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According to Froomkin!!!  

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/linkset/2005/04/11/LI2005041100879.html

Surely, popcorn time must be near!!

Here's the website:

http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/iln/osc/index.html

"Special prosecutor Patrick J. Fitzgerald has just launched his own brand-new Web site.

"Could it be that he's getting ready to release some new legal documents? Like, maybe, some indictments? It's certainly not the action of an office about to fold up its tents and go home....

"Fitzgerald spokesman Randall Samborn minimized the significance of the Web launch in an interview this morning.

"I would strongly caution, Dan, against reading anything into it substantive, one way or the other," he said. "It's really a long overdue effort to get something on the Internet to answer a lot of questions that we get . . . and to put up some of the documents that we have had ongoing and continued interest in having the public be able to access."

Originally posted to GernBlanzten on Fri Oct 21, 2005 at 10:26 AM PDT.

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  •  a response to the "overzealous" smear... (4.00)
    The documents up there are those that spell out exactly what Fitzgerald's mandate is.  I think it's to counter the charges floating around that he's gone beyond his authority in pursuing the conspiracy.

    "Patriotism is not short, frenzied outbursts of emotion, but the tranquil and steady dedication of a lifetime." -- Adlai E. Stevenson

    by eebee on Fri Oct 21, 2005 at 10:28:45 AM PDT

    •  Exactly (4.00)
      I said the same, though not quite so eloquently, downthread.

      It will also be a time saver for his staff to say:

      "Here's the link to the indictments".

      Hope their server is up to the load demand.

      www.ePluribusMedia.org

      by kfred on Fri Oct 21, 2005 at 10:30:18 AM PDT

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      •  I think there's more to this than just a defense (4.00)
        The old saying, "The best defense is a strong offense," leaped into my head when I heard about the new Fitzgerald OSC website.

        If this saying applies here, then the new website could more than just a reaction to recent misinformation concerning the scope of the OSC's mandate. It may very well be the groundwork for an overwhelming "shock and awe" offense that will come when the indictments are released.

        We don't know what he knows yet we speculate that both Veep and POTUS staffers will be indicted. What if he knows a lot more than we think? After all, we do know that he has looked at the Niger forgery. What if while he was looking at the disclosure of a covert agent, he dug deeper into the very issue that led to the disclosure - the 16 words in the state of the union address? What if he was able to determine that the basis for these words was the manipulation of intelligence based upon this now discredited memo? What if he was able to determine the source of this memo? What if he was able to determine not only who manufactured it, but who ordered its manufacture? And what if he found out that the instigator was an elected official?

        If that's the case, then the real crime here truly is treason. And all of the acts taken to cover this up, instead of misdirecting him, actually have served as the triggers that have led him to look just exactly where he needed to look in carrying out his mandate.

        Admittedly, my tin foil hat has been tingling unbearably, and maybe the tingling is just wishful thinking, but if I was getting ready to issue indictments against an elected official when everyone else was looking for indictments against appointees, I would certainly want all of my ducks lined up in a perfect row.

        Give a man a fish, he dines today, teach him how to fish, he dines tomorrow, teach him how to sell fish and he eats steak! Anon.

        by Serendipity on Fri Oct 21, 2005 at 11:27:57 AM PDT

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        •  I'm tingling (none)
          right there with you, Serendipity!

          Must. lower. expectations....

          •  Brilliant move... we will all be able to read the (4.00)
            indictments in the original form.

            I propose we give an the Fitz's website a proper name.  Let's call it the:
            THE FITZGERALD NO-SPIN ZONE

            "Waist deep in the Big Muddy And the big fool says to push on." --Pete Seeger

            by DoDi on Fri Oct 21, 2005 at 12:06:35 PM PDT

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          •  Oooh, such a delicious . . . (4.00)
            tingling tin-foil sensation.  My brain is throbbing, my legs are weak, I must lie prone upon the floor ...

          •  Why is Hinchey's letter not on the Fitz site? (4.00)
            Where is Rep. Maurice Hinchey's Sept. 15th letter, signed by 40 Democratic colleagues, requesting Fitz to expand the investigation to include the "Administration's false and fraudulent claims in January 2003 that Iraq had sought uranium for a nuclear weapon"?

            After all, it was an official letter from U.S. Congress regarding the scope of his investigation. It would be nice to see it there on Fitz' site. Why isn't it there?

        •  Another purpose (4.00)
          The source materials provide a way for various newspapers around the country to summarize what has gone on previously without having to rely on wire service summaries.

          The no-nonsense statement of facts at the beginning of the Supreme Court brief, although tailored to the question whether a reporter's privilege exists, would help any effort to discuss the formation of the special counsel's office and to explain the scope of the reference.

          The primary purpose may be the easy distribution of the texts of the indictments, but the site makes the documents authored by the office available nationwide.

          We're all in this together.

          by JTML on Fri Oct 21, 2005 at 12:03:52 PM PDT

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          •  Yes, When this hits, the DOJ servers (none)
            would go down under the demand.  Insofar, this is a practical step.  

            But it also says how seriously they are taking this.  They are in it for the longhaul.  That is what I take from this move.  

            When you are going through hell, keep going! - Winston Churchill

            by flo58 on Fri Oct 21, 2005 at 07:09:56 PM PDT

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        •  And how!! (4.00)
          Those forgeries didn't just "happen" and they weren't "discovered" like apples at the base of the tree. They were created with malice aforethought for use as tools in an attempt to sway public opinion. Whoever instigated the Niger forgeries is a truly dangerous individual and can be considered to have the blood of thousands on their hands. There is every reason to suspect the forgeries were part of a disinformation campaign ordered by those who were most intent, single-mindedly so, with taking the country to war, in the absence of all morality or logic.
        •  hahahaha, go to fitz's website and see how (none)
          you have been lied to and screwed little sheepie.
        •  My first thoughts also. (none)
          Contrary to what his spokesperson said, I think the delay in putting up the website was deliberate. I'd certainly hate to think that the only reason he put up the site is because he thinks people are going to complain that he didn't go far enough.
        •  That's Not Tingling (none)
          You are feeling the force of the Fitzgerald intellect.
        •  Exactly (4.00)
          The statement was disingenuous. The very act of opening the site with less than a week to go is another line of pressure, both on the WH and the media.

          Fitzgerald is saying that there is going to be important and interesting stuff that should be published and that he doesn't trust either Bushco or the complicit media to deal straight with the American people.

          He also knows that what he puts on the web will get faster, deeper circulation than any media can manage, forcing them to play catch-up on the story.

          Jesus I wouldn't want to play poker against this guy.

    •  maybe he wants to trade his pics of (4.00)
      cheney holding bushies hand in fron of the grand jury and other such soothing pics for porn?
    •  only if Fitzgerald had found no corruption (4.00)
      and then spent millions and years looking for a soiled dress, that would be going beyond his mandate
    •  yep (4.00)
      I think Fitz just cut some 80% of mainstream media BS chatter.  Now everybody can say, hey skippy, read the paper first before talking in front of camera.
      •  he has seen the media, first hand, (4.00)
         for lying sack of shits that they are.
        •  For All We Should Know About This Fact, (4.00)
          it's amazing how firsthand experience recalibrates the estimation of 'fringe' claims.

          Big Ed Schultz got shut out of Armed Forces Radio hours before they were due to begin carrying his first daily hour, and he had words to the effect of having second thoughts about what some of lefties experience from media and Republican government.

          We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy....--ML King, "Beyond Vietnam"

          by Gooserock on Fri Oct 21, 2005 at 02:04:41 PM PDT

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      •  a pre-emptive strike (none)
        against a spoiled jury pool?  

        "You might think that. I couldn't possibly comment." Frances Urquhart (House of Cards)

        by Yankee in exile on Fri Oct 21, 2005 at 11:59:51 AM PDT

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    •  recommend this up (4.00)
      don't make me come getcha...

      "Fitz, don't fail me now !!" ~~Mantan Moreland, bug-eyed actor in "King of the Zombies", 1941

      by seesdifferent on Fri Oct 21, 2005 at 10:51:05 AM PDT

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    •  And if he WASN'T going to issue... (none)
      indictments, would he really even care if he's being smeared as "overzealous"???

      I don't THINK so! Then again, that's just me...

    •  Here it is in b/w (4.00)
      February 6th, 2004

      "Dear Patrick,
      At your request , I am writing to clarify my December 30, 2003, delegation to you of "all the authority of the Attorney General with respect to the Department's investigation into the alleged unauthorized disclosure of a CIA employee's identity" in plenary and includes the authority to investigate and prosecute violations of any federal criminal laws committed in the of, and with the intent to interfere with , your investigation, such as perjury, obstructing of justice, destruction of evidence, and intimidation of witnesses; to conduct appeals arising out of the matter being investigated and/or prosecuted; and to pursue administrative remedies and civil sanctions (such as civil contempt) that are with the Attorney Generals authority.
      Sincerely
      James B. Comey, Acting Attorney General"

      "Bin Laden determined to strike in US"- Presidential Daily Briefing - August 6, 2001

      by What were you thinking on Fri Oct 21, 2005 at 12:33:33 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  My response to the impending smear. Who's Next? (none)
      F.I.T.Z.G.E.R.A.L.D.

      Finally
      Information
      That
      Zeal,
      Enthusiasm,
      Relish,
      Gusto,
      And
      Love
      Disseminated

      "Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe." - Albert Einstein

      by A Patriot on Fri Oct 21, 2005 at 06:37:51 PM PDT

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      •  OOOPS! (none)
        F.I.T.Z.G.E.R.A.L.D.

        Finally
        Information
        That
        Zeal,
        Gusto,
        Enthusiasm,
        Rvelish,
        And
        Love
        Disseminated

        "Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe." - Albert Einstein

        by A Patriot on Fri Oct 21, 2005 at 09:33:59 PM PDT

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  •  Our Strategy (4.00)
    Assuming Fitz issues a worst-case (from the White House's perspective) announcement, we need to be prepared to download the contents and preserve them.

    After reading John Dean's comments today and putting up with this BREAKING/DEVELOPING MYSTERY PACKAGE story, I have to wonder what the White House will do in retaliation.

    (Remember Libby's "aspen" letter also referred to biological threats.)

    Everybody up for it?

    •  Cocked, locked, and ready to rock! (4.00)

      What a piece of work is man, in form and moving... ...quintessence of dust. and all that

      by Erevann on Fri Oct 21, 2005 at 10:38:14 AM PDT

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    •  Oh Great (4.00)
      Viewing Fitzgerald's website I was reminded that I work across the street from his Chicago office...hope there's nothing biological about how they retaliate!
    •  What do you suggest (4.00)
      we then do with them?  Stuff them into a time capsule and bury them in our backyards?
      •  Perhaps (none)
        Perhaps he means to suggest that you print them out and stuff them under your tinfoil hat.  You do have a tinfoil hat, don't you?
        •  SHE suggests (4.00)
          that we remember how many times the mainstream media has failed us over the last 5-6 years, remember that Miller may not be the only propagandist in the press, remember that this administration let nothing get in its way to launching a war.

          For these reasons we should be prepared to document Fitz' results, at a minimum.

          I'd like to see us make a concerted effort to do more than that, like posting hard copies in key locations like libraries and grocery stores.

          Once upon a time, way back in December 2004, some of us who believed there may have been vote fraud were reviled as tin hatters.  Bring it on, call me a tin hatter again.  I don't trust these SOB's occupying the White House and it's clear that many of their own don't either (like Larry Wilkerson).  Hence the call to action.

          •  Totally agree with you (none)
            The website is a no spin zone. Given the incestuous involvement of the MSM in this whole affair, I wouldn't trust them with a "no comment". I think Fitz is going to publish the indictments on the website first on October 28 at 12:01 am. Remember, he's up against the WH spin machine. It will leave them little room to pivot but be sure a terror alert will come next week too.I also think, he is not a publicity hound and may not annouce the indictments in person. All the answers will be on the website. Brilliant!
          •  Well then (none)
            Sorry for the iGender confusion.  Lucky for me, on the internet, nobody knows I'm a dog.

