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This was supposed to be the beginning of a new era in German-US relations. Condi and Angela Merkel were supposed to show that with Gerhard Schroeder gone Germany was willing to work constructively with the Bush administration. Even the illegal rendition of the German citizen - Khaled Masri - could not interfere with the photo-op: Merkel - speaking in English - said that Secretary Rice admitted that US had "made a mistake". But Condi's eyes betrayed her anger as Merkel made this remark. Later, on the plane to Romania, Condi's team made the following comment to the press: "We are not quite sure what was in her head." The US did not make a mistake in the abduction and rendition of Masri; Condi simply informed Merkel that he had been detained and released.

The German press is understandably furious with Secretary Rice and the United States.  The opposition parties have called for hearings in German government complicity in the renditions. Hold on to your seats, the firestorm of anger in Germany is just beginning.

Originally posted to DowneastDem on Tue Dec 06, 2005 at 02:07 PM PST.

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  •  Link not working (none)
    Seems to point back to this diary.
  •  This is obviously..., (none)
    the beginning of Condi's 08 Presidential run.

    "Those are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others." Groucho Marx

    by irate on Tue Dec 06, 2005 at 02:11:10 PM PST

    •  I'm not religious, but (none)
      Dear God, please, please grant the People of the United States of America the wisdom to know that this woman has been an utter failure in her role as as national security adviser.

      No matter what she does as Secretary of State (though it looks like she is screwing that job up, too) can ever have her deemed worthy of consideration for higher office.

      And, dear God, if you are listening... if there is any justice in this universe..please make sure she disappears from the American political consciousness on the eponymous oil tanker on which she sailed in.


      NYT: "All the news that's fit to pimp."

      by Exclamation Point Brian on Tue Dec 06, 2005 at 02:58:55 PM PST

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  •  Don't make amateur diplomats (none)
    into secretaries of state.  This kind of hamhandedness reminds me of that other diplomatic amateur, Joachim von Ribbentrop.

    Der Spiegel's take on this: US-Regierung erbost über Merkels Wortwahl [U.S. Government Irritated by Merkel's Choice of Words].

    •  According to that Der Spiegel story, (none)
      everybody was all smiles at the joint press conference in Germany, and the critical comments by Rice's aides came two hours later on Air Force Two, addressed to the press people on the plane.

      I now suspect the negative reaction to Merkel's language came from Washington, and was relayed to Rice and the other people on Air Force Two.  (From Bush?)

      By the way, if the plane Rice has been travelling around in is called Air Force Two, how did Cheney get to and from Fort Drum, NY for the speech he gave there today?  Could this be a sign of Bush's estrangement from Cheney?

      •  How did The Dick get to/from Fort Drum? (none)
        Why, he took the Death Star, of course!

        You really shouldn't have to ask!

        Big Joe Helton: "I pay Plenty."
        Chico Marx: "Well, then we're Plenty Tough."

        by Caelian on Tue Dec 06, 2005 at 02:23:05 PM PST

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      •  Because it's *not* AF-2 (none)
        It's not AF-2 unless VPOTUS is on board.

        Otherwise it's just a really nice Boeing 757 (C-32A to the Air Force) operated by the 89th Airlift Wing, 99th Airlift Squadron, that happens to be frequently used by the VP on big (lots of staff and press) trips.

        But it's very common for the Secretary of State or the First Lady to use this aircraft on overseas trips that involve the press.

        Don't worry, Dick isn't stranded, the 99th will rustle up a Gulfstream (C-37) for him to use should he need it, assuming they're not all in the air transporting "invisible" enemy combatants out of Europe to Africa, Asia and the Middle East. :-)

    •  Ron Vibbentrop (none)
      Played hilariously by Graham Chapman in Monty Python's sketch with John Cleese as Mr. Hilter.  "Wouldn't... have... much... fun... in... Stalingrad..."

      Big Joe Helton: "I pay Plenty."
      Chico Marx: "Well, then we're Plenty Tough."

      by Caelian on Tue Dec 06, 2005 at 02:18:27 PM PST

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      •  Von Brickendrop. (none)
        The Brits who had to suffer through von Ribbentrop's stint as ambassador in London called him "von Brickendrop."

        Perhaps his most notorious action in that capacity came when he was being formally presented to the king, and gave a Hitler salute.

    •  ACLU Complaint (4.00)
      The Spiegel article also speculates that the lawsuit may have played a role here. The US cannot afford to admit it made a mistake.

