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Well look what we have here. Tim Chapman at Townhall has the entire Democratic document that Chris Matthews called "disgusting", and which Republican liars from Drudge on down are using as the basis of their claim that Democrats attacked Alito for being Italian American. Yeah, the attack I talked about here.

Only one problem. Read the so-called "disgusting" memo. It doesn't say anything like that. Do a search. The word "Italian" isn't even in it. The whole so-called "outrage" has been a complete fabrication by Chris Matthews, by Matt Drudge, and by the perennially race-baiting right.

Oh, by all means, the memo talks about 'Scalito', a long-held nickname given to Alito by legal friend and foe alike to describe his far right, Scalia-like views.

And -- horror of horrors -- one point out of fifteen talks about a case where as a U.S. Attorney, Alito failed to win convictions of twenty mobsters after the longest criminal trial in U.S. history.

Doesn't say anything even remotely implying Alito had any connection to the mobsters except prosecuting them and apparently botching the case. Doesn't say anything at all about Alito being an Italian American. Doesn't imply jack-shit about it.

So Chris "Fair Game" Matthews, in addition to being the smarmy sack of pundit crap that we always knew he was, flatly made up the part about the Italian American slam in the memo. He lied. He put two-and-two together in his own head, and came up with Mobsters = Italian = Alito as his own slam, then sold it as a "disgusting" Democratic attack.

Let the bastard hear about it tomorrow. He fabricated the entire race-baiting slam in his own warped head. Ask him why he did it, because as an Italian American I'm interested in hearing that.

Thanks to Red State for pointing me at the actual memo, even though they lacked even the basic, primitive integrity to at any point actually tell us what it really said. Ditto to the mental geniuses of Town Hall, who went out of their way to publish a document proving flatly that they lied about their own smear.

Oh, and Drudge? I'm not nearly done with you on this one. Did Matthews come up with the attack on his own, or did he suck it directly out of your sorry teat? And who gave you the story to push?

Originally posted to Daily Kos on Mon Oct 31, 2005 at 07:49 PM PST.

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  •  All rightey then (4.00)
    Let's rumble!
    •  FWIW (none)
      When I said to filibuster Alito, I refer to his conservative views, not his ethnic heritage.

      Is all this because his nickname is Scalito?

      Evan Bayh 2008
      Miller for KY Governor 2007
      http://kydem.blogspot.com

      by dsolzman on Mon Oct 31, 2005 at 07:50:44 PM PST

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      •  Chris Matthews is a jackass... (none)
        I'm sending a letter now.....
        •  The name is not new (none)
          The nickname comes from two years back from lawyer friends, not from the Dems:

          http://www.law.com/...

          •  it means 'little Scalia' (none)
            hardly a racist slur, save the bigoted presumption that anything Italian must be derogatory.

            when i was very young my Italian grandfather used to call me skungito, or 'little skunk.'  i've no idea if it's even a proper word in Italian.  in any event, Scalito isn't just an Italian-sounding combination of the two names, but a grammatically correct way of combining the names so as to refer to Alito as a little Scalia.

            There ought to be a science of discontent.

            by dreamsign on Mon Oct 31, 2005 at 08:53:03 PM PST

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        •  Someone should send (none)
          this diary to Tweety>

          "Mommy, did people know that Bush was stupid when they voted for him?"

          by litigatormom on Mon Oct 31, 2005 at 08:30:01 PM PST

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          •  Or his bosses, or his peers... (none)

            I'll update this message (by posting a later comment) if I come up with a list of more recent e-mail addresses, but here are some NBC e-mail addresses (any messages probably should be addressed either to Jeff Zucker, president of NBC Universal Television Group, or to Steve Capus, president of NBC News, or to the anchors of the Nightly News or Today programs):

            viewersv@nbc.com

            programming@nbc.com

            nightly@news.nbc.com

            today@news.nbc.com

            My source for those e-mail addresses is the rec.arts.tv newsgroup FAQ:
            FAQ-addresses

            If anyone has better e-mail addresses, please post them here, so we can tell NBC what we think about Chris Matthews sliming Democrats.

            We're all in this together.

            by JTML on Mon Oct 31, 2005 at 11:33:03 PM PST

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        •  Yeah, But This Was Also a String... (4.00)
          ...of bonehead moves at the DNC.  It was really easy for Matthews to make a big deal about it, because the DNC handed it up on a platter.

          The revolution will not be televised, but we'll analyze it to death at The Next Hurrah.

          by Dana Houle on Mon Oct 31, 2005 at 08:32:16 PM PST

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          •  The DNC does a lot of research. (none)
            I think it is great.  They are ready for events when they arise.  I just read this document before I came to Kos, and I became furious with Matthews.  

            Let's see, the GOP and the RNC keeps all kinds of records and research....so do we.  Good for us, and good for Dean for all his great appearances today.

            He stayed on message, and did not let them distract him from it.

            "I'm willing to say things that are not popular but ordinary people know are right." Howard Dean

            by floridagal on Mon Oct 31, 2005 at 08:57:30 PM PST

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            •  What Did You Watch? (none)
              First, yeah, research is fine, but don't send raw research out in a word document with "not for attribution."  That's just stupid.

              And second, I saw Dean respond to Matthews' question, and his answer was really bad.  His message isn't "we're not picking on Italian-Americans, and 20 years ago he wasn't the world's best prosecutor," or at least it damn well better not be.  But that's what he got dragged in to talking about.

              The revolution will not be televised, but we'll analyze it to death at The Next Hurrah.

              by Dana Houle on Mon Oct 31, 2005 at 09:00:11 PM PST

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              •  who the hell are you angry with? (none)
                In the post you link to you raise hell about the DNC and then end up blaming Mathews. You don't have anything about the metadata debacle that you now raise. Why yell at someone who misses your point because you don't explain it. Yeah the DNC was really, really stupid to leave data in a not for attribution file but not too many people know what you are talking about.

                Looks like Dean got ambushed to me. And ambushed unfairly for things the document doesn't say. Did Dean know about the document, I don't know, but would anyone expect him to think that document was racist even if he had seen it?

                I didn't see the show, so I can't really judge his reaction.

                •  Are You a Pollster? (none)
                  How the hell do you know that not that many people know what I'm talking about?  Based on one comment?  

                  And YOU might know what I was talking about if you actually followed the hyperlinks, rather than advertising the fact that you're speaking from ignorance.  If you had followed the hyperlinks, you would know Dean didn't get ambushed, that Matthews had been talking about it for hours and hours before Dean went on the air.

                  And you're arguing with my impression of something you didn't see?

                  What a trainwreck of a comment.

                  The revolution will not be televised, but we'll analyze it to death at The Next Hurrah.

                  by Dana Houle on Mon Oct 31, 2005 at 09:32:36 PM PST

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                  •  I don't get you at all. (none)
                    I did follow your link and you have noting about the metadata there. You have to follow your links to redstate and then to townhall before you understand what it is you are talking about when you call them bonehead moves.

                    What I don't get is why you don't say something straight out instead of expecting people to reaearch your comments. You insult  them if they try to follow you and you insult them if they don't.

                    And you aren't funny.

                    •  You're Right (none)
                      You don't get me at all.  

                      And I don't think that has much to do with me.

                      The revolution will not be televised, but we'll analyze it to death at The Next Hurrah.

                      by Dana Houle on Mon Oct 31, 2005 at 11:59:09 PM PST

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                      •  no you are right (none)
                        I did follow your link. But I stopped reading when you started reproducing the document and went directly to redstate. Didn't read what was below it till just now. I just thought it was an attack on Dean. So yes, you explained about the metadata and why you have reason to be angry with the DNC handling of this and the inexplicable unpreparedness of Dean for the Hardball interview.

                        But I still don't think you are funny.

        •  Racist? That's some pretty flimsy shit (none)
          Last I checked Italians were still white guys....Is Rove back in action then? Dean's "scream"-Kerry(Traitor?!?) seems they're tossing another simple meme/slander to the chuckleheads that make up the vast bulk of their party's base.
          •  You got it (none)
            Rove is riding high in the saddle again.  From nominating Alito to the new round of talking points.
            •  baloney, Rove is an idiot if he thinks (none)
              this is going to gain him any traction. Stupid, he is an idiot and this will backfire.
              •  I don't think Rove is out to get traction (none)
                from this as anything but a bonus.

                I think this little play is a preemptive attack on anyone getting the - correct or not - idea that Alito somehow was/is a conduit for the mafia. To use a Fitz metaphore; Rove is just out to throw sand in the eyes of the umpire.

                Restore Democracy! Denounce the GOP (George Orwell's Party)!

                by high5 on Tue Nov 01, 2005 at 06:04:37 AM PST

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          •  A hundred years ago or so... (none)
            it wasn't like that.  There were a lot of Italian (and other "dark skinned") immigrants, and they were considered "undesirable".  Some of that prejudice lingered into the 2nd half of the 20th century as older people carried it on. But... When last I checked, nobody in the U.S. considered people of Mediterranean descent to be anything less than wonderful citizens, but that doesn't mean that the right can't use a very old sterotype to attack their enemies. This particular attack took a really devious, sick mind. Someone who is willing to dredge up long dead prejudices and inflame hatred between Italians and other Caucasion races.  Someone who thinks of prejudice and anger and hatred as tools to be wielded to their polical advantage whenever possible.
            •  my wife is italian/english -Que bella! (none)
              She said Italians (her dad's family had 13 kids!) were considered the "mexicans" of the Midwest up to mid-century. It's always like that. Less "Racism" to my mind than "Culturalism"....Local Citizenry vs. the newcomer "Peasants" with their Poverty, Ignorance, Disease, Babbling, Criminality, Freeloading. Wierd Religions/Beliefs etc...
    •  Ah but shouldn't (none)
      we be keeping our powder dry? One can never have too much dry powder apparently.

