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The home team of Barack Obama and Patrick Fitzgerald defeated the Houston Astros right in front of the Bush family. I'm sure there are at least of couple of long faces in the crowd tonight. A sweet moment for a long ignored team and the working class people of South Chicago. Let's hope this is an omen of things to come Friday!

Originally posted to Daily Kos on Wed Oct 26, 2005 at 09:42 PM PDT.

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  •  Woo Hoo! (4.00)
    I thought I jinxed them by buying champagne tonite, the first time since the election, but the Sox did not disappoint.

    Raising my glass!

    •  not supposed to drink it (4.00)
      shower in it.

      i'm an agnostic, i'd be an atheist if it weren't for mozart

      by rasbobbo on Wed Oct 26, 2005 at 09:08:28 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Juan Uribe (none)
        Reversed the curse tonight.

        Congrats.  But Uribe.  WOW.

        The Cubs will never get another WS ring.

        Evan Bayh 2008
        Miller for KY Governor 2007

        by dsolzman on Wed Oct 26, 2005 at 09:09:38 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  can't believe astros fans are so lame (none)
          they actually got out of his way on that catch.

          i'm an agnostic, i'd be an atheist if it weren't for mozart

          by rasbobbo on Wed Oct 26, 2005 at 09:12:09 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

        •  Ok, who is next? (4.00)
          Last year it was the Red Sox, now the White Sox.  Is this a trend of cursed teams having their curses lifted? Are the Cubs next?

          Are uncursed teams going to invent curses so that they can win the World Series?

          •  Giants! (none)
            Not since 1954, and not since they've been in The City.

            Visit and follow every 2006 Senate race.

            by AnthonySF on Wed Oct 26, 2005 at 09:17:13 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

            •  Hell no (none)
              Giants forever cursed!


              Go Dodgers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

            •  Perhaps the Twins need a curse. (none)
              Sure, they won it in 87 and 91, but apparently you need a curse if you're going to win these days.  I'll have to think one up - and I don't know if the Metrodome quite counts as a curse.  If you could the years when they used to be the Washington Senators, the Twins hadn't won the WS since 1924, so they broke a curse in '87.  Are you allowed more than one curse, or is it one per customer.  Of course, a case can be made that the old Washington Senators weren't so much cursed as just bad.
              •  the Twins ... (none)
                used up their curse-breaking powers for the next decade or so when Selig threatened to contract them, and they responded by winning the division and inviting Herr Kommissioner to go Cheney himself.  Give 'em time--and besides, if there's any team cursed in the Twin Cities, it's NOT the Twins.

                "Do not offend the Chair Leg of Truth. It is wise and terrible!"

                by section29 on Wed Oct 26, 2005 at 09:36:43 PM PDT

                [ Parent ]

          •  Cleveland should be next... (4.00)
            I really am afraid that a Cubs World Series victory would bring about the End Times.

            ...Freedom is on the march. Straight to the gas chamber. this is infidelica...

            by snookybeh on Wed Oct 26, 2005 at 09:18:45 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

          •  Cubs Winning The World Series . . . (none)
            take it from this cubs fan - don't get your hopes up!  It's pretty hard to be a Cubs fan on the south side of Chicago right now.  Just winning the world series will not be enough to vindicate us southside cub fans; the only way my friends are going to let me live this down is if the cubs beat the white sox in the world series.

            "War is the greatest of all crimes; and yet there is no aggressor who does not color his crime with the pretext of justice." Voltaire

            by lostian1 on Wed Oct 26, 2005 at 09:23:14 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

          •  Ughhh (none)
            I'm so sick of seeing this.
            If I've told the people of Dailykos once, I've told them a million times, the Cubs choked away their chance in 2003. It was supposed to be the Cubs 1st, Red Sox 2nd, and White Sox 3rd.
            It won't happen for them in 2006.
          •  Who's next ? DemSox in 2006, baby (4.00)
            DemSox in 2006
          •  who's next? (4.00)
            the BLUE SOX, baby!!!  Dems win it all next year: the House, the Senate, and bring on the impeachment hearings!  Dems no longer cursed!  Worst to first!  Wire to wire in first place!!!

            first Barbara Bush hanging her head after the WS loss tonight, next year RoveCo and everyone associated with her son hiding their heads in disgrace as they are frogmarched off to prison for treason.

            prediction apropos of nothing: Cubbies win in 2008--the hundredth anniversary of their last WS win.

            Politics is like driving. To go backward, put it in R. To go forward, put it in D.

            by TrueBlueMajority on Wed Oct 26, 2005 at 09:54:07 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

          •  Next to beat the curse: the US Democrats (n/t) (3.33)

            "The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little."

            by vawolf on Wed Oct 26, 2005 at 09:56:36 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

          •  no kidding (none)
            For me it's been one long March Of The Bizarre since Florida won the first time in '97. Two Marlin titles (one over the Yankees), one each for both long-suffering Sox teams, one Arizona upset over the Yanks, one all-wildcard all-California series (with the long-suffering Halos victorious), two (at least?) Houston post-season appearances, two from San Diego as well, one crash-and-burn Cub team (who are next in line cursed-winner wise), and I know I'm forgetting some other weirdness too.

            The Yankee Series wins seem almost like an aberration in this context. If the Cubs go in '06 the universe really will be upside-down.

            •  Parity in baseball... (none)
              ...20 different teams have won the past 27 World Series.

              Only three curses (Cubs, '08; Indians, '48; and Giants, '54) predate expansion.

              Then again, the Senators/Rangers ('61); Astros ('62); Expos/Nats, Padres, Pilots/Brewers ('69); Mariners ('77); Rockies ('93) and Devil Rays ('98) have NEVER won a WS.  There might as well be an Expansion Curse....

          •  I would suggest the Rangers, (none)
            but they live an alternate baseball universe that renders pitching as important as post shock-and-awe planning.

            I don't think anyone anticipated the breach of the levees

            by tinfoilhat on Wed Oct 26, 2005 at 10:46:03 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

        •  Hey now! (4.00)
          I'm a North Sider and the Cubs are my first love.  

          But that doesn't mean I didn't enjoy the Sox great season.  

          Plus, my best friend lives in Houston, he had a standing room only (Ouch! That's gonna leave a mark!) ticket for last nights' game, so I was able to gloat a little with him tonite.  He wimped out though, and hung up at the bottom of the ninth, said he couldn't bear to watch.  


        •  And to top it off... (4.00)
          We got to make the Bush family cry :)

          I was in a local bar and for some reason at the very end of the game they kept showing pictures of Bush the elder.  I started chanting:


          Ahhhh, good times.

          --- If trickle down economics worked, Marie Antoinette wouldn't have lost her head

          by sterno on Wed Oct 26, 2005 at 11:58:52 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

        •  Where's the cross-town love? (none)
          The Cubs will never get another WS ring.

          That's not very nice - I was rootin' for the Sox even though I'm a lifelong Cubs fan.  Chicago love, man!

    •  There are fireworks going off (4.00)
      outside my window! Woooo!

      The revolution is ongoing.

      by The Gryffin on Wed Oct 26, 2005 at 09:12:32 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Mine Too (4.00)
        After hearing a couple after each WS win, I figured I'd actually open my window this time (I'm cold now) to hear them.  Nice.

        Cubs next year!!!!!!!

        Meine dispatcher says there is something wrong mit dinah kable?

        by Hungus on Wed Oct 26, 2005 at 09:21:03 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  Time to redeem "Shoeless" Joe Jackson (none)
          I can't believe that White Sox legend "Shoeless" Joe Jackson is still banned from the Hall of Fame.  He hit .400 in the disputed 1919 World Series and clearly wasn't part of the plan to throw the games.

          Now that the White Sox have won another World Series, it's time to take the ban off of old Shoeless Joe.

          •  That's not exactly true... (none)
            ..he confessed to the investigators, which was presented to the Grand Jury, although his confession was stolen by Comiskey's lawyers and never used at trial.  The written confession was found 30 years later in Comiskey's offices at the old ballpark.



            •  Shoeless Joe might be innocent (none)
              One biography of Joe states that he was set to inform Comiskey of the plan to throw the series, but Comiskey's lawyer denied him access to the owner, and was told to "keep the money." Jackson was illiterate, and the myth surrounding him is tied to the opinion that he was victimized by his own simplicity and a misplaced trust in Comiskey's lawyer.

              Some scholars believe Joe was a victim of Comiskey, who was an owner who valued "indentured servitude" -- baseball's reserve clause binding players to the team that held their contracts and he was determined not to overpay his players.

              There's more to the story, but Shoeless Joe did not play like he was trying to throw the Series. Why he took the money and then maybe tried to return it still seems like a mystery. But Comiskey has dirty hands....

              And Congratulations to the White Sox!!! Whoohooo! Last year, Boston, this year, Chicago! That's great news!

              "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying the cross." -- Sinclair Lewis

              by Dunbar on Thu Oct 27, 2005 at 03:06:46 AM PDT

              [ Parent ]

      •  I knew this was over last night when (none)
        the Fat Lady Sang. You know, the one standing next to Michael McDonald!!!
      •  People are going crazy on the steets (none)
        Outside my apartment right now.  It's also pouring out!

        One thing is for sure, I would put White Sox fans up against anyone in a drinking contest, and I've lived in a lot of different areas with different fans.  They are unbelievable partiers.  

        GO SOX!!!

    •  Second To None (4.00)

      That's CHICAGO! The Second To None City!!

      The National Debt Today: $7,917,771,964,291

      by Xman on Wed Oct 26, 2005 at 10:23:09 PM PDT

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    •  i'm here in chicago... (4.00)
      and even the busses and taxis are honking... everyone is celebrating.

      Image hosted by

    •  From one (Red) Sox fan to another--Enjoy!! (4.00)
    •  Congrats from an Astros fan. n/t (4.00)
      Great season and a well deserved win.

      Proud member of the Hackett Fedayeen

      by kd texan on Thu Oct 27, 2005 at 03:34:10 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  Does this make Texas... (none)
      ... the only state in which the home team lost every World Series game played there?  (And, come to think of it, every World Series game played, period?)
  •  Shoeless Joe Jackson is looking down with a smile (3.90)
    The jinx is off the team

    "now this is not the end, it is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." W. Churchill

    by Thor Heyerdahl on Wed Oct 26, 2005 at 09:08:12 PM PDT

  •  Yeah (4.00)
    I wish the Series had been closer but ultimately, I'm glad to see the White Sox win.  It is a nice victory and I'm glad to see the Bush's team lose.
    •  Closer? (4.00)
      I'll grant you, it was a sweep.  Still, every one of those games was intense.  This was really a pretty damn decent World Series.  Two two-run games and two one-run games out of four?  No blowouts in the bunch.

