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A reader got the following flyer. Looks like an official Democratic Party voter guide. I mean, it has the Democratic Party logo on it, and says, "Official Democrat and Progressive Voter Guide".

But then look inside, and look at the candidates:

The flyer pits independent (and former Republican) Russ Potts against Democrat Tim Kaine. On issues of Choice, Gays, and Guns, the flyer claims that Potts is a great progressive while Kaine is against all that. So who put this together, this guide pretending to be an "official" Democratic Party guide urging Democrats and Progressives to vote against the Democratic candidate?

Virginians for Jerry Kilgore.

Kilgore is the Republican candidate, and "Virginians for Jerry Kilgore" is his official campaign committee.

Update: Better resolution pics here.

Originally posted to Daily Kos on Sun Nov 06, 2005 at 09:16 AM PST.

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  •  Moral Values (none)

    "Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph." (T. Paine)

    by dmmteacher on Sun Nov 06, 2005 at 09:18:43 AM PST

    •  Trademark (none)
      The DNC needs to trademark the official seal, and any and ALL graphics, and variations thereof, and require permission to reprint any of the trademarks. Without that, there are no legal legs for us to stand on against this type of attack.

      Remember the anti-gay marriage ads last year that died before they started because they used a copyrighted picture.

      There's nothing like a high-profile lawsuit and settlement to bring this kind of evil trickery to light.

      Americans are apt to be unduly interested in discovering what average opinion believes average opinion to be. (J.M. Keynes)

      by davinic on Sun Nov 06, 2005 at 09:38:44 AM PST

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      •  Nah (none)
        The DNC needs to trademark the official seal, and any and ALL graphics, and variations thereof, and require permission to reprint any of the trademarks.

        Nah, it wouldn't be practical.  If I want to hold a picnic for my precinct, should I have to get in touch with the DNC to ask permission to use a donkey on my postcard?  Should the DNC have the staff to both grant such permission and deal with enforcement against those Democrats who fail to seek permission (and thus dilute the trademark)?

        We're doing things the right way now.

        -Waldo Jaquith

      •  Sure give away (none)
        The front page uses the term "official Democrat" and as you know that is the Republican name for our party, not our real name.
        •  if we keep on playing nice and go along just to (none)
          get along, we'll always end up being diebold. Gotta det down in the ditch, real mean and dirty. Pull a Ukraine revolution if we have to. If we don't tolerate dirty tricks  there, why should we here?

          Sue the bastard. Hold him up to the light on a bamboo pole. Then and only then will the GOP consider us serious.

          Let's stop feeding greed. In fact, propose we make it a commandment: The greedy shall not be fed.

          by idredit on Sun Nov 06, 2005 at 12:00:54 PM PST

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        •  I Picked up on That Too (none)
          When the republicans are dirty tricking the voting public, they refer to the Democratic Party as the "Democrat Party."  It's a not very well hidden code.  Unfortunately there are voters out there who won't pick up on it.
      •  Yes and no.... (none)
        In the U.S., trademark rights arise from use, not from registration.  I checked--the DNC apparently has no trademark registrations whatsoever (though the DCCC logo is registered).  The difficulty with trademarking the donkey logo (as pointed out below) is the licensing nightmare that's potentially involved in doing so--there'd have to be a license for every campaign, every local party, every state party, and maybe more.  (And it's impossible to police anyway.)
    •  We need to get this story (none)
      to the local media, and fast!!!!!!

      Yeah yeah, I know, the Rapture is coming.

      by Nathaniel Ament Stone on Sun Nov 06, 2005 at 10:05:38 AM PST

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      •  I have (4.00)
        emailed local NBC stations in Richmond, Roanoke, Newport News, Charlottesville, and Bristol. Can't find Fairfax, Alexandria, Winchester, or Arlington, but I'll keep trying.

        Yeah yeah, I know, the Rapture is coming.

        by Nathaniel Ament Stone on Sun Nov 06, 2005 at 10:36:11 AM PST

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      •  ACTION!!! ACTION!!! ACTION (4.00)
        So, Kos, a front-page should go a long way for something like this, but it seems that DailyKos should be able to create a mobilization with guidance on how to fight last minute battles like this.  What are legal issues that can be raised?  What are press outlets that can handle this at last minute?  What are legal challenges that might be issued?  (Would it be a news item, perhaps, to have a formal complaint file with the U.S. Post Office for mail fraud?)  I am far from an expert in the legal particulars, but it seems certain to me that there are reasonable grounds for creating noise about 'illegal' election tactics.

        This was my post in MLK's diary, which was not front-paged but did make recommended late yesterday into Sunday morning:

        MLK --

        Thank you very much for calling attention to this. It was not until this morning that I realized that I had this dirty trick sitting in my recycling bin.  As I am aware exactly who I'm voting for, when it comes to "Democratic" mailings, I'm mainly annoyed at the wasted dollars targeting a household where both voters are actively involved in campaigns.  Minor complaint.  So, I had not read this until this morning.

        Now, I am OUTRAGED and angered at perhaps such a clear DIRTY TRICK sent into my household.

        NOW -- PLEASE ADD "ACTION ALERT" to your title along with a suggestion:

        *  Please pass this information to all Virginians you know and, if possible, anyone involved with the press who might report on this clear example of Republican efforts to (again) win via dirty tricks rather than honest engagement with the politicians.

        This was sent to arrive in VA Democrats mailboxes Saturday or Monday ... in part, I am sure, that there would be a media delay in potential reporting on this dirty trick.  For example, I was published related to the campaign in three local papers.  None of these, however, will be able to publish this information prior to election day. I have, however, already passed this information to roughly 25 journalists in a variety of venues. Hopefully, this could be the lead news item the evening before the elections and on the front page of newspapers Tuesday morning ...

