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So far, so good. It seems to me that tags are working out great. We've got a few more tools and tricks in the pipeline to make the best of tags. But tags are only useful if generated properly. Some tips (including some repeats for emphasis):

  • Use full names, first and last. Check out the tag list to find the most popular formulation of people's names. Should it be "Joe Wilson" or "Joseph Wilson"? A look at the list shows that the masses have settled on the former. What about the president? It's a battle between "George W Bush" and "George W. Bush" (with a period after the 'w').

    There is one early exception -- PLAME is settled without a first name. Probably because most of the time the term is used it refers to the scandal, not Valerie herself.

  • Use combinations of simple tags rather than inventing complex ones. For instance, use tags CIA, LEAK and INVESTIGATION, instead of "CIA LEAK INVESTIGATION". Avoid creating tags longer than two words.

  • Try to think of what tags people might use to search for something and use those. For example, PLAME, KARL ROVE, PATRICK FITZGERALD, BOB NOVAK, and TREASON might all be good tags for an entry on the Valerie Plame outing.

  • Try to re-use existing tags. Keep it simple. Don't use tags that are redundant. Avoid obvious tags. This is a site about politics, so there's no need to use a tag called POLITICS.

  • For election posts, add the year, state and office. So the Colorado governor's race in 2006 is tagged: 2006, GOVERNOR, COLORADO.

  • Stop with the "cutesy" tags. This is a tool to help organize content, not show how clever you are with keywords like HUNTERRIFIC to express how great Hunter's diary was. Or FROGMARCH to get a chuckle out of Rove's fate. And it's definitely not a place to offer feedback on a post, like IDIOTIC or INSIGHTFUL.

One last point -- while I have alll-capped the tags for emphasis in this post, don't all-cap them when laying out the tags. The tagging system is not case-sensitive. But this is the internet -- all-caps equals shouting. Don't shout your tags.

Update: I've been persuaded that using the current race abbreviations is probably a good thing, like "OH-Sen" and "AZ-01". That's site nomenclature that has evolved over the past four years, so we might as well use them as tags.

Originally posted to Daily Kos on Wed Oct 12, 2005 at 12:42 AM PDT.

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A tag is a way to search for this diary. If someone is searching for "Barack Obama," is this a diary they'd be trying to find?

Use a person's full name, without any title. Senator Obama may become President Obama, and Michelle Obama might run for office.

If your diary covers an election or elected official, use election tags, which are generally the state abbreviation followed by the office. CA-01 is the first district House seat. CA-Sen covers both senate races. NY-GOV covers the New York governor's race.

Tags do not compound: that is, "education reform" is a completely different tag from "education". A tag like "reform" alone is probably not meaningful.

Consider if one or more of these tags fits your diary: Civil Rights, Community, Congress, Culture, Economy, Education, Elections, Energy, Environment, Health Care, International, Labor, Law, Media, Meta, National Security, Science, Transportation, or White House. If your diary is specific to a state, consider adding the state (California, Texas, etc). Keep in mind, though, that there are many wonderful and important diaries that don't fit in any of these tags. Don't worry if yours doesn't.

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  •  How about alphabetizing the All Tags list? (4.00)
    Next version?

    Former soldier. Fighting every day for my country.

    by SilverWings on Wed Oct 12, 2005 at 12:43:07 AM PDT

      •  It is the undercurrent (none)
        You can feel it coming.
        •  Patrick Fitzgerald (4.00)
          Kos, spelling matters for tags, and of course "Patrick Fitzpatrick" while quite nice in a symmetry sort of way, is NOT going to help us when we're searching for "Fitzgerald".

          Thanks for the tags, I think they'll be a great addition to this site.

          •  lol (none)
            I really, really should stop posting after midnight.
            •  That error is in the diary-posting software too (none)
              It refers to "FITZPATRICK" as a useful tag when discussing the Valerie Plame case.  I think you meant Fitzgerald.  Patrick Fitzgerald.