      Well done, Whiteys!

      If you vote Republican, you vote for corruption.

      by MN camera on Wed Oct 26, 2005 at 09:47:44 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  I agree. (none)
        It was a close series, game-to-game. It's funny, because that was what I said to my best friend before it started.  These times were pretty well matched, one might sweep this thing, but the scores will be close.

        Honestly, I admire the White Sox for being what a baseball team ought to be. They win with fundamentals, with grit, with excellent defense, great pitching and enough hitting.

        When you consider something sacred, you will never pollute it.

        by Dmitri in San Diego on Wed Oct 26, 2005 at 10:30:34 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  I am thinking... (none)
          of getting back into coaching Little League baseball and would love to use MY White Sox as an example of how the game is played.

          In my mind, this is redemption for all those Go Go Sox teams which finished just 'that' short of the prize, Nellie Fox, Louie Aparicio, Minnie Minoso, Sherm Lollar, Billy Pierce, Dick Donovan and I could go on.

          I now have to through myself into proper 'revelry' mode.

          Blatant plug:

          by stumpy on Thu Oct 27, 2005 at 03:08:17 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

      •  damn good series for a sweep (none)
        and hats off to the sox. I was sure they'd choke in September. Fun team to watch and I hope they keep it together.

        I don't think anyone anticipated the breach of the levees

        by tinfoilhat on Wed Oct 26, 2005 at 10:48:54 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

      •  Ouch! (none)
        Well done, Whiteys!

        er, uh ... we don't use that term around these parts ... not to refer to baseball players ...

        in a related note, my nephew, who just flew in from West Palm (where he goes to school) informed me that USAToday sports section article noted that no Astro players were african-american (i hadn't noticed) ... so if you're gonna refer ...

        Some times require that you accept circumstances as they are ... claiming blamelessness just doesn't cut it

        by wystler on Wed Oct 26, 2005 at 11:18:41 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  well... (none)
          As a longtime Northsider, my Cub fan friends and I had referred to the ChiSox that way for quite a while, with no other implications either thought or intended.

 what was that about the eye of the beholder again?

          And what of my old West Side of Chicago bass-playing friend Terry Black?  Should I now begin referring to him as "Terry African-American"?  (He's a Caucasian ex-Brit, btw.)

          Give me an f-in' break.

          If you vote Republican, you vote for corruption.

          by MN camera on Thu Oct 27, 2005 at 02:09:12 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

      •  How about this variation of your sig line ? (none)
        If you vote Republican, you will sponsor corruption.
    •  Ya know... (none)
      Being an Astros fan, I'm getting a little tired of hearing this kind of stuff. I can be a good loser. Really, I can. But alot of people here seem to want to equate baseball with politics. The players on the Houston team don't have a damned thing to do with where the Bush's decided to hang their hat. Those are good players and they worked hard. George Bush and the GOP don't have shit to do with baseball and who deserves to win and who doesn't.

      Just had to get that off my chest.

      Congrats to all you Sox fans... you played well! :-)

      Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel. -Samuel Johnson

      by bhlogger on Thu Oct 27, 2005 at 06:18:07 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Well ... (none)
        I grew up an Astros (and Dodgers) fan. These were the days in Houston of J.R. Richard, Joe Niekro, and Nolan Ryan.

        This season was pretty sweet for the Astros, even though it ended in the ChiSox sweeping them. Someone has to win.

        But it did bother me that Lance Berkman was vocal about supporting the invasion of Iraq.

        And it does bother me that the Astros owner is so chummy with the Arbustos.

        And W does have a lot to do with baseball. It was through baseball that he made his fortune ... with a little help from some other people. But then we could probably also tie in Harvard University and a lot of other institutions.

        So in a way it is difficult for sports teams to escape politics. Sports in general a major vehicle for political organization and communication.

        •  True (none)
          But give me a break. I hear enought Texas-bashing on this blog... it's bad enough Texas Democrats have to deal with this on a daily basis... now we have to listen to it when we're already heartbroken that our team lost.

          As I said, my hat is off to the White Sox... they played damn good baseball. I wish their fans here on Kos could be as respectful.

          Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel. -Samuel Johnson

          by bhlogger on Thu Oct 27, 2005 at 07:12:44 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  No shit (4.00)
            Houston is a very Democratic town and not all of us Astros fans are mouth breathing right wingers.

            Guliani is a big Yankee fan.  Fucking Pataki is at every playoff game.  Steinbrenner is a Nixon CREEP lover.  

            I guess that makes them and their fans right wingers.

            A nation afraid of the world cannot lead it. JW

            by Velvet Revolution on Thu Oct 27, 2005 at 07:46:46 AM PDT

            [ Parent ]

          •  True.... (none)
            But you have to admit that Texas is a red state, and not just a red state, but the state that elected Bush Gov and sent him to the white house (I was there for 20 years, leaving just 4 years ago).

            And Illinois is a blue state...especially Chicago.  And these teams do represent those there is something satisfying about seeing the Astros lose, especially with Babs, etc. in have to admit.  Even if I were still in Texas I would feel that way.  

            I'm sorry your team lost, but that is reality, and you should try to appreciate the moment for what it is...which is symbolic of something bigger than either team, at least to a lot of us.

            Then again, maybe if I were a hard-core Astros fan, I would feel differently.  

            •  Tom... (none)
              I hear you. I do. I'm as blue as they come. I'm sick at what this President and his administration is doing.

              I was born and raised in Texas and I know just how screwed up the state can be. I also know that there's alot of good people there... a lot of liberals and a lot of moderates. I'm extremely tired (and dishearted) to hear all the bashing the state gets because Bush decided to hang his hat there. He was born in Connecticut and raised in Kennebunkport and he's no more a native Texan than he is a moral Christian.

              A few real Texans are Ann Richards, Molly Ivans and Ronnie Earl. And the Dixie Chicks. L

              Anyway... what I'm trying to say here is that our sports teams should be judged not on the politics of the state they are from, but on their performance. The Astros played well... they gave it a good fight and they had us on the edge of our seats a few times. Can't we give them that much before we start back with all the Texas bashing?

              Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel. -Samuel Johnson

              by bhlogger on Thu Oct 27, 2005 at 10:00:39 AM PDT

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      •  I didn't mean to be insensitive (none)
        It's just that honestly, for me, I didn't really like or feel passion for either team.  It's not like 2003 when I hated both teams and felt bad that only one could lose but this World Series generally disinterested me.  And of course, that's not very nice to say to an Astros fan who just saw their team get swept in a heartbreaking manner or to a White Sox fan who is overjoyed.  But it's how I feel.

        In any case, you're right, the politics of the team doesn't really matter.  Most professional sports players (except for Ron Harper who retired and Shaquille O'Neal) are Republicans anyway.  And Barbara Bush probably doesn't care who wins anyway.

        Btw, I remember the 2001 NLDS between Houston and Atlanta that was known as the Presidential series because of the Bush's attending the games in Houston and Jimmy Carter attending in Atlanta.  Let me tell you though, Carter clearly was more into the games than the Bush's were.  He didn't just attend the game, he was involved.  I saw the footage of him in either the bullpen or the dugout really cheering on the Braves.  I know I wasn't even an idea when he was president but god damnit, I miss him as president.  

  •  Yes, they did, Randy. (4.00)
    Yes, they did!  Great job, White Sox!  

    If you White Sox fans are interested, here is my account of watching game 2 of the World Series last Sunday at Schaller's Pump, an old-time Sox bar on the south side of Chicago.

    You are cordially invited to visit my blog!

    by Lawyer to Capitalists on Wed Oct 26, 2005 at 09:08:45 PM PDT

  •  I gave up seeing (none)
    sports events as shadows of what was to come politically last presidential election Baseball and Football foreshadowing failed us!

    "Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph." (T. Paine)

    by dmmteacher on Wed Oct 26, 2005 at 09:09:38 PM PDT

  •  Clearly the Red Sox have opened the floodgates (4.00)
    Cubbies are on deck.  REVERSE THE CURSE!!!
    Congrats to Chicago!
  •  Sox rehabilitated at Enron. (3.71)
    After suffering through endless shot after shot of Barbara Bush and GHWB thanks to the Fox Sports boneheads (almost as annoying as seeing Jason Kidd's kid every other shot during NBA games) the Sox have emerged triumphantly at Enron (renamed to Minute Maid but I prefer to remember it for the corruption that it once represented.)

    I guess it's ironic or poetic or poetically ironic or ironically poetic that they lost with W's dad and mom looking on.

    "The concentration [of the legislative, executive and judicial powers] in the same hands is precisely the definition of despotic government." - Jefferson

    by El Payo on Wed Oct 26, 2005 at 09:12:39 PM PDT

  •  This is getting spooky (none)
    All I know is if the Cubs win the World Series next year I'm buying property in Tasmania.

    "I must create a system or be enslaved by another man's." - William Blake

    by Tod Westlake on Wed Oct 26, 2005 at 09:13:00 PM PDT

    (sorry, just posted this on open thread, but it bears repeating...)

    Watching Barbara Bush hang her head in shame when her team lost!!!

    Luckily we already had champagne in our hands when they replayed that moment at the end of the game!  

  •  I'm a Yankees fan... (none)
    ...but I have to hand it to the White Sox for doing a great job. They reminded me a lot of the '96 Yankee team.
  •  Next on CNN (4.00)
    "Federal government places Chicago under mandatory quarrintine."

    "We must all hang together or assuredly we will all hang seperately." - Ben Franklin

    by RandyMI on Wed Oct 26, 2005 at 09:19:37 PM PDT

  •  way to go and ruin my Fritzmas (none)
    fookin sox

    Give me Liberty or give me death!

    by guyermo on Wed Oct 26, 2005 at 09:20:08 PM PDT

  •  Hell fucking yeah!!! (4.00)
    This is the first time I've actually watched all the games of a World Series...and my first home team win!! I'm SO HAPPY!!!

    What a great game!

  •  The Bush curse lives (3.69)
    His parents were at every game in Houston, and in almost every shot of a left-handed batter stepping out of the box.

    The Astros owner is a Bush Pioneer, and didn't deserve another sold-out night.

    The Astros have NO African-American players.

    The Astros are from a state that gave us the Worst President Ever.

    And the White Sox are a great team, who played inspiring baseball all through the playoffs.

