a Swedish Herc come to assist the Katrina victims with two water cleaning systems with personnel due to 'logistic problems' at the airports. It was packed and ready to fly the day after the disaster but is still on Swedish soil...

    Cheers from Sweden

    by frus on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 07:10:28 AM PDT

  •  A different jeer (4.00)
    Jeers to George W. Bush, oh for reasons too many to list here (besides, it's depressing).

    Today's jeer is for using the funeral of a Chief Justice for a political photo op.  The words will surely be written by someone else, calling Peggy Noonan, but maybe he won't be totally inappropriate and go "heh, heh, heh".

    "Lord what fools these mortals be." Shakespeare

    by outlanddish on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 07:10:39 AM PDT

  •  Hall of Shame (4.00)
    it certainly is, but has no one yet referred to this bunch as A Confederacy of Dunces???
  •  Philly Daily News Editorial - Fire FEMA Director (4.00)
    http://www.philly.com/mld/dailynews/12577979.htm

    "Here was a man who thought the rescue efforts were going well, even as dismayed and disgusted Americans watched people dying on rooftops, begging for help. Here was a clueless bureaucrat who didn't seem to believe the horror stories coming out of New Orleans convention center."

  •  Don't forget (4.00)
    the VICE PRESIDENT.

    Here is Dick Cheney expressing his concern and sympathy for the victims of the largest natural disaster in the history of this country:

    <crickets chirping>

  •  Hall of Shame needs music background (4.00)
    I need to hear some music in my head as I read it.  Any suggestions?

    "Every act of becoming conscious is an unnatural act." - Adrienne Rich

    by marjo on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 07:19:18 AM PDT

    •  I keep hearing that NFL films guy voice (4.00)
      and that stirring NFL Films music in the background as I read it. Maybe it's just me.
    •  Johnny Cash (4.00)
      THE MAN COMES AROUND
      And I heard, as it were, the noise of thunder: One of the four beasts saying: "Come and see." And I saw. And behold, a white horse.

      There's a man goin' 'round takin' names. An' he decides who to free and who to blame. Everybody won't be treated all the same. There'll be a golden ladder reaching down. When the man comes around.

      The hairs on your arm will stand up. At the terror in each sip and in each sup. For you partake of that last offered cup, Or disappear into the potter's ground. When the man comes around.

      Hear the trumpets, hear the pipers. One hundred million angels singin'. Multitudes are marching to the big kettle drum. Voices callin', voices cryin'. Some are born an' some are dyin'. It's Alpha's and Omega's Kingdom come.

      And the whirlwind is in the thorn tree. The virgins are all trimming their wicks. The whirlwind is in the thorn tree. It's hard for thee to kick against the pricks.

      Till Armageddon, no Shalam, no Shalom. Then the father hen will call his chickens home. The wise men will bow down before the throne. And at his feet they'll cast their golden crown. When the man comes around.

      Whoever is unjust, let him be unjust still. Whoever is righteous, let him be righteous still. Whoever is filthy, let him be filthy still. Listen to the words long written down, When the man comes around.

      Hear the trumpets, hear the pipers. One hundred million angels singin'. Multitudes are marchin' to the big kettle drum. Voices callin', voices cryin'. Some are born an' some are dyin'. It's Alpha's and Omega's Kingdom come.

      And the whirlwind is in the thorn tree. The virgins are all trimming their wicks. The whirlwind is in the thorn tree. It's hard for thee to kick against the pricks.

      In measured hundredweight and penny pound. When the man comes around.

      And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts, And I looked and behold: a pale horse. And his name, that sat on him, was Death. And Hell followed with him.

      This song was madly appropriate for the Day of the Dead remake. It plays in my head when I see pictures of New Orleans today.

      Cheers to kicking against the pricks.

      The sleep of reason produces monsters. Francisco Goya

      by Dire Radiant on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 07:52:57 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Rick Santorum (4.00)
    "We need tougher penalties against those who decide to ride it out."

    Why do they call him "Rick" when he's such a "Dick?"

    Go Buffs, beat the Aggies.

    "The people of this country, not special interest big money, should be the source of all political power." Paul Wellstone

    by Ralph on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 07:20:41 AM PDT

    •  hmm... it sounds like a lot of people didn't (4.00)
      'decide' to ride it out.  a lot of people went to the only place they could... the superdome.  and then they were told to stay there and help would be there....  and they waited.  for days!  btw.  i am listening to rhandi rhodes podcast from sept 6 that someone put on a diary somehwere.  
  •  Cheers to Anchors speaking their minds (4.00)
    From Brian Williams

    In a strange way, the most outrageous news pictures of this day may be those of progress: The palettes of food and water that have just been dropped at selected landing zones in the downtown area of New Orleans. It's an outrage because all of those elements existed before people died for lack of them: There was water, there was food, and there were choppers to drop both. Why no one was able to combine them in an air drop is a cruel and criminal mystery of this dark chapter in our recent history. The words "failure of imagination" come to mind. The concept of an air drop of supplies was one we apparently introduced to the director of FEMA during a live interview on Nightly News on Thursday evening. (Watch Brian's interview with FEMA Dir. Michael Brown from Sept. 1.) He responded by saying that he'd been unaware of the thousands gathered at the Convention Center.  Later that evening an incredulous Ted Koppel on ABC was left with no choice but to ask if the FEMA director was watching the same television coverage as the rest of the nation.