        In addition, what would be fantastic if some prosecutor somewhere in the Commonwealth or a Fed (doubtful under this Admin) would announce a Grand Jury investigation of this postal fraud tomorrow.  Anyone know a Prosecutor in the Commonwealth?

        •  There are a number of options (none)
          Even at this late date, there are a few options for getting the word out.

          1. Calling and email trees -- just about all Democratic voters know other Democratic voters.  The Kaine campaign can call a number of campaign workers and voters, and have them spread the word to neighbors.  Blogs can play a part in getting this ball rolling, of course, as people who read the notice here and who know others in Virginia can call and/or email those people.

          2. Direct email notification -- if the Kaine campaign has a substantial email list, they can get the word out very, very quickly.  This is a big reason for campaigns to amass email lists, by the way.

          3. Robocalls -- if the Kain campaign either has a calling center of access to robocalling firms, they can have calls made to large numbers of Democratic and Independent voters to notify them of the flyer.

          4. Press outlets -- there are still a couple of press cycles to get the word out.

          5. GOTV/Grassroots/Boots on the ground -- spread the word via door-to-door get-out-the-vote efforts (campaign workers and outside groups) and word of mouth from neighbor-to-neighbor

          6. If we were Republicans who didn't have scruples, we could also use Church pulpits on Sunday to spread the word.  However, this of course would be unethical and probably illegal, so we'll leave that to the Kilgore campaign to pull crap like that.
          •  A number for volunteers (none)
            especially for NOVA folks or out of staters:

            703-720-2600 Northern Virginia Volunteers

            Got this from our county's rep from the campaign, who is setting up phone banks in Fredricksburg, south of DC.

            BTW, Spotsylvania and Stafford counties are some of the only places Jerry is doing better than dead even.

            Please call now.

            Cumberland Virginia

            •  Know what ... (none)
              while squeeking out a win would be a nice result, what would make me thrilled is not a "Bush mandate" with the political capital of a fraudelent 51%, but a real Democratic mandate and sign of change with a 55 (or 60) percent win Tuesday.

              I am on break from walking neighborhoods with my six-year old who is convinced that the nation will be on the right track as soon as "George Bush is sent behind bars for a long time out ..."  From her mouth to G-d's ears ...

    •  Kilgore is one slimey SOB (none)
      I just received a call purporting to be from Tim Kaine telling me exactly how anti-choice he is. I wish I had recorded the damned thing; because I am damned sure that Kaine's campaign is not calling people in Arlington (one of the most solidly Democratic Counties in VA) telling folks how anti-choice he is -- especially since he has gone to great pains to state that his opposition is personal and that he supports a woman's right to choose. The call claimed to be from something like the "Honest Leadership for Virginia PAC" with a registration number 05034.

      Oh, look. It's some Kilgore supporting scumbags. What a shock.

      "Honest Leadership for Virginia supports the election of conservative Republican candidates in the state of Virginia, including 2005 gubernatorial candidate Jerry Kilgore."

      Slimy bastards. Have the Republicans no shame?

      Craig Pennington

      Corollary to Clarke's Third Law: Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced.

      by krow10 on Sun Nov 06, 2005 at 01:50:52 PM PST

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  •  Not Surprised (none)
    Totally not surprised ...

    And the Forrester camp here in New Jersey is flooding the dialogue with incredibly ugly rumors about Corzine's personal life.

    Same party, same stuff.

    "When you starve the beast, you starve the people. And the bathtub was a reference to New Orleans." -- bink

    by bink on Sun Nov 06, 2005 at 09:18:54 AM PST

    •  Hey! Two new polls out this a.m. in Jersey (4.00)
      Including Friday and Saturday, after the Forrester rumormongering began -- Dem internal poll has Corzine up by 12, external poll has him up by 9! Let's hope Kilgore's ugliness is very bit as effective as Forrester's!

      The public wants what the public gets, but I don't get what this society wants -- Paul Weller

      by jamfan on Sun Nov 06, 2005 at 09:21:08 AM PST

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    •  do something (none)
      email every news station in Virginia. Tell the Kaine campaign to alert the media. Do whatever you can.

      I found NBC stations to email in Roanoke, Richmond, Charlottesville, Newport News, Bristol, and Winchester. I also emailed:

      Yeah yeah, I know, the Rapture is coming.

      by Nathaniel Ament Stone on Sun Nov 06, 2005 at 11:08:42 AM PST

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  •  ah, classic Rove (none)
    Isn't it nice to see how Rove's despicable tactics have been ingrained in the Republican party at all levels?

    "People seem not to see that their opinion of the world is also a confession of their character."--Ralph Waldo Emerson

    by rioduran on Sun Nov 06, 2005 at 09:20:09 AM PST

    •  Yep (4.00)
      He's not the brilliant strategist that everyone keeps insisting he is. It's pretty easy to tell lies.
      Some one needs to forward one of those flyers to Keith Olbermann at MSNBC. Or maybe Jon Stewart at Comedy Central.
    •  WA state too (none)
      The State and County GOPpers are playing Rovian style voter supression games in King County. Not to mention that Irons has mailed out some very slimy hit pieces on Sims.

      At least here the local media was outraged at the attempts at voter disenfranchisement. Furthermore the morons made the mistake of pulling their crap on an attorney who has already been in contact with the county prosecutor and is considering a civil suit.

  •  Clue: We're Democrats (4.00)
    and it's the Democratic Party. Why do they keep wanting to make us the "Democrat Party"? (Please, no one tell me to read Ayn Rand again....)
    •  Democratic would be illegal. (none)
      'Democrat' keeps it, technically, not a breach of the law.

      "If only lies had semen stains..." -- Jon Stewart

      by HollywoodOz on Sun Nov 06, 2005 at 09:25:46 AM PST

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    •  That's their out.... (none)
      ....they were not pretending to be the "Democratic Party". Disgusting.

