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By Armando. Edited.

This was diaried earlier, but here is the transcript.  

Kyra Phillips was clearly shilling for the administration, and that is an important story. But Pelosi was not taking any shit from her.

And Phillips seemed to come around in the end.

Go Nancy!

PHILLIPS: But if you, if we go back, I mean, we can go back year after year after year, and we can talk about FEMA and what went wrong within FEMA and should FEMA be under the Department of Homeland Security. But if we want to be historical here, and we want to go back in time, I mean, we can go back to "The Times Picayune" and the investigation that it -- when it -- when reporters revealed that time after time, monies were asked for from all types of various politicians, of the politicians you worked side by side with, laws that you yourself vote on, and monies that should have gone to Louisiana to take care of the problems with regard to the flood control systems.

And I think it's unfair that FEMA is just singled out. There are so many people responsible for what has happened in the state of Louisiana.

PELOSI: Well, that's true. That is true. And I'm sorry that you think it's unfair. But I don't. I think it's unfair to the people who lost their family members, their lives, their livelihoods, their homes, their opportunity.

And FEMA has done a poor job. It had no chance. It was (INAUDIBLE)...

PHILLIPS: But what about all those warnings...

PELOSI: ... may I please respond?

PHILLIPS: What about all the warnings from the Army Corps of Engineers...

PELOSI: But the Army Corps of Engineers...

PHILLIPS: ... years ago, saying there's a problem with these levees, there's a problem with this city.

PELOSI: Kyra, Kyra, Kyra...

PHILLIPS: It's Kyra. It's Kyra.

PELOSI: ... if you want to make a case for the White House, you should go on their payroll. ...

Update by kos: Crooks and Liars has the video of the exchange. Their permalinks seem kind of funky right now, so you may have to scroll down to find the post.

Update II by kos: Okay, here's a working permalink to the C&L post with video of Pelosi's smackdown.

Congresswoman Pelosi, as we continue to follow, of course, this developing information coming in, you know, the hardest part, and I think it's far from over, we're going to continue to hear about people that have been trapped.

I mean, you are talking about such a swath of a region here. It's just hard to listen to that and to have to talk about that. And no doubt, it'll be never-ending.

But I want to ask you, as you stand here and continue to criticize the administration, and criticize the director of FEMA, I do want to tell you, the White House coming forward today, Scott McClellan coming forward today, and basically disputing your accounts of your meeting with the president.

And I'm looking at it here, saying that, you said you urged the president to replace the embattled FEMA director because of the poor emergency response to Hurricane Katrina. However, McClellan saying that this is -- that that's not what you discussed with the president, that you were discussing other things with the president, and that things are being twisted here in a bit.

PELOSI: Oh, that's absolutely not true. Mr. McClellan wasn't there, so he couldn't possibly know.

What happened was, I said to the president, Mr. President, we can begin to help these victims of Katrina become whole again. First thing you can do is to replace Michael Brown as the head of FEMA. To which the president said, Why would I do that? And I said, Because of what happened last week and the failure of FEMA to be the real link between the federal government and the people in need in our country, the social compact. To which the president said, What didn't go right last week?

That's what happened in the meeting. I stand by that. If the president thinks everything went right last week, and he wants to keep Michael Brown there, then I think that's going to be a cost to the American people and lives and livelihood.

PHILLIPS: Well, I'm not (INAUDIBLE)...

PELOSI: But if he does -- but if he wants to then say that it didn't go right last week, then he should replace Michael Brown.

PHILLIPS: But if you, if we go back, I mean, we can go back year after year after year, and we can talk about FEMA and what went wrong within FEMA and should FEMA be under the Department of Homeland Security.

But if we want to be historical here, and we want to go back in time, I mean, we can go back to "The Times Picayune" and the investigation that it -- when it -- when reporters revealed that time after time, monies were asked for from all types of various politicians, of the politicians you worked side by side with, laws that you yourself vote on, and monies that should have gone to Louisiana to take care of the problems with regard to the flood control systems.

And I think it's unfair that FEMA is just singled out. There are so many people responsible for what has happened in the state of Louisiana.

PELOSI: Well, that's true. That is true. And I'm sorry that you think it's unfair. But I don't. I think it's unfair to the people who lost their family members, their lives, their livelihoods, their homes, their opportunity.

And FEMA has done a poor job. It had no chance. It was (INAUDIBLE)...

PHILLIPS: But what about all those warnings...

PELOSI: ... may I please respond?

PHILLIPS: What about all the warnings from the Army Corps of Engineers...

PELOSI: But the Army Corps of Engineers...

PHILLIPS: ... years ago, saying there's a problem with these levees, there's a problem with this city.

PELOSI: Kyra, Kyra, Kyra...

PHILLIPS: It's Kyra. It's Kyra.

PELOSI: ... if you want to make a case for the White House, you should go on their payroll. But the (INAUDIBLE)...

PHILLIPS: I'm not making a case for the White House, by all means, believe me.

PELOSI: ... that the White House has cut this year 72 percent of the request from Louisiana for flooding money. The White House has cut the Army Corps of Engineers by a large percentage in this last fiscal year.

But the point is not to argue about that. The point is, where do we go from here to help these people? The last thing the American people need is bickering right now over this, except to make their rescue safer, to a return to normalcy for them. And (INAUDIBLE)...

PHILLIPS: So you think taking Mike Brown out of FEMA right now and replacing Mike Brown...

PELOSI: Essential.

PHILLIPS: ... with somebody else...

PELOSI: That's absolutely essential.

PHILLIPS: ... will change this entire dynamic and solve the problem.

PELOSI: I do, indeed. I think it's a question of the judgment of President Bush that he would have somebody in this crucial position who has no qualifications for the job. And if you need any further evidence of that, you need only look to the performance of FEMA.

PHILLIPS: Who would you recommend? Who would...

PELOSI: ... in the past week.

PHILLIPS: ... who would you recommend take the place of Mike Brown?

PELOSI: Well, I think it should be someone like James Lee Witt, who was there before Michael Brown -- well, in the Clinton administration, who was a professional, who was trained to do this kind of job.

PHILLIPS: But James Lee Witt came forward too, and said, Hey, we've got a problem here. New Orleans is a disaster waiting to happen.

PELOSI: Exactly. But you ask me what I would do, and I say a person like that. But almost anyone who has training, maybe someone who's served in the military who has training and knows leadership and can organize could do that.

But this isn't a discussion of Michael Brown. This is a discussion of the judgment of the president. People are depending on our federal role. That's what we're responsible for. And we should be working together. It's, I think, a sign of weakness on the part of the White House's argument that they are so much wanting to cover up what happened, and to say, What went wrong last week? as the president said to me. I said, he's either in denial or oblivious to what has happened.

Now, I appreciate that the president read a list of the initiatives that will be taken to help these people. I -- we had hoped today on the floor of Congress to make some of these the law of the land, to cut the red tape, to stop the price gouging, especially at the pump, to help create jobs so people can get back to work, and to put competent people in place to run FEMA and the other agencies that address the people.

This is about each individual person whose family has been affected. This isn't about politics or anything else. And we have a responsibility to make sure that our federal role is the best possible one that we can give to the American people.

PHILLIPS: So you don't think it was politics that even got us all to where we are today...

PELOSI: (INAUDIBLE)...

PHILLIPS: ... as we look at New Orleans, and we look at these other devastated areas.

PELOSI: (INAUDIBLE)...

PHILLIPS: You think politics had nothing to do with this disaster right now. PELOSI: What I'm saying is, let's form an independent commission to look into that, to make an assessment of what the decisions were made...

PHILLIPS: Let me ask, let me ask you...

PELOSI: ... about that.

PHILLIPS: All right, let me about you about an independent commission, because I addressed this to Senator Collins, and I addressed this to Senator Lieberman the other day. I mean, we had warnings before 9/11. We knew that there were intelligence failures. We knew where Osama bin Laden was. We knew there were issues among our intelligence agencies, and 9/11 happened, and then there were all these reports and all these investigations and all these commissions that were formed, and all this focus on terrorism.

Now, you had all these reports that were put forward talking about how this was going to happen to New Orleans, that Hurricane Pam, this project that was put forward, was showing and revealing all these problems with the levees and the hurricane -- or the flooding systems there. And we heard from the Army Corps of Engineer.

Now we see, despite all those warnings, what happened in New Orleans and what happened to other states. And now all of a sudden, everybody wants more investigations and more commissions. I mean, this is pathetic. How many things...

PELOSI: It is pathetic. It is pathetic.

PHILLIPS: ... have to go wrong in our country, and how many...

PELOSI: Why -- why...

PHILLIPS: ... (INAUDIBLE) investigations and commissions do we need?

PELOSI: We need as many until we make the country safer for the American people. We all have to settle down and take a deep breath, and say, How do we make the American people safer? And in order to do that, we have to have an assessment of how this happened.

Because I saw two disasters last week, a natural disaster from Hurricane Katrina, and a manmade disaster from the mistakes made by FEMA.

There are some larger issues that go back farther, that you indicate. What about the funding for the Army Corps of Engineer for the levee in Louisiana? What about the funding for the flooding that the officials of Louisiana have asked the federal government for? Both of which were cut back, the flooding money and the Army Corps of Engineers money.

But let's take a very objective, nonpartisan look at this. We have a great example in the 9/11 commission, where people, in a bipartisan way, nonpartisan way, made an assessment of what happened leading up to 9/11 and what we can do to go forward to make America safer.

PHILLIPS: Well, (INAUDIBLE)...

PELOSI: I think that's a perfect model. In fact, that very commission, if it's available, might well serve as a continuation of its homeland security function, as the 9/11 commission, to move into being the Katrina commission.

PHILLIPS: Well, I think everybody, I think everybody, not one person in the United States of America, wants to see something like this happen again.

PELOSI: Of course not.

PHILLIPS: And by all due respect, nobody in this organization or any network is on the payroll of the Bush administration right now. Everybody has been challenging every leader in every agency in this disaster, because it's pathetic to see something like this happen in the United States and to see dead bodies still on the ground in -- on American soil. It is absolutely pathetic.
So...

PELOSI: Thirty bodies retrieved from the nursing home last night, 14 from Memorial Hospital today...

PHILLIPS: Should have never happened.

PELOSI: ... it's a tragedy for our country. And it's a look in the mirror for us as a country to see what our priorities are. Are we a country that wants to measure our strength in terms of the health and well-being of our people, as well as our military strength? Or is it a country that is measured by the a tax cuts that we give to the wealthiest people in our country, at the expense of the protection of the American people?

PHILLIPS: Well, and you bring up a very good point. What happened in New Orleans brings a huge point across, the underbelly of our nation and the poverty that's not dealt with. We're seeing what's happening to those poor people now. That's a very good point.

And you know what? That's another huge issue that we need to tackle, because all of us of Americans need to pay closer attention to the poor in the United States. No one should have to live the way they're living now.

Representative...

PELOSI: (INAUDIBLE) -- Thank you.

PHILLIPS: Nancy Pelosi, thank you for your time.

PELOSI: Thank you.

PHILLIPS: We're going to take a quick break. More right after this.

Originally posted to Daily Kos on Thu Sep 08, 2005 at 02:29 PM PDT.

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Comment Preferences

  •  Pelosi did a great job (4.00)
    and making this "a discussion of the judgment of the president" is a winning frame if ever there was one.
    I hope everyone sees this and I have recommended.
    •  Yes (none)
      Good framing indeed.   We need more of this.
      •  Perfect (4.00)
        Go to the "Big Picture." Stop this nonsesne of focusing on the small details...That's what they want us to do...

        I did not receive $ from Ketchum, U.S. Department of Ed or HHS to write this---though I wish I had.

        by Volvo Liberal on Thu Sep 08, 2005 at 02:01:08 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  I love the (none)
          "go work for the White House" comment...

          It's really a nice way of reversing the "liberal media bias" BS that the right has been playing.  It forces the media to either stop sucking up to the Bushies, or to openly do it and show their hand.

          •  More of Kyra "Watergirl" Phillips (4.00)
            http://mediamatters.org/items/200507120006

            When Rove was getting basted for his actions in the CIA leak, she accused Democrats of mounting a smear campaign.

            She may not be on the payroll, but she's definitely auditioning for something with the GOP.

            "When the Nationals took over the NL East lead in early June, Frank Robinson should have declared: MISSION ACCOMPLISHED"

            by crazymoloch on Thu Sep 08, 2005 at 03:19:56 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

            •  Even more of "Watergirl" (none)
              http://atrios.blogspot.com/2003_04_13_atrios_archive.html

              Scroll down to April 16, 2003.

