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Elitism, The Right and Blogging

Mon Jan 17, 2005 at 11:10:31 AM PDT

Update [2005-1-17 14:10:31 by Armando]:From the diaries by Armando

This book review from yesterday's Philadelphia Inquirer is a wonderful example of elitist fear of blogs.   Despite the Olympian tone, the review, by a Mr. Frank Wilson, is little more than a hatchet job on the notion that someone without the proper credentials should be allowed to have a role in our public discourse.  And you may even be acquainted with the author being reviewed, an old friend of both us and of Bill O'Reilly, Hugh Hewitt.

Hewitt's thesis is this: "When many blogs pick up a theme or begin to pursue a story, a blog swarm forms...which, when it breaks, will fundamentally alter the general public's understanding of a person, place, product, or phenomenon."

If Hewitt can be paid for such banalities, I need an agent.  But I digress...

Hewitt notes that while it was left-of-center bloggers Atrios (Philadelphian Duncan Black) and Joshua Micah Marshall who got the anti-Lott swarm buzzing, it was conservative bloggers - notably the chameleonic Andrew Sullivan, whose coloration at the time was deemed conservative, and Republican law professor Daniel Drezner - who brought it to critical mass...

Actually, no, it was primarily the guys over at NRO who started calling for Trent Lott to step down because the right wing didn't want the increasingly damaged Lott--who'd been making racist comments for years--to remain leader because they thought he too often acquiesced to the Democrats.  But there's more:

Hewitt correctly laments that "the political left is seriously behind in the promotion and development of bloggers with insight and good humor." Typical of the lack is Markos Moulitsas, the fellow behind DailyKos. Kos, who described the American contractors brutally murdered in Baghdad last spring as "mercenaries," gets plenty of visitors - 1.6 million a month - and has plenty of credentials, but his commentary tends to range from the merely strident to the downright appalling, qualities that have been more characteristic of talk radio than of blogging...

Naturally, a blog can only be as good as whoever does the blogging. The people behind some of the better-known blogs tend to be talented and accomplished. Glenn Reynolds, whose InstaPundit probably garners the most visits of any, is a law professor at the University of Tennessee. The guys behind Powerline, voted blog of the year by Time magazine, are all lawyers. These are people who know how to weigh evidence, marshal arguments and write.[Emphasis is mine.]

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Let's break this down, beginning with the first words from Hugh Hewitt's biography:

Hugh Hewitt is the host of a nationally syndicated radio show...

By Mr. Wilson's oh-so-elitist standards, Hugh Hewitt should be considered another of us among the great unwashed masses, since he hosts a rightwing radio talk show and chums around with that jackass Bill O'Reilly.  But for Wilson he's not just another pleb with a computer and an ISP...and I'll get to why in a moment.

Next, there's nothing scandalous about Markos referring to the "contractors" as "mercenaries."  They weren't driving a glazier's truck, and they sure weren't in Fallujah to lay Italian marble in somebody's sunroom, which is the connotation the right hopes to elicit when they use the term "contractor."  No, they were paramilitaries paid to perform paramilitary duties.  George Orwell would scoff at Frank Wilson.

Then there's Wilson's assessment of blog commentary as "strident" or "downright appalling."  What's his standard of measurement for "appalling?"  If it's accuracy or informed analysis, then find me one damned member of the 101st Keyboarders whose war drum-pounding analysis of the Iraq war and the subsequent occupation matches up to the quality of what's been written at Daily Kos.  I initially started reading Daily Kos because of the analysis provided by Markos, Steve Gilliard and RonK.  I won't say their predictions of the Iraq morass were particularly prescient--those with even rudimentary knowledge of the situation could see what was likely to happen.  But all three were brilliant at distilling down to the essentials what was wrong with Bush's plans for Iraq, from the logistics to the numbers of troops to the strategy based on passionate embrace of American troops to the reliance of Chalabi to the misplay of the sectarian rivalries to the failure to assemble a larger coalition to the complete lack of preparation for a challenging occupation to the utter disregard for truth in presenting a rationale based upon an immanent nuclear threat.  I would contend that the best commentary on the leading liberal and left bloggers--the folks here at Daily Kos, Steve Gilliard, Billmon, Atrios, Josh Marshall, the gang at Tapped, obviously Juan Cole, and many others--could in the future be collected and published by the Library of America, just as they've published some of the best contemporary reportage and commentary on the Vietnam War.  Most of what's written at flagship blogs of the right like Little Green Footballs and Command Post is more likely to warrant mention in the Southern Poverty Law Center's intelligence reports monitoring hate and extremist activity.

Why did the liberal bloggers get so much right about the Iraq war?  Because, as well or better than many in the credentialed press, they "know how to weigh evidence, marshal arguments and write."  Those skills, and an ethos that values honesty, integrity and scrupulousness, are keys to getting things right and earning respect.  Those bloggers I mentioned have earned my respect.  Mr. Wilson doesn't seem to like them.  But is Mr. Wilson's opinion worthy of our respect?  Let's weigh the evidence.

A few minutes on Google yielded a fascinating collection of book reviews by Mr. Wilson that hardly present the portrait of a man who knows how to weigh evidence.  In some cases, his interests just seem plain loopy, like his decision to review and recommend a book by a risk analyst who calculated the probability of God's existence at around 70%.  There is his glowing review of libertarian tomes by the likes of modern-day Social Darwinist Charles Murray.  There's his attack on Dan Brown's "The Da Vinci Code" which is posted on the website of Opus Dei, the doctrinal revanchists closely linked to Franco's Fascists and whose American members include FBI agent/Russian spy Robert Hanssen and supposedly Justice Antonin Scalia:

If the book is to be believed, the Holy Grail is now hidden beneath a prominent landmark in a major European capital. The tourist bureau in New York of the country in question says it has yet to receive a single inquiry about that.

"If this book is too be believed?"  What the hell does that mean?  It's a work of fiction! By such reasoning we should blow off The Great Gatsby, because you'll never find West Egg on a map of Long Island.  

More relevant to the subject of political blogging are Wilson's political statements and judgment, which show that his skills and ethos aren't up to the standards of Daily Kos or any of the other leading liberal/progressive blogs.   For instance, there's his attack on Kerry's Catholic piety within a review of a book on Catholic voting behavior:

In July, in an article in the Washington Post, Kerry was quoted as saying, "I oppose abortion... . I believe life does begin at conception." But, he added, "I can't take my Catholic belief, my article of faith, and legislate it on a Protestant or a Jew or an atheist."