      'Patriotism is your conviction that this country is superior to all other countries because you were born in it'. - GBS

      by stevej on Mon Oct 31, 2005 at 07:58:15 PM PST

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    •  No shit... (none)
      Hunter... don't let up, we are right with you. This shit of theirs, this baiting with ethnic slurs is beneath contempt.

      Of course this is what they do. They tried that shit when the Torturers Apprentice was up for AG. Trying to push the them the Dems were attacking Gonzales becuase he was hispanic.

      cheers,

      Mitch Gore

      Nobody will change America for you, you have to work to make it happen

      by Lestatdelc on Mon Oct 31, 2005 at 09:13:23 PM PST

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    •  Here fucking here! (none)
      I'm sick of these bastards pulling shit like this.  Do you remember Fundamentalists senators calling Leahy and Kennedy anti-Catholic?

      We need get Matthews to apologize and we need to take the names of any Italian spokesmen who go along with this shit.

      Giuliani in NY tried to pull this nonsense when he was called on his authoritarian tendencies.  He claimed "fascist" was an anti-Italian slut.

      •  No fucking no! (none)
        We need get Matthews to apologize

        Demanding an apology from Matthews - or anyone else - just magnifies his slur. What you need to do is denounce him as an oh so willing purveyor of lies.

        Restore Democracy! Denounce the GOP (George Orwell's Party)!

        by high5 on Tue Nov 01, 2005 at 06:12:36 AM PST

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    •  i wonder just how many .... (none)
      of the hundreds of people posting in this diary also sent angry letters to MSNBC and hardball?

      and if you didnt, why not???

      "if all the world's a stage, who is sitting in the audience?"

      by KnotIookin on Tue Nov 01, 2005 at 03:26:48 AM PST

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  •  Calling Sons of Italy (none)
    I know for certain there are true-blue-to-the-core Dems in the Sons of Italy.

    Call Matthews and Drudge on this bullsh*t, please.  Do it in force.

  •  Give 'em hell, Hunter! (4.00)
    n/t
    •  Suck it directly out of Drudge's sorry teat (none)
      Hunter, you have once again outdone yourself with clever and funny imagery. This isn't up there with calling Anne Coulter "watching a dog crap to music" but still excellent.

      Your Anne Coulter dog crapping to music line got me wondering about what the music would be. It would not be "The Blue Danube" or anything else classical. It would not be something like "I feel Pretty" from West Side Story. It would probably be a stacato hip-hop beat from the big city.

      Somebody should do this video. Coulter's voice over with the music and the video of the aformentioned canine. The only thing I would regret is subjecting the dog to this guilt by association.

      "The Bush administration is a travesty of a mockery of a sham of a mockery of a travesty of two mockeries of a sham!" - Fielding Mellish

      by Bailey Savings and Loan on Mon Oct 31, 2005 at 08:15:58 PM PST

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  •  Democrats (none)
    ...don't care about Italian people.
  •  Tip O'Neill started selling out to Raygun (none)
    ooops, I mean tacking to the middle
    ooops, I mean attracting the raygun democrats,
    oooops, I mean NOT scaring the middle

    what is all the other 25 year old crap about why Dems are too liberal and lose ??

    mathews learned from the best of the go-along-to-get-along and we better take this 1/4 of a loaf cuz next time it will be an 1/8, and if ask for more we'll be liberals and we'll lose ...

    for all the millions screwed directly by the thugs, and screwed indirectly by the dems for their hiding under the desk "leadership"

    screw mathews.

    rmm.

    Grassroots Organizing Should Be for The Community, By The Community - NOT for "Leaders" http://www.liemail.com/BambooGrassroots.html

    by rmdSeaBos on Mon Oct 31, 2005 at 07:49:53 PM PST

  •  Matthews and Drudge (4.00)
    Fine Italian names if I ever heard them...
  •  Hunter's getting up (none)
    Hunter, you usually express yourself in a very calm and clearheaded manner, and I respect you for that.  When you get angry, it makes it your anger all the more powerful.  
  •  They wanted this fight... (none)
    and have started it.  Let's finish it.  (Gratuitous Bab5 ref there...)

    "Sometimes I think we're alone. Sometimes I think we're not. In either case, the thought is staggering." - R. Buckminster Fuller

    by Shadan7 on Mon Oct 31, 2005 at 07:50:28 PM PST

    •  It's the Swift Boat smoke screen (4.00)
      Say something so outrageous that we have to spend 3 months debating whether or not it's true.

      I can see it now on CNN:  "Dr. Dean, do Democrats have a problem with Italian-Americans?"

      The only solution is to turn it back on them.  "No, Democrats have a problem with radical extremist judges on the Supreme Court."  

      And then give them a list of 100 Italian Americans who we'd prefer to see on the court.  

      •  Mark of Rove on this one (none)
        The New Yorker:

        /

        In our last interview, I tried out on Rove a scenario I called "the death of the Democratic Party." The Party has three key funding sources: trial lawyers, Jews, and labor unions. One could systematically disable all three, by passing tort-reform legislation that would cut off the trial lawyers' incomes, by tilting pro-Israel in Middle East policy and thus changing the loyalties of big Jewish contributors, and by trying to shrink the part of the labor force which belongs to the newer, and more Democratic, public-employee unions. And then there are three fundamental services that the Democratic Party is offering to voters: Social Security, Medicare, and public education. Each of these could be peeled away, too: Social Security and Medicare by giving people benefits in the form of individual accounts that they invested in the stock market, and public education by trumping the Democrats on the issue of standards. The Bush Administration has pursued every item on that list. Rove didn't offer any specific objection but, rather, a general caveat that the project might be too ambitious. "Well, I think it's a plausible explanation," he said. "I don't think you ever kill any political party. Political parties kill themselves, or are killed, not by the other political party but by their failure to adapt to new circumstances. But do you weaken a political party, either by turning what they see as assets into liabilities, and/or by taking issues they consider to be theirs, and raiding them?" The thought brought to his round, unlined, guileless face a boyish look of pure delight. "Absolutely!"

        Freepers believe in looking reality straight in the eye and denying it. (Sorry, Garrison)

        by seashell5 on Tue Nov 01, 2005 at 07:27:06 AM PST

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  •  Matthews should apologize! (none)
    Call his Biggie Bosses.

    Cheney died a natural death - on the phone with Halliburton.

    by annefrank on Mon Oct 31, 2005 at 07:50:40 PM PST

  •  It's time to put Drudge out of the game. (none)
    Someone, somewhere, has something nasty on that closeted egg-freak, and it's time to bring it to light.
    •  Closeted egg freak? (none)
      Please explain that reference.  Clearly, I've been out of touch.
      •  Drudge is gay (none)
        He likes his huevos with coffee and cream.
        •  Not that there's anything wrong with that... (none)
          ..but he also reportedly has a sexual fascination with eggs.

          Yes, eggs.

        •  and? (none)
          the something someone has on Drudge would have to do with his political positions, right?  Surely, you aren't suggesting that someone drag out some sordid proof of his gay-ness as a reason to discredit him?  I sense hypocrisy.
          •  Gay Republicans... (none)

              ...are fair game.

              Any gay person who aids and abets the Republican Party agenda, any gay person who willingly works for a political party that features as one of its core values the demonization, if not extermination, of gay people, deserves to be outed and exposed, even if it means ruining his life. ESPECIALLY if it means ruining his life.

              So yes, it's perfectly appropriate to expose Matt Drudge's sexuality and ensure that the public sees him for the foul, crass, disgusting hypocrite he is.

              He deserves MUCH WORSE that just being outed.

            Republicans oppose abortion -- it happens eighteen years too early.

            by Buzzer on Mon Oct 31, 2005 at 08:20:40 PM PST

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            •  Gay Rebuplicans (none)
              I agree with you that "gay republican" seems to be an oxymoron.  It's incongruous that a gay person could support a party that, as you say, demonizes gay people.

              However, the republican party espouses hundreds of issues that having nothing to do with sexual orientation.  Maybe Drudge is a "fiscal conservative but a social liberal" as many of my colleagues purport to be.  Really, it doesn't matter.

              The real point is this--does anyone have the "right" to out another person as gay?  In my mind, this goes against every democratic ideal I can think of.  I believe that an individual's sexuality is his or her own business.  If they want to reveal it, more power to them.  If not, no one has the right to reveal it for them.

              I realize this is getting very off-topic here, and I'm not trying to start a debate about a topic that I realize can be very devisive.  It is really just a long way of saying "don't shoot the messenger for the message."  