              CNN should just up and die!

              "When the Nationals took over the NL East lead in early June, Frank Robinson should have declared: MISSION ACCOMPLISHED"

              by crazymoloch on Thu Sep 08, 2005 at 03:23:47 PM PDT

              [ Parent ]

              •  Wow.... (none)
                http://www.washingtonblade.com/blog/index.cfm?blog_id=500

                She should get out of the business! Children of gay parents are 11 times more likely to be sexually abused? A statement like that doesn't deserve a ster follow-up? Jeez.....

                "When the Nationals took over the NL East lead in early June, Frank Robinson should have declared: MISSION ACCOMPLISHED"

                by crazymoloch on Thu Sep 08, 2005 at 03:29:22 PM PDT

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              •  Kyra (4.00)
                 Most of the time carries very little weight. The one that really sets my teeth on edge is Kitty Pilgram. She always mocks Dems and liberals. And Lou Dobbs is really pissing me off. Yes, Lou, we are "pointing the finger of blame", when someone fucks up this big it is our duty to point it out. God Damn it! If you see someone mug a little old lady and steal her purse, do you worry about pointing a fucking finger? Bush mugged our country, stole our purse, and then pushed us in front of a train. And I'm going to God Damn point a finger at him! My middle one, on both hands.!
            •  i just wrote cnn AGAIN about ms phillips. (4.00)
              i told them i would hold them resonsible if i actually threw my coffee cup at my televison while she was on there. i asked them what are you doing with this partisan barbie.
          •  "Go work for the White House" (4.00)
            changed the tone of the conversation. Maybe if everyone challenged the obvious wingnuts working for the MSM, maybe that would help. Throw them off guard by letting them know they are being transparent.
            •  That's assuming of course (none)
              that Kyra ("It's Kyra, it's Kyra!") isn't already on the White House payroll.
            •  Kyra, the Worst Dresser on TV (none)
              It's Nancy Perosi's "Go Fuck Yourself!"

              What you write is who you are.

              by ysbee on Thu Sep 08, 2005 at 04:56:38 PM PDT

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            •  It sure did change the tone. (4.00)
              Score one for Nancy Pelosi. Phillips was clearly off balance after Pelosi threw her off the bull she had gotten from Rove to dish out here. Pelosi was having none of that, especially when Phillips talked about how unfair it was to FEMA to pile on. What, Pelosi said about those people who lost lives and the thousands that are displaced.

              Phillips was forced to say that no one at the network was on the Bush's payroll. I was actually waiting for her to come out and say that -- by then she was clearly on the defensive.

              Way to go Pelosi!!

            •  Rmember when Dan Rather... (none)
              ... interviewed Bush I before he was elected? He asked about the Iran-Contra scandal and Bush's role. Bush attacked back and said something like "what if your whole career was judged by the time you walked off the set."

              That exchange changed the entire discourse for the 1988 election. Granted, there's a lot more diversity in media now and this present exchange between Pelosi and Phillips probably won't have the same impact, but still, it sort of reminds me of Rather's interview.

              hink

    •  Wow! (4.00)
      "PELOSI: ... if you want to make a case for the White House, you should go on their payroll"

      That's right, Pelosi.  Bitsh-slap that bitch.

      •  You said it (4.00)
        Who IS this Phillips person? I don't keep track of talking hairdos for the most part, but reading this over the girl is clearly from the Jeff Gannon School of Junk Journalism.  There wasn't an OUNCE of detached information gathering in her statements. Shocking, actually. Really poor form.

        "Bush should've hired Fed-Ex. They know when it has to be there overnight."

        by MissAnneThrope on Thu Sep 08, 2005 at 02:39:16 PM PDT

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        •  wasn't Kyra ... (none)
          ... the reporter who interviewed a surgeon in kuwait, who had just performed a (multiple?) amputation on an Iraqi child-orphan, and wanted to know if the surgeon had made it clear to his patient why the US was invading?

          Some times require that you accept circumstances as they are ... claiming blamelessness just doesn't cut it

          by wystler on Thu Sep 08, 2005 at 03:26:02 PM PDT

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      •  So that was who that BITCH was. (4.00)
        ....write cnn and let them know what you think:
        http://www.cnn.com/feedback/forms/form1.html?35

        Accountability is NOT a Game. Gore/Clark 2008

        by mattes on Thu Sep 08, 2005 at 02:43:21 PM PDT

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        •  My 3rd letter to CNN today (4.00)
          and I asked if she was shilling White House talking points in an effort to get Gannon's job.

          Remember New Orleans

          by Rat on Thu Sep 08, 2005 at 03:08:16 PM PDT

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        •  My reply (4.00)
          Kyra Phillips is an insult to journalism.  During her interview with Nancy Pelosi, Ms. Phillips regurgitated Republican talking points to deflect blame from the Bush administration.  I suggest that Kyra Phillips is one of Scott McClellan's streetwalkers on the order of 'Jeff Gannon' of 'Talon News'.  CNN should be ashamed of her continued mendacity.  
          •  Good, mine was a little different (4.00)
            I told them to stop shilling for the administration and that today it was so sickening that I turned the channel and missed Kira Phillips getting the Bitch Slapping she deserved from Nancy Pelosi!
      •  If Pelosi doesn't want to be on that payroll (4.00)
        why does she think the 9/11 white wash is a model investigation. It basically absolved Bush of lying in favor of blaming the cia?
        •  Very true (none)
          The purpose of an investigation is to figure out whose damn fault it was, to assign blame and hopefully to punish the incompetents.

          I still can't believe that Bushco was absovled by the 9/11 commission.

        •  It actually didn't investigate the president. (none)
          This is why the Republicans can't be trusted to form a commision on their own.  The president was "outside of the scope" of the commision last time.  I say we haul all of them back in, hand them a stack of blank checks and blank supoenas and say "Tell us everything about Homeland Security, go back to Carter or Reagan and tell us why we're here and how to stop it."

          A good plan today is better than a perfect plan tomorrow.

          by Webster on Thu Sep 08, 2005 at 03:16:10 PM PDT

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      •  It was perfect (4.00)
        I hope the Dems have come to the decision that the media are not on their side, and they have nothing to gain in being nice to them.  The Republicans learned that bullying the cowardly press pays huge dividends; it's about time the Dems got into the act.  This is truly sad, of course, because it means that we must accept that the press is not an agency for disseminating information, but part of the propaganda machine that can be used by either side.  But we have to go to war with the press we have, not the press we'd like to have.
    •  I wish... (none)
      ....that she had said at one point that she's talking about the RESPONSE, while the questioner is talking about PREPARATION. If would have taken about 10 minutes out the interview.

      When Jesus returns, religious wingnuttia will have him committed to an asylum. - anonymous

      by Doug in SF on Thu Sep 08, 2005 at 02:54:08 PM PDT

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    •  Yes, and I'd forgotten the part (4.00)
      where Pelosi mentioned it wasn't what she "thought" but what she "knew." That was a good, sharp retort. Probably pre-planned. I think democrats are starting to finally figure out what we academicians have been doing for years: work future conversations through, and likely questions, ahead of time, so that when the thing is said, the sharp retort is already there. C.S. Lewis claimed this was a famous trait of Oxford/Cambridge dons. They would save sarcastic snarks up for ages, until there was a good time to unload them.
    •  Saw this live today (none)
      Ms. Phillips was definitely not shilling for the administration. She was off-topic for sure. Pelosi was attempting to address the "post-Katrina" failures of FEMA, while Phillips was determined to broaden the scope to years of underfunding for levee projects.

      More a matter of miscommunication and Phillip's trying to broad the accountability to include all of Washington.

      Pelosi would be wise to approach this with a softer touch. There is obvious accountability on both sides of the aisle. Stick with FEMA's failure. You don't even have to say Bush's name. People know the score.

      •  nah (4.00)
        Kyra wanted to blame the local Louisiana Democrats, while the real current problem was the slow feds' reaction (as well as the slashed budget appropriation)

        "I don't think anyone anticipated the breach of the levees."

        Jeebus, George ... you had it right ... right up until the 4th word ...

        Some times require that you accept circumstances as they are ... claiming blamelessness just doesn't cut it

        by wystler on Thu Sep 08, 2005 at 03:30:01 PM PDT

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      •  george w bush fucked up. george w bush fucked up. (none)
        ole kyra is a hack and her interviewing skills are nada. please don't support an idiot on calls democrats anti american. we are sick and tired and we aren't taking it anymore.
      •  No softer touch (4.00)
        There's no pay-off.  The press have no where to go.  If they want to interview the Democratic leadership they either have to lay off being Republican shills or take the heat.  Since they need the Dems to run their news shows, they don't have a choice.  I actually think that an aggressive approach at this point -- to those who deserve it of course -- is the right strategy.  It's sort of like Spitzer's point -- you want to fuck with me?  Choose your weapon.
    •  we blogged about this interview at skippy (none)
      and cast it as a heavyweight championship boxing match:

      the moxie in biloxi!

      join the skippy challenge to raise money for katrina relief!

      by skippy on Thu Sep 08, 2005 at 05:47:11 PM PDT

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    •  drop her a note (none)
      kyra.phillips@turner.com

      We know through painful experience that freedom is never voluntarily given by the oppressor; it must be demanded by the oppressed. -MLK

      by JLFinch on Thu Sep 08, 2005 at 07:54:05 PM PDT

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  •  Nice... (4.00)
    ...She may be Clintonian on the issues, but she knows which side to appear to side with, at least. (The Clinton's aren't that terrible on every issue but do have a tendency to come off as being on the side of the "vast rightwing conspiracy," not an endearing quality in my book.) I wish Barbara Boxer had this kind of exposure; but that's not to downgrade the great work Pelosi is doing these recent days.

    9/11 + 4 Years = Katrina... Conservatism Kills.

    by NewDirection on Thu Sep 08, 2005 at 01:38:55 PM PDT

    •  Clintonian? (3.50)
      Nancy Pelosi?

      Did Daily Kos get taken over by the Revolutionary Workers Party or something?  

      The revolution will not be televised, but we'll analyze it to death at The Next Hurrah.

      by Dana Houle on Thu Sep 08, 2005 at 02:42:43 PM PDT

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      •  There is bad blood (none)
        between the Dean supporters and Nancy.

        She owes Dean about 12 apologies.

        •  There Is Bad Blood... (3.40)
          ...between claims that Pelosi is "Clintonian on the issues" and the truth.

          The revolution will not be televised, but we'll analyze it to death at The Next Hurrah.

          by Dana Houle on Thu Sep 08, 2005 at 02:51:12 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  OK, Can You Find Me One Single... (none)
            ...Issue on which she has differed from Sen. Clinton? All I said was Clintonian, not Zel Miller.

            9/11 + 4 Years = Katrina... Conservatism Kills.

            by NewDirection on Thu Sep 08, 2005 at 02:57:03 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

            •  Jeeze (3.40)
              Ever hear of the IWR?

              The revolution will not be televised, but we'll analyze it to death at The Next Hurrah.

              by Dana Houle on Thu Sep 08, 2005 at 02:58:10 PM PDT

              [ Parent ]

              •  Okay, Then... (none)
                ...I must have gotten the wrong info somewhere.
                So, I'll rephrase:
                How in the heck did I get this impression?
                Did she perchance make Clintonian right-leaning-seeming speeches on some occasion?

                I'm not defending my above statement, which is wrong, but I am curious.

                9/11 + 4 Years = Katrina... Conservatism Kills.

                by NewDirection on Thu Sep 08, 2005 at 03:03:16 PM PDT

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              •  red baiting bullshit` (none)
                Deal with arguments on the merits rather than namecalling. She is using the 9/11 commission as a model, which means she is white washing the administrations incompentance while pretending to be an adversary.  Many of her positions are far more conservative than her constituants, for instance wanting to stay the coarse in the war, is pretty far to the right of her San Francisco district.  You are not an arbiter of who gets to be a democrat. It is pretty obvious that on many issues you are to the right of most kossacks.
                •  Thanks for the Parody (none)
                  That was almost pitch-perfect bullshit incorrect attribution of my beliefs.  And I like how you delcared that she was far to the right of her constituents, because, God, she's so much further to the right of other people elected by San Franciscans, like Diane Feinstein and Willie Brown.  And I especially love how declared that I'm to the right of people at DKos after claiming incorrectly that I was pretending I was the arbiter of who is and isn't a Democrat around here.  I mean, if you were being serious, which of course you aren't, you'd be a huge fucking hypocrite for making those two claims in the same comment.  