    The Republicans want to cut YOUR Social Security benefits.

    by devtob on Wed Oct 26, 2005 at 09:21:40 PM PDT

    •  I forgot one (3.33)
      The Astros took naming rights money from Enron, which had stolen billions from people in California.

      The Republicans want to cut YOUR Social Security benefits.

      by devtob on Wed Oct 26, 2005 at 09:24:03 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  What about (4.00)
        their employees that lost their life savings.

        Guess they don't matter

        •  Of course, they do (none)
          Enron was a Texas-based criminal enterprise aided and abetted by the Bush gang. Employees and others who lost money when the stock went in the toilet were defrauded.

          The point is, the Astros played at Enron Field before they got another Southern, Republican-loving company to pay for naming rights II.

          The Republicans want to cut YOUR Social Security benefits.

          by devtob on Wed Oct 26, 2005 at 10:00:31 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

        •  Well (4.00)
          I work with lots of people who lost their savings due to Enron and with all due respect, most of them voted for Bush in 2004... the ties between Bush and Kenny Boy, notwithstanding. I can't tell you how many frustrating conversations I had with people about this but they refuse to make the connection between corporate corruption, avarice, greed and the GOP.

          Bush: Always Wrong and Never in Doubt

          by Delilah on Wed Oct 26, 2005 at 10:06:01 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

    •  Reinsdorf is pretty evil too (none)

      But he's redeemed by his employees, Williams and Guillen first and foremost ...

      ... although that said I'm not looking forward to the Carl Everett interviews ... !

      •  Reinsdorf's silver lining (none)
        He bussed down all the white Sox employess to all the games at Enron. I can't tell if I now like him, or if that was just some detestable noblesse oblige.
        •  reinsdorf takes his civic (none)
          reponsibilities very seriously, beyond the public relations value.  i don't agree with everything he's said about the economics of pro sports, but i don't think he's evil.

          we'll stand him up against a wall and pop goes the weasel /rufus t. firefly

          by 2nd balcony on Thu Oct 27, 2005 at 12:01:34 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  Perhaps.... (none)
            ...but he tore down old Comiskey!!!  :-(

            That alone makes him evil in my eyes...

            I never got to see it.. and nothing is left.. nothing!!!



          •  Reinsdorf (none)
            and the other folks who built the United Center have played an important role in revitalizing Chicago's Near West Side where mixed income housing is replacing the old CHA housing projects and businesses are sprouting along Madison in a neighborhood that has been largely barren since the riots of '68.  The whole process has been far from perfect, but it's an example of Reinsdorf working with the city for the public good.  
    •  Uh... (4.00)
      Bush was born in the Northeast
    •  Race (3.00)
      I was amazed when I actually looked at the team photos of the White Sox and Astros side by side.
      One had a nice mix of colors while the other was almost all white.
      That doesn't just correspond to the players, it extends to the manager and GM as well.
      And I can't help but think that this wasn't just due to chance alone.
      •  Uh... (4.00)
        this is a business, folks, and the idea is to have the best team possible.  These were the 2 best teams, with the White Sox as # 1.  Simple as that.

        The Astros have had minority players in the past.
        JR Richard, Derek Bell, Jose Lima, and Carlos Beltran come to mind offhand -- and I could care less about baseball.  Beltran was the star of the postseason for the Astros.

      •  just so we're clear (4.00)
        Houston has some black Latin American players: Willie Taveras. Wandy Rodriguez. Ezequiel Astacio. They just happen to suck.

        Then again, they could've used a Willie Harris (scored the game-winning run) or Jermaine Dye (game-winning RBI) tonight.  

        And while Jose Contreras, Damaso Marte, and Freddy Garcia won three of the four Sox victories, and Juan Uribe had the final assist, the white dudes weren't too shabby either.

    •  Bill Virdon and JR Richard (none)
      Bill Virdon deliberately stocked the stros with large numbers of Hispanics and got rid of blacks because he believed that Hispanics were more pliable.  The stros insisted that their great black pitcher JR Richard was "lazy" and that he warm up before games when he couldn't pitch.  Richard had a heart condition and they damn near killed him.  Of course his career was over.

      Virdon's attitude stemmed from his time as manager of the Yankees.  His player's evolted and began to manage themselves way more successfully than under Virdon.  Virdon became manager of the year the season that he was ignored.  Hint: ignoring W would have led to a successful "season: for the country.

  •  How much you wanna bet, Fitzmas is (none)

    Perjury is not a technicality!

    by starkravinglunaticradical on Wed Oct 26, 2005 at 09:23:21 PM PDT

    World Champions Baby!!!!!!!!!!!


    My only gripe is Dye as the MVP otherwise I'm happier than I've been in a long time.

    •  who deserved it more? (none)
      It's so tough to find an MVP for these Sox. The starting pitchers only went one game apiece, Jenks blew a save, the big hit was delivered by a different man each night - Crede, Podsednik, Blum, Dye. I'd go with Crede myself. His bat and glove won them Game 1, he had an RBI in game two, his homer got Game 3's monster 5th inning up and running, and his 7th-inning double would've knocked in the winning run if it hadn't been for poor baserunning.
      •  I agree (none)
        I was thinking Crede as well.

        Bush: Always Wrong and Never in Doubt

        by Delilah on Wed Oct 26, 2005 at 09:52:02 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

      •  I thought Dye throughout (none)
        He just seemed to be on base at the right time or getting the hit at the right spot.

        I saw Dye up in the 8th tonight and had a strong feeling he'd basehit.

        For not too many hits/runs in the series, batting .438 is worthy.

        Strong case for Crede too...and can I buy stock in KonerCo?

        I don't think anyone anticipated the breach of the levees

        by tinfoilhat on Wed Oct 26, 2005 at 11:04:02 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

    •  Yeah, (none)
      I thought Crede would get it.

      Let's shrink Grover Norquist down to where he can be drowned in the bathtub.

      by jazzmaniac on Wed Oct 26, 2005 at 09:48:12 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Yeah Baby! (4.00)
    South Side All The Way!!!!

    There is no force more potent in the modern world than stupidity fueled by greed. -ed abbey

    by elkhunter on Wed Oct 26, 2005 at 09:24:58 PM PDT

  •  Is it just me? (none)
    Or did Fox Sports seem like they were in an awful hurry to go off the air?

    "We must all hang together or assuredly we will all hang seperately." - Ben Franklin

    by RandyMI on Wed Oct 26, 2005 at 09:27:44 PM PDT

  •  A Clean Sweep (4.00)
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    We've all heard of the Curse of the Bambino.

    Now we have the Curse of the Arbusto!

    Long live the Curse of the Arbusto!

  •  White Sox in four, huh? (none)
    It's just as I predicted. I guess the check didn't bounce.

    (Congrats anyway!)

    No animals were harmed in the making of this comment.

    by Shiborg on Wed Oct 26, 2005 at 09:28:31 PM PDT

  •  Let the rioting begin! (1.50)
    Pool on the death toll?
      •  Sensitive folks around here (none)
        Just looking at it from the news angle.  Idiots rioting after sports championships is an American tradition.  And it's more noise to distract from Fitzmas.
        •  Actually... (none)
          I apparently spoke too rioting in Chicago that I'm aware of, but I'm in Carbondale (home of Southern Illinois University), once VERY well known for its Halloween riots...and apparently as soon as the game was won...the strip (main street) was full of students freaking out and "rioting"...the cops came in with the tear gas to disperse the crowd...I just hope they didn't flip any cars this time...or throw beer bottles at the fuzz...

          I guess it is just too much to expect drunk college students to behave....

        •  No Deaths, maybe a few arrests.... (none)
          Anyone who lives in Chi-town knows NOT to fuck with the cops.

          Meine dispatcher says there is something wrong mit dinah kable?

          by Hungus on Wed Oct 26, 2005 at 10:07:12 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  especially when they are trying (none)
            to take your pot

            ( offense to the Chi-town cops...I just can't even count the # of times the cops in Chicago took pot from my friends in H.S.)

            •  Thing I love most (none)
              About the Chicago cops -they don't care about the little stuff. You have to give them a big, big reason to get out of their car before they will.

              Of course, if you do give them a reason to care, watch out, but they do not sweat the small stuff.

              Anyone who voted against the patriot act is too good for the Senate

              Feingold for President

              by Goldfish on Wed Oct 26, 2005 at 10:42:35 PM PDT

              [ Parent ]

              •  peaceful demonstration in '68 (none)
                seemed quite worthy to crack some punk-azz-hippie cranium...

                but i digress...back to baseball!

                I don't think anyone anticipated the breach of the levees

                by tinfoilhat on Wed Oct 26, 2005 at 11:11:19 PM PDT

                [ Parent ]

                •  Protests in 1991... (none)
                  ..for Bush War I had very few arrests and no violence whatsoever.

                  The only people who were arrested were those who intentionally blocked the loading dock at the Dirksen Federal Building.  They got out within 24 hours.

                  The Chicago cops then let people sit down in the middle of Lake Shore Drive during rush hour.  Why endanger yourself chasing thugs when you can take a nice walk through downtown Chicago and get paid to do it?

                  Of course, the police terrorism at the 2004 RNC makes the 1968 DNC police terrorism look tame - the Chicago cops didn't make the protesters they arrested sleep in a bus garage with floors covered with oil and hazardous waste; they didn't hold thousands of people without charge for over the legal limit; and the NYC cops of 2004 probably injured people more with pepper spray than the Chicago cops of 1968 did with their vaunted billy clubs.

              •  I'm so excited about this win! (none)
                I can't imagine what it is like to be up in Chicago tonight...and I'm sure the entire weekend will be insanely fun...
        •  Actually (none)
          it is much more of a european tradition. Mostly english and italian.

          And I've been watching WGN's coverage. Wild and crazy partying but none of that stupid stuff those soccer fans do.

        •  Rioting (none)
          after a championship is a recent traditon dating back to the last Tigers' title. My theory is that it coincides with our industrial base (and hence
          oppurtunities) getting smaller. People act more civilized when the pie is getting bigger and more people have a fair chance.

          Na, na, na, na, hey, hey, goodbye! Go Sox!

          "Are you trying to play Darwin to the lemurs in your head?"

  •  damn. (none)
    now i have to deal with sox fans all winter.

    then all season...


    meanwhile, the cubs are planning for next year by adding more revenue streams, also known as bleacher seats.

  •  confession time (3.50)
    I live in Houston but I was rooting for the Sox.  I am actually an Indians fan (hubby is from Cleveland and says he was born an Indians fan doomed to disappointment) but when our team was out, we had to find someone else to root for. The conventional wisdom was that we should root for the Astros because we live here... but we just COULD NOT do it.  We decided to root for the White Sox on the basis of Chicago's political "blueness" and because we just CANNOT be on the same side of anything with Babs Bush.

