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The Emerging Story Behind the Wiretaps UPDATED

Tue Dec 20, 2005 at 02:05:47 PM PDT

In the past few days, a deluge of reports have come out regarding the now admitted spying on the American people. By connecting these reports, a possible timeline emerges, which may explain a good deal more about the NSA-Gate/Snoop-Gate/Wiretap-No-No-Gate than we ever expected in the first place. Also, this theory works to answer a major question critics in the media have been asking; that being why wasn't FISA and the FBI used legally to do the spying- instead of the NSA without warrants? Let's connect the dots:

1. Shortly after the September 11 attacks, the Bush Administration wants to spy on Americans. They go on a spying rampage, at this point doing it the official way, and using FISA regulations to obtain warrants for wiretaps and similar surveillance. Ashcroft is in charge of this at that time. Unable to prove his and his cohorts suspicions about various people and groups they want to spy on, they go nuts and lie like crazy for several months to FISA courts in order to obtain warrants. (explained by upcoming link)

2. The FISA court catches on to his lies in May of 2002, and tells Ashcroft he's been very naughty. Read the following:
A May 17 opinion warrants by the court that oversees the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) alleges that Justice Department and FBI officials supplied erroneous information to the court in more than 75 applications for search warrants and wiretaps
(source: WaPo)

Before we go onto 3, a very important history lesson:
The Foreign Intelligence Surveillance [FISA] Court was supposed to put an end to the kinds of wiretaps that were placed on the phones of enemies of President Nixon
(source: NPR) Keep that in mind as we move on.

3. After having been caught lying continuously to obtain warrants by the FISA court in May, Ascroft and his pals seek other ways of spying. They decide to use the highly secretive N.S.A. (an agency meant to spy abroad, not at home). After getting authorization from the President, they go forward with their plan. (source: NYT)

Unwilling or uncaring for congressional approval of his new tactic, Ascroft told Bush that what they were doing had been already approved right after 9/11, in a Presidential Authorization passed by congress. But that congressional approval wasn't an approval at all. The bill wasn't introduced with this in mind, but it was the only weak rationalization they could find. It didn't matter, the only important thing was that it was vague enough to "justify" it. NYT:
President Bush cited the resolution, the Authorization for the Use of Military Force, on Monday at his news conference. So did Attorney General Alberto R. Gonzales, who in a session with reporters said the Congressional measure, in addition to the president's inherent power as commander in chief, gave the government the power "to engage in this kind of signals intelligence."
[...]
It provides the president with sweeping but vaguely defined authority "to use all necessary and appropriate force against those nations, organizations, or persons he determines planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001."
The resolution makes no mention of surveillance activity.
[...]
"Nobody, nobody thought when we passed a resolution to invade Afghanistan and to fight the war on terror - including myself who voted for it - that this was an authorization to allow a wiretapping against the law of the United States," Senator Russell D. Feingold, Democrat of Wisconsin, said in an interview on the "Today" show Monday.


4. But Ascroft hadn't given up on the FBI just yet. You see, shortly after 9/11, he had made a commitment to spy on Americans using the FBI, and had increased their powers to do so. Ascroft wasn't about to let all that perfectly good loosening of restrictions on FBI power go to waste. Nope, he went ahead with the spying- only without wiretaps. NYT:
One F.B.I. document indicates that agents in Indianapolis planned to conduct surveillance as part of a "Vegan Community Project." Another document talks of the Catholic Workers group's "semi-communistic ideology." A third indicates the bureau's interest in determining the location of a protest over llama fur planned by People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals.
[...]
"It's clear that this administration has engaged every possible agency, from the Pentagon to N.S.A. to the F.B.I., to engage in spying on Americans," said Ann Beeson, associate legal director for the A.C.L.U.
"You look at these documents," Ms. Beeson said, "and you think, wow, we have really returned to the days of J. Edgar Hoover, when you see in F.B.I. files that they're talking about a group like the Catholic Workers league as having a communist ideology."
[...]
"It's shocking and it's outrageous," Mr. Kerr said. "And to me, it's an abuse of power by the F.B.I. when groups like Greenpeace and PETA are basically being punished for their social activism."
5. NYT gets wind of N.S.A. story in 2004. They phone over to White House (henceforth WH) for a confirmation or on-the-record statement about the N.S.A. spy scoop. WH agrees to talk, but won't confirm or deny at first. WH first asks NYT reporters Risen and Lichblau to kill the story. They refuse. WH then says okay- cut out the juciest parts of your story then (as they supposedly endanger National Security). Risen and Lichblau agree. For unknown reasons, they hold off on publishing the story until late 2005. NYT claims they were conducting additional reporting during this time to back up the story.