                  But of course you're not a huge fucking hypocrite for doing that, because your comment was just parody.

                  It was intentional parody, right?

                  The revolution will not be televised, but we'll analyze it to death at The Next Hurrah.

                  by Dana Houle on Thu Sep 08, 2005 at 03:17:40 PM PDT

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                  •  Diane Finestien is a Senator (none)
                    who was elected by all Californians back when California was still open to republicans.  Willie Brown was mayor of San Fransisco before the dot.com meltdown.  Pelosi is no prize on the Iraq war.  She has kissed the administrations ass repeatedly even though her district didn't want her to. She is probably going to get a primary challenge over it as well.  Saying "have you ever heard of the Internation Workers Party" is questioning whether the person is a democrat or telling the person they shouldn't be one. It is also juvenile namecalling and red baiting. It is also a right wing tactic.  It has been pointed out on several occasions that many democrats dislike her for repeatedly backstabing dean. It doesn't make them commies. so go stuff it in your ear.
                •  Oh, Thanks for the 1! (3.00)
                  Apparently you think facts are unproductive.

                  The revolution will not be televised, but we'll analyze it to death at The Next Hurrah.

                  by Dana Houle on Thu Sep 08, 2005 at 03:19:45 PM PDT

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            •  Ever hear of ... (none)
              ... the IWR, which Pelosi led the opposition in the House, the Defense of Marriage Act, which Pelosi opposed (and supports gay marriage), single-payor health care, which Pelosi repeatedly co-sponsored in the 1990s, capital punishment, which Pelosi opposes and voted against repeatedly in the 1990s.  The list goes on and on.

              Saying Nancy Pelosi is no more liberal than Hillary Clinton -- who also has some liberal bona fides, although not to the extent Pelosi has -- is like saying Rick Santorum is no more conservative than Sen. Mike DeWine (R-Ohio).  It's simply not credible.

              Making a statement like that demands an apology.

        •  Are the Dean supporters keeping score? (none)
          'Cause if they are, they had better knock it off right now! Sounds like sour grapes to me.  Just because they weren't best friends during his ill-fated run doesn't mean they can't be part of a dynamite team today.  As a [satsified] Pelosi consituent and an admirer of Dean (but no Deaniac), I say that this post misses the point.

          As for Nancy, she's from wacky SF and she's no Clintonian.  She does take a lot of crap for being moderate on a lot of issues.  But what do you want her to do?  She's the minority leader and she's trying to forge a majority.  As you've seen lately she's quite capable of taking the gloves off when needed.  Can you hear that? "When needed."  She does not cry wolf.

          99% of the time she's probably busy behind the scene herding Dem cats and trying to find some non-winger Reps to work with (and there are some!).  That requires a lot of concessions, and you know it.  If she wasn't in the leadership, she'd be ranting like her counterpart from across the Bay Barbara Lee.  Everyone has a role to play, and Pelosi has done a damn fine job with hers.  I for one am extremely proud as a Democrat and a San Franciscan to have her representing.  Western Dems rock!  The whole southern v. northern dynamic is so old and busted.

          "I went down yesterday to the Piraeus with Glaucon the son of Ariston..." -Socrates

          by polnorth on Thu Sep 08, 2005 at 03:24:20 PM PDT

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      •  LOL (4.00)
        These are the kind of comments that really make me appreciate having you around here!

        I'm too disgusted right now to think of a sig.

        by Ga6thDem on Thu Sep 08, 2005 at 03:14:39 PM PDT

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  •  impartial... (none)
    Phillip's seems pretty impartial in that transcript.
    •  Yes, from the transcript (4.00)
      she did not appear nearly as bad as people who actually saw the TV interview claimed.

      I have not seen the video yet.

      But the point is that the media has been taking the Rove talking points and muddying the waters, kicking up dust clouds.  

      •  You have to see the actual video (4.00)
        For quite awhile Phillips voice was raised, almost to shouting, and wouldn't let Pelosi get a word in edgewise. She really seemed on the attack during that small portion, but she did eventually calm down.
        •  Bay (none)
          Bay Buchanan just did the same thing in the "Situation Room" with Wolf.  Spewed nothing but the WH talking points, over and over, and very loudly, trying to out talk the others.
          •  True - it seems again like a concerted and staged (none)
            effort. Feels like the year leading to the Iraq war. Imposing propaganda for the administration view points all over the cable network news channels again.

            Just this time a couple of reporters are holding up against the flood, thank God. I hope they don't let go and swim against the current.

            "Renting Mobile Homes" = Republican Ownership Society. - "Owning Habitat for the Humanities House Reconstruction Kits" = Democratic Ownerhsip Society

            by mimi on Thu Sep 08, 2005 at 02:49:04 PM PDT

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        •  Hang on (none)
          We cheer when Anderson Cooper raises his voice and interrupts Mary Landrieu but we condemn when Kyra Phillips interrupts and raises her voice to Nancy Pelosi?

          I said this in a comment below, but I got the impression that Phillips was saying Pelosi wasn't doing enough, not that Pelosi was doing too much (that is, fixating on Brown when there are larger institutional problems isn't enough).

          Spin never saved a life.

          by socratic on Thu Sep 08, 2005 at 02:45:56 PM PDT

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          •  Except (none)
            Phillips was specifically bemoaning "investigations and commissions" which are absolutely necessary to address the larger institutional problems. Seems to me that Phillips was really complaining about the "blame game."
            •  But she wasn't (none)
              Phillips cast the blame net wider than Pelosi did.  She implicated everyone who ignored the copious warnings we had before Katrina.  That includes Congress, which didn't fund the ACOE-recommended repairs.

              I want Mike Brown off the job, but I won't be satisfied if only Mike Brown is fired.  And I want a commission, but I don't want it right now.  

              Spin never saved a life.

              by socratic on Thu Sep 08, 2005 at 03:06:48 PM PDT

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              •  I guess I can see that (none)
                but Phillips' main problem seemed to be with more investigations and commissions. Her argument was headed into "we don't need any more, because they haven't done any good" territory.

                I've seen the video, and maybe it's because Phillips appeared defensive, as if she would be the target of the investigation itself. Of course that's ridiculous, but that's what it came off as. Maybe that's what people are picking up.

                •  Here's where we hug (none)
                  I thought it was a terrible interview, but that's because I think Phillips is a terrible interviewer.  She's coarse and unsubtle, and when she's trying to sound righteous (like Anderson Cooper did), she fails.

                  To me, it looked more like they put Pelosi on the air when they had her and Phillips wasn't equipped to engage in a productive interview with her (either because she wasn't prepared or because she's just naturally a bad interviewer).

                  Spin never saved a life.

                  by socratic on Thu Sep 08, 2005 at 03:28:11 PM PDT

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          •  You honestly don't see (none)
            a difference in someone shouting because they want to cover up versus someone shouting because they want accountability?
            •  Yes, I do. (3.00)
              And I don't see Phillips covering a damn thing up.

              She called the disaster response "pathetic".  What is she trying to cover up?  She's certainly not defending the White House.  She's not even defending Mike Brown - she's just saying the problem is bigger than he is.

              The closest thing I could find in that interview to "shilling" was Phillips' observation that McClellan disputed Pelosi's characterization of the meeting with Bush.  That's a legitimate question.  Just because I want Pelosi's version to be true doesn't mean, of necessity, that it is.

              Spin never saved a life.

              by socratic on Thu Sep 08, 2005 at 03:14:26 PM PDT

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              •  This Kyra Phillips (none)
                And I don't see Phillips covering a damn thing up.

                a previous KP interview (with another's editorial annotation):

                Consider this uplifting performance by CNN's Kyra Phillips last week. Phillips was interviewing Dr Imad al-Najada, the Kuwaiti surgeon treating a 12-year-old Iraqi child, Ali, who lost his arms -- and his entire family -- in the US bombing.

                CNN: Doctor, Tell us what this little boy has been saying to you.

                Dr al-Najada: Actually, today he was in good condition... and started speaking with a journalist. The thing which he (asked Ali
                was) what message he wants to reflect from the war. He said, first of all, thank you for the attention they're giving to him, but he hopes
                nobody from the children in the war will suffer like what he suffer.

                CNN: Doctor, does he understand why this war took place? Has he talked about Iraqi freedom and the meaning? Does he understand it?

                I didn't see the live interview, and the transcript on CNN's website provides no hint of how the doctor reacted to Ms Phillips' touching
                belief that little Ali -- 'free' at last but orphaned, burned and bereft of limbs -- would actually be grateful to the US. The transcript
                merely records the doctor replying that he hadn't discussed this issue with Ali because "he's in very bad psychological trauma."

                "But," he added, "we discussed this issue with his uncle and the message we got from his family, they said they are living far away from the American troops, from the military of Saddam ... and they don't know how they (i.e. the US) hit them by missiles."

                perhaps you should visit an ophthamologist?

                Some times require that you accept circumstances as they are ... claiming blamelessness just doesn't cut it

                by wystler on Thu Sep 08, 2005 at 03:48:59 PM PDT

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                •  Ahem. (none)
                  Talk about expanding the scope of the conversation.  Ok, I'll play.  Before Katrina, what would I have said about Kyra Phillps?  That she was a hack and a terrible reporter.  After Katrina, what would I say about Kyra Phillips?  That she is a hack and a terrible reporter who is trying to have her "social conscience moment" like her colleague Anderson Cooper (who I didn't particularly like before the current press awakening).

                  So, invoking an interview she gave years ago a) ignores the premise floating around here that the press has come alive after Katrina and b) only proves the point that she's not a good reporter.  It doesn't prove that she's shilling for the White House in this interview.

                  Spin never saved a life.

                  by socratic on Thu Sep 08, 2005 at 03:58:27 PM PDT

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              •  unlike others I will not go back and forth with (none)
                you trying to play the "fact" obfuscation game. I just wanted to know if you believed what you said. Your response tells me that you don't. Thanks.
              •  not true (none)
                kyra phillips did not call the response pathetic.

                she called pathetic the condition of the poor -- definitely off-topic from the GOP talking points, but harmless at this particular time (no elections, no relevant bill in discussion), and a cheap and convenient way to defuse the accusation of being biased towards the administration.

                when talking about fema, she was consistently trying to protect the administration.

                •  The condition of the poor? (none)
                  [PHILLIPS:] Now we see, despite all those warnings, what happened in New Orleans and what happened to other states. And now all of a sudden, everybody wants more investigations and more commissions. I mean, this is pathetic. How many things...

                  PELOSI: It is pathetic. It is pathetic.

                  PHILLIPS: ... have to go wrong in our country, and how many...

                  PELOSI: Why -- why...

                  PHILLIPS: ... (INAUDIBLE) investigations and commissions do we need?

                  That's what I was referring to.

                  Spin never saved a life.

                  by socratic on Thu Sep 08, 2005 at 04:20:49 PM PDT

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                  •  you're right but... (none)
                    Sorry, I had seen the interview, not read the transcript.

                    But you were not right either, she did not call FEMA's response pathetic -- and that I was absolutely sure of.

                    What she's saying is that anyone now calling for accountability is pathetic. At this point, that's shilling.

                    Did you see the interview? Because the tone of voice matters a great deal, and it's where a lot of the criticism is coming from.

                    Yes, she is also having a little social conscience moment, but still not willing to question the Administration or the GOP or acknowledge the least that it's largely their policies and decisions that brought us to this.

                    Essentially, she's blaming everyone. And if you blame everyone, you blame no one.

                    •  I watched the interview live (none)
                      And, again, I'm only trying to relate my impression of what was said.  When she said "pathetic", my reaction was that she was throwing her hands up (whether genuinely or in a poor imitation of Shep Smith's and Geraldo's indignation last week) at the almost complete failure of the federal government to deal with this situation (the implication being that talking about a commission right now may not be what the people on the ground need; I personally would rather shelve talk about commissions for a couple of weeks, though I'd like to kick Mike Brown into a ditch now).  

                      I'm being a little defensive because I'm surprised at this whole diary.  I had my own extremely negative reaction to Phillips' performance, but it didn't include shilling.  I still don't see it, though I see some things that Phillips said that weren't very good either for Democrats or for truth.

                      Anyway, it's funny (ok, not funny) that reasonably intelligent people can basically agree that something is bad but then fight about why it is bad.