That's morally and intellectually incoherent. "Every time you cast a vote on the floor of the United States Senate," Marlin says, "you're voting to impose your beliefs on somebody else. If you vote for higher taxes, you're voting to impose them."

He has a point. The Catholic view that life begins at conception is not put forward as a mere gynecological factoid. The church draws a moral conclusion from it: If human life
begins at conception, then abortion - the direct and intentional termination of a fetus' life signs - amounts to the taking of innocent human life. It is hard to see how one could accept this as an article of religious faith, as Kerry says he does, and feel no obligation to act on it - in fact, to feel obliged not to.

If that's the case, than every Catholic deciding on judicial appointments better be checking up to make sure that they only support jurists who would overturn Griswold v Connecticut, because the Roman Catholic Church also forbids contraception.  But Catholics deciding on who to chose for President might also get hung up on Bush's war in Iraq, which cannot be reconciled with the Catholic Just War doctrine and was expressly opposed by the Pope.  I wonder if Mr. Wilson feels that Catholics such as Alberto Gonzalez feels any obligation to act on that belief?  

Another glaring example of Wilson's inability or refusal to adequately and critically weigh "evidence" and judge arguments is his review of "Unfit for Command: Swift Boat Veterans Speak Out Against John Kerry."  Read that review, and you'll notice that Wilson fails to adequately "weigh evidence," such as questioning the consistency of the stories presented by the switfies, look into the backgrounds of switfies such as O'Neil in order to assess their credibility, or to see if there are any inconsistencies, such as the fact that some of the swifties who claimed that their flotilla vessel didn't take fire in the action for which Kerry was awarded the silver star were themselves awarded medals for their acts in that very same firefight.  Why should anyone accept the statement that bloggers don't know how to weigh evidence when it comes from somebody whose own record at weighing evidence and marshalling arguments is as incompetent or dishonest as Frank Wilson's?  

But lets come back to something I mentioned before, the distinctions he makes that put Hugh Hewitt into the category of reliable sources, separate from the other category of  bloggers who don't know "how to weigh evidence, marshal arguments and write."  If it's the quality of analysis, I think we've already dispensed with the notion that Instahack, Hugh Hewitt and their ilk know what they're talking about, even if they may be law professors.  No, that's apparently not what make him think the commentary of the left's blogs ranges from "the merely strident to the downright appalling."  What's gotten into his craw is that he believes we're not credentialed like those law professors.  That's it, nothing more.  It's that we're not, in his mind, worthy of inclusion among the elite, or, even if, like Markos, we have "plenty of credentials," we've debased our elite status among the highly credentialed.

Reading Wilson extolling Hewitt is like reading stodgy old aristocrats from the 1930's attacking FDR and radio and the labor movement and anything new that eroded their privilege.  He comes across as something like a parody of an upper crusty type from an E.M. Forester novel, or maybe a tweed-clad professor at Huxley College appalled by the ghastly behavior of Professor Wagstaff.  Whatever his problem, screw him.  He's a rightwing shill, and condescending judgments of our ability to weigh evidence and marshal arguments from such a mediocrity look like little more than elitist fear that their credentialed status is threatened.  

Wilson cites Hewitt's argument that blogs are akin to the Guttenberg press, but that seems to scare them both, as it should anyone who extols the virtues of credentials and decries the democratic and egalitarian aspects of blogs.  As on so many matters, the more apt comparison was made by Bill Moyers:

I think the Internet, the blogging, is the closest we've come in a long time to the history of the American media in the beginning. You know in the 1820's, 1830's all you needed to be a journalist was to buy a press. That's why they called them inkstained wretches. Because they operated their own hand presses. For a little bit of money, like Tom Paine and others, you could have your own press. ... After the revolution independent journalists, printers they called themselves, sprung up all over the country ... they were partisan by the way, vociferously. They attacked the others' politics. but it was a healthy period of bombast in America in which people could sort out the information. I think the bloggers, then the websites, come closest to the spirit of cacophony, to that democratic expression, that we had in the early part of this country's history.

That's what's going on here.  The people attacking the blogs on the left do not want people to sort out the information.  They do not want people without credentials presenting facts and arguments that haven't been vetted and neutered.  And they don't want a sense of democracy.  They want compliance.  

I don't intend to be compliant.  Neither should you.

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  •  Blogs (4.00 / 4)

    are an excercise in free speech and open discussion. Period.

    Overthrow the Government ~Vote~

    by missliberties on Mon Jan 17, 2005 at 10:59:31 AM PDT

    •  Free Speech and Open Expression... (4.00 / 48)

      ...are obviously not highly valued by everyone.  So they must be demeaned, ridiculed and discredited by those who find free speech and open expression that reach a mass audience unmediated by the corporate media and political elites a threat to their priveleged status with the state and in society.  

      The revolution will not be televised, but we'll analyze it to death at The Next Hurrah.

      by DHinMI on Mon Jan 17, 2005 at 11:02:22 AM PDT

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      •  ...and unfiltered facts and information. (4.00 / 2)

        The corporate media and political elites are threatened by bloggers' distribution of facts and information, as well as by their unvetted analysis and opinion.
        •  And that's why they are now (none / 0)

          on the attack.

          That's also why they were threatened by Howard Dean.

          Take heart.  They wouldn't be attacking us now if we weren't a threat, or at least a major bother to them.

          The fact that they are taking the trouble to attack us, shows that we're on their radar and they know, that if they want to continue to get their way unopposed, they have to get us out of their way.

          Folks, it was bound to come.  These are the opening shots in a war that the right wing and the aristocrats who own this country want.  

          My brother even noticed it a couple of months ago when the dialogue on FOX started to demonize the "liberals on the internet."

          I have a feeling this is may start getting real nasty and real ugly very soon.

          •  It's a good sign (none / 0)

            They are afraid.  There are a lot of us with good connections and past performance who read and comment on these blogs.  Not everyone can be at Brookings or one of the few liberal think tanks like the International Economics Institute.  There is a lot of knowledge, experience and savvy on these blogs.  There's a lot of farfulue stuff too, which is to be expected in an open format.  But the bottom line is that these are the most democratic institutions we now have.  Open debate, and  open access to information and wisdom.