      "What luck for rulers that men do not think." - Adolf Hitler

      by Bensdad on Sun Nov 06, 2005 at 09:26:17 AM PST

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    •  That's the dead give-away.. (4.00)
      "Official Democrat and progressive voter guide."

      What children these GOP are. Bloggers using pejorative terms is one thing, but you don't see Democratic leaders running around talking about "Rethuglicans" the entire right-wing made up of five-year olds?

      You can lead a conservative to logic, but you can't make them think!

      by mrCurmudgeon on Sun Nov 06, 2005 at 09:29:26 AM PST

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    •  Insane cultists (none)
      I think the use of "democrat party" is an insane cultist thing going on in the GOP. They can't stop using it, because it's their slur against democrats. The problem for them is they have swallowed their propaganda a whole lot more than non-cultists have, and to outsiders it does sound extremely weird.

      GOP: Party before Country

      by puppethead on Sun Nov 06, 2005 at 09:32:15 AM PST

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      •  Democrat/Democratic Party (none)
        I first discovered the GOP use of "Democrat Party" about a year ago -- and since then, I've noticed the most hard-core of Republicans tend to use the term (ie. Tom DeLay in a news conference).
        •  It appeared in the 2004 campaign. (none)
          I can't remember the details but I read/heard news stories about a Republican consultant drawing up a list of words and phrases they should use to make the Dems look bad. "Democrat" rather than "Democratic" was one of them.
          •  re: It appeared in the 2004 campaign (none)
            Actually, I remember it pre-1994.  I've always considered it a mark of surrender when you let your opponents name you.  When the Democrats acquiesed to being called the Democrat Party, it was only a matter of time before they lost Congress.  They let the Republicans define the battleground.

            Isn't it time to take it back?

            •  Newt Gingrich wrote a style manual (none)
              for republican canidates, sometime before the 1994 elections, in which he delineated the adjectives that should be applied to each. Of course, they're "honest" "commited", whathaveyou,

              and we're a bunch of cheating, lying radical socialists.

              They use "DEMOCRAT" for the same reason they refer to "The Gays" and not just "Gays".

              "Democratic" is an adjective, and in our society, a positive one.

              "Democrat" is a creepy cabal of people who want to rule you, like "Theocrat" or "Autocrat".

              It's not that complicated, it's just evil.

              We're the democratic party, damit.

              Capitalism and Nationalism are not your friends. God? Maybe.

              by Ihowl on Sun Nov 06, 2005 at 12:15:13 PM PST

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              •  Or 'bureaucrat" (none)
                Good catch, I hadn't made that connection, just thought it was intended to be a subliminal play on 'rat'

                "bureaucrat" really fits their framing: inept, derisible, big wasteful government

      •  Let's Give Them A Name (none)
        if they like to call us the Democrat Party, let's shorten their name.

        From now on, Democratic leaders should call them the Publican Party.  Pronounced: pube-lickin'

        Judyneric is Extraordinary.

        by judyneric on Sun Nov 06, 2005 at 03:19:56 PM PST

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    •  Can't bring themselves to call us 'democratic' (none)
      ... even when they're trying to impersonate us.

      There's thuggishness, and then there's utterly incompetent thuggishness -- so blinded by their talking points that they don't even know when ignoring them would be in their own (deceitful) interest.

      Just more evidence that Republicans can't be trusted to manage anything correctly -- even their own campaigns.

      P.S., this isn't a legal calculation, it's ideological blindness. Right-wing pundits and politicians use the same awkward and disrespectful locution (even mangling proper names like "Democrat National Committee") religiously.


      Obstructionist? Hell, everybody's an obstructionist.
      They obstruct justice; we obstruct injustice.
      Choose your side.

      by Sharpner on Sun Nov 06, 2005 at 09:56:54 AM PST

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    •  there's a very specific reason (4.00)

      The heavily funded right wing think-tanks research how words can be used to best help their cause.  "Democrat Party" polled more negatively with sample groups than "Democratic Party", and the memo went out, which is why you hear all the right wing propagandists using the term.

      This is all being carefully coordinated.  Language itself is being corrupted to help this corrupt neo-fascist movement.

      Make a mental note every time you hear a wingnut use the "democrat party" term.  It's all part of the coordinated propaganda campaign.

      Why do the facts, reality and objective truth hate America and the baby Jesus?

      by WinSmith on Sun Nov 06, 2005 at 09:58:55 AM PST

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      •  Good observation (none)
        Republican ideologues realize that language itself frames issues - not content, but the language itself.  The content itself is secondary, even irrelevant.

        Democrats - who, after all, live in the reality-based community - make their arguments with facts and figures, rationally and intelligently, pointing out errors in policy, its real-world consequences, and why our ideas are better.

        Republicans - who have mastered Orwell even while causing him to do endless sarcophagal somersaults - have learned that the public can be manipulated and controlled purely by means of framing, regardless of any substance.  They move behind the intellect to the affections and have been shockingly successful.

        But Democrats have the advantage - once we learn to frame issues in emotional ways, we will have the clear advantage, because our ideas will actually benefit people and make America a better country.  We don't require the noble lie or the Orwellian double-speak because the truth is noble and simple.

        "Man's capacity for justice makes democracy possible; but man's inclination to injustice makes democracy necessary." - Reinhold Niebuhr

        by Mahanoy on Sun Nov 06, 2005 at 10:16:54 AM PST

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  •  Since we are (4.00)
    part of the reality based community...
    we are better than the echo chamber Rethugligans...

    It must be pointed out that Kaine pulled a similar stunt just days earlier.

    It is just a dirty dirty dirty race.

    •  He did? (none)
      Do you have a link?
      •  Yes. (4.00)
        Kaine started the ball rolling.