WaPo speculates on the reason for the delay:
The paper offered no explanation to its readers about what had changed in the past year to warrant publication. It also did not disclose that the information is included in a forthcoming book, "State of War: The Secret History of the CIA and the Bush Administration," written by James Risen, the lead reporter on yesterday's story. The book will be published in mid-January, according to its publisher, Simon & Schuster.
My own guess is that NYT ran the story when they did because they might have wanted to break it, before Risen's book came out, which undoubtedly has further details. Or, Risen could have kept the story in bed, until the perfect time to publish it came- as close to his book's publication as possible, in order to maximize press coverage. Either way, the story's publication so close to his book publication date is likely no accident.

6. When they're finally ready to run the story, Rizen and Lichblau call WH up again, to ask for comment. Again, WH does not deny the story, but no official comment is given. WH goes above the reporters' heads this time, desperately calling in senior NYT Editor and Publisher Sulzberger and Keller.

December 6, Sulzberger and Keller refuse to kill the story, after a last minute plea from the President himself. (source: Newsweek). More than a week goes by without publication of the story. We can guess that during this week and a half, Rove was hard at work, straining to think of any possible talking points for Bush. On the 16, the story goes to print, and explodes everywhere.

7. Bush confirms the story, and the only talking point Rove seems to have come up with two talking points. A, that running the story was horrible, and that it compromised National Security, and B, that congress supposedly approved the N.S.A. spying "dozens of times."

Since we've all heard the first talking point- and even though it sounds like B.S.- it's impossible to destroy (somebody prove me wrong), let's take a moment to look at the second talking point. In an Wiretap Scandal Roundup I wrote recently, I noted the following:
Firstly (possibly the most important development), it just came out that Bush et al lied at press conferences where they've consistently said (the now familiar talking point) that Congress supposedly approved the illegal NSA program which included spying on Americans without getting warrants from a judge. More on that here. Hopefully this aspect of the story will get more play.

-Also on the congress aspect, C&L points to this: "The former Senate Majority and Minority leader, Tom Daschle, says tonight in a statement that the White House "omitted key details" from him related to the NSA interception program"


If anyboy else knows of other examples of members of congress poking holes in this story, I'd love for somebody to send a tip to my website, as I may just flesh this aspect out into a full story.

Originally posted at The Daily Background.com
P.S.- Thanks to shock. Also, thanks to Earl for a correction on a Bush quote. :)

UPDATE: Hollywood Liberal notes that apparently it wasn't just Ascroft obsessed with all this spying. It seems as though John Bolton (now U.S. representative to the United Nations) was heavily involved as well:
"During the Bolton hearings, however, it emerged that when he was at the State Department, Bolton on several occasions received summaries of intercepts between foreigners and "U.S. persons" and requested that the spy agency tell him who those Americans were. The agency complied. Following this revelation, Newsweek discovered that from January 2004 to May 2005, the National Security Agency had supplied names of 10,000 American citizens in this informal fashion to policy makers, intelligence services and law enforcement agencies. Democrats took advantage of Bolton's transgression in the nomination battle, playing up his reputation as a sharp-elbowed brute and implying that he might have used the intercepts to intimidate Washington adversaries. Bolton, for his part, told Congress that he asked the spy agency for the names in order "to better understand" summaries of intercepted conversations: "It's important to find out who is saying what to whom.


UPDATE 2: on point 2- shock just pointed this out (my wording):

It appears that there were problems with the FBI investigators lying to FISA before bush took office. in 2000, when these problems were uncovered, and the FISA court suggested to congress that they change the laws so that this type of lying wouldn't occur or would be more difficult- Ascroft heavily opposed this. Ascroft went the exact other direction- and wanted to reform FISA so that it would be easier to get warrants and approval; not harder. Although he the court ruled against him, the decision was overturned upon appeal in novemer, filed by Ascroft.

UPDATE 3: Here's item 9.:

9. But this wasn't all. Ever heard of "CIFA"? Neither had I. It turns out, it's yet another agency which possibly is being used to spy on people inside the United States. Since it's a bit of a mouthful to condense, I'll leave the explanation up to Magorn.

Update #456463: I'd like to draw attention to this article by AP: "Democrats Say They Didn't Back Wiretapping"

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  •  emerging (4.00 / 11)

    This story is exploding on CNN.  It seems huge.  Are democrats going to wait a few weeks before jumping on the impeachment bandwagon
    •  Certainly the wave hasn't crested yet.... (4.00 / 10)

      I am very curious as to why the talking points haven't been fully developed when the story broke.  They had so much time to work this out, and the only things they come up with are the "honey, I'm beating you for your own good" lines.  