            They are afraid because they can't control this.  They can't scare people from reading blogs or commenting on them.

            The scare will come later, when they start tracking down people who comment, checking their tax status and traffic tickets.  It will come.  We are not far from the police state.  But in the mean time, work like hell to keep it from arriving.

      •  I guess (4.00 / 4)

        it is a threaening piece of news to some folks, that with a computer and a half a brain, you can express yourself and your ideas........and that they are not held to a standard of economic blackmail or political favors by the right or the main stream media.

        Blogs are like an interactive journal or an interactive discussion forum about whatever. That we can express our politically liberal views freely, or maybe even organize a protest (gasp) is very threatening to those that wish to influence with propaganda news like, the march to freedom in Iraq.

        It is a constant editorial on what is going on. And depending on the blog, there is a personal integrity from each individual that they try to report their opinions with a degree of fairness and accuracy. Although this does not have to be the case. I feel that dkos and other sites maintain a good standard of integrity. It makes it harder for mainstream news to report lies as news. If they do they will be flambed and roasted.

        Blogs are the best thing that has happened to democracy in a long time. (Except for that, you know, ZT maniac, how do you spell narcissism?)

        I find it challanging to keep up and to respond in ways that are "actionable" and intelligent. Especially when trying to keep up  with the likes of Armando;+), or many of the other diverse and interesting idea expressed here.

        I do get weary of the constant screaming about how on he is too mainstream or alarm bells the world is coming to an end, and f*ck Bush and hate anyone that supports a middle and a left big tent idea of democracy, which includes, to me, newly enlightened republicans. Hey guys come on over to the left! It is the right side to be on!

        Blog on!

        Overthrow the Government ~Vote~

        by missliberties on Mon Jan 17, 2005 at 11:26:06 AM PDT

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        •  Well, geez (none / 0)

          Sometimes I blog about my freakin' knitting. Perhaps the conservative knitting community should tell me I don't do it properly or with appropriate authority.

          And in the academic journalism community, blog is often still a dirty word. It's really ridiculous. I think the fact that it threatens people and might perhaps make them think, is an excellent thing.

          What she said. Blog on!

      •  Free speech to demean (none / 0)

        Certainly. They have that right.

        Amendment I

        Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

        The Time is Now For Change

        by southlib on Mon Jan 17, 2005 at 11:47:52 AM PDT

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      •  19th Century Liberals also didn't like Democracy (none / 1)

        Liberalism in the 19th Century was an effort to get Constitutional Monarchies and Parliaments that operated under a rule of law, but they feared the "mob." Power should only be wielded by aristocrats or those with property. The "Mob" would take their power and security - and maybe their property - from them.

        The reaction of the established media to the "mob of the blogs" is identical. They are losing control, and they're afraid.

        As they should be.

        "To the Barricades!! Break out the red flags!! Liberte - Equalite - Fraternite!! Set up the guillotines!!"

        Oh, yeah. Bloggers, take off your shoes. You are the new "Sans culottes." The people who are complaining are the old established media - except that they are also being used by the right-wing bloggers who don't want truth, honesty, and rational thought to mess up their carefuly controlled little world.

        They're afraid of the mob, and the blogs, particularly left-wing, represent the Jacobins. Especially the ones with access to guillotines, and as Josh Marshall proved with Trent Lott, we have it.

        Democrats stand for Liberty, Security, Support of Families and Opportunity Whiskey Tango Foxtrot - over

        by Rick B on Mon Jan 17, 2005 at 08:01:37 PM PDT

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    •  oh and "stridency" (none / 0)

      Frank Wilson - fuck you and the Philly Inquirer (whose target demo for this piece are the retarded misinformed SUV drivers in the suburbs)

      how that for (illiterate) strident comments

      I used to read that paper but the "hey Martha" stories were just too much - now they want to wrap political spin in their "hey Martha / tech pieces"

      I love Frank Wilson and Paris in the spring...

      "Sometimes it's like his record skips or like some coke-dusted and liquor-glazed synapse is unable to fire and he's just stuck" RudePundit

      by christhughes on Mon Jan 17, 2005 at 11:57:00 AM PDT

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    •  A healthy period of bombast, indeed (4.00 / 8)

      You know you must be doing something right - something true and worthy - when the wingnuts and pundits suddenly deem you worthy of attack.  They don't waste their guided weapons of spin, smear, and vitriol on those who are not a threat to their freedom-eating machine.

      "Why should we hear about body bags, and deaths . . . I mean, it's not relevant. So why should I waste my beautiful mind on something like that?" - B. Bush

      by The New Politeness on Mon Jan 17, 2005 at 12:09:28 PM PDT

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      •  there certainly is a reason (none / 1)

        You know you must be doing something right - something true and worthy - when the wingnuts and pundits suddenly deem you worthy of attack.

        They know this is where the best arguments against Bush's Social Security 'reform' will come from.

    •  define the blogs (none / 0)

      before we can define them ?

      What don't they understand about the first ammend ? and why are they so afraid of it ?

      •  same reason some preachers (4.00 / 3)

        are afraid of people reading the Bible.

        They might find out how much they twist things, how much they leave out, and how much they LIE.

        IOW, they might actually THINK for a change.

        God forbid somebody should think. They might figure out the TRUTH.

        Which, of course, is out there.

    •  let's rip this guy for (none / 1)

      daring to even use the word "evidence".  he says instapundit has the highest hits?  how easy is it to look it up asshole?

      traffic

      let's lay these guys out, minus teeth, before they can take another shot.  who do they think we are, fucking begala??

      god, I'm seeing red..

    •  Not far enough - More than JUST free speech (none / 0)

      Once you have free speech and open discussion, there is material that can be judged for utility, readability, and accuracy.

      The blogosphere has all levels of quality, but I know that I find some highly informative and most utter trash. Since my standards run to decent writing, logical and rational discussion, and reasonable conclusions that fit with the universe as I find it to exist, I have found a number of blogs that meet my needs.

      Blogs are a lot more than just free speech. The better ones are also editors who send me to the important news and give me some perspective regarding what is going on. If the Federalist Papers were being published today, then they would be in blogs. Their purpose was to set the Constitution and first ten amendments into perspective. The good blogs do the same job.

      Free speech need be nothing more than the religious idiot with a microphone screaming to the passing crowd that they are going to Hell. Blogs may include this, but are a great deal more.