            Seems to me that if the administration can squash the special prosecutor, hide his documents, remove his website and generally overstep their boundries in an obscene manner, that your hard copy of the documents hidden in your local library aren't going to do much good.  In fact, rather than stopping by the library to get the hard copy printouts of the indictments, you would be better served stopping by your local Wal*Mart and picking up a shotgun instead.  

            Aha!  So there!  I see your tin-foil-hattery and raise you one conspiricy theory!

        •  I gott mine! I even have a spare, (none)
          in case this one wears out.

          My first "0". I feel so.... unworthy. - JW -

          by John West on Fri Oct 21, 2005 at 02:50:18 PM PDT

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    •  Ohhh I'm sounding like a (4.00)
      stuck record.  Or like dust got in my CD.  Or like a corrupted MP3 file.  

      Folks - it's not enough for us to sit back and hope that the efforts of a prosecutor and a fistful of indictments will work like pixie dust and make the administration's evils disappear overnight.

      As we know, there will likely be a massive project of disinformation, distortion, maligning, smearing, blurring and muddying - all the strategies that the RW muck machine is so darned good at.  

      And in the chaos of meaning that results, good things will happen to bad people.  While we wait for the muck to clear so that common sense can prevail, pardons will be granted, bad-people-in-waiting will be promoted, a couple of stooges will fall on their swords by resigning, and the rest of the foul-smelling, stinky mess will be swept under that already bulging White House rug.

      Let's not kid ourselves:  over the past 6 weeks, when excitement and anticipation on our side has been rising like mercury in Miami in May, the other side has been preparing for the worst.  Unless the aliens came and took their brains away, they have already figured out how to douse the fire before it even gets started.  

      So, in addition to preserving the evidence as the poster above suggests, we need to be getting out front with our demands. We need to be clear on what we, the people, regard as absolutely essential to ensure that justice is done and that appropriate punishments are handed out.  We must be ready to shape the post-indictment clamor.  So what do we want?  

      This conversation needs to start now - on talk shows, on blogs, on Air America Radio, in letters to editors, in op-ed columns.  Let's look beyond the hope of indictments, to the goals we really want to achieve.  Otherwise I am truly afraid that we will rejoice in the victory of indictments, only to see justice shoved into the abyss because the Yahoos* are still in control.

      (*Talking of Swift, this is what the King of the Brobdingnags says to Gulliver after hearing all about the country from which he hails:

      "My little Friend Grildrig, you have made a most admirable Panegyric upon your Country: You have clearly proved that Ignorance, Idleness, and Vice may be sometimes the only Ingredients for qualifying a Legislator: That Laws are best explained, interpreted, and applied by those whose Interest and Abilities lie in perverting, confounding, and eluding them. I observe among you some Lines of an Institution, which in its Original might have been tolerable, but these half erazed, and the rest wholly blurred and blotted by Corruptions. It doth not appear from all you have said, how any one Virtue is required towards the Procurement of any one Station among you, much less that Men are ennobled on Account of their Virtue, that Priests are advanced for their Piety or Learning, Soldiers for their Conduct or Valour, Judges for their Integrity, Senators for the Love of their Country, or Counsellors for their Wisdom."

      -- Gullivers Travels, Part II, Chapter 6.    

      The more things change. . .

      Reality addict - can't get enough of seeing it all clearly

      by writeout on Fri Oct 21, 2005 at 12:05:24 PM PDT

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      •  I think the aliens took their brains (none)
        years ago. And I think this isn't a fire -- it's an atomic bomb.
        •  Aliens Took Their _Souls_ Away (none)
          And these guys are tied in with the most successful brains in the country, and we'd better believe that there's the mother of all damage control systems in place to make sure the bigger plan isn't disrupted.

          We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy....--ML King, "Beyond Vietnam"

          by Gooserock on Fri Oct 21, 2005 at 02:22:04 PM PDT

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          •  Let's just hope.... (3.50)
            ..they aren't planning 9/11 part 2 as a way to divert the sheeps attention. They have already done it once not to mention rigging 2 elections and starting 2 illegal wars. Hey where is that proof of Ossama Bin Ladens guilt that Condi Rice promised we would see soon...back in 2001?
             

            "Patriotism is loving your country always and your government when it deserves it"-Mark Twain

            by fool me once umm on Fri Oct 21, 2005 at 05:42:09 PM PDT

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      •  "Worse Than Watergate" (none)
        Every bit of sleaze, from this to DeLay to Frist, to Abramoff, etc., etc., can later be made to fit under it.

        With Worse Than Watergate being the battle cry, then the sheeple instantly get the message without a whole lot of upfront explaining (of course, we at the same time go about explaining, but all those explanations will already have Worse Than Watergate as the frame of reference). We can worry later about explaining how all the other sleaze fits under it as each said sleaze has its Judgment Day. (Now, you just know that millions of Americans will be hearing about all of this for the 'first time' b/c they only watch 10 minutes of Today in the morning or 5 minutes of Faux at night....if that....and they will be scratching their heads going, "So people are getting charged with crimes over Katrina?"....b/c that is the last time a wee bit of news punctured their world).

        AND, without having to say or hear another world, those little pea brains and that little internal voice gets to working...."If this is Worse Than Watergate....and PRESIDENT Nixon had to resign over Watergate....well, then I guess that means that......wow, really?"

        Come into the light, my children.

        •  That's not a bad (none)
          one-liner.  It certainly pegs this to an iconic reference that most people will immediately cop to.  It may, if nothing else, get their attention.  

          But I think we need to go a little bit further in our demands, and here I am stealing from an earlier diary of mine.  

          We need to issue a clarion call for specific action so that we can head the RW cavalry off at the easy pass (to pardons and mild censure).  So, for example:

          1. if it turns out that the indictments reach into the Vice President's office, do we, the people, call for congress to impeach Cheney?

          2.  If Rove is indicted, do we call for congress to impeach Bush?

          3. What about the WHIG conspirators?  What would we consider to be "justice done" in their cases?  How do we hold them acountable? Jail time?  Large fines?  Should they be required to do community service?  Make a public apology on broadcast TV, together with full disclosure of their crimes?  What is permissible under the law?  

          4.  What do we demand if, as in scandals past, all the main players take the 5th?  How do we prevent them from hiding behind a constitutional right only to then be pardoned by a president - as has happened all too often before.

          My sense is, we need to start an insistent drumbeat of demands with the goal of ultimately weeding out corruption and abuse of power, secretiveness and shadow operations.  

          We need to use this moment to begin a process of cleaning out our collective House - starting with the White one, and then going onto the Congressional one.  

          So, it's not just the framing or the meme or the sound byte that we have to nail down.  We also need to control the discussion about what recompense needs to be made to us, the people, for all that they, the indicted, have wrought in our names.  

           

          Reality addict - can't get enough of seeing it all clearly

          by writeout on Fri Oct 21, 2005 at 03:22:41 PM PDT

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          •  The other thing... (none)
            ...is that whoever frames first, frames best.

            If we jump out and get our frame out there first -- the way we did on the Bush-Kerry debates, the way we did on Social Security -- we win.

          •  Agreed (none)
            I was just trying to put forth the sound bite.

            Excellent questions you raise, many of which I think we can't really have an answer for until the indictments come down.

            My own thoughts on 1 & 2:  I would say ring the bells to impeach, impeach, impeach....but both Georgie and Cheney at the same time?  That's a tough one b/c I keep coming back to the Constitutional crisis that would ensue. Anything that the collective Congress will do (or allow to be done) will be through the filter of those and other worldwide ramifications...including the world economy.

            I started saying to friends after the 2004 election that when BushCo finally turned this country into the proverbial drunk in the ditch -- when that day, THE day, finally got here -- that what would possibly result would be the appearance by Dems to be much more "silent" than we (the base) would like, but would really be the Dems being willing to be sacrificial lambs in this whole damn mess....falling on the sword of our public opinion, to some extent, in not calling for the "ultimate" [impeachment] so as to serve the greater good:  the sheer survival of our Republic.  If they do or do not call for it depends, in large part I believe, on their own answers to the crisis questions.

            That's it for me tonight.  I'm all tapped out.  Thanks for the questions.  We need to keep asking and answering them.

      •  Took their brains (none)
        Writeout is absolutely correct. These guys have been working on how to control this for weeks. While we blog away, they are planning/conspiring.
        •  They're fucked (4.00)
          and they know it.

          They made 2 mistakes that they won't be able to run away from for much longer.

          #1. Jerking with CIA.  (They'd gotten away with all of it if they hadn't gone after Plame, and hadn't Wilson and other CIA people [past and present] circled the wagons.   Wilson, Larry Johnson, and others are BIG heroes in all of this. They literally (we're all hoping) saved the day.)

          #2. Allowing Fitz to be appointed as Special Prosecutor.  (He's another hero.  I think we need new currency. Fitz on the $1. Wilson on the $5.  Johnson on the $10.  We need to see their faces to remind ourselves, and future generations, of how dangerously close we came to losing any semblence of democracy in this country.

          Hope I'm not speaking too soon; we're not out of the woods yet.

          I love the smell of impeachment in the morning!

          by gabbardd on Fri Oct 21, 2005 at 07:08:26 PM PDT

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      •  You're right, we should just give up. (none)
        That's what you're saying, right?

        Sorry, but as much as some folk want to believe that these clowns are omnipotent geniuses, they're really not.  The more you think they are, the more of an excuse it gives you not to do anything about them.  So, sooo much easier and "cooler" to sit in the corner and moan about How Hopeless It All Is.

        C'mon.  They're trustafarians for the most part, their daddies or granddaddies or great-grandddaddies having done the heavy lifting when it came to amassing the family fortune.  They make up for being lazy by having no scruples whatsoever.  They figure that their money can insulate them forever from the effects of their actions.

        Guess what:  They figure wrong.

        And they're about to find that out.

        •  Not sure how (none)
          you arrive at the conclusion that a call to action that urges us to develop effective strategy and insist that certain demands be met, is saying we should "just give up."  Seems to ask for the exact oppposite.  

          Reality addict - can't get enough of seeing it all clearly

          by writeout on Fri Oct 21, 2005 at 08:44:24 PM PDT

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      •  First, have a 4! (none)

        A lot of Gulliver's conversation with the King of Brobdingnag appears ripped from our headlines.  (A lot also reflects the view of a very conservative Tory of Swift's day...)  So, from your source here is a larger selection from Gulliver's audiences with the King, with appropriate links added.  

        When I had put an End to these long Discourses, his Majesty in a sixth Audience consulting his Notes, proposed many Doubts, Queries, and Objections, upon every Article. He asked what Methods were used to cultivate the Minds and Bodies of our young Nobility, and in what kind of Business they commonly spent the first and teachable Part of their Lives. What Course was taken to supply that Assembly when any Noble Family became extinct. What Qualifications were necessary in those who were to be created new Lords: Whether the Humour of the Prince, a Sum of Money to a Court Lady or a Prime Minister, or a Design of strengthening a Party opposite to the publick Interest, ever happened to be Motives in those Advancements. What Share of Knowledge these Lords had in the Laws of their Country, and how they came by it, so as to enable them to decide the Properties of their Fellow-Subjects in the last Resort. Whether they were always so free from Avarice, Partialities, or Want, that a Bribe, or some other sinister View, could have no Place among them. Whether those holy Lords I spoke of were always promoted to that Rank upon account of their Knowledge in religious Matters, and the Sanctity of their Lives, had never been Compliers with the Times while they were common Priests, or slavish prostitute Chaplains to some Nobleman, whose Opinions they continued servilely to follow after they were admitted into that Assembly.