              •  But isn't THAT an oxy-moron. (none)
                How can you be a fiscal conservative and be for the current republican party.  The democrats are the ones begging to conserve, not the republicans.  We have switched places when it comes to fiscal responcibility.  Maybe because of all those fiscal republicans who are now called liberals and got pushed over the line to the left thanks to hijacking of the republican party.  People like Scott Ritter.  
              •  Forgive me, but we must play "Hardball" (none)
                with gay assholes like Drudge.  I am a gay man and the people like Alito that Drudge fellates are directly affecting my life.  So, fuck Drudge.  And any gay politician or talking-head who supports people who want to destroy gays like David Dreier, Lindsey Graham, etc. deserve to be outed.  Hypocritical bastards.  

                Sorry for being so hardcore tonight, but I truly see this Supreme Court pick as a direct threat to my freedom.

                "As the Constitution endures, persons in every generation can invoke its principles in their own search for greater freedom." Justice Kennedy, Lawrence v Texas

                by HillaryGuy on Mon Oct 31, 2005 at 08:52:07 PM PST

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              •  When Drudge... (none)
                  ...or other gay Republicans like David Dreier show evidence that they (a) publicly oppose the Republicans' antigay agenda, and (b) publicly work to change it, then they might acquire a smidgen of credibility.

                  When they publicly defend gay people persecuted for their sexuality, even if they believe in the rest of the  pug agenda, then they might be cut some slack.

                  But until they do that, they cannot be denounced in strong enough terms.

                   Here in western Maryland we've got a couple of closeted gay men who hold office in the Republican party, at the local and state-senator level. These closeted gay men have made it a point to ride antigay rhetoric to electoral victories. That's the kind of scumbaggery that should NEVER be tolerated.

                   We are working on outing them. We've got a friendly media figure lined up; it's a matter of timing now. Elections are next year.

                Republicans oppose abortion -- it happens eighteen years too early.

                by Buzzer on Tue Nov 01, 2005 at 02:46:33 AM PST

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              •  One more thing. (none)
                I believe that an individual's sexuality is his or her own business.

                   I believe this, too. An individual's sexuality IS his own business.

                   The problem is that Republicans don't believe this.

                   By working for the Republicans, Matt Drudge is subscribing to an ideology that holds that one's sexuality is NOT a private matter. By not publicly opposing this mindset, he completely surrenders any right to his OWN privacy in this matter. If Matt Drudge doesn't believe MY sexuality is a private matter, and if he works for a party that believes MY sexuality is grounds to be treated like a second-class (or worse) citizen, then why should HE be granted any courtesy on the matter?

                  Matt Drudge and David Dreier and Jim West deserve to receive as much reasonableness from the gay community as they give. In other words, none at all. They have their partners, they live their closeted lives, and quietly enjoy what few rights gays DO have -- rights that were fought for by men and women 10,000 times braver than them. And yet they participate in the demonization of gay people throught their associations with the Republicans. And you want to cut these animals some slack????

                  Like I said, the MILDEST thing we can do to gay Republicans is to out them and destroy their private lives. After all, they want to destroy mine.

                   

                Republicans oppose abortion -- it happens eighteen years too early.

                by Buzzer on Tue Nov 01, 2005 at 03:03:28 AM PST

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          •  If you ask me (none)
            I thought they brought up several egg-cellent points.

            Sorry, couldn't help myself.

            I'm having an egg-sistential crisis!

            They try to hide the poverty, but the poverty can't be hidden

            by spelunking defenestrator on Mon Oct 31, 2005 at 08:23:00 PM PST

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          •  never (none)
            I should have been clearer with my slanderous tripe.

            I don't care if Drudge is gay.  His wingnut readers might, though.

            I care that he's an asshole.

  •  Fuckers (4.00)
    When Libby was upset about Matthews coverage, he was somehow able to get right on the phone with his boss Russert and let him know.  I think it's high time we started doing the same.

    It's always easier to get a producer for a show than a celebrity talking head.  Tim Russert's Meet the Press producer is Betsy Fischer.  Perhaps we should call:

    NBC
    1600 Pennsylvania Avenue Northwest, Washington, DC 20500
    (202) 393-4585

    and ask for her.

    Oh when the frogs. . Come marching in. . Oh when the FROGS COME MARCH-ING IN!

    by pontificator on Mon Oct 31, 2005 at 07:51:01 PM PST

  •  Great catch Hunter (none)
    As I listened to Matthew's rendition of the memo's content, I could tell that either something was missing or it was a set up. Nice job tracing down the facts.
  •  Was Matthews setup like Rather (none)
    because he's been all over traitorgate lately?
    •  ok (none)
      i'm now going to say something nice about tweety.

      i know.  i know.  just.... well.....

      there's was the chirpy shrill shell of a woman hitting the punditry circuit all day saying "it's a home run", "it doesn't get any better than this" and so on.

      tweety did cut her off a couple times and then was the first one to ask her, "that's great, but this is really just about outlawing abortion for you, right?"

      of course she looked stunned for a moment, she knew she's not supposed to admit that, but tweety got her to admit it.

      "I don't think Feingold and Clinton are really that far apart on Iraq." -- Howard Dean, 10/23/05

      by BiminiCat on Mon Oct 31, 2005 at 08:03:22 PM PST

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      •  no secret (none)

        Rich Lowry ( wingnut) on the Newshour said scAlito was all about outlawing abortion and enacting wingnut ideology.

        •  no secret (none)
          not being talked about enough either.

          all conversations begin and end with:  this is really about overturning roe vs. wade, isn't it??

          everyone who says "yes" is a point for us.

          everyone who can't say "yes" we do what tweety did to dean.  we say "i can never get a straight answer out of your party." and that's a point for us.

          there's really no excuse why this can't be a win-win situation for dems politically.

          "I don't think Feingold and Clinton are really that far apart on Iraq." -- Howard Dean, 10/23/05

          by BiminiCat on Mon Oct 31, 2005 at 08:18:29 PM PST

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      •  Her name is (none)
        Jan LaRue and she is president  of CWA.  I caught her too.  A little early for Halloween.
        Ugh.  Screech, screech, screech. A real self loather.  She was watching Crowley a tad enviously, I thought.  What a piece of work.

        there's was the chirpy shrill shell of a woman hitting the punditry circuit all day saying "it's a home run", "it doesn't get any better than this" and so on.
    •  Tweety's been as nervous... (4.00)
      ... as a cat shitting on a concrete sidewalk.

      He's been scratching and fretting, trying to cover up the fact that he's had a bowel movement of truth last week over Traitorgate.  He went back and forth all week, going out on the limb with Shuster and Gregory, then getting reeled back into the Kool-Aid Klubhouse by Mrs. Greenspan.

      Now that Libby's been indicted, and Rove seems safe for the moment, Tweety's scuttling back into craven Flying Monkeyhood.  He's got some powerful ass-kissing to do to get back in Sauron's good graces, and leading the Charge of the Lie Brigade for Alito seems to be his chosen method.

      How's that for mixed metaphors?

      Now a New Mexican, and much the better for it.

      by Dallasdoc on Mon Oct 31, 2005 at 08:07:56 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  sounds about right (none)
        ..

        "I don't think Feingold and Clinton are really that far apart on Iraq." -- Howard Dean, 10/23/05

        by BiminiCat on Mon Oct 31, 2005 at 08:19:31 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

      •  Mixed metaphors (4.00)
        You rang?

        Sauron is indeed displeased. You must smear, SMEAR, if you want any hope of being let back into the fold.

      •  "Its mine and I wants it... (4.00)
        ...my presssssshhhhhhhuss...," hissed Chris "Smeagol" Matthews.

        "Mommy, did people know that Bush was stupid when they voted for him?"

        by litigatormom on Mon Oct 31, 2005 at 08:38:38 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

      •  First reaction was Tweety had been taken to the (none)
        woodshed, a la what happened to Olbermann when he had two well-known liberals on his program in 3 days.

        "Chris, fer god's sake! You've been way too critical of BushCo for way too many days in a row. Now, use this to whack some Dem ass for a change, OK?

        Remember who writes your checks and get back with the program.

        Sheez, Matthews, you just can't keep on taking shots at BushCo! Not good business, capiche?"

        Or did he just find a horse's head in his bed?

        (Disclaimer: The references in this comment are not ethnic slurs--this is an imaginary conversation using well-known cliches and movie scripts.)

        Slightly OT: Did anyone watch Tweety's Sunday night special Hardball, which I understood was about The Plame Affair? How did it go? Might that have influenced his treatment of Alito/scAlito stuff? Way to get back in good graces?

  •  Mobsters? (none)
    Since when did the word "mobsters" become a slam on Italians?

    Ben (Bugsy) Siegal and Meyer Lansky are rolling in their graves.

    •  Don't forget Whitey Bulger ... (none)
      ... currently holding down the top spot on the FBI most wanted list ...
    •  Don't forget Arnie Rothstein -- now that the Sox (none)
      ... washed themselves of THAT stinky thing. :-)
      .

      Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest. - Denis Diderot

      by Peanut on Mon Oct 31, 2005 at 08:11:32 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  Do NOT.... (none)
      ...call him Bugsy!!!

      EVER!

      What did the President know and when did he stop knowing it?

      by Pyewacket on Mon Oct 31, 2005 at 08:24:06 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  Matthews did invoke Meyer Lansky once... (4.00)
      I remember that during the made-up scandal about Clinton giving Marc Rich a pardon (which was, oddly enough, set up by Scooter Libby), Matthews went off on a tirade about Marc Rich one night.  He likened him to Meyer Lansky.  There's really nothing at all similar about them except their Jewishness.  It was really an ethnic slur to make the comparison, but Matthews got away with it, of course.
      •  Can someone with Lexis/Nexus access get hold of (none)
        that transcript? That would be cool to have to send to Tweety!