                      Spin never saved a life.

                      by socratic on Thu Sep 08, 2005 at 04:41:46 PM PDT

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                      •  kyra is a shil. she does it over and over and over (none)
                        see if you can find some past tape of hers. the story is there.
                      •  what more do you want (none)
                        she was reading McClellan's irrellevant spin/attacks on Pelosi on the air.  They had nothing to do with the subject and were BushCo's way of changing the subject anfd deminizing any critic.

                        As a jounalist she should not have made those attacks part of the story but she chose to use McLellan's comments to debate Pelosi as a stand in for the WH (and sidetrack Pelosi from the real issue).
                        If that's not shiiling, what is?

          •  Phillips... (none)
            ...was trying to pin the budget cuts (from restoring the levees in NO) on Congress..particularly on the Democrats in Congress.  She was being dishonest and Pelosi's bitch slap was long overdue.

            Phillips was DEFENDING FEMA and BUSH and trying now to blame Congress.  Folks, the "blame-game" is getting pretty wild considering Congress is Republican!  That IS what she was trying to do though.  First they blamed the victims, including Mayor Nagin and Governor Blanco.  That didn't fly so now they need to find someone else to blame.  Congress?  My God.

            And half of these people ARE on the Bush payroll.  That's been shown to be true more than once.

            •  Did Phillips... (none)
              ..even mention the mayor or the governor?  

              Congress absolutely does bear some of the blame here.  Congress writes and passes the budgets.  Congress didn't fund the repairs that the Army Corps of Engineers wanted.  How far back was the ACOE making these requests?  Back before 1994?  If so, the Democratic leadership does bear some direct responsibility for the failure to fund them adquately.  

              Anyway, point out a statement that Phillips made defending FEMA.  Saying it was unfair to fixate on them?  It is unfair: it's unfair to the (few) professionals in FEMA who did try to do their jobs despite Bush's bumbling, and it's unfair to the American people not to look at every possible person who bears some responsibility for what happened.

              Spin never saved a life.

              by socratic on Thu Sep 08, 2005 at 03:19:06 PM PDT

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              •  yeah, sure (none)
                appropriations bills ...

                tax bills (which start in the house) ...

                therefore, the tax cuts must have been the House GOP's idea, right? no? what? they're the Bush tax cuts?

                yeah, the white house would like nothing better than to deflect criticism for the budget on Congress ... but the executive branch has their own ways to influence the budget debate before it even makes it to the floor ... the GOP leadership on the Hill is the same as the folks at the other end of Pennsylvania Avenue, but that's not how Kyra Phillips would have reported it ...

                Some times require that you accept circumstances as they are ... claiming blamelessness just doesn't cut it

                by wystler on Thu Sep 08, 2005 at 03:38:39 PM PDT

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                •  Stepping back for a moment (none)
                  I blame Bush and the GOP for screwing the pooch on the storm response.  Phillips didn't assert that Bush and the GOP were not responsible.

                  I also blame Bush for the pre-storm failure to fund levee repairs.  Phillips didn't assert that Bush wasn't to blame for that.

                  I also would blame Democrats somewhat if they failed to upgrade the levees when they had the chance prior to 1994.  Phillips didn't directly address this, but the implication was there.

                  I blame Mike Brown for being an incompetent ass.  I didn't hear Phillips defend him.

                  I also think more people than Brown bear responsibility for this and I don't understand why Pelosi is fixating on him at the expense of larger ducks.  I heard Phillips almost say that, and I heard Pelosi almost say it too.

                  So, I go back to where I started: I don't understand what they were fighting about, because both of them were saying that the government screwed up.  If Phillips was keeping Pelosi honest by saying, essentially, that this was not a blank check for Democrats to pick up political capital because of the failures of this administration, then I agree with her.  We've got to show that we can do better.

                  Spin never saved a life.

                  by socratic on Thu Sep 08, 2005 at 03:52:16 PM PDT

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                  •  yes by all means lets change the subject (none)
                    let's step so far back from the obvious that we no longer can figure out what happened at all. it's a fruit strategy for dealing with issues of accountability.
                    •  generalities are the friends of people (none)
                      trying to avoid accountability for their own action. whereas specifics requires people to zero in on what they are doing. Assuming everyone else did wrong were true- it doesn't excuse or make okay the dereliction of duty by this white house which is what the white house and any attempts to change the subject are trying to do.
                  •  i have to tell you. you are hearing what no one (none)
                    else on here heard. where you on cnn? kyra was spinning for the gopers. pure and simple. i am tired of splitting hairs and giving people who are out to backstab a BENEFIT OF A DOUBT. they have no doubts about what they are trying to do to us. PLEASE!
              •  Let's see... (none)
                ..."The Republicans gained complete control of the 104th Congress (1995-1997), held on to control in the 105th Congress (1997-1999), and remained in power during the 106th Congress (1999-2001) through the end of Clinton's presidency." - (Right wingNut) Laurence M. Vance

                I promise to go back to 1994 and check on individual voting over those budgets.  I think Clinton had a heck of a time doing anything after 1995.  (He did however hire James Lee Witt, which was indeed more responsible than putting one's best fund-raiser's buddy in the post.)

                My point is that the overall Phillips tone was "blame anyone but Bush."  This IS the Bush/Rove strategy.  Bush hired crony Mike Brown and the leader usually bears responsibility for the errors/crimes of the organization.  Brown, but mostly Bush and Chertov are responsible.

                I hope those FEMA employees will continue to speak out.  Especially if we actually do get a real investigation.  (Now figure those odds.)  If the FEMA employees want to explain what happened, I think people would listen.  Their leader though is clearly incompetent--or worse --and he's up to his eyebrows in responsibility for the scandal that is the Katrina aftermath.

                And you'll never convince me that Phillips wasn't trying to push those talking points.  I just wonder if the Bush gang will keep her on as she did seem to let the reasonableness of Pelosi's arguments sink in a bit there at the end.

                •  This is the only real disagreement we have: (none)
                  My point is that the overall Phillips tone was "blame anyone but Bush."

                  I just didn't see that in the interview.  I saw her tone as "Phillips wants her politician-interrupting moment in the spotlight."  That's it.  

                  Anyway, I think we probably both agree that it was a shitty interview, that Kyra Phillips did a bad job, and that Nancy Pelosi was right to give her a smackdown.

                  Spin never saved a life.

                  by socratic on Thu Sep 08, 2005 at 04:18:33 PM PDT

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        •   I finally saw the video tonight - Holy shit! (none)
          Phillips was rabid.  Her tone of voice said it all - the transcript does not even come close to conveying her partisanship.

          She did not sound like a reporter.  

    •  Really? (none)
      Doesn't look that way to me. Sure, she retreated to a position of "balance" when pressed by a forceful Pelosi, but in each case she attempted to advance (in a not too respectful manner, it would seem) criticisms that come straight from the Rove playbook. Not once in that transcript do I see her asking a follow-up about "Well, what if a commission reveals that FEMA was largely to blame [or the tax cuts, war, diversion of funding, ignorance, apathy, contempt...], what could we do about that?"

      Or, "But why would the White House purposely mislead us, then, as to what you and the President discussed?"

      No, couldn't have that now, could we?

      "...there is nothing either good or bad, but thinking makes it so." Hamlet, Act II, Scene ii.

      by thingamabob on Thu Sep 08, 2005 at 02:22:57 PM PDT

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    •  The age-old art of mis-direction. (none)
      Philips, in an attempt to shift away from the issue of Brown's incompetence, counters with questions about infrastructure financing, completely changing the subject. The matter at hand was disaster response, but Philips couldn't make any headway there. She wanted to raise something that would spread the blame. Unfortunately, Pelosi picked that off as well, saying that it was Bush who kept cutting budget requests for levee reinforcment.

      The Media Is Dead. Long Live NewsCorpse.com

      by KingOneEye on Thu Sep 08, 2005 at 02:32:31 PM PDT

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    •  Really? (4.00)
      Just reading it she seems like a shill.  

      She says that we already had a 911 commission so why do we need another. WTF?

      •  Considering the 9/11 Commission was a... (none)
        ...WHITE WASH, being headed up, as it was, by Condi's best bud Zelikow, I'd say we need something entirely different.  How about this novel idea?  A bi-partisan commission selected by someone other than Bush.  How about putting Congressional Democrats names in a hat and picking six, randomly.  The same for Congressional Republicans?  I just don't think I can tolerate one more investigation of Bush by Bush.
    •  Phillips sounded like (4.00)
      a banchee hack.

      Accountability is NOT a Game. Gore/Clark 2008

      by mattes on Thu Sep 08, 2005 at 02:46:47 PM PDT

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    •  Not relevant (none)
      Sorry, but it's not relevant to the point whether she was or was not "impartial" She's repeating the White House's efforts to pretend they aren't responsible for this in anyway. That very effort makes her a shill. Pelosi did the absolutely right thing to point out that this White House is responsible.
    •  Agreed (none)
      It seems to me that bringing up the lack of funding for shoring up the levees beforehand is precisely a Democratic talking point, not one the whitehouse wants to publicize.

      Other comments made by Phillips may have sounded a little like Administration talking points, but I found it quite odd that Pelosi called her to task on that point.

  •  A Freudian Slip? (4.00)

    PHILLIPS: And by all due respect, nobody in this organization or any network is on the payroll of the Bush administration right now. Everybody has been challenging every leader in every agency in this disaster, because it's pathetic to see something like this happen in the United States and to see dead bodies still on the ground in -- on American soil. It is absolutely pathetic. So...

    "right now" ?

    •  So I think we need to know... (4.00)
      exactly when they were on payroll, since she admitted that they are not on the payroll "right now".  And, what caused them to get off the payroll?

      Considering the media's performance, and the known payments made to Armstrong Williams and others, this is a reasonable question.

      Any party that would lie to start a war would also steal an election.

      by landrew on Thu Sep 08, 2005 at 01:53:40 PM PDT

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    •  No one at CNN on White House payroll? (none)
      So CNN finally terminated Bob Novak. Did they give him a pink slip or a wooden stake through his heart? Those neocon vampires or the hardest to kill, shit even the light of day wont get rid of them.
      •  To all who replied.... (none)

        and who rated me... Thanks.... :-)

        To Texas Hostage:

        "So CNN finally terminated Bob Novak. Did they give him a pink slip or a wooden stake through his heart? Those neocon vampires or the hardest to kill, shit even the light of day wont get rid of them."

        They call those kinds of vampires "Day Walkers"....they are really, really, REALLY old... ancient. Cheney comes to mind...

    •  Exactly (none)
      If NOT RIGHT NOW then when?
    •  yeah, yesterday she got her last paycheck (none)
      from the WH, but today I guess, Kyra gets her pink slip from BushCo. /snark

      "Renting Mobile Homes" = Republican Ownership Society. - "Owning Habitat for the Humanities House Reconstruction Kits" = Democratic Ownerhsip Society

      by mimi on Thu Sep 08, 2005 at 02:42:32 PM PDT

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    •  SOOO, obviously she was on (none)
      the payroll, how can we find out??

      Accountability is NOT a Game. Gore/Clark 2008

      by mattes on Thu Sep 08, 2005 at 02:48:31 PM PDT

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    •  "Or on any network" (4.00)
      She is claiming certain knowledge that no one at CBS, ABC, MSNBC, Fox, or the Food Channel for that matter, is on the Bush payroll.

      The only way she could know that is if she is a trusted member of the Bush Administration.

      I've got blisters on my fingers!

      by Elwood Dowd on Thu Sep 08, 2005 at 03:04:30 PM PDT

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  •  I think Pelosi might have struck a nerve! :) (4.00)
  •  Thank You, Pelosi (4.00)
    All of this bandying about of "blame game" misses one of the points Pelosi makes.  It bears repeating:
    We all have to settle down and take a deep breath, and say, How do we make the American people safer? And in order to do that, we have to have an assessment of how this happened.
    In order not to make the same mistake again (for, yes, there will be natural disasters in the future) we have to know what went wrong in the past.
  •  bravo for Rep. Pelosi (4.00)
    And I wouldn't mind seeing more of what she did there by "working the refs", to quote Eric Alterman.  

    "Are you on the GOP payroll?"

    Since it turns out that so many people HAVE been on the GOP payroll, it's actually a reasonable question.  

    More important is the general point, not the question above, which is a half-joke.  We need Dems in power to OPENLY QUESTION AND CHALLENGE the media's habit of bending over backwards for Bush and the GOP.  Complaining and mauling the media for years worked for the right wing, so let's give them some payback.