      I never trust my feelings when I believe them to be totally stupid!

      But this time, they are actually saying things like "I am the President, and I can do what I want to keep you safe!"  
      What lawyer would ever let his client say such a thing?!!?

      Really, WWFSMD?

      by sp0t on Tue Dec 20, 2005 at 02:48:22 PM PDT

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      •  i'll be interested to see how this ties into (4.00 / 23)

        the recent conyers report entitled "The Constitution in Crisis"... perhaps an adendum can be added?
      •  Some emerging thought... (4.00 / 8)

        As presented by Stirling Newberry a couple of days ago - is that the fact that they had Bush himself come out swinging on this shows that they believe that this is potentially very damaging.  This is one of the few things, in all the scandals, that may show people that they are personally affected by this decision.  They have no recourse before the law now and have to totally rely on the benevolance of Dear Leader.  Has America become too complacent to even care that their rights are determined by an individual and not the Constitution - time will tell.

        'Part of what makes America so beautiful is that there is no such thing as someone who looks like an American' - Barack Obama

        by RichM on Tue Dec 20, 2005 at 02:53:37 PM PDT

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        •  People (4.00 / 8)

          need to understand that this is just part of a much larger issue. This post sums it up quite well from a standpoint that might get some traction with groups that don't normally agree with too many of us here on a lot of things.
          Read it.
          We have no more rights.

          The lone and level sands stretch far away. -Shelley

          by justme on Tue Dec 20, 2005 at 03:40:59 PM PDT

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          •  Agreed (none / 1)

            That is the point we need to make in order to get through to these people.
          •  Brilliant. (n/t) (none / 0)

            Are we still routinely torturing helpless prisoners, and if so, does it feel right that we as American citizens are not outraged by the practice? -Al Gore

            by soyinkafan on Tue Dec 20, 2005 at 06:04:04 PM PDT

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          •  the suspension of Habeas Corpus (none / 1)

            as evidenced by Padilla and Hamdi was where we lost our most precious rights, but I think that people could rationalize it by thinking they were bad people. However it seems extremely unlikely to me that either one was really a threat to Americans.  Since Hamdi supposedly fought against American troops in Afghanistan, it seems like there are crimes for which he could be convicted.  Padilla's situation is probably more cut and dried, I doubt they have a case worth talking prosecuting.  

            In either case, the Bush administration doesn't trust an American jury to do the right thing, or else they know they have nothing to prosecute.  I'm not sure which is more offensive, but what is offensive is that they choose to ignore the constitution.

        •  How many are personally affected? (none / 0)

          If it turns out that what we're really talking about is a massive data mining program--like Carnivore or Echelon, but bigger, more state-of-the-art and more invasive--the list of targets could include most Americans.

          Think about it. How many Americans have visited made overseas calls or engaged in electronic communications with other countries? At first, folks might assume this covers only Arabs e-mailing Riyadh. In fact, it might include senior couples booking anniversary trips to England...right-wing bloggers checking up on Al Jezeera...bank customers transferred to call centers in Bangalore...who knows?

          The panic suggests the net was cast very broadly indeed. If it weren't, they'd be rushing to leak the identities of the targets, whether the revelations compromised security or not.

          •  RE: how many people? (none / 1)

            NYT says that under the program, the NSA spied on "up to 500 people at a time"... at a time. there could have been several batches of people [tinfoil hat firmly on]

            the bolton numbers are 10,000...

            i doubt we'll ever know the names or exact numbers though... the WH certainly isn't going to give them away, and if there's an investigation with suppeona power, they'll probably fight and say that the people on the list are terrorists, and that revealing their names would give them away or some such. anyways, this is all just speculation at this point, we're going to have to wait until an actual comittee is formed to investigate this scandal. which i suspect it will be.
          •  Panopticon (none / 1)

            This is the core issue.  Reading between the lines of the Rockefeller letter, it is clear that this program was a substitute for Poindexter's TIA.  EVERYBODY was a possible target.  No international communication is immune - email, letter, phone, telex, fax...

            We are all under suspicion and any expectation of privacy is a pipe dream.