      Dialog macht Sinn / Dialogue makes sense

      by DowneastDem on Tue Dec 06, 2005 at 02:23:41 PM PST

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  •  Condi is as guilty... (4.00) Cheney, Hadley, Yoo, Gonzalez and all the other pro-torture Administration hard liners.  We will not have decent relations with europe or the rest of the world until at least a few of these individuals are prosecuted.  

    Condi needs to be exposed as a promoter of torture, particularly since she seems to have pretentions of a presidential run in 2008.

  •  Link (4.00)
    Sorry, I fixed the link,

    Dialog macht Sinn / Dialogue makes sense

    by DowneastDem on Tue Dec 06, 2005 at 02:14:50 PM PST

  •  slightly off topic, but not really... (none)
    is this ridiculous, unbelieveable headline on right now...

    "Poll finds broad approval of terrorist torture"

    Until, of course, you read the first paragraph and realize the question was qualified VERY IMPORTANTLY  with "at least in rare instances".  Makes for a huge diff, no?

    How misleading is that?  Probably the reason so many Americans think that other Americans approve, so why shouldn't they?  And our gov't just gives them what they want...

    We were promised a democracy, sold an oligarchy, and ended up with a kakistocracy...

    by topicalstorm on Tue Dec 06, 2005 at 02:25:05 PM PST

  •  kinda ironic (4.00)
    now both Germany & Italy are mad at us...

     in WWII Germany & Italy were the fascists...but now more and more people are saying that about us

    what a strange, sick world

    •  Actually, everybody's mad at us (none)
      Quacky is a uniter, not a divider!

      Big Joe Helton: "I pay Plenty."
      Chico Marx: "Well, then we're Plenty Tough."

      by Caelian on Tue Dec 06, 2005 at 02:41:12 PM PST

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    •  My thought as well (none)
      Especially in regards to Germany. How many years they've spent getting out from under the weight of Hitler's atrocities and there is the U.S. trying to bury them under again...and taking all of Europe with them.

      World Wars I & II were fought directly on European soil and while America's collective memory may be hazy, you can bet that Europe's isn't. BushCo has stirred up quite the hornets' nest and I, for one, can't wait for the administration to be stung into anaphylactic shock.

      Bush - the ultimate example of the Peter Principle.

      by PatsBard on Tue Dec 06, 2005 at 02:43:24 PM PST

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  •  Holy jesus.... (4.00)
    did anyone actually read that link??  Did you see why this poor guy was detained, abused, and tortured??

    they THOUGHT his passport was fake--it was not


    he had the same last name as some other bad dude.  

    that's it.  a weird-looking passport and a common name.  Those two things bought him a ticket to hell.

    Holy shit.  That is stunning.  That you can be tortured for having a blurry passport photo is just stunning.

    We were promised a democracy, sold an oligarchy, and ended up with a kakistocracy...

    by topicalstorm on Tue Dec 06, 2005 at 02:44:44 PM PST

  •  Another piece of good news (none)
    First, a jury of actual citizens found the government did not prove their case in Florida, and now, citizens of Germany are not going to let this Condi BS stand.

    Democracies are such a problem for would-be tyrants that it is amazing they are actually promoting democracy.

  •   National Security Director during 9-11... (none)
    And now incompetent as Secretary of State..

    Seeing any pattern yet?????

    •  Advisor, not director (none)
      The the NSC advisor to the President certainly an astoundingly influential and vital position, but it is not technically the director of anything other the NSC support staff.


      Mitch Gore

      Nobody will change America for you, you have to work to make it happen

      by Lestatdelc on Tue Dec 06, 2005 at 07:18:37 PM PST

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  •  This will be especially interesting (none)
    because the German government also has the goods on "Curveball" which will cause Condi and her crew a world of hurt. The German public was wholeheartedly opposed to military intervention, and the German government played it as if they were too, while secretly on the phone with Bush saying "our hands are tied, but let us know how we can help, because we don't want to be out of the loop."

    A full airing on just exactly what was happening in Germany in response to the Bush invasion of Iraq would be a welcome tonic right about now.

  •  Things are really screwed up (none)
    when the Germans are calling us Nazis.
  •  Sorry world. (none)
      Don't blame me Europeans, I voted for Kodos - Kerry, I mean Kerry.  Add this to the large number of things that would not have happened under a Gore or a Kerry administration.  This is a disgrace of epic proportions, but I'm sure John Bolton and Condoleezza Rice will clear things right up.  Riiiiighhhtttt...  What else can I say, I'm digusted by my own country,
  •  Condi Nasty (none)
    Ponder upon the fact that she has the highest approval rating of anyone in this administration with the general public.  Are the rest of them THAT BAD????

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