      Unfortunately, as a long-time newspaper reader, I have found that the traditional media is dropping in almost all the categories I am looking for.

      Right now I daily read:
      Talking POints Memo
      The Washingon Monthly (Kevin Drum)
      Steve Clemons
      Seeing the Forest
      Talkleft the Politics
      The Emerging Democratic Majority
      Juan Cole
      Steve Gilliard

      And I skim
      DKos (too much good stuff to fully read)
      Media Matters
      Bush Watch
      Burnt Orange Report [Good blog, and hard for an Aggie to admit.]
      The Daily Howler

      And I read the Fort Worth Star-Telegram and the Dallas Morning News. Unless a good blog directs me to it, I no longer read the weekly news magazines. The daily blogs beat them all hollow. Especially DKos.

      Democrats stand for Liberty, Security, Support of Families and Opportunity Whiskey Tango Foxtrot - over

      by Rick B on Mon Jan 17, 2005 at 07:34:52 PM PDT

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  •  Hey!` (4.00 / 2)

    I'm a lawyer too.  And I have a blog.

    Does that give me and my 180 hits a day more credibility than Andrew Sullivan?

    Isn't Kos a lawyer?

    "Man is free at the moment he wishes to be." - Voltaire

    by DrFrankLives on Mon Jan 17, 2005 at 10:59:59 AM PDT

    •  Yeah, Markos Is a "Credentialed"... (none / 0)

      ...attorney, which makes him a sort of a betrayer of his privilege.  

      The revolution will not be televised, but we'll analyze it to death at The Next Hurrah.

      by DHinMI on Mon Jan 17, 2005 at 11:04:40 AM PDT

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      •  Credentials (none / 0)

        And he served in uniform, unlike a lot of the blowhards on the right.
      •  kos is privlaged? (4.00 / 3)

        Why do we even listen to him.  he could be working for the other side.  this whole site is a sham!  AAAAHHHHHHHH!!!!!

        /sarcasm

        seriously I can understand the fear behind a "blog swarm" but people are tired of feeling helpless in the face of obscene outrage.

        God save our country (from the stupidity of republicans pretending they actually know what they're doing).

        by DawnG on Mon Jan 17, 2005 at 11:44:45 AM PDT

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        •  blog swarm (none / 0)

          ha. tell me why the "blog swarm" is so much more dangerous to public discourse and knowledge than is the far more prevalent mindless pack journalism practiced by our "credentialed" "journalists?"

          Republicans can't run a country. All they can run is a smear campaign. ~ GMT

          Vice harms the doer ~ Socrates

          by kdub on Tue Jan 18, 2005 at 03:36:38 AM PDT

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          •  Exactly (none / 0)

            I saw that thing about "blog swarm"--or, as some would have it, blogswarm--and I just thought, "um, yeah, you got paid to write a book based upon that truism?  It's the same thing the press has done forever."  I felt like quoting the line of cops everywhere: "nothing to see here, keep it moving...nothing to see here..."

            The revolution will not be televised, but we'll analyze it to death at The Next Hurrah.

            by DHinMI on Tue Jan 18, 2005 at 06:13:26 AM PDT

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  •  something that shocks me (none / 1)

    apparently, the inquirer permitted hewitt to attack kos in name without bothering to contact kos for a rebuttal.

    this is preposterous. no newspaper i know of acts this way, at least no newspaper not owned by rupert murdoch. what gives here?

    •  it's a book review (none / 0)

      Reviews are typically authored by non-staffers, and are assumed to be opinion pieces, and thus the feeble rules of "objectivity" that the media pretends to observe don't apply.
    •  MSM's corruption (3.50 / 2)

      is why blogs are so helpful.  Journalistic standards no longer apply to MSM - only the standard of not pissing of the Family too much.  I am a 56 year old grandmother who doesn't do much of anything except inform myself.  I was shocked at how badly the MSM comported itself this election cycle; so shocked in fact, that I cancelled all MSM publications except Foreign Policy and Atlantic.  I am subscribing to the Economist instead of WSJ and Newsweek, and I no longer read my local paper since it endorsed Bush.  The blogs have taken the place of my daily paper, because with links I can read the original stuff and form my own opinion.  Right now it is hard to not form opinions based on feelings, it is an hourly struggle to maintain some distance so the aging brain of mine can work and sort things out - but it still can, unlike those of so many people who I love. And I know those folks feel they get the truth from right-wing blogs due to their laughable idea that the MSM is so left-wing.  The blogs are like the many newspapers were 100 years ago in this country, and I would be very upset if bloggers gave in to this pressure to conform to some specious standard when the MSM dropped the "standards" they tried to operate under in the past.
  •  I would add that this fellow (none / 1)

    seems to hold Glenn Reynolds in high esteem and that alone would make me question both his impartiality and his ability to differentiate between realistic criticism (as done by Markos) and partisan hackery. He seems to think partisan hackery is realistic criticism and/or weighing of the facts.

    The ...Bushies... don't make policies to deal with problems. ...It's all about how can we spin what's happening out there to do what we want to do. Krugman

    by mikepridmore on Mon Jan 17, 2005 at 11:00:55 AM PDT

    •  This just stinks to high heaven. (none / 0)

      He seems to think partisan hackery is realistic criticism and/or weighing of the facts.

      no kidding.
      He appears to be something of a partisan hack(aka spinmeister) himself. I'm sure he would object to calling what the  pundits call 'abuse', 'torture' too.

      The bad news is that 'Day to Day', NPR's equivalent of People magazine is running a hit piece on the 'Armstrong Williams is not alone. The Dean campaign hired 2 bloggers' story today. I've not heard it yet but I'm willing to bet 20 bucks that Mickey Kaus of Slate is going to be going on about it. I intend to write the ombudsman, 'Day to Day' and my local NPR affiliate objecting mightily to each factual error and the entire notion of equating this story with the Williams story as soon as I stop
      yelling at the radio.

      •  If you dare (none / 0)

        Ewww. It's an interview with Sullentrop.

        http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4455985

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        by darrelplant on Mon Jan 17, 2005 at 12:20:57 PM PDT

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      •  The link to Day to Day (none / 0)

        The audio for the "Day to Day" piece by Slate's Chris Suellentrop is available online now.

        It's a mixed bag of a piece.

