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Here are some shots I've captured from traffic cams in DC -- apparently people are on the move. I'll keep updating as I find more cams and shots. Recommend to keep on the front page while the march goes on.

First shot:

Second shot:

More to come if I find more camera angles.

Originally posted to Bruce in Louisville on Sat Sep 24, 2005 at 11:22 AM PDT.

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  •  Tip jar and another shot (4.00)
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    "Bush says he doesn't want to play the "Blame Game." Makes sense. Never heard of a chicken who wanted to play the "Extra Crispy" game." -- Will Durst

    by bmaples on Sat Sep 24, 2005 at 11:23:29 AM PDT

  •  I hate it when they lie about the crowd size. (4.00)
    Thanks for posting the pics.
    •  They Always Lie About The Crowd Size (none)

      9/11 + 4 Years = Katrina... Conservatism Kills.

      by NewDirection on Sat Sep 24, 2005 at 11:32:04 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  They lied about the anti-war march today in London (none)
        Police said it was 10,000 when in reality it was 100,000.

        I guess a good way to estimate crowd size in protests is to take whatever the MSM tells you and multiply it by 10.

        "I know the human being and fish can coexist peacefully." - George W. Bush

        by chicagovigilante on Sat Sep 24, 2005 at 11:33:40 AM PDT

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        •  POLICE CHIEF SAYS AROUND 100,000 (none)
          Please post the link where you claim the Cops said it was only 10,000. They must have been incompetent FEMA cops.

          D.C. Police Chief Ramsey says in at least two articles I read so far that he would not be surprised if the crowd numbered over 100,000.

    •  AP say 100,000 (none)
      Not unreasonable. Higher estimates say 300,000.

      100,000 Demonstrators Call for U.S. Troops To Leave Iraq
      By the Associated Press
      WASHINGTON -- Opponents of the war in Iraq marched Saturday in a clamorous day of protest, song and remembrance of the dead, some showing surprisingly diverse political views even as they spoke with one loud voice in wanting U.S. troops home.

      The surging crowd, shouting "Bush out now" and "Peace now," marched in front of the White House and then to the Washington Monument in an 11-hour marathon of dissent.

      LA Times

      "Go fuck yourself, Mr. Cheney!! Go fuck yourself, asshole!!--Dr. Ben Marble greets Dick

      by Scarce on Sat Sep 24, 2005 at 02:40:33 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Another -- 2:35 (4.00)
    I'm posting these as comments so you get the time as well as the location.

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    "Bush says he doesn't want to play the "Blame Game." Makes sense. Never heard of a chicken who wanted to play the "Extra Crispy" game." -- Will Durst

    by bmaples on Sat Sep 24, 2005 at 11:33:11 AM PDT

  •  Are you getting these pics from a public webcam? (none)
    Or do you have special access to this kind of stuff?

    "I know the human being and fish can coexist peacefully." - George W. Bush

    by chicagovigilante on Sat Sep 24, 2005 at 11:37:39 AM PDT

    •  go to this site (none)

      Select Washington, DC in the drop down menu in the Find a Camera box.

      They keep saying there is a huge crowd at 15th and Constitution Avenue, and that's the most active spot I've found so far.

      I'm supposed to be there but stayed home with my son instead. Now that I see they're still rallying and haven't officially started the march yet, I'm wishing I'd headed down there anyway. :(

      "People seem not to see that their opinion of the world is also a confession of their character."--Ralph Waldo Emerson

      by rioduran on Sat Sep 24, 2005 at 11:50:07 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  This camera has been full of people (4.00)
    for at least 30 minutes, because it took me a little while to get my ImageShack account set up and upload the first pic in the diary. In other words, this size crowd has been streaming by this camera for 30 minutes without getting smaller.

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    "Bush says he doesn't want to play the "Blame Game." Makes sense. Never heard of a chicken who wanted to play the "Extra Crispy" game." -- Will Durst

    by bmaples on Sat Sep 24, 2005 at 11:38:30 AM PDT

  •  Banners moving (4.00)
    up Constitution, I think.