              I was dumb enough to write a diary on this topic and missed yours.  If not for the poll I'd delete it.

              Chaos, fear, dread. My work here is done.

              by madhaus on Wed Oct 12, 2005 at 01:35:24 PM PDT

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          •  Proper names (none)
            I was kind of wondering at that myself. Should the tag be "Patrick Fitzgerald" or "Fitzgerald, Patrick?"

            I just envision a nightmare trying to find posts about specific people after a while. People may not recall or know the first name to begin with; the surname is usually what sticks in peoples' minds.

            My 2 cents.

            ~~~~
            Blogesque
            Economic Left: -6.25 Social Libertarian: -5.03

            by OhioLen on Wed Oct 12, 2005 at 12:41:09 PM PDT

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          •  Patrick Fitzpatrick (none)
            Sounds like a Monty Python character...:-)

            "...I believe in the power of laughter to subvert authority and promote democracy."-Kate Clinton

            by Revel on Wed Oct 12, 2005 at 12:44:29 PM PDT

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      •  Can we also have (none)
        "sort by most recently created" for those of us who will be anally scouring the tag space at periodic intervals for misspelled and misshapen tags?

        I also like the current sort order of most popular at one end and (1) at the other.  The (1)'s are those most likely to have been malformed in some way, which is how they got orphanned and lonely.

      •  18:47 BST 13 Oct (none)
        Aiee! Kos, what have you just done? Please, put the tag lists back to strict columnar format, this compact version is unreadable!

        The idea of alphabetical order, as I see it, is to be able to scan down the list and spot the spelling mistakes. This is just awful.

        Can I at least ask for an option to choose? I much preferred the way you had it before?

    •  It's been done! (none)
      Check out my diary entitled "TAGS ON PARADE" from yesterday...  you can find it easily by searching the "META" tag...

      just updated it, and alphabetized it... the number is 1682 and counting...

      yowza!

      btw... you can cut and paste the entire list of "all tags" and put them into an Excel spreadsheet and do an autosort...

      just fyi...

  •  patrick fitzpatrick (4.00)
    didn't jimmy fallon play him on SNL?
  •  Kos (none)
    I'm starting to think you never sleep. Anyway to alphabetize that existing link list? It's pretty tough to wade through.

    Read UTI, your free thought forum

    by DarkSyde on Wed Oct 12, 2005 at 12:47:13 AM PDT

  •  the irony is delicious... sorta (4.00)
    There is one early exception -- PLAME is settled without a first name.
  •  You up for this if we get it built? Seems needed. (none)
    (from my recent diary)

    Disillusioned posted a wonderful diary (I'm Scared).  Based on comments among several people @ Street Preachers, I posted a suggestion that some seem to think might help: a community board to let others know of available resources.

    Figured out how to do it.  We can get a trial balloon up on this is in a VERY short time, pending sufficient interest.  How 'bout if we start with the job market boat.  If you're on the market, & have been using kos for some time so that you have at least SOME credibility in this community, & would like to try an initial launch, please give me your email contact by Friday 8 a.m. (Pacific).  (Sorry, I have not yet put up a public email account for myself, but will get right on that.)  I'll keep taking contact info unless / until I get too many, & we'll see what happens.

    Former soldier. Fighting every day for my country.

    by SilverWings on Wed Oct 12, 2005 at 12:58:28 AM PDT

  •  Kos, when do you sleep? (none)
    Are you a night owl, or vampire?  Or did you just get excited testing out the new tagging system?

    There is some good library science thesis material in this, I'll bet.  It's a great way to study the organization of information.

    We're all pretty crazy some way or other; some of us just hide it better.

    by david78209 on Wed Oct 12, 2005 at 12:58:38 AM PDT

  •  Tags are great (none)
    I have to admit I was nervous about the tags (I'm still nostalgic over the old website design), but the tags are really great.