    Brian Williams blog

    Cheers to the arrival of evacuees here in DC.  Jeers that apparently no one is asking if they want to come first.  WaPo

    "What is hateful to thee, thou shalt not do unto thy neighbor. This is the whole of the Law, the rest is only commentary" Rabbi Hillel

    by modthinglet on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 07:26:44 AM PDT

  •  BIG CHEERS to Ted Koppel (4.00)
    For assisting in a rescue.
    Yes I think Peter Jennings would be proud of that, despite the ranter bashing him here.

    "Who are the Britons?" "We're all Britons." Monty Python and the Holy Grail

    by klamothe on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 07:26:52 AM PDT

  •  Thanks Bill [n/t] (4.00)
  •  Jeers to Geraldo Rivera... (4.00)
    ...(what else is new?)

    Keith Olbermann reported on Countdown last night (sorry, can't find the reference at msnbc.com) that Rivera "helped rescue" an elderly woman for the cameras, walking her some distance to get help, but then was dissatisfied with the take, so he made her walk all the way back to her place so that he could "assist" her again.

    •  oh is that what happened? (4.00)
      i didn't understand what that was about.  thanks.
    •  Geraldo lost it...or was it just me? (4.00)
      Although I'll be the first to jump in and criticize Geraldo for all of his over the top ego moves through the years, I was   caught off guard the other night (before the footage of the "rescue") when he was reporting on O'liely from the Convention Center.  He basically seemed to be sincerely melting down over what he was witnessing first hand.  In fact, it seemed to me that MSNBC deliberately cut away from him because of the raw emotion he was projecting.  Of course, not including the "rescue", I saw him briefly the other night and he was clearly on the "military as saviors" theme.  Oh well.
    •  He called Geraldo worst person in the world (4.00)
      Michael Jackson was second place with his fundraising song (apparently doesn't mention New Orleans at all), and Rush was third with the Katrina van der Heuvel comment.

      "Who are the Britons?" "We're all Britons." Monty Python and the Holy Grail

      by klamothe on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 12:51:41 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  DeLay (4.00)
    http://blog.dccc.org/mt/archives/003451.html

    The House majority leader late Tuesday tried to deflect criticism of the federal response to Hurricane Katrina by saying "the emergency response system was set up to work from the bottom up," then announced a short time later that House hearings examining that response had been canceled.

    Online Editor for the DCCC.

    by jesselee on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 07:36:18 AM PDT

  •  See the comments to this MeFi post (4.00)
    There's a whole bunch of disgusting quotes by various conservatives and wingnuts linked to in the comments to this post on Metafilter.
  •  Cheers to the profit motive (4.00)
    There will be a slight delay in reconstruction plans.  VP Chaney will be in NO tomorrow to speed up the allocation of rebuilding funds to Halliburton and other BushCo contributors.  

    With any luck, they'll be able to get L. Paul Bremer to oversee the project and steal everything that's not nailed down.  Perhaps there will be a second Medal of Freedom in the offing for Paul?

    With the opportunity for windfall profits in the air, rest assured there will be no five to seven day periods of indecisive dithering on Bush's part.

    Everything is funny as long as it is happening to somebody else. --Will Rogers

    by groggy on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 07:41:31 AM PDT

  •  Its PAYBACK time (4.00)
    They lie.  They cheat.  They smear.  They kill.  They neglect.  They steal.  They oppress.  They destroy.

    We sit back and hope for a better future as men with dead, dark hearts of evil destroy our country and our world and laugh like hyenas at our impotence.

    No more.

    "Hope" ain't gonna cut it.  Its time to do something.  Its time to rise up and do whatever it takes to wrest control of this nation from the jackals who have made clear their intention to destroy it.

    If not us, who?  If not now, when?

    Its time for revolution.  Love it or leave it, patriots.

  •  Cheers! to good karma (4.00)
    Several nations in the Indian Ocean that were hit hard by last December's tsunami have made donations of money and resources to aid the victims of Hurricane Katrina.  Probably the most touching was the donation of $25,000 and offers of medical assistance from Sri Lanka, a country with limited resources still struggling to rebuild their own country.

    The American people love the Home Shopping Network because it's commercial-free. -- Will Durst

    by John H on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 07:47:37 AM PDT

  •  Left Coast C&J -- Non-Katrina Edition (4.00)
    While we're all concerned about the folks in the Gulf Coast (dual victims of Katrina and government incompetence), there's a lot of other stuff going on...

    CHEERS to the California Legislature for doing the right thing and voting to allow gay and lesbian couples to marry...and as a bonus turning up the political heat on Ahnold the Governator. Does he sign it and risk the wrath of the Religious Reich in Cahleefourneea, or veto it and show himself as just another Republican right-winger? (And I hope all those couples who got married in San Francisco get a freebee their second time around...)