        My library system can't afford L/N, BTW.

        •  What I remember of it... (none)
          If anyone is looking for a transcript of Matthews comparing Marc Rich to Meyer Lansky, it would have been not long after Bush began his first term.  The Republicans were trying to gin up a "Pardongate" scandal, and the cable channels were full of people explaining Marc Rich and his legal problems.

          I recall that someone was on Hardball talking about Rich.  And Matthews, from out of nowhere, blurted out "this guy is like Meyer Lansky."  

          I'd read Robert Lacey's book on Lansky, and that comment struck me as being totally weird because whatever someone says about Marc Rich, he had been in a legal business, and is in a legal business today.  Lansky had been a bootlegger and later ran illegal casinos, and he actually never had much to do with any business that operated legally.

  •  Kick ass, Hunter (4.00)
    I'm with you.  I'm tired of this crap.  I say we take it to the next level -- whatever that is :)

    I DO think there are enough people here, now, to make some damned loud noise when we want to.  Let's get Josh Marshall and Duncan into the act, too.  Jam MSNBC's phone lines asking for an explanation.  Jam Drudge's inbox demanding a retraction.

    The extremist right isn't the only one who can make noise.

  •  Anyone speak Italian? HELP (none)
    We should take every oppurtunity to pop him one when we can? I mean why not make it hell for them at their morning meetings.

    What do you think about this kind of an e-mail?

    I thought to take a slightly different tack. Let them think they'll get extra brownie points from Karl Rove if they post the document on their website ginning up more support for the R in the tight New Jersey Gov race remember. What about an Italian American League calling for Matthews to produce the memo - or is this too Quixote? I think I want to see the memo because you just know it's fucked-up like the Schiavo memo. It'll blow up in their faces.

    My e-mail
    Dear MSNBC,
    Mr. Matthews made some shocking and important claims about a Democratic dirty tricks campaign to oppose President Bush's SCOTUS nominee Judge Sam Alito. The racist nature of these talking points demands that you post the memo on your website.

    As a proud Italian-American I am always saddened by the despicable nature of Italian-American racism in this country which seeks to equate all Italian-Americans with the likes of the Tony Sopranos and John Gottis of this world. I demand that you reveal this memo on your website. Sunshine is the best disinfectant, always has been and always will be. You can't let these kind of unfounded and unamerican smears lurk in the dark corridors of power in our nation's Capitol. If you do you're just aiding and abetting the crime.

    I'm a college graduate and a law abiding tax-paying soccer Mom who is deeply hurt by these smears against Judge Alito as being mobbed-up and dishonest just because his parents immigrated here from one of the most beautiful and historically significant countries in Europe. Much of the economic vitality and wealth this country possesses  has come from the sweat and the spirit of countless hard working Italian immigrants just like my grandparents.

    Produce the memo, this doesn't just go away with a single segment on Hardball bringing these charges up. This is too important. This is America.

    Thank you,
    Maria B.

    PS - If you can add some suggestion for italiano phrases I can sprinkle in please do. As I am not Italian it would aid in authenticity tremendously. Is Maria to over the top? I didn't dare use Gina or Theresa.

    Cross-post from the other matthews thread.

    Going to the mattresses

  •  Rove (4.00)
    gave him the concept to attack the left as being racist against itallians. It's a classic Rove. Divide and conquer! Hopefully fitz will put the "minister of propaganda" behind bars soon. That day cannot come soon enough for the well being of this country.
  •  Change the title (none)
    "Chris Matthews Is a Lying Shill For the Republican Party"

    Seriously.

    The SCOTUS is Extraordinary.

    by Armando on Mon Oct 31, 2005 at 07:53:00 PM PST

  •  This memo,,,, (none)
    needs to be sent to Jon Stewart, Keith Olberman, and any other friendly newspeople you can think of.  Hey, Ron Reagan - he tells the truth.

    We need the same amount of publicity exposing the lie as they got telling the lie.

    "But your flag decal won't get you into heaven anymore"--Prine Pay attention Georgie - 2024+ dead Americans. Jesus Christ, make it stop already.

    by Miss Blue on Mon Oct 31, 2005 at 07:53:36 PM PST

    •  And when you watch Ron Reagan vs Squeaky (none)
      It is hard to imagine Squeaky once worked for President Carter and Tip O'Neill and Ron Reagan is the son of a Republican President who really started this moving the Republican more to the right . It shows Ron thinks for himself and of course the Republican moving even further right...I am sure dismays even Nancy Reagan.  It only goes to show how some people can be Shills and some can have integrity and their backgrounds make little difference.

      America was not built on fear. America was built on courage, on imagination and an unbeatable determination to do the job at hand-Harry S. Truman

      by wishingwell on Mon Oct 31, 2005 at 09:56:43 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  So he flat-out lied (none)
    How the hell did this...

    Alito is often referred to as "Judge Scalito" because of his adherence to Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia's right-wing judicial philosophy

    ...turn into a smear against Italian-Americans?  

    Matthews is a fucking liar and a stupid man to have hitched his wagon to this trainwreck of a nomination.

  •  Fucking Love you Hunter n/t (4.00)
  •  Well, Matthews just made my s--t list. (none)
    Right here.

    I am creating a Wall of Shame for any public figure who does not tell the truth, but who is really a GOP propagandist. I will be sure to post details and forward this to Media Matters if they haven't picked this up yet.

  •  Shocked. Just shocked. (none)
    Just shocked to learn that Tweety is a shill for faux patriotic tough guys.

    Just shocked.

    I did not receive $ from Ketchum, U.S. Department of Ed or HHS to write this---though I wish I had.

    by Volvo Liberal on Mon Oct 31, 2005 at 07:54:55 PM PST

  •  back in the afternoon on dk-- (4.00)
    in susan's diary, some were discussing
    the "i-n-o" italian diminuitive..."i-t-o" is spanish.  
    or were the "dems" referring to judge ito of OJ fame?
  •  Why the Dems need to filibuster (4.00)
    I've gone through the scenarios

    1. Dems don't filibuster: Alito is confirmed

    Pros: Dems don't look obstructionist
    Cons: Alito is on the court. Dems look weak.

    Result: Status quo. We've tried appeasing for 5 years, look where it's got us.

    2. Dems filibuster. Repubs push nuclear option through and confirm Alito

    Pros: Dems show that they can fight. Dems can blast Repubs for their gross power play.
    Cons: Alito is on the court. Filibuster is gone--but it was useless anyways.

    Result: Repubs' charge of "obstructionist" is trumped by Dems' charge of "power play". Dems get last word. Alito is one the court, but he would have been in scenario 1 also, and now we've got juice and a great talking point.

    3. Dems filibuster. Repubs fail to push nuclear option through--Alito is not confirmed.

    Pros: Alito is not on court. Bush must choose more moderate appointee. Dems look buff and tough. Bush's clout with right is reduced due to his ineffectiveness.
    Cons: Obstructionist charge.

    Result: The pros of this scenario far outweigh the cons.

    Summary: Options 2 and 3 are both superior to 1. Hence Dems must filibuster.

    •  Further extension (none)
      The electorate is nearing a point of revulsion. This is the time to jettison the filibuster agreement. Let it go nuclear. Play this out as long as possible.

      When Congress flips in 06 and we gain the presidency in 08 we use our majority to enact legislation and install judges that we prefer with less deference to Republicans than Democrats were shown by this administration. Brass knuckles to their blackjack.

      Pop-gun president lying with impunity, soundbyte policies and photo opportunities

      by Dave the Wave on Mon Oct 31, 2005 at 08:48:50 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  Make this a diary to recommend /nt (none)
    •  implications of the nuclear option (none)
      the nuclear option is not that the Reds close off filibuster; it's the consequence:  the Dems prevent any action in the Senate through use of rules.

      no one knows what would happen then...

  •  Rove's back n/t (none)

    'Patriotism is your conviction that this country is superior to all other countries because you were born in it'. - GBS

    by stevej on Mon Oct 31, 2005 at 07:56:36 PM PST

  •  excuse me... [pause button on] (none)
    [pause button off]

    who the holy hell put out the memo in the first place????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    who wrote it???

    what organization????

    "I don't think Feingold and Clinton are really that far apart on Iraq." -- Howard Dean, 10/23/05

    by BiminiCat on Mon Oct 31, 2005 at 07:57:15 PM PST

    •  Redstate alleges (none)
      the DNC here.

      "Mr. Bush's relationship to the environment is roughly that of a doctor to a patient--when the doctor's name is Kevorkian." Bob Herbert, NYT

      by jorndorff on Mon Oct 31, 2005 at 07:59:24 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  Go to RedState.org (none)
      They have traced it back to the DNC.  Apparently the staffers didn't realize that a Microsoft Word document could be traced.