        Just days before voters head out to the polls, the Kaine campaign is slapped with a fine by the Virginia Board of Elections. Additionally, a complaint is being turned over to the commonwealth's attorney to determine if the Kaine camp went so far as to purposely break the law. All of this controversy surrounds a flyer that the Kaine campaign sent out by mail.

        The mailer looks to be sent out by the Republican Party and in fact, has the party's logo on the cover, but the message inside the flyer is clearly against republican candidate Jerry Kilgore. And only in tiny print, does the flyer ever say it was created by the Democrat Kaine campaign.

        Chris Piper of the Virginia Board of Elections stated, "The disclaimer is in fact placed there, they're arguing that it is not conspicuous".

        "If only lies had semen stains..." -- Jon Stewart

        by HollywoodOz on Sun Nov 06, 2005 at 09:28:10 AM PST

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        •  damnit! (none)
          That takes the wind out of my anger. Oh well then, nothing to see here, folks. Both sides are pathetic.

          -7.00,-7.74 No one can terrorize a whole nation, unless we are all his accomplices. -- Edward R Murrow

          by subtropolis on Sun Nov 06, 2005 at 09:37:33 AM PST

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          •  Stupid Mistake and an Opportunity (none)
            It was a VERY dumb move for the Kaine campaign to authorize the flier they put out. They were wrong, and come tomorrow they should admit it.

            Kaine should hold a really, REALLY big press conference and admit he was wrong. He should tell the people of VA that his campaign crossed the line and he takes responsiblility for this deceptive flyer. And he should tell the people of VA that he hopes Kilgore will do the same with his campaign and the VERY decptive flyer they authorized (holding up the flyer here would be a good idea).

            Continue about how this campaign is about making VA a better place for all it's citizens not about winning at all costs and then appologize for loosing sight of that.

            That's how I would take this bone head mistake and make it not so bad.

            •  Are we sure that (none)
              the Kaine campaign put out the fake republican pamphlet?  Remember Rove really likes to put out flyers against his candidate and then smear the opponent for going nasty first.  He has done this many times.

              Before going ballistic on our candidate, check to see if they even did that.  I bet anything they did not put it out. what this does for Kilgore, is get people to just opt out of voting because they are all bad.  Then they win.

              •  This mailing was authorized ... (none)
                Take a look at the link to the pdf farther down in the comments and look at the text on the right side of the image on page 2. It says, "This mailing was authorized and paid for by Kaine for Governor."

                If that doesn't authenticate it to the Kaine campaign then I don't know what does. The flier from the Kilgore campaign has a similar line: "Paid for and authorized by Virginians for Jerry Kilgore".

                Everyone makes mistakes, but I think that it's important that Democrats admit them.

                •  Given the history... (none)
                  If that doesn't authenticate it to the Kaine campaign then I don't know what does.

                  No, it really doesn't.  Today's Republican Party pulls crap all the time to make it look like Democrats are actually the ones playing dirty.

                  I'd be skeptical until the Kaine campaing put out a press release taking responsibility.

                  •  Exactly. (none)
                    Until the printer of the flyers can be traced and documents showing a Kaine campaign member paid for the flyers, I will not believe the story.  Rove has pulled this many, many times.

                     In fact, in the Dan Rather incident the documents "appeared" suddenly in the hands of a particular Texan who then gave them to a reporter.  this gave the story of Bush being AWOL "legs."  The story lasted for over a week.  Then the follow up punch:  The docs were "forgeries" revealed by a man who cannot be trusted.  End of Story.  Forever.

                     A Rove plant gave those "forged" docs to a man who could be easily discredited.  Put the truth out and then discredit the source.  Put the flyers out and then discredit the name on the flyers.  He actually bugged his own office once and then accused the dems for it.  Worked too.

        •  hogwash (none)
          Kaine merely forwarded a press release from a Republican organization to Republican voters. You're allowed to do talk to voters.
          •  It was dishonest... period (none)
            It was an attempt to confuse voters as to where the message was truly coming from.

            The average GOPer will read that flyer and think:

            "Gee, the Club for Growth, a GOP friendly organization sent me this message.  They must have some real concerns with Kilgore if they bothered to mail this flyer to me."

            •  Wrongy! (4.00)
              They do have real concerns. Read the press release they wrote after the mailer came out, one paragraph about how it wasn't their mailer and then seven paragraphs about how Kilgore was unfriendly to tax payers.

              The difference is huge, I can't help the fact that you can't see that.

              •  Righty! (none)
                Yes or no:  Both Kaine and Kilgore sent a flyer hoping that the recipients would believe it was authorized and sent from an organization that did not in fact send it, and both hoped that the recipients would not realize that it came from their respective campaigns.
                •  You do realize (none)
                  that you sound like Bill O'Reilly, don't you?
                  You're intentionally ignoring the good points made by others here in order to push your single talking point.
                  Why is that?
                  •  I am not trying to ignore people's points (4.00)
                    I am trying to focus people on the real issue.

                    Here, the issue being debated is whether Kaine and/or Kilgore sent out flyers that were designed to lead the recipients to believe something that was not true - namely that the flyer was authorized and produced by an organization other than their respective campaigns.

                    In both cases, the answer to this question is a resounding yes.

                    If it appears that I am "ignoring" points, that is because I must be poorly communicating the issue at hand.  My apologies if I have not been as clear as I should be.

                  •  Look at that Washington Post link below (4.00)
                    I agree that if the Kaine campaign had not included  the big elephant logo on the first page, then the two flyers would be totally different.  But with that logo on the first page I think it's clear that this issue is a wash for the parties - both were engaging the exact same kind of deception.  In fact that stunt by the Kaine campaign seems kind of foolish since really the substance of the press release really didn't need that elephant logo.