            Solar is civil defense. Video of my small scale solar experiments at http://solarray.blogspot.com/2006/03/solar-video.html

            by gmoke on Tue Dec 20, 2005 at 05:56:16 PM PDT

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          •  Really interesting question (none / 0)

            I'm not a conspiracy theorist but if you look at the mundane details of my life in a new light, I believe I could easily have been spied on:  I'm a leftwing activist in a leftwing city who calls a Central American country with a leftwing president at least once a month to talk to my dad who is a former highly placed government official (now retired).  Oh, and I've posted highly critical remarks about the current administration.

            What happens if every Kossack files an FOIA request with FISA?  I mean beyond overwhelming the agency. Would we be surprised that they've spied on bloggers?

            NetrootNews coming soon!

            by ksh01 on Tue Dec 20, 2005 at 07:25:00 PM PDT

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            •  While this may be true (4.00 / 2)

              it presumes two things:

              that Bush actually cares about protecting America against terrorists, or amwerican lives in danger and two and that they would do something to stop it.

              Now one word: Katrina.

              Katrina proved to me beyond a shadow of a doubt that these people do not care one whit about the lives of innocent Americans. What thwey do care about however is power.

              Unrestrained, unending perpetual power.

              Who are their political enemies?
              Who's lives do they care most about saving?

              Their political enemies are the targets of their little secret operation. They lives they are hell bent on saving are their own.

              Anyone else they tap into without oversight is just for the fucking fun of it.

              I've never felt so sure of anything in my life. These people have proved their incompetency in all things except one: politics.

              •  A subtext (none / 0)

                I haven't seen it put that way....of course many people must get that on some level.  Katrina did show that this government doesn't care about Americans, so why bother to protect us.  It's about perpetuation of power.

                NetrootNews coming soon!

                by ksh01 on Tue Dec 20, 2005 at 08:08:23 PM PDT

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              •  Too simple (none / 0)

                They care about SOME Americans - those that will vote for them.  Poor African Americans in metropolitan New Orleans aren't exactly the Republican "base".

                Hence we get to watch this doofus play guitar while people are looting for drinkable water and dodging gunfire.

        •  Look we can trust Bush (none / 0)

          I know I went to elementary school
          with him.

          (ok, I admit I am a shameless blog whore)

      •  They Felt Invincible (4.00 / 13)

        Because they had controlled the News Cycle for so long.

        But now, as I've argued elsewhere, the 2005 Year in Review media blitz which begins next Monday is all about the many ways they've fucked up, the 2006 Year to Come media blitz is about all the challenges they face, and the beginning of 2006 itself is all about the heat bill, the holiday bill, the slump in retail holiday spending, the lack of overall job growth, reductions in benefits and then....oh shit....it's time to file taxes and more people than ever before will be hit with the Alternative Minimum Tax.

        Then it's election time. Then it's multiple impeachment time.

        There's no surviving this short of martial law. And martial law won't wash. Trust me. Nixon called me last night and said that even he wasn't in nearly this deep, and none of these guys have gotten any smarter since they worked for him.

        The only trick is keeping our heads from exploding while what we knew all along becomes apparent to 75% of the American people.

      •  maybe that's because... (none / 1)

        I am very curious as to why the talking points haven't been fully developed when the story broke.  They had so much time to work this out, and the only things they come up with are the "honey, I'm beating you for your own good" lines.

        Well, if you think about it, there ARE no good talking points on this one. There seldom are when you are defending the completely indefensible. So, you are left with what you have, and they are using it to the best of their ability. Not that it will be enough.

        •  I must agree.... (4.00 / 2)

          But that never stopped them before.  They could divert, create a new crisis that doesn't affect them.  They could simply shut up (arguably that would wind up being much worse....)  

          But to launch Bush into tirades about how necessary it is for him to break the law to protect us is simply baffling!

          To have Gonzales making a claim that Congress gave him the power without actually stating any sort of relevant passage (because there isn't) is just plain weird for a lawyer.

          To have Condi claim that Gonzales is the top legal authority in the land is just plain stupid!

          Maybe these are just anti-logic bombs to just confuse us into submission.

          Really, WWFSMD?

          by sp0t on Tue Dec 20, 2005 at 04:41:15 PM PDT

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      •  How does he say this stuff? (none / 1)

        <quote>"I am the President, and I can do what I want to keep you safe!"  

        What lawyer would ever let his client say such a thing?!!?<quote>

        "Silly plebian!  What makes you think I listen to lawyers?  Lawyers are irrelevant.  I live the law.  I breathe the law.  I swore to uphold the law.  I /am the law!  I am the Commander-in-Chief!  What that means is, I get to command people about what the law means. It's hard work.  But I have to do it, for your own good."