        He then desired to know what Arts were practiced in electing those whom I called Commoners: Whether a Stranger with a strong Purse might not influence the vulgar Voters to choose him before their own Landlord, or the most considerable Gentleman in the Neighbourhood. How it came to pass, that People were so violently bent upon getting into this Assembly, which I allowed to be a great Trouble and Expense, often to the Ruin of their Families, without any Salary or Pension: Because this appeared such an exalted Strain of Virtue and publick Spirit, that his Majesty seemed to doubt it might possibly not be always sincere: and he desired to know whether such zealous Gentlemen could have any Views of refunding themselves for the Charges and Trouble they were at, by sacrificing the publick Good to the Designs of a weak and vicious Prince in Conjunction with a corrupted Ministry. He multiplied his Questions, and sifted me thoroughly upon every Part of this Head, proposing numberless Enquiries and Objections, which I think it not prudent or convenient to repeat.

        Upon what I said in relation to our Courts of Justice, his Majesty desired to be satisfied in several Points: And this I was the better able to do, having been formerly almost ruined by a long Suit in Chancery, which was decreed for me with Costs. He asked, what Time was usually spent in determining between Right and Wrong, and what Degree of Expence. Whether Advocates and Orators had Liberty to plead in Causes manifestly known to be unjust, vexatious, or oppressive. Whether Party in Religion or Politicks were observed to be of any Weight in the Scale of Justice. Whether those pleading Orators were Persons educated in the general Knowledge of Equity, or only in provincial, national, and other local Customs. Whether they or their Judges had any Part in penning those Laws which they assumed the Liberty of interpreting and glossing upon at their Pleasure. Whether they had ever at different Times pleaded for and against the same Cause, and cited Precedents to prove contrary Opinions. Whether they were a rich or a poor Corporation. Whether they received any pecuniary Reward for pleading or delivering their Opinions. And particularly whether they were ever admitted as Members in the lower Senate.

        He fell next upon the Management of our Treasury; and said, he thought my Memory had failed me, because I computed our Taxes at about five or six Millions a Year, and when I came to mention the Issues, he found they sometimes amounted to more than double; for the Notes he had taken were very particular in this Point, because he hoped, as he told me, that the Knowledge of our Conduct might be useful to him, and he could not be deceived in his Calculations. But, if what I told him were true, he was still at a Loss how a Kingdom could run out of its Estate like a private Person. He asked me, who were our Creditors; and where we should find Money to pay them. He wonder'd to hear me talk of such chargeable and extensive Wars; that certainly we must be a quarrelsome People, or live among very bad Neighbours, and that our Generals must needs be richer than our Kings. He asked what Business we had out of our own Islands, unless upon the Score of Trade or Treaty, or to defend the Coasts with our Fleet. Above all, he was amazed to hear me talk of a mercenary standing Army in the midst of Peace, and among a free People. He said, if we were governed by our own Consent in the Persons of our Representatives, he could not imagine of whom we were afraid, or against whom we were to fight; and would hear my Opinion, whether a private Man's House might not better be defended by himself, his Children, and Family, than by half a dozen rascals picked up at a venture in the Streets, for small Wages, who might get a hundred times more by cutting their Throats.

        He laughed at my odd Kind of Arithmetick (as he was pleased to call it) in reckoning the Numbers of our People by a Computation drawn from the several Sects among us in Religion and Politicks. He said, he knew no Reason, why those who entertain Opinions prejudicial to the Publick, should be obliged to change, or should not be obliged to conceal them. And as it was Tyranny in any Government to require the first, so it was Weakness not to enforce the second: For a Man may be allowed to keep poisons in his Closet, but not to vend them about for Cordials.

        He observed, that among the Diversions of our Nobility and Gentry, I had mentioned Gaming. He desired to know at what Age this Entertainment was usually taken up, and when it was laid down; how much of their Time it employed; whether it ever went so high as to affect their Fortunes: Whether mean vicious People, by their Dexterity in that Art, might not arrive at great Riches, and sometimes keep our very Nobles in Dependance, as well as habituate them to vile Companions, wholly take them from the Improvement of their Minds, and force them, by the Losses they have received, to learn and practice that infamous Dexterity upon others.

        [Previous century paragraph omitted;  the US 20th century was nowhere as near as bad as the 17th century in Britain]

        His Majesty in another Audience was at the Pains to recapitulate the Sum of all I had spoken, compared the Questions he made with the Answers I had given; then taking me into his Hands, and stroaking me gently, delivered himself in these Words, which I shall never forget nor the Manner he spoke them in: My little Friend Grildrig, you have made a most admirable Panegyric upon your Country: You have clearly proved that Ignorance, Idleness, and Vice may be sometimes the only Ingredients for qualifying a Legislator: That Laws are best explained, interpreted, and applied by those whose Interest and Abilities lie in perverting, confounding, and eluding them. I observe among you some Lines of an Institution, which in its Original might have been tolerable, but these half erazed, and the rest wholly blurred and blotted by Corruptions. It doth not appear from all you have said, how any one Virtue is required towards the Procurement of any one Station among you, much less that Men are ennobled on Account of their Virtue, that Priests are advanced for their Piety or Learning, Soldiers for their Conduct or Valour, Judges for their Integrity, Senators for the Love of their Country, or Counsellors for their Wisdom. As for yourself, (continued the King,) who have spent the greatest Part of your Life in Travelling, I am well disposed to hope you may hitherto have escaped many Vices of your Country. But by what I have gathered from your own Relation, and the Answers I have with much Pain wringed and extorted from you, I cannot but conclude the Bulk of your Natives to be the most pernicious Race of little odious Vermin that Nature ever suffered to crawl upon the Surface of the Earth.

    •  What will the WH do in retaliation? (none)
      Hmmm... I would suggest launching some attack on Syria! Didn't you hear that they killed somebody??
      Let's get the so-respected UN to pass some resolution and make them enforce it, suddenly... That should distract the people from Wilma.
    •  Too bad (none)
      there's no RSS feed for the site.

      But then again, once anything important goes up on it, news of Hurricane Fitz will be EVERYWHERE in no time flat! It will be cosmic.

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      by RevDeb on Fri Oct 21, 2005 at 02:30:04 PM PDT

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  •  Smooth Move, Father Fitzmas! (4.00)
    You realize that the documents stating his authority are the first entries?

    What a what to counter all the disinformation!

    www.ePluribusMedia.org

    by kfred on Fri Oct 21, 2005 at 10:29:05 AM PDT

    •  He's a genius! (4.00)
      I agree with everyone here - this cuts the smear meme right off at the knees.  You think I'm overzealous?  Here's my mandate.  You think I'm going off through the tulips instead of focusing on only one law?  Here's my mandate.  It's fantastic.  He's my hero!!

      "Man's capacity for justice makes democracy possible; but man's inclination to injustice makes democracy necessary." - Reinhold Niebuhr

      by Mahanoy on Fri Oct 21, 2005 at 10:54:12 AM PDT

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    •  Have we said "Fitzapalooza"!!? (4.00)
      Or, "Fitznami"?  
      Till the Wheels, Come Off, Baby!!
    •  Indeed, and (4.00)
      the most interesting is #2, that is the letter from Comey dated February 6, 2004.  IANAL, nor do I play one on the internets, but let's look at what it says, really closely, from the top, it reveals a lot.

      February 6, 2004

      Only a couple months in, Fitz had already responded to the initial mandate and was, in effect, making sure he had broad authority.  That is, he was looking at this from multiple points of view from very early on.

      Dear Patrick

      Fitzgerald and Comey are, as we know, quite close (on a first name basis, no false formality here), which helps explain why Comey put so much trust in him in.  One thing I wonder if we'll hear more about at some point:  how much of a persona non grata must Comey be these days among the Roveians?

      At your request, I am writing to clarify

      Again, Fitzgerald wanted to make damn sure he had broad authority to look into this, and the initial letter did not satisfy him.  He was making sure he could go ahead as he saw fit.

      my December 30, 2003, delegation to you of "all the authority of the Attorney General with respect to the Department's investigation into the alleged unauthorized disclosure of a CIA employee's identity" is plenary and includes the authority to investigate and prosecute violations of any federal criminal laws related to the underlying alleged unauthorized disclosure.

      Note to clueless reporters:  he writes any federal criminal laws not one specific statute, and, yes,

      as well as federal crimes committed in the course of, and with intent to interfere with, your investigation, such as perjury, obstruction of justice, destruction of evidence, and intimidation of witnesses.

      So was Fitzgerald already anticipating the possibility of such charges, or did he simply want to make sure that such avenues were open so that he could conduct his investigation without his hands tied?

      to conduct appeals arising out of the matter being investigated and/or prosecuted; and to pursue administrative remedies and civil sanctions (such as civil contempt) that are within the Attorney General's authority to impose or pursue

      So he had anticipated the possible need for civil contempt as well.

      Further, my conferral on you of the title of "Special Counsel" in this matter should not be misunderstood to suggest that your position and authorities are defined and limited by 28 CFR Part 600.

      Okay, I'm gonna need to defer to a real lawyer on this one, except that it is clear that it has to do with Fitz's making sure he wasn't limited even by the juridical definition of the "special counsel."

      In summary:  Fitzgerald sought and received full authority in this case.  As has been said here a number of times but needs to be repeated, he effectively is the Attorney General for all matters relating to this case.  Aschroft, the more astoundingly the more one thinks about it, recused himself, and Comey assigned all authority, and he makes quite clear it is all authority, to Fitzgerald.  Can it be taken away?  Of course, at the discretion of the Attorney General's office, which of course is in turn part of the administration.  But that would be the equivalent of a Saturday Night Massacre at this point.

      Okay, this comment took long enough to put together that prob'ly someone's made many of the same points already ...

      -- Stu

  •  Yeah Baby! (4.00)
    Outstanding.  Thanks for posting this.
  •  This is something to watch! (none)
    Thanks,

    I will be keeping an eye on this.

  •  I'm cautiously optimistic (4.00)
    But I think Fitz is getting prepared for the onslaught of media requests after he hands down indictments. Of course it could be a place to explain why none were handed down when the GJ expires next week. Sigh...I wish I knew...

    A Conservative government is an organized hypocrisy- Benjamin Disraeli

    by vcmvo2 on Fri Oct 21, 2005 at 10:30:37 AM PDT

    •  Rationale (4.00)
      In a criminal case, prosecutors have some very stringent ethical guidelines that the Bar sets for what they can and cannot say (ignore the crap that Jen Starr, OJ's prosecutors, MJ's prosecutors, and Kobe's prosecutors did).

      Fitz is just making public records easily available...to say what he cannot say in a press conference.

      I'd say, he just did the Spitzer, "Fuck you, choose your weapon" tactic to the defendants.

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      by Sharon Jumper on Fri Oct 21, 2005 at 10:33:51 AM PDT

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      •  Source (4.00)

        Spitzer can be a gracious host; perhaps it is his preferred mode. If attacked, he responds belligerently, especially if an attack aims, as Brown put it, at "his determination or his manhood." Once, in a heated argument with California's attorney general, Spitzer said, "You want to step outside? That's fine. I grew up in the Bronx." (He was raised in upscale Riverdale--technically in the Bronx.)

        "What choice did I have [in the Merrill case]?" Spitzer reflects. "Either I go home, or I say, `You think you can intimidate me? Screw you. Choose your weapon.' "

        New York Metro

    •  Standard Operating Procedure for the Feds (4.00)
      But his site is much better than those of most of his peers.
    •  Unlikely (3.50)
      A prosecutor can do one of two things with a grand jury investigation: he/she can ask the GJ to issue an indictment, or he/she can write a report about the investigation and why there is no indictment. There have been stories earlier this week that have said that Fitz-Claus does not plan to write a report.

      Ergo, he plans to ask for indictments. I'm no expert (though I have been watching another grand jury with great interest and this is what I learned) - it's either indictment or report. He can't do nothing.

      •  So what happens (none)
        if Fitzgerald asks for indictments and the GJ declines?  I know it's called 'no bill' but then what happens (knocking on every piece of wood within reach?)  Does Fitzgerald still issue a report, or is he not required to?  Just curious...
        •  Is Fitz Required to Issue a Report? (none)
          In the case of Fitz there are some questions whether he is required to submit a report to Congress. Where an "independent counsel" is required by law to submit a report, Fitz is a "special prosecutor" and if his investigation doesn't result in indictments, he can just close shop without issuing a report.

