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We're now at the rough one-year anniversary of the DNC chairmanship battle, in which us netroots hooligans helped propel Dean to the top of the DNC. We outmaneuvered Kerry, who wanted to install Vilsack and then Sheehan by fiat. We outmaneuvered Reid and Pelosi, who wanted Tim Roemer. We outmaneuvered Mark Brewer of the Association of Democratic State Chairs, who wanted to Donnie Fowler. (Here's Ryan Lizza's take on the whole affair.)

This was the first tangible "victory" for the netroots in its struggle for supremacy of the Democratic Party. But I don't bring this up to gloat. Rather, I bring it up to point out how little of the Dean Doomsday Scenario actually played out.

More specifically, the notion that Dean would be a boon to Republican propaganda efforts has completely falled flat. Remember those? Dem insiders were quaking in their shoes, Republicans were salivating at the chance to remind America how far-left and craaazzzyy those Democrats were with Dean at the top.

Yet you don't hear Republicans trying to make hay of Chairman Dean anymore. Why would they? Middle America proved, yet again, that they could give a rat's ass about who runs the political parties, whether it's Dean or the GOP's closeted homosexual robot. And while those early attacks on Dean fell flat with the general American public, Dean supporters responded with cash. Every attack on Dean suddenly became an impromptu DNC fundraisier worth tens of thousands in the bank.

Republicans aren't stupid. They're corrupt, craven, opportunistic and generally unpleasant, but they aren't stupid. So it wasn't long before the anti-Dean attacks ceased. (Well, Liddy Dole includes Dean in her fundraising emails, but given her fundraising performance thus far, even the GOP base couldn't give two shits.)

While the true measure of Dean's success will be the 2008 elections (rebuilding the party takes time, regardless whether we make gains in 2006 or not), the early praise from his fiercest Democratic detractors and the unilateral ceasefire from the Republican side proves that he's not the Scary Liberal Boogeyman many feared he'd be.

Update: Dave Weigel emailed me this:

Apropos of your post about Dean failing as a Republican bogeyman, I wanted to share some context about how the Virginia GOP tried to use Dean in our elections this year. Before Dean was elected, the GOP linked him to Tim Kaine.

The GOP linked Kaine with Dean again as soon as Dean was elected.

The GOP was also quick on the trigger with press releases demanding Tim Kaine respond to Dean's "outrageous" comments. Here's one example.

They kind of gave up on this as the race closed, but it's fun to look back and see how little momentum they got out of this. After all, the Virginia GOP got a ton of mileage in the 90s linking Democrats to Bill Clinton.

Originally posted to Daily Kos on Mon Nov 28, 2005 at 10:54 PM PST.

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  •  There's a cartoon strip in the paper... (4.00)
    "Baldo".

    Can't find one to link to that protrays what I'm thinking of...

    But his little sister has a boogeyman that shows up in her closet, who she's on close, friendly relations with.  "Cuyu" is the character's name, I think.

    If Dean's the boogeyman, well... the dark's not very scary at all.  It's the neo-Reaganesque "Morning in America" that's scary.

    "I desire what is good. Therefore, everyone who does not agree with me is a traitor." King George III

    by ogre on Mon Nov 28, 2005 at 10:54:12 PM PST

    •  Dean's no boogeyman... (4.00)
      He's the guy who will put the Democratic Party back on track. I have full faith in him.
      •  Quite. (none)
        If you'd seen the cartoon strip, it's clear that the boogeyman isn't a boogeyman either.

        "I desire what is good. Therefore, everyone who does not agree with me is a traitor." King George III

        by ogre on Tue Nov 29, 2005 at 08:19:48 AM PST

        [ Parent ]

    •  During the 2005 elections, how many times--- (none)
      -did Tim Kaine appear with Howard Dean or have his picture taken with Dean?

      -did Jon Corzine appear with Howard Dean or have his picture taken with Dean?

      How many times has he appeared with Jon Tester?

      ZERO!  Howard Dean is still poison, Kos' self-congratulations notwithstanding...  

      •  Poison (none)
        So all that linking of Tim Kaine and Dean is what led to Kaine's defeat?  ahhhhhh... I get it now.  The evidence you point to is the candidtates perspective as to what would do to their electoral chances, not a reflection of what voters reacted.
        •  Poison (with grammar) (none)
          The evidence you point to shows the candidates' perspective as to what a Dean connection would do to their electoral chances.  Essentially, the candidates seemed to follow the Democratic "common wisdom," which still thinks Dean is poison.  The evidence has little to bear on how voters actually reacted.
          •  In short... (none)
            the CW from the DLC crowd is that Dean's dangerous.

            Still.

            They'll wake up eventually.  About the time that we--and he--deliver majorities.  Or maybe it will take winning the presidency too before they get the idea that Dean's not scaring voters into the arms of the wingnuts.

            "I desire what is good. Therefore, everyone who does not agree with me is a traitor." King George III

            by ogre on Wed Nov 30, 2005 at 09:12:17 AM PST

            [ Parent ]

      •  And how many GOoPers (none)
        appeared with Mehlman?

        That's not what the chair's job is.  Dean told everyone exactly what he was going to do as chair, set out to do it and has been kicking ass doing it.

        That he wasn't doing cameos with candidates means... nothing.

        The point was that all of the efforts to wrap "scary" Dean around Democratic candidates resulted in nothing.  Since the GOP is adept at wrapping people in whatever they want to project at them--examples, I assume, aren't needed... but I'll just remind you of "liberal" McCain, and the smear job they did on him--the only reasonable explanation is that the public doesn't find Dean scary.

        I still hear about it from a bonafide nutjob I know, all about Dean, Dean, Dean... but as far as I can tell, the only people who believe that Dean's really scary, and that linking him to the Democratic candidates is hurting them... are the same people who believe that Reagan is about to rise from his tomb and lead us all into a right-white paradise; the same folks likely to believe that Nixon was a great guy who got railroaded by an evil conspiracy....

        "I desire what is good. Therefore, everyone who does not agree with me is a traitor." King George III

        by ogre on Wed Nov 30, 2005 at 09:10:07 AM PST

        [ Parent ]

  •  Dr. Dean (4.00)
    Giving the power back to the people. Last time I checked, he put me in charge of the Democratic Party (at least that's what the email said).

    There is nothing more stimulating than a case where everything goes against you. -- Sherlock Holmes

    by Carnacki on Mon Nov 28, 2005 at 10:54:24 PM PST

    •  ...and you are (4.00)
      and I am, too! "You gotta believe!"

      (channeling the Dean campaign, 2004)

      •  Also almost channeling (none)
        Parappa the Rapper.
      •  It's "Ya gotta believe." n/t (none)

        Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed it is the only thing that ever has. -- Margaret Mead

        by Cordelia Lear on Mon Nov 28, 2005 at 11:40:33 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

      •  Dean's terrible job (none)
        I love the bloggers that have their blinders on. This is just like his Presidential campaign, where everyone thought about how great everything was while the house was burning down around them.

        34 million to 6. With the 35-40% approval for the President and all the DNC has on hand is 6 million. Dean is either a) terrible or b) using the failed stategy that his campaign used to spend all the money way before people vote (should I look for my DNC pen light soon?).

        And please do not compare this year to last off year. The amount of money in politics a) has grown and b) W was a popular and there was no mess in Iraq.

        Dean is actually making Liddy Dole look good...

        •  Bush (none)
          I agree in part.  I agree that Bush's failures are, in large part, driving Dean's success.  Being one of the first and loudest of Bush critics, Dean is reaping what he has sown.

          If only the rest of the Dem party had gotten that memo, too.

    •  we are all in charge... (4.00)
      and Dean is our leader!  We all have the power if we work together... great job, everyone, on the DNC coup! Now on to 2006 and 2008!

      I'm particularly thrilled that Howard has worked out exactly the way I knew he would. My husband's boss, who is an arrogant Republican (is there any other kind any more!?), saw my "Dean for DNC" sticker at a wedding and he pointed to it and said "I'm happy about that!" ...this was right after the DNC election. I just smiled and said, "You won't be!"
      Haven't seen him since, but my husband says he doesn't discuss politics anymore. The Christmas party should be fun this year!