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    "Bush says he doesn't want to play the "Blame Game." Makes sense. Never heard of a chicken who wanted to play the "Extra Crispy" game." -- Will Durst

    by bmaples on Sat Sep 24, 2005 at 11:44:17 AM PDT

  •  CSPAN coverage is part of the problem (none)
    When they scanned in front of ANSWERS stage it showed the truth.ALL THE PROTESTERS HAVE LEFT because that stage and those speakers are do NOT represent the people marching

    CSPAN is covering the stage instead of the protest.

    by ctkeith on Sat Sep 24, 2005 at 11:48:44 AM PDT

    •  Thanks for saying it (none)
      I tuned in to C-Span earlier, but it seemed like everybody with a gripe or a cause was using the podium to push their particular pet peeve. I was expecting to hear arguments against the war and pleas for peace. Still, I'm heartened by the large crowds that are marching.
      •  I heard that... (none)
        It really made me wonder what happened to the actual protest. I wondered how many people, who've been grumbling and thinking about their concerns about the war, were watching or listening and got turned off...

        Was this the typical Bait and Switch that ANSWER seems to be famous for?

        "Computer. End holographic program...Computer? Computer?"

        by kredwyn on Sat Sep 24, 2005 at 07:13:49 PM PDT

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    •  look at the leadership (4.00)
      Honestly.I support ANSWER just now becuase they are the ones who get the permits. BUT.

      One problem we face is that our loudest organizers are almost as bad as O'Reilly. You cannot put those people behind a microphone, they love their own voices too much, and give too much ammunition to the haters.

      Some folks who have been in the fight 30 years and are radically bitter are amazing at putting together events, and terrible at speaking into anything but an echo chamber.

      This is about the moral compass of our nation, not your revolution, and not your pet issue either.  

      We want our country back

      But that doesnt mean we want ANSWER to run it afterwards.  

      asideo, With so many busses in the south, it was nice of Amtrak to cancel the trains though.

      Creationists make it sound as though a 'theory' is something you dreamt up after being drunk all night - Carl Sagan (1934 - 1996)

      by mdhatter on Sat Sep 24, 2005 at 12:52:41 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  ANSWER is basically the Workers World Party. (none)
        Believe me.  I know what I'm talking about.  We need a more mainstream progressive group running these things.  It's all too easy for Freeperville to paint us as commie pinkos.

        Most of the protesters do not agree with the people who organized the march.

        The Chimperor Has No Clothes

        by DC Pol Sci on Sat Sep 24, 2005 at 01:31:43 PM PDT

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        •  It would be wonderful if (none)
          the Democratic party was sponsoring this event but since  they are those in power of it are either chickenhawks or chickenshit ANSWER filled the void.

          Don't blame Answer.At least they know how to organize.

          by ctkeith on Sat Sep 24, 2005 at 01:40:47 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  haha, i love that... (none)
            Chickenhawks and Chickenshits

            man, we need some new political parties up in this mother@^@^#$

          •  Sponsor (none)
            I'm not expecting the DNC to sponsor it (in fact, I don't think that's a good idea). I just wish MoveOn or someone else had stepped up so we didn't have to depend on ANSWER.

            I had hope when I heard that United for Peace and Justice was sponsoring, but then it ended up combining with the ANSWER rally, leading to the usual bringing in of Palestine, Haiti, anticapitalism, etc., thus losing the focus of the rally and preventing us from having a clear message.

      •  do i need to point out the obvious? (none)
        do stuff yourself!

        learn how to get permits.  participate in your local dem party.  speak or find good speakers.

        just a thought.

    •  I don't think you are being entirely fair (none)
      I watched C-SPAN for a long time.  Yes, they had way too many speeches and the views were divergent BUT for a long time the croud was enormous.  They reason they kept having speakers was because there were huge traffic jams of people so the ones at the stage were not able to march.  They had to wait until there was room in the street.  