          In fact, issuing a report may violate DOJ regulations against revealing GJ proceedings. There is a debate among legal experts on this issue as some lawyers believe Fitz could issue a report, especially if requested by Congress; others think Justice Department regulations would prohibit that.

          Apparently, some Democrats in the Senate were worried this is what might happen and wrote a letter to Fitz seeking assurances that he will file such a report.

          Senate  Letter

          "The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all" The Other JFK

          by novelle on Fri Oct 21, 2005 at 02:48:28 PM PDT

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        •  No way (none)
          Those ladies no bill. If anything, Fitz will have to keep them from indicting the entire Administration!
      •  not exactly (none)
        He, along with the GJ, are investigating a possible illegality. If he feels he has enough evidence that looks like something illegal occured he will write up an indictment and ask the GJ to examine the facts and then vote to either issue a true bill on the indictment or not. Regardless of how the GJ votes the indictment is handed up to the judge. If a true bill was issued by the GJ then the case continues on to the courts for prosecution. If the GJ could not pass a true bill then that is the end of things. Fitz may, if he wishes, write a report if a true bill is not passed, but he is not required to do so. He can just pack his bags and head back to Chicago without ever making another statement on the affair.

        "I will return the highest standards of honor to the highest office in the land. This is my pledge." - George W. Bush, 2/2/2000

        by HipCitizen on Fri Oct 21, 2005 at 02:02:54 PM PDT

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    •  I'm with you... (none)
      ...about being cautiously optimistic.
      I seem to remember that when Clinton's indictments came down, they did it via paper and there was a big crush (pun not intended) for them. A website, depending on its server, as Kos will tell you, can multi-task better'n us non-silicone-based life forms; except, of course, for Jenna Jameson, that is. And not that Ms. Jameson is not capable of multi-tasking also,..., ...oh,...nevermind.

      "When the winds of change blow hard enough, the most trivial of things can become deadly projectiles." -- despair.com

      by Newton Snookers on Fri Oct 21, 2005 at 11:51:53 AM PDT

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      •  That I'm wrong... (4.00)
        ...about the Starr Report is certainly no bulletin to me. I am quite accustomed to being wrong, as my ex will happily tell anyone in amazingly detailed fashion.
        Dammit.
        OK, well---my statement about needing a mucho-beefy server stands, though.
        Dammit.

        "When the winds of change blow hard enough, the most trivial of things can become deadly projectiles." -- despair.com

        by Newton Snookers on Fri Oct 21, 2005 at 11:57:49 AM PDT

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    •  Comey and Fitzgerald's authority (4.00)
      I think the purpose of this website is two-fold.
      1. To eliminate the need for interacting with the media (which is part and parcel of the case, Russert, NYT, NBC, Time, etc.).
      2. Show Fitzgerald has ALL the authority of the Attorney General in this matter.

      From Comey's first press conference:
      Q: You mentioned that the -- you felt that Fitzgerald will have a broader -- actually a broader mandate, broader abilities than an outside counsel. Can you expand on that a little bit? In what respect will he have a --

      MR. COMEY: Yes. An outside counsel has a -- the regulations prescribe a number of ways in which they're very similar to a U.S. attorney. For example, they have to follow all Department of Justice policies regarding approvals. So that means if they want to subpoena a member of the media, if they want to grant immunity, if they want to subpoena a lawyer -- all the things that we as U.S. attorneys have to get approval for, an outside counsel has to come back to the Department of Justice. An outside counsel also only gets the jurisdiction that is assigned to him and no other. The regulations provide that if he or she wants to expand that jurisdiction, they have to come back to the attorney general and get permission.

      Fitzgerald has been told, as I said to you: Follow the facts; do the right thing. He can pursue it wherever he wants to pursue it.

      An outside counsel, according to the regulations, has to alert the attorney general to any significant event in the case; file what's called an "urgent report." And what that means is just as U.S. attorneys have to do that, he would have to tell the attorney general before he brought charges against anybody, before maybe a significant media event, things like that. Fitzgerald does not have to do that; he does not have to come back to me for anything. I mean, he can if he wants to, but I've told him, our instructions are: You have this authority; I've delegated to you all the approval authority that I as attorney general have. You can exercise it as you see fit.

      And a U.S. attorney or a normal outside counsel would have to go through the approval process to get permission to appeal something. Fitzgerald would not because of the broad grant of authority I've given him.

      So, in short, I have essentially given him -- not essentially -- I have given him all the approval authorities that rest -- that are inherent in the attorney general; something that does not happen with an outside special counsel.

      Q: I assume this is written down somewhere, and are we going to get a copy of it?

      MR. COMEY: I don't know whether you'll get a copy, but he will.

      Here are the documents confirming Fitzgerald's authority.

      December 30, 2003 Letter of Deputy Attorney General

      February 6, 2004 Letter of Deputy Attorney General

      August 12, 2005 Memorandum of Deputy Attorney General

      I don't know if the President will be able to fire him if the Executive branch is under investigation. The courts may now side with Fitz based on the authority granted him by Comey.

    •  I don't think (4.00)
      Fitz cares about the media much at all...  In fact- suprising that he'd even put this site up.

      Just remembering back to the George Ryan indictments, the Chicago media was really pissy about the process --- no leaks, no advance notice, etc.   Fitzgerald just called a news conference, handed out a 200 page document, made a statement, then answered virtually every question with some variation of "You'll find the answer in the indictment".

      It'll be interesting to see how Fitzmas plays out -- I suspect we'll get much of the same should we see indictments in TraitorGate.

      In a way - it seems like Fitzgerald's MO for the media ops portion of the investigation is tailor-made for the Rove wurlitzer.

      However - if indictments are handed down, you can bet that the document will be big and it will be meticulous.  You can also bet that Fitzgerald just won't play the media game.

      Will it be easier for the WH to smear a silent target?   Or will it be harder for them to play the game with someone that just refuses to "show up"?

      One thing's for sure -- Fitzgerald is not only the WH's worst nightmare, he's the media's worst nightmare, too -- a potentially explosive case with all the trappings of Watergate level scandal, but prosecuted by a guy who's largely ambivalent the "story" outside of the courtroom.

  •  Pass the popcorn (3.87)
    Fitzgerald/Spitzer 2008!

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    by Sharon Jumper on Fri Oct 21, 2005 at 10:31:02 AM PDT

    •  Conyers/Fitzgerald 08 (4.00)
       
    •  Spitz and Fitz! (4.00)
      How could you not win an election with a ticket name like that?
    •  Edwards/Clark 08 (none)
      Fitzgerald attorney general.

      Spitzer SEC.

    •  I thought Fitz was a republican. (none)
      You wan't the GOP to win the White House again?  

      -7.38, -5.90 "When I was an alien, cultures weren't opinions" - Kurt Cobain

      by Subterranean on Fri Oct 21, 2005 at 01:47:00 PM PDT

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      •  Fitzgerald is unaffiliated... (none)
        He used to put down "independent" on his voter stuff but found out there was a party of that name so now he puts down "unaffiliated" or something like that.  His rise to power, however, has been within GOP auspices, I believe...not sure where he was during the Clinton years.

        "We're all working for the Pharoah" - Richard Thompson

        by mayan on Fri Oct 21, 2005 at 02:08:34 PM PDT

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      •  I want an honest, decent human being in the (3.83)
        White House, this time, next time, every time. I don't care if they're from the Bull Moose Party. This is my country and I have to live in it.

        My first "0". I feel so.... unworthy. - JW -

        by John West on Fri Oct 21, 2005 at 03:14:28 PM PDT

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        •  I was thinking about this post (none)
          and I decided I wanted to clarify it further. Especially since we appear to be at some sort of tipping point, and I'd like to see us tip to a good place.

          I'm not a Democrat. I'm not any sort of political animal by the commonly understood definitions. I don't imagine most folks are political animals. We have enough ttrouble just being animals.

          But there is a group of real nasty folks in Washington DC these days, and what they stand for is very bad for my country. The only way I can see to get rid of them is to look at all of the political parties and lend my support to the one that makes the most sense to me. At this point, that's a no brainer. The Republicans in power are greedy and insane. I'm not.

          Of the other political parties that can be called that without laughing there is only the Democratic Party. Most everything it stands for fits pretty well with the way I look at things. That makes my decision to support it rather easy.

          But it needs to be understood that I don't support it simply because it is the Democratic Party, but because it represents most closely what it is that I believe. I'd like to be clear on a point here. I do not think of myself as an independent. I'm not sitting on the fence trying to decide which way to fall. I already know what I believe in. It doesn't change much. I believe in what makes sense to me. And that doesn't seem to change much either.

          So the goal for me is not just to find a political party that makes a lot of sense to me, but to make it make even more sense to me, not for me to nudge myself more into line with the party, but for me to nudge the party more into line with me.

          With that in mind, it makes sense that I will not, and cannot, agree with the party leaders on everything they decide to support or condemn this week in Congress, or even this election cycle. For instance, the biggest pork barrel highway funding bill ever voted on has come out of our congress with enormous Democratic support. This POS includes the quarter billion dollar "Bridge to Nowhere," in Alaska, at the very time when we need money to repair bridges in New Orleans.

          I cannot support it. I cannot support the people who supported it. This is my country. It has to be made to work. If not, more Americans will die.

          I support the Democratic Party because I am told that it stands for certain things I believe in. At the moment, I see it doing things that not only do I not believe in, but things it claims it does not believe in either. My job is to correct that situation, not to change myself.

          My first "0". I feel so.... unworthy. - JW -

          by John West on Fri Oct 21, 2005 at 09:10:17 PM PDT

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  •  Good for them (4.00)
    So now, public can get documents directly from his office instead of via media hackery.

    This way, the rightwing media won't be able to spin any documents that only select press members see it.

    YAY public transparency.

    •  Exactly. This is an amazingly progressive, (4.00)
      pro-open source media move on Fitz's part.  Wow.  Brilliant.  Brilliant.  Matthews, Russert all the MSM will get no scoops faster than than the blogs.  This is poetic.  This could be a death dagger in the heart of the RWCM.
      •  er, not THAT revolutionary (4.00)
        The Starr Report was issued as a PDF in 1997.  I remember because I'd just started a new job and spent most of a day trying to download it!  Servers obviously were heavily taxed.

        Bush is "oblivious, in denial, dangerous."

        by magic1 on Fri Oct 21, 2005 at 11:19:46 AM PDT

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    •  You got it (3.50)
      the comment from the spokesperson in the WaPo article:

      "It's really a long overdue effort to get something on the Internet to answer a lot of questions that we get . . . and to put up some of the documents that we have had ongoing and continued interest in having the public be able to access."  
  •  ...and there's this (4.00)
    "In the view of many Republicans, fatigue may be one factor affecting the once smooth-running White House. Chief of Staff Andrew H. Card Jr. . . . has been in his pressure-cooker job since Bush was inaugurated, longer than any chief of staff in decades. 'He looks totally burned out,' a Republican strategist said.

    Maybe Bush will get rid of everyone else and hire his family into all of his advisory positions. Bushes everywhere. The Bush Twins to head the Office of Special Partaying.

    "Mr. Bush's relationship to the environment is roughly that of a doctor to a patient--when the doctor's name is Kevorkian." Bob Herbert, NYT

    by jorndorff on Fri Oct 21, 2005 at 10:32:59 AM PDT

  •  Shouldn't the title be: (4.00)
    HolyCheneyPoop, Batman!! ;)

    Great diary entry and link. Thanks for the info.

    What's the clangor and the clamor? Throw BushCo in the slammer.

    by MissAnneThrope on Fri Oct 21, 2005 at 10:36:43 AM PDT

  •  How Novel! A public servant who acts like one (4.00)
    gee, how radical to allow people access to documents and information...as if we were citizens of a democracy who have a right to know where our tax dollars are spent, how our elected officials behave, or not...