      "The unholy matrimony of George Bush and the Religious Right threatens the rights of all Americans. It's time for a divorce." - Rev. Barry Lynn

      by lezlie on Tue Nov 29, 2005 at 01:53:30 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  Enjoy! (none)
        If you are lucky, he will eat crow and be embarassed.  If he is like most Republicans, he will still deny that King George is naked.   In either event, have a good time.

        "I refuse to fight in war that was started by men who refused to fight in a war." FreewayBlogger

        by dkmich on Tue Nov 29, 2005 at 02:44:06 AM PST

        [ Parent ]

      •  I supported Dean as Chair. (none)
        I wrote letters to that effect. But it really weirds me out when the women on here put him up as a sex symbol. The guy is kind of creepy. As Bill Maher put it, he's the uncle you don't want to sit next to on Thanksgiving. And he lists his height as "5 eight and a quarter. But I usually don't mention the quarter because I'm not insecure about it." Really? Could have fooled me.

        "They don't think it be like it is, but it do." Oscar Gamble, 1980.

        by Spider Stumbled on Tue Nov 29, 2005 at 06:25:55 AM PST

        [ Parent ]

  •  netroots hooligans! (none)
    Hawling like brooligans!

    (old English movie reference)

    New Orleans will never die

    by hrh on Mon Nov 28, 2005 at 10:55:12 PM PST

    •  better link (none)
      OK, try this!  

      Genevieve

      One of the best films ever made.

      New Orleans will never die

      by hrh on Mon Nov 28, 2005 at 10:58:30 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  hrh (4.00)
        I agree! When Kay Kendall lets loose on that horn!

        Have you seen The Titfield Thunderbolt?

        Another great one.

        God, I love those old British movies!

        A vote for any Republican is a vote endorsing a jihad against our country.

        by Maine Atticus on Mon Nov 28, 2005 at 11:09:41 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  Kay Kendall (none)
          What a beautiful woman.  I have a forever crush on her and everyone else in that movie, particularly Kenneth More.

          When I was in college in the '80s I ran a classic film series and I pulled a lot of strings to get a print of Genevieve to show.  When we finally screened it, only about 30 people showed up.  But they were HARDCORE fans.  I don't know where they came from or how they heard about the screening.  Afterwards, a very old man came up to me with his entourage of younger friends/relatives and said, "This is my favorite movie and I haven't seen it since the 1950s - thanks for bringing it back to us!"  It was so much like that scene in the movie where the old guy says, "A Darracq! By Jove, a Darracq!  I proposed to my wife in one of those!"  It made me cry.

          Here's the ultimate Genevieve fan page.

          No, I haven't seen The Titfield Thunderbolt yet - I would love to.  There are a lot of old British movies that I haven't been able to track down yet.

          New Orleans will never die

          by hrh on Tue Nov 29, 2005 at 12:06:16 AM PST

          [ Parent ]

          •  You might (none)
            have to do what I did. I bought a Pal VHS copy and had it re-programed into NTSC so I could play it on my VCR. Amazon UK has it out in DVD now, I think.

            Tracking down the movies if half the fun! I have been looking for "The Tawny Pipit" for years! My favorite actor, Sir Bernard Miles, wrote it, directed it and starred in it.

            I have most all of the Powell/Pressburger movies --The Red Shoes, etc. I watch "A Canterbury Tale" by them several times a year. It's my favorite.

            So many old British movies. So little time.

            My email is public here. If you ever want to chat about the movies, you are welcome to contact me.

            A vote for any Republican is a vote endorsing a jihad against our country.

            by Maine Atticus on Tue Nov 29, 2005 at 01:36:17 PM PST

            [ Parent ]

            •  old Brit films (none)
              I love Bernard Miles!  Though I haven't seen him in very many movies, except for Great Expectations, which is one of my all-time favorites.  He was so great in that.  When other little girls my age had crushes on David Cassidy et al. I was madly in love with John Mills.

              I've done the PAL/NTSC switch with TV shows from the UK and it's worked pretty well.  I've found that Indian groceries are the cheapest option for transferring to the different format - they do it all the time for videos from India.

              I enjoy Powell/Pressburger too - my fave of theirs is I Know Where I'm Going.  It makes a very nice triple feature with The Maggie and Bill Forsyth's masterpiece Local Hero.

              I'll write you soon and we can talk movies.  I'm always overjoyed to meet someone who shares my esoteric taste :-)

              New Orleans will never die

              by hrh on Wed Nov 30, 2005 at 08:00:40 AM PST

              [ Parent ]

  •  Dean performed kung fu on the media (4.00)
    The corporate media decided to portray Dean as a rabid partisan. Rather than trying to push back against that immovable monster, he used it to his advantage by taking on a clearly partisan job and doing it extremely well.

    "Mr. McClellan, don't the American people deserve better than this 'orange jumpsuit' ethics policy?"

    GOP = Guilty of Perjury

    Edwards/Clark 2008

    by MeanBoneII on Mon Nov 28, 2005 at 10:57:16 PM PST

  •  Still pisses me off through (4.00)
    that McAuliffe transferred all that money out of DNC coffers as essentially his last official act.

    Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed it is the only thing that ever has. -- Margaret Mead

    by Cordelia Lear on Mon Nov 28, 2005 at 10:58:04 PM PST

    •  Oops! though n/t (none)

      Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed it is the only thing that ever has. -- Margaret Mead

      by Cordelia Lear on Mon Nov 28, 2005 at 10:58:36 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  that did tick me off (none)
      but it turned out to be for the best, since Tim Kaine ended up winning by a good margin and helping turn Virginia a little more blue in the process.
      •  Yea, but the general idea (4.00)
        was to undermine him.  It was a "the establishment doesn't trust you as far as we can toss you and we won't play nice" statement.

        I don't think that Kaine's race is where the $$$ went to. My recollection was a large check to DCCC, and a large check to DSCC. Dean dug into new fundraising for Kaine. And that came out fine of course.

        Sorry, it's still a sore spot here.

        Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed it is the only thing that ever has. -- Margaret Mead

        by Cordelia Lear on Mon Nov 28, 2005 at 11:31:58 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  I could be mistaken (none)
          but I thought McAuliffe sent $5 million to either the Virginia Democratic Party or Kaine's campaign.
          •  Not worth quibbling over (none)
            -- & I could be mistaken.

            I thought it was just about that amount, split between DCCC & DSCC.

            I guess what's more important is that Dean is a good guy, doing a good job and has the respect now of more people than he did a year ago.

            Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed it is the only thing that ever has. -- Margaret Mead

            by Cordelia Lear on Mon Nov 28, 2005 at 11:55:18 PM PST

            [ Parent ]

          •  The money went to the VA Democratic Party (none)
            Terry McA. basically emptied the bank before turning the keys over to Howard but the money went to help Kaine & all Democrats who were running.

            They had people on the ground who were there for months, and they sent multiple staff members to Virginia to work on their own time every weekend.

            The DNC poured a lot into VA this year.

            Liberal: "I still think it's a respectable word. Its root is "liber," the Latin word for "free," and isn't that what we are all about?"--Mary McGrory

            by mini mum on Tue Nov 29, 2005 at 06:24:17 AM PST

            [ Parent ]

  •  Maybe Howard Dean (none)
    scared the RWM - right-wing machine - into silence.

    "When your opponent is drowning, throw the son of a bitch an anvil." - James Carville

    by Blue387 on Mon Nov 28, 2005 at 10:58:14 PM PST

    •  Dean did a f'ing awesome job (4.00)
      drawing fire and throwing bombs this summer and fall.  He was saying things that, to be honest, made me cringe.  But he shrugged off the return salvo from the right wing noise machine and led them off down the latest rabbit trail of repeating his charges!  More of that please, more!  Keeping up the steady drumbeat of attack stole the initiative from the GOP and turned the ghost of Atwater back at them.
      •  I was wrong about Gov. Dean. (4.00)
        I thought he wasn't ready for prime-time.
        I envisioned he would focus most of his job on TV appearances.

        I now appologize to Dr. Dean.
        I was wrong.

        The most brilliant thing I believe Dean has done is to not get into sparring matches with Talking Points Ken Mehlman, even though he is repeatedly baited to do so.
        He comes out of the shadows, takes his swipes at the GOP, then retreats back to Main Street, where he has been working his ass off (though we would like to see more of him in Florida).