        On the one hand, it muddies the waters by not commenting on the enormous difference between the Armstrong Williams situation (your tax dollars explicitly used to bribe a willing journalist to promote White House policy in "unbiased" "mainstream media") and the "Armstrong Zuniga" situation where a Presidential candidate's campaign hired a technical consulting firm with the unstated hopes that the consultants would say good things about them on their personal blogs. He does note that Armstrong shut down his blog for the duration of the contract and that Kos put up a "somewhat grumpy" disclaimer on his front page, but leaves you with the impression that Kos didn't go far enough and should have posted all his clients. (He did pronounce Kos' name correctly though. There's one bright spot.)

        The piece does bring up a real issue in its followup: that blogs are now being used by campaigns (and the corporate media) as the wedge to insert unsubstantiated hit pieces into "legitimate" channels and give them legs as stories.  The example cited was Thunes' campaign hiring bloggers to write hit pieces on Daschle, and the creation of a "story about the story" being used to smear Daschle by the corporate media printing and broadcasting the crap. (And Suellentrop does a crappy job in not distinguishing explicit "false story insertion" such as Thunes' from the hiring of consultants who are also bloggers in hopes they will say nice things about you.)

        But of course, in reality this problem is in no way limited to only blogs being used in this manner. The prime example is the unsubstantiated and/or widely discredited claims of the Swiftboat Liars being given 24/7 coverage (and thus legitimacy) by the corporate media and right-wing noise machine. So, Chris Suellentrop really ends up muddying the waters on this issue as well by not mentioning the non-blog parallels.

        In balance, it ends up being something of a "you can't trust blogs" piece.

    •  marshalling arguments (none / 0)

      the bit about weigh evidence, marshal facts and write is particularly inane when applied to instahack.  for anyone not familiar with professor reynolds, this is a representative sample of his work, up right now:
      HUGH HEWITT:

        There is a Kennedy dynasty in Massachusetts and vast Kennedy affection in the Democratic Party and among liberal media. But there is no Kennedy dynasty in America, just an interesting family that wished for a dynasty and could never figure out that Jack's politics might have pulled it off, but never Teddy's.

      Indeed.

                                  posted at 11:19 AM by Glenn Reynolds

      meh.

      uh - i mean what writing! what eloquently argued discourse!

      l'audace! l'audace! toujours l'audace!

      by zeke L on Mon Jan 17, 2005 at 12:23:31 PM PDT

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    •  Yeah, and he talks about the quality of writing. (none / 0)

      So Glenn knows how to write? Apparently all you have to do to know how to write these days is to say "Indeed" and "Heh" often enough. He may know how to write, but his web site doesn't give us any indication that he does.
    •  More than anything (none / 0)

      that leads me to question his judgement; I only had to read Glenn Reynolds twice to realize he wasn't worth the time.

      There are plenty of people who hold academic positions who aren't very smart.  There are also plenty of people who hold academic positions who aren't particularly innovative in their thinking.  Glenn Reynolds strikes me as a pretty good example of both of these categories.  

      Words can sometimes, in moments of grace, attain the quality of deeds. --Elie Wiesel

      by a gilas girl on Mon Jan 17, 2005 at 02:11:20 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  Yeah. I've read Glenn Reynolds (none / 0)

      And there is no significant disagreement with him. Unlike DKos. I've disagreed with Kos himself, and what I posted remained for all to read. [Sometimes I was even correct.]

      Right-wingers are going to feel uncomfortable here at DKos because they are in a minority and they do not often understand the rules of discourse between people who disagree. They mostly seem to think it is all about winning rather than learning. Do they consider learning to be losing??

      This guy is clearly one of those. They are 100% correct adn better never admit it, so they go to Glenn Reynolds instead of here at DKos. They can't deal with real discussion.

      Ever wonder why conservatives feel discriminated at universities? Too many people disagree with them. Then they can't accept the fact that they can't succeed because they really are intellectual light-weights.

      Democrats stand for Liberty, Security, Support of Families and Opportunity Whiskey Tango Foxtrot - over

      by Rick B on Mon Jan 17, 2005 at 08:16:06 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  one word, not two (4.00 / 6)

    a blog swarm forms...which, when it breaks, will fundamentally alter the general public's understanding of a person, place, product, or phenomenon."
  •  Heh (4.00 / 7)

    Anyone who credits Glenn Reynolds with doing anything more than creating href tags to other people's articles and annotating them with

    a) "Heh."
    b) "Indeed."
    c) "Read the whole thing."
    d) Combination of the above

    has zero credibility.  You didn't need to spend 750 words to torch the guy.

    •  It Was Fun (4.00 / 4)

      Kinda like beating the hell out of the pinata even after all the candy is on the ground.  

      The revolution will not be televised, but we'll analyze it to death at The Next Hurrah.

      by DHinMI on Mon Jan 17, 2005 at 11:07:12 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  Reynolds sometimes does his own analysis. (none / 0)

      And when he does it is easy to see that he should stick quoting others and pretending to really understand what they are talking about.

      The ...Bushies... don't make policies to deal with problems. ...It's all about how can we spin what's happening out there to do what we want to do. Krugman

      by mikepridmore on Mon Jan 17, 2005 at 11:23:03 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  strawmen (none / 0)

        Is the creation of strawman arguments fundamental to law?

        I'm just baffled by that, as I can't for the life of me figure out what type of class Professor Reynolds could be teaching other than how to create strawman arguments.

        (0.00,-3.13) "I may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall defend, to the death, your right to say it."

        by Steve4Clark on Mon Jan 17, 2005 at 11:57:14 AM PDT

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        •  That, and my favorite (3.66 / 3)

          The argument based upon one's own ignorance.  Favored by many conservative commentators, the rock upon which the career of Bill O'Reilly was built, it generally takes the form: "I have never heard of ___."

          Thus:

          "I have never heard that Markos disclosed his work for the Dean campaign.  Therefore, he didn't."

          •  That's right wing debate tactic #29 (3.50 / 2)

            I'm coming up with a list of these, which might someday appear on a blog near you.

            And for those keeping score at home, Hugh Hewitt used right-wing debate tactic #18 in his piece--namely, define your opponent by the most provocative thing he ever said.

            Hewitt did that in his piece by describing Kos as the person who described the American contractors brutally murdered in Baghdad last spring as "mercenaries".

