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So who to root for, considering that my two teams are not in contention (the Cubs and A's)?

The White Sox are cross-town arch enemies of the Cubs, while the Astros are bitter division foes. It's a wash. Futility index -- the White Sox have the second-longest futility streak in baseball (Cubs are the longest). The Astros have never been to a World Series, so that's a wash.

Texas versus Illinois? Gotta root for my home state. Plus one White Sox. Silly political considerations? Illinois is a blue state, Texas a red state, and Bush pretends to be from there. Gotta go with blue. Plus two White Sox.  

Uniforms? The White Sox have one of the coolest uniforms in baseball, and would be the coolest if they went back to their 1917 "Black Sox" logo. Plus three White Sox.

All the shit my White Sox fan friends will talk for the next 50 years if the Sox win as as the Cubs continue their inevitable failures? Minus three White Sox. We're back to a wash.

My father was a White Sox fan. I have great memories of him taking me and my brother to Sox games at the old Comiskey Park. If he were alive, he'd be beside himself right now. Plus one million White Sox.

Go Sox!

(Our SB Network sites following the action: Crawfish Boxes for the Astros, and South Side Sox for the White Sox.)

Originally posted to Daily Kos on Sat Oct 22, 2005 at 02:26 PM PDT.

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  •  Astros fans (4.00)
    thought it would be fun to not wear sox today in protest at the game.

    It'll be like 40 something degrees tonight.  

    hehe, suckers.

  •  And the Sox don't have Roger Clemens (none)
    Plus a gazillion White Sox.
    •  Astros (4.00)
      I think Roger Clemens's ego isn't quite big enough, so I'm rooting for the 'Stros. Seriously, I am.

      Maybe I'm just bitter about the White Sox rolling over the Red Sox, I don't know. But I have to say (as I commented in another thread, long ago), the White Sox have the most horrible announcer in the history of sports:

      "That's a chopper, two hopper!"

      "C'mon, git outta heeuh! Git outta heeuh!"

      "Hee gonn!"

      Ugh. God. Is this the freakin' Dukes of Hazzard? I'd rather shoot myself than have to listen to another White Sox game. Thank God they're not announcing the World Series.

      "It is a common delusion that you make things better by talking about them." - Dame Rose Macaulay

      by Zackpunk on Sat Oct 22, 2005 at 01:05:49 PM PDT

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      •  Ken (Hawk) Harrelson (none)
        The most annoying voice in sports.
        Except for, maybe, Jeannie Zelasko.

        "Everything that rises must converge"

        by jpgod on Sat Oct 22, 2005 at 03:26:23 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

      •  Not always (none)
        They used to have this announcer named Harry Caray...  Did he go to some other team or something?
      •  That announcer was a Bosox hero, to you know... (none)
        Hawk Harrelson was a nobody until that 1967 WS visit by your beloved Crimson Hose.

        I take exception to your characterization of him.

        I am very happy to listen to him, year in and year out.  He adds a lot to one's understanding of the game.

        Hawk talks baseball with the best of them.  His euphemisms are not for everybody, but he talks technical baseball phenomenally well.  I have learned more about hitting and strategy from listening to him than from any other broadcaster I've heard.  And coming from St. Louis, I am a Serious fan and student of the game.

        I live in the Chicago area, raised in St. Louis, where I experienced Harry Caray, Joe Garagiola and Jack Buck - THREE Hall of Fame announcers - on the air at the same time.  Only Jack Buck deserved it.

        Weak technical announcers:

        1. Vin Scully - silky voice and made the time pass nicely, but not a serious fan's announcer
        2. Joe Garagiola - All 'hot stove league' shmoozer that never talked about anything current - just the past
        3. Ron Santo - the biggest whining, apologizer EVER - a disgrace to the Cubs organization - and for a team that hasn't won since 1908, that is saying something
        4. Harry Caray - I listened to him drunken babble from 1960 on, with the Cardinals and all of his years with the White Sox and Cubs (about 30 years of him in all), and never EVER heard him say one word about strategy or technical aspects of the game.  A drunken idiot, and a hale fellow well met - and the reason Wrigley became the world's biggest Irish Pub (and why the Cubs will now never win until Wrigley Field is no longer their perrenial MVP)
        5. Jon Miller - who the HELL ever hired that idiot?  Joe Morgan must be embarrased to go on air with him.  He doesn't know a sacrifice from a sticky wicket.

        P.S. Kick Astro's ass, Sox!

        P.P.S. The world doesn't revolve around Boston and New York, though ESPN seems to think so.  At the same time, I was VERY happy for the Red Sox last year.  And going from 3-0 to losing in 7 couldn't have happened to a nicer team than the Yanks... Fuck 'em.

  •  As a self-respecting irrational Cubs fan... (4.00)
    ...I cannot in good conscience root for the White Sox.  The fact that they are even in the World Series is devastating to me.

    As far as the intra-division argument goes, at least its not the Cardinals...if that happened, I think my head would have exploded.

    Ironically, I became a Cubs fan because my father is a White Sox fan.  It was 1982 and the Sox were in the playoffs against the Orioles.  I wanted to play catch with him, and he told me he would only play if the White Sox won the game.  The Sox lost, he didn't play catch with me, so out of spite I became a Cubs fan at the age of six.  I thank him for that all the time.



    P.S. And as a Rangers fan, I bet that W. is actually cheering for the Sox to spite the Astros, just as Cubs fans would cheer for the Astros to spite the Sox.  Unless he puts politics above passion in baseball (alright, maybe I am over-analyzing).

    Join Sherrod Brown and "Grow Ohio" from the grassroots.

    by ttagaris on Sat Oct 22, 2005 at 01:01:00 PM PDT

    •  Why, fer chrissakes (none)
      I live in Chicago but am not a native.

      I am still waiting for an explanation from someone:

      Why are Cubs fans required to hate the Sox and vice versa?

      Take the fight to them. Don't let them bring it to you. - Harry S. Truman

      by jgoodfri on Sat Oct 22, 2005 at 01:03:32 PM PDT

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      •  That's standard (4.00)
        Cross-town rivals must hate each's not just a Sox/Cubs's a high school, college, professional, all sports thing.  ;-)

        Arrogant lips are unsuited to a fool-- how much worse lying lips to a ruler - Proverbs 17:7

        by Barbara Morrill on Sat Oct 22, 2005 at 01:09:26 PM PDT

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      •  well... (none)
        Beause for many of us that grew up there, we had our fair share of friends that rooted for the opposite team.  As a kid who played a ton of baseball, ditched school to get to wrigley, and cried in 1989 when Andre Dawson choked against the Giants -- there was always a lot of trash talking with my White Sox fan friends.

        My first year of college, I lived with two White Sox fans and 3 Cubs fans -- more trash talking.  When I transfered to Southern Illinois University, 2 of my best friends were White Sox fans -- still more trash talking, especially in our fantasy baseball leagues.

        So, that's my excuse.  It's not nature, it's nurture.


        Join Sherrod Brown and "Grow Ohio" from the grassroots.

        by ttagaris on Sat Oct 22, 2005 at 01:09:27 PM PDT

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      •  Because... (none)'s one or the other. You can't have it both ways. I'm a huge Sox fan, but until now my favorite baseball moment was watching the Cubs collapse in 2003.

        Any Cubs fans rooting for the Sox in the World Series aren't real fans.

        •  One more thing (none)
          If the Sox win, I want one of the usual World Series Champions t-shirts, but on the back it will have "Suck it Cubs fans!!"

          If they don't have something like that, I should get one custom-made...

        •  heh... (none)
          I was talking to my dad about the series against the Angels, and he asked me if I was cheering for the White Sox (stupid question for him to ask of me), and I told him yes...

          ...I am cheering for the White Sox to do as well as they have to do so any collapse that ensues is more heart-breaking than the one the Cub suffered in 2003.


          Join Sherrod Brown and "Grow Ohio" from the grassroots.

          by ttagaris on Sat Oct 22, 2005 at 01:15:07 PM PDT

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      •  I don't hate the Sox, (4.00)
        I don't like Sox fans.