    Fitzgerald is one of the few ppl with any clout in the country today that gives me any hope for this country.

  •  Scanned in 10/17/2005 (4.00)
    Interestingly all three documents appear to have been scanned in Oct. 17th, 2005 around lunchtime.

    Check the document properties on the pdf.

  •  Anyone who doubts, get thee to a nunnery (4.00)
    Fitza Claus is gonna be comin down yer chimney !!!

    (okay, Guckert, don't get weird on us...)

    Trials around Easter time: The Fitzer Bunny.

    I heard that Rove is getting a new tie for his mugshot.

    "Fitz, don't fail me now !!" ~~Mantan Moreland, bug-eyed actor in "King of the Zombies", 1941

    by seesdifferent on Fri Oct 21, 2005 at 10:42:21 AM PDT

  •  It's not as funny as Harriet Miers' Blog (none)

    Reality is just... a point of view - Philip K. Dick; Beautiful thing, the destruction of words. (from Orwell's 1984)

    by LionelEHutz on Fri Oct 21, 2005 at 10:44:44 AM PDT

  •  where do YOU think he's gonna be spending (4.00)
    the next year:

    Chicago Office:
         Dirksen Federal Building
         219 South Dearborn Street, Fifth Floor
         Chicago, Illinois  60604

         (312) 353-5300

    Washington Office:

         Bond Federal Building
         1400 New York Avenue, NW, Ninth Floor
         Washington D.C.  20530
         (202) 514-1187

         Please address all correspondence to the Washington Office

    doesn't sound like he's about to close up shop....

    "Fitz, don't fail me now !!" ~~Mantan Moreland, bug-eyed actor in "King of the Zombies", 1941

    by seesdifferent on Fri Oct 21, 2005 at 10:46:08 AM PDT

  •  And, true to time-honored gov. tradition, (4.00)
    it looks like shit...he's definitely not 'overzealous' about web design, either!

    "The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little."

    by vawolf on Fri Oct 21, 2005 at 10:46:21 AM PDT

    •  Yeah, well, a bad web design... (none)
      is preferrable to no web design at all (which was the status quo up until, like, right now...).
    •  K.I.S.S. (4.00)
      "Keep It Simple, Stupid."

      It's clean, functional, and probably easy to maintain.  I say that beats the hell out of all the oh-so-cool but useless Flash crap out there.

      Proud member of the reality-based minority

      by Bearpaw on Fri Oct 21, 2005 at 10:55:41 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Agreed (none)
        I looked at the HTML source for the page.  The page was written using DWT, which strongly suggests that they used FrontPage 2003 or DreamWeaver MX for the site.

        Also, the page references a style sheet, usdoj.css, so I gather that this page simply uses one of the layout formats established by the DOJ.

        I call this an appropriate use of technologies and an effective approach to web site maintenance.

        •  they've got more important things to do (none)
          than to gussy up the site
        •  Dreamweaver (none)
          it's a template. Probably the standard one for them, set up so that there's some consistency and you can't screw it up too bad, even with no design sense or skill.

          They have to meet accessibility standards, which means no junky, useless, crap, text stays text, etc.

          I'd probably do it differently, but they'll want to keep it REAL clean, less stress on the servers that way.

          •  Section 508 (none)
            of the ADA.  Yucky stuff for Web Developers.  Really limits what you can do with the site.

            Embrace diversity. Not everyone is intelligent.

            by FLDemJax on Fri Oct 21, 2005 at 03:11:38 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

            •  Yucky? (4.00)
              Not if you're reasonably competent.  There is very little design wise that can't be done and still meet sec. 508 guidelines, at worst you have to do something differently.  And on a government site (which along with agencies receiving federal funds are the the only ones required to meet the guidelines) there is almost nothing you'd need to do that you couldn't do and still meet them.

              Never mind that some of us actually care if disabled people can use the internet.  Letting the entire population access the same public resources is sorta important.  Web designers complaining about Sec. 508 is like a architects bashing the ADA cause you have to put a ramp up to one of the entrances.  

              •  You Are Correct (none)
                To a point.  There are things you cannot do and still meet section 508 guidelines, and those do impact creative design to some degree.  Not that it makes a difference since automated publishing systems restrict to the lowest required standards anyway, which are often (arcanely)arbitrary and silly.

                I shall hereby limit use of the term "yucky".

                Embrace diversity. Not everyone is intelligent.

                by FLDemJax on Fri Oct 21, 2005 at 04:47:56 PM PDT

                [ Parent ]

                •  The things you can't do (none)
                  Flash, mostly. Fancy javascript effects that impact using the site, if you don't have another, equally usable, way. Graphics that are content and don't have alt tags. Using color to indicate information. Forms that aren't set up semantically.

                  You can work around all of those, easily, and without much impact on design. CSS helps enormously.

                  If you ever get a chance, go to a workshop given by the National Federation for the Blind. Very eyeopening (pun intended).

              •  As far as I can see... (none)
                ...Section 508 also enforces good taste.

                I've been to too many websites for companies where the web designer was going berzerk with things like black-on-grey fonts and the like.  Rather like PowerPoint newbies when they find out they can Make! Images! Spin!  

      •  hear hear! (none)
        Gov websites should be pretty barebones, if you ask me. I kind of miss those old Angelfire pages actually ;)
  •  Problems reading the documents (none)
    anyone having problems accessing the pdfs?
  •  Fitzgerald (none)
    OMG omg Best Special Prosecutor EVER!!!
    •  Umm... I'll wait on that. (none)
      I will admit his professionalism, but I won't go that far until the indictments come down.
      •  Apparently (4.00)
        I left off my </miers> tags ...
      •  Well, you either trust him (none)
        or you don't.

        Not fair to say, "No indictments????, WTF??" if you're willing to accept indictments.

        I trust him.  I'm willing to accept no indictments.  I won't be thrilled, but I'll accept it.

        If Jesus Christ came back today and saw what was being done in his name, he'd never stop throwing up... - Hannah and Her Sisters

        by AlyoshaKaramazov on Fri Oct 21, 2005 at 11:36:25 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  As long as all the info gets out (none)
          it might not matter.

          You don't have to wind up in jail to be totally destroyed, discredited and disgraced.

          That might be as important with this bunch. If the wingnuts can say they've been railroaded, they will.  But if they're not charged, but all the info is released, and people come to the conclusion that they're guilty, they'll WISH they went to jail.

          Because that would set the right wing/neocons back yrs. Nobody would believe them ever again.

  •  Its probably a recipe blog. (none)
    ...or a family vacation picture site for friends and family.

    "And here we are riding the teacups!"

    Reigning Welterweight Female Piefighter since 1998

    by ablington on Fri Oct 21, 2005 at 10:53:11 AM PDT

  •  hehe (4.00)
    He's the Fitz that keeps on giving!
  •  Well it's not FITZMAS.com (4.00)
    Becuase that's already taken.  I tried to get it a few days ago and it's some parked family page.

    It would have been hilarious if his official website used that domain though.

    The people of New Orleans got left behind

    by diplomatic on Fri Oct 21, 2005 at 10:59:16 AM PDT

  •  Fitz (4.00)
    Before this whole TreasonGate thing happened, I had never heard of Fitz, but I'm quickly coming to the opinion that he's one of those people who's extremely good at fighting political and legal battles even if/when his side is short on resources.

    I'm not saying that that conclusion predicts anything particular about what he'll have to announce next week, such as how high up the food chain he might go.  Really.

    I do, however, have my cans of candy apple red spray paint at the ready for my celebratory, naked, painted dash down the middle of my street, if indictments are announced.  Just sayin'.

    •  Not spray paint! (none)
      lol, please no spray paint. That's hell to get  off.  Red food dye will do the trick.

      War is not an adventure. It is a disease. It is like typhus. - Antoine De Saint-Exupery

      by Margot on Fri Oct 21, 2005 at 11:29:21 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  but first light one of these!! (none)
      (we had this on the fourth of July)--incredibly awesome and perfect for Fitzmas:

      http://www.fireworks.com/fireworks_gallery/photo.asp?pid=470

      Listening is where love begins: listening to ourselves and then to our neighbors. Mister Rogers

      by station wagon on Fri Oct 21, 2005 at 12:21:52 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  Fitzgerald's previous life... (4.00)
      Was spent prosecuting terrorists. His prosecutions and investigations were one of the prime sources for our present-day knowledge of Al Queda.

      In fact, while i was investigating the Abu Ghraib/Guantanmo Bay torture scandals his name came up a bit. He, apparently, was one of the "old" (read: non-torture, effective) crowd who was replaced by the "new" (read: torture, ineffective) crowd post-WTC attacks.

      So this isn't his first run-in with these jackals. I would go so far as to speculate that he knows more than any of us just how nasty they are.

      The Shapeshifter's Blog -- Politics, Philosophy, and Madness!

      by Shapeshifter on Fri Oct 21, 2005 at 01:17:02 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Now here's what I would like to see..... (4.00)
    Let's see if Dick Cheney can wear that same s@#t eating grin in his mug shot as Tom Delay.  Anyone out there think he can pull that off??  EEEUUUUWWWW.  Creepy!
  •  OKAY if the trials are in DC (4.00)
    and DC juries are predominantly black, and Bush's approval rating among blacks is 0.02....

    it begins to make sense why the WH is suddenly full of Judases.

    Katrina, patron saint of our Democracy.

    "Fitz, don't fail me now !!" ~~Mantan Moreland, bug-eyed actor in "King of the Zombies", 1941

    by seesdifferent on Fri Oct 21, 2005 at 11:03:54 AM PDT

  •  whaaaaaaaaaa! How is a person supposed (3.88)
    to get any goddamned work done here! !!!!!!
    •  You're not. (3.83)
      Really, you're not. You're just supposed to refresh the page.

      I sure am glad I don't have any exams next week.

      Russ Feingold for President!

      by Basil on Fri Oct 21, 2005 at 11:07:22 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  are you on the student or the teacher (4.00)
        end of that deal?

        (I'm seriously considering giving my students a day off for Fitzmas--I'll stuff some URLs in their stockings!)

        •  I'm writing (none)
          my dissertation, and I have pretty regular email contact with my advisor, but instead of talking about my dissertation we keep talking about Fitzmas!  It's too late to change the topic of my dissertation now, unfortunately.  

          "Man's capacity for justice makes democracy possible; but man's inclination to injustice makes democracy necessary." - Reinhold Niebuhr

          by Mahanoy on Fri Oct 21, 2005 at 02:27:40 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  it's been pretty hard not to let (none)
            the starkravinglunaticradical in me hang out in my class (undergraduate)...it may be the first time my students have been confronted with such a spectacle. Hope I'm not scaring them.

            But they liked the Fitzmas carols, at least I think they did!;)

            (I sang them.)

            •  I wish I were still teaching (none)
              My students (seminary) would love singing the Fitzmas carols!  I have to sing them all to myself while I work at home alone.  It's not nearly as fun...

              "Man's capacity for justice makes democracy possible; but man's inclination to injustice makes democracy necessary." - Reinhold Niebuhr

              by Mahanoy on Fri Oct 21, 2005 at 03:16:28 PM PDT

              [ Parent ]

  •  My favorite passage (4.00)
    From the Judy Miller confinement brief:

    Upon finding Judith Miller in contempt for refusing to comply with a lawful order to
    provide evidence to a grand jury, this Court ordered that, pursuant to 18 U.S.C. § 1826, Miller
    should be confined until she agrees to comply with the Court's order. Miller now asks this
    Court to "reconsider" that order before being confined for even one minute, on the ground that
    confinement has no realistic possibility of coercing compliance with the Court's order. Miller
    argues that her refusal to obey the law is based on a "moral and principled stance" and
    "beliefs that go to the core of her being" which, she contends, are commonly shared
    journalistic principles. Motion at 7-8. Coming as it does before she has served any period 1
    of confinement, Miller's motion fails to carry her burden of establishing that the confinement
    provision of Section 1826 will be ineffective in achieving compliance with this Court's order.