        "Mom, did you hurt yourself, or are you yelling at the TV again?

        by litigatormom on Tue Dec 20, 2005 at 05:29:32 PM PDT

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      •  What cracks me up (4.00 / 2)

        is that some right-wing spinmeister tried this one out today: "every time the Dems go up against Bush on issues of national security, they lose.  So they really should just drop this one for their own good."

        Really, how stupid do they think the American people are?

        I honor John McCain's military service to our country (but I have no intention of voting for him)

        by frsbdg on Tue Dec 20, 2005 at 05:33:04 PM PDT

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      •  Well, it seems to be (none / 0)

        working on his poll numbers!!!

        Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities-Voltaire

        by hairspray on Tue Dec 20, 2005 at 06:01:57 PM PDT

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      •  Intent is actually central (none / 0)

        to the criminal law.  Which is why so many smart criminals beat the rap.  Intent is very hard to prove.
        The problem the President has is that what he's confronting is the failure to carry out (execute) the laws of the land.  The corrective for that is impeachment and removal from office, not going to jail.
        Of course, the commission of a crime would be, ipso facto, a failure to perform up to snuff, but the failure to perform one's duty is not necessarily a crime.

        How do you tell a predator from a protector? The predator will eat you sooner rather than later.

        by hannah on Wed Dec 21, 2005 at 03:11:58 AM PDT

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    •  CNN (none / 1)

      I wish they would make the Bolton connection on CNN or MSNBC. Haven't heard anybody do it. If they get Larry Johnson on as a commentator, he'll do it.

      "Why can't you and the idea of separation of powers just hug it out, bitch?" Wonkette

      by Hollywood Liberal on Tue Dec 20, 2005 at 03:10:31 PM PDT

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    •  What scared me was... (none / 0)

      ... that the damn plane crash in Miami yesterday was going to wipe this off the table. So glad to see this is exploding!

      Either you're wit' us or a Guinness -- Brilliant!

      by Unforgiven on Tue Dec 20, 2005 at 04:36:06 PM PDT

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      •  *Tin Foil Alert* (none / 0)

        A little help from some Cubans? Say hello to my l'il fren
      •  Missing C4 explosive scares me (none / 0)


        Hundreds Of Pounds of Explosives Missing In New Mexico
        $50,000 Reward Offered For Information That Could Recover C-4, Blasting Caps

        POSTED: 7:58 pm MST December 19, 2005
        UPDATED: 8:04 pm MST December 19, 2005

        Authorities asked the public for help Monday after "several hundred pounds" of high explosives turned up missing from a private storage site, along with about 2,500 blasting caps and an undisclosed length of explosive detonation cord.

        "In the hands of the wrong person, this material can be very, very destructive," Bernalillo County Sheriff Darren White said during a news conference.
        ...

        http://www.thedenverchannel.com/...

        That could blow up a large building. It would be real convenient politically for Bush if there were some terrorist attacks right now. Not that he would ever want that to happen...

        •  isn't the wiretapping keeping us safe? (none / 1)

          of course, all this attention means that illegal wiretapping stopped over the weekend, and you know how volatile those terrorists can be.  If they know they are only being wiretapped legally with a 72 hour limit before paperwork has to be filed with a FISA court, the sky's the limit, terror-wise.
        •  The very first thing I thought. . . (none / 0)

          . . .of after hearing about the missing C-4 was a politically-convenient false flag attack.  This is not tin-foil paranoia.  Bushco is capable of anything, no matter how heinous.  What better way to squash all this nonsense about constitutional rights than to point smugly at an ugly "terrorist" event and start hammering home the I-told-you-so theme?

          The time is now. Damn it, the time is ALWAYS now!

          by PrairieCorrespondent on Tue Dec 20, 2005 at 09:47:58 PM PDT

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        •  I'm not so sure about that (none / 0)

          It would be real convenient politically for Bush if there were some terrorist attacks right now.

          I'm not so sure about that.  While people may react like they did after 9/11 and run to Bush for security, they might also viciously turn on him for failing to provide the protection he continually claims to be providing.  The mob can be unpredictable.

          "All progress depends on the unreasonable man." -- George Bernard Shaw

          by Bearpaw on Wed Dec 21, 2005 at 07:39:40 AM PDT

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    •  Goin home to check (none / 0)

      The Dems can take the holiday break to go home and come back saying their constituents are outraged and so are they. Storm's a-brewin and this time it won't blow over.

      Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? (Who will watch the watchers?)

      by The Crusty Bunker on Tue Dec 20, 2005 at 11:16:28 PM PDT

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  •  Bush actually said (none / 1)

    "dozens of times," not "a dozen times."