        Turns out, he's doing exactly what he promised he would do, which is to help rebuild and motivate the grass roots.

        --Liberate your radio--

        by Sam Loomis on Tue Nov 29, 2005 at 04:40:04 AM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  The funniest political move I saw all year (none)
          was when he cme out with his "I hate republicans" speech, and then he wouldn't go on TV pundit shows to defend it to their blabbering "outraged" hosts.  

          It was funny to see him shrug off those comments, and it defused the pundits.  That was pretty funny.

          --Liberate your radio--

          by Sam Loomis on Tue Nov 29, 2005 at 04:41:47 AM PST

          [ Parent ]

  •  the dems flip-flop (none)
    the repubs just....flop...
  •  Kos, (none)
    "(rebuilding the party takes time, regardless whether we make gains in 2006 or not)"

    We are going to make gains by default. The average working guy has little to choose from and if he/she doesn't vote republican, what's left?

    The trick is this, the democrats need to be clean, no corruption. Any hint of wrong doing will reverse the gains of 2006 in 2008.

  •  Dean Rocks. (none)
    ^See that period???

    It was a cold, bright day in April and the clocks were striking thirteen.

    by Stradavus on Mon Nov 28, 2005 at 11:00:33 PM PST

  •  No proof that Pelosi and Reid wanted Roemer (4.00)
    I thought we put this to bed many months ago.

    There was nothing more than an article on CNN or MSNBC that stated it.  However, both offices denied it when contacted.

    Perhaps I missed something...if so, I appreciate a link.

    John

    -4.63/-4.10 Bush is living proof that drugs are bad for you...he's so dumb, he can't even spell Iraq, let alone find it on a map.

    by Bozos Rnot4 Bush on Mon Nov 28, 2005 at 11:00:59 PM PST

  •  The MSM report on this entry will be... (4.00)
    Leading liberal Democratic blogger says: "Dean flops"

    [/snark]

    ModestNeeds.org Response For Hurricane Evacuees

    by socal on Mon Nov 28, 2005 at 11:03:18 PM PST

  •  Who was the Old Bull who embraced Dean? (4.00)
    What was the name of that long-time, conservative, defense hawk Democrat in the House who came out of nowhere and endorsed Dean, turning the tide for him in official Washington?

    Oh yeah, that's right. Murtha.

    How 'bout that guy, eh?

    •  he speaks the truth (4.00)
      & they think it's hell.
      •  There is a lot of (none)
        Truman in Murtha!!!!!!!!!! When you read about Truman, wow it does come out how gutsy and outspoken Ol Harry T could be and Murtha too.

        America was not built on fear. America was built on courage, on imagination and an unbeatable determination to do the job at hand-Harry S. Truman

        by wishingwell on Mon Nov 28, 2005 at 11:41:59 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  Truman is a Democrat I would rather forget... (none)
          Atom bomb against the wishes of Eisenhower and MacArthur and so many of our good boys dead in Korea. n/t

          Fighting the good fight! -The Democratic Party

          by the Artful Dodger on Tue Nov 29, 2005 at 03:00:31 AM PST

          [ Parent ]

          •  Truman (none)
            is the McCartney to FDR's Lennon. I'm proud of his record, including the A-Bombs. The last thing we needed to do was invade Japan from the South while Uncle Joe invaded from the North. Your grandfather might have died and half of Japan might look like Pyonyang today. Give 'em Hell, Harry.

            "They don't think it be like it is, but it do." Oscar Gamble, 1980.

            by Spider Stumbled on Tue Nov 29, 2005 at 06:29:58 AM PST

            [ Parent ]

            •  and (none)
              renember MacArthur went after the Republican nomination for President. He hated Truman with a passion and he was willing to pursue the Chinese across the 38th Parallel and risk the lives of people like my father and many others. He also wanted to bomb China.

              America was not built on fear. America was built on courage, on imagination and an unbeatable determination to do the job at hand-Harry S. Truman

              by wishingwell on Tue Nov 29, 2005 at 03:59:46 PM PST

              [ Parent ]

          •  false (none)
            "against the wishes of Eisenhower and MacArthur"???

            Absolutely not true.

      •  yep. Truth will set ya free...way to go Dean! (none)
    •  Had forgotten that ... (4.00)
      ... surprised the GOP didn't work it into their ill-fated short-lived anti-Murtha campaign somehow.

      Or rather, perhaps it is more evidence to prove Kos's point.  They could've, but didn't, talk about how Murtha was linking himself yet again to the screaming unhinged Dean wing of the party; all they had was Michael Moore, who, well, may get the base all riled up, but it kinda shows a weakness in the functioning of the once Mighty Wurlitzer ...

      -- Stu

  •  I got an email from the GOP recently (4.00)
    within the last 30 days, they sent me an email when both Dean and Mehlman were on a TV show.  The subject of the email was to the effect that Dean was an embarrassment to his party but their guy wasn't.  That's not a good starting point if you are trying to make someone into a boogeyman.

    Somehow I doubt that generated too much enthusiasm from their base.

    •  LOL (none)
      That cracks me up..Mehlman is an embarrassment anytime he opens his trap.

      LOL!!!!!!!! Mehlman is a fool.

      America was not built on fear. America was built on courage, on imagination and an unbeatable determination to do the job at hand-Harry S. Truman

      by wishingwell on Mon Nov 28, 2005 at 11:43:30 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  I haven't heard of this Dean guy before (4.00)
    he seems gind of cool.  Wonder if he would ever consider running for President?

    Midwest Center for American Values - Progressive ideas in an easy to swallow pill.

    by ETinKC on Mon Nov 28, 2005 at 11:11:29 PM PST

    •  Well, a brother of a friend of mine (none)
      is an activist in the Wisconsin Dem Party and escorted The Doc around when he came to Green Bay. At one point he asked Dean about a run in 2008. Howard just put on that shit-eating grin of his and said, "No comment."
  •  Kos - (none)
    so now that you are putting your book to Bed (and belated congrats by the way) any thoughts on the next target?  Do we need to wait to the 2006 races or do you have something else in mind?  Or, otoh, is it better to just let these things happen organically?

    Midwest Center for American Values - Progressive ideas in an easy to swallow pill.

    by ETinKC on Mon Nov 28, 2005 at 11:14:54 PM PST

  •  I've noticed... (4.00)
    Isn't it funny how when someone stands up for what they believe in all the others, the critics and the naysayers, back down?

    I'm thinking here not only of the DLC, the Dem establishment types and the various spineless wonders of the party, but the press and the rethugs as well.

    Maybe there is something to this business of standing for something, refusing to be intimidated and having integrity after all.

    A liberal is a man so broadminded he wouldn't take his own side in an argument........Robert Frost

    by mjshep on Mon Nov 28, 2005 at 11:15:39 PM PST

  •  Dean has been the Repubs worst nightmare, (4.00)
    an articulate, dedicated and clearthinking organizer for the Democrats. They may have smeared him as a presidential candidate but they couldn't change who the man is.

    -6.88/-5.64 Right between Nelson Mandela and the Dalai Lama. Dudes! I am sooo into a like totally awsome place!

    by John West on Mon Nov 28, 2005 at 11:16:12 PM PST

  •  the unreported truth (4.00)
    <Howard Dean addressing the MSM and rightwing nutbaiters> "The report of my political demise has been greatly exaggerated." Who knew? We did .. and that's what counted.

    "Symplerovus vulgaris americanus" - nasty unindicted co-conspirator. -7.63, -9.59

    by shpilk on Mon Nov 28, 2005 at 11:20:47 PM PST

  •  Saw Dean on November 15 (4.00)
    He was here for a quick fundraiser, and while he met with some major donors earlier in the evening, the public event was about 25 minutes and raised a cool $75,000.  Even Mark Brewer had to applaud him -- and not just politely.

    -6.13, -5.90 The New York Times: All the news that's fixed to print

    by GOTV on Mon Nov 28, 2005 at 11:21:36 PM PST

  •  The only ones that care about chairmans (none)
    are partisans and political junkies. I doubt some of the average voters that just tune into to politics around election time even know who Dean and Mehlman are.