    Much better than other search techniques I've seen employed throughout the internetssss (e.g., broad category groups, etc...).

    "I got a letter from the Republican Party the other day. I wrote back, 'Go fuck yourself.'" - Bette Midler (Rolling Stone, 9/18/2005)

    by GregNYC on Wed Oct 12, 2005 at 12:59:26 AM PDT

  •  Did I Miss the Class? (none)
    I have absolutely zero clue as to what a tag is or how to use one. Do I write the word 'tag' somewhere - perhaps in parentheses like Plame (tag)? How do I mark something? How do I use them? How can I find them?

    Canada - where a pack of smokes is ten bucks and a heart transplant is free.

    by dpc on Wed Oct 12, 2005 at 01:13:10 AM PDT

    •  Bottom of the diary (none)
      At the very bottom of the diary (not the bottom of the comments) you'll see

      Tags:  :: Add Tags to this Story

      You can add a tag to your diary, kind of like a keyword.  There's a search function at the top of the Recent Diaries column to search by tags.

      On other people's diaries, you'll see the same thing, including the tags they've assigned to the diary.  For example, on this diary, there's 'Tags: tags, daily kos, meta (all tags) :: Add Tags to this Story'.

      •  And if you're TU (none)
        If you're a trusted user, you can edit other people's tags.

        Which is why I went in there and changed all those "bush"es into "George W. Bush"es.

        Now tell me whether the "anal-retentive" tag should have a hypen or not.

        Chaos, fear, dread. My work here is done.

        by madhaus on Wed Oct 12, 2005 at 01:40:10 PM PDT

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  •  how (none)
    about abbreviating the states?  '2006' 'CO' 'Governor'.  I think it'll keep the tags cleaner and shorter.
    •  I was just looking for an appropriate place (none)
      to insert my plea not to abbreviate states.  I just saw a diary about Katrina with "LA" in the tags, and wondered what it had to do with Los Angeles.

      Also, spare a thought for us foreigners who don't always know which is MT and which is MN.

      If you do have an abbreviated State tag, maybe specifying that it is one will help with the first problem, so stateLA, stateCO, etc. This will have the useful side effect that the "state" tags will all appear together in an alphabetized list of tags, like so:

      stateAK
      stateAL
      ...
      stateME
      stateMN
      stateMS
      stateMT
       etc.

      Sadly, that won't do anything about my second problem :-)

  •  "Douchebag of Liberty" (none)
    Must remain!

    "The concentration [of the legislative, executive and judicial powers] in the same hands is precisely the definition of despotic government." - Jefferson

    by El Payo on Wed Oct 12, 2005 at 01:26:29 AM PDT

  •  aww, bummer (none)
    I actually kind of liked the idea of having tags like "analysis" or "thoughtful" or things like that, for those of us who want to avoid the current events stuff and stick to meatier reads.

    Also, some of these more creative tags could help enrich the culture here.  Maybe certain members that are real tag-hounds could tag diaries that they personally recommend ("tunesmithy"), and then other people that trust their judgment could always check the "tunesmithy" tag to find the diaries that tunesmith liked that they might have missed...  anyway, more generally, there could be good points to having tags that imply judgment opinions, rather than just having tags that have subject categories...

    •  Tag types--a suggestion (none)
      Maybe you can get a consensus going that a class of tags is acceptable. So your first example you might call the "diary type", and you could get people to call their diaries "type:analysis" or "type:thoughtful" and so on.  Your second idea you could call "rec:tunesmith", "rec:Dave NY", and so on.

      As with my "state:NJ" idea above, it would have the neat side effect of all the tags of a type appearing together in an alphabetized list. I don't know if non-alphanumeric characters are allowed at present, but perhaps a small selection like the colon could be allowed, with instructions to use it only to identify a tag type.

