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I found this AP article through Billmon.

Discontent is growing among Democrats in Congress over their increasingly disgruntled supporters. In recent weeks, several Senators have met to explore the possibility of breaking with the Party in the next election in order to teach a lesson to their more vociferous voters. Although it remains unlikely for now that many members of Congress will forsake the Democratic Party more than temporarily, even a small split could ruin Democrats' chances of retaking either chamber in 2006.

Knowledgeable sources described a Democratic strategy session in the Senate last Friday evening at which speaker after speaker voiced impatience with what they regard as cowardly and unreasonable activists on the left wing of the Party. Congressional leaders are especially angry at the all too often inconsistent and unprincipled public stances taken by party faithful. Even their defenders at the meeting admitted that the voters are out of touch with Congress.

More on the flip.

As the meeting broke up, down the hall an ex tempore discussion coalesced around half a dozen moderate Senators who are particularly incensed at the rough treatment they've received from bloggers. Several plans were proposed at the breakaway meeting, which lasted until nearly midnight.

These included starting a new party or casting their lot in 2006 with a third party such as the Greens. There was also considerable support for the idea of refusing to participate in the next election at all so as to send the clearest possible message to the Democratic base that they could not regain the majority in Congress without them.

Further meetings among the same participants on Tuesday and Thursday failed to reach consensus about any of these plans, however, all of which are seen as risky tactics by Democratic Party leaders. One Party veteran voiced the concern that provoking significant losses in 2006 could backfire if it caused the Democratic Party to move further to the left.

Yet it could also be an embarrassment if a Democratic revolt did not produce noticeable losses. "There's no assurance that voters will even notice if we turn our backs on the Party," said one Representative who joined the discussions. "Staying home on election day will achieve nothing, but the more I look into the Green Party the more I fear their own voters who are not very flexible about special interest issues like the environment."

Still, there's palpable anger in Washington at the behavior of party rank and file. One Chief of Staff for a midwestern Senator said, "It's getting hard to ignore such aggressive Democratic voters."

A Senator from New England agreed. "Democratic voters don't have any idea how much work is involved in hammering out compromises with the Republicans, who have earned their reputation for being completely unreasonable. We can't get anywhere if we are always dropping everything to listen to complaints from our own side."

As news of a possible revolt spread this week among the Democratic core, it was greeted with incredulity. Several blogs tried to downplay the rumors even as they gained strength on Capitol Hill. Voters we interviewed expressed a mixture of annoyance and exasperation.

On Thursday morning sitting in a shabby cafe on Rhode Island Avenue, a man who would identify himself only as Bob Johnson said, "This is crazy, I don't think the Democrats have anywhere to go if they don't like the way the Party is headed. What are they going to do, run as Republicans?"

Across the street at a diner Eve, a tourist from New York, agreed. "I don't think they have the guts to do it. Every few years the Democrats start talking big, but in the end they just wimp out."

I haven't found any discussion of this article on dKos. It seems like a critical concern heading into the 2006 election, which is why I've quoted the entire report. Is this Party revolt headed anywhere, or will it fizzle once again?

Originally posted to smintheus on Sun Oct 02, 2005 at 07:33 AM PDT.

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  •  LOL (4.00)
    Even their defenders at the meeting admitted that the voters are out of touch with Congress.

    Funny as hell.

    And sad; very, very sad.

    The world would be perfect it weren't for them damn liberals and their pesky democratic values.

    •  Don't laugh (4.00)
      ... these people need to see 95% disapproval poll number before they start to act seriously.

      60% disapproval rating only get you some grudging public retort and more corporate ass kissing.

      So I suppose we have to turn that 60% number to 95%.

      •  I honestly... (none)
        ...don't think it's POSSIBLE to get bush's approval rating less than 30% without the "live boy/dead girl" scenario.

        And that's not likely.  Hell I think he could have a complete nervous breakdown on national television and start sobbing and weeping about the cruelty of liberals and he'd probably GAIN a couple points.   This world is THAT ass-Backwards right now.

        The GOP Love the soldiers like they love children: Seen but not heard.

        by DawnG on Sun Oct 02, 2005 at 10:55:18 AM PDT

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        •  If Bush were lower, Dems would try to get HIS vote (none)
          ... and do whatever was necessary to lure it. It's in keeping with the evolving strategy of moving more and more away from the mob of common loud smelly votes to seduce the exquisite sliver of votes at the top.

          Scalia ... Thomas ... Roberts: who will that one election-winning vote be? Who knows, or dares to dream?

        •  Uh, wait a minute... (4.00)
          1. The article in question is NOT anywhere on Billmon's site.

          2. I can find NO LINKS for that article.  Where is it online?

          3. Note how this is yet another article with gobs and gobs of unnamed sources?  Sounds like something straight out of PulledOutMyAss.com.

          In other words, some asshole's playing "Let's you and him fight", trying to stir shit by flinging stink bombs.
      •  The Greens??? (none)
        WTF? These moderate Dems complain about getting hammered too hard by liberal blogs, then talk about partnering with the Greens?

        Talk about people who are incredibly sheltered.

        First, of course, Greens are much more progressive than such "moderates" are.

        Second, the Greens have principles.

        Conclusion: The Greens don't want them.

        Oh, and next time, post the link to Billmon's actual post, not to his blog, please.

        "There is no god, and I am his prophet." SocraticGadfly

        by steverino on Sun Oct 02, 2005 at 12:21:17 PM PDT

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    •  My God, I was going to quote those same lines: (4.00)
       "Even their defenders at the meeting admitted that the voters are out of touch with Congress."

      The irony being SO clear, of course, dear Congresscritters:  This is a DEMOCRACY.  YOU, our elected and PAID BY OUR TAXES officials, are supposed to be "in touch with us."

      If you don't think we understand you, have the guts to do what Senator Obama did and respond to us directly.

      In the meantime, what are you trying to do, poor put-upon centrist dems....destroy the very good chance YOUR PARTY has in gaing back a majority in 2006?  Maybe it won't be quite such "hard work" (have you been listening to GWB again?) "hammering out compromises" when your party is in the driver's seat?

      This article disgusts me.  I feel like these people have totally forgotten that they are supposed to represent us, not the other way around.

      "The responsibility of government for the public safety is absolute and requires no mandate." -Winston Churchill

      by hopesprings on Sun Oct 02, 2005 at 09:07:19 AM PDT

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    •  Maybe That's Why Congress (4.00)
      stopped voting for us.

      We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy....--ML King, "Beyond Vietnam"

      by Gooserock on Sun Oct 02, 2005 at 09:13:39 AM PDT

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    •  Satire. (none)
      and brilliant!!
    •  A world turned backwards (none)
      This can't be for real?  They want to turn their backs on the grassroots and activists?  Who is going to give them money, passionate moderates?

      Keep an open mind, but don't let your brains fall out.

      by Unstable Isotope on Sun Oct 02, 2005 at 09:52:13 AM PDT

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    •  Is that quote a joke? (none)
      Who the hell do they think is in charge here??

      They want to split because the VOTERS want something MORE from them??  becuase their job is getting to HARD???  Because Republicans won't play NICE?????? Well Boo f-ing hoo!

      I think it would be political suicide for anyone to even consider it but I can think of a few congressionals I wouldn't mind seeing left at the wayside.

      The GOP Love the soldiers like they love children: Seen but not heard.

      by DawnG on Sun Oct 02, 2005 at 10:48:28 AM PDT

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      •  disregard. (none)
        It was a joke.

        Damn, someone has to be more clear about these things.  

        When you've lived the last 5 years thinking NOTHING to could be more absurd than the latest Bush/republican atrocity, sense of satire just goes right out the window!

        I'm glad it's not true but nothing shocks me anymore. :(

        The GOP Love the soldiers like they love children: Seen but not heard.

        by DawnG on Sun Oct 02, 2005 at 10:52:25 AM PDT

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        •  It looks like something that could really happen (4.00)
          I was snookered until I read the comments.

          The fucking Dems should take notice of the number of people who thought this was real.

          America: It's a good IDEA for a country ...

          by Tony Seybert on Sun Oct 02, 2005 at 11:16:02 AM PDT

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          •  Yes, it horrified me at first. (none)
            I almost started crying! :( Just when you thought things couldn't possibly go further down the toilet...and I actually started to go conspiracy and think, the Republicans paid them to do this! :)

            <<note to grayscale: stop being non-compliant with your Prozac>>

        •  again, i say whaaa??? (none)
          why ya gotta do that? that's just wrong...

          but it is a sad state when so many of us find it mildly plausible...