    JEERS to the storm magnet. Ophelia is now heading towards Florida. And what do you bet that Bush will order FEMA to drop what they're doing in New Orleans and go bail out Jeb!'s butt? [What the Religious Reich won't consider...if Katrina was retribution for immorality, aren't all the storms hitting Florida a sign that God's still pissed over the 2000 and 2004 elections?]

    JEERS to trying to take over the world. Micro$oft is now taking aim at Intuit by creating a competing product to QuickBooks. (Wish I had mad Photoshop skills to portray Bill Gates as The Brain.) Well, if you want your accounting software to crash every couple of days...go for it...

    JEERS to undetected problems. 49ers linebacker Thomas Herrion apparently had some major heart issues that led to his death. Maybe this will lead to more thorough examiniations for sports folks...and at least it'll shut up any whispers about steroids...

    CHEERS and TEARS -- So long, little buddy...

    JEERS to additional smoking side effects. Smokers are twice as likely to suffer macular degeneration late in life as non-smokers. If you can't read this, put down the butts...

    And finally, CHEERS to BiPM and all you fine folks, just because I can (at least till Patriot Act XX goes through). Have a great day...

    "It's an unnerving thought that we may be the living universe's supreme achievement and its worst nightmare simultaneously." -- Bill Bryson

    by Cali Scribe on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 07:48:19 AM PDT

  •  Jeers to George Bush (4.00)
    for sending Laura and all his family members and all his cronies for more photo ops in the stricken area.  Now Laura is going to help with the education of the refugee kids.  

    Tell her to stay the fuck away!  Every time one of them comes for a photo op, everything stops and nothing gets done.  

    It's too late George.  Laura can't save your butt this time; no one can.  

    Hey, maybe he'll send Jenna and non-Jenna to the French Quarter for a couple of drinks to toast the survivors.  it's only a matter of time.

    "Every act of becoming conscious is an unnatural act." - Adrienne Rich

    by marjo on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 07:51:22 AM PDT

  •  Is everybody forgetting Patrick Rhode? (4.00)
    I did a search on this thread, and was surprised it does not seem to include the notorious quote from Patrick Rhode, Deputy Director of FEMA (and former TV anchor): "this has been probably one of the most efficient and effective responses in the country's history."
  •  VA late C&J - All Katrina All The Time (4.00)
    CHEERS to the three college students who, moved by humanity, got in their car from Duke University and headed to New Orleans.  Faced with not being allowed in, they stole a press pass and, from the checkpoint (which they got through), went to the Convention Center and pickup up 7 people and moved them to safety.  CYHEERS also for the questions they are asking - if three college students took 20 minutes in a Hyundai to get from a checkpoint to the Convention Center, what's FEMA's excuse??  I have hope for the future.

    CHEERS for Iconoclast, who maintains a personal blog with what is, so far, a definitive timeline (stretching back to 2002) of Katrina-related events.  He granted me permission to post a diary of his information.  Visit it - get this guy's work noticed on dKos.  It's awesome.

    JEERS to the Federal government for making 501(c)3 regulations SO COMPLEX that charities, who welcome donations, can't sponsor or participate in fundraisers on their behalf.  WTF??

    The revolution is coming... and we ARE the revolution. Katrina Relief Diary-$14K+ and counting

    by RenaRF on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 07:54:21 AM PDT

  •  For Those Who Voted Red (4.00)

    Under every stone lurks a politician. Aristophanes

    by Finnean on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 08:00:45 AM PDT

  •  McClellan: Highest Lifetime BS Average (4.00)
    He stood there at his press gaggle yesterday endlessly bleating on about the "blame game" that the mean 'ol media and the libruls were trying to play.

    Scott, it's called "accountability". Your boss was real big on accountability when he was running for office. Mysteriously, it's now morphed into the blame game.

    Can we take the fact that McClellan was not struck dead by a bolt of lightning as he stood mouthing this obscene spin as proof that there is no god?

  •  Jeers (4.00)
    KATRINA'S AFTERMATH
    FEMA Wants No Photos of Dead
    From Reuters

    NEW ORLEANS -- The U.S. agency leading Hurricane Katrina rescue efforts said Tuesday that it does not want the news media to photograph the dead as they are recovered.

    The Federal Emergency Management Agency, heavily criticized for its slow response to the devastation caused by the hurricane, rejected journalists' requests to accompany rescue boats searching for storm victims.
     An agency spokeswoman said space was needed on the rescue boats.

    "We have requested that no photographs of the deceased be made by the media," the spokeswoman said in an e-mail.