  •  Auto tag correction? (4.00)
    1. Some popular spelling errors could be auto-corrected (too sleepy to think of any good ones... um, Ariana Huffington, Arianna Hufingdon, etc?  yeah, told you that was a bad example).

    2. More importantly, the W in George W. Bush could be automatically inserted.  There's no situation in which a distinction is meaningful.

    3. And States could have their 2-letter code added as a tag automatically, i.e. things tagged 'California' could have 'CA' auto-added.

    (Doing that the other way around might work too, but I forsee problems with small tags meaning something other than a State being treated as if they do.)

    I think (2) is the more important one.

    "Summoned or not summoned, the god will be here" - Jung's tombstone.

    by BleedingKnuckleLiberal on Wed Oct 12, 2005 at 01:27:23 AM PDT

  •  i thought we could have a daily (4.00)
    tag clean-up meeting or something.  i know the people who read this are OCD enough to want to make sure everything is purdy.

    Some sort of executive tagging group.

    SoapBlox Colorado - The Daily Kos of the Centennial State. Join today!

    by pacified on Wed Oct 12, 2005 at 01:40:12 AM PDT

  •  Very nice (none)
    I imagine that was a lot of work. Anyway, as this has turned into a feature request thread, I'll add mine: could you make the tags that a person puts on their own entries a different color than the tags other people attribute to it?

    Pointing out that I am not, in fact, clever at all, is neither original nor clever.

    by Not Clever At All on Wed Oct 12, 2005 at 02:04:46 AM PDT

  •  One question... (none)
    I do understand the reason to keep the tags short and succinct; however, I don't understand how a solitary '2006' tag would be of benefit. For example: 2006, GOVERNOR, COLORADO. Isn't that a little too vague? Couldn't we actually put every single diary written in 2006 under that tag?!

    Not a complaint, just a question. The tags are absolutely fabulous!

    Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has. -- Margaret Mead

    by ilona on Wed Oct 12, 2005 at 02:08:50 AM PDT

    •  Every single diary (4.00)
      written in 2006 is indeed eligible to be tagged with "2006" alone, but only diaries about the 2006 Colorado Governor's election would be eligible for the set of 2006, GOVERNOR, and COLORADO. I think it's a question of permutability. Consider the following five diaries:

      2006, GOVERNOR, COLORADO
      2006, GOVERNOR, IOWA
      2002, GOVERNOR, COLORADO
      2006, SENATOR, COLORADO
      2008, PRESIDENT

      I've used two years, three offices, and two states to describe five diaries, a total seven tags. At this level, it looks like it would have been more "efficient" for me to create five unique tags of the form 2006-GOVERNOR-COLORADO than to use those seven. But those seven tags are actually capable of describing 2*3*2=12 separate classes of diary, so already it's more efficient than creating twelve unique tags would have been.

      Extend the set to ten years, fifty states, and five offices, and the number of different diaries they can describe expands to 10*5*50=2,500 diary types, for the creation of only 10+5+50=65 tags. And that's not counting combinations like 2002, GOVERNOR, SENATOR, COLORADO, about a diary discussing both senatorial and gubernatorial races in one diary, and so on.

      It's like the difference between Chinese and English. Chinese has a character represent a word, and children must learn thousands of different characters. English has a character represent a letter, and children need only learn twenty six, but they can use those twenty six to make as many words as there are in Chinese (I'm oversimplifying terribly for the sake of the analogy, I know)

    •  Why (none)
      would you tag a story as written in 2006 when the dateline of the story already provides that information?

      I'm saying the only reason to have a date in the tag field is to specify an election year. That's the only way dates have been used in tags so far. And this is an election/politics site.

  •  Mr .Marcos (1.00)
    Do you allow this ? you don't think this is cut and paste?? Just curious?? Can you please explain to me How would you describe this?

    http://dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/10/5/14590/3276

  •  Now part of the FAQ. (none)
    Many things should be.  This dairy is.
    •  Yeah! (none)
      'narcissistic diaries' is back as a category, err... tag.  And I'm the only one.  I'm the only one.