    •  It's voters that are out of touch with congress?? (none)
      No - it is Congress that is out of touch with Voters.

      It is "We the People" -- it is not "We the Congress"

      These assholes works or us -
      we are the ones paying for them - their paychecks
      We are the one that can fire them -
      And if they do not wake up and smell the outrage - we will fire their sorry little asses

      Proud to be a Bleeding Heart Liberal

      by sara seattle on Sun Oct 02, 2005 at 11:26:17 AM PDT

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    •  whaaaaa? (none)
      that's what i was going to comment on... where the heck do they get off saying we're out of touch with them? is it not supposed to be the other way around???

      i posed an Obama diary yesterday about how it's leadership, leadership, leadership. it's not ONLY about votes.

      i actually do get annoyed with rabid whatever-ists, but it's their right, just as it is the right of red ppl to parade with signs of dead fetuses.

      teach US a lesson? totally backfire. i'm for NEW vision, not cry-babies running from their consituents.

    •  This line (none)
      I was totally fooled until this line.  My first reaction was WTF?  And then:  ohhhh...satire.  Funny.
    •  WHAT THE HELL? (none)
      Excuse me, but WHO hired you, Mr. and Mrs. Senator? Who fucking voted for you to hold that lofty office in the first place?

      HOW DARE YOU.

      WE are America. WE are the ones who pay for your gourmet dinners, your $1000 shoes, your limo service, your Armani suites....

      If you don't like what we want, perhaps you should find another job. I hear WalMart is hiring...

      I don't like Bizarro World... I want to go home to America.

      by willers on Sun Oct 02, 2005 at 12:23:08 PM PDT

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    •  Who's in charge here? (none)
      "The voters are out of touch with Congress?"  The bassackwardness of this comment would be funny, if it didn't illuminate the arrogance of whoever said it.  

      Funny me, I always thought Congress was supposed to be in touch with the voters, not the other way around.  

    •  Wait did I read that correctly? (none)
      As voters, we are OUT OF TOUCH with the politicians?  Who do these people think they are?  This is almost as arrogant as anything the GOP has done over the last few years.  We are being blamed for not seeing strong leadership coming from the party?  Wow, the dems have really taken it too far if they now see themselves as victims.  I guess I should be more sympathetic for their million dollar homes and 6 figure salaries.  And to think I voted for Kerry in 04 to give him as much support as possible.  Jerks.  

      I take political action every day. I teach.

      by jbfunk on Sun Oct 02, 2005 at 02:35:22 PM PDT

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    •  What could be the matter with those damn voters?! (none)
      Why don't they see that Congress leads, they follow!  The next thing you know, they'll think they live in a democracy or something.
    •  Love it, love it, love it!!! (none)

      http://www.epluribusmedia.org/donate.htm

      by nyceve on Sun Oct 02, 2005 at 04:57:10 PM PDT

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  •  You are wicked.... (4.00)
    it took me three puruses through Billmon, two re-reads, and a Bob Johnson to know for sure that this was too crazy to be real.

    "For the Mardi Gras
    Neo-con domestic shock and awe.."--Rep. Major Owens

    by Cathy on Sun Oct 02, 2005 at 07:38:12 AM PDT

  •  ROFLMAO (none)
    Marvelous.

    Unfortunately your link is bogus.  Do you have a direct link to the AP article?  Or was this on double deep background?

    The revolution starts now--in your own back yard, in your own home town

    by TarheelDem on Sun Oct 02, 2005 at 07:38:30 AM PDT

  •  ok, you had me for two paragraphs (none)
    •  From the Desk of Karl Rove (none)
      The only way I thought it could be real was as a right-wing plant.

      C'mon... voters out of touch with Congress?  Moderate Dems aligning with Greens?

      I was angry anyone could accept the propaganda, doh!

      Well done!

  •  sounds like parody to me (none)
    n/t
  •  Well done! (none)
    Good quote from the peripatetic Bob Johnson.

    Let the great world spin for ever down the ringing grooves of change. - Tennyson

    by bumblebums on Sun Oct 02, 2005 at 07:40:52 AM PDT

  •  Are you sure (none)
    that wasn't from The Onion?
    Very funny stuff.
  •  can you post the AP link? (none)
    i made a quick scan of the linked Billmon page but didn't note the reference you've cited.

    tia!

  •  You rehooked me with this line (4.00)
    "One Party veteran voiced the concern that provoking significant losses in 2006 could backfire if it caused the Democratic Party to move further to the left."
  •  Groan. (none)
    How gullible am I? I actually had to read the comments before I got that it was satire. [blush]
    Very good, very good. :D

    "Fifty percent of people won't vote, and fifty percent don't read newspapers. I hope it's the same fifty percent." - Gore Vidal

    by spasticbean on Sun Oct 02, 2005 at 07:47:01 AM PDT

  •  Ashamed to admit... (4.00)
    ...you had me goin' 'til you had the moderates considering throwing in their lot with the Greens.

    Good stuff. Keep it up.

    There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics. --Benjamin Disraeli, cited by Mark Twain

    by sheba on Sun Oct 02, 2005 at 07:47:33 AM PDT

  •  I've reached the same conclusion (none)
    I no longer believe it's possible for all the people who claim to be Dems to exist under the same roof.

    I have also already given up hope of the Dems achieving any significant ground against the Rethugs because of the contentiousness of the Democratic base.

    I'm not entirely sure people realize how much our own contentiousness and lack of unity screws us. But it does.

    However, I've come to accept that we're fucked. We might as well just crown Bush now because we won't be getting Bush and his clones out of office for a good generation.

    Buh bye middle class and fuck you everyoe but the rich. But hey! The Dem base demands the right to fight each other tooth and nail, and tell everyone else to fuck off because it teh f33lz so gd LOL!!11!!

    •  Grow up, dude. (none)
      "The Dem base demands the right to fight each other tooth and nail, and tell everyone else to fuck off because it teh f33lz so gd LOL!!11!!"

      We actually believe in debate. I'm sorry you see that as "fighting each other". The only ones we demand a fight with is the Republicans. And our leaders seem to refuse to do what's necessary to take the fight to them.

      •  Democracy (none)
        Someone said Democracy is messy.  You want a lockstep political party, join our opposition.

        Embrace diversity. Not everyone is intelligent.

        by FLDemJax on Sun Oct 02, 2005 at 09:44:17 AM PDT

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      •  Dudette (none)
        I'm a dudette, dude. And sorry, but I don't consider battles of "I'm mote leftist than you, appeaser centrist!!!" and "There's a conspiracy against me because I'm so much more idealogically pure and leftist than you!!!" to have one damned thing to do with debate.

        But hey --- maybe it's your thing.

        •  I am a very moderate dem (4.00)
          if one looks on where I stand issue by issue.  But when the republicans abort treaties, and badmouth allies, and take apart environmental regs that help everyone, and do giveaways to their rich cronies, then something needs to change.

          I really did like many of Clinton's policies and he was as middle (and something to the right) as you can get.  But America did well, notwithstanding the NAFTA mess, but that could be fixed sorta with the right leadership.  But that is not what we have.

          •  Yes (none)
            I'm pretty far left on social issues, but very conservative when it comes to education (I teach at a rural university, and I see the damage that's been done by asking too little of students) and economics (except spending on social safety nets, which I believe is actually excellent fiscal sense).

            And I see stuff on here I disagree with all the time.

            And basically --- big deal. My feelings are, we're all entitled to our beliefs and political stances. I also believe that allowing others their beliefs and plitical stances is good political policy.

            But I am SICK TO DEATH of the 'I am SOOO much more the leftist than you, you centrist pig!!!" and "I'm being banned at Kos because I'm a leftist!!" crap.

            Although I am also fairly well convinced our sucky educational system is responsible for much of what we see here.

            •  whatever! (none)
              No one on here says these things, and by your tone it's clear that you have a serious problem with progressives in general. That's fine and it's your right, but going to a progressive blog and bitching because people are progressive is a little odd if you ask me.