    Bush: Always Wrong and Never in Doubt

    by Delilah on Wed Oct 26, 2005 at 09:30:29 PM PDT

  •  on behalf of all good decent americans (3.25)
    who are fed up with the macho bs in texas...

    i would like to congratulate the whitesox.. amazing stuff

    and to the reds in texas.. and the governor of texas

     adios mofos

  •  Congratulations, Chicago! (4.00)
    What a team you have there!
  •  poor Brad Lidge ... (none)
    do we have to throw him into the remainder bin with Byung-Hyun Kim and Calvin Schiraldi, or does he still have something left in the tank?

    "Do not offend the Chair Leg of Truth. It is wise and terrible!"

    by section29 on Wed Oct 26, 2005 at 09:38:15 PM PDT

  •  Once again... (2.71)
    ...God says, "Fuck you!" to Texas.  When, oh when, will people listen???

    The last time a Republican told the truth was when Reagan said, "I forgot to duck."

    by Roddy McCorley on Wed Oct 26, 2005 at 09:41:37 PM PDT

  •  Woo Hoo, Sox! (none)
    And won it in front of BabsCo? Priceless.

    Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has. -- Margaret Mead

    by ilona on Wed Oct 26, 2005 at 09:43:30 PM PDT

  •  Let me say it again (4.00)
    WAY TO GO WHITE SOX!! I can not think of a better way to spend my 48th b-day, with the family, watching the White Sox kick some Texas ass.... (Apologizes to texaskos members)
  •  Where's the love... (4.00)
    ... for the working class people of Houston?

    We're not all Bushies down here!

    Goddamn Astros....
     Maybe Fitz will brighten the end of my week..

  •  ever hear of a no hitter? (none)
    a little etiquite. please.
  •  Thanks USA for some great baseball. (4.00)
    I am too tired other than to say that, short as the series was, those were four great games. Kudos to the Astros for making it such but really they never looked like they would win, not with Barbara Bush cheering 'em on.

    Hey, I can get to bed before 7.00 a.m. in the morning again - and start playing golf once more!

    New International Times, the place where Kossacks and the world meet.

    by Welshman on Wed Oct 26, 2005 at 09:47:21 PM PDT

    •  League disparity (none)
      The AL has swept two years straight, and all the big sluggers come from the NL.

      Do you think the leagues are balanced?

      •  I understand what you are saying.. (none)
        ...but my take is that the Red Sox won because they were a collection of great players that any opposition would find difficulty in beating.. The White Sox won because they were a team of players developed and welded together by a great manager - big slugging didn't win it in the end, it was moving a single player into a scoring position by getting a lifetime hitter to work for the team by punting. And the critical big hits in the latter games came from two guys with no records for scoring home runs.

        But I agree, I'm better talking on cricket  :)

        New International Times, the place where Kossacks and the world meet.

        by Welshman on Wed Oct 26, 2005 at 10:29:21 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  Bunting you mean (none)
          Actually, I wasn't flat out saying there was a league disparity. I was just asking. It was something that I started thinking about this summer when I noticed all the big HR years happen in the NL, but most of the dominant pitchers also seem to be there.

          If the DR were to pull a side together, do you think they could be Australia?

        •  Bunting you mean (none)
          Actually, I wasn't flat out saying there was a league disparity. I was just asking. It was something that I started thinking about this summer when I noticed all the big HR years happen in the NL, but most of the dominant pitchers also seem to be there.

          If the DR were to pull a side together, do you think they could be Australia?

  •  Had to give my poor dog a tranquilizer... (4.00)
    There are so many loud bangs of firecrackers (gunshots?) he is really scared, poor thing!

    This is the loudest Wednesday night I can ever recall in the hood...

    It is time Christians were judged more by their likeness to Christ than their notions of Christ. -William Penn

    by chicagochristianleft on Wed Oct 26, 2005 at 09:51:37 PM PDT

  •  Little off topic (none)
    but Paul Begala's post at TPM Cafe: "What It's Like" is gut-wrenching.

    In a good way.


    This ain't yer daddy's Watergate.

    by E Man on Wed Oct 26, 2005 at 09:51:54 PM PDT

  •  Oh my God, (none)
    WLS-TV has Steve Perry on.  Time has not been kind.

    Let's shrink Grover Norquist down to where he can be drowned in the bathtub.

    by jazzmaniac on Wed Oct 26, 2005 at 09:52:45 PM PDT

    •  Wheel in the Sky (none)
      ...looks like he was run over by the Wheel in the Sky. I wonder if Pat Fitzgerald has a boom box with "Open Arms" cued up when he is trying to get plea agreements? Probably not.
  •  OH YEAH, BABY! (4.00)
    Let's hope this is a precursor to a wonderful Fitzmas!

    Babs and Poppy... SUCK ON IT!

    Your shithead kid is toasted soon, get used to hanging your ugly heads in shame!


    Every [weapon] signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed. - Dwight D. Eisenhower

    by racerx on Wed Oct 26, 2005 at 09:56:41 PM PDT

  •  I can't stop yelling... (4.00)
    For as long as I've been old enough to pay attention  to baseball, I've been a Sox fan.  I've suffered rooting for a team that was always second class even in our own city to that much more loveable team up the road.  I've been waiting for this moment for over 30 years.

    And now, I can't stop yelling.  Every five minutes, I have to raise my arms and do my best Howard Dean cry.

    A couple of weeks ago before the playoffs started, I said that I was obsessing on them getting hot and winning it all, like I do about my lottery winnings when the jackpot is $300 million and I've just spent my $5.

    That's what I feel like right now.

  •  I've Been Waiting Since 1977 (none)
    I've been waiting since 1977 for this.  Sox Rule!  Cubs Suck!
  •  My Apologies to Texas Democrats (3.40)
    Both of you. But I can't explain how great it is to have the most blue collar team, from one of the Bluest states, home of Barack Obama, kick the ass of the team from the mother of all red states in 4 games. A shutout. With the redest of president's parents there.

    Hats off to the Chicago White Sox, from the immigrant, multi-ethnic, multi-colored neighborhoods of South Chicago, who beat the Texas energy-pollution capital of the world, Houston--home of Enron and Oil companies run by the ultra-wealthy friends of Bush.

    Well, fuck them. Fuck the Bushes. Fuck Tom DeLay and all the rich rednecks in the Houston suburb of Sugarland. Fuck Kay Hutchinson. Fuck Rick Perry. They've been shipping shit and pollution to the rest of the world for years, and they thought they couldn't lose. The team run by a 41 year-old Venezuelan just kicked their team's ass in a sweep of epic proportions, fueled by the kind of heart and drive that makes baseball the great game that it is.

    Sweeping generalizations, sure. Are there Republicans on the south side of Chicago? Of course. But the symbolism couldn't be more fitting for the times. Considering the problems of the Texas-based junta that has seriously fucked up entire world in 5 long years, this is that final symbolic straw that broke the pipeline's back. Maybe some humble pie will get Texas back on track. Hell, maybe they'll even re-elect Ann Richards.


    Cross-posted at Backstage with Supak.

    •  Well (4.00)
      ...Houston, as well as other big cities in Texas, are fairly diverse, so don't expect us to take a back seat on that front.  Come to Houston sometime.  Aside from the large Hispanic community, you will see a fast growing Asian community (both Southeast and South Asian).  This is also true in DFW, Austin, and San Antoniao.

      In the next five years, Texas will become a minority-majority state.  And the state will be moving Democratic.  The metropolitan areas are already moving in this direction strongly (i.e Dallas).  And Houston, San Antonio, and Dallas all have Democratic mayors.

      Too bad the reality of Texas often gets lost here at DailyKos

      •  look I live in Houston too (4.00)
        ... but don't kid yourself, it still voted for Bush in 2004.  Sure it was more pink than red and sure the state is moving demographically toward more diversity.  But the only really consistently blue parts of Texas are Austin (Travis county), the valley and El Paso. For the moment, we are going to have to bear the burden of being the state that unleashed the WORST PRESIDENT EVER on the world, along with the looniest wackiest wing of the GOP in the form of folks like Delay and Cornyn.  It does no good to point out that Bush was born in Connecticut or that Poppy and BeastMama vacation in Maine.  Bush claims Texas as his home and that means those of us who choose to live here are going to deal with the fallout.  People have the right to be bitter about Texas as a result and frankly, I don't blame them.  That's the burden we'll have to bear unless we can get the likes of Delay out of office.  

        Bush: Always Wrong and Never in Doubt

        by Delilah on Wed Oct 26, 2005 at 10:46:16 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  Well (none)
          Dallas voted for Kerry over Bush, and the trend there is definitely toward Democrats and the gap there will continue to widen.

          I don't actually live in Houston (I actually live in rural NE Texas, which isn't diverse).

          If people outside of Texas want to be bitter about Texas, that's their problem, not mine.  They need to get over themselves.  We have had to live with Bush longer than anybody else,

          •  and as a white dude,,, (none)
            i'm a minority here.

            I don't think anyone anticipated the breach of the levees

            by tinfoilhat on Wed Oct 26, 2005 at 11:17:58 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

          •  I am not trying to argue with you (none)
            I agree with the fact that based on demographics alone, we have a good chance to turn Texas blue.  It is just that for now, a lot of really bad right wing crap has come out of Texas to be unleashed on the rest of the country, and indeed, the world.  And those pissed people have every right to be bitter. And I think the point is that they ARE bitter because Texas gave Bush his stepping stone to launch a political career that has resulted in hell for all of us.  Thus, Bush, and Texas, IS everyone's problem.  Do I like reading all the anti-Texas stuff ? Well no, but is most of the wrath justified? Hell yes!

            Bush: Always Wrong and Never in Doubt

            by Delilah on Wed Oct 26, 2005 at 11:38:27 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

        •  Thanks (none)
          I guess the sarcasm and hyperbole don't go over too well with the steers and queers. </snark>
    •  You are an idiot (none)
      Houston is a blue city, probably as blue as Chicago, so your political bullshit is just that...bullshit.  It was a baseball game, not a jackoff fest for narrow-minded idiots like you.

      Also, it's ironic that you praise Chicago for being "immigrant, multi-ethnic, multi-colored" while ignoring the fact that Houston is probably moreso.  We have a huge latino population, we have a huge Vietnamese population as well as any other sort of ethnic group.  Are white people a minority in Illinois?  I don't think so, but they are in Texas.  Houston is a very diverse city.