    "No one has a finer command of language than the person who keeps his mouth shut."- Sam Rayburn, Former Speaker of the House

    by LeftistIndependent on Mon Nov 28, 2005 at 11:21:59 PM PST

    •  If I was a Republican.. (none)
      ( scratching out eyes, need a shower just thinking of the possibility..ick..yuck..)

      Anyway..LOL..I would not want to know who the chairman of the RNC was. Because the first time you heard him trying to give life to those old, worn, tired, pathetic talking points over and over, I would be embarrassed and have to switch parties...LOL..

      America was not built on fear. America was built on courage, on imagination and an unbeatable determination to do the job at hand-Harry S. Truman

      by wishingwell on Mon Nov 28, 2005 at 11:46:12 PM PST

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  •  When Dean was selected as DNC chair ... (none)
    ... I stopped donating to DNC. I thought he was a bad choice in this respect. I knew after the 2004 election that Iraq would come back to the forefront and that Bush would be increasingly vulnerable on that issue. I also knew that Dean would be the wrong person to have as the Democratic Party figurehead, since his lack of any national security and military experience essentially silences him as a credible critic and thus he would not be able to effectively lead a Democratic challenge to Bush's Iraq war record of failure. Fortunately, Harry Reid (and probably Nancy Pelosi and others) reigned Dean in as a spokesperson at the beginning of his tenure, and, since that early confrontation with elected party leaders, the DNC chair has pretty much kept his mouth shut when it comes to formulating party positions on a number of issues, including Iraq, and has concentrated on organizing and fundraising, which seem to be his strengths. So far, thanks to the really effective work done by Democrats in Congress, Dean has not become the poster boy for the Democratic Party in the public mind, as I had feared, and, from all reports, he seems to be doing a fairly decent job running DNC and organizing. I'm not as opposed to Dean as I was when he was appointed DNC chair, and it helps the party that he has promised not to run for president in 2008, but, from time to time, I still wish we had a party chair/spokesperson who had gravitas on national security and defense. So far, though, the Democratic members of Congress are carrying the national security load well for us Democrats, so maybe all will work out in the end.
    •  being realistic (4.00)
      Give people their due good and bad - all you manage to say is that you think Dean is lucky and it's because of others that he suceeds. Good and bad give him his due for what he's done. Also- I have no idea what your post is about with regard to the issues you are referring to- national security and the DNC chair having gravitas? That seems like a fake requirement
    •  I rather agreed with you. I was wrong. (none)
      Dean is key to the organization of the National Democratic Party, and of National fundraising. He is also key to the relationship of the national Democratic strategy to State party organizations. But Dean is NOT the national Democratic Spokesperson.

      Right now Reid, Pelosi, Kerry and Gore are the closest we have to a National Democratic Spokesperson. After the November 2006 election, I see that role shifting to whoever the leading candidates for the Presidential nomination, with Reid and Pelosi as close seconds. Dean will almost be in that group, but not quite.

      This is beneficial to us right now because it means the Republicans don't have a single target to "Swiftboat." As long as the media can't work up a media narrative that there are two opposing groups here, we are in good shape. Such a narrative needs to be avoided. A little conflict is OK, it will get media attention, but the conflicting parties need to kiss and make up publicly upon resolution of the conflict - and the conflict must be resolved, and be seen to be resolved fairly.

      It can't be imposed from a grand imperial leader as the Republicans do. We are Democrats, not subordinated Republican automatons reacting to the all-knowing leader and reading the talking points of the day.

      This goes back to the essential need for an organizational system that is both perceived as fair and that resolves conflict within the party. That is Dean's job.

      As I say, the 2006 election is the trial run of the new Democratic Party, which at it's critical organizational core, Dean will create.

      I think he understands this. But what do I know, from here in Boondocks, Texas?

      Recovering Perfectionist IWDWIC (I Will Do What I Can) - Politics Plus Stuff

      by Rick B on Mon Nov 28, 2005 at 11:58:46 PM PST

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      •  REid I understand, but Kerry and Gore (none)
        Just struck me as odd that we don't have more effective spokespeople.  Odd that we also have a former first lady and she barely pipes up about anything, maybe only once every four months in public.  

        --Liberate your radio--

        by Sam Loomis on Tue Nov 29, 2005 at 04:53:59 AM PST

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        •  Except for Bush and Cheney... (none)
          The Republicans have no spokespersons any better than the Democrats do.

          The problem is that Bush has "The bully pulpit" of the Presidency, and he has somehow given some of that to Cheney. The person in the pulpit automatically has a stature way above that of other politicians.

          The American political system does not give the members of the party out of power any equivalent institutional office except during the actual campaign for President when the nominees are pretty much on an equal basis after the campaign has run for a while.

          It's not any inherent lack in Democrats that cause us to not have a highly credible spokesperson. It's the fact that no single candidate for that position can hold the spotlight of the media on themselves for any significant period of time.

          Recovering Perfectionist IWDWIC (I Will Do What I Can) - Politics Plus Stuff

          by Rick B on Tue Nov 29, 2005 at 09:57:18 AM PST

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    •  I can think.... (4.00)
      ....of plenty of Democrats who are far worse than Dean when it comes to talking about foreign policy. Everything Dean said about the Iraq War has been proven true, which is more than can be said about Lieberman, HRC, Kerry, etc. Maybe Clark has more experience in foreign affairs, but I'd say that with the current mood being against the Iraq War, Dean looks more and more credible on that issue.
      •  Dean and Al Gore (4.00)
        are the only people I would trust from a foreign policy standpoint... they are the only ones who have no agenda other than the common good and they have both proved that over and over.

        "The unholy matrimony of George Bush and the Religious Right threatens the rights of all Americans. It's time for a divorce." - Rev. Barry Lynn

        by lezlie on Tue Nov 29, 2005 at 02:19:29 AM PST

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    •  I have to disagree with you. (none)
      If we had a "a party chair/spokesperson who had gravitas on national security and defense" as you said you wished for, we'd be clamoring for him/her to run for President in '08.  At that point, everything they did to build the party would get shot down as "he's just bulking up his White House run".

      Dean is just fine where he is, and I knew he was the right choice when he got elected.

      A dog is just a dog, unless he is facing you in an alley. Then, he is Mr. Dog.

      by DemInTampa on Tue Nov 29, 2005 at 03:51:59 AM PST

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    •  Funny thing... (none)
      So "lack of any national security and military experience essentially silences him as a credible critic," but mysteriously such a lack didn't "silence" George W. as critic of Clinton's foreign policy when he was running for president.  Lack of military experience doesn't seem to silence any of the idiot neocons on military matters.  Lack of experience in any of these things doesn't seem to silence Ken Mehlman as a spokesman.

      Face it, it's not "lack of experience," it's relentless Republican attacks (and the media dutifully reporting them) that undermines the effectiveness of our spokesmen in any area.  The more we try to find spokesmen who supposedly won't be subject to those attacks, the more we surrender to them.

      Dean's not the policy spokesman because it's not the party chair's job to be policy spokesman, something he said before he was elected, not because he was "reigned in" by supposedly wiser heads.

  •  I've been delighted with Dean (4.00)
    He seems to have a real grasp of a lot of what has to change in the Democratic Party in fund-raising and in state-by-state strategy.

    Now, can he do anything about the inability of the National Democrats to decide on a unified message? Perhaps not a single message, but a generally consensus message on critical national issues and some leeway for local modifications where necessary for Democrats running in red states like Texas.

    From my Boondocks, Texas position this seems to be the greatest single lack of the party. Our diversity is a great strength, but the organization of the party needs to have a process that takes that diversity of opinion, processes it, and presents a relatively unified national set of positions. That seems to be a problem of organizational structure, which the good doctor is central to.

    Between Dean, Reid and Pelosi I am hoping that the national message is being refined and prepared for a Democratic contract for America to be presented early in 2006. The process of pulling the issues together, prioritizing them, negotiating them, and developing a consensus will be the key to how well they work.

    From the way the House Democrats have been acting in a unified manner, I suspect that they and Pelosi have the idea. Keeping Biden, Lieberman and Kerry on the reservation may be a problem. Dean's ability to distribute money to the states and the money he is pulling in should help with the various state party organizations. Recruiting Senate and House candidates will be very important, and I hope it isn't like it has been that any millionaire who can finance his own campaign gets recruited at the cost of better but less well-funded candidates. (This is where I see the blogosphere having its greatest potential impact.)