            The Right will bring that quote up until the end of time, just as it will pummel Michael Moore forever for equating the Iraqi insurgents to the Minutemen--assuming he even made that statement in those words.

            Replete with "misstatements" and elisions and retracted and redacted and revoked assertions.--Carl Bernstein on HRC's record.

            by Dump Terry McAuliffe on Mon Jan 17, 2005 at 01:35:35 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

            •  I'd like to get a list of those debate tactics (none / 0)

              I see them all the time. The personal attacks instead of addressing the arguements, the aforementioned straw men attacks. I'm so sick of them, I wish you would also include a list of "how to defeat them".

              When you are under attack #216 use this technique... That would be very useful.

              •  This should be a dKos project (none / 0)

                For years, I've wondered if there is some academy the Right uses to teach these debate tactics. They're used everywhere from Bush and Cheney's stump speeches to op-ed columnists to TV talking heads to bottom feeders on boards like F****d Company. It's sophistry, pure and simple, and needs to be stood up to.

                Replete with "misstatements" and elisions and retracted and redacted and revoked assertions.--Carl Bernstein on HRC's record.

                by Dump Terry McAuliffe on Mon Jan 17, 2005 at 02:17:29 PM PDT

                [ Parent ]

                •  started with Gingrich, perhaps? (none / 0)

                  that's the first time I've seen an organized "plan" to defame Democrats and liberals, Newt Gingrich's famous list of adjectives for Republican candidates and elected officials to use when talking about their Democratic opponents.

                  The debate tactics list and strategies against them sounds like a job for the dkosopedia.

                  -8.25, -6.26 "I'm not superstitious. But, I AM a little stitious." - Michael Scott

                  by snookybeh on Mon Jan 17, 2005 at 02:30:35 PM PDT

                  [ Parent ]

            •  did he ever say that? (none / 0)

              Michael Moore, I mean. I've seen that quoted before, but never the source of the quote.

              If he did indeed say that, it's not entirely inaccurate. It's not necessarily an endorsement of their activities. Just as calling the plan executed by the 9/11 terrorists "clever" or "successful" doesn't mean one approves of the deed.

              -8.25, -6.26 "I'm not superstitious. But, I AM a little stitious." - Michael Scott

              by snookybeh on Mon Jan 17, 2005 at 02:25:33 PM PDT

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              •  I think the Right twisted Moore's words (none / 0)

                But that's par for the course. Look at how they sliced and diced John Kerry's 1971 Winter Soldiers testimony.

                Replete with "misstatements" and elisions and retracted and redacted and revoked assertions.--Carl Bernstein on HRC's record.

                by Dump Terry McAuliffe on Mon Jan 17, 2005 at 03:23:03 PM PDT

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            •  It's already been done (none / 1)

              here.

              :-)

              These are the most common logical fallacies used in debate.

              (0.00,-3.13) "I may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall defend, to the death, your right to say it."

              by Steve4Clark on Tue Jan 18, 2005 at 06:26:05 AM PDT

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  •  New Media Strategies (none / 1)

    A friend of mine works for them and I think their business model will become much more prevalent after this past election. What they do is go into chat rooms and sell products--mainly pharmaceuticals, video games, and movies--but with the financial reward being out there, it is quite possibel for them to move into this medium to affect public discourse and strategy. They get paid quite well but have not moved into politics yet because the money isn't there.

    The founder is a protege of good ol' ROger Ailes who he talks to once a week. They have also been named one of Washington DC's most innovative businesses.

  •  CBC Radio in Canada featured a section on blogs (none / 0)

    One commentator said there are no rules, unless it is a newspaper's blog where journalistic standards would apply.

    Talked about blogger embarassment of having their mom's read their blogs.

    Talked to several people who blogged bad stuff about their bosses or employers and were fired. Although they blogged anonymously they left enough clues to be found out. Without a court order an ISP doesn't have to reveal blogger ID. Cautioned that all blogs including their comments are archived on Google.

    Agreed that mainstream media fears blogs.

    The mention of Kos was fair, included the facts that there was full disclosure.

    This above all: to thine own self be true...-WS

    by Agathena on Mon Jan 17, 2005 at 11:11:40 AM PDT

    •  Language police (none / 0)

      I apologize for grammar mistakes,

      'embarassment at'

      moms'
      --
      in a hurry & gotta go

      This above all: to thine own self be true...-WS

      by Agathena on Mon Jan 17, 2005 at 11:13:30 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Kos should be ignoring this Bullshit (3.85 / 7)

        And get on with dealing with the war in Iraq etc. These people are wasting your time and the value in terms of publicity that each big mention of the site brings is being wasted by having metadiscourses about blogging on the front page. Doing this is falling into a trap. New readers will love the depth of analysis and comment that comes with a front page feature on one of the strong suits of the site. But arguments about blogging and self obsession on the part of the site is not so attractive to newcomers and I reckon half the people here in last few days are new. Set the agenda and ignore the mainstream trolls because that is what they are - trolls.
        •  Looks like we are getting there... (3.66 / 3)

          "First they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they fight
          you. Then you win."

          Sharing and Caring are for Commies! They should be illegal. Drop by and support the Human Agenda

          by k9disc on Mon Jan 17, 2005 at 11:31:08 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  My once and Future Sig. (none / 0)

            Though I've got a couple of other favorite candidates.

            "Never doubt that a small group of committed individuals can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has."-Margaret Meade

            And my personal motto, "A ship in port is safe but that's not what ships are for."-Rear Admiral Grace Murray Hopper

            Before you win, you have to fight. Come fight along with us at TexasKaos.

            by boadicea on Mon Jan 17, 2005 at 02:20:58 PM PDT

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        •  Blogs got a lot of attention the first week (none / 0)

          of the new year. This is the other side of the coin, or shall we say the other side of fame.

          You are right about the other pressing issues that are not getting enough attention.

          Here's my favourite comment on Kos:

          "Kos loves to talk about itself."

          Welcome newcomers!

          This above all: to thine own self be true...-WS

          by Agathena on Mon Jan 17, 2005 at 11:43:28 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

      •  correction to correction... (none / 0)

        since you were in a hurry: there should not have been an apostrophe in you usage of "moms." No possessive there.