        I don't think a group of people suffer as much of a Napoleon complex as White Sox fans.

        Imagine two scenarios at Grant Park, one where the Cubs win the World Series, and one where the Sox win.

        At the Cubs rally, "Cubs Win, Cubs Win!"

        At the Sox rally, "Cubs Suck, Cubs Suck!"

        •  You Nailed IT (none)
          I love the Cubs. I 'inherited' my step-dad's season tix. And, I like the Sox, and I have a lot of respect for Ozzie....we exchanged some silly banter the night of the Bartman incident when he was 3rd base coach for the Marlins. He's a nice, nice guy.
          But you're right. Sox fans would rather see the Cubs lose than the Sox win. I'm hoping that their attitude will change if they finally win the Series.
          I'm going tomorrow night and I'm cheering for the Sox.
          •  with you (none)
            it's not the team so much as the fans.  When I was nine and picking a team, the boy I hated the most loved the Sox and wouldn't shut up about it (do they ever?) Case closed.  Besides, the dreamy Ryne Sandberg was their star at the time.

            As far as the Series goes, a meteor(ite) could hit the park and it would make no difference to me.  I hate the Sox, Mr Krilink hates the Astros (Cards fan), so it's been a tough week.  We're adopting conscientious objector status. No point in purposely making one of us miserable.

            Let me know when the buck stops.

            by krilink on Sat Oct 22, 2005 at 03:43:16 PM PDT

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          •  Here's one Sox fan (none)
            that was delighted when the Cubs won - and my son, a huge Cub fan, hates the Sox.  I'm sure there are plenty like us.

            The beneficiaries are likely to be...large corporations and development firms. (O'Connor, J. dissenting in Kelo). God bless you, J. O'Connor.

            by xanthe on Sat Oct 22, 2005 at 06:15:58 PM PDT

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        •  Wait... (none)
          There's only one baseball team in Chicago.

          Then there's some shrine where some people put on uniforms and 40,000 people drink beer and talk on cell phones.

          I'm a democrat and I believe in you.

          by winodj on Sat Oct 22, 2005 at 06:09:16 PM PDT

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      •  They're not (none)
        but Cubs fans have a bug up their @$$.

        I was born and raised on the southside. Used to hear the fireworks going off at Comiskey and run inside to see who hit a homerun. Spent my birthday parties at the ballpark (born in early April always near opening day).

        But there was a very nice old lady from our church that lived across the street that would take me on the L up to Wrigley to watch the Cubs play every once in awhile. Lots of fun. Nice ol' lady, Mildred Farrow. Thank you Mildred.

        I love the Sox and the Cubs but I love the Sox more. The only thing I have against the Cubs is their sillyassed superiority complex born out of their wee little... chance of ever winning a damn thing.

        GO SOX!!!

        •  Sox v. Cubs (4.00)
          I grew up in Southern Indiana as a Reds fan. Had to leave that when Marge Schott began running her mouth.
          So, I moved to Chicago, starting teaching on the West side and attended an occasional Cubs game at Wrigley and Sox game at Comiskey. Both were fun.
          Nine years ago, my son was born and, about five years later I began taking him to games. There is such a different feel to the games. My son, Wilson, finally asked that we stop going to Wrigley, and after talking to him a while, I figured out why. When we went to Cubs games, it was full of pretty, cell-phone toting people who rarely paid attention to the games. ("Oh my God, can you believe that Johnny did that? I'm sooo sure.")
          When we went/go to Sox games (even at the heinous US Cellular Field), people know the game, want to discuss the Sox players, stats, etc. They're into the game. It's just a better place to see baseball and be part of the game. Wrigley is a better place to find a date...

          The purpose of education is create men and women capable of doing new things, not merely repeating what others have done~~Jean Piaget

          by BigAl on Sat Oct 22, 2005 at 03:39:19 PM PDT

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          •  Wrigley used to be better (none)
            but it and the Cubs became "hip" and it appears to have been down hill ever since.

            When I went there a handful of neighbors put lawn chairs up on the roofs, had a few friends over, had a few beers and watched the games for free. That was kinda cool. When the bleacher seats went up on the neighboring buildings it lost all charming character as far as I'm concerned.

            Bleacher bums in both parks used to be baseball fans but nowadays Wrigley is just an excuse to see and be seen. Screw that. You can go Oak Street beach for that crap.

            When I went to Wrigley it was to see Ernie Banks, Fergie Jenkins and Billy Williams. It is where I saw Willie Mays play. It's where I saw the Big Red Machine and where I saw Willie Stargell and Roberto Clemente.

            Now those were people to see!

      •  it just must be, jgoodfri... (none)
        It just must be...

        (I'm a Cubs fan, too, btw.)

        Who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men? Well, come on, doesn't anybody know!?!?

        by Erik the Red on Sat Oct 22, 2005 at 04:21:05 PM PDT

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    •  Faulty memory (none)
      Sorry, Tim, the ChiSox-scarring incident with your Dad took place in 1983, not 1982.  The 1982 AL playoffs featured Gene Mauch's Angels vs. the "Harvey's Wallbangers" Milwaukee Brewers, led by Yount, Molitor, Simmons, Oliver, Cooper and Thomas.  The Brewers beat the Angels, and then lost to the Cardinals in the Series.

      "Run, comrade, the old world is behind you!" -- Situationist graffito, 1968

      by Pesto on Sat Oct 22, 2005 at 01:05:55 PM PDT

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      •  Yes yes yes... (none)
        you are correct, it was 83.


        Join Sherrod Brown and "Grow Ohio" from the grassroots.

        by ttagaris on Sat Oct 22, 2005 at 01:10:10 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

      •  Harvey's Wallbangers (none)
        That was a good line up. Wasn't Ben Ogilivie on that team too? He had a couple really good years in there in the middle of an otherwise very mediocre career. Yount, Molitor and Gorman Thomas though... I thought Thomas was going to end up breaking all sorts of home run records the way he hit for that team. Not much pitching as I recall though... or at least... not enough pitching.

        What was the managers name? Long time coach as I recall. Harvey... ?

        •  Kuenn (none)
          Harvey Kuenn (pronounced "keen").  Thomas hit a lot of homers, but he wasn't a particularly good hitter, and not much of a CF either -- a somewhat more athletic Steve Balboni, essentially, although he might have been a better player if his workout regimen had ever gone beyond the 12-ounce curl.  And yes, Ben Oglivie was on that team, too, along with Charlie Moore and Jim Gantner.  Starters were, let's see, Vuckovich (totally undeserving Cy Young), Caldwell, Haas...I can't remember the rest of the rotation.  Rollie Fingers was the closer (he won the Cy in '81, IIRC).  The WS was a show-down between the 2 superstar relief aces, Fingers and Sutter.

          "Run, comrade, the old world is behind you!" -- Situationist graffito, 1968

          by Pesto on Sun Oct 23, 2005 at 01:25:01 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

    •  gotta say that makes no sense... (none)
      Not the bit about your dad pushing into a lifetime assignment to the purgatory that is being a Cubs fan (I'm one myself, so I can relate), but the fact that you believe that won't let you root for the Pale Hose.

      Sheesh!  Give it a rest, the Cubs ain't gonna win this Series and the City of the Big Shoulders could sure use it.

      If for no other reason than the fact that the Bush Seniors are big 'stros fans and the team is from Houston - the HEART of Texas' Talibangelist Freeperville.

      Go-go White Sox!!!

      One last question - what would you have done if the Cardinals had made the WS?

      "In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock." --Thomas Jefferson

      by frisco on Sat Oct 22, 2005 at 02:05:32 PM PDT

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    •  not to quibble (none)
      but the Sox played the O's in the '83 playoffs, not '82.  Winning Ugly, Britt Burns, and f***ing Tito Landrum.

      Fox News--As fair as a Florida Election, as balanced as Ann Coulter when she forgets her medicine.

      by Dizzy on Sat Oct 22, 2005 at 03:29:48 PM PDT

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    •  I'm a Sox fan and (none)
      I was happy when the Cubs won a few years back.  Shame on you - can't you allow your fellow Chicagoans to have some pleasure?