      The people on the stage made it very clear that the speeches would continue until everyone could join the march.

      It was only toward the end that all the divergent speakers came on.

      The Christian Right is neither Witness Every Day

      by TXsharon on Sat Sep 24, 2005 at 02:58:57 PM PDT

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  •  Anybody know the number of blocks (none)
    between Constitution and New York? Right now the march stretches at least that far, with more still coming at the Constitution Avenue camera.
  •  45 minutes later (4.00)
    and the crowd is STILL coming at this camera -- 15th and Constitution.

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  •  Thank you!! (none)
    What a breath of fresh air.  I praised CSPAN at first for their coverage, but at this point they're completely missing the story.

    Please keep us updated.  And let us know if anyone gets a good aerial shot.

  •  The crowd is going to keep coming (4.00)
    Even after today the crowd will grow. People are joining the ranks of those active against the will of the Bush Aedministration and the neo-con movement above it all. The more you see about their true motives, the more you hate their ideas.

    The ideas of greed, ego and selfishness are not part of true human nature. Community above all is number one. Only fear and ego corrupt the path towards community where everyone is working for the collective will and not just themselves.

    Maybe whats happening is that people are sick and tired of being made sick and tired by the constant tirade of fear spewed by those controlling the wingnuts. Maybe whats happening in Washington today foretells the future. Maybe we have a chance.

    Listen to Air America Radio, in L.A. at 1150AM and S.F. at 960AM. All others check out

    by proudprogressiveCA on Sat Sep 24, 2005 at 11:56:10 AM PDT

  •  GREAT STUFF! (none)
    You should change the title of the thread. Great title but as one poster said they thought it was about the hurricane.

    Thanks for the unique links!

  •  Not sure where the march is headed (4.00)
    but now they're showing up at H Street, Vermont, and Madison...

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  •  Of course, the one camera I really need (none)
    isn't working.

    15th and Pennsylvania.
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  •  Very cool... (none)
    Thanks for these.
  •  What about LA? San Francisco? (none)
    Any shots from there?

    "what is it? what can it possibly be about blow jobs and golf?" - Martian Visitor (Vonnegut)

    by Edanger6 on Sat Sep 24, 2005 at 12:06:16 PM PDT

  •  Some stragglers still moving (4.00)
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  •  Lots of people still (4.00)
    at NY and 14th.

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  •  Thanks to you! (none)
    Of course the RWM isn't covering anything but Rita and the cspan coverage has ended.

    The more understanding one posesses, the less there is to say and the more there is to do.

    by Alohaleezy on Sat Sep 24, 2005 at 12:10:38 PM PDT

  •  3:10pm Saturday - NO COVERAGE on NYTIMES.COM!!!!!! (none)
  •  NY Times (4.00)
    WASHINGTON, Sept. 24 - Thousands of protesters from around the country poured onto the lawns south of the White House on Saturday to demonstrate their opposition to the war in Iraq, pointedly directing their anger at President Bush and Vice President Dick Che

    This race is about restoring trust...that the things we talk about in a campaign are not promises to be broken, they are promises to be kept. - John Kerry 2004

    by etherapy on Sat Sep 24, 2005 at 12:12:52 PM PDT

  •  call the TIMES (none)
    Public Editor 212-556-7652

    This is INSANE that they are treating this like a local Washington event.  Who is at the helm there - Jodi Wilgoren!?

  •  Okay, last one (none)
    unless I see something unusual. I'll monitor the cams for a little while longer, but I think things are winding down. Still a crowd, though, at H / Vermont / Madison ...

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  •  DC traffic cams (none)
    DC Traffic cams but they are very slow to load right now.
  •  Still going strong (none)
    14th & Pennsylvania - 3:15

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    Thoughts from Connecticut -

    by ctsteve on Sat Sep 24, 2005 at 12:18:47 PM PDT

  •  However many (none)
    It is a lot more than the pro-Bush ?crowd? Supporters of Bush's policy in Iraq assembled in smaller numbers to get their voice heard in the day's anti-war din. About 150 of them rallied at the U.S. Navy Memorial.
    •  But They'll Still Get (none)
      50% of the sentences --one-- in any stories that are broadcast.