        -8.25, -6.26 "I'm not superstitious. But, I AM a little stitious." - Michael Scott

        by snookybeh on Mon Jan 17, 2005 at 03:33:10 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

    •  bloggers police (none / 0)

      their own, we are not corporate whores bowing for a master. The only agenda we are interested in is our country and the accountability of our elected officials, journalistic ethics, the mainstream media has clearly failed in their basic concept of investigative reporting, hence blogs.

      They better get use to it, we are not going anywhere.

  •  Prof. Wagstaff, eh? (4.00 / 5)

    Did someone call me schnorrer? And two hardboiled eggs.

    Excellent essay. I would venture to guess that the number of degrees that can be flashed around here on request could heat up the Arctic, but (like a poster's UID) means nothing compared to the argument and evidence presented. Creds? Puhleeze. We are not journalists, nor do we pretend to be them on TV (like the folks on cable who think Lacy Peterson and Kobe Bryant are more important than Fallujah or Gonzales or the Ohio challenge).

    Iraq is a great example. We got it right, they're still getting it wrong. Same on torture. Cry me a river about credentials. Same on Ohio (accept georgia10, reject Wayne Madsen). Need I go on?

    "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

    by DemFromCT on Mon Jan 17, 2005 at 11:16:06 AM PDT

    •  A Point You Hint At... (4.00 / 17)

      ...with the reference about the number of degrees around here; there are plenty of people around here, including some of the front page posters, who have damn impressive credentials, but they don't base their credibility on their credentials, they establish it with their arguments.  

      Some of the people who write here, including a couple I've learned about through communications off the discussion thereads, have some incredible credentials, but they post without their name or credential to highlight their argument.  That's another analogy to the press and pampheteers of the revolutionary era that you could add to Moyers' comments.  

      The revolution will not be televised, but we'll analyze it to death at The Next Hurrah.

      by DHinMI on Mon Jan 17, 2005 at 11:20:37 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  see, the thing is (none / 1)

        they have no idea what our creds are, nor do they really care. Just another useless fact that gets in the way of their ranting.

        "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

        by DemFromCT on Mon Jan 17, 2005 at 11:34:52 AM PDT

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      •  see below (none / 0)

        according to JMS' 3/04 survey, 37% of dKos poll respondents had advanced degrees, another 7% were working on it. Who cares? It's all about the argument.

        Credentials... feh.

        "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

        by DemFromCT on Mon Jan 17, 2005 at 02:35:31 PM PDT

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    •  HONK! (none / 1)

      Better make that three hard-boiled eggs.
    •  The difference between DKOS and the TNR (4.00 / 2)

      Posters on Kos can actually write more than 400 words without mentioning the Ivy League school that they attended.  No writer at the TNR can do this - which is why they sound like pretentious windbags half the time.

      I am less convinced, though, about the idea that writers here are not journalists.....

      And yes, I did.

      •  some writers here are journalists (none / 1)

        and some writers for newspapers (and many anchorpeople for TV News) are not.

        "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

        by DemFromCT on Mon Jan 17, 2005 at 12:12:46 PM PDT

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    •  Credentials? (4.00 / 5)

      MSM and their unsourced, innacurate, opinion parading as fact, indi pundits bought and paid for, networks turned propoganda organs for the government. Credentials have lost their... credence...

      And it's true, the internet is now the the best way to get the news by a light year. But giving dailykos credit for getting it right on Ohio? I wouldn't call grudgingly granting a pyrrhic victory to people officially called 'fraudsters' the day before, getting it right. Even Groucho wouldn't try to pull that one.

      I saw an elephant in my pajamas and I do know how he got there. Voter fraud.

      Who controls the past, controls the future. Who controls the present, controls the past. George Orwell

      by moon in the house of moe on Mon Jan 17, 2005 at 12:16:13 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  It would be an interesting thought (none / 0)

      experiment however, to list the degrees and the degree granting institutions that are represented here at dKos on any given day.

      Just a random sample, not a targeted one.

      Words can sometimes, in moments of grace, attain the quality of deeds. --Elie Wiesel

      by a gilas girl on Mon Jan 17, 2005 at 01:54:17 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  yep, any given day (none / 0)

        where a few of the lawyers, doctors, chemists, physicists, academics and teachers happen to be hanging out. Not to mention pollsters, political types, journalists (real ones), etc.

        I wonder whether JMS or pHunbalanced ever did a demographic poll on either advanced degrees or professions?

        "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

        by DemFromCT on Mon Jan 17, 2005 at 02:08:33 PM PDT

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      •  you can count on JMS (none / 0)

        link

        What's level of education best describes you?
        · not high school grad (currently attending)     2%
        · not high school grad (not attending)     0%
        · associate or technical degree     3%
        · some 4/yr college (currently attending)     7%
        · some 4/yr college (not attending)     6%
        · Bachelor degree     32%
        · some grad degree--masters and/or PhD (currently attending or not attending)     7%
        · some prof. degree--(currently attending or not attending)     0%
        · Master's degree (not MBA)     15%
        · PhD     10%
        · Prof. degree (JD, MD, MBA)     8%
        · combo post grad degrees (e.g. MD/PhD, JD/MBA, MA/MS)     4%

        Votes: 277

        The last 4 categories represented 37% of the poll-takers at the time (3/11/04)

        "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

        by DemFromCT on Mon Jan 17, 2005 at 02:28:49 PM PDT

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  •  CUT HIS MICROPHONE. (none / 0)

    NOW.

    "When we are all guilty that will be democracy." -Albert Camus.

    by BrianL on Mon Jan 17, 2005 at 11:20:52 AM PDT

  •  What's the problem? (4.00 / 2)

    So the author doesn't think Kos is a member of the elite. That's a plus, isn't it?

    I'm not particularly impressed with Kos' credentials, analysis, or prose (keep reading, there's a compliment in here somewhere). But that's not why I frequent this site. I'm here because Kos expresses himself in a way that connects with me viscerally. He raises issues I care about. He presents info I often don't find elsewhere. And he is not elitist. He has a sense of human outrage when it's warranted. Most of all, I'm here because the community is lively, educational and inspiring. Kos is responsible for that and that is impressive.

    There are certainly better writers with more credentials who get invited to all the right elitist parties, but who cares? Kos keeps it real. And that's worht more to me.

    •  Don't Worry About That (none / 0)

      So the author doesn't think Kos is a member of the elite.

      He'll get back around to calling us elite. That's one of the right's favorite accusations.