    I really see the election of 2006 as a test run for the new internet-enabled minority Democratic Party to begin to find out what wins elections and what doesn't.

    I have been delighted with Dean and his results. Similarly, I find Reid to be a fascinating and very capable strategist. Pelosi seems to have finally found the magic to get the Democrats in the House to act as a unified group.

    Things are looking up for the Democrats, and the Republicans are self-destructing before our eyes.

    What more can we ask?

    Oh, yeah. Democrats winning elections. Wee'll see.

    Recovering Perfectionist IWDWIC (I Will Do What I Can) - Politics Plus Stuff

    by Rick B on Mon Nov 28, 2005 at 11:25:41 PM PST

  •  Kos, Although (none)
    Republicans have held off Dean, I think it boils down to the fact he hasn't made himself tangible in the way McCullough did.

    Also, attacking Dean doesn't really hold much value at this stage.  It would only serve to portray Republicans in a negative light.  Similar to the central talking point of Republicans: Democrats = "the party of negativism."

    I do agree with you that the doomsday quotes and lackluster fundraising Republicans have hoped for has not materialized, butI wouldn't be too quick to count the smear machine out yet.

    All the truly dirty work is done when it really matters, and there is little time left to defend.

    I think the DNC is smart in putting a leesh on Dean and exposing him to the ones who really matter to the DNC, DNC contributors.

    We'll see how Dean holds up when it comes time to explain the Democratic position on withdrawl in 2006.

    Just my 2 cents.

    •  Leash? (none)
      Not sure what leash you and RoosveltDem up-thread are referring to.

      cheers,

      Mitch Gore

      Nobody will change America for you, you have to work to make it happen

      by Lestatdelc on Mon Nov 28, 2005 at 11:42:19 PM PST

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      •  What leash? (4.00)
        With all due respect and courtesy..what the hell are you talking about? Leash? Have you heard Dean on these talk shows? He talks about the Culture of Corruption..how he cannot keep track of all the Republican scandals. It does not sound like someone on a leash.

        So what are you talking about..a leash?
        Why? Where? How? When? What?

        America was not built on fear. America was built on courage, on imagination and an unbeatable determination to do the job at hand-Harry S. Truman

        by wishingwell on Mon Nov 28, 2005 at 11:48:40 PM PST

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      •  Yes (none)
        Please explain...
      •  Compare Dean before the ... (none)
        ... June 10, 2005 meeting with Harry Reid and other elected officials and Dean after that meeting. It took place after Dean had done two of his headline-grabbing speeches, the ones that the MSM focused on to show that Dean "hated Republicans" and thought that they were the "white Christian" party. I don't know what was said at that June 10 meeting, but ever since Dean has been toned down and has been a much better spokesperson for the party. Even better for Democrats, Dean has not been the focus of our news but instead the issues have been the focus. Call it a leash or whatever, but it was a welcome and needed corection and it has made Dean a better DNC chair, imo.
        •  Oh my (none)
          Good Golly Miss Molly ! Help me Rhonda!

          America was not built on fear. America was built on courage, on imagination and an unbeatable determination to do the job at hand-Harry S. Truman

          by wishingwell on Tue Nov 29, 2005 at 12:30:19 AM PST

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        •  I most (none)
          respectfully and courteously disagree..but I am too tired to elaborate. But he does not appear to ever have been on a leash and he is quite consistent. So I am still not convinced but I respect your opinion.

          America was not built on fear. America was built on courage, on imagination and an unbeatable determination to do the job at hand-Harry S. Truman

          by wishingwell on Tue Nov 29, 2005 at 12:32:03 AM PST

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        •  Uh (none)
          I do not think he has changed and I am glad about that personally. He talked about Republican scandals, so many he cannot keep track of them and the Culture of Corruption. I give him credit for staying strong and tough.

          America was not built on fear. America was built on courage, on imagination and an unbeatable determination to do the job at hand-Harry S. Truman

          by wishingwell on Tue Nov 29, 2005 at 12:33:42 AM PST

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        •  and keep in mind (none)
          I was not a Dean supporter during the Primaries.
          But as time has gone forward, he has won me over and especially as DNC chair.  I now see him in a new light and I wish had earlier actually. But my candidate did not win either for the nomination so it is not like my primary vote counted in a May primary and I sure supported Kerry once he won the nomination , not my first choice , In November. But I never badmouthed Howard and never will..I just was no board like I should have been in 03-04.

          But he makes a fantastic DNC chair and I love that he is tough and strong on issues...always.

          America was not built on fear. America was built on courage, on imagination and an unbeatable determination to do the job at hand-Harry S. Truman

          by wishingwell on Tue Nov 29, 2005 at 12:37:07 AM PST

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        •  If you read the Lizza article (4.00)
          you will see that Dean has enjoyed a cordial relationship with Reid since he began his campaign for the chair, even though he fully understood that Reid and Pelosi supported the unemployed Roemer. (who has no standing with the actual voting members of the DNC.)

          Dean is the head of the DNC.  Before he ran, he was confident he would have the total backing of that organization, and many people without a clue about the organizational structure of the DNC have wrongly inferred that there is someone out there who can "leash in" Dean.  Well, there isn't.  One of the problems with our party is that we have no national figures or elected officials who can speak for the party.  Reid and Pelosi are minority leaders, and only are influential within their own venues.

          It is also noted, that there are still Democrats who buy in to Republican talking points about Dean, but can't be bothered to even check out the context of his "controversial remarks"

          I will not even bother to correct your inferences because you have admitted you don't know what Reid said to Dean.   However, let me assure you that Dean, has not "toned down" his rhetoric....on the contrary, Reid and Pelosi have have kicked their own rhetoric up a notch or two.  And the result...considering the Gopsters are in meltdown, only alarms Vichy Democrats who go into "scaredy cat mode" when a Democrat says anything which could be engaging or compelling...or "partisan" in absolute terror that the Republicans would try to use our core values against us.

          With regard to Dean's "gravitas" on foreign policy and the war....excuse me, but when he was running for president he was doing policy speeches every week which were totally "gravitas" rich, and absolutely ignored by the media.  

          There has been no leash. For good or ill, Dean is his own man who keeps his own consul.  He is open to criticism, and he admits when he makes his mistakes, but there is nobody standing over him with a "leash."

          By the way, those "headline grabbing speeches" grabbed no headlines.  One wasn't a speech, but rather was a Q and A with minority reporters in San Francisco.  And the "I hate Republicans" speech has never been quoted correctly.  But there are those can't be bothered to do the research to find out what Dean did say, when "headlines" reinforce their preconceived notions.

        •  Also (none)
          if one wishes to speculate regarding what was said in the meeting with Reid, one could easily assume that Dean made it clear that the attacks on Dean from Democrats over stuff he "said" looked terrible, and that Reid might do well to exercise some discipline over his ballick, and put a kabosh on loose talk from Democrats.  

          After the meeting, you couldn't find a Democrat who would criticize Dean on the record....and the effort on the part of the DLC to sabotage Dean's tenure as party leader ended.

          We do know that various elements of the DLC have made it clear their own assertion of power over the party was much more important that actually getting people elected.

          And the difference between your speculation and mine is that mine actually reflects the reality of the relationship between Reid and Dean.  And it is in Harry Reid's interest become Majority Leader in the Senate...and to do that, we must have a majortiy in 2006.

  •  Dean Scream (4.00)
    My dream is to have Dean stand on a stage after we take the House and the Senate in '06. I want to hear him say:

    "We won in Iowa and Ohio and Rhode Island and Pennsylvania and California and Michigan and . . . WOOOOOOH!"

    And that point Judy Woodward, Chris Matthews, Jim Lehrer, Wolf Blitzer, and especially Norah O'Donnell  and the rest of their non-thinking, PR talking point repeating pals in the MSM will receive an engraved invitation to kiss my hairy white ass.

    (That whole Dean scream thing was nothing less than a hit that the Washington Dems and Karl Rove loved to see happen. The Dems wanted him out, and so did Rove.)

    •  Yes (none)
      ( big smile )...yes

      America was not built on fear. America was built on courage, on imagination and an unbeatable determination to do the job at hand-Harry S. Truman

      by wishingwell on Mon Nov 28, 2005 at 11:49:21 PM PST

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    •  Dean has made good. (none)
      Of the Democrats who felt threateded by Dean, many lost badly in 2004, and Dean has apparently let the ones who survived know he is not threatening them. He may even help them in 2006.