              Ideological battles are par for the course within any political party and they are crucial to forming the underlying message and platform of a party. What's more, this infighting is total par for the course when a party is out of power - it's a form of purging and introspection, to see what is going wrong and how to fix it.
              The "attitude" you seem to be referencing in your post is the manifestation of discontent with the centrist/moderates who have been running the party for the past decade, and have royally bungled the whole affair. These centrists are the ones supporting abhorent bills to appease their donors, backing down to Bush etc. The "liberals" in the house and senate? Look at Boxer et al, they are defending the party, attacking Bush where appropriate and, for the most part, rejecting bad legislation. The libs are the only ones standing up for the democrats right now, while the centrists sit around and wring their palms, desperately trying to figure out how to appease donors while still "appearing" to be tough on Bush.

              •  does the word "contradiction" ... (none)
                ... ring a bell? You might want to look it up in the dictionary, because for as much as you're accusing me, you're doing it yourself.

                :=D

                Then again, I never did find the "I'm soooo much more leftist than you!!!" to be particularly useful debate or to add much to the conversation --- sorry, but it's not even interesting. But obviously, you do.

                Well, whatEVer! Purge on, oh yee of such greater ideological purity and leftist credentials than everyone else!

                •  uhh (none)
                  your post makes no fucking sense whatsoever. If you'd like to clarify where I contradicted myself, I'd be glad to admit fault.

                  "Then again, I never did find the "I'm soooo much more leftist than you!!!" to be particularly useful debate or to add much to the conversation --- sorry, but it's not even interesting. But obviously, you do."

                  Are you on drugs? because this line doesn't even make sense. Where did I say this is a useful line of reason? And need I remind you, you started by accusing us nasty "leftists" of trumpeting our ideological purity, so clearly you DO find it interesting, at least enough to ramble on and on about it in several posts.

                  There's very few people here who demand purity. In fact most "leftists" here, myself included, are to the right on some issues. The simple truth is some people are firm in their convictions, whatever they might be, and they fight for them. They beg, squeal, fight, push, shove and bully to get their way at times, but at least they are fighting for what they believe in. Is the thrust of your complaint that you get railroaded or shot down at times? If so, that has nothing to do with us "leftists" and everything to do with you being assertive and standing up for what YOU believe in.

            •  C'mon cookiebear (none)
                You're just making up bullshit quotes to stuff in the mouth of your bullshit lefty kossack strawman.

              Bush - the New Hoover. He really sucks.

              by slick riddles on Sun Oct 02, 2005 at 12:51:17 PM PDT

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    •  I just realized (none)
        When you wrote this comment you thought the story was real ha hah ha.  That's rich.

      Bush - the New Hoover. He really sucks.

      by slick riddles on Sun Oct 02, 2005 at 12:57:36 PM PDT

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  •  Ha! (none)
    For a second I was thinking "This doesn't make any sense...Huh?" But "cowardly and unprincipled attacks from the left" was the giveaway. :}
  •  Woah (none)
    My comments, in AOLese:

    GOD U!!!! OMG LOL HAD M3 HOK LIEN AND SINKAR!1!11!11111!! IM COMPL3TELY EMBARASED1!11!!1! OMG WTF LOL BUT WUT R U GONG 2 DO ANYWAY?!!!??

  •  Sick of satire.... (4.00)
    If you're going to post satire, please give us a clue SOMEWHERE in the diary, as others who post satire do.

    I am trying to limit the time I spend reading on this site and others and while this story didn't ring true, there was no way to CONFIRM that it was fake, until I read the comments.  

    Citing the AP as a source was going to far.

  •  How tragic (4.00)
    that we have lost touch with the people who lead us.  If only we would submit to the aristocracy, our democracy would be saved.  Alas.

    George W. Bush: The Disaster President

    by DCDemocrat on Sun Oct 02, 2005 at 08:01:55 AM PDT

    •  ...we're trying.. (4.00)
      ..to get in touch with them, but they keep hiding from us.  Except Obama - while I disagreed with a lot of what he said, I really think wading into kos was a good thing for him to do.  It stirred the pot and out of the disharmony it initially created, we may see a new consensus eventually emerge on how to go after the Recriminals.  But keep pushing them with diary's like this, I say.
      •  I actually am so catholic in my tastes (none)
        that I can forgive many weakness across a wide spectrum of Democrats.  It's Republicans who always give me the greatest pause.  

        The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

        George W. Bush: The Disaster President

        by DCDemocrat on Sun Oct 02, 2005 at 08:14:05 AM PDT

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  •  LOL (none)
    You almost had me there.  When I got to "Bob Johnson," I thought to myself, "Our Bob Johnson?" That's when I started to "get it."
  •  This is such a joke (4.00)
    So called moderate demos splitting off and hitting up the Greens? Bwahahahahahha!

    Frankly, I think the so called moderates and so called centrists in the party really should split off and form their own "Silly Putty Party". The rest of the Democratic Party can get on with leading a whole lot better without those posers, imposters, pretenders and party hacks.

  •  This Is A Good Reality Check (4.00)
    It plays with your mind.  It's almost...Republican.
    •  I almost thought it was "Republican"! (none)
      I was half taken in by it; after the first paragraph or two, I suspected that it was a "real" article, but that the poster had taken an old news story about Republicans in past years, and done a little creative substitution (switching names, left/right references), in order to illustrate how "they" acted compared to how "we" (or rather many of our elected rep's) act now.

      By the time I got to the comments, I realized it was more fabricated than that, and that I should have known better...but it really did just FEEL so "Republican" to me that my mind jumped to the conclusion that it was "reverse-real"!

      It may be profitable for you to reflect, in future, that there never were greed and cunning in the world yet that did not do too much, and overreach themselves.

      by ChaosMouse on Sun Oct 02, 2005 at 12:39:26 PM PDT

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  •  Hehehe. (4.00)
    excellent.  

    We need to get a new electorate.  the current citizens are not on board.

  •  Gee, for a couple of paragraphs... (none)
    ...you had me quite convinced that the Democrats, burdened with the serendipitous maggotry of Republican corruption and malfeasance, had found

    yet another

    way to lose.

    But I guess we'll have to keep trying... things are just looking too good.

    Maybe if we ran Ted Kennedy and Hillary, in 2008?

    Invest in your future - VOTE DIEBOLD!

    JF

  •  News at Freeperville (4.00)
    Great Job!! I started getting chills a couple paragraphs in. Of course, we'll be seeing this posted to Free Republic, with no links to verify it's acuracy, and Rush will talk about it for his first hour tomorrow.
    •  I would so love that! (none)
      can you imagine Rush talking about this as though it were real, and Franken catching him?

      As long as I count the votes, what are you going to do about it? - William Marcy Tweed

      by sidnora on Sun Oct 02, 2005 at 08:28:58 AM PDT

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  •  Down with the DLC (4.00)
    I say give the DLC no quarter.. they are repub moles and must be forced back retreat back to their fascist masters.

    Jesus: "Destroy this Temple" - Gospel of John

    by The Gnostic on Sun Oct 02, 2005 at 08:11:23 AM PDT

  •  Good satire (none)
    I love it when it sounds just real enough to be true. In politics these days, you never know if it's satire or not.

    Stop using Jesus as an excuse for being a narrow-minded bigoted asshole.

    by joeesha on Sun Oct 02, 2005 at 08:11:49 AM PDT

  •  Excellent! (none)
    I was laughing my @$$ off!

    I think it is fine (and natural) for Democrats to be contentious.  Because of our beliefs and morals we will never be lock-step and that is good.  We should embrace our differences, realize that being lock-step is fascist, work toward civil discourse and cooperation BUT stop trying to be republican lite and stand up to the bullying.

    IMHO the main thing that keeps people from voting Democrat is that they see us as "wimpy".  Hell, I see us as wimpy when I see Dems refuse to defend themselves and apologize because a bullying rethug demands that they do.  I think our Democrat leaders would be incredibly and happily surprised at the response if they actually called out the liars when they lie, refuse to apologize for a comment that, while incediary, is the truth, and take pride in NOT being like the republicans.

  •  This is superb! (none)
    You've laid out the arguments perfectly. I sent it to my list, although I had to mark it as satire since some of the Dems are so upset with our elected representatives, they've lost their sense of humor.
  •  Hilarious!!!! (4.00)
    and I think we should send it to every Democratic Senator and Representative. Think they'll get it?