                    Choosing to emphasise certain points over others is not 'being like Bill O'Reilly'.  It's called judgement, and all thinking people should be able to, and are in fact encouraged to, do it.  The second liberals forget that, we become conservatives.

        •  Is it known that Kaine sent this out? (4.00)
          In tiny print, it says it was created by "the Democrat Kaine campaign"?  Isn't that kind of a red flag that Republicans actually created the flyer?

          Such a double-crossing dirty tricks effort to further impugn the Kaine campaign wouldn't surprise me either.

      •  Here (none)

        Notice that the only indication that it is from Kaine is the TINY little VERTICAL type next to the photo.

        The flyer serves the same function as Kilgore's.

        •  big difference, though (none)
          Recipients can tell immediately that the one Kaine sent out was not FROM Republicans, whereas the one from Kilgore appears to actually be from the Democratic Party.
          •  Tiny difference (4.00)
            Both appear to be from organizations which in reality, did NOT send the flyer.
            Both were designed to be confusing and, in spirit, very dishonest.

            We as a party can't critize the shrub's ethical problems from the high road if we are driving through the mud of the low road.

            Either we are against politicans using "clever"  technicalities in order to confuse the public or we are for it.

            •  While this is true... (none)
              ...I will note that even though we complain about this sort of thing, complaints are far less effective than the dirty tricks themselves.  So I'm rather ambivalent as to whether we should be complaining, or simply playing on the same ballfield.
          •  I don't think so.... (none)
            Without looking at the very fine print, I would have guessed this flyer was a somewhat misleading attempt by the VA Club for Growth to convince voters that Kilgore did not have the full support of the Republican Party. Someone less politically savvy might reasonably assume it came from the VA Republican Party just on the basis of the logo on the front. But it didn't, and so it is misleading at best. The VA Club for Growth has disavowed the flyer. This is sleazy at best, and possibly illegal. No one who is in favor of honesty and openness in government should defend crap like this. Sleaze is sleaze.
    •  The Kaine thing (none)
      What the Kaine campaign did was reproduce a letter put out by the Club for Growth questioning Kilgore's conservative commitment and send it out. The Club for Growth had actually said those thing.
      •  Splitting hairs (none)
        Both were intentionally dishonest in their attempt to confuse the recipient as to who was actually behind the production of the flyer.  Both were clever attempts to pull of "base" party members.

        I don't believe that Kilgore's was any worse or better.  In Kilgore's, the facts that were presented were all accurate.  Kaine DOES have positions that are to the right of the Green candidate.

        •  Huge differences (none)
          Kaine forwarded a press release from a Republican orginization to Republican voters. Potts is not the green party candidate, he's a Republican running as an independent. Kaine's camp didn't write that it was an "official" mailer.
          •  I mispoke - Re: Green party (none)
            What I mean to communicate was that the information - to by knowledge - is accurate.

            Potts positions as listed are accurate and Kaine's positions as compared to Potts are accurate.

            Kilgore was simply "fowarding" these policy positions to voters.

            I simply refuse to defend a candidate because he is acting "less unethically" than his opponent.
            I am no Republican.

            •  to by knowledge = (none)
              to my knowledge
            •  It's not accurate at all (none)
              It's deliberately misleading and oftentimes is the exact opposite of what Kilgore himself has claimed while in public.
              For example, he's publicly bashed Kaine for supporting the Herndon center, but here he tries to pretend that only Potts supports it.

              While Kaine's mailer might be wrong, this one takes quite a few steps further.  It'l ok to call Kaine on his deception, but don't be fooled into that old trap of blaming both sides equally when one side is clearly worse than the other.

    •  Re: Dirty dirty dirty race (none)
      That said, I hope Kilgore gets his ass kicked.
  •  Kos, one correction though... (4.00)
    It doesn't say Official Democratic and Progressive Voter Guide -- it says Official Democrat and Progressive Voter Guide.

    Small, but telling, distinction, eh?

    Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has. -- Margaret Mead

    by ilona on Sun Nov 06, 2005 at 09:22:37 AM PST

  •  The Rovians rule the Republican Party (none)
    New Jersey, Virginia, same old shit!

    Greenspan is "one of the biggest political hacks we have in Washington." -- Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev.

    by slip kid no more on Sun Nov 06, 2005 at 09:22:40 AM PST

  •  Flashback to earlier this year (none)
    A special election in Alabama to fill a vacanacy i the state Legislature. The Christian Coalition passes out a flier that claims the Democratic candidate (widow of the legislator who died, prompting the special election) supports gay marriage because he didn't sign a pledge to oppose it.

    Republican Tactics 101.

  •  This has to break some kind of election law, no? (none)
    Can you really call something the "official Democrat" voters' guide in your campaign advertising when it is no way the official guide, even with the "paid for by" disclaimer? And send it through the federal mail system?

    The public wants what the public gets, but I don't get what this society wants -- Paul Weller

    by jamfan on Sun Nov 06, 2005 at 09:23:19 AM PST

  •  I saw this mentioned (none)
    in the diaries yesterday. Glad you got pics. I suggested they contact the local TV news shows. This might not be illegal (or is it?), but it's at least deceptive as hell. Just about as low a trick as possible. They could make it work in their favor. Does anyone know, is it on the local news there?

    When you stop being paranoid, that's when they get you.

    by astraea on Sun Nov 06, 2005 at 09:23:36 AM PST

  •  Questionable tactics (none)
    It is this kind of tactic that so often backfires, though.  While there may be a few thousand voters that actually read the flyer instead of throwing it away, the number of voters who will actually change their vote to Russ Potts are probably extremely small.  

    On the other hand, "moral values" voters that read about this kind of underhanded tactic on television, reported as something "despicable" and eventually causing the Kilgore campaign to have to pay a fine to the Election Board (which makes it something akin of a crime, or illegal) are turned off by this.  Hundreds of thousands of registered Virginia voters turned off by another backfiring Republican tactic.