      Also, take some responsibility for your country instead of trying to blame it on Houston.  The Bushes came to Texas from ultra-liberal Connecticut.  They are not Texans.  Texas was a Democratic state before the Republicans took over a few years ago and through their corruption made the state theirs.

      Of course, don't let reality get in the way of cocksucking Texas-bashers like you.  Go ahead and have fun, and piss off all of us trying to do something to help make the rest of Texas and the nation a better place such as this Democratic city with a Democratic mayor and a strong multiethnic liberal society.

      •  Bullshit? (none)
        Really? As was pointed out in another post, Houston went for Bush. It's pink, granted, not red. Houston is the "tax home" of the Bush family. HW and Babs were at the game fer Christ's sake.

        I know plenty about Texas. I'm from Arkansas. Spent years as the only non-Texas team in the SW conf. I used to drive to Texarkana when I was 18 for beer. I've watched the state becoming more and more red-neck, stumbling further away from the Willy Nelson, Ann Richards liberalism that made it a decent place.

        Take some responsibility? Hey, you're the ones who let GW become Guvnuh. You're the ones who have one of the most corrupt governments in America. You're the one with white cops arresting whole towns of blacks. The Bush's haven't lived in Conn. in years.

        My bit was hyperbole. I even said so near the end. If you don't get it, it just goes to show that even the liberals in Texas are seriously fucked up.

        Please remember my favorite Texan bumper sticker:

        If God had wanted Texans to ski, he would have made bullshit white.

        Take a little ribbing, bub. It's nothing personal.

        •  I guess you don't see it (none)
          As was pointed out in another post, Houston went for Bush.

          Sure, when you include Sugarland, The Woodlands, and other places an hour's drive from Houston that make up a huge area, but that doesn't really indicate anything about the actual city of Houston.

          Houston is the "tax home" of the Bush family. HW and Babs were at the game fer Christ's sake.

          That has nothing to do with baseball or the people of Houston though.  It's all about how they are rich and powerful.  The majority of the people cheering on the Astros couldn't afford to buy tickets, or weren't powerful enough to be given free tickets like the Bushes (and my boss's boss at work who sat not too far from them.)

          I know plenty about Texas. I'm from Arkansas. Spent years as the only non-Texas team in the SW conf. I used to drive to Texarkana when I was 18 for beer. I've watched the state becoming more and more red-neck, stumbling further away from the Willy Nelson, Ann Richards liberalism that made it a decent place.

          You know a lot about northern Texas, and having lived in Oklahoma I agree with how redneck that part of the state can be.  However, when you talk about Houston, there aren't many cowboys and pickup trucks here.  When you talk about San Antonio, it's like being in Mexico and has as much in common with Texarkana as Chicago does.  When you talk about Austin, it's even more different and much more artsy and liberal.  Texas is a huge state and can't be judged easily by one part.

          Hey, you're the ones who let GW become Guvnuh.

          We're all the ones who let him become president, even though I know I worked my ass off in Ohio last year (I took a temporary job in Ohio so I could try to help in a swing state), and I know many around here did equal and greater efforts.  However, we let Bush win, and we let the Democratic party choose a loser.  We are all to blame for Bush.

          You're the ones who have one of the most corrupt governments in America.

          That doesn't make any sense.  Corruption is corruption in how serious it is in our whole nation.  That's like comparing how pregnant a woman is.  She either is or isn't.  The same goes for our governments in the whole nation.  Most are extremely corrupt, from the top down.

          You're the one with white cops arresting whole towns of blacks.

          What whole town of black people have been arrested in recent history?

          The Bush's haven't lived in Conn. in years.

          It doesn't matter though.  Connecticut and Texas aren't to blame for the Bushes, the whole country is.  I just pointed out the illogic in blaming Texas by associating them with a liberal state that they come from.

          My bit was hyperbole. I even said so near the end. If you don't get it, it just goes to show that even the liberals in Texas are seriously fucked up.

          I know you said it was, but all the Texas-bashing on this site gets old VERY quickly.  It's a regular occurance for people here to make the Democratic equivalent of conservatives joking about how they hope California falls into the ocean, or smartass ignorant comments about Texas or various cities here and such.  It occurs daily, and most people mean it or don't think before they talk.  Most of us in texaskos get pissed off about this, and users have left the site because of all the Texas bashing.  It does nothing but alienate the people from Texas and make so-called "liberals" on this site look just as intolerant as their Republican counterparts.

          Take a little ribbing, bub. It's nothing personal.

          We take the rubbing constantly, and eventually it becomes an irritation.  It has long been an irritation for those of us from Texas, especially when we are working hard to turn Texas back around.  We know that the people of dailykos and the Democratic party don't have our backs in this.  They would rather alternatively ignore us and make us their scapegoats.  Still, we fight on with only each other because it is the right thing to do.

  •  Please don't let Fitzmas be stolen by Bill Buckner (none)
    I'm horribly superstitious and it comes from growing up a Red Sox fan in Boston.

    I learned that if there is a way for a team to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory, they will.

    Last year the Sox (My Sox) won the w.s by beating a red state favorite and I thought surely things augured well for Kerry.


    I'm just worried about the 8th inning ball through the legs on a routine groundout, Fitz.

    •  The Red Sox Had Curt Schilling Who Endorsed Bush (4.00)
      That was the most unprofessional behavior I have seen from an athlete because Schilling put his right-wing extremist politics above his team and politically divided what would have been a jubilant Red Sox Nation.  And that is why I always rank Schilling below all Red Sox pitchers from the past to present to future.
      •  Schilling (none)
        Is just a dumb pitcher who helped bring the Sox a World Series. For this I will always admire him. I may die in a Bush apocolypse, but I will die having seen the Red Sox win the World Series.
    •  The Pats (none)
      I thought the superbowl was more symbolic than the WS.

      Besides, I think Kerry won.

  •  As a die-hard Stros fan and unabashed liberal... (4.00)
    FUCK YOU ALL! Seriously.

    Bush, Enron, and the fucked up Republicans in Texas deserve all the DailyKos heat we can muster,  but when my liberal brethren start slagging on my Astros I get fucking ANGRY.

    FUCK OFF. Keep the politics out of my sports. This team will always be in my heart because they took us Astros fans to a place we never, ever, ever thought possible.

    Stop pissing on a great season.

    Congrats to the Chicago White Sox! 2005 World Series Champions!


    •  Clemens (none)
      That guy is a dirty turn-coat.
    •  Well now they have nowhere to go........ (none)
      I'm not sayin'.  Just Sayin.

      Meine dispatcher says there is something wrong mit dinah kable?

      by Hungus on Wed Oct 26, 2005 at 10:31:19 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  I'd find it easier (none)
      Not to conflate the Astros with the Bushs, if two of the Bushs weren't sitting RIGHT THERE BEHIND THE BATTING CAGE!

      I'm sorry, you guys played great baseball, those were amazing games, but I just can't really like a team that's rooted for by the Mother of All Evil herself.

      Anyone who voted against the patriot act is too good for the Senate

      Feingold for President

      by Goldfish on Wed Oct 26, 2005 at 10:52:19 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  I'm with you man (none)
        I have so many friends here in Houston who are heartbroken about the Astros and I feel for them...I really do.  But I have my own litmus test and it has the name Bush on it.  Way to go, SOX!  

        Bush: Always Wrong and Never in Doubt

        by Delilah on Wed Oct 26, 2005 at 11:29:11 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

    •  I don't appreciate the trash talk (none)
      I don't appreciate the trash talk, either.

      I'm from nowhere near Texas. I think it's unfair, all the nasty comments, it's not very sportsman like, and there's plenty of lefties from Houston.

      Still, it's hard to miss the symbolism of it with Pappy and Babs in their Astros gear right against the fence behind home plate, especially since Jr. himself was owned a MLB club in Texas. It's pretty hard not to dish it out along political lines, particularly so when the team that won is from bluer than blue Chicago, and even more so when the White Sox "live" on the poor side of town, as it were. The dots are all there, it's hard not to connect them.

    •  You' re Right (none)
      Congratulations to the Houston Astros on a fine season and to the city of Houston, Texas--a fine Democratic city.
  •  Don't Mess with Texas? (none)
    The Chicago White Sox just messed up Texas big time.  HAHAHAHA

    Last year, I rooted for the Red Sox but I immediately trashed the Red Sox pitcher Curt Schilling right after he endorsed Bush on Good Morning America just a few hours after the Red Sox's World Series victory.  That was the most unprofessional behavior I have seen from an athlete because Schilling put his right-wing extremist politics above his team and politically divided what would have been a jubilant Red Sox Nation.

    This year, I expect something different.  I want to see Rove and Libby and few others in the White House indicted today.

    The Chicago White Sox - 2005 World Series Champion

  •  Dear Texas people with twisted knickers (3.60)
    Your team lost.  Part of the deal that goes along with playing and losing is accepting that the other team's fans get to gloat and trash talk.  That's the way it works.  If you can't take that, you might consider avoiding conversations about the contest your team just lost.  It's a little freakin' silly to get one's knickers in a twist about the winning team enjoying their win.  Seriously.
  •  Fireworks and cars honking outside our street (4.00)

    Someone has been shooting off professional grade fireworks in Logan Square here in Chicago ... and cabs and trucks are honking like crazy around here.

    Local media showing thousands at The Cell waving flags and dancing.

    They are expected a big crowd at O'Hare later, too, to meet the team when they fly back.

    I'm sure there is celebration my home country, the Dominican Republic where so many of the White Sox players are from (Uribe, Vizcaino, Felix Diaz, Arnaldo Munoz,  Pedro Lopez, Timonel Perez, Pablo Uzuna).

    Great job from all the players.

    Go White Sox!

    •  I'm just north of Logan Square (none)
      I can hear the booms.

      On the local Fox station, I loved it when Ozzie held up the championship trophy and said "This is for Venezuela!"

      Ozzie for mayor!

    •  It will be Midway, not O'Hare, (none)
      and one of the news anchors (I'm flipping around feverishly, I couldn't even tell you who it was,) just said that the team will celebrate and sleep in Houston tonight and return to Chicago sometime later in the day tomorrow, perhaps the afternoon.

      Let's shrink Grover Norquist down to where he can be drowned in the bathtub.

      by jazzmaniac on Wed Oct 26, 2005 at 10:26:06 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  I HeardThose (none)
      And I'm at Francisco/George.....

      Good Stuff, but it didn't last as long as I expected......