    As long as I count the votes, what are you going to do about it? - William Marcy Tweed

    by sidnora on Sun Oct 02, 2005 at 08:27:29 AM PDT

  •  What the fuck.... (none)
    Wait a minute, this is a satire.  Praise the lord!!!  If this was going to be real, you can be sure that I would be first in line with the lynch mob.  
  •  Whats sad. (none)
    Is that I have come to expect so little from our democratic leadership, that this didn't even sound suprising to me.  

    "The rank and file democrats are out of touch with congress"

    Sadly, I think some of them really feel that way.

  •  cry babies (none)
    Oh grow up.  

    We don't like the game so we are going to take the ball and go home.  You work for me and i'll jump, scream and yell all I want.  Who do you think you are?????  We are the future of the Democratic Party.  A movement of the people, for the people and by the people.  You're job as the well educated is to talk to your party as well as the other.  You don't get a free pass.  You must explain yourself until you are blue in the face.  You exist to serve the people, not the other way around.  Any more back talk or attempts to bolt will result in a community that will direct campaign dollars, yes that's right the crack you all love so much, to progressive candidates who can embrace reform, let people live their lives, cut gov't waste, help parents raise their children and truely keep us safe.

  •  Yeh...lets go after Democrats... (none)
    ...because they are the ones who, though they are not in power, are ruining this country with the totally corrupt ways of our unelected government in Washington. Sounds like a Republican plan to retain power to me.
  •  I don't believe any of this (none)
    This is nothing more than Repug agitprop. There isn't a chance in hell that a Democratic politician is going to sit out an election to "teach the left-wing a lesson," and they sure as hell aren't joining the Greens. Yeah, THERE'S a brilliant possible strategy for someone with enough native cunning to have gotten elected to the U.S. Congress: protest your seeming irrelevance to the extreme end of your party by joining a meaningless group of coffee-clackers and Tupperware activists. Give me a break......
  •  Thanks Bud (none)
    I wasn't feeling too good this morning. A good belly laugh really helped.

    "Congressional leaders are especially angry at the all too often inconsistent and unprincipled public stances taken by party faithful. Even their defenders at the meeting admitted that the voters are out of touch with Congress."

    Bwahahahahahahaha!

    Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it. - Mark Twain

    by Rolfyboy6 on Sun Oct 02, 2005 at 08:36:30 AM PDT

  •  Best line (4.00)
    "Democratic voters don't have any idea how much work is involved in hammering out compromises with the Republicans, who have earned their reputation for being completely unreasonable. We can't get anywhere if we are always dropping everything to listen to complaints from our own side."

    Dear God, I hope they're listening.

    "Doing My Part to Piss Off the Religious Right" - A sign held by a 10-year old boy on 9-24-05

    by Timbuk3 on Sun Oct 02, 2005 at 08:39:11 AM PDT

  •  Serious question (4.00)
    What if the Dems devised a sub-category system of identifying broad individual stances? Ie. populist democrat, moderate Democrat, corporate-giveaway Democrat, etc. The distinctions already exist, but the Democrats don't package them. So, package them.

    It would bring more specificity to the party labels while opening up a space where a plurality of opinions are fostered. It would also bring positions on issues to the forefront and, hopefully, raise the level of honest policy discourse.

    'We have a single system...the only question is the price at which the proletariat is to be bought and sold.' Henry Adams

    by jorndorff on Sun Oct 02, 2005 at 08:40:06 AM PDT

    •  I like it. (none)

      I *gladly* donated to ePluribus Media. Support citizen journalism!

      by nancelot on Sun Oct 02, 2005 at 09:19:31 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  It's time (none)
      It's time to put together a consensus opinion of what being a Democrat really means, send it to our Democratic leaders, promise to have their backs when the RW smear machine attacks them if they enact it, and promise to find more suitable candidates if they ignore it.

      We can swing the country back towards the center, or we can accede to the RW. Which do you want to do?

      "Doing My Part to Piss Off the Religious Right" - A sign held by a 10-year old boy on 9-24-05

      by Timbuk3 on Sun Oct 02, 2005 at 09:53:54 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  We do have these sorts of categories. (none)
      Notably, the Blue Dogs (conservative-leaning), DLC (libertarian leaning), and the Progressive Caucus (liberal-leaning).

      "Whether the British ruling class are wicked or merely stupid is one of the most difficult questions of our time." - George Orwell on the Spanish Civil War

      by Ramo on Sun Oct 02, 2005 at 10:57:04 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Right, but (none)
        they aren't in used terribly often in common political discourse. At least, not to an extent which effectively utilizes them.

        'We have a single system...the only question is the price at which the proletariat is to be bought and sold.' Henry Adams

        by jorndorff on Sun Oct 02, 2005 at 11:06:39 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  What's Really Sad (4.00)
    ...is that when I think about whining and egotistical crybabies like Lieberman and Biden, this story could be oh so true.

    A screed worthy of The Onion.

    "This president believes government should be limited not in size but in effectiveness."
    --The Daily Show

    by bramish on Sun Oct 02, 2005 at 08:42:20 AM PDT

  •  You had me at "Bob Johnson" (none)
    and that was toward the end of this "article".

    Heh. Good one.

  •  The more I thnk about Obama's bullshit (4.00)
    the more I can't stand him. (Yes I know the AP thing satire. It's Billmon - duh. But I want to agree with his point, which is clearly about B.O.'s excrement on dkos this week.)

    Do you think that Republicans EVER scold their footsoldiers on the religious right for being "too extreme?"

    Do their coroporate sponsors EVER get chided for being "too strident" in gutting consumer and worker protections?

    Would a Republican, any Republican, DARE lecture a rich man on his civic duty to pay a fair share of taxes?

    No, no and no. B.O. proposes a weak ass "shift in tone" in the face of the Right Wing Shit Brigade. I feel like a Frenchman in 1939.

  •  Bertolt Brecht - The Solution (4.00)
    After the uprising of the 17th June
    The Secretary of the Writers Union
    Had leaflets distributed in the Stalinallee
    Stating that the people
    Had forfeited the confidence of the government
    And could win it back only
    By redoubled efforts. Would it not be easier
    In that case for the government
    To dissolve the people
    And elect another?
  •  Old News (none)
    Washington Dems split from their supporters a long time ago.  We're just now realizing it, that's all.

    Knowledge is the Past. Wisdom is the Future. - Herbie Hancock

    by Night Owl on Sun Oct 02, 2005 at 08:59:39 AM PDT

  •  What is not funny (none)
    is that I believed this article  until the Bob Johnson quote....and I was ready to join the Congressional Dems.

    To find his equal, and Irishman is forced to talk to God.

    by Delaware Dem on Sun Oct 02, 2005 at 09:01:38 AM PDT

  •  Smintheus, this post is a cheap stunt (3.50)
    I would bet most of the people who recommended it did NOT realize it was a joke.  You should not have said it was an AP article and should not have provided a hard to track down link to a credible blog where you said you saw the link, thereby leading people to trust you that you saw it there.  You should AT LEAST add some type of indication at the end of the post that it is a hoax instead of just saying so in the comments.

    Not very smooth.

    •  I Rec'd It Because It Was An Effective Stunt (none)
      I read the diary.  It sounded unusual and it did play well on an elephant in the room.  I didn't find helpful references.  I read the comments and things became clear.

      This diary is a good reminder to check sources and check comments.  Since it achieved its purpose, and the purpose is constructive, I then rec'd it.  Why not rec every satire diary?  Because this one is exceptionally good based on the number of people it caught and the number of people it pissed off.  Other more important issues?  To me, the truth is an important issue.

      People rec for different reasons, including the one you gave.  These people can always unrec.  Mine will stay.

      •  I would Unrecommend for the very same reason, (none)
        because it was an effective stunt.  I don't know about you, but I'm not particularly in the mood for stunts nowadays.  Especially after all that Obama stuff.

        Every other diary has satirical and misleading titles.  For people who don't have much time to read at this site and prefer to quickly skim front page posts, recommended diaries, and some recent diaries .... 30 percent of them being snark/satire is getting to be quite wearisome.  When I saw the bit about voters being "out of touch with Congress", I knew it was snark, but still, who's to say the koombaya vichies won't pull this at some point, heh.  It just made me sad, instead of laugh.

    •  I certainly did. (none)
      I would bet most of the people who recommended it did NOT realize it was a joke.