      The beneficiaries are likely to be...large corporations and development firms. (O'Connor, J. dissenting in Kelo). God bless you, J. O'Connor.

      by xanthe on Sat Oct 22, 2005 at 05:25:29 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  How old ARE you? (none)
      You say you were six, yet the Sox didn't play the Orioles in 1982.

      It was 1983.

      Look it up.

      Again, I ask, how old were you?

      And some dumb thing like at the age of six - when you don't know squat - means you have to keep that in your head for the rest of your life?  

      Go see a shrink and get over it.

    •  Cubs and Sox fans (none)
      It's like having the Boston Red Sox and New York Yankees in the same town.

      "Are you trying to play Darwin to the lemurs in your head?"

    •  No, that's cool (none)
      I'm diehard Sox fan all the way, but I respect the fact that cubbie fans might root for the Astros out of pure spite.  I celebrate that narrowminded, fierce sense of schadenfreude that is the loyal sports fan.

      It'll just be that much sweeter when the South Siders get fitted for their World Series championship rings.

      Oh, and by the way to all those who say otherwise, Hawk Harrelson is truly one of baseball's gems.

  •  Trivia (none)
    Houston was awarded a franchise during the 3rd week of October, 1960.

    So it took the Colt .45s exactly 45 years to win a pennant.


    Take the fight to them. Don't let them bring it to you. - Harry S. Truman

    by jgoodfri on Sat Oct 22, 2005 at 01:01:57 PM PDT

  •  GO SOX!!!!!!!!!!!! nt (4.00)
  •  GO ASTROS!!!! (3.66)
    Bagwell and Bigio are the two most deserving players in baseball. Bush may "claim" to be from Texas, but he's still a yankee to me and besides, he was part owner in the Rangers, NOT the Astros!

    GOOOOOO ASTROS!!!!!!!!!!!!

    •  Yes, But (none)
      The owner of the Houston Astros does seem to give a lot of money to Republicans, including President Bush (although, in fairness, I note that he also gave contributions to Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee and Senator Byron Dorgan).
    •  Yes (3.50)
      I have tremendous amounts of respect for the fact that Bagwell and Biggio have played for one team for so long.  It seems like nobody (especially well-known guys) does that anymore.  For as long as they've stuck with their team, I'd like to see them get World Series rings out of it.
      •  Another one is Frank Thomas (none)
        Biggio came up in 1988, Thomas in 1990, Bagwell in 1991.

        And the one time Thomas' team finally makes it to the World Series, he is hurt and cannot participate.

        BTW, with Thomas this year, the White Sox were 20-9 when he started.  He also pinch hit in 5 games.  With a team that was only one win from the best record in baseball, they were even better when he played than not.

        In those 34 games, Thomas only batted .219, but he had 26 RBIs and 12 homers.  When Cleveland was breathing down their necks in late September, those games Frank played in were forgotten, but actually loomed large.  The White Sox would certainly have lost their lead had it not been for Frank's contribution earlier in the season.  And if Cleveland had taken the lead, who knows if the Sox would have been able to overtake them.

        Hats off to Biggio and Baggsie, and kudos that they finally made it.

        But let's give a tip of the hat to Frank as well.  Even in a season where he is forgotten in the overall team's success, and will not get into the WS, he contributed, and did so very well when he could.

  •  I agree (4.00)
    The White Sox are an old, classic team, and they deserve to win one. Anyway, Bush the First is an Astros fan, so that's reason enough not to like them.
  •  Sox (4.00)
    Bless their little boots, I'm rooting for them (despite my loyalty to the Twinkies).
  •  crazy stuff like sports (3.50)
    One of the many reasons I love dKos. I stay so informed - if only I had time to read every post.

    Whether it's weather, sports, politics or tv shows, I am so often so informed it scares my friends.

    It can be irritating though. Once someone told me something, and I already knew, and the frustration showed. "Is there anything you don't already know???!!"  It made me very aware to be more open and less know it all-y. On occasion since then, I have even pretended to not know something!  (I can't help it if I read dKos every day!!!)

    My brother said something to me about sports the other day, and well, frankly I'm not much into sports. I could hear the disappointment in his voice. Now, if I just take a minute and stay tuned to this thread, the next time we talk, I will have several brilliant comments!

    Carry on everyone!  Happy Saturday!

    "Is the President concerned that there's a stench of corruption around the Republican establishment in Washington?" -- Terry Moran to Scotty, 9/28/05

    by OLinda on Sat Oct 22, 2005 at 01:03:20 PM PDT

  •  HW and Barbara (4.00)
    Bush41 and Barbara Bush are Astros fans and were sitting behind home plate during the playoffs.  That's good enough reason to root for the ChiSox.
    •  That's more annoying than the cellphone-waver (4.00)
      Yeah ... the dork has a cellphone ... and he's behind home plate waving at someone he's talking to ... ASSHOLE. (And it's not like these dickheads do it only when the opposing pitcher's on the mound but their own guy too.) ASSHOLES.

      Yet even this stock character isn't a fraction as repulsive to see as the mutant evil that spawned the Chimperor.

      Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest. - Denis Diderot

      by Peanut on Sat Oct 22, 2005 at 01:32:10 PM PDT

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  •  Ozzie Guillen (4.00)
    Today's Wall Street Journal had an interesting piece on the rise of the White Sox and the growing presence of Latinos in baseball ("The New Face of Baseball," by Johathan Eig, page A6).

    Much of the focus is on Ozzie Guillen. And there's an interesting political dimension (after all, this is Daily Kos):

    A native of Venezuela, the 41-year-old Mr. Guillen is a folk hero in his home country. President Hugo Chavez phones him from time to time, and Mr. Guillen, while saying he doesn't care for all of Mr. Chavez's policies, describes the president as a friend.

    After the World Series, could we use Ozzie for back-channel negotiations to defuse an ugly situation in Venezuela? Probably not: we're still living in Bushworld.

  •  Baseball a nineteenth century sport (none)
    I had hoped that, by now, we would have moved beyond baseball.

    We're all in this together.

    by JTML on Sat Oct 22, 2005 at 01:05:00 PM PDT

  •  To be fair.. (3.00)
    Houston is a Blue City (especially if you don't count the suburbs)

    I'm a Royals fan who is not very fond of the White Sox, and i'm going to cheer for the Astros.

    "Our country right or wrong. When right, to be kept right; when wrong, to be put right" - Carl Schurz

    by RBH on Sat Oct 22, 2005 at 01:05:31 PM PDT

  •  Tough one... (none)
    I'm somewhat leaning towards the Sox (was my mom's favorite team, I'm an AL fan), but it would be nice to see the 'Stros win it...Biggio and Bagwell deserve it, IMO.

    And while I'm here (and since openthread is slacking again), a quick plug for my diary...Miller calls Bill Keller's memo about her "seriously inaccurate."  Uh-huh, Judy...

    Arrogant lips are unsuited to a fool-- how much worse lying lips to a ruler - Proverbs 17:7

    by Barbara Morrill on Sat Oct 22, 2005 at 01:06:03 PM PDT

  •  I am a METS fan but.... (4.00)
    I am rooting for the White Sox simply because they DONT come from texas and the last thing i want to see is happy texans celebrating another 'win'

    sooooooooo  GO WHITE SOX!!!!!!!!!!

    "if all the world's a stage, who is sitting in the audience?"

    by KnotIookin on Sat Oct 22, 2005 at 01:06:05 PM PDT

  •  If you have any Chicago ties at all, (4.00)
    you've got to root for the Sox.

    Beggars can't be choosers, right? And we Chicago baseball fans have been begging for a World Series for a long, long time.

    Go Sox!

    First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win. -- Mohandas Gandhi

    by trueblue illinois on Sat Oct 22, 2005 at 01:06:08 PM PDT

    •  This Is True (4.00)
      During my law school days in Chicago, I loved going to Wrigley Field to see the Cubs play.  