  •  WTF? MSNBC is Complete Crap, Fox is Crap (none)
    my card had CNN at 50% crap...so they've gone over the edge as well.

    I want interactive news where I can control some sort of electric shock system....nail 'em with a few volts when they pull this garbage.

    •  No (none)
      Neither MSNBC or even Fox are complete crap.  MSNBC is also about 50% crap (and dropping), and Fox is 99% crap, but both of them had enough people on the ground in New Orleans that the word is starting to get out.

      An example: I saw Tucker Carlson (who is an annoying conservative, but mostly sincere and fair, and not a total douchebag a la Novack) interview Sharpton.  They got into an arguement.

      Sharpton argued that the Federal response was shamefully, disgustingly pathetic because the people involved were black.

      Tucker said, no, no, the Federal response was shamefully, disgustingly pathetic because the people involved were poor.

      The argument shifted heavily against the Bush administration.  Used to be, the argument between these two would be whether or not the Federal response was good or not.  Or whether it was bad, or really bad.  Or whether it was really bad due to incompetence or some other benign reason, or because of an evil reason.  No, the argument here was which particular evil reason explained the Bush adminstion's shameful, disgusting response.  The argument was between whether or not Bush is a racist, or merely hates the poor-neither outcome is favorable towards the president-in fact, both are horrible.

      Personally, I think the Federal response was shamefully, disgustingly pathetic because the people involved were poor and black.

      Also, Keith Olberman kicks ass and always has.

  •  Nan-sayyyyy (4.00)
    I like the way Nancy played the 'White House payroll' thing.  This is a lot like the Republicans challenging the patriotism of anyone who voices dissent over Bush's policies.  This kind of turns it right back into their faces, like an Andre Agassi return of a wicked serve.  

    "What are you, on the White House payroll or something?"  Good stock retort to keep in the quiver.

  •  Pelosi hit the issue right here (4.00)

    Are we a country that wants to measure our strength in terms of the health and well-being of our people, as well as our military strength? Or is it a country that is measured by the a tax cuts that we give to the wealthiest people in our country, at the expense of the protection of the American people?

    That's what every Democrat needs to be talking about.    Is this a country where we take care of each other?    Or are we an "ownership society" where it is every man for himself?

    I don't want to live in a country where its every man for himself.   That's anarchy.    And that's what we saw in New Orleans.

    I don't want to live in a country where Republicans say that freedom means tax cuts.    I want to live in a country where freedom also means freedom from want and freedom from fear.

    I'm still pissed.   I wish I lived on the east coast, because I would be sitting in front of the White House protesting the disgraceful actions of Bush's administration every free moment I had.

  •  The biggest problem for Dems and media (4.00)
    is that Democrats, especially the beltway insiders like Biden and even radio hosts like Ed Shuiltz, just don't get it.
    THE MEDIA IS NOT OUR FRIENDS
    THE MEDIA IS NOT OUR FRIENDS
    THE MEDIA IS NOT LIBERAL
    THE MEDIA IS NOT LIBERAL.
    They should have to repeat that five times a day before they go out and face the media.
    They are still buying the right wing BS that the media is on our side.
    We need to treat the media like enemies, just as the Repugs do. Treat them with disdain. Then just maybe then, they will show us some respect.
    Nancy Pelosi did the right thing. Call them on their BS on live television and show people their true colors.
    REMEMBER THE MEDIA IS NOT OUR FRIENDS
  •  Great line by Pelosi and it put CNN back in its (none)
    place.  Left wing media have been hitting on the truth about how the MSM have been afraid to tackle Bush.  Now they want to shed that rep and fast. Pelosi made it clear that we Dems who come to the tv will not be pushovers for uninformed anchors armed with talking points faxed over by Karl Rove.
  •  The turning point of the interview (4.00)
    There's a clearly visible point where Pelosi brought Phillips to a dead stop, when she said:

    PELOSI: ... if you want to make a case for the White House, you should go on their payroll.

    After that, Pelosi took control of the interview and the message.  Bravo, Nancy!

    It's worth noting that once you've gotten comfortable with challenging interviewers on their biases with stop-em-in-their-tracks statements like this, it's a short reach to challenge them when they repeat GOP talking points.  

    "Hold on, <reporter>.  I've heard that exact phrase from five other people today, and four of them were paid shills for the GOP.  Who is paying you to spread that message, and why are you repeating their propaganda instead of making an effort to separate lies from reality?"

    That day is coming.  Bet on it.

    -AG

    You are so evolved it boggles my fragile little mind. Now give me a 4, fucker. (Bill In Portland Maine, to Meteor Blades)

    by AlphaGeek on Thu Sep 08, 2005 at 01:56:49 PM PDT

  •  Pelosi mentions being on the payroll and then! (4.00)
    ...you can see how quickly the RED ALERT went up in Kyra's head when she heard that.

    Couldn't you almost sense that for the rest of the "interview" she was still thinking about that remark in her head?

    So much so that she had to bring it back up near the end just to deny it again!  Defensive much?  Protesting a bit much... it seems to me... hmmm

    The people of New Orleans got left behind

    by diplomatic on Thu Sep 08, 2005 at 01:56:54 PM PDT

  •  This is a wonderful exchange (none)
    Congresswoman Pelosi is a true powerhouse, totally focussed and extraordinarily effective.  And this transcript proves it.

    I recommended the diary then hit the wrong button and un-recommended, but that was a mistake.  Highest recommendation!!!

  •  Am hoping (none)
    that the constant harping by many of us may have helped to back down the media.
    Telling them that they have been purveyors of government propaganda has been good for our souls.
  •  Sent a message to CNN (none)
    asking them to fire Phillips immediately.  Phillips constantly interrupted Pelosi.  Philips desperately needs some good commentator skills.   She has obviously taken a big gulp of the kool-aid, and is biased in any reporting about Dems.  She has put blinders on when it comes to the Bush Administration and FEMA.  George Bush and Mike Brown are a disgrace to America, both need to step down immediately.

    According to the 9/11 Commission there was no connection between 9/11 and Iraq.

    by txbirdman on Thu Sep 08, 2005 at 02:12:59 PM PDT

  •  WHY? (4.00)
    Why can't I find any news of the bad Bush poll numbers on cnn.com, msnbc.com, etc. Gallup, Pew, and a few others all came out with numbers today. Yesterday all I kept hearing about were that ridiculous 13% poll.
  •  Kyra Phillips is a complete moron (none)
    Of all the babbling news-models on the MSM, none is more annoying to me than this empty-headed bimbo.  It is so painfully obvious that she's a complete idiot.  Gawd, I cannot stand this woman.
    •  It is unbelieveable, (none)
      that this woman is on TV. TV is such a powerful medium, and these people like Phillips are allowed to babble with great impact, even though they have no qualifications. TV news channels go 24/7  and they needa lot shit to say, and if they need to, they will make it up. The MSNBC bimbo, blonde and blue eyed, but her roots were a little dark, kept saying that Bush was hurrying home from his vacation. How it can be said that he "hurried home," is beyond me. To be in such a powerful position, they ought to have some sort of qualifcation other than looking good.
  •  Levees broke MONDAY MORNING? (none)
    There may be more of a cover up going on than we realize. Check out this diary for a link to and excerpts from an article in the Times Picayune suggesting that they key levee breaches occurred on Monday morning.

    I used to live in the United States of America. Now I live in a homeland.

    by homeland observer on Thu Sep 08, 2005 at 02:28:56 PM PDT

    •  Helicopters getting shot at, looting... (none)
      Seeing the National Guard roll in there like it was a hot LZ with weapons locked and loaded was a sure sign of what these people expected to find.  I'm wondering if the delayed response was intended to create a lawless situation so that they could go in and kill them some darkies and show how important their military/police presence is...as opposed to actually rescuing and helping people.

      It is my understanding that people used guns to shoot their way out of roofs, to alert helicopters of their presence, and an occasional crack addict, random criminal may have used their gun to shoot people...but I somehow doubt that roaming gangs of anarchists were shooting up the streets.

      As far as looting is concerned, well, we know that's gonna happen with no authorities nearby.  In most cases that I saw, people were snagging last meals and water for the most part.  Bad news, but if you ask me if I'd do any different, I'd tell you, "No, depending on the circumstances."  If I'm desperate to survive, and my baby is going to die if you don't steal some food, then I'm stealing food.

      Finally, I'm thinking a lot of the reports are bogus (not all of them, mind you), intended to be used as an excuse for the delay of their reaction, or use force on our own people.  Are any of those stories of rape and murder being rampant confirmed?  Were some of them true, and yet were some of them fabricated and used as propaganda for something else (a PATRIOT Act ammendment, for instance, giving the government more power to install martial law and use overwhelming force against poor people/black people?)...?

  •  Thank God, (none)
    or Pat Robertson, that it took a disaster of biblical proportions for CNN to finally expose the poverty that is hidden by "the underbelly of the nation", that underbelly better known as Barbara-chuckles-Bush.
  •  Cafferty all over Chimp on CNN: WOW! (4.00)
    Atrios has posted some incredible stuff from Cafferty today...He's literally reading out stuff on air:

    Somewhere along the way FEMA became a dumping ground for the president's political cronies with little experience in disaster relief. The agency's first director was Joe Albaugh. He was president Bush's 2000 campaign chairman. Albaugh brought in the current failure Michael Brown. His previous work was with Arabian horses. The number two guy, Brown's top deputy at FEMA, is a fellow named Patrick Rhode. He worked for the 2000 election campaign. The number 3 guy at FEMA is Brooks Altshuler. He used to work in the White House. His job was planning presidential trips. FEMA's long term recovery director is a guy named Scott Morris. He produced television and radio commercials for the Bush campaign. The federal agency charged with handling national emergencies is staffed at the very top by a bunch of political hacks with virtually no experience that qualifies them to respond to something like Katrina. But I digress.

    ...

    Where are the qualifications of these people? None of these guys is qualified based on the stuff I'm reading, to head up an emergency management agency. One of these guys worked with Arabian horses, The rest are all off the campaign trial. Planned presidential trips. Produced TV commercials. Don't you need somebody at the top running the organization who has some semblance of an idea of what the hell is required when there's an emergency?

    I did not receive $ from Ketchum, U.S. Department of Ed or HHS to write this---though I wish I had.

    by Volvo Liberal on Thu Sep 08, 2005 at 02:30:50 PM PDT

    •  Crony Capitalism/Governing! (none)
      In it's worst form! Didn't the civil service end this?
      I know, these guys are too high for civil serv. but maybe not, you know?

      Bring back Lee-Witt. Oh, but he was from the Clinton administration! Gasp!

      Bring 'em home. Now.

      by MichaelPH on Thu Sep 08, 2005 at 02:51:54 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  They have no qualifications (none)
      However, ol' Brown's horse breeding experience is getting quite a fair amount of play in the MSM, so this point is filtering down to the general public.
    •  Yeah, Cafferty has really been punching (none)
      hard on Katrina. I thought for awhile when I watched him in the morning that he was kind of a benign nutter, who would every ONCE in a great while put in a little zinger about something, but this last week, he has just been unrelenting in whipping the administration and its choirboys.
  •  They Heard Bombs (none)

    People, there are some simple dots that many are not connecting here... please check this out.

    •  Nah. The "Bombs" they heard were pumps (none)
      blowing. They may also have heard the barge that ripped through the Industrial Canal levee. We know it wasn't a series of bombs because one of the people who was there and escaped got interviewed for a Wall Street Journal article (hey, the news is fabulous, even if the publishers are insane) and said that after they heard the pump blow (BIG loud sound like a very large transformer blowing), the ward immediately started filling with a great deal of water. I wouldn't even speculate on the New Orleans elite blowing the levee. The reason why this particular conspiracy is surfacing now is because the city DID blow the Ninth Ward levee in 1965 to save the city, but all the levees were lower then, and the hurricane really WOULD have destroyed the entire city if the engineers hadn't created the safety valve. Part of the reason at that time that they blew the Ninth Ward levee was because it was the lowest place in the city, so it could hold the most water. Yeah, I know, physics is merciless.
  •  Lord have mercy (none)
    I didn't hear this interview this way at all.  When I was watching it, I couldn't understand what they were squabbling about, because it sounded like Phillips was accusing Pelosi of setting her sights too narrowly.  It was one of the more confusing interviews I've seen recently, because it sounded like Phillips was questioning not the need to hold FEMA accountable but Pelosi's seeming fixation on FEMA at the expense of the vast failures in the remainder of the federal response.