       This sentence confirmed it:

      Even their defenders at the meeting admitted that the voters are out of touch with Congress.

      Excellent satire and a most revealing thread, I might add.

      "...the definition of a gaffe in Washington is somebody who tells the truth but shouldn't have." Howard Dean

      by colleen on Sun Oct 02, 2005 at 11:14:16 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Took me a minute. (none)
    I paused when I saw "ex tempore" quoted in the article.  Seemed odd to see that in an AP story.

    Careful ... I think you may have caused some heart rate and blood pressure changes around the dkososphere this morning.  At least, temporarily. ;-)

    Let's get serious about renewables and efficiency. It's time to Win the Oil Endgame.

    by by foot on Sun Oct 02, 2005 at 09:14:24 AM PDT

    •  Exactly (none)
      A real AP or Reuters story would never be that literate, much less correctly spelled and grammatical. And it's missing any balancing comments from Republicans or the American Enterprise Institute.

      We all go a little mad sometimes - Norman Bates

      by badger on Sun Oct 02, 2005 at 10:10:42 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Got Me Good! (none)
    Although I stand by my comment near the top.

    Still wiping the sleep from my eyes here on the port coast.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy....--ML King, "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Sun Oct 02, 2005 at 09:17:10 AM PDT

  •  Good , they are welcome to LEAVE! (none)
    If those self-absorbed gasbags don't like what their constituents want, maybe they shouldn't run next time.  Maybe they should look up what representative government is supposed to be.  This is the ultimate expression of the Beltway Bubble:  "we don't like what those grubby voters want us to do, how dare they organize and challenge us to walk the walk?"

    SUCK IT UP BITCHES!

    You don't want to run a campaign based on small dollar donations?  You want to remain the tool of MBNA and the Zionist lobby...you just go ahead and take their money, but don't be surprised when your ass gets primaried.  Frankly, I've been trying to figure out how to force you out of the positions of "leadership" you have bungled for a decade (or more).  It never occurred to me you would just give them up.  But I guess that's typical of your style...if you can't win, just give up.

    They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety -- Ben Franklin

    by TheGryphon on Sun Oct 02, 2005 at 09:20:53 AM PDT

    •  er...it was a joke? (4.00)
      don't do that to my blood pressure, man!  Dreams of a party without Biden and Lieberman danced in my head.  

      That would be the cherry atop our fabulous Indictment Week Sundae!

      They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety -- Ben Franklin

      by TheGryphon on Sun Oct 02, 2005 at 09:23:50 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  if I didn't know better.... (4.00)
    I would think this was from the Daily Onion.

    Be a patriot...Buy a hybrid vehicle!

    by billlaurelMD on Sun Oct 02, 2005 at 09:30:33 AM PDT

  •  ROFL! (none)
    Very clever snark muscle.

    This is the world of the Republican Party, split open like a rotting pumpkin. Crime after crime after crime being investigated... Hunter

    by x on Sun Oct 02, 2005 at 09:38:57 AM PDT

  •  This was satire??? (4.00)
    I thought it was a reprint of an article from somewhere between the mid 60s and 1990, and you had typoed "Dixiecrats" to "Green Party".
  •  This line got to me the most (4.00)
    "There's no assurance that voters will even notice if we turn our backs on the Party,"

    LOLOL classic stuff!

  •  Tee hee - (none)
    beautifully done.  

    There is so much you have written here that I wouldn't put past them - especially their feeling all put upon because we are riding their asses - that my verbal expression of "wtf?" got louder and louder until I read about "Bob Johnson".  That's when I went looking for the non-existent link.  Excellent job - wish you could hear my applause!

    GWB: best argument I know of to refute "Intelligent Design"

    by Pandora on Sun Oct 02, 2005 at 09:57:51 AM PDT

  •  Ha ha - you guys are cracking me up! (none)
    Discontent is growing among Democrats in Congress over their increasingly disgruntled supporters. In recent weeks, several Senators have met to explore the possibility of breaking with the Party in the next election in order to teach a lesson to their more vociferous voters.

    You mean the opening line didn't tell you this was satire?

    This is the funniest Obama diary I've read I must admit.  Great stuff.

  •  nice satire... (none)
    problem is that I doubt if they care too much about bloggers.
    :-)

    When liberals saw 9-11, we wondered how we could make the country safe. When conservatives saw 9-11, they saw an investment opportunity.

    by onanyes on Sun Oct 02, 2005 at 10:01:27 AM PDT

  •  This is the line that got me: (none)
    "Even their defenders at the meeting admitted that the voters are out of touch with Congress."

    Wait a minute!
    Hold your horses!
    Stop the presses!

    Isn't Congress supposed to be in touch with the voters?

    That's our problem, in a nutshell.

    HotFlashReport - Opinionated liberal views of the wrongs of the right

    by annrose on Sun Oct 02, 2005 at 10:02:15 AM PDT

  •  How can "voters be out of touch... (none)
    ...with Congress"???  In a representative system of democratic accountability, it would mean that Congress is out of touch with voters.  And that they are.

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    by Cool Blue Reason on Sun Oct 02, 2005 at 10:02:20 AM PDT

  •  Voters out of touch with Congress (none)
    I have no sympathy for all of you taken in by this--can it get any more clear?

    Still, I sometimes miss critical cues because I scan a litle too superficially (I'm busy, damnit!).

    Was there ever a more articulate picture of the problem?

    A crew of politicos bringing us government "by the congress, of the congress and for the congress".

    "...there is nothing either good or bad, but thinking makes it so." Hamlet, Act II, Scene ii.

    by thingamabob on Sun Oct 02, 2005 at 10:02:47 AM PDT

  •  Which is funnier? (4.00)
    The original post, or the comments? I can't decide, as I'm too busy smiling and chuckling!

    A little levity feels sooooooo good right now. Thanks, Smintheus.

  •  what's so hard about compromise (none)
    is that all the so-called "compromise" comes from one side (ours).

    "Every act of becoming conscious is an unnatural act." - Adrienne Rich

    by marjo on Sun Oct 02, 2005 at 10:21:27 AM PDT

  •  Not fair! (none)
    I thought like, great, we've taken over the Democratic Party!

    "yes dear...conspiracy theories really do come true." (tuck, tuck)

    by tribalecho on Sun Oct 02, 2005 at 10:28:48 AM PDT

    •  Consider the wider consequences. (none)
      I thought like, great, we've taken over the Democratic Party!

       If you take over the Democratic party you'll have all the money and power of Lyndon LaRoche

      "...the definition of a gaffe in Washington is somebody who tells the truth but shouldn't have." Howard Dean

      by colleen on Sun Oct 02, 2005 at 11:18:12 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  I got so out of touch with the rating system (none)
    That I almost gave you a "0" instead of a "4" ;)

    My snarkiness bows to your satire.  Humor is definitely needed after the Obamafest this weekend.

    And for those that didn't get it, or offended by being taken in.  ROFLMAO!!!

    When I must guard my thoughts, feelings and words, lest I be unpatriotic...then my country is lost

    by crimsonscare on Sun Oct 02, 2005 at 10:34:33 AM PDT

  •  smintheus (none)
    pitiful.
  •  Good, let them (none)
    Anyone who wants to come out on the wrong side of history, feel free.
  •  Outside of Symbolism (none)
    I wonder if anything these legislators actually do would be significant outside of the realm of symbolism.  I doubt they wouldn't get reelected even with a party switch, and it's not like their voting records would change if they left the Democratic party - a lot of members screw us over all the time anyway.  It seems as though this "party split," if it happened, would only be a formalization of the fact that certain members of Congress don't hold liberal Democratic values anymore.

    Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world; it's the only thing that ever has.

    by KevinL75 on Sun Oct 02, 2005 at 10:38:21 AM PDT

  •  Ha! Bring it on (none)
    The only reason I voted for some of those pathetic excuses for Democrats was because they were in my party.

    I'll be glad to vote for someone else! Heck, I'm even dancing in top of the tables here in anticipation!!!

    Plus 3 parties would be GOOD for America.

    Perception trumps Reality until a category 5 Reality blows all the spin away

    by lawnorder on Sun Oct 02, 2005 at 10:40:49 AM PDT

    •  Punked ?!?!? (4.00)
      Grrr.. grumble, grumble, grumble.