      We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy....--ML King, "Beyond Vietnam"

      by Gooserock on Sat Sep 24, 2005 at 01:22:32 PM PDT

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  •  still going (4.00)
    14th & NY

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    Thoughts from Connecticut -

    by ctsteve on Sat Sep 24, 2005 at 12:24:28 PM PDT

  •  Don't know how reliable (none)
    the cams are... friends who are there say they can't move in the march except with baby steps
    •  every now and then (none)
      You can see the group your friends must be in...a huge crowd, shoulder-to-shoulder. But I figure a lot of people just up and left the rally and decided to march on their own, so that's why the crowd seems to ebb and flow and sometimes there's only a few people on this street or that.
      The march continues down Pennsylvania Avenue down to about 7th, then turns around and heads back up Constitution towards the Ellipse. Check those cameras, too.

      "People seem not to see that their opinion of the world is also a confession of their character."--Ralph Waldo Emerson

      by rioduran on Sat Sep 24, 2005 at 12:30:15 PM PDT

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      •  We were massed on Constitution (none)
        Waiting to GET TO 15th, for more than an hour. Apparently those at the head of the march got slowed down substantially once they turned left onto Pennsylvania off of 15th for the march in front of the White House, because that road is much narrower than the ones we turned off from, and because there are anti-terrorist barriers that marchers had to negotiate through.  I was in the middle of the pack, (or at least that's where I started), and I finished marching past the White House at almost 4:00 p.m. That's nearly 3 hours from the time the group assembled to start marching. We definitely lost some people along the way because it was maddening to just stand and stand and stand without any idea about what was happening at the front to keep us from moving.

        And yeah-- WAAAAAY too many speeches. They were still going on for at least 20 minutes after most people assembled to start the march. They did have some excellent speakers, though, including Cindy Sheehan, another mother whose son was in Iraq, the AFL-CIO woman, and another labor organizer. Also Jesse Jackson and Cynthia McKinney.

  •  Now this! was a demonstration (none)

    thousands of people wearing the same color, with the same message.

    I'm starting to feel nostalgic.

  •  Craig the Czeck (4.00)
    why aren't you there, pounding the pavement? Make yourself some memories to tell your grandchildren. Stop disrespecting those who are, who have made the effort. Thank you.
    by patrioticliberal [Subscribe] [Edit Diary]
    Sat Sep 24th, 2005 at 12:15:41 PDT
    LIVE coverage of the march.

    Cindy Sheehan speaking soon.

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  •  Sept 24 Breaking News (none)
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    DC Road Closures

    2:10 -- Jesse Jackson and Cindy Sheehan are in front of the White House. WPFW radio reports that the crowd does not appear to be filled with many African American people. An indymedia reporter in the march says he is seeing many families who say they came out because of Cindy Sheehan. Organizers with ANSWER are reporting that more than 250,000 people have come to march, with a crowd stretching 20 blocks.

    1:55 -- About 60 Black Bloc started moving through Lafayette Park, which is open. Park Police freaked out and set up a police line in their riot gear. Bloc & Park Police started throwing pebbles and twigs back and forth. A Park Police supervisor came out and told his officers to stand down. Bloc marched on, now by the White House.

    1:50 -- Black Bloc forming to head to White House blockade.

    11:25am -- All roads west of 14th are blocked off, due to roadblocks around the World Bank. If you want to go to the Mall, go towards Lafayette Park and cut thru.

  •  Jodi (none)
    from everything I've seen, Jodi is the coordinator. She has a history of organizing left wing events, but now she demonstrates that she doesn't have the connections to pull something significant together. Something which speaks for the community.
    She may have some big names, but the prima-donnas no longer speak for the new party.
  •  Wow one hell of a large march (none)
    They are still marching at 14th & NY

    Number of marchers must be huge!!! This has been going on for a long time.