      That leaves only the Republicans to oppose Dean. But part of his charm is that he is not running for President in 2008.

      Recovering Perfectionist IWDWIC (I Will Do What I Can) - Politics Plus Stuff

      by Rick B on Tue Nov 29, 2005 at 12:05:28 AM PST

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    •  Timing is everything (none)
      That whole Dean scream thing was nothing less than a hit that the Washington Dems and Karl Rove loved to see happen. The Dems wanted him out, and so did Rove.

      I would point out that Dean screamed after losing the Iowa caucuses, not before.  So to attribute his implosion solely to the scream is inaccurate.

      •  the "implosion" (none)
        was the result of three things... dirty tricks by Kerry and Gephardt, Dean saying on Hardball that the media needed to be reregulated, and mismanagement of his money/campaign by Trippi.

        The "scream" was a manufactured issue which the MSM grabbed onto like a pitbull and seemed unable to let go.

        "The unholy matrimony of George Bush and the Religious Right threatens the rights of all Americans. It's time for a divorce." - Rev. Barry Lynn

        by lezlie on Tue Nov 29, 2005 at 02:29:19 AM PST

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        •  Dean (none)
          The implosion was the result of him being a bad candidate.  He didnt spend his money well and wasnt able to convince voters he was the best.  You cant blame other candidates and the media because every candidate always has to deal with them.

          As far as his job as chairman goes, it remains to be seen.  

          It is very clear he has been "leashed" whether you like to admit it or not.  His first couple of months were full of headlines that led to all sorts of dems telling him to tone it down, after which point he has basically dissapeared from the public spotlight.  As far as him calling republicans corrupt, that is a talking point that the dccc and dscc started, its not him being unleased.  

          His dnc fundraising has been subpar but I think he has done a lot of fundraising at the state level which should deliver results.  I dont think its fair to compare his fundrasing to anything from the past because the the DSCC and the DCCC are doing record fundraising and he should be able to easily out fundraise anything during the clinton years with this awful presidency and republican control of everything to use as fundraising material.  The 2006 election will be his judgement, not 2008.

          •  Another bit of false "common wisdom" (none)
            Read down past the first paragraph of those fundraising stories, and you'll find that his fundraising has been record-breaking, not "subpar."  The headlines keep quoting unnamed sources as saying that he's failing at fundraising because he's not raising as much as the Republicans.  We never raise as much as the Republicans, never have.  DNC fundraising is recordbreaking for a post-presidential off year, and up much more over the previous such year than RNC fundraising.
        •  Scream =! MSM (none)
          The "scream" was a manufactured issue which the MSM grabbed onto like a pitbull and seemed unable to let go.

          Um, given that it took all of, oh, TWO SECONDS for the scream to appear on every blog around, I'd say blaming the MSM for it is a mite premature.

    •  THAT would be sweet justice.......... (none)
      Dean was absolutely torpedoed by the Dems and the MSM.  Won't watch MSMBC to this day.  Yeah!  I love your scenario..

      "We won in Iowa and Ohio and Rhode Island and Pennsylvania and California and Michigan and . . . WOOOOOOH!"

      "I refuse to fight in war that was started by men who refused to fight in a war." FreewayBlogger

      by dkmich on Tue Nov 29, 2005 at 02:52:15 AM PST

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  •  How is DNC $$ being spent in states? (none)
    The DNC's cash-on-hand numbers make me a little nervous.  As someone who followed the Dean primary campaign closely, I remember how we cheered Dean's fundraising numbers and the large amount of staffers he had in many states besides just Iowa and NH.  Then when the accounting took place as the campaign dwindled down, we found that he hired a ton of people without much experience and spent almost all of the money for little result.

    Do we know that the people he's hiring in the 50-state strategy (about 23 states so far, I think I read) are doing strategic, productive work?  I read recently that he's been raising tons of money, but the DNC is pretty far behind the RNC on cash-in-hand.  I love that Dean trusts the grassroots and is sending money to the states.  But, I wonder if there's any accountability.

    Some charitable foundations use a venture capital model -- they give money to organizations along with training to the leaders, and they ask for grant reports describing how the money will be used, status reports along the way, provide local mentors, etc.  Is the DNC doing any of this?

    •  At first I was concerned the RNC outraised Dean (none)
      But then I saw we won in NJ and VA despite that, and then I realized he's outdoing Terry Mac for a corresponding year.

      Sure he'd be better if he beat the RNC in total cash for 2005, but still, better than Terry Mac is good.  Winning GOV chars is good too.  

      --Liberate your radio--

      by Sam Loomis on Tue Nov 29, 2005 at 04:59:42 AM PST

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  •  Why Would They??????? (none)
    well...  this is in addition to the fact that america doesn't give a rat's ass about who runs political parties.

    it also has to do with how dean has, perhaps, focussed more on the business of rebuilding the party and less on the business of advancing a specific dean agenda.

    which, imo, is to his credit.  but that's not because i don't agree with any of dean's agendas.

    the point here is he is simply not the loose cannon anyone thought he would be.  which means two things.  1)  people were stupid to think he would be a loose cannon.  and, 2) he's no longer the gold standard on the base motivating democrat.

    he has evolved from a guy who started out saying repugs are "white christian" as an insult into a guy who will dodge questions on hardball about abortion, who won't admit to being pro-choice cause pro-choice is not synonymous with being pro-abortion.

    wether this is good or not is up to you to decide but i think it does have a lot to do with why he has not become the boogeyman some dems feared and repugs hoped he would be.

    another example:  repugs might have had an easier time linking dean to kaine if dean showed up at kaine rallies snickering with kaine about "republican white christians" and such.  but that would have never happened.  cause that would be stupid.  and maybe dean always knew that.  maybe this is something dean himself has learned since taking over the job.

    Sick of the mess they find/On their desert stage/And the bravery of being out of range. -- r. waters

    by BiminiCat on Tue Nov 29, 2005 at 12:38:00 AM PST

    •  argh (none)
      should read:  he has evolved from a guy who started out saying repugs are "white christian" as an insult into a guy who will dodge questions on hardball about abortion, who won't admit to being pro-choice cause pro-choice is not NOW synonymous with being pro-abortion.

      Sick of the mess they find/On their desert stage/And the bravery of being out of range. -- r. waters

      by BiminiCat on Tue Nov 29, 2005 at 12:39:52 AM PST

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      •  I love how he dondges Talking Points Ken (none)
        and won't debate himon pundit shows, (where, between Dean, Ken, and the host, Dean would really be debating two wingnuts).

        That frustrates Mehlman.
        I suspect is scares them a little bit, too, to read how he is walking in the shadows of Main Street, and rebuilding the party away from the media spotlight.

        --Liberate your radio--

        by Sam Loomis on Tue Nov 29, 2005 at 05:02:41 AM PST

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  •  Wasn't it all just a GOP dirty trick (none)
    to tell the Democrats that GOP strategists were hoping that Dean won the primary in 2004 because he would be so easy to beat?

    When they were really scared to death that he would get the nomination because they wouldn't be able to lay a glove on him without getting their heads handed to them.

    So the Democrats nominate a Senate insider and lose the election.

  •  I love this "outrageous" quote: (none)
    The Chairman of the Democrat National Committee (DNC), Howard Dean, said at a recent meeting of the Democrat Black Caucus, "You think the Republicans could get this many people of color in a single room? Only if they had the hotel staff in here."

    Today, Kate Obenshain Griffin, Chairman of the Republican Party of Virginia, called on Lieutenant Governor Tim Kaine to tell Virginians whether he supports the racially insensitive remarks made by the DNC Chairman, especially given the recent press reports of the $5 million the DNC plans to provide the Kaine campaign:

    "As the Democrat Party is overtaken by the national leftist liberal establishment, their policies of anger and pessimism are becoming clear. The intolerable remarks made by Howard Dean expose the fact that the Democrat Party takes minorities for granted.