      Carrie French, age 19, died in Iraq on June 5, 2005. Why?

      by Susan S on Mon Oct 31, 2005 at 08:00:14 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  thanks (4.00)
        pendergast.

        fired.

        it's not a bad list of talking points, although it's not great either, no one gives a crap about a mob case 15 years ago, they care about the future of roe vs. wade today... when the chair is getting ambushed by repug pundits it's time to clean up shop.

        there can be no accidents.

        here's the talking points:

        ALITO WOULD OVERTURN ROE V. WADE: In his dissenting opinion in Planned Parenthood v. Casey, Alito concurred with the majority in supporting the restrictive abortion-related measures passed by the Pennsylvania legislature in the late 1980's. Alito went further, however, saying the majority was wrong to strike down a requirement that women notify their spouses before having an abortion. The Supreme Court later rejected Alito's view, voting to reaffirm Roe v. Wade. [Planned Parenthood of Southeastern Pennsylvania v. Casey, 1991]

        ALITO WOULD ALLOW RACE-BASED DISCRIMINATION: Alito dissented from a decision in favor of a Marriott Hotel manager who said she had been discriminated against on the basis of race. The majority explained that Alito would have protected racist employers by "immuniz[ing] an employer from the reach of Title VII if the employer's belief that it had selected the `best' candidate was the result of conscious racial bias." [Bray v. Marriott Hotels, 1997]

        ALITO WOULD ALLOW DISABILITY-BASED DISCRIMINATION: In Nathanson v. Medical College of Pennsylvania, the majority said the standard for proving disability-based discrimination articulated in Alito's dissent was so restrictive that "few if any...cases would survive summary judgment." [Nathanson v. Medical College of Pennsylvania, 1991]

        ALITO WOULD STRIKE DOWN THE FAMILY AND MEDICAL LEAVE ACT: The Family and Medical Leave Act (FMLA) "guarantees most workers up to 12 weeks of unpaid leave to care for a loved one." The 2003 Supreme Court ruling upholding FMLA [Nevada v. Hibbs, 2003] essentially reversed a 2000 decision by Alito which found that Congress exceeded its power in passing the law. [Chittister v. Department of Community and Economic Development, 2000]

        ALITO SUPPORTS UNAUTHORIZED STRIP SEARCHES: In Doe v. Groody, Alito agued that police officers had not violated constitutional rights when they strip searched a mother and her ten-year-old daughter while carrying out a search warrant that authorized only the search of a man and his home. [Doe v. Groody, 2004]

        ALITO HOSTILE TOWARD IMMIGRANTS: In two cases involving the deportation of immigrants, the majority twice noted Alito's disregard of settled law. In Dia v. Ashcroft, the majority opinion states that Alito's dissent "guts the statutory standard" and "ignores our precedent." In Ki Se Lee v. Ashcroft, the majority stated Alito's opinion contradicted "well-recognized rules of statutory construction." [Dia v. Ashcroft, 2003; Ki Se Lee v. Ashcroft, 2004]

        "I don't think Feingold and Clinton are really that far apart on Iraq." -- Howard Dean, 10/23/05

        by BiminiCat on Mon Oct 31, 2005 at 08:12:43 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

      •  oh yawn (none)
        that shit is easy as pie to forge.. hell it isnt even forgery. you just put whatever you want in as your name and company. we're going to believe a few fields in a word document because the wingers said so?!?!?!
  •  Hunter, this is really the 'Do you beat you wife?' (4.00)
    strategy . . . and it'll work if you let 'em.

    Trying to paint Chris Matthews and Drudge---of all people---as "liars" is close to the most thankless task imaginable. And about as promising.

    As much as it might hurt to hear this, I say we forget it and just ignore the fuckers. They want us to whine and moan. Don't do it.

    Much better we toss in a "SCALITO!" into every other sentence that comes out of our mouths, and watch them writhe in horror as they see that---for the first time ever---we're not going to shrink from their ersatz politically-correct accusations.

    And throw in a "six Catholics on SCOTUS is too damn many!" to really turn 'em apoplectic . . . </only sort of kidding . . .>

  •  sorry teat (none)
    okay, for the record...the "sucked it out of your sorry teat" comment was the best thing I've read all day.  Thanks for that gem Hunter.  

    Carney for Congress Take Back the House!

  •  Chris (none)
    Matthews is just auditioning for his next job at FNC...I hear that he wants O'Reilly's spot.  Chris is always careful in describing his television efforts as "the Show"...it's entertainment, not to be misconstrued as factual reporting.

    The Media is having more trouble with the facts than is the populace within the Administration.

    Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

    by TheRef on Mon Oct 31, 2005 at 08:01:18 PM PST

  •  Is there any... (4.00)

       ...media figure in this country with less integrity than Chris Matthews? Is there any media figure in this country who encapsulates pure whoredom more than this disgusting human turd? Is there any more naked disgrace to the once-honorable profession of journalism than this vapid bag of gas?

       If my daughter ever brought this leech home, I would disown her on the spot.

       If keeping Roe vs. Wade on the books prevents another Chris Matthews from being spawned to defecate upon our fine planet with his presence, that's a good enough reason for blocking Scalito.

       

    Republicans oppose abortion -- it happens eighteen years too early.

    by Buzzer on Mon Oct 31, 2005 at 08:01:42 PM PST

    •  Yes, but.. (none)
      Matthews' biggest asset and biggest flaw, so far as I can tell, is that once he gets a big idea in his head he's like a pitbull on it.

      If this idea is a flat out lie, obviously this presents a problem.  A problem for us, not for him, because the rules of punditocracy in no way preclude dogged pursuit of flat out lies.  Sad, that..

  •  Tip O'Neill (4.00)
    would be rolling over in his grave if he knew how Matthews was behaving.  Shame on Chris.  He should know better.

    But factor in all the distortions he was purporting on his show about the CIA Leak investigation, including the rubbish he was letting Andrea Mitchell spew, and it's really not all that surprising.

  •  Who gave Chris the story to push? (none)
    Why Karl Rove of course. His  slimey fingerprints are all over this. Chaos and controversy are Rove's middle names.

    Don't fall for their lies.

    •  When Libby called Russert (none)
      to have his non-conversation about Plame, Libby complained to Russert about something that TWEETY had said on his show.  Apparently that call was enough to keep Tweety crapping in his pants ever since....

      "Mommy, did people know that Bush was stupid when they voted for him?"

      by litigatormom on Mon Oct 31, 2005 at 08:47:34 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  To the earlier (none)
    "Did Mattews just lie about the Dems?" diary my first reaction was, "I don't know. Was his pie-hole opening and closing?"

    Oh, and fuck Drudge.

    "Whether ours shall continue to be a government of laws and not of men is now for Congress and ultimately the American people." -Archibald Cox 10/20/73

    by justme on Mon Oct 31, 2005 at 08:04:53 PM PST

  •  Chill (none)
    You are not a victim here, and neither are Italian Americans (who are Americans, after all, as we all are). Victims see their attackers as having power; heroes know the only real power is in how they choose to react.
  •  Matthews is a Croney Journalist (none)
    This level of sloppiness in the service of right wing race and religion baiting deserves to be slapped down forcefully. Scalito needs to present his own case for being qualified and suited for the job. Any advance vilifying of this process, with or without Tweety's help, is a strike against Scalito's own (alleged) supporters' belief that he's qualified, rather than their lackey.
    .
    As for Matthews, he's as bad as sportscasters "explaining" that black or latino personnel have been kept out of head coaching and GM jobs in major league sports, not for lack of qualifications, ability or the appropriate skill sets for the job, but attributed racial qualities. (They apparently never heard of Negro League baseball or the many, many thriving Carib and Latin American leagues.)
    .

    Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest. - Denis Diderot

    by Peanut on Mon Oct 31, 2005 at 08:06:50 PM PST

  •  I'm Glad I don't have Cable (none)
    It keeps my blood pressure lower. I have no idea what any of this is about -- but speaking as an Irish/English/German French Roman Catholic -- I'm behind you 100% Hunter.  Give 'em hell.  
  •  It's not a race thing either, you right-wingers (none)
    For one thing.. if there was an actual attack on Alito being Italian, it would be called bigotry, not racism.

    There's a difference.

    As well, this is just a smokescreen they're using to try and obscure the fact that Alito and Scalia are the Wonder Twins of the Right-Wing.

    One more thing..

    it figures that the Right-Wing is trying to use one of the most blatant playings of the P/C card ever. Hypocrites.

    "Our country right or wrong. When right, to be kept right; when wrong, to be put right" - Carl Schurz

    by RBH on Mon Oct 31, 2005 at 08:08:57 PM PST

  •  Two observations: (none)
    Looking at the Redstate posting, it occurs to me that just because the document's metadata says it comes from the DNC, does not mean it actually did come from there.  Seems to me anyone can set up their computer with those names and organizations and create a document with that information.

    Second, are there any prominent Italian-American Democratic Senators or Congressmen/women who care to throw down on this?

    "Don't blame me, I voted for the smart guy."

    by frsbdg on Mon Oct 31, 2005 at 08:09:06 PM PST

  •  Chris Matthews has no integrity (4.00)
    and is a smarmy fellating lapdog for Rove and the Republicans.  And he's doing it for the money.  The greedy, sell-out, dry-drunk son of a bitch.

    I hope people take those phone numbers upthread and bombard the GENBCMSNBC people, producers, and whoever and scream about this.  I am, first thing in the morning.

    "As the Constitution endures, persons in every generation can invoke its principles in their own search for greater freedom." Justice Kennedy, Lawrence v Texas

    by HillaryGuy on Mon Oct 31, 2005 at 08:13:53 PM PST

    •  I've already sent an e-mail to Tweety (4.00)
      berating him for describing Bush's "nobility" in responding to the Libby indictment.