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    by ctsteve on Sat Sep 24, 2005 at 12:34:22 PM PDT

  •  check out 14th and New York Ave. (none)

    "People seem not to see that their opinion of the world is also a confession of their character."--Ralph Waldo Emerson

    by rioduran on Sat Sep 24, 2005 at 12:34:35 PM PDT

  •  they're headed back down (none)
    14th and Penn

    "People seem not to see that their opinion of the world is also a confession of their character."--Ralph Waldo Emerson

    by rioduran on Sat Sep 24, 2005 at 12:41:09 PM PDT

  •  This AP 3:21 pm update... (none)
    "Police Chief Charles H. Ramsey, noting that organizers had hoped to draw 100,000 people, said, "I think they probably hit that.""
  •  The web really does change everything. (4.00)
    Imaging even a mere five or ten years ago, without access to this technology, this would have been buried by the press and be out of site before anyone would have been able to get pcitures out to refute their lies. Something as simple as a web-enabled traffic cam changes everything.
  •  One more once (4.00)
    only because I am sorta amazed that I KEEP seeing crowds moving along on this cam.

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    It's almost 4 PM, and there are still people carrying signs and banners and moving down the street.

  •  Police Chief Charles H. Ramsey says 100,000! (4.00)
    Police Chief Charles H. Ramsey, noting that organizers had hoped to draw 100,000 people, said, "I think they probably hit that."

    This race is about restoring trust...that the things we talk about in a campaign are not promises to be broken, they are promises to be kept. - John Kerry 2004

    by etherapy on Sat Sep 24, 2005 at 12:50:18 PM PDT

  •  No one street (none)
    will show them all since they are spread out over a bunch of them. I have been browsing the traffic cams and they are on a number of parallel streets.
  •  Nice photo montage (none)
    at the WaPo site.
  •  A great big thank you (4.00)
    to every single marcher, and to you for showing us this. I was so afraid the protest would be small but this is fantastic! 500,000 next time! How I wish this old nam marcher could be there.

    The most courageous act is still to think for yourself. Aloud. -Coco Chanel

    by Overseas on Sat Sep 24, 2005 at 12:55:34 PM PDT

  •  Awesome diary (none)
    My youngest and I watched from home while I did some office work; I cried during some of the speeches. Really moving stuff --- wish someone who goes to FR would post some of these pics. They're saying that there were only 7,000 there....even AFTER they saw that cop quote. Delusional people, Bush supporters.  So often I find myself wanting to register and post pics and the truth, but me and my pics would get booted!

    "Bush should've hired Fed-Ex. They know when it has to be there overnight."

    by MissAnneThrope on Sat Sep 24, 2005 at 12:57:56 PM PDT

  •  Thanks so much for posting. (4.00)
    I refuse to get cable because I want my children to read and play their instruments.  We don't have DSL, either, although I think I will break down and get it.  Boy are we low tech now.

    I really appreciate being able to see the pictures.  I saw a brief blurb on ABC this a.m.  They panned the crowd and it looked pretty good, but that was all I've seen.

    Thanks again for posting these.  I always come to dKos to see what's going on and it gave me a huge smile!!!

    I wish I was clever enough to figure out something profound to place here.

    by boocilla69 on Sat Sep 24, 2005 at 01:01:19 PM PDT

    •  Props to you, boocilla (none)
      Imo, you're a responsible parent.

      Don't feel too bad about being 'low tech' -- I have no tv whatsoever, chop wood for heat & haul water for household use in a bucket  :)

      I concur on the value of this thread, as well -- for obvious reasons.  
      Thanks to all for contributing.

  •  Rate it up (none)
    It's only got a 3 right now, 1254 votes. Rate the protest story up at MSNBC:

    "Bush should've hired Fed-Ex. They know when it has to be there overnight."

    by MissAnneThrope on Sat Sep 24, 2005 at 01:09:21 PM PDT

  •  Live rally coverage online (none)

    Al Sharpton speaking now.