      But, oh, how my heart would ache if Senators Durbin and Obama had to lose a World Series bet to Senators Cornyn and Hutchison.  

      Plus, when I was little, I loved Minnie Minoso of the White Sox (even though I was a Milwaukee Braves fan during the era of Warren Spahn, Lou Matthews, Joe Adcock and Hank Aaron).  

      •  I love Minnie - (none)
        he still goes to games.  He loved the game when he played.  And he was a spiffy dresser.

        The beneficiaries are likely to be...large corporations and development firms. (O'Connor, J. dissenting in Kelo). God bless you, J. O'Connor.

        by xanthe on Sat Oct 22, 2005 at 05:27:49 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

    •  My Ties to the White Sox (none)
      are limited to the fact that their farm club used to be the Colorado Springs Sky Sox.

      That was my home town. Now it's a bastion of Christian Dominionists.

      So much for my Pale Hose ties.

      I reserve the right to revise and extend my remarks in Sozadee CA.

      by The Messenger on Sat Oct 22, 2005 at 01:31:44 PM PDT

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  •  Go Astros (3.66)
    I've been waiting for this day literally all of my life. Knowing my luck I will drop dead before the game starts.
  •  You can also use a Plamegate calculus (4.00)
    in deciding who to root for:

    Fitzgerald = U.S. Attorney for Chicago

    Bush = "from" Texas

    Go White Sox!

    •  OTOH imagine Fitzgerald PISSED (none)
      He's been cool, calculating, committed to forming his case. What if, in a giddy moment of WS joy he went on a forgiveness spree and lost all that hard work?

      Rooting for a Sox loss just to get Fitzgerald up to the next level of bitter viciousness to match what's naturally occurring in the Smirk/Sneer menace might be prudent.

      Yes, I'm overthinking this. Yes, I'm talking out of my ass.

      Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest. - Denis Diderot

      by Peanut on Sat Oct 22, 2005 at 01:52:03 PM PDT

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  •  Anything to not see Barb and 41 smooch again. (4.00)
    Go Sox!

    we now know a lot of things, most of which, we already knew... (-dash888) -8.25; -6.41

    by Tirge Caps on Sat Oct 22, 2005 at 01:08:35 PM PDT

  •  Gotta tell this story (4.00)
    I live in the Chicago South Side. A couple of weeks ago, my parents and my uncle, all from the Boston area, come to visit. This is just after the White Sox have swept the Red Sox.

    My uncle, a big Red Sox fan, is wearing his RS windbreaker. One of the things we do is go to a play at Steppenwolf, a theater in the North Side. The parking attendent sees the windbreaker and expresses his sympathy. My uncles says something along the lines of "Well, we won last year, so I guess it's your turn. You must be happy about the White Sox."


    A rapid education in the geo-athletic division of Chicago followed. The attendant, a North-Sider through and through, started his rant with "I hate the White Sox" and went from there...


  •  white sox-astros (none)
    great pitching match-ups. two very good managers.some great offensive and defensive should go 7-southside rules
  •  Barack Obama is a die-hard White Sox fan (none)
    there's another political consideration. I'll go with Chicago. He threw out the first pitch in Game one against the Angels. And he is a lefty. Insert joke here. :)

    A message to the Iraqi people: The crooked voting machines have to be back in Florida by Friday -Dave Letterman

    by jj32 on Sat Oct 22, 2005 at 01:12:43 PM PDT

    •  Of Course (none)
      He is a South Side guy.  You could take the Garfield bus to Comiskey Park from Hyde Park.

      (I know, I know, I'm dating myself.)

      •  It's the 55 bus now (none)
        Some years ago, the east-west buses on the South Side were renumbered to correspond to the street that they followed.

        55 to the Dan Ryan, Red line north to 35th, and you're right at the new stadium.


        •  It's Not Comiskey Park Anymore, Right? (none)
          I'm not a big baseball fan, but I am pretty sure the new White Sox stadium goes by another name.
          •  US Cellular Field, (none)
            aka 'The Cell', courtesy of a cellphone company that wanted some extra publicity.


            •  Since My Last Trip to Comiskey (none)
              Occurred on the night of Disco Demolition (which my husband and I barely survived), the cell seems very appropriate.  As we approached the ballpark on the night of Disco Demolition, we thought we heard gunshots.  They were vinyl records being thrown from the stands onto the sidewalks near the stadium.  I had been told to go to the game because a client radio station was sponsoring the event.  As I recall, a fan fell from an upper deck seat onto a peanut vendor.  All this occurred before the disco records were exploded in the infield and the second game of the double header was cancelled.

              This cemented my loyalty to the Cubs as my National League team, although I will root for the White Sox in the series.

  •  White Sox Definitely (none)
    I'm first a Red Sox fan.  Gotta go with the team that last won in 1917 -- get rid of that curse.  I was rooting for the Cubs, too, last year.  Maybe they'll get another chance soon.

    And I could never root for a team from Texas...unless they were playing the Yankees.

  •  AL vs. NL (none)
    I have the same dilemma (Cubs fan), but given that I now live in Houston I have to pull for the Astros. Especially since I think the designated hitter rule is bunk.
  •  Results of yesterday's C&J poll... (4.00)
    Who are you rooting for in the World Series?

    925 votes

     Houston Astros 13%  

     Chicago White Sox 47%  

     The team with the hottest butts 10%  

     I support both equally 1%  

     Neither. I'm not into bowling. 23%  

     Other 3%  

  •  The politicization of baseball??? (none)
    I have to admit the sight of Albert Pujols sending Babs and Poppy Bush home disappointed the other night was delicious... the mere fact that those two ghouls are Astros fans, plus the inescapable Blue State/Red State consideration makes it impossible not to root for the Sox...

    Plus Ozzie Guillen's Venezuelan... another chance for Hugo Chavez to be a thorn in the side of family Bush...

    Go White Sox!!!

    You don't lead by pointing and telling people some place to go. You lead by going to that place and making a case. - Ken Kesey

    by ThatSinger on Sat Oct 22, 2005 at 01:17:01 PM PDT

  •  Houston's a Democratic town... (none)
    - With a Democratic mayor,  Bill White.

    And home to great legendary Dems like...
    Mickie Leland and Barbara Jordan..

    Don't hate the 'Stros just because Barb Bush sits behind homeplate (though it does sicken me.)

    I'm sure there are no-name Repubs aplenty sitting behind homeplate in the Sox home games,,,,

  •  Bah. (none)
    Astros Astros Astros!

    I'm for Bill Richardson because it's time we nominated a fiscally-responsible, pro-gun governor with foreign policy experience. Call me crazy.

    by JimTXDem on Sat Oct 22, 2005 at 01:20:37 PM PDT

    •  Go Astros! (none)
      The White Sox are in the wrong league to qualify for my support.

      I will never back a team that plays fake baseball with a designated hitter.

      Real baseball trumps pretend baseball, pseudo-baseball, crypto-baseball, quasi-baseball and near-baseball.

      I reserve the right to revise and extend my remarks in Sozadee CA.

      by The Messenger on Sat Oct 22, 2005 at 01:41:14 PM PDT

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  •  Kos is a.... (none)
    Kos is an A's fan. Holy Toledo! Another reason to respect him. A's in 2006!!!
  •  Purely on the basis of fashion (none)
    Since you mention uniforms, what the Astros did was just wrong. These aren't just fashion crimes but fashion crimes against humanity. You know it's bad when filling them with the likes of greats like the Alou's (among others) still doesn't improve them.

    The Bucs are almost as bad but they have a Pirate.

    Even though I still have my Sox Stink sign from the 93/ALCS somewhere in my basement storage, I'm going to pull for the Sox.

    Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest. - Denis Diderot

    by Peanut on Sat Oct 22, 2005 at 01:21:46 PM PDT

  •  Red Sox fan ... (none)
    rooting for the White Sox.

    Can not support anything from Texas
    (especially after special consideration given on the delay mug shot/booking photo).

    Must however disagree however on the uniforms.

    Go Sox, White.

    •  You sure? (none)
      There may be a few reasons for a Red Sox fan to root for Houston.