    Today's Special: Chickenhawk, slow-baked in its mother's basement.

    by Earl on Tue Dec 20, 2005 at 02:09:29 PM PDT

    •  thanks (4.00 / 3)

      for the clarification. i'll change that :)
      •  Also, for clarity, surveillance, not JUST wiretaps (4.00 / 4)

        This is an important distinction. Bush may have used phone types and phone numbers in his example to folksy down what he was doing, but phrases like "similar surveillance" and [domestic and overseas] "transmissions" cover almost the entirety of electronic communication: fax, email, text messaging, voicemail answering machine tapes, postage machine use, and on and on.
        .
        Also, wiretaps suggest a human being listening in rather than an electronic mass-harvester collecting personal data from people and having no discernment, eg, "oops, looks like we overstepped our bounds spying on Mr. and Mrs. Normal in Anytown when we picked up that conversation with their family doctor."
        .
        In other words, massive harvesting has no brakes -- it's a privacy sucking Roomba.
        .
        •  This would fit my hypothesis (none / 0)

          that the NAS exercise was simply a dry run for a system of surveillance which will eventually be handed over to the private sector to assist in maintaining control of the financial, industrial espionage and information technology sectors of the global economy.
          The "war on terror" is just a smoke screen for setting up multiple redundant electronic monitoring networks from which to rule the American Empire.
          When people have such grand ambitions it's hard for them to take individuals' concern for their privacy seriously.  The individual right to privacy isn't something they even think about.  So, of course, they have no talking points.

          Think of a sperm whale being asked to consider the interests of a bit of plankton.

          How do you tell a predator from a protector? The predator will eat you sooner rather than later.

          by hannah on Wed Dec 21, 2005 at 03:21:03 AM PDT

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      •  Jim Lehrer interview (none / 0)

        transcript

        Worth a read if you missed it.

        "They're telling us something we don't understand"
        General Charles de Gaulle, Mai '68

        by subtropolis on Tue Dec 20, 2005 at 10:46:50 PM PDT

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      •  I believe (none / 0)

        he mentioned X number of times he authorized it, but appears each authorization has a 45-day running period, so essentially that extends for just about from 9/11 to the present time (something just short of 4 years).  

        (From what I'm reading, it appears their strategy has become that they plan to have this all go to the Supreme Court, where (once Alito is ensconced) prior decisions limiting presidential authority will be reversed.)

  •  Cafferty (4.00 / 3)

    On the situation room Cafferty said the majority of messengers thing Bush broke the law and should be impeached.
  •  good summary (none / 0)

    thanks
  •  Incoherent WH Line on This. (4.00 / 7)

    Glenn Greenwald has interesting things to say on White House incoherence regarding its lawless surveillance
    .

    The influence of the [executive] has increased, is increasing, and ought to be diminished.

    by lysias on Tue Dec 20, 2005 at 02:18:37 PM PDT

  •  Good post (4.00 / 4)

    My own guess is that NYT ran the story when they did because they might have wanted to break it, before Risen's book came out, which undoubtedly has further details. Or, Risen could have kept the story in bed, until the perfect time to publish it came- as close to his book's publication as possible, in order to maximize press coverage. Either way, the story's publication so close to his book publication date is likely no accident.

    And either way the NYT was not making a principled decision.  The Bush administration is/was fully prepared to argue that this needed to stay secret forever.  It seems highly unlikely that their ability to make an argument in favor of that changed at all, over the YEAR that the NYT sat on the story.  It seems to me that the NYT was all too willing to give up what ever principles that they had in sitting on the story, in favor of the attention they would gather by breaking the story.  Total bullshit.

  •  Video of Bush (4.00 / 7)

    Empire Burlesque and Canofun Present

    Bush Caught- a video. It's so nice to see him utter these words. Edited with footage of his recent defense of wire tapping without court order. It's also available for download in .wmv format on the page.

    Now, by the way, any time you hear the United States government talking about wiretap, it requires-a wiretap requires a court order. Nothing has changed, by the way. When we're talking about chasing down terrorists, we're talking about getting a court order before we do so. It's important for our fellow citizens to understand, when you think Patriot Act, constitutional guarantees are in place when it comes to doing what is necessary to protect our homeland, because we value the Constitution.