    Let the great world spin for ever down the ringing grooves of change. - Tennyson

    by bumblebums on Sat Sep 24, 2005 at 01:17:01 PM PDT

  •  Front page Yahoo! story (none)
    has a slideshow with lots of pics, on the left of the page.  Go and enjoy them and rate them up!

  •  I just finished marching, (4.00)
    and I can say that the crowds were (and still are) amazing. Before I was even able to start the march, people who had started more than an hour earlier were finishing (its a loop). It took me two and a half hours to finish the loop because of the massive number of people. And, as I finished, there were people still at the beginning starting to march. Truly impressive.

    For those asking about the Bush supporters, I did not see any (thought I am sure they were there), but I did see some Republicans for Impeachment, and Republicans for Responsibility. Wonderful.

    I have been totally without mainstream media coverage, so I hope they at least attempt to do the crowd here some justice.



    "He's on everybody else's phone, why shouldn't he be on mine?"

    by kfriend on Sat Sep 24, 2005 at 01:41:22 PM PDT

  •  Just got back from the march (none)
    there were well over 100,000.  Nice crowd of people from every walk of life.  My son and I spent the day listening to the speakers and then waited for quite a bit of time before the march began.  There were so many people there it took quite a bit of time for it to get moving.  

    DC closed off so many streets to pedestrians for what I thought was no reason.  Just to irretate us I guess.  Made people walk around in circles just to get a a metro station.

    Power tends to corrupt; absolute power corrupts absolutely - Lord Acton

    by pmob5977 on Sat Sep 24, 2005 at 01:48:38 PM PDT

  •  Just got home (none)
    and there is NO coverage, not cspan or networks. What the hell??

    When will the taxpayers get tired of paying for Bushco mistakes? Time for accountability..... Gore/Clark..Gore/Clinton..Gore/Cl.. ..flip/flop..flip/flop

    by mattes on Sat Sep 24, 2005 at 01:54:46 PM PDT

    •  no coverage (none)
      I watched the cspan broadcast beginning around 11:30 and switched to the networks periodically. There was nothing about the demonstration. Just endless repetitious coverage about the hurricane. This is shameful. There must have been reporters in Washington so where were the reports?

      "War is a racket" Major General Smedley Butler, 1935

      by sydluna on Sat Sep 24, 2005 at 02:18:19 PM PDT

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  •  Way more successful than I hoped. (none)
    COngratulations, all.

    Fighting them here, so we don't have to fight over there.

    by NorCalJim on Sat Sep 24, 2005 at 01:56:45 PM PDT

  •  Julian Bond (none)
    I love this man! He is speaking truth to an awful power. I totally agree with his description of the anti-government government:

    "They are the endangered species. The people are on to them, and the people have the power."

    One day we ALL will know the truth about the 2000 presidential election. God help us all.

    by CocoaLove on Sat Sep 24, 2005 at 02:05:29 PM PDT

  •  Please help me (none)
    Could someone tell me how to, or to post pictures from this site:

    The fighting has been major, there has been no dinner, and I would like to post these pictures to show that there has been  an important history of marches in Washington.