      Because what could be more noble than breaking your promise to take appropriate action against any employees who leak the identities of CIA agents?

      "Mommy, did people know that Bush was stupid when they voted for him?"

      by litigatormom on Mon Oct 31, 2005 at 08:50:25 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  OK, it's late (not in the US right now), and I'm (none)
    tired.  But my understanding of our new favourite nominee is that he once ruled that employers could racially discriminate against employees if they're felt not to be right for the job (or something).

    Well, he's our employee.

    We feel he's not right for the job.

    Ergo - even if we are being racist, and we aren't - according to him, we'd be perfectly entitled to be.

    (Or have I fucked up on what his decision meant?)

  •  One more thing (none)
    I wouldn't trust that opportunist Chris Matthews to park my car.

    "Our country right or wrong. When right, to be kept right; when wrong, to be put right" - Carl Schurz

    by RBH on Mon Oct 31, 2005 at 08:16:39 PM PST

  •  I had to turn Hardball off... (none)
    4 minutes into the show.  Matthews made no sense at all, considering the statement made on the release in no way said anything about Italians.  Just because it said Mafia, means that all Italians are in the mafia or there's an inherent connection in the two groups?

    Matthews was an idiot today.  It's that simple.

    "These guys are the biggest bunch of lying crooks I have ever seen."

    by NyLib05 on Mon Oct 31, 2005 at 08:18:08 PM PST

    •  "Today"? (none)

         That's like saying the Washington Beltway was congested today.

      Republicans oppose abortion -- it happens eighteen years too early.

      by Buzzer on Mon Oct 31, 2005 at 08:23:53 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  Mathews follows GE's preferences (none)
      or finds a new job. Period, right now.

      "Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about the things that matter." Dr. ML King, from a jail cell in Birmingham, Alabama in 1963.

      by bewert on Mon Oct 31, 2005 at 08:25:28 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  Matthews was even more outrageous (none)
      on the afternoon show earlier when he was a guest.  He went on and on about how the Dems were going to lose because they were putting out stuff like that.  He was actually rather restrained on Hardball.

      Carrie French, age 19, died in Iraq on June 5, 2005. Why?

      by Susan S on Mon Oct 31, 2005 at 08:26:15 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  Matthews is a waste of space (none)
      Matthews is an idiot, plain and simple. the only time i catch him at all is if i tune into Keith a few minutes early. Olbermann is really about all i can stand to watch of the prime-time "news" shows.

      Matthews is just a lipless sycophantic piece of crap. i don't want to waste time on a possibily futile endeavor, but letting this one go just doesn't sit well with me. There's this new trend sweeping the nation, it's called "accountability." I think Matthews needs to learn about that one.

      "If only lies left semen stains." -Jon Stewart

      by mewhins24 on Mon Oct 31, 2005 at 08:29:28 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  You done called them out (none)
    Let's see if they step up and fight back to you directly. Just how much power does the Kos.community have these days?

    Don't let up. Just be specific and accurate with things that will piss of the 2/3's of realistic Americans. Like most of us.

    "Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about the things that matter." Dr. ML King, from a jail cell in Birmingham, Alabama in 1963.

    by bewert on Mon Oct 31, 2005 at 08:23:44 PM PST

  •  Isn't Chris Matthews Irish (none)
    (though all the old folk of my family swore there have been no Irish snakes for centuries) and therefore a drunk?

    The greatest blessing bestowed on a people is the absence of ignorance in public office. - Confucius

    by cavanaghjam on Mon Oct 31, 2005 at 08:25:52 PM PST

    •  I guess your post is meant to be (none)
      ironic.  Well Matthews is certainly belligerent, I don't care what his excuse is.  I think he was belligerent with Zell Miller just because Zell still calls himself a Democrat.
  •  Props to Hunter & Susan for... (none)
    making threads on this.  It was so ridiculous I couldn't watch anymore.  I guess the Hardball production team is similar to the current administration.  No one dares tell jughead that he makes no sense and is wasting an entire segment on it.

    "These guys are the biggest bunch of lying crooks I have ever seen."

    by NyLib05 on Mon Oct 31, 2005 at 08:30:43 PM PST

  •  Easy Everyone... (none)
    Stay on message -- Don't get dragged down to their level. every word we waste about who said what is a word we could be used to defeat Republicans.

    I say let Drudge say whatever he wants (what type of people read that site anyways?). The point is: get a solid story rolling that he lied on purpose (why not? its just drudge)

    code*blue

  •  His email address (none)
    hardball@msnbc.com.

    I've sent mine. I hope the whole community sends him a scathing message.

    He's either really stupid or incredibly incompetent.

    Someday, after the forest fire of the Right has died we'll say "Whew, I'm happy that's over."

    by CanYouBeAngryAndStillDream on Mon Oct 31, 2005 at 08:32:28 PM PST

    •  Mine's copied below. (4.00)
      Chris,

      Tonight you referred to a "disgusting" memo circulating about Judge Alito, noting that you didn't know for sure where it came from, but it was from "the Democrats".  You further claimed (without reading any of the offensive passages to your viewers) that it was somehow derogatory to Italian Americans.  Having now read the so-called offensive memo (and portions of its Republican counterpart), I find myself outraged at your behavior and complete lack of journalistic integrity -- let alone your frequent lack of even basic journalistic research.  I find myself remembering your first comments about how powerful the "Swift Boat Vet" doctor's statements were -- and how surprised you were later to find out he hadn't in fact treated Senator Kerry as he'd claimed.  

      I expect to find blatant attempts to influence viewer opinions on Fox News (that's why they're commonly referred to as "Faux News").  I expect better from MSNBC, and you continue to disappoint in this arena.  I suppose we'll now hear about how outraged the "National Italian American Foundation" is, without any mention that it's Chairman is a Republican Party donor.

      "Scalito" is not a derogatory term dreamed up by Democrats today.  Judge Alito has been referred to as "Scalito" for well over a decade now (by friend and foe alike), not because of his heritage, but because his judicial views are most closely reflected on the Supreme Court by Justice Scalia.  If you view that as derogatory, I'd say that's a problem with your view of Scalia (or perhaps with Scalia himself), not with the memo you referred to.

      Pointing out that Judge Alito failed to get a conviction in a mafia trial is not anti-Italian-American.  It's simply pointing out one instance where he might have been something less than a stellar performer.

      Pointing out other instances in his career when the judge has not been a staunch advocate of women's rights, minority rights, separation of church and state, civil rights, workers rights, legislative authority, ethical rucusal, etc., is simply bringing important issues up for debate.  And for once, perhaps they will be debated.  For once, right wing extremists may not be the only segment with their "ducks in a row" and their soldiers ready for battle.

      No, online polls are not scientific.  But check out both your MSNBC poll, and CNN's counterpart.  Normally in the early days of a nomination, the majority seem to fall into the "don't know yet" category.  Not so this time.  I suspect we are witnessing the "Schiavo" effect -- the point at which the majority of Americans stand up to the vocal extremist minority and take their country back.  At least I hope so.

      I am an ordinary working wife and mother from Iowa.  I can honestly say that neither Judge Alito's heritage nor his religion even entered my mind before you seemed to accuse all Democrats of being anti-Catholic, anti-Italian-American bigots.  But I oppose Judge Alito's ascension to the Supreme Court with every fiber of my being.  And I'm deeply offended by your behavior tonight.

      And, as long as I'm writing anyway, I'd really like to stop hearing that "nobody outside the Beltway" cares about outing a CIA agent, as so many of your guests keep espousing.  I do care.  It's wrong.  It's dangerous.  It's Treason.  And it's time the lunatics stopped running the asylum.

      •  SuperMom - you brought it! (none)
        I love your letter to Chris Matthews

        Although I'm like another poster here in that I only see Chris 'foaming at the Matthews' by accident when I tune in to see Keith..

        .. he annoys the poop out of me

        Great email!

    •  Here's Mine (none)
      To Chris Matthews and others at NBC,

      I am the son of two Italian immigrants.  I am proud of my heritage.

      I watched Hardball last night.

      I was stunned to hear Chris Matthews say, "I'm sitting here holding in my hands a pretty disgusting document". "The first thing they nail about this Italian-American is he failed to win a mob conviction in a trial, way back in '88. In other words, they nail him on not putting some Italian mobsters in jail from the family. Why would they bring up this ethnically charged issue as the first item they raise against Judge Alito?"  Chris Matthews insinuated that it was somehow derogatory to Italian Americans.

      I  have since read the so-called offensive memo.  There is nothing in the memo that is offensive to Italian-Americans.  The "talking point" is far from being ethnically charged to me (It speaks to Mr. Alito's competence - nothing more).  Is it a point to be discussed in the overall discussion of  Mr. Alito's qualifications?  Of course.  Should it have been the "first talking point"?  Only from a chronological perspective and not from a priority perspective.

      I find myself outraged and disgusted at Chris Matthews' irresponsible behavior.  Why would anyone try to sensationally inject ethnicity into this debate?  Why would Chris Matthews try to reinforce old stereotypes that somehow broadbrushes the linking of any Italian-American with the "Mafia."  It is insulting to me and every Italian-American for anyone to reinforce these ethnic stereotypes that I had thought all mature individuals had long ago buried.

      No one at NBC should have to be told that even entertainment shows, such as Hardball, should stick primarily to facts, issues, and opinions; and not lapse into ethnicity-baiting.  Sadly, that doesn't seem the case here.