    - George Bush - April 2004

    To see the video - click here.
  •  waste of time (4.00 / 6)

    It's clear that this administration has engaged every possible agency, from the Pentagon to N.S.A. to the F.B.I., to engage in spying on Americans," said Ann Beeson, associate legal director for the A.C.L.U.
    "You look at these documents," Ms. Beeson said, "and you think, wow, we have really returned to the days of J. Edgar Hoover, when you see in F.B.I. files that they're talking about a group like the Catholic Workers league as having a communist ideology."
    [...]
    "It's shocking and it's outrageous," Mr. Kerr said. "And to me, it's an abuse of power by the F.B.I. when groups like Greenpeace and PETA are basically being punished for their social activism"

    Can I just mention what a collossal waste of time all this is, by the way? What a waste of scarce resources when there are so many REAL risks and threats out there that the FBI should be focusing on.  It's so absurd that they are risking the integrity of our constitution so they can follow around a bunch of vegans and catholic activists. This whole thing is not just insidious, it's PURE INCOMPETENCE.

    By the way, is there evidence that they did anything beside surveil these groups? Any actual damage? Disruption? Harrassment? I'm fairly certain I was surveiled in the '80s and late '90s during my Central American activism days, but mostly it was a big joke to us since no disruption actually happened.

    •  well... (4.00 / 2)

      we know that Tom DeLay tried to track Democratic Texas senators with Homeland Security resources to help his own party stay in power (Homeland Security was unable to help him in this case, but not from lack of trying).

      Domestic spying and tracking can affect things.

    •  You are ascribing compitence and the willingness.. (4.00 / 3)

      To actually protect the American People to this administration.  I believe that is a false hope.  When you boil down what this administration is really about:

      • Maintaining power.
      • Making money for themselves and their benefactors.
      • Squelching descent.
      • Spreading fear in the populace so nobody questions them and in fact they scream for more protection.
      • Providing distractions to their `base' (gay marriage, abortion, etc.) while fattening the bottom like of their `real base.'

      You take these principals and apply them to your above statement and you see that they actually very efficient in using these resources.

      'Part of what makes America so beautiful is that there is no such thing as someone who looks like an American' - Barack Obama

      by RichM on Tue Dec 20, 2005 at 03:04:44 PM PDT

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    •  It's Not a Waste of Time (4.00 / 2)

      --to them. It's their core purpose. They've been promising publicly to carry out this agenda and their demolition of liberalism generally since FDR.

      We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

      by Gooserock on Tue Dec 20, 2005 at 03:05:09 PM PDT

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    •  Good point.... (none / 0)

      We are having murders here across state borders.  FBI could help out!

      You shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you mad. Aldous Huxley

      by murrayewv on Tue Dec 20, 2005 at 07:29:56 PM PDT

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    •  I agree (none / 0)

      I have been on the mailing lists of the Catholic Wokker for over 25 years, and I would love to see any attempt to defame that group as contributing to the downfall of the Bush Administration.  The CW are fervently nonviolent people who spend their time feeding the hungry and housing the homeless.  Dorothy Day, the founder (since deceased), was one of my great heroes as a youth.  I cannot believe that they would be in any away harrassed by our government;  it just sickens and disguts me.

      "I have never made but one prayer to God, a very short one: 'O Lord, make my enemies ridiculous.' And God granted it." -- Voltaire

      by WaitingForLefty on Tue Dec 20, 2005 at 11:45:00 PM PDT

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  •  Bolton hearings belong in the timeline (4.00 / 9)

    Don't forget about the Bolton hearings.


    "During the Bolton hearings, however, it emerged that when he was at the State Department, Bolton on several occasions received summaries of intercepts between foreigners and "U.S. persons" and requested that the spy agency tell him who those Americans were. The agency complied.

    Following this revelation, Newsweek discovered that from January 2004 to May 2005, the National Security Agency had supplied names of 10,000 American citizens in this informal fashion to policy makers, intelligence services and law enforcement agencies.

    Democrats took advantage of Bolton's transgression in the nomination battle, playing up his reputation as a sharp-elbowed brute and implying that he might have used the intercepts to intimidate Washington adversaries. Bolton, for his part, told Congress that he asked the spy agency for the names in order "to better understand" summaries of intercepted conversations: "It's important to find out who is saying what to whom.


    "Why can't you and the idea of separation of powers just hug it out, bitch?" Wonkette

    by Hollywood Liberal on Tue Dec 20, 2005 at 02:30:31 PM PDT

  •  Interesting numbers (none / 1)

    from the whistleblowing NYT article Dec. 16.  NSA eavesdrops without warrants on up to 500 people in the United States at any given time.