    Reminds me of my one and(thankfully) only Country Club experience. My great-aunt was born poor and married rich - a Nabisco heir, founder of Chris-Craft. This lowly Pole had no excuse to be haughty. Yet here I was at a Country Club dinner with the decrepit windbag, and after the black waiter leaves she says "he's one of the good ones." If the bitch wasn't breathing out of an oxygen tank I probably would have slapped her.

    That is the elite mindset of both the Republican leadership and the DLC. That black waiter knew his place. He was "good."

    Howard Dean knows that mindset and that was the context of his quote. If what he said was so outrageous you'd think the Congressional Black Caucus would have stepped up and said so themselves. But no, they don't have their own voice, they need the Gallant White Knight Republicans to be outraged for them.

    I think both parties on the national level have shut out minorities of all stripes. But at least Dems are trying to change that. The Congressional Black Caucus contains some of our brightest and most honest legislators. The Republicans have Alan Keyes.

    Fuck Kate Obenshain Griffin and her feigned outrage.

    Evil is genetic. Sterilize the Bush crime family.

    by rjo on Tue Nov 29, 2005 at 01:20:23 AM PST

    •  Howard Dean="Southern Comfort" (none)
      FYI, I strongly defended Dean from very early on in the Kaine-Kilgore contest, with articles like this ("Howard Dean: Southern Comfort?"> and this ("Crybaby Conservatives Criticize Dean")and this (Give `Em Hell Howard!) on the Raising Kaine blog.  I hope those posts helped -- even in a small way -- to beat back the hysterical attacks by people like Kate Obenshain Griffin.  In the end, it turned out that Howard Dean was much more "Southern Comfort" for Tim Kaine than he was for Jerry Kilgore!  Ha ha.
    •  I can hear the Rev. Al Sharpton (none)
      saying the same thing, now..... Dean is what everyone preaches.  Color blind.   If anyone every listed to him, his message has been clear.  Middle class Americans, backbone of the nation, confederate flags and all...not black/white, male/female/, hetero/homo, north/south, and on and on and on.  Division is what Republicans do. He says we are all Americans struggling under Republican rule and spineless Democrats (can't say this one anymore).  We need to take our country back.  AAAAArrrrrrrrghhhhhhhh!  Howard speaks truth to power.

      "I refuse to fight in war that was started by men who refused to fight in a war." FreewayBlogger

      by dkmich on Tue Nov 29, 2005 at 02:29:24 AM PST

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      •  I'm sorry, must still be asleep. (none)
        It should read:  If anyone ever listened to him,

        Kos, for those of us who leap before we look or look and plain don't see, any possibility we can add edit to our own posts?

        "I refuse to fight in war that was started by men who refused to fight in a war." FreewayBlogger

        by dkmich on Tue Nov 29, 2005 at 02:42:20 AM PST

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    •  Your tag line (none)
      If evil is truly genetic, and your grandmother was so loathsome....when are you going to be sterilized?

      "They don't think it be like it is, but it do." Oscar Gamble, 1980.

      by Spider Stumbled on Tue Nov 29, 2005 at 06:35:12 AM PST

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    •  Thanks for sharing your experience (none)
      But I disagree with you re: the Democrats and minorities (and I get tired of saying this over and over again):
      http://www.dailykos.com/...
    •  Also, why do you include (none)
      The DLC in your attack?  There are lots of things I don't like about the DLC, but one name I wouldn't call them is "racist."
  •  Dean is Failing (none)
    Dean is all about running Dean.  How can the democratic party NOT be capitalizing on public sentiment of the republicans' debacles?

    come wash the night time clean

    by sunsquared on Tue Nov 29, 2005 at 02:09:38 AM PST

    •  Dean is doing the smart thing. (none)
      As the old saying goes, never kill a man who is committing suicide.  You don't see Ken Mehlman out front beating the drums either for the Sith.. er, GOP, do you?

      2006 isn't going to be about one main party spokesperson; it's going to be about localized contests in fifty states, even if they have national themes.  If he tried to go the superstar route, pretty soon all the media coverage would be about him and not about the party, and it would give the GOP a single target to focus their attacks on instead of having to tread water like they're doing now.

      A dog is just a dog, unless he is facing you in an alley. Then, he is Mr. Dog.

      by DemInTampa on Tue Nov 29, 2005 at 04:52:29 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  Bullshit. (none)
      Have you not heard him use the phrase "Culture of Corruption" at every speaking opportunity? He has a message--it'd be nice if the rest of the party would fall in line with that.

      Nobody likes big government until they need something. -5.88, -6.82

      by Debby on Tue Nov 29, 2005 at 08:04:31 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  I beg to differ (4.00)
    "..proves that he's not the Scary Liberal Boogeyman many feared he'd be"

    He's all that and more. He hasn't kept his mouth shut. He's called a liar a liar. He's called a criminal a criminal. In fact, Dean surpassed my wildest dreams of how a Dem chairman should behave.

    And he would have been cricified by the Washington talking heads aghast at his lack of decorum - Had it not been for one small fact - Everything he said and more has turned out to be exactly true.

    I prefer DKos News to Google News

    by inetresearch on Tue Nov 29, 2005 at 02:26:06 AM PST

  •  In Pennsylvania (none)
    the Republicans are using Dean (and Hillary) as boogeymen (boogeypeople?) in their fundraising appeals.  Something like - "The ultra-left liberals Howard Dean and Hillary Clinton are coming to Pennsylvania ...."

    Therefore, I wouldn't be so sanguine about the lack of attacks on Dean at the national level. It may simply reflet the fact that there is no narional election this year.  I'd reserve judgement until the 2008 election run-up.

    The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. Bertrand Russell

    by accumbens on Tue Nov 29, 2005 at 03:44:11 AM PST

  •  The question is... (none)
    ...how good will the fundraising be for 2006?  This is where the mark will be made.  If the the result is "good", how much of that will be due to Shrub's ineptitude/failures vs. Ds running good/great candidates?

    I still want massive campaign finance reform that includes banning of TV ads (I know - 1st amendment considerations).

    Bleech.

    "Sooner or later a false belief bumps up against solid reality, usually on a battlefield." Orwell

    by roo roo on Tue Nov 29, 2005 at 03:56:02 AM PST

  •  Back in June (4.00)
    Montana's incoming democratic state party chair Dennis MacDonald said that he didn't want to meet with Dean at the state convention, because "Dean was being too mean to republicans" who MacDonald was trying to persuade to vote for demos in rural Montana. After an uproar, MacDonald apologized and agreed to meet with the DNC chair.

    At the Montana state democratic convention in July, the "Meet Chairman Dean" fundraiser was so crowded, everyone couldn't fit in the small room that had been reserved. Chairman Dean received a ten-minute long standing ovation from the 600 attendees at the evening's banquet as he entered the room, before he was even introduced or could get to the podium.

    State Chair MacDonald has proposed a "56-county strategy" organizing local democratic central committees in every Montana county. MacDonald has also pushed the idea that every race will have a democratic candidate and that no republican office holder will go unchallenged.  Gee I wonder where those ideas came from?

    Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

    "We will go to the moon, and do these other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard". President John F. Kennedy, 1962.

    by Ed in Montana on Tue Nov 29, 2005 at 04:59:20 AM PST

  •  Every 2 years, MILLIONS of $ and Hrs (none)
    get donated to the DC Dem crowd from us millions of peons, and then the DC Dem crowd allow themselves to be painted as too liberal or too soft or too this or too that -

    and they get their asses kicked in the elections and subsequent policy implementations.

    IF we peons keep supporting this DC Dem crowd of election incompetents and / or corrupt DINOs, Howard ain't gonna be enough.

    I read that people are afraid of what the thugs are going to say about cindy Sheehan - ummmm - the problem isn't what the thugs are gonna lie about, the problem is that the a**wipes on our side who are supposed to be professionals can't come up with counter attacks !!

    the problem is:

    WE the peons enable the DC Dem losers by supporting them!

    The thugs have proven that message doesn't need to be attached to any reality, & the message fails ONLY when the reality is on Katrina / Iraq caliber failure -

    so why is it so hard for our side to create effective messages?  

    they are corrupt, or incompetent.

    CLEAN HOUSE !!

    Howard is the begining -

    rmm.

    Grassroots Organizing Should Be for The Community, By The Community - NOT for "Leaders" http://www.liemail.com/BambooGrassroots.html

    by rmdSeaBos on Tue Nov 29, 2005 at 05:07:16 AM PST

  •  This is why we are reminding America and the (none)
    world exactly where the revolution started.