      'Sort By Tag:' ON/'Tag:'narcissistic diaries/'Set'.

      Bouncy, bouncy, bouncy, bouncy, fun, fun, fun, fun, fun...
      But the most wonderful thing about tiggers is...

  •  "Use full names, first and last." (none)
    This is going to really limit your search, unless you also use a separtate "last name" only tag (as you illustrate in item 3.)  For example, if I search on "Bush," I'll probably get more than I want, including H.W., Laura, Bitch Barbara, etc. (If there's a way to search within only the records found, I could then narrow my search to "George.") If only the full name is tagged, and I search on "George W. Bush," or "George Bush," and the tag is George W Bush, I won't get anything.

    Never forget...this is not a game.

    by nehark on Wed Oct 12, 2005 at 03:25:48 AM PDT

    •  I was thinking about what you wrote (none)
      and I wonder if we could get a bit of code that would search the space of tags for the string "Bush". The response might be something like:
      The tag "Bush" belongs to 387 articles. There are also:
      184 articles on "George W Bush"
      112 articles on "George H W Bush"
      53 articles on "impeach Bush now"
      67 articles on "Bush administration"
      2 articles on "Kate Bush albums"
      1 article on "the Australian bush"
      Do you want to include these hits?
      That would let us deprecate e.g. "Mylroie" in favour of "Laurie Mylroie", knowing that no one's navigation experience is going to be harmed by the deprecation, because the first tag is completely present in the second.
      •  That would work. (none)
        Even better would be a link behind each hit item in the list which would automatically narrow your search for you. I'm not familiar with the mechanics of this software, but I do know it's always better to start broad and work your way in. If we only used full names as search terms, we'd have to ask everyone here to use full names, exactly as typed in the tags, every time a person is mentioned.

        This is not a game.

        by nehark on Wed Oct 12, 2005 at 02:16:05 PM PDT

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  •  i think it's great (none)
    these tags are glorious. they will be very useful in searching for info. as a librarian, i do have to stop and chuckle about kos advocating what we librarians call "bibliographic control" in standardizing names and terms.

    lo these many years folks have resisted "thinking like librarians." now your day has come. welcome to the fold!

  •  Three points, a comparison, and thanks (none)
    1. Can you list the tags on a wider template (user diary template) than the front page? The list is squished with the ad strip running down the middle and makes it very hard to use at a glance. Wider is better for viewing all the tags.

    2. Kossacks, take a few minutes to edit your old diaries to include tags. I added tags to a few favorite. It makes the utility of the tags retroactive, baby!

    3. We should decide on a standard tag for Congressional Races so FL6, Florida 6th and FL-6 don't all get used. And something for Senate Races to help focus searches on the political races. Senators like McCain and Hillary will end up having hundreds of diaries but not all of them will be about the political races in their respective states.

    Flickr, a Yahoo photo site, uses tags as well. For an example of how they prsent them see below:
     amsterdam   animal   animals   april   architecture   art   australia   baby   barcelona   beach   berlin   bird   birthday   black   blackandwhite   blue   boston   bridge   building   bw   california   cameraphone   camping   canada   car   cat   cats   chicago   china   christmas   church   city   clouds   color   colorado   concert   day   dc   dog   dogs   england   europe   family   festival   fireworks   florida   flower   flowers   food   france   friends   fun   garden   geotagged   germany   girl   graduation   graffiti   green   hawaii   holiday   home   honeymoon   house   india   ireland   italy   japan   july   june   kids   lake   landscape   light   london   losangeles   macro   march   may   me   mexico   moblog   mountains   museum   music   nature   new   newyork   newyorkcity   newzealand   night   nyc   ocean   orange   oregon   paris   park   party   people   phone   photo   pink   portrait   red   reflection   river   roadtrip   rock   rome   sanfrancisco   school   scotland   sea   seattle   sign   sky   snow   spain   spring   street   summer   sun   sunset   taiwan   texas   thailand   tokyo   toronto   travel   tree   trees   trip   uk   unfound   urban   usa   vacation   vancouver   washington   water   wedding   white   winter   yellow   zoo

    I can't duplicate the effect but these tags are bigger or smaller depending on how many times they are used. It's very cool and I'm guessing very patented code. They also have clusters and "interestingness" which are great features if not great grammar.