      Meine dispatcher says there is something wrong mit dinah kable?

      by Hungus on Wed Oct 26, 2005 at 10:34:44 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  In Addition.... (none)
        Since I now know there are Kossacks in LSq, How 'bout a Meetup at Small Bar (Albany/Wellington) on Mondays.  I go there to watch MNF every week anyway, and they have a special of $3 Stella's.  Just look for the guy in the Black Hat.

        Meine dispatcher says there is something wrong mit dinah kable?

        by Hungus on Wed Oct 26, 2005 at 10:51:19 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

    •  Well, danm (none)
      Even the North Side is getting in on the celeberation.

      Anyone who voted against the patriot act is too good for the Senate

      Feingold for President

      by Goldfish on Wed Oct 26, 2005 at 10:58:23 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Congrats from the other Sox (none)
    As a fan of the team you swept on your way, let me pay you a great compliment:

    You played baseball the way the Patriots played football during the last 4 years.

    •  Typical Boston sports fan. (none)
      Everything is not always about the Red Sox or even the precious Patriots.  

      "As the Constitution endures, persons in every generation can invoke its principles in their own search for greater freedom." Justice Kennedy, Lawrence v Texas

      by HillaryGuy on Wed Oct 26, 2005 at 10:31:38 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  No Its not (none)
        Part of it is about being vindictive towards the Yankees.

        I took great joy walking through mid-town with my Sox hat on the day after the Yankees suffered the biggest choke in North American sports history.

      •  One more thing (none)
        The Pats comment had to do with the specific style of play.

        Very intense and error free.

        Rather than having flashy hot-heads like Parcells, or Paul O'Neil, the Pats and White Sox played mostly without big name players. They both kept winning when no-one wanted them to or gave them credit.

        (The White Sox are even overshadowed in their hometown by a club that hardly ever spends on payroll).

        •  You WISH Your Team Had Paul O'Neill! (none)
          Paul O'Neill was far more than a "flashy hot-head." He was a team player who cared passionately for his team and the game of baseball, which is why he played the way he did--he CARED. That's why Yankees fans adored the man, and why he is my favorite player of all time. I was lucky enough to meet him at a signing for his book, "Me & My Dad," and he was gracious and kind.

          Baseball should have more Paul O'Neills.

          Parcells, on the other hand...that tratorious bastard left my J-E-T-S and wound up with the hated Cowboys. Screw him.

  •  I don't think there's a person (4.00)
    in the White Sox organization that doesn't admire and respect the Astros.  The Sox had to fight for every run, every win.  And being from Chicago, I know all too well that feeling of a broken heart that a baseball team can give you.
    I was surprised to learn that this series' ratings have been quite low.  Chicago's the third-largest city in the country, Houston is the fourth.  I thought the ratings would be better.  

    Let's shrink Grover Norquist down to where he can be drowned in the bathtub.

    by jazzmaniac on Wed Oct 26, 2005 at 10:09:12 PM PDT

    •  Houston is not a "big market" team... (none)
      so I have heard. I am not sure about Chicago, because I'm not from around there. But that maybe part of the reason why the series got low tv ratings.
      •  Well the Chicago TV market (none)
        is the third largest TV market in the country, with a total metropolitan population of around eight million.  I'm not sure how large Houston's TV market is and I was actually surprised to learn that it's the fourth largest city in the USA.  I would have guessed Atlanta.
        Ever since WGN became one of cable TV's earliest "superstations," the Cubs have had a strong following outside the Chicago area.  
        A Cardinals/White Sox series would have been interesting, a true intrastate rivalry, as the downstaters are Cards fans.

        Let's shrink Grover Norquist down to where he can be drowned in the bathtub.

        by jazzmaniac on Wed Oct 26, 2005 at 10:30:10 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

      •  speaking of low ratings for the series (none)
  •  A message for the Democrats (4.00)
    It's not about stars.  It's about team.  And winning.

    Get on the same page.  Eye on the prize and all that.

    After they're found guilty, put bags over their heads, rendition `em to Gitmo, and shackle them, naked, to the floor.

    by Bob Johnson on Wed Oct 26, 2005 at 10:10:11 PM PDT

  •  Congrats White Sox Fans.... (4.00)
    As a diehard Astros fans I extend my congrats to fans of the White Sox. The Sox played a great series and you should all be proud of your team. I was very impressed with Joe Crede and Juan Uribe's catch on Chris Burke's foul ball. I consider that the play of the series.

    I am pretty disappointed that my team came up short. But as an Astros's I am still proud of my team considering they started the season 15 games below .500 and won the National League title. It's been a fun ride.

    The media has reported that this Series recieved low television ratings. But the people that tuned out lost out on watching some exciting baseball. There wasn't a single moment in which I got bored.

    Someone mentioned it already upthread, but I agree with the statement that Shoeless Joe Jackson must be smiling tonight somewhere. (Either that maybe I have just watched "Field of Dreams" way too many times.)

    •  Crede and Uribe (4.00)
      have been awesome all year. Gold Glove stuff out of both of them. That catch by Uribe is stuff that Champions do. His throws too.

      Hats off to your Astros. Excellent team... and Backe pitched a hell of a game tonight. I knew we had a chance once they pulled him out. Equally could see we weren't going to score a run as long as he was in.

      Great Series! But this was one of those classical magical years for a team and this year that team was the Chicago White Sox. There was no way they were going to lose. First place wire to wire this year.


  •  Obama does look (4.00)
    good in a Sox jersey:

    I know there are mant liberal Houston fans out there, but it was fun to see the look on George and Barbara's face when they lost.

    Bush is so exhausted by all these scandals that he is praying for another disaster like a flood or a hurricane so he can kick back and do nothing. -Bill Maher

    by jj32 on Wed Oct 26, 2005 at 10:13:50 PM PDT

  •  southside rules (none)
    for the next few days the sox will be the team in town but never fear the cubs will regain there place as the best liked team of losers in chicago. maybe the trib will finally sell the team so the cubs fans can have a real team like the white sox had this year..there`s always next year cubs fans....
    •  don't flame me (4.00)
      But after attending games at both parks back in 96, I came to the conclusion that White Sox fans were more interested in baseball, and Cubs fans were more interested in Goose Island and the social scene.
      •  Hmmm (none)
        I've heard other people say that.

        The one time I've been to Wrigley I was paying too much attention to the game to notice what other people were doing.


      •  You're dead on (none)
        The Cubs games were all about tourists coming in a saying 'hey, did you see me on WGN?'...and lotsa bars (good ones, but really, really into the scenesters).  Also, tons of yuppie-types at the Cubs games.

        Sox games are about neighborhood, working-class bars and the game of baseball.  Much hotter chicks at the Cubs games, but, by far, better, more astute baseball fans at Sox games.

        Hate to say it, but I like the Sox way more than I ever liked the Cubs.  Throw in the fact that I have a Japanese wife and Iguchi is the first Japanese player to win a World Series, and I am in heaven.

        •  Ball Parks (none)
          I did enjoy the Goose Island though.

          Either park was better than the fans in Seattle (cheering for the cartoons between innings more than the game).

          Congrats from a fan of the former champion Sox to the current ones.

      •  Didn't used to be that way (none)
        but Wrigley became cool and it has been downhill ever since. When I was a kid there was good baseball and good baseball people in both parks but then Wrigley became yuppieville. No longer had anything to do with Ernie "It's a Great Day for baseball... Let's play two!" Banks.

        Shame really.

      •  This is very true (4.00)
        And very much the reason I'm a Sox fan north of Madison street.

        Anyone who voted against the patriot act is too good for the Senate

        Feingold for President

        by Goldfish on Wed Oct 26, 2005 at 11:01:22 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

    •  Rumor is (none)
      that the Tribune company just may be looking for a buyer for the Cubs.  Apparently their media empire has fallen on "hard" times since recent rulings on media ownership are forcing them to divest themselves of some holdings.
      BTW-Am I the only one who thinks that Bill Veeck is looking down smiling tonight also?

      Let's shrink Grover Norquist down to where he can be drowned in the bathtub.

      by jazzmaniac on Wed Oct 26, 2005 at 10:21:29 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Being a Lifelong North Sider Myself... (4.00)
    I'm still delighted by the outcome.  Go Sox!

    Independent Illinois Grassroots:

    by patachon on Wed Oct 26, 2005 at 10:18:50 PM PDT

  •  <b>BEST WEEK EVER!!!!!</b> (4.00)


    "When people show you who they are, believe them, the first time." - Maya Angelou

    by Moxie Gurl on Wed Oct 26, 2005 at 10:19:07 PM PDT

  •  Bush Sr. (4.00)
    I was in a gay sports bar on the north side, and the place went crazy!

    Funny side note - every time FOX showed the Bush family, the whole place booed!

    I love being in a blue city/state. :)

    "I was raised in the West. The west of Texas. It's pretty close to California. In more ways than Washington, D.C., is close to California." - George W. Bush

    by ChgoBrad on Wed Oct 26, 2005 at 10:25:00 PM PDT

    •  From the Bronzeville Neighborhood (4.00)
      and about baseball-
      as reported in the Chicago Tribune tonight:

      " And Jarrette Walls, 36, was in a Bronzeville bar thinking about his pee-wee league baseball coach, who was drafted to play for the White Sox and then drafted to fight in Vietnam. He lost an arm and lost his dreams of baseball, but went on to make high school and college players out of kids like Walls, and he remains a Sox fan to this day."

      "I know he's watching this somewhere," Walls said. "This is what he waited his whole life for."

      2005 World Series Champions: The Chicago White Sox

  •  Not again! (none)
    I bought into the omen of good things to come when the Red Sox won 4 straight over the Yankees and then 4 straight over the Cardinals to break their curse and win the World Series.

    I ain't buyin' it this time! :+)

    Nope! I'll celebrate when the indictments come down, when it becomes a "real deal", no pun intended. :+)

    Anyway, I was rooting for the Astros. I wanted Biggio and Bagwell to get a ring.

    When you consider something sacred, you will never pollute it.

    by Dmitri in San Diego on Wed Oct 26, 2005 at 10:26:34 PM PDT

  •  I hope this means the season is over. n/t (none)

    We're all in this together.

    by JTML on Wed Oct 26, 2005 at 10:27:37 PM PDT

  •  Chicago White Sox 2005 World Champions (4.00)
    For Bill Melton, Carlos May, Pat Kelly, Buddy Bradford, Walt Williams, Ed Herrman, Bart Johnson, Chet Lemon, Roland Hemond, Jack McDowell, Luis Aparacio, Dick Allen, Wilbur Wood, and so many more.