      It would be funnier if you had told us it was a snark at the bottom of the diary.

      Perception trumps Reality until a category 5 Reality blows all the spin away

      by lawnorder on Sun Oct 02, 2005 at 10:55:53 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Sorry, but from the POV of the folks who caught it (none)
        this is as funny as it gets. I really do appologise for saying that, but the truth is, the more folks who are caught by a joke, the funnier it is for those who weren't caught. Having been on both sides of the fence before I'm certain of it. I think we should all just think of this as a  good high colonic.

        I need to steal a good sig.

        by John West on Sun Oct 02, 2005 at 03:30:58 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  We can pluck a serious point (none)
    out of this sea of hilarity.  This makes good satire because, while being improbable, it seems possible!

    My two senators split on Roberts.  Murray, that long-ago mom in tennis shoes, voted for the man who likely will overturn the judicial underpinnings of legal abortion and affirmative action.  She really does seem to find the majority of the folks who vote for her a bit of a nuisance...

    www.bushwatch.net - Kicking against the pricks since '98!

    by chuckvw on Sun Oct 02, 2005 at 10:40:55 AM PDT

    •  Murray vs. Cantwell (none)
      Funny that, most people I know consider Cantwell to be the one who gets annoyed at her more vocal constituents.

      From everything I've seen Sen. Murray is about as grounded as a third-term Senator can be expected to be.

      She is also one of the more liberal Senators in Congress. Just take a look at her overall voting record compared to Cantwell's. Very few liberals I talk to around her find much fault with her voting record.

      Then again perhaps Maria was positioning herself to get re-elected. Voting against Roberts can only help her to keep her job. Murray isn't up for re-election again until 2010.

      Personally I'll take both our Senators over almost any other state's pair.

      •  I've voted for both of them (none)
        and, doubtless, will do so again. I think both take their base for granted on occasion - because they can.

        I am probably more favorably inclined toward Murray's voting record than Cantwell's, but her Roberts vote was complete folly.  The right wing is already running ads extolling the reasonableness of Democrats who voted in favor of the nomination (with a scrolling list of their names), and calling on them to be 'reasonable' next time.  I'm not sure why it matters that Murray is not running until 2008.  Why would she want to vote for an anti-Roe, anti-affirmative action nominee in the first place?  Makes no sense...

        www.bushwatch.net - Kicking against the pricks since '98!

        by chuckvw on Sun Oct 02, 2005 at 09:45:36 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  Kos just posted a diary (4.00)
    here saying he'd heard but not confirmed that David Brooks mentioned this "story" on Meet The Press this morning, treating it as serious. He asked if anybody saw MTP and can confirm that report?

    A poster there, Cream City, said that CNN is promoting a story on "freewheeling bloggers" -- and I think I heard the word "satire." This could get more fun.

    •  Fun? (2.71)
      You think deceiving people and spreading false stories is fun?
      Perhaps you could get a job in the Bush administration.

      This is not satire.  Satire doesn't mean deceiving people.  It doesn't mean spreading a false story.

      People will still be repeating this as fact months down the road and it will hurt the Democratic Party.  That may make you feel good personally, knowing that you fooled so many people, but you must realize that there are consequences to this.

      •  The fact that people can (none)
        People will still be repeating this as fact months down the road and it will hurt the Democratic Party.  That may make you feel good personally, knowing that you fooled so many people, but you must realize that there are consequences to this.

        and will find this story believable should sober you right up.

        "...the definition of a gaffe in Washington is somebody who tells the truth but shouldn't have." Howard Dean

        by colleen on Sun Oct 02, 2005 at 11:20:09 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  Well, this is a fine turn of events. (none)
    There is one theory, and one that this meeting might lend some weight to, is that Hillary and all the DLCers are intent on forming a new party, one that takes in all of the center.  

    If the radical right is to far out, and the radical left (for argument sake although few of us would be considered radical in the true sense) is too far out, that leaves moderate dems and moderate republican feeling disaffected from their party.

    Assuming there is 30% on either "way out" side, that leaves 40% in the middle.  Would that be enough for a new party?  Certainly the DLCers theory is that there are many disaffected republicans, and that the dem party can bring in those voters with more "middle of the ground" policies, but they miss one big point.

    The current dem leaders are not even fighting for the "middle ground" very well.  All those amendments they put up to improve bills that are not even allowed to go to the floor -- they should be denouncing this behavior all the time.  They should be telling the public about how the republicans won't even let them have an "up or down" vote on amendments that would help regular people.  

    Make the republicans defend "their way or the highway" approach.  But do they?  No.  But I do believe they would like a new "party" containing all the moderates.

    But I AM A MODERATE.  and I still want my reps to fight to defend me against the republican rightwing.  

  •  Please forward this (none)
    to the congressional Democrats.

    You had me going. Brilliant.

    "The voters are out of touch..."

    Absolutely priceless!

  •  Troll (2.83)
    I don't care what your intention was.
    You have intentionally deceived this community.

    While most reasonable people would recognize this as satire from the first sentence, you had to know people would take this as fact.

    Now that you know that most people have done exactly that, it is irresponsible of you to keep it up here as is.  You must edit it to mark it clearly as satire.

    •  Let me guess, Matt, you're one of the ones who (none)
      "missed" it the first time through. Am I right? Happens to all of us. Sometimes we're the laugher, sometimes we're the laughee. Personally, I caught it part way through the second paragraph. But I've been well and properly snookered before. I imagine it's impossible for a satirist to write satire without thinking that everyone will "get it" since the author so clearly does. If we need to start leaving warning signs that say, "Danger, Thin Skin," I'm sure we will. I just hope we don't have to.

      If you can laugh, you've already won.

      by John West on Sun Oct 02, 2005 at 04:20:27 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  No (none)
        That's why I said any reasonable person would have been able to spot this as satire from the start.

        The problem is that there are clearly plenty of unreasonable people here and elsewhere who will take the whole thing as fact and spread it to others.

        It's not that the diarist failed to provide enough clues that the piece was satire, he went out of his way to deceive them into thinking it was true.  There is a big difference there.

        •  This looks like one of those (none)
          "agree to disagree" things. I don't see it as going out of his way to deceive anyone. I see such such attention to detail as the hallmark of great satire. There is, of course, both blatant satire and subtle satire. Subtle satire is a delicate balancing act. For it to work it must tread the line between truth and fiction, not quite stepping on either side too heavily.

          But I will grant you that a blatant disclaimer could have been placed on the very last line without doing too much harm to the diary, though all those priceless comments would have been lost, and I thought they were the best part, as did many of the ultimately sheepish folks who posted them.

          If you can laugh, you've already won.

          by John West on Sun Oct 02, 2005 at 05:01:27 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

  •  ROFLMAO (none)
    Democratic strategy session in the Senate last Friday evening at which speaker after speaker voiced impatience with what they regard as cowardly and unreasonable activists on the left wing of the Party.

    ROFLMAO.. this is a joke.. a piece of satire... right?

    cheers,

    Mitch Gore

    Nobody will change America for you, you have to work to make it happen

    by Lestatdelc on Sun Oct 02, 2005 at 11:00:03 AM PDT

  •  Sorry, I'm not in the mood for satire yet (none)
    this morning.  I'll try again later.
  •  Dear lord. (none)
    I honestly can't believe the handful of people at the top of this thread who actually thought the article was serious. What's wrong with you people? Do you have any kind of critical analytical ability whatsoever? Honestly, you should have got it at "Congressional leaders are especially angry at the all too often inconsistent and unprincipled public stances taken by party faithful," if not way before. I mean, when you read news articles, do you tend to digest what they say or accept everything at face value? Sorry if this seems like a bit of an overreaction, but I'd expect this kind of unquestioning acceptance at FreeRepublic.com, not at dKos. I'm disappointed. (For what it's worth, though, the article was funny). Mephisto

    The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact than a drunken man is happier than a sober one - George Bernard Shaw

    by Mephistopheles on Sun Oct 02, 2005 at 11:08:47 AM PDT

  •  This line.... (none)
    "Even their defenders at the meeting admitted that the voters are out of touch with Congress."

    This one really had me going!! Voters are out of touch?!?!? I was really laughing about that...but then I got pissed...

    this is great satire...

  •  More Reason to say: "Fuck All Ya'll." (none)
    It would great for the country if so many of the psuedo democrats in congress revealed their true plutocratic plumage.