    And thanks for doing all this work Kos. The utility you are adding to this site is awesome. Many people credit the content of the site (front page and diarists) but the technical quality of this site is far and away the best online. Kudos to you and the site team for all your efforts.

    Learn more about Lowell Weicker, Connecticut's next Senator.

    by joejoejoe on Wed Oct 12, 2005 at 04:51:08 AM PDT

    •  I'm sure that Eschaton... (none)
      I'm sure that Eschaton commenters are no less smart than Kossacks (hell, they're probably mostly the same people!) but Daily Kos's Scoop site architecture is what makes the site so much more intelligent in its appearance than Blogspot plus Hell-o-scan. Thus proving that format matters.
      •  The format of DK (none)
        is why I post here and not at Eschaton, though I respect Atrios and his community tremendously.  Both  have excellent quality of postings.  This site is far more usable and navigable.

        Besides, where else can you find better political snark on the Internet?

        •  Yeah, but (none)
          there's the endless marching series of "Open Threads", as Atrios desperately tries to keep his hordes satisfied without the comment box exceeding 500, and there's the complete impossility of adding anything to the discourse because by the time you even notice there's a new thread, they've dumped a ton of "Frist!", a desultory few on-topic comments, a bunch of high-fiving between the regulars, the inevitable trolls, the inevitable mocking of the inevitable trolls, and the junk that comes in with the long long tail. And all in one linear tube of comment, with no possibility of filtering or navigating.

          I think Atrios should get himself a Scoop like MSOC did, not for the community-management aspect (though God knows they have a community there, for them as likes the format), but for the ability to see what's happening in the actual discussion without wading through extraneous wordage.

          Put it another way, Scoop lets Markos run a big advocacy community and a blog that casual browsers can come to and find out what's news in politics, in the same space. It's the sort of smart info-management technology we're all going to need as this blogosphere thing gets ever bigger.

  •  tags (none)
    The first thing I noticed about the first few tagged articles is that they have so many keywords as to be worthless. I would strongly suggest that the tags try to identify the major topic of the post as opposed to all posssible topics that may be touched upon by the post.

    "war is peace, ignorance is strenght, freedom is slavery" these are the beliefs of the right wing

    by DXK on Wed Oct 12, 2005 at 05:22:07 AM PDT

  •  Tag Wars (none)
    While tagging guidelines are all well and good, the beauty of tags on sites like del.icio.us is that the tags are all over the place.  Check out this entry for White House.  One tag is presumably in Italian.  Another in Japanese.  One person uses Hurricane as a tag, one uses misrable and failure, and another uses Bushwhack.  Some emphasize its use as a general reference.  Another focuses on its use as source material for Social Studies teachers.

    The point is that all are valid in some context.  And the beauty of having so many different points of view is that one of them will invariably be close to yours.  There's not so much one "right" way to tag an entry, but rather several clusters of tags that build up popularity through repeated use.

    One centralized set of tagging rules that are rigidly enforced doesn't do this.  I'm concerned that this could devolve into a series of minor flame wars about what is and isn't an appropriate tag.

    Which tag is right: abortion, choice, or murder?  intelligent design, pseudoscience, dogma or hogwash?  business development or corporate welfare?

    A lot of it depends on your individual perspective, world view, and current mood at the time.

    If you want to continue to have lively discussions, people need to feel free to tag things however they want.