    And of course, for Buck Weaver and Shoeless Joe Jackson.

  •  I grew rooting for the White Sox (none)
    all the way back to 1957.

    The retrospective on the players of the past brought back so many memories.

    This is so sweet!!

    Someday, after the forest fire of the Right has died we'll say "Whew, I'm happy that's over."

    by CanYouBeAngryAndStillDream on Wed Oct 26, 2005 at 10:48:05 PM PDT

  •  Heh, (none)
    though not a sports fan, heh,

    and, did I say heh?
    just sayin,
    ya know,

    What an excellent day for an Excorcism... SCI/Kenyon

    by DianeL on Wed Oct 26, 2005 at 10:48:12 PM PDT

  •  Working Class Team (4.00)
    White Sox have always been the working class team in Chicago. I hope this is a sign for the future for the working class in America. Hopefully It start with a a very merry Fitzmas.
    Growing up a diehard Sox fan in Chicago this is surreal. I was ten years old when the Sox played in the series in 59. Opening game one of the 2005 Series, Louis Aparicio threw out the first pitch surrounded by Billy Pierce, Jim Landis, Jungle Jim Riveria and other boyhood heros. This would have been a memorable sight for me, except FOX didn't broadcast it! I hate thoes SOB's.
    My Father's favorite ball player was Luke Appling, hall of fame shortstop for the Sox in the 30's and 40's. Lifetime 326 batting average, his nickname was old "Aches and Paines". Now my fathers name was Ed and nickname Cozy, but he used to brag about Luke Appling so much at work that the fellas at work used to call him "Old Luke". This name was known at work and amoung our immediate family, but thats as far as it went. Well my Dad past away in 62 and we had a typical Irish family funeral. My Aunt was stuck in a corner with two of my Dads coworker and they were goin on about "Old Luke" this and "Old Luke" that, needless to say my Aunt was perplexed. She pulled me and my Mother aside and said "I think these two guys are at the wrong funeral." They keep talking about "Old Luke". We laughed ourselves to tears.
    Somewhere, my Father is happy beyond belief tonight!
  •  First Thing I Did (4.00)
    I watched the game at my local bar and as the final out was recorded I hugged a complete stranger and lifted him in the air in triumph.

    I needed to do something to make this victory perfect.  I live two blocks away from Wrigley Field, home of the biggest con game in sports history.  I hate the place, the fans that go there and the organiation that avoids winning at all costs.

    I walked over to the ballpark and notice that there wasn't as heavy security around the park that I thought there was.  There were a lot of cars honking their horns and lots of Sox fans celebrating on the sidewalks.

    I got to the front of the ballpark, turned to face the sign in front of the park, and proceeded to give the double bird to the field, in definance and to signal that the Cubs are no longer the top dogs in Chicago.



  •  Chisox rock! (4.00)
    I normally pull for the Cubs, as the White Sox are an AL Central rival to my beloved Detroit Tigers, but being a huge fan of the city of Chicago, I was pulling for the Sox in this one.

    If the Cubs win it next year, I think we'll see the seas part or something....

    I've got the fever for the flavour, the payback will be later, still I need a fix - Bran Van 3000

    by Linnaeus on Wed Oct 26, 2005 at 10:54:42 PM PDT

  •  Congratulations America!! (4.00)
    Once again an American team has won the World Series... our domination in this sport over the whole world is a testement to our mighty nation!


    PS: is there room in here for sarcasm?

    PPS: ok, that's once this century, see you next century.

  •  I am so freak'n proud (4.00)
    Of my city right now, you can't even imagine.

    Second city? Second to who exactly? Ha!

    Anyone who voted against the patriot act is too good for the Senate

    Feingold for President

    by Goldfish on Wed Oct 26, 2005 at 11:03:02 PM PDT

  •  This BoSox fan (4.00)
    still can't get used to hearing that Chicago team referred to as "the Sox"... A year ago tomorrow night the tears rolled down my face as the other Sox made a dream come true. Congrats Southsiders, and a toast to yet another drought ended!
  •  I was there!! (none)
    Incredible!  Unbelievable!  Go Go Sox!!

    Fox News--As fair as a Florida Election, as balanced as Ann Coulter when she forgets her medicine.

    by Dizzy on Wed Oct 26, 2005 at 11:12:50 PM PDT

  •  It Has Finally Kicked In (none)
    I was more in shock once the White Sox won but I jumped into the shower about 30 minutes ago and just started singing the we are the champions song. Damn, that felt good!!

    A strange feeling washed over me and now I'm totally relaxed and somewhat euphoric. I can't wait for the parade and victory celebration.

    I've paid my dues -
    Time after time -
    I've done my sentence
    But committed no crime -
    And bad mistakes
    I've made a few
    I've had my share of sand kicked in my face -
    But I've come through

    We are the champions - my friends
    And we'll keep on fighting - till the end -
    We are the champions -
    We are the champions
    No time for losers
    'Cause we are the champions - of the world -

    I've taken my bows
    And my curtain calls -
    You brought me fame and fortuen and everything that goes with it -
    I thank you all -

    But it's been no bed of roses
    No pleasure cruise -
    I consider it a challenge before the whole human race -
    And I ain't gonna lose -

    We are the champions - my friends
    And we'll keep on fighting - till the end -
    We are the champions -
    We are the champions
    No time for losers
    'Cause we are the champions - of the world -

  •  Not Safe at Home (none)
    This is a nice victory. Now we need to win the one that brings the troops home. You can start with the peace positive dove car magnet (you gotta see my wife's beautiful design). Step up to the plate and show your support at
  •  Well... (none)
    ...I can appreciate anything that causes a moment of consternation for the Family Bush.

    But I was pulling for the Astros.  My supervisor's son-in-law (Mike Lamb) plays for them and I had hopes that they'd do better.  Playing in the World Series is an abstract concept for most of us.  To actually be in the stands and have a close family member on the or lose, I'm sure it's a time they'll remember with pride for the rest of their lives.

    The series reminded me of the Yankees-Padres sweep a few years back.  It wasn't that San Diego got outclassed.  It just seemed that whenever a big moment was needed, San Diego came up a few inches short and the Yankees did what they needed.  Same with Houston.  They had plenty of chances, but just didn't get it done.  In contrast, the Sox got the hits, the plays, the strikeouts they needed when they needed them.

    Congratulations to the long-suffering fans in Chicago.  Congratulations to both teams for a great season.

  •  What's the World Series? (none)
    I live in the world, yet I have never heard of it.
  •  That's a White Sox winner!! (none)
    What a month this has been. I turned 40, won a golf tournament at my club, watched Notre Dame return to the top tier of college football, had my mind blown by a surprise birthday party, witnessed the disintegration of the Bush crime family, and now have seen my White Sox win the World Series.

    I can't adequately explain how happy I am tonight.

    Go Sox!!

  •  Uh cool Yahh, I guess... (none)
    So growing up in NY and now living in San Francisco. I am really only concerned with the Mets, the Islanders, the (NY) Giants and and any team that has every rivaled them. The White Sox has always been a whatever. I guess it's good for them but in reality I say whatever.
  • with egg on its face (none)
    They had something like sixteen experts predict the outcome before the playoffs started, and NONE picked the Sox to win the series.
  •  asdf (none)
    'The home team of Barack Obama and Patrick Fitzgerald defeated the Houston Astros right in front of the Bush family.'

    nuff said.

  •  well (none)
    The BOSTON red sox did win last year, and we all know happened to our beantowns finest in 2004!

    John Kerry 2008, still bumperstickered, still fighting for the truth, still the one.

    by desiunion on Thu Oct 27, 2005 at 01:03:20 AM PDT

  •  Astros Defeated in Front of Bushes... (none)

     Why do Jesse Owens and the 1936 Olympics spring to mind?


    . . . religion is not a syllogism, but a poem. H.L. Mencken

    by BenGoshi on Thu Oct 27, 2005 at 01:04:26 AM PDT

  •  Yah baby, but was it just me who noticed? (none)
    Being an old Sox fan this is too great.  But strange about this Red and Blue state thing.  Until the third game I didn't pay attention to the crowd in general until I saw Barbara Bush behind home plate.  And then I began to notice that many of the people in the best seats didn't have kids nor look like your average baseball fan.  Like well dressed couples in their 60's. Very few shots of younger people and kids and your normal baseball goofs.  It was apparant that some major "class action" was going on in Houston in who got the best seats.

    But I didn't notice that in particular when the Sox where at home.  They the fans reminded me of the days when I watched the Sox at the old park. (Haven't been to the new one as I live looong ways off now.)

    Don't know...maybe the stadium seating reflected something about Blue and Red state ideas about heirarchy and class.

    But anyway.  Congrats to a team that played like a team, and that always produces great baseball.

    •  Nope. You're right. (none)
      Houston is a very class-stratified culture.  The rich have the poor over a barrel and they like it that way.  Everybody gets their admission to any consequential event through personal connections.  The hoi-polloi are shut out.  There is no such thing as public spirit, only private greed.

      Just like the Bush White House.

      "Out here in the middle, where the center's on the right, and the ghost of William Jennings Bryan preaches every night..."

      by Nineteen Kilo on Thu Oct 27, 2005 at 05:50:58 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  and somewhere... (none)
    ..."Hawk" (The Homer) Harrelson puts it on the board (YES!)

    Even tho I loathe Pierzynski he is a marvelous player, gotta hand it to him.  His head, although swelled with swagger, is always in the game.

    Loving it that the only African-American GM wins it, and was so central to their success given that only 3 of the 25 guys were homegrown prospects.  The signing of Dye, who seemed snakebit here in Oakland, turned out to be a masterstroke.  Getting Garcia was also awesome... he pitched phenomenally tonight.

    And yeah, watching the geriatric Bushes suffer the sweep right there in the front row was priceless.

  •  Thinking of all the players (none)
    I've seen thru the years:  Sherm Lollar, Billy Pierce, Jim Rivera, Minnie, nellie and on and on.  Thinking of my mom and cousins who loved the Sox who are now gone.  This is a happy day for us in Chicago.  I'm not the fan I was when I was younger, so for all of you out there who are the real, big heart fans and who didn't fall by the wayside a bit  - congratulations.

    God bless our city.

    The beneficiaries are likely to be...large corporations and development firms. (O'Connor, J. dissenting in Kelo). God bless you, J. O'Connor.

    by xanthe on Thu Oct 27, 2005 at 04:20:41 AM PDT

  •  What a great, great series. (4.00)
    I just love this White Sox team. I love Ozzie and all the great pitchers, and I'm so happy for Frank Thomas who kept this team afloat for so many years. And I'm happy for my dad (and all the other old timers). I like to think there's a sports bar in heaven where the Schlitz flows like water.