      • The White Sox roster includes Carl Everett (you know, the asshole ex-Red Sox who does not believe dinosaurs really existed)
      • Clemens and Bagwell are former members of the Red Sox family... or are those still sore subjects?
  •  kos (none)
    I think that's just about my favorite of your posts...and that's saying something.

    Go Sox!

    Decisions are made by those who show up.

    by poe on Sat Oct 22, 2005 at 01:25:19 PM PDT

  •  Can't root for Clemens (none)
    So I'm rooting for the White Sox. Even they have a few Yankee retreads, so it will be hard rooting for either team when you get right down to it. My interest will only really get piqued if something strange happens early on in the series. Something like, oh, I don't know... like this.

    A pessimist sees a glass half empty. I see a paper cup with holes punched in it.

    by Paper Cup on Sat Oct 22, 2005 at 01:27:52 PM PDT

  •  Root for both teams. Except for the DL, this (none)
    should be a series like the game is meant to be played. Look for great pitching - which relies heavily on strong defense. Look for runners in motion to put additional pressure on said defense. Situational hitting will be key.

    How boring it would have been to have the Yankees or BoSox in the Series. Yawwwn - waiting for the 3-run homer is soooo dull.

    Houston in six.

  •  karma (none)
    The White Sox are forever cursed by the Black Sox scandal.  I say, go Clemens and Pettite!
  •  Hard Choices (none)
    Sometimes a little free association helps.

    Houston.  Texas.  The Bush family.  Tom DeLay.  The Oil business.  Republicans.  Air pollution.  Fundamentalist preachers.  Neo-Confederate.  No contributions to American culture worth talking about other than Archie Bell and the Drells.

    Chicago.  Illinois, the Land of Lincoln.  Jesse Jackson, pere et fil.  Kielbasi and sauerkraut freely available. The Blues.  Hard core Democrats.  Snow & Ice.  Frank Lloyd Wright, Carl Sandburg and Mike Royko.

    This is a tough one.  I'm going to have to get back to you.

    •  well, hey (none)
      ...No contributions to American culture worth talking about

      Alex Chilton? the Big Boys? uh...

      Okay. I don't know much about Texas.

      Only the White Man can profit from pain -- Chris Rock

      by Karl the Idiot on Sat Oct 22, 2005 at 03:50:17 PM PDT

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    •  Beleaguered Houstonian (none)
      I grew up in Houston - indeed, I'm a fifth-generation Houstonian (now living in the I.C.).  For f---'s sake, does the entire city have to be damned because our preznit's daddy lives there?  There are a large number of cool, interesting, progressive people in the Big Onion - don't sell 'em out, people!  

      As for cultural contributions, here are a few just off the top of my head - I'm sure there are others.  

      • Wes Anderson and "Rushmore"
      • The premiere of the opera "Nixon in China"
      • The Rice Design Alliance (and, actually, Rice University in general)
      • The Museum District, including the Museum of Fine Arts, the Contemporary Arts Museum, and more - all very well supported and visited
      • The Menil Collection (including the Twombly Gallery)
      • The Rothko Chapel
      • The Byzantine Fresco Museum
      • The Alley Theatre
      • Walter Cronkite
      • Lyle Lovett
      • Molly Ivins
      • Barbara Jordan



      Go Astros!  

  •  Kos is from Chicago? (none)
    Dude, I was at a Sox game with my grandfather the day Apollo 11 landed on the moon. I grew up 5 blocks from the old Comisky park. I HATE them for tearing it down. Go Sox!

    "A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves." - Bertrand de Jouvenal

    by fightingdem on Sat Oct 22, 2005 at 01:47:58 PM PDT

  •  Root, root, root, for the home(town) team... (none)
    Astros!  I was born and raised in Houston, and went to plenty of Astros games growing up.  Along with many other fans I suffered through the 1980 NLCS when the 'Stros came within three outs of the World Series--but lost to the Phillies.  This AFTER Bum Phillips' great Houston Oiler teams lost two years in a row to the Steelers in the AFC championship.

    So yes, I think we're due for a celebration!  But if the Astros do lose, the White Sox will be worthy champions.  Lord knows they've waited long enough.


    Remember New Orleans

    by AAbshier on Sat Oct 22, 2005 at 01:52:13 PM PDT

  •  Go Sox! (none)
       I own a friend who had cards made up that stated "I'd rather have a sister in a whorehouse than a brother who's a CUBS fan! As a nearly lifelong Southsider...GO SOX!!!
  •  Go Astros (none)
    I once heard Ozzie Guillen described as the John Bolton of baseball. 'Nuff said.
    •  'Nuff said? (none)
      Ozzie Guillen may be a blunt speaker somewhat like Bolton in that regard but he's not a neocon for god's sake.  

      Bolton probably thinks privately that Pat Robertson was right about assassinating Hugo Chavez.  Guillen talks to him on the phone from time to time.

      Go Go Chicago White Sox!

    •  Last time I checked (none)
      Ozzie wasn't sitting in the UN, representing the US.

      The beneficiaries are likely to be...large corporations and development firms. (O'Connor, J. dissenting in Kelo). God bless you, J. O'Connor.

      by xanthe on Sat Oct 22, 2005 at 05:30:26 PM PDT

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  •  Aaah, we all know the fix is in. (none)
    White Sox are going to steal this series. It's in their DNA. Remember Game 2 of the ALCS? Didn't that ump behave kinda oddly? Apparently, Sox pitchers have more than just vaseline or pine tar in their hip pockets.

    White Sox in four, unless their check bounces.


    No animals were harmed in the making of this comment.

    by Shiborg on Sat Oct 22, 2005 at 02:08:34 PM PDT

  •  Astros owner gave like $25,000 to the RNC (none)
    So it says on

    He's a bigtime Republican donor.  That fact, along with Bar and George Senior Bush being at the last games at Enron Field for the Stros, make me root for the Palehose.

    "As the Constitution endures, persons in every generation can invoke its principles in their own search for greater freedom." Justice Kennedy, Lawrence v Texas

    by HillaryGuy on Sat Oct 22, 2005 at 02:09:38 PM PDT

  •  old Comiskey (none)
    Hey dere Fightingdem, I lived @ 38th & California for about 5 years. My brother was helping build the new park when they found bullet holes in some upper deck seat backs. The trajectory came from Cabrini across the expressway, so they had to do some reconfiguring of the eastside to cut off th e line of sight(from what I heard, I'm no engineer.) Scary, huh?
  •  Sox all the way! (none)
    I used to work in a phone center for the company the Cubs hired to conduct their telephone sales.  A not insignificant % of folks trying to get tickets were out of town tourists, non-baseball fans, who wanted to go to the games simply because they were held at WRIGLEY FIELD!!:)!  These were inevitably the stupidest and most annoying people to talk to.  They seemingly couldn't comprehend the fact that at one of the smallest stadiums in the league games could easily sell out.  They'd be willing to sacrifice a testicle or two to be able to lick the bathroom floor in Wrigley, but you probably couldn't get them to even glance in the direction of the Sox stadium(we sold their tix too, I can't remember the venue name now, it seems like they gave it a corporate name of little distinction)if you paid them a thousand dollars.  

    I always thought that the Cubs could make a killing if they had a modern sized stadium but then, well, it just wouldn't be Wrigley Field.  I could never figure out if people were going to see a baseball game, or simply a building.  Why not hold demolition derbies, fundamentalist church services, or livestock auctions there when games weren't being held, I always wondered?  It's the stadium, not the team that sucks people from all over the world in like a black hole.  Case in point, even the tickets for the stadium tours on non game days sold out well in advance.  

    <shrug> End of rant.  I hope the White Sox win then their fans hold an impromptu disco demolition derby night reunion party/destructive riot in the toniest neighborhood of Cubs fans in Chicago.

    Oh, and don't get me started on those "bleacher seats".