  •  They have no shame (4.00)
    Government failed at all levels, but FEMA failed more pervasively and mischievously. Consider this
    •  FEMA refuses Amtrak's help in evacuations
    •  FEMA turns away experienced firefighters
    •  FEMA turns back Wal-Mart supply trucks
    •  FEMA prevents Coast Guard from delivering diesel fuel
    •  FEMA won't let Red Cross deliver food
    •  FEMA blocks 500-boat citizen flotilla from Lafayette delivering aid
    Read Craig's List:
    September 4, 2005 -- Reports continue that communications in and around New Orleans are being purposely jammed (and severed) by the US government (see Sep. 2 article below). The jamming is having an adverse impact on emergency, disaster recovery, and news media communications. The jamming is even affecting police radio frequencies in Jefferson Parish, according to an Australian news report. The President of Jefferson Parish Aaron Broussard told Meet the Press today that FEMA cut his parish's emergency communications lines and he had to have his sheriff restore the severed lines and post armed deputies to ensure that FEMA did not try to cut the communications lines again. Broussard's statement: "Yesterday--yesterday--FEMA comes in and cuts all of our emergency communication lines. They cut them without notice. Our sheriff, Harry Lee, goes back in, he reconnects the line. He posts armed guards on our line and says, 'No one is getting near these lines.'"

    These are not unnamed sources. Aaron Broussard and Harry lee are alive and should be able to substantiate their allegations. If they can't, maybe they should be fined or punished. Assuming that they can, a special prosecutor must be named- The idea that President Bush will investigate his political buddies is ludicrous. I'm already angry that Halliburton has been named to help in the cleanup. What about FEMA directing contributions to Operation Blessing- Pat Robertson's corrupt entity? This sounds like graft to me.

    Saying that FEMA people acted in a criminal manner does not absolve the city and state governments, which screwed up in multiple ways. Everybody has acted as if long term planning is an oxymoron. Bremer, Brown and Rumsfeld are among the most incompetent and corrupt managers in history. Bremer delivered massive contracts to Halliburton in iraq, Rumsfled delivered same and now FEMA is accepting its duty to help Halliburton expand its domestic activities.

  •  Jeers (4.00)
    To Dick 'I'm behind the curtain' Cheney for not even trying to show some humanity.
    Where have you been Dick?  Without terrorists,  this doesn't rate on the 'I'm interested' meter?

    /rude

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    •  he was busy shopping (4.00)
      from Maureen Dowd:

      The vice president has at long last lumbered back from a Wyoming vacation, and, reportedly, from shopping for a $2.9 million waterfront estate in St. Michael's, a retreat in the Chesapeake Bay where Rummy has a weekend home, where "Wedding Crashers" was filmed and where rich lobbyists hunt.

      Just because you're self-righteous doesn't mean you're not a hypocrite.

      by AMcG826 on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 08:18:12 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  Dick's just laying low, keeping his powder dry (4.00)
      Ya' never know when a mallard might fly over that might need shootin'.

      Special message to the Veep:
      You're all dead ducks, Dick.  All of you.

      80W-71S
      The most un-American thing you can say is, "You can't say that." -G. Keillor

      by Eddie Haskell on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 08:42:57 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  More Matthews (4.00)
    [Asa] HUTCHINSON [(hack)]: No matter how much you prepare for a disaster, it is always worse than what you expect. I mean, this is -- whenever you look at this hurricane coming in, they downgraded the level of it. No one expected this kind of...

    MATTHEWS: Sure. It went from 5 to 4 to 3 to 2, and then boom.

    MATTHEWS: If we're talking about a war on terrorism, don't we have to be ready for the use of FEMA and Homeland Security for the real thing?

    Both quotes from Hardball (8/31/05)

  •  the slow long slog towards insanity. (4.00)
    We never had any indication that someone would fly a plane into the World Trade Center.  We know exactly where the weapons of mass destruction are located.  These countries are evil.  These countries are irrelevent.  We need to ignore the United Nations and go to war to enforce United Nations resolutions.  We need to clear the forest to protect it.  

    Noone could have anticipated the levees breaching. We're working very hard, it's very hard work.  It's... well, it's very hard and we're working, but noone could have anticipated this.

    __

    The Bush Administration: We've still destroyed more cities in other countries than in our own!

    The Bush Administration: The buck stops in an indisclosed location.

    The Bush Administration: We figured out to help the American people lose weight- starve tens of thousands of them for a week.

    ok, after writing that last one, I'm beginning to think  it's in bad taste.  sorry.

    "I have no country to fight for: my country is the earth, and I am a citizen of the world." - Eugene V. Debs

    by NeilDB on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 08:12:32 AM PDT

  •  FEMA killing pets... and people (4.00)
    "Miller of Dutchtown, a volunteer who navigated his flat bottom boat down the flooded streets trying to persuade residents to leave.

    "But FEMA has told us we cannot take the pets. They told that we could not take one cat or dog in our boats," Miller said. "It's a stupid rule. More people are going to die because of that.""

    http://www.2theadvocate.com/stories/090705/new_evac001.shtml

    •  I couldn't leave my dogs & cats behind (4.00)
      They'd have to shoot me because no way would I leave my pets to certain death. I can understand why some folks are staying for their pets. I saw a guy rescued who had to leave his dog behind. To leave a companion like that must be agonizing. Yet another example of compassionate conservatism I guess.
      •  Leaving pets behind (4.00)
        I had this conversation with my Dad yesterday, when I  nervously saw "Ophelia" develop on the radar, and my parents are possibly in the path.  Now what? I asked them.

        "I'm not leavin'," Dad asserted resolutely.  

        "Why not, Dad?  Haven't you learned anything from the Katrina disaster?"