    "Moral and principled stance" and
    "beliefs that go to the core of her being."

    Well, not so much.

    Remember: Both Bush and Bin Laden refer to their supporters as "the base."

    by makemefree on Fri Oct 21, 2005 at 11:07:06 AM PDT

    •  I loved this part (4.00)
      "has no realistic possibility of coercing compliance"

      And the court says "We'll just see about that. We'd like to call your bluff."

      Bluff called.

      I like to think of the Republican Party as an Iceberg--large, white, cold-hearted, not too swift, and can't change direction.

      by DyspepTex on Fri Oct 21, 2005 at 11:13:48 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  bluff called (4.00)
        Miller folded.
      •  Not just Miller's bluff (none)
        the New York Times's, too, as per their "Wewease Miwwer!" editorial:
      •  I would have loved to have been there (4.00)
        for the "gotcha" moment.

        My imagination.

        Prosecutor: Ms. Miller did you or did you not meet with Mr. Libby on June 23rd?

        JM: I don't recall that meeting.

        Prosecutor: Hmmm, interesting. So you don't recall a meeting with Mr. Libby on June 23rd in the year 2003?

        --at this point alarm bells should have been going off in her head because of the specific date, but no--

        JM: No sir, I do not.

        Prosecutor: I'd like to submit copies of this Secret Service log from June 23, 2003 to the jury.

        --JM squirms in seat--

        Prosecutor: Is this or is this not your signature?

        JM: It is.

        Prosecutor: So you still insist you

        --JM interrupts--

        JM: The 23rd! Oh, silly me, I thought you..um, yes, I may have met with Scooter that day.

        --a figure jumps up--

        Me: May have met with him? Liar! You are so BUSTED! Hahahahaha!

        --as guards drag me from court--

        Me: BUSTED! BUSTED! BUSTED! Hahahahaha! Indict Judith!

        Prosecutor: Who the hell was that?

        If you can't tell, I just love "gotcha" moments. I guess I watched entirely too much TV court scenes in my younger days.

        "As you get older, you get less willing to buy the latest version of reality." Leonard Cohen

        by mentaldebris on Fri Oct 21, 2005 at 01:08:25 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  Could Wilson Subpeona Fitz's Records? (none)
    I just in case Fitz doesn't come through (or even if he does) would Wilson be able to discover all of the testimony Fitz got in a civil case?  Anyone know how this would work?
  •  fitzgerald (3.75)
    writes extremely well. a lot better than dear Harriet. It's important that early on he has made this a broader investigation than the original brief. He makes that very clear. Wonder why they posted the Miller/Cooper/Russert memos first?
  •  This site says a lot. (4.00)
    #1:  No one who is closing up shop in a week would launch a website.  Obviously, Fitzgerald expects to be doing a lot of work after next week.

    #2:  As we bloggers have discovered, a great way to get the attention of the Media is to put information and sources in their faces.  If the Media know where to go to get info to counter the right wing spin, it is less likely that the Republican attack machine will be effective.

    #3:  If you look at the documents on the site, he makes specific reference to his mandate, so Fitzgerald is underscoring that anyone he identifies as divulging or conspiring to divulge classified information is fair game for an indictment.  (That means you too Karl!!!)

    #4:  I reviewed the entire decision of the US Court of Appeals for the DC Circuit which struck down the law suit filed by Judy Miller and Matt Cooper claiming a right of privilege and first amendment protection as a bar to testifying before the Grand Jury.  It is clear from the opinion that the judges concluded that the crime committed and national security implications were serious enough to warrant a rejection of Miller/Cooper's argument.  

    In other words, whomever Fitzgerald charges will have the backing of the courts.  I also note that one of the judges who decided in favor of Fitzgerald and wrote a concurring opinion was none other than Judge David Sentelle, the right wing nut who conspired with former Senator Lauch Faircloth of North Carolina to get Ken Starr appointed as Special Counsel in the Whitewater/Paula Jones cases.  

    •  Good points - he is laying out his authority to (none)
      proceed with legal activities. I don't think he indicating he is finished. It also comes at the beginning of the Republicans starting to smear the process and the need for a process.
  •  Spinnin' and Spittin' (none)
    I'm spinning like a top and spitting like a fountain so that we don't jinx it!

    The world owes you nothing. It was here first. -- Mark Twain

    by mythmother on Fri Oct 21, 2005 at 11:12:23 AM PDT

  •  OK, I Am Getting My Popcorn (none)

    ready and my pre-recorded "Happy Days Are Here Again" CD because I plan to be

    PAAAARRRTTTTYYYYING Soon!

    Merry Fitzmas everyone!

    (Dang, I'm sure taking this Fitz website as a sign of good news)

  •  BUSHCO (4.00)

    Well-behaved women seldom make history - Laurel Thatcher Ulrich

    by jaysea on Fri Oct 21, 2005 at 11:14:11 AM PDT

  •  Another turn of the screw (4.00)
    On those Fitz has targeted for "flipping."

    Oh when the frogs. . Come marching in. . Oh when the FROGS COME MARCH-ING IN!

    by pontificator on Fri Oct 21, 2005 at 11:14:16 AM PDT

  •  must be a lotta indictments comin' down (4.00)
    almost fitzmas

  •  He doesn't trust the print media (4.00)

    and the indictments will show why. He's a genius.
  •  Damn (4.00)
    Where can I get a job with the Special Counsel's office ;)
  •  Wow................................ (none)

    "He that sees but does not bear witness, be accursed" Book of Jubilees

    by Lying eyes on Fri Oct 21, 2005 at 11:32:16 AM PDT

  •  Don't phone 'em, but ... (4.00)
    According to the article:
    "Incidentally, if you call the number the new Web site lists for Fitzgerald's D.C. office, the phone is somewhat mysteriously answered 'counterespionage section.'

    "But as Samborn explained to me, that's because the special prosecutor is borrowing space in the Justice Department's Bond Building from the counterespionage section."

    Uh huh.

    •  Counterespionage section (4.00)
      Now that just about says it all, doesn't it?  Yea, right, just "borrowing space."  Call it whatever you will, but guard those doors at night will ya?   And just pay no nevermind to those bomb threats -- just a little noise to divert eyes.  And please, save America.
    •  solving the phone mystery (4.00)
      (20+ years' experience in telecoms speaking here)

      Here's how to tell if the phone being answered "Counter-espionage section" is meaningful, or if it's a coincidence having to do with shared office space.   Note all phone numbers shown below are fictitious examples used for illustration.  And please do not try playing phone-sleuth and dialing up his number to check, or scanning phone numbers in the DID block, you could get busted for hacking and in any case it's rude as hell.  

      First, I didn't see a DC phone number on Fitz' web page.  However, his Chicago number is listed.  So we'll start by looking at the Chicago number as an example of what we might find regarding the DC number.

      Note that the Chicago number ends in -5300.  Phone numbers ending in two or more zeros are usually an indication of Direct Inward Dialing (DID).  For example, -5300 is the lead number in a DID block that goes -5300 through -5399.  This provides 100 separate dialable telephone numbers that go directly to the desk of individuals in that office, for example -5301, -5302, etc. through -5398 and -5399.  

      The lead number -5300 goes to the Receptionist's console, and/or to the main menu in the voicemail system, e.g. "You have reached the office of Prosecutor Patrick J. Fitzgerald.  If you know your party's extension please dial it now, or press 0 or stay on the line for a Receptionist."

      Each DID number can also be an extension on a PBX (private branch exchange, i.e. commercial phone system).  For example, DID number -5300 could be mapped to PBX extension 5300 or to PBX extension 300, depending on whether they're using a 3- or 4-digit extension numbering plan.  When inside the office, you pick up the phone and dial your colleagues' extension numbers, not their entire 7-digit numbers; and you dial 9 for an outside call.  Though, in very large systems, you might have an entire prefix (or more) dedicated to the purpose, e.g. 555-1000 through 555-9999, and in that case you'd dial the last five digits for extensions, e.g. 5-1000, 5-1001, etc.  

      How this applies to his DC office:

      If the number he has given out ends in two or more zeroes, for example 555-2300, this would be an indication that it is the main switchboard at the building or department or section in which his DC office is located.  In that case, "Counter-espionage" could be a coincidence; the Receptionist is answering for a much larger group of telephone numbers.

      If the number he has given out ends in two or more zeroes and you don't see it listed previously (as in, a few years ago, before he got started) for the Counter-espionage office, then it is possible but by no means certain that this office was set up entirely by him for this purpose.  

      If the number he has given out ends in something other than two zeroes, for example 555-2368, then it is an individual DID number within a larger block, such as 555-2300 through -2399, or bigger still, 555-2000 through 555-9999.   In that case, if he has a secretary answering his line, the secretary should be answering with something like "Prosecutor Fitzgerald's office."  

      In the above case, e.g. 555-2368 scenario, if a secretary answers "Counter-Espionage..." then it would appear more likely that this is actually his mission.  However, it is also possible that this could occur if the secretary is part of a secretarial or reception pool, and the name that appears on his/her screen when answering -2368 says "Counter-Espionage" only because the techs haven't gotten around to changing it yet.  In that case the receptionist is answering with the listed name, and we're back to coincidence level here.  

      If a voicemail system's menu answers 555-2368 with "Counter-espionage," then there are two possibilities.  One, it's for real.  Two, as per above paragraph, it's an out of date greeting and the techs haven't gotten around to changing it yet.  

      So with the -2368 scenario, we have the possibility that it's real, or the possibility that the geeks haven't updated the status of the phone number in their PBX & voicemail database.  

      For this reason, the way to tell what's going on is to just wait a week or so and call back.   If the phone number does not end in two or more zeroes, and if you still get answered (by receptionist or voicemail menu) with "Counter-espionage," then it is highly likely that this is not due to a coincidence or a technician who's behind schedule.  

      But if his calls are being answered by a general switchboard, the fact that he's arranged for office space in a building where the phone is being answered that way, could well be part of the strategy to get various perps and accessories to fess up.  If you were Karl Rove or Karl's lawyer, completely ignorant of technical issues about phone systems, and you dialed that number and got answered "Counter-Espionage," you might just have a Kaopectate Moment and think seriously about singing.  

      As I said above, do not try playing phone-sleuth.  However, if you are a professional journalist and you have legitimate reason to call that number, just observe carefully what you hear when the phone is answered, and if in a week they're still answering "Counter-Espionage," then it might be legit to ask the receptionist if it's a shared phone or why it's being answered that way.  

      In the meantime, we can all hope and pray that "Counter-espionage" is more than a coincidence or an out-of-date name in the database!

  •  A new carol for the festive occasion (4.00)
    Rove better watch out
    Libby's startin to cry
    Cheney's in a big pout
    I'm tellin you why
    Fitzmas Claus is stayin' in town.

    He sees you when you're lyin
    He knows all when you leak
    He knows if you're an obstructor
    So resign for Bush's sake

    Rove better watch out
    Libby's startin to cry
    Cheney's in a big pout
    I'm tellin you why
    Fitzmas Claus is stayin' in town.

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    by Sharon Jumper on Fri Oct 21, 2005 at 11:34:37 AM PDT

  •  Ready... (4.00)
    get set...(cursor locked in on refresh button)...go!!!
  •  I've tagged that site in Flock (4.00)
    as the "Republican Agenda" website.

    I hope we can google-bomb it so that when somebody types in "Republican Party" or GOP, they get Fitzgerald's website!

    "It's better to realize you're a swan than to live life as a disgruntled duck."

    by Mumon on Fri Oct 21, 2005 at 11:43:58 AM PDT

  •  Where do I find.. (none)
    ...my Impeach Bush stickers?
  •  That US Department of Justice (4.00)
    logo looks like it could be the graphics from a really bad TV show that would be on Spike TV in the middle of the night.

    Hopefully Fitzgerald's new website will be filled with interesting things in the weeks to come.