    I'm so metal I have the unlisted Number of the Beast.

    by MjrMjr on Sat Oct 22, 2005 at 02:26:26 PM PDT

    •  Hey! Cut us some slack there (none)
      I live a few blocks away from Wrigley. Those out of town jack-offs of which you cite as a reason not to like the Cubs are a pain in this neighborhood's butt. They drive here in their enormous SUVs and take all our (scarce) parking. So, you're hoping that my neighborhood gets wilding Sox fans because of people who don't even live her? Unpack that one for me, pal.
      •  Took my kids to a game (none)
        at Wrigley last year. Made the drive from Ann Arbor, MI...just because it was Wrigley. Same thing my dad did for me with Forbes Field in Pittsburgh - just because it was a glorious old park.

        while Wrigley may not have all modern amenities (like toilets that work and don't remind you of some Dickensian horror), it was still fantastic. we took the El (sp?) to the park and cruised around the hood, and the kids wore fake Matt Clement mustaches and the whole 9 was fantastic.

        fans pissed me off about the bartman thing though.

        I don't think anyone anticipated the breach of the levees

        by tinfoilhat on Sat Oct 22, 2005 at 02:46:22 PM PDT

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        •  Whaddya mean? (none)
          "pissed me off about the Bartman thing"?

          I'm pissed off that Steve Bartman was never roughed up-- not even a little bit.  If I had seen him in the aftermath with a fat lip or a black eye, I would have felt the matter somewhat resolved.  That was karmic destiny and it's unfulfilled.

          •  There ya go! Typical (none)
            The cubs suck for 1000 years and the guy tries to catch a foul ball that lands on him and suddenly it's his fault. Forget that (well, who really cares who the shortstop was since he booted the next groundball) the SS booted the next one anyway. All that 'loving fans' and friendly confines crap flew out the window then and there.

            1000 more years of no hope - curse of the bartman.

            I don't think anyone anticipated the breach of the levees

            by tinfoilhat on Sat Oct 22, 2005 at 10:27:54 PM PDT

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      •  Sorry, years of pent up bitterness... (none)
        If you sold Cubs tickets for a few years to pay your way through school you might be bitter, too.  Okay, so I went over the top.  I really have nothing against folks who actually live near the park and may be fans of the team, people who have stayed loyal through all the bad years, might know who some of the players are, etc.  I've heard there's a lot of controversy over the parking situation and trash on neighborhood streets, etc.  It's too bad that the negative aspects of an enterprise that must generate an awful lot of money get foisted on neighborhood residents.  

        I'm so metal I have the unlisted Number of the Beast.

        by MjrMjr on Sat Oct 22, 2005 at 02:55:07 PM PDT

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      •  And the neighborhood (none)
        has fought long and hard to keep from being overwhelmed by the Cubs.  Wrigleyville/Lakeview is a vibrant area - it's not all about the Cubs.  Also some beautiful greystones in that area.  Plus the alderman is a progressive gay -

        The beneficiaries are likely to be...large corporations and development firms. (O'Connor, J. dissenting in Kelo). God bless you, J. O'Connor.

        by xanthe on Sat Oct 22, 2005 at 05:39:00 PM PDT

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  •  I really don't care if the Bushes like the Astros (none)
    Doesn't affect my opinion of the team one bit. They have and always will be my favorite team.
    •  Sorry, but if Bush likes it ... (none)
      there's gotta be something wrong with it. QED.

      That is the only way the universe makes sense to me. Bush is my anti-matter. If he and I were ever to come together on any issue, my head would explode.

      No animals were harmed in the making of this comment.

      by Shiborg on Sat Oct 22, 2005 at 03:01:31 PM PDT

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      •  But (again) (none)
        you gotta like little Scottie dogs, don't you?  Bushie's evident fondness for Barney is his only positive characteristic, IMO.

        (I mistakenly posted this on a different thread above, I have no idea how - some mysterious mishits on the keyboard, and all of a sudden I was posting again to the same thread I had previously posted to.  Very Twilight Zone....)

  •  Go White Sox (none)
    After my Cardinals lost the NLCS, I have to root for the bane of every Cubs fan's existence.

    "I wish the world was run by love, and absolutely nothing more." -7.38, -7.95 I'm 19, but I care.

    by eliasjames on Sat Oct 22, 2005 at 02:34:33 PM PDT

  •  I NEVER have a team in either... (none)
    so rooting for a 7-game series that ends with a walk-off homer in the bottom of the 21'st (which by default means white sox).

    I am just happy schilling isn't back so we have to listen to his drivel.

    I don't think anyone anticipated the breach of the levees

    by tinfoilhat on Sat Oct 22, 2005 at 02:36:08 PM PDT

  •  I'm a diehard Cubs fan (none)
    but I'm pulling for the Sox for a few reasons.

    1. The Astros are a rival of the Cubbies.
    2. I just gotta go for the Chicago team.
    3. The Sox have had almost as bad a past century as the Cubs.
    4. The Astros are from Texas.
    5. My dad is a Sox fan and has stuck with the team through thick and thin.
  •  Any team with Rodger Clemens . . . (none)
    deserves the lose.  I just don't like the guy. Never have, never will.

    Go White Soxs.

    "Constitutional Crisis Forthcoming"

    by egarratt on Sat Oct 22, 2005 at 02:47:58 PM PDT

  •  oh the torture (none)
    i'm a cubs fan from a sox family.  the taunting has already begun.  a sox victory will mean years of endless ridicule and torture.  you might as well send me to gitmo.

    then again, i can't root for the astros.

    what's a man to do?

  •  Texas gave us Bush. (none)
    But the real reason I'm rooting for Chicago is that their long suffering fans remind me of us Red Sox fans. Let them know how nice it is to finally see their team get the big prize. Go Sox!
  •  Jeff Bagwell is the Designated Hitter tonight (none)
    that's sweet.
  •  If Houston (none)
    wins GWB will think it is a message from GEEZUSS supporting his "mandate".

    Go CHISOX!  I was born in Michael Reese Hospital(2 blocks from Cominsky) during (8th inning) their last WS game win at home on 01 OCT 1959 -  an 11-0 victory over LA.

    My father never let me forget that. I'm a die hard - but I almost gave up on SOX once in the late 70s when they hired a female fashion designer to come up with a new uniform...They played half a season in Bermuda shorts...remember that??? Man, we deseve this win. Any team from Texas deserves what we've had...heartbreak.

  •  Go Go Sox (4.00)

    As a kid, Nellie Fox was my David to the Goliath of Micky Mantle. I gave up on the White Sox long ago but I want to see them win to end one of the longest dry spells in sports.

    •  Oh Maynard (none)
      You make me cry.  Nellie!  Yeah, I hate the Yankees always will.  My cousin Joey used to say: Dere tretening, dose Yankees.

      The beneficiaries are likely to be...large corporations and development firms. (O'Connor, J. dissenting in Kelo). God bless you, J. O'Connor.

      by xanthe on Sat Oct 22, 2005 at 05:41:01 PM PDT

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  •  Go White Sox!! Defeat Enron's Team! (none)
    For the love of Pete! The Cubs are not worth backing Houston! Houston is the home of Enron and their airport is George Bush airport!

    Sadly, the Cubs have become a home for over-priveleged Yuppies. Quaint tradition and all, but we need to look at today's reality.

    Plus, the White Sox represent the gritty, working class south side. The same people Democrats should back.

  •  'Bout time Kos! (none)
    I wondered when you were going to put that silly Cubs cap aside and acknowledge that the Chicago White Sox has won the American League Championship and were heading to the World Series.

    Despite your silly favoritism towards the Cubs I'll forgive you for the sake of your wonderful White Sox Loving Father.


  •  GoGo Sox (none)
    Sox in 5!

    Fox News--As fair as a Florida Election, as balanced as Ann Coulter when she forgets her medicine.

    by Dizzy on Sat Oct 22, 2005 at 03:22:12 PM PDT

  •  No politics....go Chisox! (none)
    I don't care who cheers for the Houston Astros or the fact that they're in Texas.  I just don't hold those kinds of grudges.

    I'm cheering for the White Sox because they're an old, classic team and they're in the same division as my beloved Detroit Tigers, who might not have a winning season, let alone a trip to the World Series, in the remainder of my lifetime.