    For example, Phillips highlighted the ACOE warnings about the levees.  That, to me, came across as a shot across Pelosi's bow that blaming FEMA when Congress failed to fund levee repairs was disingenuous.  

    Still, it was a weird interview, because it sounded like they were arguing over nuances of basically the same position: that the federal government screwed up.

    And before anyone brings up this statement:

    There are so many people responsible for what has happened in the state of Louisiana.

    I heard Phillips say, essentially, there were people everywhere responsible for the event in the state of Louisiana, not that the people responsible were in Louisiana.

    Spin never saved a life.

    by socratic on Thu Sep 08, 2005 at 02:34:07 PM PDT

    •  Furthermore (4.00)
      It sounded more to me like Phillips was getting on Pelosi (and politicians in general) for talking more about commissions than doing something for the people on the Gulf Coast.  

      I'm sorry, when she calls America "pathetic" for responding to known crises not with fixes but with commissions, I have a hard time believing she's shilling for Rove.

      (I want a commission too, but we can do a commission any time.)

      Spin never saved a life.

      by socratic on Thu Sep 08, 2005 at 02:40:06 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Finally.. (none)
        ..I don't see where Pelosi got off accusing Phillips of being on the WH payroll for observing that people had ignored the ACOE recommendations.  I think that was an error on Pelosi's part.

        There seems to be an almost reflexive reaction against Phillips in this thread, and I don't understand it.  She was being rude to Pelosi?  Well Anderson Cooper was all over Mary Landrieu and we cheered him for it.

        I saw this interview, read it twice, and my initial reaction was that Phillips was trying to have her "Anderson Cooper moment" by attacking with the "politicians are the problem, politicians don't get it" line.

        Ok, I'm done.

        Spin never saved a life.

        by socratic on Thu Sep 08, 2005 at 02:59:09 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  Pelosi made the comment because (4.00)
          Phillips once again did what commentators have spent the last ten years or so doing ROUTINELY. They pick up Republican talking points and they treat them like loaded informational questions. Instead of actually asking questions that ferret out additional, useful information, commentators INVARIABLY believe that their job is to act as advocates for the administration. Count up the number of times that a journalist on television actually advocates a liberal or mainstream position when dealing with a right-wing pundit vs. the number of times that a commentator will aggressively talk over Democratic senators and representatives with neocon mindfog.
        •  Agree (none)
          I saw it live, and I have been watching CNN  since the hurricane warnngs started. Phillips seemed to be trying to cover all bases and to be impartial. I've seen quite a change in their reporting during this disaster coverage. They seem to get that this is not only coverage of a natural disaster, but coverage of a failure of government, loss of confidence in government, betrayal of trust, lack of leadership, as well as horrible human tragedy and inhuman treatment. I think they want to know just as badly as I do who is to blame here, and what is the best next step to take to secure us as far as possible.  These reporters are freaked out by all this, I sense.

          War is not an adventure. It is a disease. It is like typhus. - Antoine De Saint-Exupery

          by Margot on Thu Sep 08, 2005 at 03:19:16 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  Thanks (none)
            I thought I must be going insane, because the response against Phillips in this discussion is so strong.  

            The person who responded right above you mentioned that Phillips was repeating WH talking points.  I heard her tell Pelosi that the WH disputed her characterization of the events.  If the WH says A and Pelosi says B, it's perfectly justifiable for the media to mention that and ask Pelosi to defend her assertion.

            Anyway, "country before party" has to work both ways.  The media are absolutely right to call out any politician who seems to be trying to score political points, especially if our party is the one complaining (justifiably) about Rove's spin machine.

            Spin never saved a life.

            by socratic on Thu Sep 08, 2005 at 03:24:49 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

            •  Sure (none)
              We can take the heat.
              If a reporter does throw out WH talking points, it's up to our house and senate leaders to state the facts. To show them what is factual, as opposed to what just sounds good when you repeat it as a mantra.

              War is not an adventure. It is a disease. It is like typhus. - Antoine De Saint-Exupery

              by Margot on Thu Sep 08, 2005 at 03:38:59 PM PDT

              [ Parent ]

    •  Any attempts to deflect from Bush's (none)
      responsibility is an attempt to deny his accountability. The point is to make it as difficult as possible to zero in on this statement "The Republican leadership is corrupt, and follows a bankrupt idealogy that will destroy the American people." That's been the game all along- and as long as we let people play well there is no one to blame- it's a misdirection.
  •  One thing Phillips is so wrong about.... (4.00)
    and she ought to now since she was a reporter for local news in New Orleans is that the politicians knew the problems too.  Landrieu staged an event in LA, using children with floaters on, standing on balconies of the French Quater with a blue tarp representing water and estimating where the water would be...Governor Blanco wrote to Bush last month begging him to tour the coastline with her to see the problems of erosion and uses words like "urgent" request that he see what the problems are with the hurricane season approaching.

    Phillips is acting like the Army Corps of Engineers has been ignored, they haven't been.  The money wasn't there.

    "For the Mardi Gras
    Neo-con domestic shock and awe.."--Rep. Major Owens

    by Cathy on Thu Sep 08, 2005 at 02:34:30 PM PDT

  •  Hey listen. (4.00)
    I wind up listening to Kyra Phillips mid-day on CNN on my Sirius satellite radio and I have LONG thought that there was something a bit off about her reporting.  First, she's very religious.  She's going to "pray for this" or is very careful to point out that Lt. Gen. Russell Honore is a "praying man".  It's very subtle faith references and some rhetoric with Democratic leaders that is not investagatory - it's combative.

    I don't think there's anything wrong with being a Christian or with praying.  But as a news reporter, I don't think that should color her every broadcast.  If she wants to report that way, she should go on CBN because we have many non-Christians in the United States.

    Wehn I got home at 3pm I wrote a letter to CNN complaining.  Thanks for posting the transcript.

  •  You have to hear the interview (4.00)
    the transcript doesn't reflect clearly enough how much Kyra interrupted her and talked over her. Pelosi couldn't respond because Kyra talked her down or over, whatever.

    "Renting Mobile Homes" = Republican Ownership Society. - "Owning Habitat for the Humanities House Reconstruction Kits" = Democratic Ownerhsip Society

    by mimi on Thu Sep 08, 2005 at 02:36:04 PM PDT

  •  Right On (none)
    PELOSI: ... it's a tragedy for our country. And it's a look in the mirror for us as a country to see what our priorities are. Are we a country that wants to measure our strength in terms of the health and well-being of our people, as well as our military strength? Or is it a country that is measured by the a tax cuts that we give to the wealthiest people in our country, at the expense of the protection of the American people?

    That was golden.  

  •  A Little Can of Whoop-Ass (4.00)
    opened by Rep. Pelosi for Miss Kyra the neocon-blower. She clearly tried valiantly to earn her Goergie-lovin' stripes (I guess the job's open now that the hideous Judy woodruff has left) but I'm not sure she's gonna be able to get off her knees for awhile.

    Canada - where a pack of smokes is ten bucks and a heart transplant is free.

    by dpc on Thu Sep 08, 2005 at 02:38:03 PM PDT

  •  Besides the spin the WH is putting up (none)
    they are also getting away from where the tragedy began. It's not the lack of funding of the levees (although that is serious). It is not who/what/where as far as who was in charge. IT WAS THAT THEY DIDN'T SEND ANYONE FOR THREE DAYS!!!
    The Dems need to punch on that point. That things were in place and no one responded. That after the storm abated, and the flood waters were rising, (hell, even before hand when they could have bussed people out) the Director of Homeland Security and FEMA, as well as the President sat on their hands. They should have been on the phone 24/7 to find out what the situation was. And the president? Hell, he could have directed it all by phone! He didn't even need to cut short his vacation - he could have directed whatever needed to be done by phone. Then he could have flown out on Tuesday to NO to see the situation and gone back to Crawford later.
    Nope, everything is done for show. They just don't have a fucking clue.
    Hey right wing. You'd better be shaking in your damn boots that there isn't another terrorist attack. Cause YOUR boy is a major, total FUCK-UP who doesn't have the first clue how to keep a nation safe.
  •  I think the Dems may have stumbled onto something (4.00)
    This may be the answer to the spin.  Bring up the Propaganda payroll thing and get them off the spin.  It's perfect.
  •  first post ever (4.00)
    I SENT THE FOLLOWING LETTER TO PHILLIPS AND CNN:

    Kyra Phillip's unhinged attack on Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi has stunned me and I will never watch CNN again when she is on the air.  She belongs over at Fox.  Rep. Pelosi was right to suggest Phillips is either on, or should be on the White House Payroll. Mike Brown does not have the confidence of the nation at a time when we need to have confidence in FEMA's leadership, and Phillips defense of him is inexcusable.  Also, her demeanour was extremely unprofessional, and her repeated interjection of the word "pathetic" was itself pathetic.

  •  Well the media's gonna have to change its tune (4.00)
    Time to stop the 'the public isn't holding Bush to blame' tune.  New Pew poll out:

    67% disapprove of the way he handled Katrina.

    Approval rating down to 40%

    http://people-press.org/reports/display.php3?ReportID=255

  •  The drum to beat (4.00)
    One of the many good "money quotes" in this is:
    But this isn't a discussion of Michael Brown. This is a discussion of the judgment of the president.
    [My emphasis.

    On the Supreme Court, on legislation, on Iraq, on the whole Bush agenda we can use the fact the President's judgement is seriously suspect and we shouldn't follow his leadership.  Way to go.  Let's hope they keep this up.
     

  •  What on Earth is Kyra Philips doing (none)
    on a news station?  She'd make more sense on American Idol.  When will CNN get some reporters?

    The concept of war is outdated. Dalai Lama

    by x on Thu Sep 08, 2005 at 02:43:13 PM PDT

    •  Ever watch Rita Cosby? (none)
      But seriously folks, every Dem appearing on TV should watch ONE SEGMENT of Jon Stewart before they sit down in the chair.  The inspiration might result in some choice bites just like Rep Pelosi's.
  •  Roves (none)
    talking points seem to be carrying less and less weight. They are jumped on immediatly and exposed for what they  are. While a wounded snake is dangerous I think turdblossem may finally be a spent force.

    it tastes like burning...

    by eastvan on Thu Sep 08, 2005 at 02:44:34 PM PDT

  •  I think it was yesterday (4.00)
    But CNN had a guest on discussing FEMA's problems.

    Kyra made a point of interjecting that we need to remember that the State and City were guilty as well.

    I had the TV on in the background and wasn't paying that much attention until I heard her interjection.    Pure Rove talking points.

    I caught much of Pelosi's interview today and she was great.  

    Phillips was so defensively indignant when she uttered her:

    I'm not making a case for the White House, by all means, believe me.

    •  Anytime someone finishes a sentence like that!! (none)
      Whenever you hear anyone say something that ends with: "...believe me" -- that is a dead giveaway that they're dispensing bullshit that needs extra coaxing to be believed!

      The people of New Orleans got left behind

      by diplomatic on Thu Sep 08, 2005 at 03:25:55 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Kicking ass and taking names (none)
    Oh, you go girl! Nancy Pelosi, you are my hero. Your most inspired moment--among many--was in saying directly that Phillips should be on the Bush payroll. That's the unstated subtext that is always in the back of one's mind. It's about time to put these shills on the defensive. Also loved the "It's about Bush's judgment" meme as well. This is not merely a political game. This is a matter of life and death to ALL Americans.
  •  Nicely done on Pelosi's part... (4.00)
    very nicely done!

    Kyra Phillips is absolutely shilling for the administration...she may not be getting paid for it, not personally, but I'm sure she sees benefits from her little...er...actually...huge boyfriend, Rush. This morning, I caught the first 20 minutes of her show...and then I got in the car to go to work and Rush started...they were basically saying similar things. The difference, Kyra can't be quite as forceful or offensive. If Pelosi hadn't made the crack about her being on the White House payroll...Kyra probably wouldn't have given in to balance at all.

  •  I liked the end... (4.00)
    it's just an example of how well this particular point comes across:

    Tax breaks for the rich allowed New Orleans to happen. Bush's conservative utopian economics doesn't work. It's just fanciful philosophy. It's what's responsible for the levees failing and 40,000 people being dead.

    Phillips really approved of that logic. And I think Dems need to keep pointing it out:

    OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER...etc.