    This would open up a wonderful opportunity for a real "3rd Party" (in reality a 2nd party) challenge to the status quo in government and politics/policy.

    "The secret of man's being is not only to live but to have something to live for." - Dostoyevsky

    by robolywa on Sun Oct 02, 2005 at 11:24:01 AM PDT

  •  I'm not opposed to a breakup (none)
    of the Democratic Party.

    All I want is a return to "We the people..." not We the rich..." or "We the corporations..." and the Democratic Party's refusal to stick up for the poor, the disadvantaged, those Americans who are working two jobs and still can't make ends meet.  I will only support a party that gives a damn about the people.  It's that simple.

    •  And You Believe that is Possible (none)
      You believe it is possible for the two party duopolistic system, which has become ingrained with plutocracy to reform, to break the funk and return to politics of peoples' representation?

      "The secret of man's being is not only to live but to have something to live for." - Dostoyevsky

      by robolywa on Sun Oct 02, 2005 at 11:43:29 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  I'm so confused?? (none)
    Are centrists pissed that the senate is too far to the right???? What the fuck.  They SHOULD join the republican party, our party has moved so far to the right of me I feel totally alone.

    When I first read this I thought the CBC or other liberal congressmen & women were going to split w/ the Senators like Liberman who have split in the face of the democratic base.

    Its not easy being a Floridian.

    by lawstudent922 on Sun Oct 02, 2005 at 11:30:57 AM PDT

  •  Must be a joke (none)
    "Even their defenders at the meeting admitted that the voters are out of touch with Congress."

      I've seen Billmon post these psuedo-news stories before.

    "The sun is not yellow, it's chicken." -Dylan

    by gjohnsit on Sun Oct 02, 2005 at 11:33:25 AM PDT

  •  I don't believe it (none)
    Primarily because I doubt that any Senator is seriously concerned about what "the blogs" think of them.
  •  Gotten! (4.00)
    It is a sad statement that I thought the article was mostly true, with the green statement just being sarcasm within the conversation being overheard. It is sad when so much faith has been lost in Democrats being the competent opposition that the article seemed real. I think it should be labeled as satire, for so many unbelievable things have happened:

    • I cannot believe that Gore and Kerry did not fight harder for full recounts and against election fraud.

    • I cannot believe that a war could be started and maintained on such flimsy lies.

    • I cannot believe that the media and congress would be so compliant instead of aggressively investigating all actions.

    • I cannot believe that everyone does NOT believe in global warming.

    • I cannot believe the US would let thousands die just from standing water. I cannot believe that FEMA would STOP help from entered damaged areas.

    When there are brave people willing to die in a war, why don't we have brave people willing to risk political careers for the truth? Why is our best spokesperson, a grieving mom?

    So yes this should be labeled satire, for in the context of what has already been happening, this satire is not much of a stretch!

  •  unreasonable (none)
    and will someone let me know what kind of a chance a demo will have getting elected as a "green"  goodby to them that think their constituents 'are out of touch".  
    we constituents live it every day and you live up in the Beltway totally divorced from our realties.
    This is AMERICA demos, and grow the f---k up.
  •  Let the moderate Democrats quit (none)
    There is enough talent in this room to replace every one of them.

    Retire yourselves, chumps.

    We want your jobs.

  •  Dems defunct (none)
    two party duopolistic system is no longer capable of representing the best interests of the people.

    this is nothing new.  I am no historian, but I think it can be argued that the government never represented the best interests of all the people.

    It has always been plutocracy.

    Enter the 21st century...  It's a new age.  We can affect change now.  We can ensure peoples' democracy!

    "The secret of man's being is not only to live but to have something to live for." - Dostoyevsky

    by robolywa on Sun Oct 02, 2005 at 11:46:21 AM PDT

  •  Why are people recommending this (none)
    It is fine to write a satire but to claim you got an AP story on a third party's website is pretty irresonsible. Does Billman know you did this, did he consent.
  •  This is Funny (none)
    Loved It....I am laughing my butt off.
  •  Master Billmon's (none)
    ju jitsu left many on the mat.
  •  as funny as the diary is (4.00)
    the comments are even funnier.  talk about evidence of the humorlessness of the left.

    PolisPundit - An Agenda for a New Liberalism

    by goblue72 on Sun Oct 02, 2005 at 12:00:32 PM PDT

  •  too good (none)
    So well written odds are a white house press secretary will be interested in you for a professional positition.

    http://www.noslaves.com http://forum.noslaves.com

    by BobOak on Sun Oct 02, 2005 at 12:15:37 PM PDT

  •  bummer for me (4.00)
    i don't think this is that funny.

    a bunch of people who actually do threaten to abandon the party joking about lawmakers mulling over the idea of abandonning the party.

    on second thought.  this is brilliant.

    i get it now.

    and it's a force of habit/ if it moves then you fuck it / if it doesn't move you stab it -- MacManus

    by BiminiCat on Sun Oct 02, 2005 at 12:44:04 PM PDT

  •  How can this be a joke (4.00)
    when in fact it's already happened?  Sometime around the founding of the DLC, I'd bet.

    Only the joke's been on us all these years, because they continue calling themselves Democrats.

  •  i think it is damn funny. (none)
    they sound like petulant children who had their tv taken away. they also know we are the only game in town for them. maybe someone needs to remind them that they work for us.
  •  I've noticed (4.00)
    rather serious levels of irony deficiency in some posters.  Might I suggest you order some of Doc Riddle's Old Fashioned Loozianna Recipe Irony Supplements.    

    Bush - the New Hoover. He really sucks.

    by slick riddles on Sun Oct 02, 2005 at 01:05:14 PM PDT

  •  I thought this was a spoof story (none)
    until I read it a second time. WE are out of touch with THEM????!! Oh the irony!
  •  Fantastic satire. (none)
    Just close enough to what we all fear. Who doesn't sometimes suspect that senators and representatives complain along these lines:

    "It's getting hard to ignore [our constituents]."

    and

    "We can't get anywhere if we are always dropping everything to listen to complaints from our own side."
  •  Why the fuck is this on the recommended list? (3.00)

    Sometimes the jokes write themselves. Sometimes they run for President.

    by Sixfortyfive on Sun Oct 02, 2005 at 01:21:37 PM PDT

    •  Because people need humor (none)
      in these dark days, or they'll go insane.

      Further, because we all need to seriously reflect on the fact that the bizarro world/twilight zone picture that smintheus painted, which at one point in time would have been clearly taken as satire, is so close to what we're seeing now that many took this diary seriously.  What a frightening thing that we've gotten to the point we have.

      What an excellent day for an Excorcism... SCI

      by DianeL on Sun Oct 02, 2005 at 01:28:19 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  Becuase its very funny (4.00)
  •  Fucking hilarious, (none)
    But tell me, people have been saying that Bob Johnson guy had a dog with him too, and it piddled on some guy from FOX, is that correct?

    By the way, they serve wonderful sweet rolls at Eve's diner, and did you know there's really an 'Eve' from NYC?  I hear she's a doctor who specializes in aspirating toxins which have been built up in one's system via a magic lance.

    What an excellent day for an Excorcism... SCI

    by DianeL on Sun Oct 02, 2005 at 01:22:58 PM PDT

  •  LOL (none)
    Got to be rove in drag
  •  I too love sarcasm... (none)

    But this leads to...."?

    When the middle class is gone, who will support the Republicans in the manner to which they have grown accustomed?

    by keepinon on Sun Oct 02, 2005 at 01:37:29 PM PDT

  •  Idiots. (none)
    If this is for real, those Democrats are really very stupid.

    I quote:
    "Democratic voters don't have any idea how much work is involved in hammering out compromises with the Republicans, who have earned their reputation for being completely unreasonable...."

    On the contrary, we know exactly how much work is involved.

    The point is that they shouldn't even be trying to hammer out compromises with completely unreasonable people.  When you're dealing with completely unreasonable people, compromise is usually another word for surrender.  They should be going hard on the attack, filibustering like mad, denying quorums, filing lawsuits, pressing criminal charges.  If they don't get that, they really are making themselves irrelevant.

  •  smintheus.. (4.00)
    You really ought to write for the Onion...this was great.  The beauty of satire is in the gullibility of the audience. Surprising how many could not tell your tongue was firmly shoved into your cheek. (Actually, I was only truly convinced when I got to "Bob Johnson")!!