  •  One key change would help (none)
    Allow trusted users to remove tags.

    That would help weed out badly formed tags, allow people to correct spellings etc.

    Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.--Philip K. Dick

    by Randomizer on Wed Oct 12, 2005 at 05:52:06 AM PDT

  •  Suggested change in diary text (none)
    For instance, use tags CIA, LEAK and INVESTIGATION, instead of "CIA LEAK INVESTIGATION". Avoid creating tags longer than two words.

    Yesterday, I edited tags that were sentences/phrases to reduce them to keywords. The syntax described in the diary seems unclear for the novice. Perhaps you could make it more explicit:

     "CIA, LEAK, INVESTIGATION", instead of "CIA, LEAK  and INVESTIGATION".

    Otherwise we end up with "LEAK and INVESTIGATION" as a tag.

    thanks...

    Edward R. Murrow:We must not confuse dissent with disloyalty. When the loyal opposition dies, I think the soul of America dies with it.

    by digital drano on Wed Oct 12, 2005 at 06:30:40 AM PDT

  •  Putting a finger on the pulse of the Kossacks. (none)
    I am noticing that the list of current tags also indicates how many diaries are attached to that tag.

    Is this necessary?

    Are tags going to be used to put a finger on the pulse of the Daily Kos community? Will this data be put to use somehow? Because as a member of the community, I don't see a value in knowing how many diaries have been written on a certain subject.

    I can see how political operatives might be interested in these numbers, or advertisers, but what use does the common Kossack have for them?

    You've spoken of the tags in terms of organization, and many see tags as a more efficient alternative to the search function, but they are also an efficient means of "pigeonholing" the community.

    I think you ought to make tags optional, a choice for a diary's author to make. If not, you should be clear on if and how this data will be used.

    •  numbers help searching (none)
      Knowing how many things a tag applies to helps a searcher choose tags. If a tag selects many things, it is less useful for narrowing a search but good for finding something on that topic; if it selects few, it is good for narrowing but poor for casting a wide net. This is important when combining tags, as many combinations select nothing at all.

      Some tagged sites use a visual technique to show relative popularity of tags - you can see an example at flickr.com. Perhaps dailykos can move to such a technique too - it's better feedback and doesn't get bogged down in the numbers.

      "Instead of asking what you could do, you ought to have been asking what needs to be done."

      by khaavren on Wed Oct 12, 2005 at 06:58:48 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  True to a point. (none)
        With this logic, the only useful purpose for numbering is coming to a consensus on naming to avoid redundancy (Bush, W, George W Bush, George W. Bush, chimp, etc.).

        If naming conventions are an issue, there are better ways of dealing with them. An author could choose to tag a diary. The author could submit the tag for review, while an individual or individuals (paid or volunteer) could then apply the appropriate tag(s) to that diary based upon pre-determined guidelines. Tracking quantity would not be necessary to achieve this.

        This is what library cataloguers do. If it were up to the patrons to sort materials, you'd have anarchy. And those that don't do original cataloguing do copy cataloguing based on developed standards (even then, there is latitude in judgment). But trust me, libraries track usage and use the data for reasons other than assigning a shelf location.

        Perhaps a routine could be written to compare a suggested tag to existing tags and present a list of all possibilities to the author. This principle could also be used in reverse to generate lists of diaries with similar tags (i..e., choosing to view diaries tagged with "bush" would return diaries with George W, w, chimp, laura, kate, baked beans, etc.). The option to narrow a search, at that point, could also be implemented, without need for tracking quantity.

        I'd still like to know if the tags will be put to use for reasons other than improving upon the keyword search function.

    •  Numbers help the "tag tidying team" (none)
      If I see "Karl Rove (17)" and "Carl Rove (1)", I'm pretty confident that the person who wrote "Carl" got the spelling wrong. Of course, sometimes it's not necessarily about the tag being a mistake as such; as kos said, you can see what the community is settling on as a tag, and change the mavericks to make them conform (unless there's a good reason for the variant form).