    I've got the fever for the flavour, the payback will be later, still I need a fix - Bran Van 3000

    by Linnaeus on Sat Oct 22, 2005 at 03:23:06 PM PDT

    •  longevity (none)
      I think the "wait till next year" attitude of being a Cubs' fan makes you live longer!
      Go Sox -- the only better thing would be the ol' cross-town rivalry, but the city might never recover.
  •  Hotel Rooms in Houston for the World Series (4.00)
    I just read that there will be a problem in Houston during the world series getting a hotel room.  About 50,000 hotel rooms, including those closest to the ballpark, have been taken by women attending the National Quilting Association meeting.  Go, stitchers!
  •  Obama-Tastic (none)
    In case y'all wanted another reason to support the's another good one: game 2, ALCS.

    Obama and Durbin also have a bet running on the series against Hutchinson and Cornyn fron Texas.  

  •  Why I Hate Roger Clemens (4.00)
    The way he tanked his last few seasons in Boston was disgraceful, but that's not why.

    It was after he plunked Piazza on the helmet, then went batshit crazy and threw a broken bat at him in the World Series...

    After this, during interleague play, the Yankees deliberately shuffled their rotation so Clemens didn't have to pitch in Shea Stadium, and therefore have to face a Mets pitcher who might possibly retaliate against him.

    Then, before the Yankees were to face Barry Bonds, he has the stones to say that Bonds "better not go up there with all that armor on" (Bonds wears some protective gear while at bat to protect from foul tips and, some say, inside pitches). Basically implying that he would throw at him.

    This is where I lost it---don't talk this bullshit like you're some old-school tough guy when you have done nothing but pitch in the American League your ENTIRE FREAKIN' CAREER!! And ESPECIALLY don't do it when you're too big of a chickenshit to even bat against a team you pissed off!!

    Ok...(deep breath)...feel better now.

    That said, I am a lifelong Pirates fan and generally root for the NL in the Series. Not this year, though.

    The Astros piss me off in too many ways:

    1. Clemens
    2. Those horrible uniforms they wore in the 70's and 80's
    3. That idiotic ballpark they built---with the short porch, the flagpole in the field of play, the centerfield slope, the train---it is nothing but a museum of ballpark oddities of the past. And then naming it after Enron. Horrible.
    4. They got rid of those horrible uniforms they wore in the 70's and 80's.
    5. Texas.

    I was 18 in 1987 when I did something very few people my age can say they have done: I saw a Major League baseball game for $1. It was half price night at old Comiskey, and I sat in the bleachers in straight-away centerfield. Steve "Psycho" Lyons hit a home run in the 11th to beat the Royals in a game between two terrible teams. I will always have a soft spot for the White Sox for giving me that unforgettable night.

    Sox in 6.

    "Make the pie higher."

    by SiD ORMaN on Sat Oct 22, 2005 at 03:43:11 PM PDT

    •  "you know how I feel about Roger" (none)
      "You know how I feel about Roger."

      I used to say this so often when he was a Red Sox that I may have blown my anonymity if anyone is reading this who knew me in the 80s-90s.

      So much about him rubs me the wrong way that I don't know where to start.

      He had a reputation for stopping losing streaks but my memory is that he also stopped a few winning streaks, including the Morgan Magic winning streak.

      As he left the game last night I said to my mom, before the next inning is over he'll have his excuse ready about how he is hurt.  As he was walking down the tunnel to the clubhouse the announcers were already talking about the hamstring.

      Other guys play hurt and don't use their injuries as an excuse.  Other guys play hurt and still win games (love that bloody Red Sock, even though Schilling is a GoOP).  The famous blister excuse for Game Six '86 was a joke, although he is still denying he asked out of that game.  And I will always believe he deliberately got himself thrown out of the 1990 game by Cooney because he was pitching badly and wanted to take the focus off of the "he can't pitch in the big games" criticism.

      Clemens always impressed me as the kind of jock who was allowed to be so self-focused because of his talent that he never had to give any consideration to anything else, especially the importance of a star being nice to the little guy.  His interviews sound like GWB is giving them--listen to him the next time he is talking to the press and you can imagine his thought process (such as it is) being channeled by the pResident himself.

      I am trying to keep an open mind about Texas--I know Houston is a bluedrop city in a red state and that DeLay and Cornyn and even Bush's political days are numbered (can we even dream of a return to the 60s when the home of Lyndon Johnson and Barbara Jordan was solid blue?).

      But I will never root for any team that has Clemens.  Now all of you guys "know how I feel about Roger."

      Politics is like driving. To go backward, put it in R. To go forward, put it in D.

      by TrueBlueMajority on Sun Oct 23, 2005 at 06:31:20 AM PDT

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    Best website to discuss the White Sox
  •  Sox all the way............ (none)
    Well I grew up on the south side. My dad loved the Sox. Loved baseball period. One of my very early memories is sitting in front of the TV set watching the 59 world series with my dad and my brothers. Louis Aparacio. Nellie Fox. Early Wynn. Jim Landis. These were our early heroes. I remember both Bill Veeck eras at Comiskey Park; but I also remember going down to Wrigley Field with my dad to see his National League Latino heroes-- Orlando Cepado and, of course, Roberto Clemente. Maybe that's why I never developed the Cubs hate, even though my brothers did. Could it be a guy thing? Anyway I consider myself both a Cubs and a White Sox Fan and I don't get any joy out of seeing either team lose.
    •  Oh, Nellie Fox! (none)
      a great Chisox player.  And a nice guy with the kids out in the parking lot.

      The beneficiaries are likely to be...large corporations and development firms. (O'Connor, J. dissenting in Kelo). God bless you, J. O'Connor.

      by xanthe on Sat Oct 22, 2005 at 05:34:29 PM PDT

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  •  Go Astros (none)
    As a true Cubs fan, I cannot bring myself to root for the Sox and will have to support the Astros.  This seems awfully familiar...oh wait, I know, much like the last presidential election.
  •  Celebrating Texans (none)
    The thought of millions of Texans dancing in the streets is just to horrifying to contemplate.

    Go Sox.

  •  Ex-Cub Factor (none)
    The ex-Cub factor, for those of you unfamiliar with it, is a historical somewhat proven effect that states that the team with the fewest ex-Cubs usually wins the World Series. A team with three or more ex-Cubs can't win the Series.

    The ex-Cub factor, not invented by, but popularized by Mike Royko, shouldn't be a real strong influence this year. The Astros have one ex-Cub, Jose Vizcaino. The White Sox are even more pure with no ec-Cubs.

  •  And for once Kos and I agree :-) (none)
    When I moved to teh US without knowing much about baseball, I chose the Sox, mostly out of spite.  We settled (at that time in Chicago's northern suburbs) and my younger brother picked the Cubbies (because everyone else was a Cubbie fan).  So I chose Sox just to be contrarian.  And boy am I glad now. :-)  I stuck with them for 15 years and today is my payoff.

    Go Sox!

  •  Go Astros (none)
    I actually like the White Sox, but I gotta go with my hometown team. Go 'Stros!


    Wesley Clark -- Securing America's Future

    by lhuynh on Sat Oct 22, 2005 at 04:10:27 PM PDT

  •  This is easy (none)
    Texas is just too red for me, go Sox.
  •  When all else fails (none)
    (when I don't care about either team) I root my politics and the last thing I want to see is Tom DeLay / Bush et al holding an Astro's trophy - apologies to nice Texans hanging around here.
  •  go sox (none)
    I gotta cheer on the hometeam, but don't call me a f*cking Sox fan.  I clip my toenails regularly, wear my waistline above the asscrack, have never sported a mullet, and get a little bit tipsy AT the game, not three hours before.
    They are as tacky and graceless as their ballpark, which is made entirely of plastic because plastic doesn't retain body odor.

    Rooting for the White Sox is like suddenly liking NASCAR, but I'm cheering them on to show that I'm a good sport.  Geographically, they're Chicago too.

  •  Ever wonder? Why Baseball? (none)
    WHy is it that baseball is okay for scholars and generally intelligent people to talk about?  