        "I'm not leavin' my pets.  No way.  I'll stay right here with 'em."

        Huh??  I got Mom on the phone.  She confirmed that is his stance and will be, come hell or high water, which in Katrina's path, was both.

        My family has evacuated with the pet entourage before.  The animals know the drill.  I think my Dad has been frightened and horrified by what he's seen happen with the New Orleans evacuations.  

        There has to be a compassionate way for people's pets to be evacuated with them.  There has to be.  As my Mom said, "These animals are family members, too."  

        I guess some people would feel so much despair over the cruelty of leaving their pets to a horrible death that they would rather not live either.  I can understand that.  I can.

  •  don't foget little ricky (4.00)
    Senator Rick Santorum: "I mean, you have people who don't heed those warnings and then put people at risk as a result of not heeding those warnings. There may be a need to look at tougher penalties on those who decide to ride it out and understand that there are consequences to not leaving."

    Just because you're self-righteous doesn't mean you're not a hypocrite.

    by AMcG826 on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 08:16:03 AM PDT

    •  ASK Sanoturum if he tried saving embryos (4.00)
      and fetuses in pregnnt woman who were drowning.

      Santorum is not human.

      REMEMBER PEOPLE SHOULD CALL SENATORS AND EXPRESS THEIR OUTRAGE AND DEMAND ACCOUNTABILITY. MENTION THAT ANY SENATOR THAT DOES NOT DENOUNCE BUSH WILL BE VOTED OUT

      PUT FEAR IN THEM THE WAY THE ADMIN HAS US

      any one can email me for info on calling.

      epszen@oal.com

  •  They are trying (4.00)
    to defend the indefensible. It's going to sink them.

    government policies have real consequences in people's lives

    by Debby on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 08:19:01 AM PDT

  •  My ears bleed... (4.00)
    How can these fuckers look themselves in the frickin' mirror?

    There must be some really good benefits to selling your soul to the highest bidder.

    I don't know about you, but where I sit, there ain't no more Federal Government.

    "Botched? What is that? The word of the Day?."

    by seronimous on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 08:25:05 AM PDT

    •  Re: My Ears Bleed... (4.00)
      This never seems to be a problem for the undead.  Remember that these are the same people that brought you the "Dominican "Republic "And "Central American "Union "Labor "Avoidance" trade agreement.  

      Belated Jeers to that, by the way.

      Contrary to popular belief, the Customer is occasionally wrong, and never Right.

      by Mr Customer on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 10:41:45 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Shame: Clinton shores up Bush to protect Hillary (4.00)
    From the New York Times yesterday:
    While officials in both parties said they had no doubt that both men were first and foremost intent on helping Americans, they also took note of the web of political benefits spun by this burgeoning alliance. It helps Mr. Bush during the roughest time of his presidency, Mr. Clinton as he tries to establish himself as a respected and admired former president and Mrs. Clinton as she potentially prepares to run for president in 2008.

     

    Senator Hillary Clinton says of her husband:


    He is no longer in politics.

    As I recall, that didn't work for the spouses of John McCain, Howard Dean, or John Kerry. And none of them was a former US President in position to show Democratic leadership in a crisis.

  •  Neal Boortz (4.00)
    here's a doozy. A couple of guys sent it too me at work, which just finally proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that they are heartless bastards, and idiots.

    Now the Focus is on the Poor

    OK .. now this needs to be said.   All weekend long we heard about what we didn't do for the poor in New Orleans.  Why isn't someone talking about what the poor didn't do for themselves?

    What we saw in New Orleans was, in some part, the poor demonstrating the very behavior that made them poor in the first place, and the behavior that keeps them poor.  We saw a complete and utter lack of self sufficiency and sense of responsibility.  It was as if they had no sense of responsibility for their own safety.  Did they deserve help?  Of course!  That's the role of government, and it's clear that the Mayor of New Orleans did next to nothing to make sure that the poorest citizens had a way out.  But somewhere along the line someone has to recognize that the so-called poor do have some responsibility for their own lives and their own safety.

    Drudge reminded us today about a story that was published in the New Orleans Times-Picayune on July 24th.  That's about a month before the hurricane hit.  The story said that city, state and federal emergency officials had a blunt warning for the residents of New Orleans.  If there's a major hurricane, and you don't evacuate, "you're on your own."  Here's part of that story:

    "In scripted appearances being recorded now, officials such as Mayor Ray Nagin, local Red Cross Executive Director Kay Wilkins and City Council President Oliver Thomas drive home the word that the city does not have the resources to move out of harm's way an estimated 134,000 people without transportation."

    "In the video, made by the anti-poverty agency Total Community Action, they urge those people to make arrangements now by finding their own ways to leave the city in the event of an evacuation.

    "You're responsible for your safety, and you should be responsible for the person next to you," Wilkins said in an interview. "If you have some room to get that person out of town, the Red Cross will have a space for that person outside the area. We can help you."

    There you go ... the warning was made.  Evidently many decided to ignore the warning.  That now somehow becomes Bush's fault.