    NY Times? At least the New York Post walks openly on the street corner in fishnets instead of pretending its something its not.

    by LeftHandedMan on Fri Oct 21, 2005 at 11:52:24 AM PDT

  •  Great move by the special counsel - It is a classy (4.00)
    way to defend the fine work he and his team are doing. Give them the facts!!!
  •  Darn, was hoping for an Easter Egg (4.00)
    and found what I fully expected (on the subject of facts within this case which helped to overcome any notion of press privilege):

    Judge Tatel's opinion described in detail the facts that led him to conclude that the privilege had been overcome. Because that portion of his opinion refers to classified grand jury information from the ex parte submissions, it is redacted from the court's published opinion. It is our understanding that the redacted portion of Judge Tatel's opinion is available to this Court from the Deputy Marshal, through the Department of Justice Litigation Security Section Security Specialist.

    Yeah, futile to even have considered looking for some info on those "facts", I know, I know . . .

  •  Here's a good spin (4.00)
    From Freeperland, a story by RNC hack Cliff Kincaid:
    former prosecutor Joseph E. diGenova says the real story is that the CIA "launched a covert operation" against the President when it sent Wilson on the mission to Africa to investigate the Iraq-uranium link. DiGenova, a former Independent Counsel who prosecuted several high-profile cases and has extensive experience on Capitol Hill, including as counsel to several Senate committees, is optimistic that Special Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald will figure it all out.

    diGenova needs to lay off the magic mushrooms.

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    by Sharon Jumper on Fri Oct 21, 2005 at 11:58:28 AM PDT

  •  hope his servers are up to par (none)
    because there's a good chance those servers are going to crash when the indictments are posted.
  •  my favorite quote from the article (4.00)
    Incidentally, if you call the number the new Web site lists for Fitzgerald's D.C. office, the phone is somewhat mysteriously answered "counterespionage section."

    Give me Liberty or give me death!

    by guyermo on Fri Oct 21, 2005 at 12:05:24 PM PDT

  •  He's ready to hand out indictments (none)
    1. He would need a court order to issue a report.
    2. Ron Earl released hin indictments against delay the same way.

    Fitzmas is just around the corner.

    "We must all hang together or assuredly we will all hang seperately." - Ben Franklin

    by RandyMI on Fri Oct 21, 2005 at 12:05:40 PM PDT

  •  i'm of the left, but please... (3.60)
    no more stupid Father Fitzmas, Fitzmastime, Fitzapolooza.

    the fix is not in yet and this kind of stupid punning and crowing over what MAY go down is way too premature. has history taught you Fitzmas freaks nothing? bush, rove, cheney, etc, none of them are done for UNTIL we see them being marched out of the White House. anything else is just counting your chickens fantasy.

    be patient and lay off the dire neologisms

    •  Bah HUMBUG yourself (4.00)
      Premature?

      The investigation has been on-going for 22 months, and there is ONE WEEK left.  How is excited anticipation premature, unless you're of the Wham-bam-thank-you-ma'am variety?

      If I'm driving along the road, see caution signs ahead or a yellow light, generally I sit up, take notice, and pay attention.  Usually means something "important" is coming up.

      Relax, and let us speculate "prematurely" if we want.

      •  you idiot (1.33)
        the investigation has lasted 22 months, waiting another week for the FACTS rather than mindless speculating and hero worship of fitzgerald, who could let everyone down with timid indictments, is not HUMBUG.

        by the same logic, you'd have christmas on the 18th december and open your birthday presents a month early.

        i suggest you don't mention HUMBUG to me, you fucking idiot. it would be fitting if you died before fitzgerald announces the results, it would teach you the value of patience and bring a little joy into the world.

        •  A 'nicely' worded reply, and so terribly (4.00)
          adult of you.

          For your information (not that you care), but I do begin my Christmas celebrations BEFORE the actual day arrives.  So, got another intelligent reply for that?

          I'm sure you do, but don't bother.

          You have an enjoyable week as well - after that, well...

          •  gotta stick up for Terre on this one... (4.00)
            ...note to Kingfelix - calling Terre a "fucking idiot" and cutely calling for his death was crude and out of the park - especially from someone advocating moderation.  Grow up.

            Simplify, simplify, simplify. --Thoreau

            by Io on Fri Oct 21, 2005 at 06:45:20 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

        •  There are better ways to disagree (4.00)
          Then "idiot", "fucking idiot" and "it would be fitting if you died".

          And after using those terms to speak of "the value of patience and bring a little joy into the world." is way out of place,

          While your initial point has validity...we don't KNOW what the investigation will bring... one needn't be a "fucking idiot" to feel high anticipation and use a term as Fitzmas if they wish to.

          We might look forward to Christmas and end up with a lump of coal or socks instead of a bike. But in the time before a "special day" when we know something is there to be unwrapped...we might be filled with anticipation. But it stilll isn't true it would be it would be fitting if we died before Santa brings us the gifts in order to learn "the value of patience and bring a little joy into the world."

    •  Agreed. (none)
      If there are no indictments, then we'll be denigrating Fitz in  NY minute. We should have learned by now.

      "conservatives are the worshipers of dead radicals".

      by gandalf on Fri Oct 21, 2005 at 01:50:39 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  not only that (4.00)
      but I think it's unbecoming of the seriousness of what's going on. I think it's pretty ugly and is more worthy of DU or a Yahoo group.
    •  Yep (none)
      Will we be satisfied with just Libby and Rove and no further? And what if W does what his daddy did and pardon them before trial?
  •  Authority to prosecute broad set of crimes (4.00)
    is clear! Victoria Toensing please read the facts:

    February 6th, 2004

    "Dear Patrick,
    At your request , I am writing to clarify my December 30, 2003, delegation to you of "all the authority of the Attorney General with respect to the Department's investigation into the alleged unauthorized disclosure of a CIA employee's identity" in plenary and includes the authority to investigate and prosecute violations of any federal criminal laws committed in the of, and with the intent to interfere with , your investigation, such as perjury, obstructing of justice, destruction of evidence, and intimidation of witnesses; to conduct appeals arising out of the matter being investigated and/or prosecuted; and to pursue administrative remedies and civil sanctions (such as civil contempt) that are with the Attorney Generals authority.
    Sincerely
    James B. Comey, Acting Attorney General"

    "Bin Laden determined to strike in US"- Presidential Daily Briefing - August 6, 2001

    by What were you thinking on Fri Oct 21, 2005 at 12:25:12 PM PDT

  •  Fitzmas Wear on cafepress (4.00)
    I guess it had to happen.  Fitzmas is getting commercialized:
    http://www.cafepress.com/fitzmas
  •  Maybe this means... (none)
    ...it's Fitzmas Eve!

    Up on the rooftop, click, click, click,
    Down through the chimney with old St. Fitz.

    When Jesus said, "Love your enemies," he probably meant don't kill them.

    by porktacos on Fri Oct 21, 2005 at 12:30:06 PM PDT

  •  ThreeThings becoming clearer (3.83)
    1.  It's not nice to fool Mother Nature
    2.  It's not wise to fuck with this SP
    and,
    3.  There will be some tightly puckered sphincters in DC this weekend
  •  This Fitzgerald guy is just (4.00)
    shamelessly setting himself up to be my absolute friggin hero.

    It's too late, my hopes are up.

    A few observations: On the site, the fact that he has posted a Feb. 6, 2004, follow-up confirming that his mandate "includes the authority to investigate and prosecute violations of any federal laws related to the underlying alleged unauthorized disclosure, as well as federal crimes committed in the course of, and with intent to interfere with, your investigation."

    suggests that he's going after several crimes in several places and that he asked then AG Comey if it was cool to expand his investigation. to which the answer was, "right on"

    Whether he's expanded it all the way into who forged the Niger Docs, is doubtful. But that he did get the go ahead to investigate conspiracy and obstruction on top of the espionage crimes so long ago suggests that his case was already pretty solid last February.

  •  Call to show support! (4.00)
    I called both offices to show my support and both the women who answered the phones were pleasant, friendly, and appreciative. I passed on the URLs of Daily Kos, Think Progress, Media Matters, and Raw Story. Here's the info from the website:

    Chicago Office:
         Dirksen Federal Building
         219 South Dearborn Street, Fifth Floor
         Chicago, Illinois  60604
         (312) 353-5300

    Washington Office:
         Bond Federal Building
         1400 New York Avenue, NW, Ninth Floor
         Washington D.C.  20530
         (202) 514-1187

    And to add, when I said that I was sure that Mr. Fitzgerald would be bringing indictments, one respond "that's right" and the other said "yes." This is not me saying I got a confirmation there will be indictments from the DOJ or Fitzgerald's office. For all I know they were just ackowledging what I was saying, but they did seem to have a "positive attitude."

    "Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe." - Albert Einstein

    by A Patriot on Fri Oct 21, 2005 at 12:31:36 PM PDT

    •  Don't call (4.00)
      It's a prosecution, not a political campaign. Encouragement has nothing to do with it - he's expected to bring indictments based on evidence.

      Every second spent fielding a "you're doing a great job call" is less time for handling the facts of the case and legitimate requests. Write and call the media and point out misstatements. Writing or calling Fitzgerald is a waste of time and counterproductive.

      •  I understand the implications (none)
        But the response was different than I expected. Remember, this guy's crew has been as tight as a drum in the leak department. My personal belief is that they've put up this web site for a couple of reasons.

        • They are getting ready to announce indictments, maybe even in the Republican, BushCo fashion of 11:59 PM tonight, and want transparency so as to help fend of the disinformation and smear campaign that is coming.

        • Maybe Fitz and his gang wants to get a read on what the public thinks and feels. I'm sure he's aware of the blogs and this may be a way to gauge support. I wouldn't underestimate this guy.

        Do you really think that they would hand out their phone number on a high profile site, knowing it was going to be splashed all over the web, without expecting they would be getting calls? Also, do you think they AREN'T going to be getting calls from people who don't like what he's doing? I talked with both women and they were appreciative and conversed with me, but did set the boundary on time. With all due respect, a phone call to say "Thank You" is not that big a deal and I'm sure if it becomes one, they'll let us know.

        "Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe." - Albert Einstein

        by A Patriot on Fri Oct 21, 2005 at 05:27:31 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

    •  One word of advice (none)
      It's great news, but always be very careful about asking something like that before an announcement. Because they honestly don't know who you are and that can easily spook them. Had I been on the other end of the phone, I would have said "that's for the GJ to decide".

      "We must all hang together or assuredly we will all hang seperately." - Ben Franklin

      by RandyMI on Fri Oct 21, 2005 at 12:48:09 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  I appreciate the concern. (none)
        Trust me, I am the last person who would want to see this investigation sabotaged. Everybody seems to forget who we are dealing with. This is THE Patrick Fitzgerald who, by all accounts, is number one at his game. You think that he would hand out the phone number without expecting he would be getting calls? Also, they, I sure, will be getting calls from people aren't appreciative. A short phone call to say "Thank You" would probably be appreciated and everyone should use his or her own discretion.

        "Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe." - Albert Einstein

        by A Patriot on Fri Oct 21, 2005 at 06:01:21 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  I think it very likely that... (4.00)
    Fitz is playing the anti-Starr.  Starr could never wait to get his face in front of a camera.  I think Fitz is intent on remaining somewhat anonymous through this.  Oh, sure, we'll see him coming and going, but whenever he has something of substance, I expect he'll say, "we've posted it on our website.  Let's leave the arguments inside the courtroom."

    This, my friends, is called professionalism.  My God, I'd almost forgotten what it looked like.

    Certainty generally is illusion, and repose is not the destiny of man. - OWH

    by blockbuster on Fri Oct 21, 2005 at 12:40:15 PM PDT

  •  If I were Fitz and I decided not to indict... (4.00)
    I would also expect a media and blogosphere storm of reaction, so I would definitely put up these documents and all other relevant documents.
    I don't think there's any sound basis for inferring from the establishment of this website that he is going to indict.
    •  naw, he is inditing and this is his way of (none)
      countering the mud slimes of the rethugs.
    •  Indictments are on the way. . .but (none)
      everyone ought to remember that "Father Fitzmas"  is a Repug appointment as US Attorney in Chicago, and a Repug appointment as Special Prosecutor.  An Amherst and Harvard grad, he is hardly one of the great unwashed (us).  We are just lucky that he seems to be an honest guy.