    •  Low-techie here (none)
      The link you've provided is good. If you want to post the images yourself, though, see if you can't transfer them to your computer, then create an account with Photobucket or ImageShack & link to them in a comment.
      Check preview before you post -- you may have to downsize the images so you don't bust the thread.
  •  Our DC resident DCP'er (none)
    who's been doing marched in DC since the 60's just got on the irc at DCP and said he thinks the crowd feels like about 300,000.  Will Pitt gave the same estimate over at Truthout
  •  Media very well represented (none)
    all along Constitution Ave. Both national and international satellite trucks.
    I was helping give away Bartcop signs and we were approached by NBC, ABC and NPR for interviews and copies of the signs. I had a very positive experience overall.
    We had 3,800 signs with photos of Bush and Cheeny and captions such as "Worst President Ever", "Liars", "Making A Killing", etc.
    People began to gather around 8am and all our signs were gone by 10am.
    Extremely wide range of people. Representing all ages, races, backgrounds and dress. Many children(mostly school age) and lots of well behaved dogs(mostly Labs).
    I only saw 2 anti protest types. Two young guys with Pro-Life messages of a piece of poster board. They were quiet and nonconfrotational.
    I'm from Virginia and often get tickets to NASCAR events from vendors and fellow workers. I've been to Charlotte and Daytona where they have 140,000 and 160,000 people in attendance. Using that as a reference I'd put today's crown at 120,000 to 130,000 people.
    BUT, many people were still arriving by bus into the late afternoon and AMTRAK service from Boston, New York, Philly and Baltimore was suspended due to "electrical power outages". We were informed that the folks on their way to the DC rally and stuck in Penn Station, etc, held impromtu rallies whereever they were. The crowd would have been considerably larger.
  •  Thank you SO much (none)
    I'm home with a sick relative, but because of you, I can experience this vicariously. I appreciate it so much!!
  •  asdf (none)
    I just got back from DC.  I went with my daughter, her boyfriend, and my son.  We had a great time.  Tons of people there.  We spent most of the time watching from the side of the parade route.  The first people finished the parade route before the last people started, so I think that was a lot of people.  Yes, a lot of people showed up with different agendas, but for the most part it seemed a family friendly event with lots of seniors, kids, etc.  I think the reason there were so many people with different "agendas" is because they needed to fill up the time and no one from the democratic party circle showed up.  Maxine Waters delivered a good speach at the end of the rally.  I actually walked by Al Sharpton but never heard him speak.  Jesse Jackson spoke, but didn't sound up to his usual self (is he ill?).  But no Dean, Feingold, Gore, Kerry that I saw.  A little disappointing that the people have to come out but no leaders had the balls to show up.  Haven't heard the numbers, but I would guess about 200,000.  It was hard because I really don't think they planned for as many people to show up so there was some confusion in the beginning of where to go and when things would actually start.

    By the way, I did go to where Kos people said to meet (in front of the visitors center near the ellipse) but no one was there.  We were a few minutes late but I guess they didn't wait for stragglers.  But I did wear orange!

  •  I appreciate (none)
    the goal of this diary, and the event appears to be a rousing success. I'm sorry I couldn't attend and so proud of those of you who have. This demonstration is exactly what people should do, and keep doing. :-)

    Just keep in mind these pictures don't show anything meaningful. They are very small windows of at most a hundred people walking by, and more likely 50.

    One picture shows demonstrators at the entrance to a 6-lane roadway. Each of those lanes is 4 yards wide, so the road is 24 yards wide. If each person is a yard wide, 24 people can march shoulder to shoulder along this road. If 100,000 people marched, 24 across, each person taking up 1 square yard (not much when you're walking) the parade would be about 2.5 miles long.

    So claims like "250,000 to 300,000 protest, 20 blocks long" are way, way off. Also, about the worse person to predict a crowd's size is someone in that crowd. That's like asking a tree how big the forest is. Furthermore, people are clearly spread out and this makes it even harder to estimate.

    Don't worry about the numbers, worry about the message. Every major network is covering this as well as scores of newspapers. That's really the point. And given that Americans are dying in NOLA, western Louisiana, eastern TX, Iraq, and Afghanistan...

    This is still the first year of Bush's 2nd term. No doubt, another march will follow and it will be larger. And another.

    The goal today was to be heard and they were, all over the world.

    -- "Enlighten the people generally, and tyranny and oppression...will vanish like evil spirits at the dawn of day." -- Thomas Jefferson

    by Todd Johnston on Sat Sep 24, 2005 at 04:42:43 PM PDT

  •  Web site Idea (none)
    I couldn't make the trip from Seattle to DC to be part of the protest, and yes, I'm another person not crazy about ANSWER's role as the organizing face of the anti-Bush/anti Iraq War movement.  But I am frustrated by the lack of accurate media coverage with respect to the number of people protesting.