      Think of it like an Iowa caucus :-)

  •  happy to help (none)
    It's cool you used so much of my Tagging Tips comment I posted on Monday. I guess that stint I did as a tech writer continues to be useful.

    Of course I'm happy to help, but a tip of the hat would be appreciated.

    "Instead of asking what you could do, you ought to have been asking what needs to be done."

    by khaavren on Wed Oct 12, 2005 at 06:45:15 AM PDT

    •  The Wired article (none)
      The Wired article Khaavren cites is also a useful reference. I'm really interested to know if professional librarians have known all this stuff since forever, or if massively-distributed indexing is producing some genuinely new emergent phenomena.
  •  I dunno, kos (none)
    I think FROGMARCH might be a pretty convenient tag pretty soon.

    Politics is like driving. To go backward, put it in R. To go forward, put it in D.

    by TrueBlueMajority on Wed Oct 12, 2005 at 06:54:51 AM PDT

  •  Hey Kos... (none)
    ...Ever thought about entering the teaching profession?

    You'd be a good'un.

    You want to downsize the government?
    Fuck you. My government defends the American people.

    by deafmetal on Wed Oct 12, 2005 at 07:13:20 AM PDT

  •  Races (none)
    For election posts, add the year, state and office. So the Colorado governor's race in 2006 is tagged: 2006, GOVERNOR, COLORADO.

    What about tags like OH-Sen, or AZ-01?

  •  Tags are not working for me... (none)
    I tagged this diary (among many others)

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/2/17/10515/0631

    with Jeff Gannon, Valerie Plame, and Dana Milbank, and the tags do not show up anywhere.  Am I doing something wrong??  The tags show up on the diary.

  •  Thanks (none)

    Thanks. I came on the site one morning, started my diary, and was faced with choosing tags. I hadn't the slightest idea what tags were being used.

    Now I'll see what otehrs are doing.

  •  I spend a sizeable part of my day... (none)
    reading dKos.  I read slowly. I'm probably in the early stages of Alzheimer's.

    Things come.  Things go.  I miss them.  I haven't a clue.

    Tags?  I didn't know they even existed until they jumped fully formed onto the Koscape.

    Couldn't we have Kos Lite, where the less nimble, like me, could go for reassurance, instruction, and rebriefing?

    I'm all for improving the effectiveness of dKos.  I suspect Tags will do that.  But I still need Tags 101.  Heck, I need Kos 101.  FWIW...

    danz

  •  There should be a system for automatically (none)
    resolving ambiguous tag names by referring to dKosopedia redirects. For instance, 'George W Bush' and 'George W. Bush' both redirect to 'George Walker Bush' on dkosopedia. What if the tag system here were able to reference such redirects to make automatic substitutions?
  •  Can there be a 'personal' tag? (none)
    I wonder if people could use the tag "personal" for diaries that are primarily about the diarist, in the way that "meta" would be attached to diaries about the site.  Surprisingly, there are no "personal" tags in the system now, just a "personal essay"...

    Obvious recent examples include the Pastor's plea, "I'm Scared"... maybe the regular "chat" threads like WYFP and Brothers and Sisters, even What are you Watching/Reading?  I'm always interested in learning about the community behind the community, as it were.  (Though I understand people could be concerned about the relative privacy afforded here, or creeps like me looking for diaries about users' real lives.)

  •  Not sure if already noted or not... (none)
    Has anyone else noticed that using forward slashes '/' in tags (as in 9/11) results in a page error? Not Found - The requested URL /tag/9/11 was not found on this server.

    The problem seems to stem from the tag rendering the '/' character as %2F ala: http://www.dailykos.com/tag/9%2F11

    Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has. -- Margaret Mead

    by ilona on Wed Oct 12, 2005 at 01:30:12 PM PDT

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