    Even though I know of their sarcasm-unawareness, I still couldn't resist responding:

    What lazy morons. Let them die by the thousands I say. If they just won't take responsibility for themselves and just go out and buy themselves a car so they could leave the city and stay in a hotel somewhere safe. We might as well just let them rot if they refused to do something as simple as that. And if they're so poor they can't afford a car, or train, plain or bus fare and a hotel room for months, then we don't even need to worry about them to begin with because they're not worth anything anyway. Right?

    As O'Reilly said,
    "Moral of the story: People were warned to get out. Those who stayed paid a price for that decision. If you rely on the government, you're likely to be disappointed. No government can protect you or provide for you. You have to do it yourself. If a Category 5 story is headed your way, get out fast."

    I like Senator Rick Santorum's  (R-PA) idea of fining those who stayed behind, "tougher penalties" he calls them.

    Or Barbara Bush's quote when touring the Astro Dome in Houston, " What I'm hearing which is sort of scary is that they all want to stay in Texas. Everybody is so overwhelmed by the hospitality. And so many of the people in the arena here, you know, were underprivileged anyway so this (chuckle)--this is working very well for them."  

    Yeah, these poor people should just be fined what little they have left because this'll all just turn out better for them anyway because of bleeding heart liberals who want to actually just give them stuff like clothes and food. Idiots.

    Compassionate Conservatism says we should just let churches and private organizations take care of them, rescue them, maybe for a fee. If they can't pay it, that's the evolution of the marketplace. Less poor people.

    Unfortunately, they didn't seem to get the sarcasm and just praised me for finally having a sensible opinion.

    Plane Crazy
    Seething, and never reading one of their emails again.

    "It is hard to fight anger, for a man will buy revenge with his soul." Heracleitus, 500 BCE

    by PlaneCrazy on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 08:25:41 AM PDT

    •  Glad I wasn't there (4.00)
      to experience Boortz's remarks in person.  I'd be in jail now and for a long, long time to come.  The good thing would be that the radio powers-that-be might be able to find someone with some goddamned human decency to take Boortz's suddenly-empty time slot.
    •  From the Unintentionally Wise Statements dept. (4.00)
      Neal Boortz:  Here's a doozy...

      Truer words were never said.  It should be at the top of his résumé.

      Contrary to popular belief, the Customer is occasionally wrong, and never Right.

      by Mr Customer on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 10:46:28 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Saddest of all ... (4.00)
    National Hurricane Center Director Max Mayfield as quoted in the St. Petersburg Times:

    http://www.sptimes.com/2005/08/30/State/For_forecasting_chief.shtml

    On Saturday night, Mayfield was so worried about Hurricane Katrina that he called the governors of Louisiana and Mississippi and the mayor of New Orleans. On Sunday, he even talked about the force of Katrina during a video conference call to President Bush at his ranch in Crawford, Texas.

    "I just wanted to be able to go to sleep that night knowing that I did all I could do," Mayfield said.

    What are you trying to hide?

    by Caneel on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 08:34:00 AM PDT

  •  and Fuck Barbara Boxer's office (4.00)
    when I called them in DC and asked where she stood on an investigation -- the receptionist said that she hasn't issued a statement and doesn't know if she will.

    The Moral Majority is neither.

    by Barbara H on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 08:46:42 AM PDT

    •  Needs to be highlighted (4.00)
      Since Boxer has used dKos to further herself, we need to hold her accountable.

      Is it possible to get more jaded than we already are?  Yes, unfortunately.

      •  Boxer's DC phone number is: (4.00)
        (202) 224-3553  

        Please call her office and ask them WHEN she is going to DEMAND AN INVESTIGATION!  

        I've had it with this BULLSHIT!

        The Moral Majority is neither.

        by Barbara H on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 09:25:06 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  A REPRIEVE FOR BOXER: (4.00)
          for now, she gets a reprieve.  (Thank God she finally said something.)  

          I just got this Mass emailing from Boxer. (I'm one of her Constituents.)   She says she wants "accountability."  Let's see if she follows through.  I am watching her.  Closely.

          Her email:

          Dear Barbara,

          Hundreds of thousands of our own fellow citizens are now homeless.  Entire communities, including the vibrant and historic city of New Orleans, have been shattered.  Worst, the magnitude of loss of life appears to be in the thousands.

          The immense human tragedy left in the wake of Hurricane Katrina challenges us to respond as never before to help our fellow Americans in need.  Please help in any way that you can, particularly by donating to Habitat for Humanity and many other worthy charitable organizations.  They are on the frontlines providing vital disaster relief services to Katrina survivors throughout the Gulf Coast states, and will need millions of dollars in order to feed, clothe and house victims over the coming months.

          Given the need for additional troops to respond to this disaster -- and the distress of soldiers from the affected region -- I have asked President Bush to immediately recall National Guard troops currently stationed in Iraq who are from the Gulf Coast.  The local knowledge of these troops will prove vital in continuing rescue operations.

          Please join me today in urging the President to immediately bring home all National Guard troops from the affected Gulf Coast region.