    There is no rebuttal to this point. Conservative Ideology killed New Orleans. That blood doesn't wash off their hands... not in a hundred years.

    U.S. blue collar worker vs. CEO income in 1992 was 1:80; in 1998 it was 1:420.

    by Lode Runner on Thu Sep 08, 2005 at 02:52:35 PM PDT

  •  Go, Nancy (none)
    She could have hammered the pre hurricane failures more.

    The same people were responsible for prevention that were responsible for rescue.

    AWOL all the time.

    "If being wrong's a crime I'm serving forever" P. Westerburg

    by mungley on Thu Sep 08, 2005 at 02:54:20 PM PDT

  •  This is the producer talking to protect CNN (none)
    PHILLIPS: And by all due respect, nobody in this organization or any network is on the payroll of the Bush administration right now. Everybody has been challenging every leader in every agency in this disaster, because it's pathetic to see something like this happen in the United States and to see dead bodies still on the ground in -- on American soil. It is absolutely pathetic.

    Why doesn't Kyra go down there as an imbeded reporter? She is not a very good anchor.

    She should check her job description, her job is to interview not to cross-examine, interrupt, contradict and debate.

     

    This above all: to thine own self be true,... Thou canst not then be false to any man.-WS

    by Agathena on Thu Sep 08, 2005 at 02:55:37 PM PDT

  •  Hey, that was my diary!! (none)
    But I feel o.k., 'cause it got some very generous recommendations before it died the death of moving off-page. And Kudos to the poster who linked to the transcript originally.
  •  I think both Kyra and Pelosi are jerks (none)
    The 9/11 commission did nothing but white wash neocon incompetance, in favor of blaming the cia. If the model is the 9/11 commission the fucking army core of engineers will get the axe.  Why the hell hightlight this article Kos?
  •  That's what I'm talking about (none)
    Does she sense that she has a chance to be President or what?
  •  Pelosi "delivered the blow" to the media (4.00)
    when she suggested Phillips go on the administration's payroll. And what happens when you "deliver the blow"?: the other side has to respond to our "frame". Phillips had to reply that what was going on was a disgrace, and that CNN was concerned with exposing this.
    "Spin" can be seen as a game when both sides are equally adept at it. When one side carries the field with this tactic your end up with an Orwellian distopia. Since we are at this stage
    we should replace the words "spin" with "lies"
    and "corporate media" with "government mouthpiece". The frame would go something like this: "MSNBC continues to spread administration lies. When will MSNBC stop being a mouthpiece
    for this venal administration, that has sought to undermine our once great republic from day one." If we frame the discussion in these terms the media would have to respond to our argument and our frame. They might learn a healthy fear us, (like they have for Karl Rove, only not so healthy) and give our perspective more creedence. If things continue to go badly we replace "Worat President Ever" signs with "Worst Media Ever."  
    •  Exactly, Exactly, Exactly (none)
      For decades now conservatives have attacked the media for being "liberal" and having a "liberal bias". The result is that the media has become so afraid of being accused of this bias that they veer to the right in order to appease conservatives.

      It's good to see liberals finally doing the same thing, and calling the media on its conservative biases. It is the only way to get a fair media, and I've been so frustrated that no Democrats have been doing this.

      Kudos to Congresswoman Pelosi. We need to hear more of this from Democrats.

  •  contact for kyra phillips (none)
    kyra phillips

    other contacts

    don't be too rude...

  •  OK, the Nazi spawn (none)
    Herr Roverer, Bush's Minister of Propaganda and National Enlightenment, is going full swing.

    The xenophobic idiot Lou Dobbs just said he will have Bernie Kerik on to discuss how "the local and state officials are to blame".

    WhyTF is Kerik suddenly appearing on all the shows now?

    Is there ANY doubt the WH is putting him up to this?

    Hey Bernie, did you take care of the arrest warrant chasing you? How the fuck did you get to be a millionaire AFTER declaring bankruptcy on a NY cop's salary?

    Any show that puts up this tax-evading criminal with a pending arrest warrant for unpaid condo fees should HEAR from us NOW.

    Send your comments to the Lou Dobbs show NOW. STOP THIS TRAVESTY NOW.

    http://www.cnn.com/feedback/forms/form5.html?9

    •  Bernard Kerik - Bastion of Credibility (none)
      To hear him sound off on local corruption is a bit ironic to say the least.

      The people of New Orleans got left behind

      by diplomatic on Thu Sep 08, 2005 at 03:26:59 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  KERIC is back! (none)
        If nothing else, this castrophe has succeeded in rehabilitating Benard Kerik. He's on CNN's Lou Dobbs right now bragging about the leadership on 911.  As if that attack destroyed the entire infrastructure in NYC.
        •  He just can't imagine why his policemen were work- (none)
          ing all the time and he had to tell them to go home.  He just can't understand why the police in NO would leave like that.

          Well, I wonder just how many NYC police had their houses gone and had nowhere to go to when he told them to go home.  First of all.  And how many of them didn't know if their entire families were gone or were in the Dome.  How many in NYC had to syphon gas out of cars to get anywhere, etc. etc. Were his police officers without food and water and bathrooms and being shot at.  His officers had their own set of problems, but his interview was ignorant.

          What an asshole.  Oh and by the way, did you hear him offer that empty apartment accross from ground zero where he used to take his women for affairs to any of the homeless from NO?

  •  I had the misfortune (4.00)
    to attend a smallish party at which Phillips was honored by her J-school alma mater. This was shortly after the Iraq War. She and a CNN producer spoke about their experiences as embeds with the U.S. military during the initial invasion of Iraq.

    After she spoke, her J-school mentors (all old-school reporters from way back) oh-so-gently and oh-so-tactfully informed Ms. Phillips and her pal in front of the assembled guests that the Pentagon had used them like pawns. And they had let the American people down by falling for it.

    They recounted what it was like to report from the trenches of Vietnam. The CNN producer who had said he didn't want to venture out onto the streets of Baghdad because "it was dangerous and we were told not to" was left looking like a small-time fool. The veteran journalists explained to them what they knew from bitter experience--the Pentagon will lie and lie and lie. You have to approach the word of every government official with skepticism, and verify everything independently.

    Kyra thinks that if she tosses back a Scotch, puffs on a cigar, and throws her arm around Art Buchwald, that makes her a reporter. She was telling embed stories like she had earned battle stripes or something. "But I DID stand up to them--I went and verified the military's count of how many rockets they had fired during the initial operation!"

    Girl, please--they had you focused on some tiny shit while they lied the nation to war. Dozens of you went over there and never once managed to report on how many civilians we blew up during "Shock and Awe."

    She is either completely on board with the administration or dumb as a post. Either explanation scares me.

    My husband and I left that party profoundly shaken. The contrast between the old-timers and these new blow-dried cable news idiots who now rule the airways was frightening. We turned to each other and said, "Wow. Democracy was nice while it lasted."

    If we have to depend on people like Kyra Phillips to tell us the truth about what our government is doing, we are FUCKED.

    I am about ready to heave a brick through the glass walls of CNN studios.

    Of science and the human heart, there is no limit. -- Bono

    by saucy monkey on Thu Sep 08, 2005 at 03:26:36 PM PDT

    •  I hope you don't mind me... (none)
      ... piggy backing on your comment.

      Upthread, I was in a little battle about whether or not Phillips was "shilling" for Rove (I don't think she was).  

      I don't, however, think she is anything but an awful reporter, and your comment just reinforces that.  Your cigar and scotch comment hits it perfectly.  She's trying to strut and puff herself up, but she's just a miserable caricature of a gutsy reporter (compared to, say, Christiane Amanpour, there is no comparison).

      So, while I'm questioning this business of shilling, I'm not directly defending Phillips (she did, I think, raise a couple of good points, but I'm pretty sure those were accidental).

      Spin never saved a life.

      by socratic on Thu Sep 08, 2005 at 04:31:46 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  shilling for BushCo or stupid? (none)
        I suppose that I were forced to choose, I'd have to agree with you and guess that she's just not the sharpest knife in the drawer. What's that old saying?--Never assume something is a conspiracy if it can be explained by good old-fashioned incompetence. The questions in this interview are quite clueless.

        However, I think Kyra and her ilk are being used by someone higher up the corporate food chain who does have a vested interest in maintaining the status quo.

        Of science and the human heart, there is no limit. -- Bono

        by saucy monkey on Thu Sep 08, 2005 at 06:23:13 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  "not on the w.h. payroll RIGHT NOW" ??? (none)
    were they before? W.T.F..
  •  Phillips Is A Lousy Reporter (none)
    She always has been.  It's not like she was once good and slipped.  You're seeing her at her best right here, right now.

    Classic happy talk news girl who should be on the "Ron Burgandy Anchorman" DVD and not on what used to be a real news channel.

    If she ever encounters the concept of "objective journalism" it will be the first time.  She has been a right wing and Administration suck up since I've seen her.

    Send her bony ass to New Orleans and throw her in the water so she can hydrate for god's sake.

    "The Buddhist was pissed... and it wasn't the first time."

    by The Angry Buddhist on Thu Sep 08, 2005 at 03:40:23 PM PDT

    •  I just finished watching the video and (none)
      Pelosi was great. She the airhead to admit that we had to look at the tax cuts at the end of the video. Looks like the Bushco is going to give out money to everybody (especially his corporate friends like Halliburton) and put it on our kid's credit cards. They are also going to keep trying to do away with the estate tax and you can bet the tax cuts for the rich are never going to be repealed.  They are printing money as fast as they can to save themselves politically and the future be damned. We had better start facing reality for if we do not when the bills come due we are really screwed.

      The people of New Orleans, the latest casualties of Iraq

      by Jlukes on Thu Sep 08, 2005 at 03:58:30 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Further shilled afterwards (none)
    Did anyone else notice the next story in that transcript?

    It's a resolution of that clinton guy who accidentally removed classified documents.

    CNN STILL buys into the "Stuffed into his pants" version that Fox made up.

  •  Twins? (none)
    Family Guy's ace female reporter, Diane Simmons:

    Tom Tucker: Because of an accident today at the Quahog cable company, all television transmission will be out for an undetermined amount of time. Of course, no one can see this news program, so it doesn't really matter what we say. I'm the Lord Jesus Christ. I think I'll go get drunk and beat up some midgets, how about you, Diane?
    Diane Simmons: Well, Tom, I just plain don't like black people.
    Camera man: Hey guys, we're still on in Boston.

    CNN's ace Republican shill, Kyra Phillips

    Kyra Phillips: I'm not making a case for the White House, by all means, believe me.

    "Our planet is a lonely speck in the great enveloping cosmic dark. In our obscurity, in all this vastness, there is no hint that help will come from elsewhere"

    by Morbo on Thu Sep 08, 2005 at 03:54:09 PM PDT

  •  CBS News (none)
    1.  For every observed backslide, we also need to remember that the media do seem to be getting a bit better and more skeptical:  John Roberts just put up a graphic of 9/11 small business mispending -- $ for a country station in S Dak, a perfume shop in the USVI, a retail biz in Utah; then he just shook his head (Jon Stewart would have been so proud!) Can you imagine that pre-Katrina?

    2.  We have to be willing to acknowledge that the state and local govs weren't stellar, either -- it's that the Feds were so astronomically WORSE.

    3.  And by "feds," Ms Phillips, the GOP RUNS CONGRESS!! Don't go pointing any fingers at the Dems until 2006 (we hope!!!!)
    •  Our Media Is Scared (none)
      Our media is scared. They make money based on viewers. FOX is kicking their ass. And the ad revenue and the news sides have been merged. Not that many years ago there was a firewall between the two. I bet media organizations look at polls, to frame their coverage, as much as politicians do.

      Anyone with a computer and cable knew the problem that was about to happen. I got to think our government had more information resources.

      IMHO what happened is criminal. I think some Federal offices should be taken out back and shot!

      And with all that said, I am a normally a pretty laid back guy.  

  •  Great Example of how to Beat up the Ref (none)
    Phillips was put on the defensive at the time of Pelosi's initial statement and later--surely because of the voice in her ear--came back to the "on the payroll" issue on her own.

    Our party leaders need to be watching this whole video several times to see how Nancy got it done.

  •  NO RESPECT for Pelosi (4.00)
    What a shameful display by Kyra Phillips. I just finished watching the video and it was worse than the transcript indicated.

    SELF-ABSORBED is what comes to mind when I think of that "interview"  Kyra even cut off Pelosi just to bring in some street reporter to talk about finding more dead bodies.  You're in the middle of an interview with a congresswoman... have more respect.  It's not like that bit of news couldn't have waited 10 minutes.