    Thanks for keeping the focus.

    Directing Your Grassroots Movement Movie at thegrassrootsmovie.com

    by deantv on Tue Nov 29, 2005 at 05:25:29 AM PST

  •  Some photos (none)
    From the Montana Democratic Party Convention in Great Falls last July.

    Chairman Dean with outgoing state party chair Bob Ream on the left and incoming chair Dennis MacDonald on the right:

    One of my friends telling Dean how she wants to punch the Dubya.

    If Dean can win over the party grassroots here in Montana, he can do it anywhere.

    "We will go to the moon, and do these other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard". President John F. Kennedy, 1962.

    by Ed in Montana on Tue Nov 29, 2005 at 05:35:49 AM PST

  •  PSYCHOTIC DRUGS CAUSING SCHOOL VIOLENCE (none)
    Recently, it was found out that every one of the students who were enganged in psychotic violence at schools were taking prozac and other psychotic drugs.  Pressure put on students to test and new policies are to blame?  Who knows, but something is totally wrong and it shows that current educational policies are not working as they should.  See, "A History of Education Book II," pub by www.Xlibris.com  more at http://community.webtv.net/... http://community.webtv.net/...

    Knowledge is power; "Susu Economics," AuthorHouse.com "A History of Education Book II," Xlibris.com

    by susunomics on Tue Nov 29, 2005 at 05:52:13 AM PST

  •  Dean (none)
    Dean will one day be seen as the Newt Gingrich of the Democratic Party, where after years of not being in power a revolution is begun.
  •  Mehlman (none)
    I don't really care for the dig at Mehlman's sexuality. I have no earthly idea what his preferences are, although now that I think about it I can see why someone would think what Kos wrote. But writing it is another thing. It's tawdry and in bad taste. And yes, the Republicans do far, far worse things than call someone a closet case. But if my ambition in life was to be a better citizen than the Republican establishment, I could sleep 23 hours a day and win with 55 minutes to spare.

    "They don't think it be like it is, but it do." Oscar Gamble, 1980.

    by Spider Stumbled on Tue Nov 29, 2005 at 06:38:16 AM PST

  •  Dean's done a good job (none)
    But I don't bow and scrape to anybody, no matter what Kos says; he still has to prove himself.  And like it or not, the 2006 elections will be considered a referendum on him.  
  •  Times piece on Dean & the West (none)
    On Sunday, the Times ran a piece saying that Dems in the West

    act as if they would rather catch the bird flu than have their pictures taken with Howard Dean, the Democratic Party chairman who often runs into "scheduling conflicts" with the governors whenever he visits.

    The only Dem they quote who mentions Dean, however, is Wyoming Gov Fruedenthal:

    It's only when I get lumped in with John Kerry and Howard Dean that my party affiliation becomes an issue," said Governor Freudenthal, one of eight children from a farm in Thermopolis, Wyo. "Stick to the kitchen issues - health care, jobs and fairness -and stick to the facts.

    Is the Times exaggerating the effects of association with Dean?

    Let all the poisons that lurk in the mud hatch out -- Emperor Claudius

    by Upper West on Tue Nov 29, 2005 at 07:14:07 AM PST

    •  No, there are lots of scheduling conflicts (none)
      And that's too bad because Dean comes from a rural state and continually balanced his budget and has as high a NRA rating as any of the antelope hunters.  Dean has helped us get two more field organizers in Montana to help with organizing while many of the old party leaders still want to run things the same old way i.e. just use us county activists to put up signs and collect money for crappy negative ads that help their friends in the ad agencies but don't do squat for us.  Dean empowers.  Dean asks us for our ideas.  Dean asks us to be part of a community.  
      Most folks are practical and want a practical problem solver as Governor.  Schweitzer had a great message along with a plain style.  HIs message was that big corporations had been given all the breaks..tax breaks, subsidies, lax work regulations, lax environmental standards.. It was time for small business which is the biggest business in Montana to be put at the front of the line.
      I am proud to stand with any Democrat who stands for peace and prosperity and principle.  I stand with the urban and rural laborer and not "corporate centrists" like the Warners, Bayhs,.  And yes,  Robert Kennedy is still my ideal.
      And can we get beyond the "bagging an elk" talk and get on to 'bagging the corporate looters"?

      "Life is a zoo in a jungle." Peter De Vries

      by MontanaMaven on Tue Nov 29, 2005 at 08:24:30 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  well, Gov Dave is a D only (none)
      in the Wyoming sense.
      In any other state, he'd be a moderate R.

      It wouldn't matter WHO the Chair of the Dem party is, Gov Dave would keep him at a distance.

  •  God bless Howard Dean (none)
    Gov. Dean did a couple things once assuming the DNC chair.  First, he went around and collected the gloves of all the major Democrats in Congress.  Partywide, nationally speaking: the gloves are off.  Democrats of all stripes have spoken up, and it is working.  America is starting to become very angry at the status quo, at the incompetence, at the sheer hubris of the ruling party.  And folks, the Democratic party is here to stay.  For years the GOP referred to liberals as "milquetoast", but they've gotten us angry now.  That's the first and most important thing the Doctor did when he took over: the battle for America is joined, everyday, every issue.  About time.

    In fairness, we should give Mr. Reid some credit for this too.

    Second, Dean started improving the grassroots of the party, long neglected by previous DNC heads.  He has recruited strong candidates in every house seat that isn't firmly held by the GOP.  He has raised money for candidates all over.  I get emails from him or other prominent Democrats three times a week, which has the effect of keeping the grassroots organized.  The guy has restored us into a legitimate political party, and therefore we have a shot of actually gaining seats in the next election.

    Third, since he knows the opposition, he is using them.  He hasn't been consistently attacked by the right wing's media appartatus because if he were (as DNC chair), Dean could point at them and offer it as proof that they ARE a Republican tool.  "Fair and Balanced" is a claim that they have to do at least a little to back up.  Dean has offered himself as a partisan and as a target knowing full well that shooting at the target exposes the partisan nature of the opposition's media.

    Last, but not least, we finally have someone who's ready and willing to counter the moves of that sleazy Ken Mehlman.  I don't think previous DNC heads were gutsy enough to do it.  God bless Howard Dean, and keep him at it.

  •  Howard Dean is a profile in courage. (none)

    NYT: "All the news that's fit to pimp."

    by Exclamation Point Brian on Tue Nov 29, 2005 at 08:32:58 AM PST

  •  We'll soon see MSM headlines... (none)
    "Dean opponents proven wrong"
    "Dean proves to be effective, likeable consensus leader"
    "Liberal wing of party proven prescient in choice for chair"
    "He's not crazy, just competent"

    And then pigs will fly, hell will freeze over, etc.

    Check out my lte archive at http://www.livejournal.com/users/tomletters and feel free to use my ideas for your own lte's.

    by DemDachshund on Tue Nov 29, 2005 at 09:09:43 AM PST

  •  Keep Howie in the closet (none)
    Kos, if your point is that Dean does his best work when he loses the wild-eyed rhetoric and stays out of the spotlight, I think you might be right.

    And I see you've already given him a preemptive pass for failing in 2006.  If it's all the same to you, I'd prefer to win in 2006, even if it means we demand some performance from poor ol' Howie.  You seem to put Dean's low expectations ahead of party success.  What's up with that?  

  •  It bothers me more and more (none)
    I didn't want to leave another comment on this thread, but it really bothers me to see Dean get every last scrap of the credit for reviving the party, and no one else (except maybe for that governor of Montana) getting any credit.  Someone did mention Harry Reid, and I'm glad to see that, but this endless praise of Dean for every damn thing he ever says or does is one of the most tiresome things about this site.  
  •  I was wrong (none)
    My first diaries here at dKos were anti-Dean for DNC Chair. I was a pretty vocal Fowler advocate (and I still think he would have done a great job), but I have to admit that Howard has done a great job leading the party over the past year.
  •  Can we work together (none)
    Kerry and Dean do, it appears.

    Dean isn't nearly as divisive as some of his supporters, it also appears.

    "My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die."

    by Kerrycrat on Tue Nov 29, 2005 at 02:54:24 PM PST

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