    It should be possible for some enterprising member of the DKos community could put up a web site that would let people list themselves as participants in the DC protest (or other affiliated protests in other cities) so that we could at least have a count of all the people who went.  Kind of like the Dean Speaks for Me approach.

    What do you all think?  Anyone willing to take this on?  And would you distribute such a site to your friends?

  •  the visuals don't do it justice (none)
    It was a huge march. Judging by other DC marches I definitely thought there were more than 250,000 people.  It would have looked much larger if they had shortened the route a bit. We marched the long route, listened to the some of the speeches and music (Joan Baez was amazing) and when we left there were still people just beginning.  It was great!
    There were without a doubt, well over 100,000 participants in the march. Plus, there were thousands of people like me who stood on the sidelines to cheer them on and to take pictures.

    When the march started just after 12:30, I walked ahead to stake out my perch. I walked past Cindy Sheehan, who was marching next to Rev. Jessie Jackson. In front of them and along the sides of the road were dozens of media people trying to take their pictures. I raised my camera, pointed it in their direction, clicked away and hoped I aimed correctly.

    Because of train delays and late arrivals, there were hundreds of people walking against the direction of the March trying to get to the starting point. This caused the beginning of the march to slow to a crawl as they waited for the "wrong way people" to either move to the side or turn around and join in the march from where they were.

    I walked ahead to the first turn and found a ledge four feet off the ground to stand on. That's where I stood for the next three hours taking pictures. When it was over, I had takes almost 200 pictures on my digital camera!

    Does anyone know a good website where I can post them? The following site has already posted over 300 photos:

    The Rethugs had their anti-antiwar demonstration at 10AM. But it was blocks away from where we were. Their presence was as significant as a pesty fly buzzing around your head. I only saw two of their stupid signs before the march.

    Of course, there were no incidents involving police intervention. Although the cops were plentiful, they mostly stood around talking to one another.

    From beginning to end the crowded and densely packed march lasted for over three hours. People were walking past me at a rate of about ten per second. there was so much to see that it was impossible to take it all in. At 10 people per second, my estimate is 108,000 marchers.

    There were groups who represented labor unions, political causes, cities and states. People carried signs, banners, flag covered coffins, giant white doves and a huge peace sign made out of pink helium filled balloons!

    One of the most vocal groups was the one who had earlier protested at the IMF meeting. There were also several drum groups and megaphone lead slogan shouting.

    Back on the Mall, there were many tents and tables set up for people to sell their buttons, stickers, magnet ribbons, tee shirts, etc. Many groups asked for donations and had petitions for us to sign.

    Of course, the most moving display on the mall were the 1900 little white crosses perfectly lined up in row after row, followed by the empty soldiers' boots and flag covered coffins, also lined up in rows. When I saw it, I thought it looked like Bush/Cheney's sanitized conveyor belt of slaughter.

    Later, I saw someone marching with a very large full color poster of a dead soldier with his leg blown off and his severed head lying next to his torso in a puddle of blood. This image forces the horrific reality of war to smack you hard in the face, and reminds you of what the pro-peace movement is all about.

    Still, with all of those people protesting the war, there were a few missing from the event... namely, Democratic politicians who were AWOL, all far away on "previous engagements" doing their invertebrate impressions, again. Pity, and I thought the decision to attend or not attend was a no brainer. They really blew an amazing opportunity for themselves. So instead, they will continue to follow.

    I know that I wasn't the only one to notice the gaps left by the Democrats because the Green, Libertarian and other minority parties showed up and were happy to take their place.

    Tomorrow, the Peace Gathering continues...

  •  DC photos (none)
    The traffic cameras don't come close to catching the true scope of the march.  The entire route was packed, I was in the middle somewhere and upon reaching the WH, it took about 3 hrs for the march to wrap up.  Check these photos:

    "Down the long lane of the history yet to be written America knows that this world of ours, ever growing smaller, must avoid becoming a community of dreadful fear and hate, and be, instead, a proud confederation of mutual trust and respect." - Dwight Eisenhower

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