    But, if you talk about basketball or Football, you immediately get people turned off.  

    •  My opinion? (none)
      And my opinion only.  Baseball has far more layers of strategery.  It and ogres are like onions.  Baseball is less violent.  Baseball is less showboaty (if I can make up a word).  Baseball has more history.  Baseball games are more conducive to conversation during the run of play.  And that's just for starters.  Anyone else can feel free to pile on.
    •  Baseball has a mythological quality (none)
      to it that the other sports don't have. Baseball literature can be very lyrical and powerful and can be a metaphor for a simpler time. It has to do with the fact that baseball is something shared between generations on lazy, summer afternoons. Baseball symbolizes innocence.

      My god, people, watch Field of Dreams and you'll figure it out. ;)

      It is also magical. Other sports do not share this, IMO.

      "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying the cross." -- Sinclair Lewis

      by Dunbar on Sat Oct 22, 2005 at 04:57:12 PM PDT

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  •  ah, the white sox (none)
    being from chicago's south side, i grew up among many a sox fan. however, i used to go to cubs games with my family on occasion. i enjoyed both, and generally avoided taking sides. i generally considered myself a sox fan, though simply because of geography.

    when the cubs almost made it to the series in 2003, i was happy and i watched the games. i was even called a rabid cubs fan out for blood by usa today (now that's a long story).

    but i'm happy now that the sox have made it this far, it's fun to see the city on tv getting so excited. i don't live there anymore, and my newly minted team fell apart in the second half of the season...

    but, i'd root for either team if they made it to the world series.

    uh... unless of course the series was cubs versus sox.

  •  Go Yankees! (none)

    The people of New Orleans got left behind

    by diplomatic on Sat Oct 22, 2005 at 04:40:09 PM PDT

  •  Okay, all you Chicago people. (none)
    Where did you grow up. I was born at Little Company of Mary Hospital in Evergreen Park but grew up near 29th and S. Wells. My neighborhood park of choice was Armour Square Park in the shadow of old Comisky Park.

    Go Sox!

    "A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves." - Bertrand de Jouvenal

    by fightingdem on Sat Oct 22, 2005 at 04:43:05 PM PDT

  •  Real Cubs Fan Hope No One Wins (none)
    How can you as a Cubs fan root for the White Sox or the Astros.  This is like my worst nightmare as a Cub fan.  Either the White Sox will be rubbing it in our noses next year or the Astros will.  Not good times at all.
  •  OK (none)
    Now that everyone's shared with us who they hate and why:

    PLAY BALL!!!

    "Everything that rises must converge"

    by jpgod on Sat Oct 22, 2005 at 04:53:29 PM PDT

  •  I pick White Sox (none)
    Based simply on the following: Houston is in Texas and Texas kinda gave us George.

    Chicago is where Fitzgerald is from, right? That's good.

    And besides, I went to Chicago and had a great time with a bunch of women as we hung out at the House of Blues and watched Russell Crowe shake his booty in a pair of tight jeans.

    Chicago White Sox it is. :)

    My team, the Orioles, had a complete meltdown this past year. I gather it will be a while before I can root them on.

    "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying the cross." -- Sinclair Lewis

    by Dunbar on Sat Oct 22, 2005 at 04:53:32 PM PDT

  •  Go Nats!!! (4.00)
    Um, okay, so the Nationals didn't make it, and really took a nosedive the second half, BUT... man, 500 ain't bad for a first season...  Wait til next year!

    And hey, DC may not have a World Series champ, but we do have this little guy:

  •  Go 'Stros!! (none)
    Houston has never won a World Series... about time they did, I think.

    Although I might be biased. I live in MD but my home state is Texas. Texas is a good state, despite what many of my fellow Kossacks seem to think. :)

    GO 'STROS!!!!!!!!!!!

    Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel. -Samuel Johnson

    by bhlogger on Sat Oct 22, 2005 at 05:09:24 PM PDT

  •  YESSSSS! Dye Goes Deep! (none)
    Well, Jermaine Dye's first inning home run didn't exactly pin Roger's ears back, which is what I'm personally hoping for, but it will surely do for a start!  1-0 Sox!  So far.
  •  I'm thinking of one of my (none)
    parents too, Kos.  In this case, my mom - a huge fan.  She saw all the great ones play in the 30s and 40s.  She was a fan to the end and had the ballgame on in the house all the time.  A berzillion White Sox.  Go sox, go.  

    The beneficiaries are likely to be...large corporations and development firms. (O'Connor, J. dissenting in Kelo). God bless you, J. O'Connor.

    by xanthe on Sat Oct 22, 2005 at 05:22:36 PM PDT

  •  My brothers and I (none)
    taking the el to either Wrigley Field because they were Cub fans or Comisky Park because I was a White Sox fan.

    1959 World Series, 1961 Labor Doubleheader loss, Minnie Minoso, Bill Vecke - god the memories are all coming back.

    Go Sox!!

    Someday, after the forest fire of the Right has died we'll say "Whew, I'm happy that's over."

    by CanYouBeAngryAndStillDream on Sat Oct 22, 2005 at 05:26:57 PM PDT

  •  corporate ball! put your money and time elsewhere (none)
    stop supporting this insanity.
  •  Am I a troll for posting this? (none)
    As a Yankee fan, I don't really have a dog in this fight.  The White Sox, I respect.  The Astros, as a team, I respect.

    Based on the influence of George Bush, the elder, and my desire to see the agony of the past reduced, I've decided what to root for:

    Astros to win Games 1, 2, 3
    White Sox to win Games 4, 5, 6, 7

  •  In the immortal words of John Grisham, (none)
    "Always support the National League."

    I'll go with the Astros, thanks...

  •  Cubs fan from the late 60s (none)
    I'm rooting for the Sox - they last won the World Series in 1917.  I want them to win so the Cubs will be alone in their World Series decades.  

    Sox are not the arch enemies - Mets because of 69 and the stinkin Red Birds.  Now they are arch enemies.  

  •  sadness (none)
    I miss Bill King, kos.
  •  Brad Ausmus lived near us (none)
    when he was playing for the Colorado Sky sox. His son was in nursery school with our kids.

    Go Brad !

    "Fitz, don't fail me now !!" ~~Mantan Moreland, bug-eyed actor in "King of the Zombies", 1941

    by seesdifferent on Sat Oct 22, 2005 at 06:21:10 PM PDT

  •  blab on while Crede hits home run (none)
    my freakin pet peeve. These idiots. why don't they get their own talk show. This is freakin baseball. They should fire these assholes who don'tthink the game  is interesting enough so they blab away about whatever "story line" they come up with. Gawd. Piss me off.

    "Fitz, don't fail me now !!" ~~Mantan Moreland, bug-eyed actor in "King of the Zombies", 1941

    by seesdifferent on Sat Oct 22, 2005 at 06:32:28 PM PDT

  •  great gatorade commercial (none)
    showing altered historical sports moments. Very cool.

    "Fitz, don't fail me now !!" ~~Mantan Moreland, bug-eyed actor in "King of the Zombies", 1941

    by seesdifferent on Sat Oct 22, 2005 at 06:56:23 PM PDT

  •  SOX WIN! (none)
    You can put it on the board! YESSS!  Sox are up 1-0 in the series. Bobby Jenks rules! By the way, earlier someone asked for Chicagoans to say where they grew up. Here's my story:

    Born: University of Illinois at Chicago hospital

    Raised: One of the roughest, Back of The Yards (or as Mexicans like me say, "la 47")

    Moved: West Lawn by 63rd n Pulaski, the good 'ol Democratic machine 13th Ward.

    Present: Still at West Lawn, but will probably move soon because my mom says, "there are too many Mexicans in the neighborhood now". Perhaps my family triggered the migration from "la 47" to the southwest side.

    GO SOX!

    In the Clinton administration we worried the president would open his zipper. In the Bush administration, they worry the president will open his mouth.-Carville

    by dime rip cfh on Sat Oct 22, 2005 at 09:49:59 PM PDT

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