      I ask Mr. Matthews to apologize on his show for his insensitive comments, and I ask for officials at NBC to demand that Mr. Matthews forgo smearing Italian-Americans or any other groupings just to be "provocative and sensationalist".

      signed

  •  Colbert (none)
    just`referenced "Scalito"
  •  The ethnicity baiting Chris Matthews (4.00)
    The mainstream media is made up of nothing but spineless lying fuckwads.  They have taken sides with the traitors in our midst.  The sycophants are all kissing Cheney and Roves wrinkley fat asses all the way to the bank.

    Chris Matthews has been nothing but a liar from the first day his show began.  I have never seen such a butt kisser in my life, and a loud-mouth to boot.  The man cannot have any friends he is such a blow hard, and he does that lying to your face thing that is awfully disrespectful of one's audience, let alone friends.

    Does anyone remember what year it was when all the partisan right wingers on the major networks were sold as pundits?  It was pretty damn obvious because it happened over a period of a couple months, but before you knew it the mass media was crawling with these slime.

    I use the term slime because they are supposed to be protecting our freedom by keeping us informed with objective information, and by not doing so they are traitors - anti-American, anti-democracy, and self-serving wimps.

    What really hurts is that so many of these representatives of the truth all turned on Americans over a period of only a few months.  They are willing to sell us all out for their careers, and that is not an excuse.  If they had any character, integrity or sense of honor there is no way that they could allow themselves to be so deliberately deceitful at the expense of our freedom.

    The only name I have for these talking heads is "cowards."  It is the only thing they have in common.  They have agreed to a lack of principles and cynical stupidity that puts them up front as enemies of the people.  This is not a joke.  The bastards are scum for allowing themselves to be bought off so easily.

    There needs to be a law against journalists kissing the asses of any administration just so they can have their own butts powdered, because when they do so they do so at our peril.  If it was any other profession, one could maybe let it go, although it should be said there is enough blame to go around with other leaders responsible for the information we receive.  

    Scientists are lying to us, the FDA is lying to us, the EPA is lying to us, strangely there are even artists and musicians who are lying to us.
    We have doctors lying to us, educators lying to us, and more.  The sense of unreality that you occasionally feel is real.

    Somebody decided that the American people were fools because they made decisions that were not based on inside information.  Then it was decided that we buy the image over content thing, and the easy superficial answer over knowing.  Then the insiders concluded that since we are fools they should treat us like fools and see how well it works.  Well it works so well that they belong in prison.

    I am sick of newspapers like the New York Times apologizing for lying us into a war one day and then the next day continue lying to us about the war and other things.  The arrogant bastards decided that because of their inside information they are America's new elite.  Elite cowardly trash if you ask me.

  •  The Right Wing Noise Machine is... (none)
    ...so well-disciplined.

    This asinine "They're anti-Italian" smear has been everywhere -- radio, TV, net...

    I wish we were that intellectually dishonest and unscrupulous.

    Russ Feingold for President!

    by Basil on Mon Oct 31, 2005 at 08:45:45 PM PST

  •  Why? (none)
    Why can Scooter Libby call Tim Russert and complain about something Tweety said, and yet we still play ball?

    Isn't about time that Democrats boycott:

    Hardball
    Fox
    Meet The Press

    (Feel feel people to add)

    The deck is stacked against us.  Why do we keep playing?

    The thing with politicians is I wouldn't have suspicions if I saw their worst positions and their ugly underneath...

    by mstarr77 on Mon Oct 31, 2005 at 08:58:39 PM PST

  •  Is Alito Catholic? (none)
    I ask because Mathews has a kind of knee-jerk reaction anytime a Catholic of any political stripe comes under attack. He automatically seems to assume that part of that attack is based on anti-Catholic sentiments.
  •  This is a Catholic issue (none)
    If you are Catholic, I don't mean to offend you, but I guess I just might be doing that ...

    I think this whole issue with Chris Matthews is about him being Catholic. He may be a more liberal Catholic, but he is Catholic nonetheless. Since Chris Matthews is reportedly pro-choice (I haven't heard him specifically state such), the Catholics don't like him, but he likes the Catholics. So, I think he is raising the Italian issue in order to deflect his preference to have a Catholic on the bench. Of course, he might also be manufaturing news in order to sell ads. He might be selling both ideas.

    Religion is never an issue to put somebody on the bench unless it's your own religion. Of course, as an atheist I have no religion and I think I see this issue more objectively.

    •  Why waste time (none)
      trying to understand what's going on in Chris Matthew's head? Look at his ratings! My guess is 90% of his regular viewers (if he has any) live in the blogosphere, whether in the wingnuttia district or in our province over here on the left. And both sides hate his every word. And that's probably what Tweety derives his sense of purpose from right there - he decides he's had a good day if one part of the blogosphere is beating him into a pulp, b/c that's the only kind of response he ever gets.

      If you cannot convince them, confuse them. Harry S. Truman

      by brainwave on Mon Oct 31, 2005 at 09:26:03 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  How are we going to regain a free press? (none)
    We will continue to reap the whirlwind of Neocon-ism until we figure out a way to restore some semblance of a free press to this nation.

    Ownership of information by a few large corporations is not compatible with democracy. It is that simple, and by now it should be obvious.

    We have lost democracy, and we can never get it back until we have broadcast media which are not owned by the existing oligarchs.

    Our first task, by a wide margin, must be to restore the rules of diverse ownership to our media system. Without such a change our country is truly lost.

  •  Cable news (4.00)
    Can I just say after living here 3 years, cable news in this country is the biggest pile of shite I have ever seen, Fox should be on the comedy channel, MSNBC is the zzzzzz channel and Matthews is a real TWAT. CNN are getting there in the stupidity stakes, why do they keep having a waste of space like Pat Robertson or Falwell on, are these fuckwits for real(I thought Iain Paisley was insane til I saw these two god bothering turds)
  •  I heard Chris Matthews' remark live (none)
    ...and all I recall about it was that he said he thought that putting the "mafia" item at top of the list was probably intentional, a veiled suggestion that Alito was "taking care of his own" [my words], thereby implying questionable ethics. I think his theory is at least plausible, considering how much Democrats covet (while decrying) the exquisitely deft way that Rove has slid the knife into so many adversaries.

    I couldn't tell if Matthews was actually disgusted, but I took away the feeling that he definitely thought Dems were intentionally hitting below the belt, and not deftly at all but crudely and without provocation. After reading the full document, I think he's right - kinda analogous to the job CheneyRove did on Wilson and Plame.

    TomEG

  •  Email to Hardfall (none)
    Subject: Honest Journalism?
    To: hardball@msnbc.com

    Mr. Matthews,

    Lately I have taken to watching your program and had
    thought that you were dealing with the CIA "outing" in
    a fairly unbiased way, as journalists should.  But
    after your interpretation today of a perported DNC
    document that I actually read after the program, I no
    longer entertain the idea that you are an unbiased journalist.

    I read nothing in this document that warranted the
    disgusting anti Italian-American slant that you
    attributed to it.  Where is your sense of decency,
    man?  Were you handed your bias in advance without
    even taking in the document and forming your own
    opinion about it?

    I am simply astonished that with all that has been
    said/reported/documented of late about the lengths
    that spinmeisters will go to deflect the truth, that
    you allowed yourself to be so duped and so easily
    taken.  Are you familiar with Judy Miller?  Do you
    strive to follow in her footsteps?

    As it is my choice, I will disengage from your
    program, your network and your internet presence until
    you actually show that "doing your homework on a
    story" means more than accepting a biased
    interpretation as your own.  At least that is what I
    believe you did because anyone who read the actual
    document would not have come to your bigoted
    conclusion unless of course that conclusion was
    provided to you and presented by you without any
    journalistic consideration.

    Sincerely,

  •  Republicans never use nicknames (none)
    as anyone in the White House will tell you, right turd blossom?

    . . . solutions emerge from [our] judicious study of discernible reality.

    by realitybased on Mon Oct 31, 2005 at 09:55:43 PM PST

  •  Did anyone else see... (none)
    On Friday, did anyone else watch MSNBC during the Fitzmas coverage see Chris Matthews say something along the lines of "he likes to squeeze number twos" in reply to one of the talking heads saying how fitz was going after the aides?

    Matthews is trying hard to move to, or please the right wing.

  •  Actually, on further reflection (none)
    I think the Democrats' memo was at the very least maladroit [read 'stupid,' 'dumb,' 'numbskulled'] politically. They lobbed a softball at the Radical Righteousniks by releasing a document that reads, whether intentionally or not, like the sort of dreck Richard Nixon put out in his pre-Pennsylvania-Avenue campaigns. Dean looked to me to be really embarrassed when asked about the piece. I don't blame him.

    I don't see the race/ethnicity baiting you allege. I definitely do clearly see Republican hardball. Their stuff is embarrassingly transparent (to me anyway) but I think the Dems really stepped in it, and I can't say the right is wrong to try and exploit the slip. Lefties have pulled the same kind of "I'm shocked..." bullshit time and again.

    I'm not condescending when I say 'calm down.' I really think you're overreacting, but then I'm vanilla white, unfortunately.