    And Astros fans, you've got a great team. Kept me on pins and needles every second of every inning because even though the Sox swept, the Astros were in every game until the very end.

  •  Sox Win (none)
    and we still managed to get some decent sized crowds at peace rallies across the Chicago Metro area.
  •  big deal Mission accomplished (none)
    the insurgents will rise in April.

    "Fitz, don't fail me now !!" ~~Mantan Moreland, bug-eyed actor in "King of the Zombies", 1941

    by seesdifferent on Thu Oct 27, 2005 at 04:55:27 AM PDT

  •  Not even George and Babs could spoil this!! (none)
    They seemed to haunt half the images on my TV screen last night, but George and Barbara ended up being minor annoyances as this South Side native and longtime Sox fan watched in delight as the White Sox won the World Series!
  •  Gotta admit. (none)
    Today is a fun day to be a Chicago native living in Houston.  Stick a finger in their eye and all.  But it would have been sweeter if the 'stros had put up a bigger fight and forced the series back home.

    "Out here in the middle, where the center's on the right, and the ghost of William Jennings Bryan preaches every night..."

    by Nineteen Kilo on Thu Oct 27, 2005 at 05:46:09 AM PDT

    •  Boo! (none)
      No poster of quality has ever preferred college football to baseball. Admittedly I will be happily watching when Mizzou is in the bowl game.

      "If I am not for myself, who will be for me? If I am only for myself, who am I? And if not now, when?" (Hillel was a liberal)

      by 4jkb4ia on Thu Oct 27, 2005 at 11:26:02 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Astros fan here (3.33)
    Congrats to all you Sox fans. They played well.

    Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel. -Samuel Johnson

    by bhlogger on Thu Oct 27, 2005 at 06:11:50 AM PDT

    •  Devtob (none)
      Gotta ask why my congratulating the White Sox would elicit a 2 rating from you.

      Oh wait. I get it. It's retaliation since I rated your Texas/Astro-bashing comments "marginal".

      rolling my eyes

      Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel. -Samuel Johnson

      by bhlogger on Thu Oct 27, 2005 at 09:04:54 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  put me down for that too... (none)
        marginal ratings over my barbara bush comments?

        I mean, if you wanna give bad ratings over a baseball game outcome comments, well, you know, glass houses.

        •  asdf (none)
          Guess I'm sick and tired of my own fellow Democrats bashing Texas. Every. single. day. Every single day I read comments bashing Texas on this and other sites. And now, to try to say that the Astros deserve to lose because Barbara Bush is ugly and Dubya sucks? It's just a bit too much for me. I'm not only fighting the GOP, I'm fighting my fellow liberals who want to lump Texas up in one nice red ball and label it "BAD".


          Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel. -Samuel Johnson

          by bhlogger on Thu Oct 27, 2005 at 09:40:51 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  I understand... (none)
            Like I said, I live there for over 20 years...and I am a rabid bleeding heart liberal.  At the same time, I was ashamed of Texas for electing Bush, for not reelecting Ann Richards, and for voting for Bush as President.  

            You have got to appreciate the symbolism can't live in Texas and love Texas and not love it when there is a symbolic slap-down from a blue state, no????

            C'mon...admit it...a small part of you sees this point, huh?  

          •  and I changed that rating... (none)
            because I don't agree with either of the twos that we both gave, and all I can do is change my part.
          •  I think (none)
            Blaming it all on Texas it's a great way to deflect responsibility.

            I don't think people around the world care much which bastard US president was born in which state.

  •  Bittersweet victory for me (none)
    I've been up all night watching the game as it started at 1 am in Scotland. I slept in my front room during all of the games as my hubby's best friend is living with us and I gladly gave him my bed so I could watch the Sox.

    I am over the moon about my beloved Sox winning but I am also sad that I wasn't able to watch it with my folks.

    It's really special because my 85 year old granny missed going to the '59 Series because she just had a baby and she thought she'd never see it happen.

    It was also great to see 41 and Emperor Palpatine faces when their team lost.

    To the Astros fans-- you all have nothing to be ashamed of. You had us on the ropes for the entire series and I never thought you were a team of minnows. You're still the NL Champs.

    All you Chicago based Sox fans, please have a beer for me!

    Peace if possible, justice at any rate

    by conturnedred on Thu Oct 27, 2005 at 06:30:54 AM PDT

  •  Good for the folks of South Side, but... (none)
    Jerry Reinsdorf is the most reactionary anti-union owner in MLB. So pardon me if my joy is somehwat muted.

    'Put Marvin Miller in the Hall of Fame!'

    by PDavitt on Thu Oct 27, 2005 at 06:53:32 AM PDT

  •  Congratulations, White Sox (none)
    As someone who was rooting for the Astros (at heart, being from DC, I'm a Nationals fan) because I like teams with the best pitching staffs (not that the Sox pitching staff is shabby at all), I congratulate the White Sox on their World Series Championship.  Who would have thought that Roger Clemens, Andy Pettite, and Roy Oswalt all couldn't get the job done for the Astros?  The Sox deserved to win, and did so.  They were the superior team.

    The quest for freedom, dignity, and the rights of man will never end. - Justice Brennan

    by jim bow on Thu Oct 27, 2005 at 07:23:43 AM PDT

  •  Finally... (none)
    the White Sox have won the WORLD SERIES!!!  Sorry Cubs, but you're the only shitty team left. Perhaps you can get a manager like Ozzie, selfless players like Konerko and Podsednik, and an actual desire to win! Just play the game and you'll do fine.  But for now, the SOX own you.  Go SOX Go SOX!!!!!

    From a southsider crying with JOY!


    In the Clinton administration we worried the president would open his zipper. In the Bush administration, they worry the president will open his mouth.-Carville

    by dime rip cfh on Thu Oct 27, 2005 at 07:40:29 AM PDT

  •  BOO!!!! (none)
    White Sox suck!  Apparently the Astros suck harder though.
  •  Astros fan... (none)
    was heard to mutter, "Greaaaat, the Bushies are rooting for my team, if that's not the kiss of death right now I don't what is."  

    Houston fan, sorry, your team just flat out got beat.  It was karma, plain and simple, a healthy dose of it too.

    I was kind of hoping Jenks would go Reggie Jackson style from "Naked Gun" and dose one of the Bushies.  

  •  Good job (none)
    I said to my husband, "Would you have liked the Cardinals to get embarrassed like that?" Even Roy Oswalt was no savior. My mom observed that it is very strange to have a winning team with Dustin Hermanson as your closer.

    "If I am not for myself, who will be for me? If I am only for myself, who am I? And if not now, when?" (Hillel was a liberal)

    by 4jkb4ia on Thu Oct 27, 2005 at 11:20:08 AM PDT

  •  Hypocrites. (none)
    Complete, total hypocrites.

    I said the exact same thing as the person I was responding to, and you two both gave that comment "4" ratings.

    That makes you hypocrites.  How does it feel?

  •  So how'd they do it? (none)
    I'm still trying to figure out how they put this all together. I've been a Sox fan all my life and I can hardly believe it. They were a 22 to 1 shot to win it all.

    They didn't get the free agent they wanted at shortstop and had to settle for Uribe and he makes two brilliant plays to end the series. They pick up an injury prone Jermaine Dye to play right field in place of Ordonez who they said was injured much worse than he let on. They trade allstar Lee to Milwaulkee for a white base stealing centerfielder - Posednik - with a lifetime average of .259 and hamstring problems. I never even heard of him. The only big hitter they have left besides Konerko is Big Frank Thomas and for the second year in row he goes down to injury. Rowand and Crede were on the verge of being suspects instead of prospects. Iguchi was a guess at second, nobody knew if he could hit American pitching. Peirzynski besides his former life as a hated Twin was said to be a cancer in the Giants' clubhouse more interested in besting his teammates at cards and badmouthing the pitching staff than winning games.

    And the pitching. We knew Buerhle was good, Garcia was steady but Contreras was a .500 pitcher with a 5+ ERA who had never lived up to his billing and had failed miserably with the Yanks against Boston a couple years ago. Garland was a bonus baby with the Cubs and had about run out of chances too. Brought up too young and with all the stuff in the world but prone to ovethrowing and imploding in the middle innings. So he comes out and puts it all together and is the best pitcher in baseball for the first half of the season. And the bullpen, Pollitte who's bounced around forever pitches lights out. They start the year with Takatsu the Japanese sidearmer who saved 37 games last year as the closer but he flamed out early on. They sent him down and then cut him. Then Ozzie says he'll have a closer by committee which is always a bad sign but soon Hermanson takes over. Then his back goes out. Jenks who was cut by the Angels in December as a headcase comes up from double A and becomes the closer down the stretch in a pennant race for God's sake as Cleveland closes in.

    The media spends the last half of August and September talking about the "collapse". The Chicago papers point to the similarities to the Cubs in 1969. Ozzie says if the Sox win it all he may retire and run for mayor. ESPN says he's losing it, he probably won't even make it to the postseason. Cleveland plays unbelievable ball the second half til the last week of the season.
    The Sox lose to KC and 3 straight to the Angels in early Sept. Their lead dwindles from 15 to 1-1/2.
    But in the last two weeks they sweep the Twins, split with Detroit and sweep the not ready for primetime Indians and their dreams out of the playoffs. In Cleveland.

    We all know what happened next.

    They did all this with exactly one guy hitting 40 homers, nobody hitting higher than .290, no pitcher with more than 154 strikeouts. How? They played real baseball with what they had. They moved the runners over with bunts. Manufactured runs. Wore out pitchers by fouling off pitches until they got one they could hit. Played great defense giving their pitchers the confidence they needed to stay around the plate all day instead of nibbling. They never quit or mailed it in. All business. You could see it when Crede I think it was hit a homerun against the Angels. As he came back to the dugout 4 or 5 guys congratulated him but in the foreground you could see two other players discussing hitting. Instead of jumping up and down they were figuring out how to finish off the pitcher. Never too up, never too down. No whining, never getting distracted by the weather, the roof or bad calls.

    The credit goes to GM Kenny Williams for putting this team together and Ozzie and Don Cooper the pitching coach. They and circumstances kept these guys focused. Williams resisted calls for picking up big names at the Allstar break getting Jeff Blum for a minor leaguer. Blum hit what? two homeruns all season and hits one to win a World Series game. That about says it all doesn't it?

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