      So what does the website mean?  Prosecutors hate reporters.  They get in their way, ask stupid questions, second guess them, screw up remaining evidence,  etc., etc.  So Fitz is characteristically putting some distance between himself and the 4th Estate.

      But he wouldn't have spent government bucks, put up a website, with directions to direct all correspondence to Washington and have his flack go out of his way to say announcements would be coming out of Washington if it weren't coming down.

      Prediction: It's 4:50 here in the East, if nothing today, Fitzmas is Wednesday October 26, after the stock market closes.

      What rough beast, its hour come round at last/Slouches toward Bethlehem waiting to be born?

      by cova1 on Fri Oct 21, 2005 at 01:52:48 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  Au contraire ... (none)

      ... this, for my money, is the most telling part of the entire website:  addresses and phone numbers for his home office in Chicago and his office in DC are both posted, but there is this notation underneath:

      Please address all correspondence to the Washington Office

      He ain't leavin' town anytime soon.

    •  yeah but (none)
      it says "please direct all correspondence to the DC office." The GJ term ends 10/28, and he lives in Chicago, not DC. That still doesn't prove anything but I can't imagine now that we're not going to see a dogfight in court.
  •  fitz knows the blogs are covering it and (4.00)
    he is also more media savy than the rethugs think.
  •  Access Provides Transparency (4.00)
    I like transparency.  Those administration officials who thrive on secrecy, division, spin, and fear do not like transparency.

    And the White House hates it when the media and citizens have access to documents.

    Nicely done, Attorney Fitzgerald!

    It's really a long overdue effort to get something on the Internet to answer a lot of questions that we get . . . to put up some of the documents that we have had ongoing and continued interest in having the public be able to access.
  •  Saint Patrick the germ killer (none)
    As another Kossack said so well, and Im paraphrasing  badly, there's nothing  quite like light and sunshine when shone in dark places to eliminate germs and bacteria.
  •  Devil Is In the Details (none)
    The Devil Is In the Details

    See, Fitzy made sure to get it in writing. Not all of us would have done that.

    The Honorable Patrick J. Fitzgerald
    United States Attorney
    Northern District of Illinois
    219 South Dearborn Street
    Chicago, Illinois 60604

    Dear Patrick:

    At your request, I am writing to clarify that my December 30, 2003, delegation to you of "all the authority of the Attorney General with respect to the Department's investigation into the unauthorized disclosure of a CIA employee's identity" is plenary and includes the authority to investigate and prosecute violations of any federal criminal laws related to the underlying alleged unauthorized disclosure
    ...

    •  He does cover his bases ... (none)
      In his questioning of Judy Miller, Fitzgerald asked her if her notation about Wilson's wife that said "Wife works at bureau?" in her notebook meant the FBI. Fitzgerald probably suspected that Libby had told Miller that the information he was sharing about Plame had come from the "bureau", meaning the Bureau of Intelligence and Research (INR) at the State Department, and that resulted in Miller's note to herself. At any rate, Fitzgerald got her to say that it wasn't the FBI she was referring to in her notes. That prevents Miller from making that claim later, when she testifies in the trial of Libby. Clever guy, this Fitzgerald!  
  •  Did anyone notice thison the site? (none)
    "Please address all correspondence to the Washington Office"  

    "We must all hang together or assuredly we will all hang seperately." - Ben Franklin

    by RandyMI on Fri Oct 21, 2005 at 01:17:20 PM PDT

  •  Kristol (none)
    is sounding pretty desperate these days. Not time to diary this but he doesn't appear to be aware of Fitz's website, and is calling for: NO INDICTMENTS at all!!! Maybe he and O'Reilly can retire together next week.

    link:http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/006/239rebkj.asp

  •  this seems to be the best evidence yet (none)
    that there will be indictments.

    I was starting to worry that the whole thing might fizzle, but, as Froomkin notes, why would you set up a new website if the Special Prosecutor Office was going to shut down in a couple of weeks?

    The range of pssible indictments is so broad, and the information available so unverifiable and/or coming from possible defendants, I have to finally make myself just wait it out and stop speculating based on this or that bit of evidence -- that can be fun, but ultimately isn't it sort of a waste of time?

  •  It must gall the NY Times (none)
    that Fitzgerald isn't making them the hand on (t)his car's wheel. Although this wasn't the only reason he went online, I'm sure it was the one that gave him the greatest pleasure.
  •  Facts are the damndest things (none)
    Aren't they?

    After they're found guilty, put bags over their heads, rendition `em to Gitmo, and shackle them, naked, to the floor.

    by Bob Johnson on Fri Oct 21, 2005 at 01:29:43 PM PDT

  •  I love the way (none)
    on the website, "JUSTICE" is in amuch larger font than "Unitied States".

    Yessss!!!!

  •  I read this column this morning and (none)
    immediatly added it to my favorites.  Now I have ANOTHER website to obsessively refresh.  

    Its not easy being a Floridian.

    by lawstudent922 on Fri Oct 21, 2005 at 01:41:55 PM PDT

  •  Caveat Emperor (none)
    Of course...

    BUT...4:48PM EDT, 10/21/05...

    Not a WORD on Google News freont page. Delay is one of about 35...no Fitrzmas publicity yet.

    NY Times front page...the silence of the good grey grave.

    I mean...it's not as if they don't KNOW about what's happening.

    The silence of (and for) the lambs

    They have taken the Ratpub/PermGov vow of silence.

    Makes Omerta or reporters' confidentiality privileges look like the secrets of third graders.

    Until specifically released from this silence by their corporate owners...not a word.

    Bet on it.

    Spook rules.

    You tell...you pay.

    Charles

  •  I'm just looking forward to... (4.00)

    ...Fitz updating his web site with an "about me" section, complete with "favorite color" (my money's on blue), "favorite food" (something's telling me pizza!) and "pet peeves" (perhaps rainy days, rude people, and White House staffers who in a gross abuse of power attempt to discredit a man who had done a service to his country, and thus endanger lives and damage national security).

    "Snuff the leader with the badass plan / take what you want from the palm of his hand." - Archers of Loaf

    by turnover on Fri Oct 21, 2005 at 01:57:36 PM PDT

  •  Indictments (none)
    I notice from Fitz's appellate brief that there are special DOJ guidelines to subpoena reporters.  One of them is: "reasonable grounds to believe a crime has been committed...."  

    And what are the grounds for issuing an indictment?  Reasonable grounds to conclude a crime has been committed.

    Did you really expect good governance from those who scorn government?

    by Job52 on Fri Oct 21, 2005 at 02:04:50 PM PDT

  •  I just had a look at the site and (none)
    one thing struck me as odd.  The two letters from Comey to Fitz in 2003 authorize the investigation and then clarify its limits.  These look like official documents, yet Comey addresses him as "Dear Patrick" at the beginning of both.  It seemed strange to me that he used the first name in such an official letter, which really turns out to be a legal document, even if they know each other well.  This looks really unprofessional to me.  I feel virtually certain that if I was in Comey's position, and even if Fitz was an old law school buddy, I would have started that letter with "Dear Mr. Fitzgerald."  This likely indicates nothing, but it bugged me.

    So I see only tatters of clearness through a pervading obscurity - Annie Dillard

    by illinifan17 on Fri Oct 21, 2005 at 02:05:10 PM PDT

  •  This is a slap to the media (none)
    Fitzgerald is going to make reporters do something they haven't done in far too long... their homework.

    Smooth...

    Canadians care too...

    by jbalazs on Fri Oct 21, 2005 at 03:34:57 PM PDT

  •  Refresh, Refresh, Refresh (none)
    OMG! Not another site to bookmark and refresh again, and again, and again . . .

    Is there some freeware out there which will alert when a website is updated?

    Merry Fitxmas!

  •  Ray McGovern of VIPS (none)
    http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/27128/

    Did anyone on dKos read Ray McGovern's piece on Fitzgerald (link above)?  He warns that Bush could fire Fitzgerald at any time (as Nixon fired Cox).  

    The article is worth reading to get a sense of what the outcomes might be.  

    No wonder Fitzgerald has been playing it so close to the vest ... why tip his hand now?  

    May all beings be free from fear.

    by shakti on Fri Oct 21, 2005 at 06:56:01 PM PDT

  •  Dean: No Indictments Unless They Were So Stupid (none)
    John Dean's prediction on indictments is posted on FindLaw.

    http://writ.news.findlaw.com/dean/20051021.html

    Here ar the last two paragraphs. Note the very last sentence. Wonder why he threw that disqualifier in.

    In short, I cannot imagine any of them being indicted, unless they were acting for reasons other than national security. Because national security is such a gray area of the law, come next week, I can see this entire investigation coming to a remarkable anti-climax, as Fitzgerald closes down his Washington Office and returns to Chicago.

    In short, I think the frenzy is about to end -- and it will not go any further. Unless, of course, these folks were foolish enough to give false statements, perjure themselves or suborn perjury, or commit obstruction of justice. If they were so stupid, Patrick Fitzgerald must stay and clean house.

    •  how depressing! (none)
      you really know how to take the fun out of Fitzmas ... or Dean does.  

      one thing, though:  if it is all so likely to end anticlimatically, why the high tension in D.C.?  

      May all beings be free from fear.

      by shakti on Fri Oct 21, 2005 at 07:28:40 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  If they were so stupid... (none)
        Read the last sentence again.
      •  Dean isn't part of (none)
        Fitzgerald's legal team. He doesn't have any more  information than we have. Last year he was all excited about the Plame affair, predicted that the s would hit the fan around May, but nothing happened. Besides, as a lawyer, he's much better off shooting for small or no result, if the opposite happens, he can give credit to Fitzgerald and lose nothing.  

        "Judy," he said. "It's Muammar Abu Minyar al-Qaddafi."

        by Petrasays on Fri Oct 21, 2005 at 07:58:59 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  maybe Fitzgerald put up the website in case ... (none)
    ... he gets fired.  That way at least some of the documents are easily accessed by other sleuths.

    May all beings be free from fear.

    by shakti on Fri Oct 21, 2005 at 07:19:05 PM PDT

  •  you see what (none)
    DeLay is doing to Ronnie Earle?

    The Repugs are about 3 days away from SLIMING Fitzgerald.  Just watch.  It'll be ugly.

    Hope the website can be used to prove any sort of credibility once the attacks start.

  •  There will be (1.00)
    NO indictments. Mr Fitzgerald is a republican. Nests have been feathered. You guys are setting yourselves up for a HUGE let down. OJ, Jackson and now this. You'll see on FRIDAY of next week.
    •  Fitz is no hack (3.00)
      He's taken on both dems and repugs, and he's dealt with some real bad-ass muthas - organized crime and terrorists; this lot in the White House are cute puppy dogs next to the snarling rotweilers Fitz has broken.  

      You may be right that there are no indictments, but it won't be because of a lack of trying on Fitz's part.  

      -7.38, -5.90 "When I was an alien, cultures weren't opinions" - Kurt Cobain

      by Subterranean on Fri Oct 21, 2005 at 11:18:18 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  HUGE let down? (none)
      You guys are setting yourselves up for a HUGE let down. OJ, Jackson and now this.

      Dear Urban,

      What huge let down?

      OJ > so what

      Jackson > who cares

      The administration > now that is something that effects the entire country and the way it is being run...

      Watching these guys preen and mug for the "right" camara shots is almost too good to be true...

      Squirm

    •  I gave you a zero (none)
      Not because I disagree with you, but because it's obvious you have a specific agenda in mind while posting, and it has nothing to do with promoting progressive politics.

      What's the clangor and the clamor? Throw BushCo in the slammer.

      by MissAnneThrope on Sat Oct 22, 2005 at 06:21:17 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

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