    A lot of people are waiting for MLK or Mahatma Gandhi to come back...they are gone. We are it. It's up to us, it's up to you..edelman

    by ZaphodsSister on Sun Oct 02, 2005 at 01:55:37 PM PDT

  •  This is front section news in the Right wing press (none)
    You think it's funny and a joke but in the "hard press" sunday paper, the state republican rag ran this right up there for all to see.

    Joke - maybe

    but not when the rethugs us it to make the congressional dem's look crazy.

  •  LMAO (none)
    I love Billmon

    Fucking brilliant

    not mention hilarious.

    "As individual fingers we can easily be broken, but all together, we make a mighty fist" Watanka Tatanka (Sitting Bull)

    by wild salmon on Sun Oct 02, 2005 at 02:15:43 PM PDT

  •  NOT A SINGLE NAME IN THE POST.... (none)
    Why would MODERATE DEMS joind the GREEN party?  Sounds like Bullshit to me.  Get some F'ing sources before you post this shite.
  •  So... (none)
    They're thinking about splitting--explicitly for the reason of splitting the Democratic vote--because they're more concerned about owning the Party than they are about actually winning elections and seats?

    I am not at all surprised.

    Look: we're beating you up because you don't represent us. We're beating you up because your "Republican-lite-ism" is worthless and everybody knows it--especially the voters.

    As citizens in a Republic it is our duty to beat up on our elected representatives if they do not represent us. If we did otherwise then it would be our heads on the platter. It would be us, not Nero, who this time fiddled.

    You think you're going to be relevant at all if you try to fuck up the people who care the most? Yeah right! You'll have a shattered, worthless party. And then guess what: the Republicans really, really will own everything and then where will we be?

    Do not go down this road! You, elected officials, want to make a choice when you do not need to.

    You want to choose the Republicans over your own base?

    AND THEN YOU WONDER WHY WE BEAT UP ON YOU???

    The Shapeshifter's Blog -- Politics, Philosophy, and Madness!

    by Shapeshifter on Sun Oct 02, 2005 at 02:20:53 PM PDT

    •  Wait! (none)
      Billmon! That bastard!

      He's one of the few people who can write satire like that. Unless the Billmon link was just a fake and our author here wrote it, in which case: another person to add to the list!

      The Shapeshifter's Blog -- Politics, Philosophy, and Madness!

      by Shapeshifter on Sun Oct 02, 2005 at 03:14:22 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

        •  I'm fuckin rollin, (none)
          I haven't laughed so hard since bush declared a toxic dump site a national treasure during the first few months of being enthroned.

          What an excellent day for an Excorcism... SCI

          by DianeL on Sun Oct 02, 2005 at 05:41:40 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  He did what? I missed that... (none)
            I love the comments on this thread with the shrill denunciations of Dem leaders: 'Who do they think they are??' The funniest of all was by the person who said he/she thought this diary was satirical until the second read through.

            And here I thought my second paragraph was so silly that nobody could possibly take it seriously.

            •  Yep. The second paragraph nailed it. (none)
              The first paragraph left me bewildered. The second left me laughing.

              If you can laugh at them, you've already won.

              by John West on Sun Oct 02, 2005 at 06:02:31 PM PDT

              [ Parent ]

              •  But when you get to something like (none)
                a man who would identify himself only as Bob Johnson, you're in Robert Benchley territory. How could anybody miss that?
                •  Certainly no excuse for those familiar, (none)
                  my favorite was the diner Eve, from NY.

                  ;0)  

                  What an excellent day for an Excorcism... SCI

                  by DianeL on Sun Oct 02, 2005 at 06:45:11 PM PDT

                  [ Parent ]

                •  Someone with degrees from (none)
                  Brown, UCLA, and Oxford wouldn't. But as sharp as most folks in here are, well educated or not, (and I'm not) this blogosphere can still be a difficult medium to adapt to or even successfully gague your audience. There simply isn't enough information available and there are thousands of folks who come here from all walks of life.

                  Fortunately, this isn't the MSM where you have to tone it down to junior HS levels. But there's a very broad demographic in here so it's best to write on multiple levels, what you can, if you can, just so you don't leave anyone out. It's rewarding if you can pull it off, (I usually fail miserably) but I'll bet from reading this diary that you're one of the few who can do it.

                  Oh, and what the heck, slap a disclaimer on at the tail end anyway if it's snark, just for those few folks among us who missed their morning coffee, or might forever be thick as a brick about humor.

                  Laugh at them, then watch them turn purple.

                  by John West on Sun Oct 02, 2005 at 09:09:31 PM PDT

                  [ Parent ]

                  •  Slap a disclaimer on (none)
                    I'd thought of doing that, but the humor was so broad that I couldn't see many people missing it for more than a few paragraphs. Anyway, I had to edit a typo in my diary, and when I reloaded it a minute or two after posting it there were already three comments talking about it as satirical. So I confessed to one of them that it was. The people who fired off broadsides just didn't read the initial comments. Maybe I also have a reputation for writing super serious diaries, and that may have confused one or two posters. Anyway, I hope it made its point alongside all the Obama screeds. I'm glad you enjoyed it, and thanks for the compliments.
            •  2001 just prior to 9/11: (none)
              one source

              Aug. 28-- Other presidents have honored Pearl Harbor, Mount Vernon, Alcatraz and Martin Luther King Jr.'s birthplace as national historic landmarks.

              Now, the Bush administration has added its own hallowed place: a garbage dump in Fresno.

              Citing its historic role in landfill design, US Interior Secretary Gale Norton on Monday included the Fresno Municipal Sanitary Landfill among a list of 15 sites across America that she designated as her first national historic landmarks since taking office this spring.

              snip

              But what the release didn't mention is that the area is also a Superfund site -- meaning it's one of the most polluted spots in America.

              The decision to place 79 million cubic yards of rotting junk alongside 2,100 other national historic sites, most of them venerable buildings, battleships, churches and stately homes, is believed to be the first of its kind. It also makes the dump eligible for a bronze plaque and government betterment funds.

              smintheus, I can't tell you how much I needed this laugh.  And then to think of the added bonus that after people realize it's satire, they realize that they're not insane, the country is so fucked up and we've been so gaslighted that it's gotten to the point where what you wrote is believable.

              What an excellent day for an Excorcism... SCI

              by DianeL on Sun Oct 02, 2005 at 06:20:35 PM PDT

              [ Parent ]

        •  You bastard! (none)
          S'what i get for skimming, i guess.

          Hats off for a terrible ruse and well-done satire :P

          The Shapeshifter's Blog -- Politics, Philosophy, and Madness!

          by Shapeshifter on Sun Oct 02, 2005 at 07:12:16 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

  •  I am soooo glad I caught this, (none)
    and didn't post anything irate in response. I noted in another chat hall a few weeks ago that I could no longer tell the difference between a AP story and one from the Onion. Sad and getting sadder.

    I need to steal a good sig.

    by John West on Sun Oct 02, 2005 at 02:47:08 PM PDT

  •  The repubs were getting all excited (none)
    about a coming Democratic meltdown.....

    If various posters hadn't said anything about it all being a joke, the repubs might have fallen for it....

    could you imagine the reports getting back to Bush...

    "Sir, we're saved!  The Democrats are imploding again!"

    But no........

  •  Its for real all right. (none)
    It's all too real. /snark

    Advertisers spend billions of dollars to get your attention. Now you can get theirs. www.adnausea.org

    by HunterKiller on Sun Oct 02, 2005 at 03:54:30 PM PDT

  •  Snark has returned in abundance. Rejoice! (none)
    Bullseye!

    "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities" -- Voltaire

    by ohwilleke on Sun Oct 02, 2005 at 04:56:24 PM PDT

  •  wicked (none)
    you had me until the bit about the dems being surprised greens wouldn't compromise on the environment. this is landover baptist level of wickedness.
  •  I don't believe a word of this (none)
    This sounds like a hoax or a Rethug planted news piece.
  •  God damn (none)
    the DLC. Fuck 'em.  The DINO's and RINO's should just go form a third party and be done with it.  These morons don't represent any of us.  I'm sick of their whining.
  •  Good for them (none)
    Elected officals need to put the voters in their place from time to time.

    Now if they would only do something about the Irish problem.

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