    Jerome Wiley Segovia

    •  Yes, but... (none)
      there are people who could potentially read it (even if only out of curiosity), see that Potts is just soooo much more liberal than their own party candidate, and get really confused ("Why is my party's guy so conservative compared to this Potts guy?").

      Maybe there might not be a mass shift to Potts, but what if they stay home because they don't see a difference between Kaine (as depicted in the brochure) and Kilgore?

      Admittedly, it's a stretch, but losing even a few voters could hurt in such a close race. Remember that WA-gov was won by only a few hundred votes.

      "I told them on Inauguration Day. I said look into my eyes: no new enhancements." - President Johnny Gentle (Famous Crooner)

      by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner on Sun Nov 06, 2005 at 09:28:50 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  the damage (none)
      I think the greatest damage will be for voters who don't pay much attention to politics (like I used to be). They rely on flyers from their party to let them know the names of who's running and thus who to vote for. I used to do this, back when I didn't watch TV at all or subscribe to the paper. I'd take the mailings from the party along in my purse to the voting booth to make sure I voted for the right names. Bushco's goings-on made me wake up and smell the coffee, however.
    •  Last minute tactic (none)
      We have to be extremely active because tactics like this only backfire with reactions.  But we are less than two days before election.

      I have contact 20+ journalists but all the journalists I work for are with weekly papers that are unlikely to be able to react in time.  This needs TV and major newspaper coverage tomorrow!

      What would be great is if there were some lawsuits announced tomorrow about this -- make it even more of a news item -- and a prosecutor announcing a grand jury investigation of postal fraud, deceptive advertising, etc ...  ANYONE KNOW A PROSECUTOR IN THE COMMONWEALTH WANTING TO MAKE A NAME FOR THEMSELVES?

  •  now we just need... (none)
    the election-law mavens or copyright attorneys to let us know if there are legal ramifications for this.

    this seems one step beyond "politics as usual"--literally pretending to be the other party would seem to have potentially devastating consequences. If we put out "official" republican party mailings telling people to vote for Kaine, the noise machine would blow a gasket.

    "I told them on Inauguration Day. I said look into my eyes: no new enhancements." - President Johnny Gentle (Famous Crooner)

    by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner on Sun Nov 06, 2005 at 09:26:07 AM PST

  •  Lawsuit? (none)
    Copywrite issues unlawfully using the democrat's party symbol.

    Its not easy being a Floridian.

    by lawstudent922 on Sun Nov 06, 2005 at 09:26:50 AM PST

  •  Note to Republicans (none)
    feel free to vote for Russ Potts if you're really really against deceptive fliers.


    "Our country right or wrong. When right, to be kept right; when wrong, to be put right" - Carl Schurz

    by RBH on Sun Nov 06, 2005 at 09:32:19 AM PST

  •  Isn't that against the law? (none)
    Isn't that logo like...copywrited or something?

    How can they legally misrepresent themselves like this?

    The GOP Love the soldiers like they love children: Seen but not heard.

    by DawnG on Sun Nov 06, 2005 at 09:34:43 AM PST

  •  i asked before... (none)
    but does anybody know...

    isn't the donkey trademark of the dnc?  can we sue?

    Isn't a centrist just someone who doesn't have the balls to be a fanatic? -- Stephen Colbert

    by Muboshgu on Sun Nov 06, 2005 at 09:36:02 AM PST

  •  The indicia (none)
    Can someone get me a better scan, specifically of the address panel (black out your personal info if you want), I work in bulk mail and could possibly shed some light on this.
  •  isn't this illegal? (none)
    or shouldn't it be???

    it's clearly FRAUD.

    or am I just hopelessly naive?.....

  •  Get this story to the local media (none)
    it could be the death knell to the Kilgore campaign, if it becomes a scandal by tomorrow.

    Yeah yeah, I know, the Rapture is coming.

    by Nathaniel Ament Stone on Sun Nov 06, 2005 at 09:55:48 AM PST

  •  I guess they think (none)
    the Dems and "progressives" are as terminally idiotic as their own base. The Dem side can read and think. They wasted their money.

    It would be an incredibly effective tactic against Kilgore, tho: "Which candidate does Jesus love the most?"

    Everybody talkin' 'bout Heaven ain't goin' there -- Mahalia Jackson

    by DaveW on Sun Nov 06, 2005 at 09:58:30 AM PST

  •  1st amendment protected activity... (none)
    thank god.

    my response, if i were kaine, would be to say that i'll fight to the death for kilgore's right to issue the flyer.

    however, as governor, i'll fight like hell to make every kid who grows up to vote in virginia to have a good enough education to know what kind of crap this is.  kilgore and the gop would prefer most voters to remain ignorant so they would continue to buy the crap they've been selling, and look where that's getting this country.

    we'll stand him up against a wall and pop goes the weasel /rufus t. firefly

    by 2nd balcony on Sun Nov 06, 2005 at 09:59:27 AM PST

  •  "Dirty" sometimes flung around too much (none)
    Assuming no copyright violations were done, and no mud was thrown, this particular mailing actually falls under the heading of "creative," not "dirty."

    "There is no god, and I am his prophet." SocraticGadfly

    by steverino on Sun Nov 06, 2005 at 10:00:24 AM PST

  •  What areas are being hit by these mailings? (none)
    The address on the one Kos has looks like Midlothian, which is upper-middle-class.
    •  We got it in deep-blue... (none)
      ...extremely-educated Alexandria.

      The Chimperor Has No Clothes

      by DC Pol Sci on Sun Nov 06, 2005 at 10:12:08 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  We didn't (none)
        get it in Charlottesville, which is very blue.  At least I didn't get it, and I'm on all the usual Democratic mailing lists.  Maybe it only went to NoVa?