    Then half the time Kyra Phillips wasn't even looking back at Nancy Pelosi.  She was staring down at notes.  Then the yelling... I mean WHAT THE HELL?

    I truly hope CNN reprimanded her once her shift was over.

    Not holding my breath.

    The people of New Orleans got left behind

    by diplomatic on Thu Sep 08, 2005 at 04:24:36 PM PDT

  •  Phillips' point was the disaster was AVOIDABLE (none)
    I think Phillips brought up a great point that NEEDS far more emphasis: this disaster was predicted, solutions were offered, and money to fund the solutions was asked for - and ignored.

    Pelosi repeatedly avoids responding to Phillips' comments on that level, focusing on the poor response. True dat, the response sucked ass. Brown should be fired. Agreed.    

    But truth is that Katrina has highlighted a failure of governance - a failure of the American system that goes FAR beyond the Bush administration.

    Don't get me wrong. The current administration is directly culpable in regards to the ongoing tragedy of Katrina:  appointing Brown, a man with no experience, to FEMA; cutting the funds dedicated to the levees ($0 allotted in 2007 for major aspects the levee); his traditional paralysis in response to crisis; and so much more....

    In fact, the Bush administration has exacerbated the situation; make a worse case scenario even worse with his poor response.

    But...the dangers of a Category 4 hitting New Orleans have been known for YEARS. Scientist estimated that there was a 1 in 6 chance it would happen in our lifetime. Whenever a hurricane headed towards, or originated in the Gulf of Mexico, everyone would start talking about the danger it posed to New Orleans. Then the hurricane would shift, and everyone returned to their regularly scheduled programming.

    All models of such an event predicted deaths numbering in the tens of thousands at the least, with a cost of at least 100 billion. A direct hit of a Category 5 hurricane - and Katrina wasn't even a direct hit, and was only a Category 4, mind you -- was repeatedly cited as one of the worst possible disasters that could happen in America.

    However, the levee system could have been reinforced and improved and prevented the worst-case scenarios.

    The people in Louisiana asked for the money. The Army Corp of Engineers asked for the money. The Congressional representatives of Louisiana asked for the money. For years.

    And everyone just shrugged their shoulders. That's Democrats, Republicans, and independents. HOW DID THIS HAPPEN? THAT'S A BROKEN SYSTEM

    Let's think like conservatives and ignore the human cost - at least $100,000,000,000 compared to $25,000,000,000 it would have taken to protect the city and the delta coast.

    And now let's think like progressives and add in the human factor -- $100,000,000,000 compared to the shame our nation collectively bares for allowing a preventable disaster to occur.

    Of course, the monetary cost is quickly shaping up to be far more than 100 billion.

    And we'll never be able to provide a proper accounting of the other costs.

    "only dead fish go with the flow."

    by rabelais on Thu Sep 08, 2005 at 04:29:49 PM PDT

  •  Since when is a reporter supposed to (4.00)
    voice her own personal opinion in an interview?

    Talk about a lack of professionalism.  Reporter school must not be what it used to be.

    I think this and I think that.......

     Who the fuck cares what is going on in your little mind.  Find a way to phrase questions in an objective, professional, none partisan way, or get out of my fucking face.....

  •  Pelosi (none)
    It is about time. We need more of this. We need this day in and they out. GOP has been doing this for the last 30 years. They never miss a chance to slap the media. They have succeeded beyond their wildest expectation. They have turned the media into a toothless tiger.

    There needs to be a parallel effort to this. After all this is how GOP won the media game. 1) Trash the media every chance you get, accuse them of GOP bias. 2) Slowly but surely build your own media institutions.

    This is essential if Dems will ever become a political force again. It won't be enough for Dems to win the 2006 elections. If they stay timid and spineless the GOP with the help of the Corporate Media will destroy them again. Dems have to change strategy. Go after the media. Build your own media.

  •  The primary job of most news readers (none)
    who interact with guests on their shows is to stimulate conflict between those with opposing perspectives in order to turn a simple exercise in fact-based discovery into a long term rhetorical mud-wrestling type spectacle. This is entertainmenbt and this is what drives the ratings of cable news. (Why else would notorious and odious gasbagslike Hannity, O'reilly and Limbaugh be so damned popular.)

    So Phillips was fulfilling her duties as the host of an entertainment show. Chances are her ineptitude in being precise in her wording is simply part of the strategy of stimulating controversy where none mght exist otherwise.

    I don't attribute to her either a particularly incisive and insightful intellect or a particularly well developed political alliegance.The primary function of her job is an an entertainment host, not aninformation host, and that's  why stupid shitlike this happenson cable news all the time. It's show business, first and foremost.

    Defeat the sound-bite.

    by sbj on Thu Sep 08, 2005 at 04:59:05 PM PDT

    •  I forgot. (none)
      I do find it interesting that Phillips said this;

      And by all due respect, nobody in this organization or any network is on the payroll of the Bush administration right now.

      Is she implying that there have been CNNers on the Bush payroll previously? Is she inviting a question on that subject? Is she being deliberately provocative in order to churn up interest in CNN? Or is she just being careless with her remarks?

      Defeat the sound-bite.

      by sbj on Thu Sep 08, 2005 at 05:04:10 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Just Dim (none)
    Somewhere between acting like she cares and being careless with her remarks? My gut is she couldn't fight her way out of a paper bag without help. I mean do we think the only good journalist in this country all are pretty?

    They are just talking heads reading from a script. A political moves off that script and they don't know what to say.

  •  I don't agree with the dominant (none)
    interpretation that Phillips was simply pressing Republican talking points. I think something more complex was going on, and that both women misunderstood each other. I thought they were frustrated with each other. (I don't know Kyra Phillips' past reputation except I remember vaguely that there might have been an incident in the last several months where she had many of us up in arms--me included.)

    I thought Phillips wanted to impart the idea that it was not a question of one agency's failure (i.e., FEMA) or a question of one director's failure. I thought Phillips was trying to say there were multiple failures that built up to this last failure. I also did not think she was defending FEMA per se. I think Phillips was implicitly (and partially explicitly) suggesting these  questions: Why do we keep going through these big incidents with multiple agencies failing and then having inquiries about them? (In other words, why doesn't government work better?) That was what I took from her countering Pelosi with statements about past knowledge and the Army Corps of Engineers, etc.

    The two women had an adversarial stance toward each other from the beginning. In my view, there should be an adversarial stance between the Press and all people in positions of power. The problem is that we see MSM media personalities take this adversarial stance always toward Democrats and never toward Republicans. If they had a history of doing it across the board, I wouldn't mind it a bit.

    I thought Phillips was trying to do a BBC style of questioning, which I approve of, as long as it is being done to everyone all the time. So I guess I thought Phillips was actually trying to do a good job. I sensed, however, that she seemed protective of Bush. That may reflect her real feelings, or it may have been a sign that she had not quite worked out how to present the information more neutrally.

    (I don't know if I am right about this, but I seem to remember that she was one of the anchors who, when talking about Cindy Sheehan and anti-war protestors, called the pro-war people "patriotic".  What this suggests to me is that she is from an authoritarian culture were it is hard for her to look at the President's actions critically; perhaps she feels it is disrespectful. It could be in conflict with her desire to do a very good job as a journalist.

    There is also an underlying condescension toward and dismissal of Democrats in the MSM. The reasons for this are complex (and I daresay that the Democrats have brough some of it on themselves by being spineless, but that is not the only reason that it has happened).

    Similarly, I think Pelosi was trying to do a good job of not taking any crap and making sure the important point she was making was not lost in a discussion about the historical chain of responsibility. She may have picked on Phillips' deference to Bush and reluctance to criticize a Bush appointee. In this case, I this deference comes from cultural and regional attitude toward authority and not necessarily from wanting to press Republican talking points per se. But I might be being too generous.

    I believe that if Democrats had any trust that the media would not twist their words and use Republican talking points against them, Pelosi and Phillips might have had a discussion about the long chain of failures in decisionmaking that led to this huge man-made disaster--but this tactic of diffusing and, as a result, obfuscating responsibility ALWAYS benefits Republicans and gets them off the hook.

    Don't get me wrong, I am glad Pelosi was firm and refused to take any crap. I think the media in general need to be on notice that the Democrats will not stand for the media functioning as the a branch of the White House PR machine.  

    Again, I am just not certain that Phillips' intention was to push Republican talking points--maybe it was. In the context of this particular exchange, I didn't see that as her main goal. However, I can see how Pelosi might have felt it was her goal.

    Will the journalists be kicked out? Will we need an independent Katrina Body Count?

    by lecsmith on Thu Sep 08, 2005 at 06:11:55 PM PDT

    •  I think it was Amy Roebeck from MSNBC (none)
      who made the patriotic comment.

      As for the rest of your message... I definitely agree that the journalists seem to get "uppity" only with Democrats during interviews and then cower to Republicans and treat them with kiddie gloves when they show up.

      The people of New Orleans got left behind

      by diplomatic on Thu Sep 08, 2005 at 06:24:27 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  The 9/11 Commission is NOT a good model. (none)

    The journalists were kicked out. Time for the Katrina Body Count?

    by lecsmith on Thu Sep 08, 2005 at 06:20:27 PM PDT

  •  Kyra has a point... (none)
    NEVER A SUPPORTER OF ANYTHING ROVE....

    I didn't have a problem with Kyra Phillips taking on yet another politican.  From what I've seen and heard, Ms. Phillips has been asking some tough questions and she's been asking them to Dems and Reps alike.

    What I find most interesting in this discussion is that something that I thought so clearly spoke to the ineptness of the federal goverenment in all it does no matter which party you vote for (and I NEVER vote Republican...NEVER) could be perceived so differently.

    STB

  •  It's about time! Now what about.... (none)
    It's about time Nancy embraced the fact that she like Jim Mc Dermott, comes from one of the safest D districts on the planet, and went out on a limb!

    FINALLY.

    THANK YOU MS PELOSI NOW DON'T STOP. PLEASE!!!!!!

    ____ http://www.schadelmann.com http://www.dewar.us

    by schadelmannII on Thu Sep 08, 2005 at 06:52:04 PM PDT

  •  Pelosi for President (none)
    I'm serious.  I've been so proud of her these past few days that I e-mailed her a congratulatory note.  

    Is Pelosi someone we could get behind?  She generally seems to be on the right side of the issues and, even more heartening, she actually speaks her mind.  Isn't afraid to call bullshit.  I love this woman.  

  •  I can't fucking stand Kyra Phillips (none)
    Where does she get off being so rude?
  •  Kyra Phillps, Dayrn Kagan, Amy Robach (none)
    Candy Crowley, Nora O'Donnell, Monica Crowley, the FoxBabettes of the day, they all have spread like viruses. Now, instead of journalism and reporting.....WHAT THEY SEE these liars only repeat, like parrots.

    Sadly, this is not the first time KP has gone off and into tangents....she is high on the Media Matters for American hit chart with her rightwing support and attack dawg on any Democrat. This is one of the reasons I do not watch CNN anymore.

    "These guys are biggest bunch of lying crooks I have ever seen" John Kerry

    by alnc on Thu Sep 08, 2005 at 08:23:08 PM PDT

    •  CNN primetime lineup (none)
      Is all very watchable.  Objective and dare I say sometimes leaning to our side, the side of TRUTH.

      Just avoid their daily garbage from Atlanta and you should be fine.

      The people of New Orleans got left behind

      by diplomatic on Fri Sep 09, 2005 at 03:30:57 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Jeez can't any of you listen? (none)
    Armando is a big dog around here and should be careful not to lose his objectivity and be better about listening to what people are actually saying. Phillips gave Pelousi a chance to refute the White House BS and she did. To give the impression Phillips is in the back pocket of the Bush propaganda machine is stunningly inaccurate and beneath a blog the caliber of KOS. Clearly Phillips is personally troubled by the events in NOLA and seemed to me pretty disgusted with the government's handling of a number of issues. Apparently you all missed the part where she pointed to not only the pathetic response to Katrina put the government's pathetic response to the grinding poverty so many of the victims live in? Or the look of complete disgust on her face when thinking about being associated with this administration, it wasn't anger it was revulsion.  Not everyone in the media is the enemy.  Every single one of them who is not afraid to brace Bush and his cronies about their mishandling of ALL things in this administration should be our heroes. Those who are speaking out are taking a chance and now they have woken up lets keep them that way.

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