          It is not yet known how many lives could have been saved with a more effective federal response to this disaster.  A nation that has the resources to send troops door-to-door looking for terrorists in Iraq certainly surely could have sent them door-to-door to evacuate our poor, sick, and elderly neighbors in New Orleans.  Yet, each new tale of horror makes the failure of the response plain.

          President Bush has termed what happened on the ground in the Gulf Coast as "unacceptable."  And he should.

          But what is also unacceptable to me is that the head of the Federal Emergency Management Agency has absolutely no experience in disaster relief.  It is unacceptable to me that after four years of being told that our homeland security is improving, the system utterly failed its first test.  It is unacceptable to me that an untold number of people died or were needlessly traumatized in the horror of the Superdome and New Orleans Convention Center because of a chaotic federal response.

          There will be another word I will focus on in coming days:  accountability.  Congress must hold hearings to find out what went wrong and make sure it gets fixed.  And the federal officials whose ineptitude contributed to this disaster will have to explain themselves to Congress and the American people.

          In the meantime, I will be introducing a plan to help put the people of the Gulf Coast back to work by hiring those who are displaced for the rebuilding effort.  The Gulf Coast will once again be a beautiful place to live and work, but it will take the combined work and energy of all of us.

          Thank you again for any help you can provide to the victims of this terrible disaster.  Our friends and neighbors throughout the Gulf Coast are counting on us to stand with them in the coming days, and we cannot let them down.

          In Friendship,

          Barbara Boxer

          --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

          The Moral Majority is neither.

          by Barbara H on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 12:07:16 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

  •  awesome compilation (4.00)
    Nice work Bill - you have a gift.

    Even my Kbunkport Republican boss is getting disgusted by what is happening. We've all been asking - what does it take to wake people up?  Unfortunately maybe it takes this.

    Watched Wide angle with Bill Moyers last night on Haiti. Absolute poverty and lack of infrastructure. Political and economic corruption is everywhere. Elections are always suspect and contested by the loser. The people are cut adrift in their land.

    look here - http://www.pbs.org/wnet/wideangle/

    Here's a question for you - which is better - the corruption and incompetence we have in the US with the veneer of "orderliness" and normalcy - or full awareness of this corruption and active response?  I know this isn't the only difference between us and Haiti, but the question occurred to me.

    The thought has also occurrd to me that I am one very fortunate person with a life that most people would envy. And I'm thankful for that. Time to make a donation here - http://www.redcross.org

  •  GOP (4.00)
    I'm really beginning to wonder if the Bush administration is intentionally being incompetent to convince people that federal bureaucracy is bad thereby reducing the size of the federal government.

    It all fits into the GOP theme - the red tape, the overlapping of levels of government getting in the way, the claims that those in NOLA are stuck because they can't help themselves due to being part of the welfare state.

    "Republicans are the party that say government is bad, then when elected, prove it."
    -P.J. O'Rourke

  •  Picture... Thousand Words (3.90)
    Image hosted by Photobucket.com

    I think the look on this little girl's face just about sums it up. Don't you?

    Help! Help! I'm being repressed!

    by angelama on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 08:55:32 AM PDT

  •  Cheers (4.00)
    to Viggo Mortensen
     link http://percevalpress.com/home.html?-session=pp_sc:7417416A48AEC2E1A87F4041084EF601

    "Impeach, Remove, Jail
    In the often and rightly quoted words of Bill Clinton, "There's nothing wrong with America that can't be fixed by what's right with America." We see now how individuals and groups around the country continue to act in any way they can to help their fellow citizens in Louisiana, Mississippi and other devastated places near the Gulf of Mexico. They refuse to stand idly by and wait for President Bush and his morally-bankrupt, pirate administration to respond in an appropriately urgent and compassionate manner to the escalating agony and desperation of our fellow citizens. As we know, this agony and desperation was caused in large part by a near complete absence of adequate federal government funding, preparedness, and leadership. We the people will continue to help Americans and non-Americans alike, with or without the participation or approval of George W. Bush and his Neo-Conservative cohorts. While it is true that what is most important right now is to rescue, feed, house, and in any way possible care for those immediately affected by the disaster, it is equally true that in the long run those directly responsible for aggravating the tragic situation must be held accountable. The mounting evidence of the Bush administration's criminal mismanagement of the nation, as well as its consistently arrogant disregard for our planet's people and natural environments must be confronted immediately. Those who voted for Bush last year, or who have continually supported his outlaw administration in its destructively dishonest conduct -- including not only extremist conservatives but also politically-calculating democrats -- need not hang their heads or avert their eyes now. What they can and ought to do is join the increasing numbers of Americans who are demanding that impeachment proceedings be initiated as soon as possible. Members of the Bush Administration responsible for the blatant lies and self-serving manipulations that have fanned the flames of disaster from Iraq to New Orleans must be prosecuted as our laws require. We must insist on this. Furthermore, we must not allow these disgracefully unpatriotic public servants to be pardoned by any future president as Gerald Ford did for Richard Nixon. Please call or write your government representatives and help get the scoundrels out of government and in prison where they belong. Do not allow the subject to be changed, do not be distracted. The time to act is now. Take back your country.
          - Viggo Mortensen. "

    Ok I know he's an artist, it's Hollywood, but every voice needs to be raised, especially the most eloquent.