    •  I agree. (none)
      And the Scalito remark has nothing to do with it. Its the fact that this stuff about the mafia came first in the document; that does seem odd. Even if it wasn't intentional they should have known it would look bad. Im not really concerned about how many crooks he put in jail anyhow; he's up for a supreme court seat, I care about him protecting accused rights, about abortion rights, free speech... civil liberties in general. Why would his job as a prosector be at the top of the list? I have to admit it seems like a low blow to me too, I agree with Matthews.
      •  Oh Please... (none)
        People.  We have been SCREAMING for months about Democrats standing up and fighting.  For years now the right has used every immoral and unscrupulous tactic they can dream up to change the topic of conversation long enough to push through whatever horrible idea they've come up with this time.  Accusing us of being bigots is just the one they've come up with now to distract us from just how BAD this nominee would be for this country.

        Stop it.

        Yes, it's time for Dems to fight this one out.  And it's time for us to back up anyone and everyone of them who does.  Obsessing about whether one particular point should have been included or came in the wrong order or not is doing exactly what their opponents hope.  Since when have Republicans had the slightest qualm about including anything and everything they can think up against Dems (truth being optional)?  Hell, this anti-Italian-American thing is even another example of it.

        Get over it.  And start telling everyone you know just WHY this judge is such a love-letter to the extreme right.

  •  Drdgito better than Tweety (none)
    I just asked NBC to change the name of Hardball to the Drudgito Report.  Does that make me a racist?  If so against or for which race?
  •  make that Drudgito (none)
  •  The bigotry comes from Tweety (none)
    So where did the bigotry come in?

    When Matthews linked a Mafia-related prosecution and an Italian-American judge. That was the moment when the race-based connection was made.

    It isn't in the document. It was in Matthews' mind.

  •  This is just a distracting sideshow, in my view (none)
    OK, we know Tweety is a corporate pawn.  Call him on it, and get back to calling C-Span, writing those LTEs, telling the people at the supermarket about "Sammy Strip Search" Alito, and calling conservative talk radio so their listeners hear about something other than the abortion issue that the MSM seems fixated on: the Family and Medical Leave Act, the disability case, the discrimination.  Howard Dean is the only Dem I have heard talking about these things. Add our voices to his lonely voice in the wilderness out there.

    "If you are not outraged, you are not paying attention."

    by adigal on Tue Nov 01, 2005 at 04:00:21 AM PST

  •  Matthews and abortion (none)
    And the ethnic slur was not the end of it. He kept baiting Dean on the use of the term "pro-choice." After decades of being cornered by lfe-hating Republicans as murderers for supporting the personal integrity of women, even pregnant women, Democrats are finally learning to play the frame game.

    But rather than raise the quality of the dialogue, Matthews drags the media down even further by refusing to disucss the real meat of the abortion wars, and instead works up a sweat try to polarize the debate even further. "Hmm, it's interesting, your party has always been the pro-choice party, but you won't say that now" (or something to that effect.

    Kudos to Governor Dean for not lowering himself to Matthews' level.

  •  Forget (none)
    about this crap. It's nothing but a distraction from discussing Sammy the Strip Search artist's record. Obviously, the GOP DOES NOT want to talk about his record.

    I'm too disgusted right now to think of a sig.

    by Ga6thDem on Tue Nov 01, 2005 at 05:02:39 AM PST

  •  Ah! Racism!!! (none)
    Just what the Rebubs know sooo much about! (Especially in the South!) That's why I'm not surprised that THEY would point their fingers and yell "Racist!", even if they have to manufacture the situation. The old shell game! Now which shell is that bigot under again! Let's see! Maybe this one! "Dems" No! Not that one! "Rebubs"  ;-p

    BDMAC

  •  Repubs think Italians like child molestation? (none)
    Alito supported the strip search of a 10 year old girl in order to investigate her father, and he said parents can't demand schools protect kids from sexual predators.  

    I know lots of Catholic Italians, and ZERO of them support this kind of bullshit.  

    If the Republicans think this guy is the ideal Italian, I'd like to see them explain how his positions on these issues represent the Italian mainstream, because I just don't get it.  AT ALL.

  •  Who believes Chris Matthews is a journalist? (none)
    On either his October 16 or October 23 show, Chris "Jocko" Matthews talked about the new movie Good Night, and Good Luck. He praised the courage of Fred Murrow and the others who defied McCarthyism, and then he threw in a comment that there really were Communists in the American government. He didn't belabor the point, but he did say it. The historical fact is, of course, that no Communist was ever exposed by McCarthy's investigations; that McCarthy had no business asking in the first place is beside the point.

    I don't know whether McCarthy is ignorant or is pandering to the Coulterites or what, but the impression I get of that clod is that he doesn't so much as speak as let others put words on the TelePrompTer for him to echo. Chris Matthews is a world class jackass.

    Yes, Oceania has WMDs. It's always had them. That's why we're at war.

    by Kurt Kaletka on Tue Nov 01, 2005 at 06:29:00 AM PST

  •  The metadata that Microsoft Word... (none)
    adds to documents could easily have been forged. I'm not exactly sure how that metadata is created but I suspect that the name of the author that is listed as making a revision either comes from the userid that a user uses to logon to Windows or it comes from data that a user enters when they are first installing Word on their PCs. It's probably the latter. To forge something like this, all you would have to do is set up, say, three seperate PCs, install Word on each one, enter the names of the people you are trying to smear when the Word installation program asks you to enter a name for the user of the software. Then you'd simply create a new Word document on one of the PCs, add your smears to it, pass it around to the other two PCs and additional smears, then send it out to media whores like Matthews. Very easy, you see.
  •  Rovian Swift Boat forgery (none)
    This whole mafia case "talking points list" sounds like pure Rovian bullshit to me. This forgery... er... umm... document... does not fit in at all with the Democratic game plan for nailing Alito but it fits in completely with the Republican talking points we've already been hearing about oppossition to Alito being an ethnic thing.

    This is pure rovian bullshit and tweety is a rovian shill.

  •  Those Townhall Pukes (none)
    are real pieces of work.

    Our local library held a citizens' forum on the election reform amendments here in Ohio last week.  A bunch of Townhall Pukes showed up.  

    They acted like junior-high school punks - actually "high-fiving" each other after they made their points.  These were grown men, mind you.  It was sad - I was embarassed for them - they looked so pathetic and stupid. They were completely incapable of staying focused on the merits of the issue.

    The moderators did a good job of trying to keep the discussion focused on the issues, but the Townhall Pukes still managed to leave a few droppings like "we shouldn't use the fact that Oregon uses vote-by-mail for all their elections because Oregon just approved live sex acts on stage."  

    You could almost hear people saying "HUH?  What does THAT have to do with anything?"

    In sharp contrast was the forum the library held the previous week on another ballot issue.  Everyone in attendance was genuinely interested in learning more about the issue and discussing the merits.  

    The junior-high school punks from Townhall snuck into the grownups' meeting the next week and made it impossible to have a civil, mature discussion.

    I'm SO glad to see their prank backfired on them this time with the Scalito memo.  Couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of punks.

    Support The Troops, Demand The Truth

    by MamaBear on Tue Nov 01, 2005 at 09:16:13 AM PST

  •  I have adopted my own personal favorite name (none)
    for Scalito: Sammy "Machine Gun" Alito. Now that's Italian.

    "Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together - mass hysteria." Dr. Peter Venkman

    by Eggman on Tue Nov 01, 2005 at 09:35:22 AM PST

  •  Lush response (none)
    Rush Limbaugh has nothing better to do than to quote this awesome piece by Hunter.  He read it word for word in his drug-addled, criminally insane voice of his.

    You bagged that sob bigtime!!  You da MAN!!

    Until it is banned, the republican party is, has been, and always will be, America's Ultimate Hate Crime Against Humanity.

  •  Congratulations, you were just mentioned by Rush (none)

    Lead, follow, or get out of the way.

    by TerraByte on Tue Nov 01, 2005 at 10:49:07 AM PST

  •  Fat Junkie (none)
    Hunter You in big trubba now... The junkie from Cape is on  your case. Rush please lay off that HIllbillie Heyron it's messin' with your mind..........
  •  Tweety's come a long way (none)
    from when he was a thinking human being. Here's a quote from the WP in 1982.
    The administrative assistant to House Speaker Tip O'Neill, Chris Matthews, has told staff members not to bother with Times reporters. "The Rev. Moon can buy a newspaper, but I can't buy the idea he's a newspaperman," says Matthews. "We work hard enough responding to legitimate press inquiries."
    That quote was from before Tweets joined the "new" Moon molded theocratic right in looking the other way while their "Messiah" manipulated our nation's political structures. Moon brags about using the Washington Times to "influence" our nation. Yep, thanks to the decades of rationalizing and soul selling by the "new" right, Moon has his hands firmly on the wheel, read some how he did it HERE.

    "Sun Myung Moon has more to do with our nation's political climate than anyone. Anyone!" - moonboots

    by moonboots on Tue Nov 01, 2005 at 12:18:03 PM PST

  •  Hunter FYI (none)
    Today, Tuesday, about 2pm est Rush Limbaugh read parts of this dairy on the radio. He referenced your diary to reenforce his point that "even liberal democrats" are turning against one of "their own", Matthews, about the Judge Alito slamming.
    Rush snarkily called the site the "Daily Chaos"

    He is such a jerk.

  •  What was the point? (none)
    Why was his failure to win a conviction 17 years ago point numero uno on his research sheet?  And how is that relevant?

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