        "Man's capacity for justice makes democracy possible; but man's inclination to injustice makes democracy necessary." - Reinhold Niebuhr

        by Mahanoy on Sun Nov 06, 2005 at 10:22:15 AM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  It Was (none)
          It was sent to Charlottesvillians.  Maybe none of y'all imports got it. ;)

          -Waldo Jaquith

          •  LOL! (none)
            How did you know I'm an import?  I even try to pronounce house "hoose" and say "y'all" at least twice a conversation!  Damn.  It must be some 6th sense native Virginians have - they always spot us!

            "Man's capacity for justice makes democracy possible; but man's inclination to injustice makes democracy necessary." - Reinhold Niebuhr

            by Mahanoy on Sun Nov 06, 2005 at 12:20:17 PM PST

            [ Parent ]

    •  I got one (none)
      I live in Kingstowne (Fairfax County); it arrived in yesterday's mail.

      It went right into the recycling bin because:

      1. At this point, I've already committed to voting for Kaine/Byrne/Deeds; and
      2. If they're comparing Potts v. Kaine, who else would have sent it out?  I didn't think Potts had the money to do a mass mailing--ever.

      Liberal: "I still think it's a respectable word. Its root is "liber," the Latin word for "free," and isn't that what we are all about?"--Mary McGrory

      by mini mum on Sun Nov 06, 2005 at 12:20:50 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  Let Jerry know how sleazy (none)
    we think his tactics are.

    Phone (804) 421-9966
    Fax (804) 421-9968

    Not the church. Not the state. Women will decide their fate.

    by JaciCee on Sun Nov 06, 2005 at 10:01:37 AM PST

  •  Yes, Give Jerry a Call (none)
    Please do give Jerry a call and register your displeasure with this silly, kindergarten tactic.
    The number again is: 1-804-421-9966.

    Time spent talking to us is time they cannot use to do GOTV. Enough calls and they pay a price.

  •  Re: Democrat vs. Democratic party (none)
    Have any of the gass bags... er, Sunday morning hosts ever bothered to confront a GOP official about their infantile word games?
  •  Why hasn't Potts denounced? (none)
    This must be a last-ditch blitz effort. Potts is either in on it or is hoping for "plausible deniability" excusing time-frame.

    Either way, it shows that they are desperate. The Senate Race in Florida featured some of the same tactics.

    The only way they're going to win with this, is we sit on our ass and just talk about this. So, PUBLICISE THE HELL OUT OF IT.

    • write to ANY paper in Virgina
    • write to the VA congressional delegation and demand they take a position on this.
    • send emails to CNN, MSNBC and all local news stations.

    (-9.13, -8.10) Political violence is a perfectly legitimate answer to the persecution handed down by dignitaries of the state. - Riven Turnbull

    by Florida Democrat on Sun Nov 06, 2005 at 10:12:44 AM PST

  •  Targeted Mailing (none)
    I received one of those, even though I live in a Republican area. This was a targeted mailing to people who could be identified by their voting record in primaries as staunch Democrats.
  •  What a sleezy (none)
    slim ball. Typical repug tactics.

    The world is weary of statesmen whom democracy has degraded into politicians.

    by JenD on Sun Nov 06, 2005 at 10:16:43 AM PST

  •  Is this really fraudulent... (none)
    ...consideering that there is no such thing as a "Democrat Party"??

    "...the big trouble with dumb bastards is that they are too dumb to believe there is such a thing as being smart." -- Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.

    by Roddy McCorley on Sun Nov 06, 2005 at 10:19:11 AM PST

  •  FINALLY! (none)
    They have brought honor back to Washington.


  •  This is the Party (none)
    that lard-ass drug addict Rush Limbaugh says is open and honest about who they are, and what they stand for.  They are winning the war of ideas because the Democrats have to lie about such things to fool voters.  Yeah, that's the ticket...

    "Don't blame me, I voted for the smart guy."

    by frsbdg on Sun Nov 06, 2005 at 10:28:01 AM PST

  •  Here in Dallas (none)
    I have received Deomcratic propaganda that was intended to have the appearance of Republican propaganda via ommission of Democratic slogans.

    Did our forefathers foresee populations in the hundreds of millions and how woefully inadequate it is that 500 people could govern them? Or in the case of states, how inadequate 1 governor is? Too much is riding on these individuals when a large portion of the population is given to gossip over issues, as is the case with Corzine.

  •  Democrat/Democratic (none)
    Republicans have it easy, because the NOUN and ADJECTIVE forms of their party's name are identical:
    -->I am a Republican.
    -->I am a member of the Republican party.

    Democrats have it a little harder, because the forms differ:
    -->I am a Democrat.
    -->I am a member of the Democratic party.

    Sure, "Democrat" used as a adjective may have polled more neagtively than "Democratic". So how do we beat the GOP's use of the improper term?

    1. Correct them every time for their willful illiteracy?
    2. Ignore it and grit our teeth forever?
    3. Accept it and live with it?
    4. Adopt it and use it?

    I'm starting to think #3. I couldn't bear to go as far as #4, but I'm sick of gritting my teeth over something that's ultimately pretty friggin trivial.

    There's also another option:

    5) Call Republicans "Repubs" and call their party the "Repub Party". For extra vitriol, put the emphasis on the first syllable: REE-pub.

  •  fighting dirty (none)
    I got one in yesterdays mail. Jerry Kilgore is an evil man.
    •  so do something (none)
      email every news station in Virginia. Tell the Kaine campaign to alert the media. Do whatever you can.

      I found NBC stations to email in Roanoke, Richmond, Charlottesville, Newport News, Bristol, and Winchester. I also emailed:

      Yeah yeah, I know, the Rapture is coming.

      by Nathaniel Ament Stone on Sun Nov 06, 2005 at 11:08:04 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  Kos really should update his article (none)
    I was quite pissed about it as well, until some of the posters pointed out that Kaine did the same thing FIRST, and was fined for it (article here).