  •  Expand Goldberg's entries (4.00)
    in the Hall of Shame to include his revolting display of "humor" about the evauations in the first hours of the disaster, and then his subsequent pathetic, half-assed non-apology for that "humor" as the pictures and stories started coming out of New Orleans.

    I am on the world's slowest dialup, so I can't search easily. But there were several dKos diaries that commented on this, with links to the original posts at NRO.

    "America has left the building." --Jeff Wells

    by Hastur on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 10:42:14 AM PDT

  •  Excuse me??!! (4.00)
    Just opened a mass email from a federal agency our non-profit works with:

    Dear Colleague,

    The country observes the second annual National Preparedness Month 2005 this September, an event cosponsored by the Department of Homeland Security and the American Red Cross. During this time, public and private agencies work together to highlight the importance of citizen emergency preparedness.

    Irony, anyone?

    "You have to accept whatever comes and the only important thing is that you meet it with courage and with the best you have to give." -- Eleanor Roosevelt

    by marylrgn on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 11:17:30 AM PDT

  •  thanks for doing this.... (4.00)
    ...it just raised my blood pressure to read them all at once, but thanks...

    There are many who lust for the simple answers of doctrine or decree. They are on the left and right. They are terrorists of the mind. -- A. Bartlett Giamatti

    by FemiNazi on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 11:22:45 AM PDT

  •  Jeers and tears (4.00)
    There's more in the great time line on Times on Line (Times of London):

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,23889-1769493,00.html

    Monday, Aug. 29 -- Michael Brown, the director of the Federal Emergency Management Agency (Fema), reminds fire and rescue services outside Louisiana, Mississippi and Alabama not to send in emergency workers unless they are specifically requested. During the hurricane, the level of Lake Pontchartrain rises 4ft.

    Wed., Aug. 31 -- Michael Brown, the director of the Federal Emergency Management Agency (Fema), says the storm caused the kind of damage the agency was expecting and that plans were in place: "That category four hurricane caused the same kind of damage that we anticipated. So we planned for it two years ago. Last year, we exercised it. And unfortunately this year, we're implementing it."

    Thurs., Sept. 1 -- President Bush tells American television that the force of the storm and the breaching of the levees caught planners by surprise: "I don't think anybody anticipated the breach of the levees. They did appreciate a serious storm but these levees got breached and as a result much of New Orleans is flooded and now we're having to deal with it and will."

    Sat., Sept. 3 -- Michael Chertoff, the head of the Department for Homeland Security, which oversees Fema, says: "There has been, over the last few years, some specific planning for the possibility of a significant hurricane in New Orleans with a lot of rainfall, with water rising in the levees and water overflowing the levees."

    Mon., Sept. 4 -- Mr Chertoff tells journalists that Hurricane Katrina was a "breathtaking surprise" and says it was "that perfect storm of a combination of catastrophes [that] exceeded the foresight of the planners, and maybe anybody's foresight."

    Mr Chertoff said that planners were prepared for an "overflow from the levee, maybe a small break in the levee" but "the collapse of a significant portion of the levee leading to the very fast flooding of the city was not envisioned."

    Tues., Sept. 6 -- Mr Mayfield (director, National Hurricane Center, disputes the comments of Mr Chertoff and Mr Brown: "They knew that this one was different. I don't think Mike Brown or anyone else in Fema could have any reason to have any problem with our calls... They were told... We said the levees could be topped."

     

    What are you trying to hide?

    by Caneel on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 11:55:59 AM PDT

  •  comment add please (none)
    Michael
    Chertoff's comment about the "..city of Louisiana..."
  •  Ladies and gentlemen, (4.00)
    C&Jers everywhere...CHEERS to Robby Ginepri who has just reached the semifinals of the U.S. Open, defeating the identifiably Latino-looking 8th seed, Guillermo Coria of Argentina, in 5 sets. Ginepri will play the winner of the Agassi-Blake match this evening, ensuring an American in the final vs. (80% probability) Federer. Things are working out so well for CBS, it's not funny.
    One women's semifinal is Cijsters-Sharapova and the other is Pierce-(winner of Davenport/Dementieva. I give it to Lindsay, but you never know).
    JEERS to the evil super-tiebreaker. The mixed doubles finalists will each have played at least one evil super-tiebreaker. The ATP is experimenting with this for the men's doubles. Please write them nasty letters.
    CHEERS to the Red Sox pulling out gaining a game on the Evil Empire last night.

    "If I am not for myself, who will be for me? If I am only for myself, who am I? And if not now, when?" (Hillel was a liberal)

    by 4jkb4ia on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 03:48:52 PM PDT

  •  More Scotty BS (none)
    From Sept. 1 press briefing:

    "Flood control has been a priority of this administration from day one."

  •  Note: I don't actually hate Nader voters, (none)
    even if they live in Florida, but I do think that any sincere Nader leaders have really been misled. Al Gore might not be as progressive as Naderites would like, but he's sensible and open to hearing from others, and there's no way any honest person could accuse Dubya of being sensible or open.

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