    •  If it was just Kos (none / 0)

      or any other single contributor I wouldn't be checking this site every day from another country.

      It's the amount of information that you all turn up and collect here.

      •  yep agree (none / 0)

        I go to the raw diaries anyway (and admit I have not contributed any)

        all of the diarists and commentators have something to add. Kos and the other stars arent the only bright shining lights here. Thats what makes the site so appealing actually...

        "Sometimes it's like his record skips or like some coke-dusted and liquor-glazed synapse is unable to fire and he's just stuck" RudePundit

        by christhughes on Mon Jan 17, 2005 at 02:15:28 PM PDT

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      •  You've got it! The information here is incredible! (none / 0)

        Information is data that you recieve in a form and at a time that causes you to change a decision to act.

        I get more of that from DKos than any other place. Sometimes it is merely the presentation of an issue I did not know mattered to me. More often it is new information or a new context for the information that makes me understand more clearly what is going on.

        I get all of this here. If there is a right-wing site that does the same, I'll read it, but I sure haven't found it yet. They are all cheerleaders for the administration or attack-dogs aimed at those who disagree with them.

        I wonder if that is why Bush and the current Texas Governor were both Cheerleaders, as was one of the current Texas Senators (Hutchinson.) Strange credentials, if you ask me.

        I really prefer good information and a guide to good analysis.

        Democrats stand for Liberty, Security, Support of Families and Opportunity Whiskey Tango Foxtrot - over

        by Rick B on Mon Jan 17, 2005 at 08:44:10 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  A fine smack down, DHinMI (none / 1)

    I do like "blog swarm" though. It reminds me of the flying monkeys in the Wizard of OZ.
    •  LOL! (4.00 / 4)

      Which at the same time makes me wonders who's ass we're flying out of.

      I'm tired and need to go home.

      God save our country (from the stupidity of republicans pretending they actually know what they're doing).

      by DawnG on Mon Jan 17, 2005 at 11:46:21 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  One of the biggest differences I've noticed (4.00 / 5)

    One of the biggest differences I've noticed between the "mainstream" left and right blogs is that the left's blogs allow reader comments.  It frustrates me no end when I read a right wing blogger (like say Glenn Reynolds) and I really want to make a comment and I can't.  On this site I can, and it makes all the difference in the world.
  •  Hewitt so doesn't get it (none / 0)

    He thinks you have to have "credentials" to be a credible blogger, or even more, "accomplishments" -- so that people like Hugh Hewitt, Time magazine, and some schmuck named Frank Wilson who happens to draw a Philadelphia newspaper paycheck, will take you seriously.  Why the hell would anyone care about their approval?  What they want is to erect massive barriers to entry for anyone who wants to be taken seriously, so that they can control the flow of information?  Hah!

    The dinosaurs are wrong.  Moyers, as you point out, is right, as he so often has been.  Hewitt and friends don't want to admit it, and they do seem to be running scared.  Don't look out the triple-paned windows in your McMansion, Hughey boy, because the masses are at the gate.

    So this is how liberty dies -- with thunderous applause.

    by MJB on Mon Jan 17, 2005 at 11:29:49 AM PDT

    •  I Agree, Except on the Matter of Masses... (none / 0)

      ...at the gate.  I could care less about Hugh Hewitt, about whom I knew nothing until a few days ago.  As far as I'm concerned, he can rest in peace in his mansion.  But his bigger concern is that people like bloggers pose a threat to the control and passive acceptance of news that allows him to suck at the teat of corporate media and get the money to pay for that mansion.  

      The revolution will not be televised, but we'll analyze it to death at The Next Hurrah.

      by DHinMI on Mon Jan 17, 2005 at 11:33:38 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  It's just a metaphor (none / 0)

        I don't give a bleep about Hugh's McMansion or whether he even has one.  It's just a metaphor.  (And not a very good one, admittedly, because any real McMansion in O.C. would be well inside a gated community with armed guards, not merely a big house with a gate outside the front yard.)

        The McMansion is, as you say, a metaphor for the well-heeled elitism of the corporate media, which provides Hewitt with such a bounty of cash that he apparently no longer needs to practice law -- though he continues to put his name on the law firm, so as to attract O.C.'s right-wing business elite to the firm.

        So this is how liberty dies -- with thunderous applause.

        by MJB on Mon Jan 17, 2005 at 11:46:17 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

      •  This diary kicks ass (none / 0)

        Excellent, excellent stuff.  

        It was interesting to read the sweeping generalizations you quoted/summarized above the jump.  While I don't write much, I read blogs all the time.  I don't watch TV news anymore -- it's superficial and slanted as hell, and about a third of the time is given over to the pharmaceuticals who pay some beautiful fortyish/fiftyish sweetheart to encourage me to talk to my doctor about how I can have "quality erections" and eliminate sinus headaches and toenail fungus.  But I read blogs all the time, all liberal ones, so as a daily reader of blogs, I know more about what one finds in the bloggers' posts than these characters you're discussing in the diary, whose take on the blogs is simply full of shit.  The characterization of Kos is simply not what I see.  My take on Kos from his posts is that he's a centrist, a little left of center maybe, more so on some issues, but not much.  If Kos is not mostly a mainstream Dem (and I mean that in the best sense of the phrase) in both his positions and his tone, then I'm a Democrat in name only. He is seldom "strident" (as Hewitt says) and never "appalling" (as Hewitt also alleges).  I doubt very much that Hewitt has ever been truly appalled, or even close to it, by anything Kos has ever written, which means that, unless Hewitt is just dissembling, his statement begs the question of just who it is that Hewitt thinks is appalled.  

        The mainstream press talking heads and writing heads should be applying some of their critique to themselves.  Almost all of them play it safe all the time and save most of their "in-depth" critical analyses for easy targets like credit card companies, business executives caught up in scandal, tobacco companies and bloggers. Very little is ever said about the system itself and I'm convinced that years from now, historians of the media will easily reach consensus that the press (ownership/editorship) during this period was not just docile but complicit.  Who do they think they're kidding?

      •  Democracy is dangerous - also scary (none / 0)

        Look at the Constitution. It was designed to prevent the "Masses" from getting control. It was set up to give control of government and society to property owners.

        As far as Journalists and PR people are concerned, we bloggers are the masses. They don't know the new rules, and they are afraid of us. We aren't "property owners" in the se