    By ignoring that this sleazy tactic was actually in response to a Kaine campaign sleazy tactic is a bit dishonest.  And it makes all of us who initially responded with "typical Rethug tricks!" and so on seem like hypocrites or idiots.

    •  Kilgore's Response (none)
      I agree with you that Kos really should update his front page noting that Kaine sent a pretty deceitful ad first.  Kilgore's response was not proporational.  Kaine never suggested that conservatives vote for a different candidate, which doesn't seem so severe.  However, you're right.  I assume that Kos just didn't know about the article you posted.  I hope he reads it and updates his post.
  •  So, when is the Democrat turnabout coming? (none)
    When are we going to use this against Kilgore, like: "One of these candidates is for the party of conservative spending, conservative international diplomacy, supports the military and all those who serve it, and seeks to root out corruption and scandal. One of these is against it." Etc, etc.

    Label it as a republican mailer and send out. Repeat.

  •  illegal: what more do you expect from a Republican (none)
    an indication that republican is synonymous with criminal
    is the DNC going to bring suit against this republican?

    pepsi can't disguise itself as Coke, and Republicans shouldn't be able to misrepresent like this

    i guess the republicans have caught on that they are reviled by the American people so they're trying to trick them into thinking that they are the Democratic candidate?


    this man should be removed from the ballot for such a tactic

  •  "Democrat party" (none)
    You can tell its from a republican becuse they repeat that third grade Delay insult of calling the democratic party the "Democrat party", implying that they arent democratic. Everytime I hear it used it makes me laugh at its childishness. If they could call it the "Osamacrat Party" they would.
  •  NH Primaries (none)
    I remember working for Dean...and another candidate (I have my suspicions--I won't say who)...stole the contact list, and called supporters claiming that Doctor Dean was for the war, and anti-choice, etc.

    Oy gevault.

    Please visit my blog at

    by bdgoodman08 on Sun Nov 06, 2005 at 11:51:17 AM PST

  •  Based on looks (none)
    I would vote "NOTA."  (none of the above)

    And who are the greater criminals -- those who sell the instruments of death, or those who buy them and use them? --Robert Sherwood, ``Idiot's Delight''

    by robolywa on Sun Nov 06, 2005 at 11:58:02 AM PST

  •  Desperate much... (none)
    I knew something about Kilgore bothered me.  I cannot respect someone who would allow their campaign to do this in their name.  I got stopped outside King Street Metro by someone who claimed they were handing our Democratic fliers.  I didn't take one, because I'm a DC resident.  But I wonder if she was really handing out Democratic ticket info.  I will stop this week and make sure they are for real and be loud and obnoxious if they aren't.
  •  This is the real election fraud (none)
    In the still-too-quiet debate about fundamental democracy reform and electoral reform, the red herring used by those opposed to change is always "voter fraud" and "electoral fraud" -- people voting more than once, impersonating registered voters, etc. All of which happens very, very, very rarely.

    It's things like this flyer that are part of the real, systemic fraud in an age when consultants, on both sides, get paid to win at all costs, democracy itself be damned.

    It's nice that in this cycle both Corzine and Kaine appear to be running reasonably respectable campaigns while it's Kilgore and Forrester who have resorted to the ugliest and most shameless tactics. Tactics that have worked in the past, will likely to continue to work, but appear doomed to defeat on Tuesday.

    We'll see. I'm sure there are mailings en route in VA and NJ that "Democrats should avoid long lines and vote on WEDNESDAY" -- or similar.

  •  "Democrat" (none)
    "Democrat Guide"  There's your tipoff
  •  URGENT: Worse phone calls going out (4.00)
    I just answered the phone to a recording that went something like this: "I'm Tim Kaine and I want you to know where I stand on the issues. I'm a Christian and my faith is important to me. I oppose abortion, and I oppose gay marriage." [both of these points expanded; I can't recall the wording]. I realized as the call went on that there was something fishy about it--it reminded me of the flyer. So I wrote down the last words: "Paid for by Honest Leadership for Virginia PAC".

    I gather from a quick web search that this group has created anti-Kaine attack ads in the past.

    If anyone gets a phone call that starts out this way, please RECORD IT if possible, or transcribe as closely as possible. The main point would be whether they're actually impersonating Kaine; I can't recall for 100% sure.

  •  of course (none)
    the other uncomfortatble thing is that it is largely true ... Kaine IS NOT a progressive.
  •  California Too (none)
    Someone showed to me something from "Democratic Voter Choice" or something like that, endorsing in local races the opposition to our awesome progressive mayor and city council candidate whose platform is a mishmash of progressivism and business policy. They got most of the ballot initiatives correct except that they got 78 and 79 flopped. So, one theory is that this mailer was bankrolled by pharma.

    Nix the first six
    Don't let them buy California's democracy: No 73-78

  •  Well...... (none)
    Although this stunt was not well done of either side, is it any wonder that Democrats are reluctant to offer up those ideas the Right constantly claim they do not have? Cause they just steal it, and "improve"?!? on it. Typical...
  •  It's easier than you think (none)
    Once the logo is trademarked, it's very easy to generally license it to affilliated organizations. Consider the US Jaycees. Their logo is very well-protected. Each state and local organization has umbrella permission to use the logo, and nobody else does. No affilliated group has to seek permission each time it's used, and members are allowed to use it in official communications.
  •  none (none)
    they can't win on issues so they cheat. They are the some of the biggest hypocrites ever to walk the face of the earth...values my ass!

    "The ultimate measure of a person is not where they stand in times of comfort and convenience but where they stand in times of challenge" - MLK

    by rickpolitic on Mon Nov 07, 2005 at 04:54:25 AM PST

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