    While many details about the program remain secret, officials familiar with it say the N.S.A. eavesdrops without warrants on up to 500 people in the United States at any given time. The list changes as some names are added and others dropped, so the number monitored in this country may have reached into the thousands since the program began, several officials said. Overseas, about 5,000 to 7,000 people suspected of terrorist ties are monitored at one time, according to those officials.

    •  difference in numbers (none / 0)

      Note that in the Bolton hearings, the number of AMERICANS being discussed:

      the National Security Agency had supplied names of 10,000 American citizens in this informal fashion to policy makers, intelligence services and law enforcement agencies.

      but not in reference to warrantless surveillance, necessarily.

      "Why can't you and the idea of separation of powers just hug it out, bitch?" Wonkette

      by Hollywood Liberal on Tue Dec 20, 2005 at 03:07:12 PM PDT

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    •  Each one is a civil suit in waiting (none / 0)

      Impeachment or no, the political, legal and financial exposure to those involved is enormous--except for Bush whose only fear is impeachment.

      If a president himself illegally authorizes illegal acts is he competent to provide pardons for those carrying out the acts? As I recall, Reagan supposedly was in the dark on Iran-Contra, or that was the story he stuck to.

      My God, he's stuck his foot in it right up to the hip this time.

      Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? (Who will watch the watchers?)

      by The Crusty Bunker on Tue Dec 20, 2005 at 11:22:06 PM PDT

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  •  Great breakdown (none / 1)

    of the sequence of events. Those of us who are visual spacial need numbers and bullet points so we can remember.

    One thing though, you need to close your < /blockquote > tag on your last quote.

  •  Great summary, but... (4.00 / 4)

    No proof of this yet, but a gut feeling that Asscroft was up to no good well before 9/11.  I'll eat my keyboard if he didn't have some sort of Enemies List of Democrats, activists, pornographers and reporters already in place, with early examples of illegal shenanigans already in place.

    9/11 may have accelerated this trend, but I'll bet you my laptop that Bush's crew picked up where Nixon left off on January 21, 2001.

    Hanoi didn't break John McCain, but Washington did.

    by Dallasdoc on Tue Dec 20, 2005 at 02:51:55 PM PDT

  •  data mining (4.00 / 5)

    I'm with Ezra Klein and loads of others in thinking that this was a massive data mining operation, in which hosts of phone calls, emails, etc. were intercepted and randomly analyzed, perhaps through a computer program, for keywords, patterns, and particular phrases.  The technology exists to do this quickly and quietly.  Here's Ezra's reaction:

    In that way, they are spying domestically, but the untargeted nature of the program makes the very concept of a warrant meaningless.

    That doesn't mean they don't need a law. America is not ruled by executive whim, instinct, or fiat. If the post-9/11 moment compelled Bush to immediately authorize this program, the intervening four years offered him plenty of time to seek statutory authority for it. His lame protestations that codifying the operation would tip terrorists off to our fishing expeditions are irrelevant -- that same argument militates against reauthorization of the PATRIOT Act (why let them know the "wall" is down?) and passage of the intelligence bills. Terrorist elements already have a hunch we're monitoring them; shredding our government's checks and balances is too high a price for such a low reward.

    What is needed is a redefining of the law.  I think the technological angle will be played up in the coming weeks, as it is becoming clear that the other excuses are falling flat.  But we should all realize that what this "change in technology" is, in effect, is a massive, unencumbered data mining operation without respect for citizenship or privacy.

    D-Day, the newest blog on the internet (at the moment of its launch)

    by dday on Tue Dec 20, 2005 at 02:52:19 PM PDT

    •  poindexter reincarnate (4.00 / 2)

      from http://www.politechbot.com/... regarding Transcript of Pentagon briefing on Poindexter's "TIA" program:


      My statement goes along the following: The war on terror and the
      tracking of potential terrorists and terrorist acts require that we
      search for clues of such activities in a mass of data. It's kind of a
      signal-to-noise ratio. What are they doing in all these things that
      are going on around the world? And we decided that new capabilities
      and new technologies are required to accomplish that task. Therefore,
      we established a project within DARPA, the Defense Advanced Research
      Project Agency, that would develop an experimental prototype --
      underline, experimental prototype, which we call the Total Information
      Awareness System. The purpose of TIA would be to determine the
      feasibility of searching vast quantities of data to determine links
      and patterns indicative of terrorist activities.

      John McCain - 894/899 of his graduating class at Annapolis.

      by sedrunsic on Tue Dec 20, 2005 at 03:09:12 PM PDT

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      •  Here's Poindexter's old operation (4.00 / 3)

        The TIA homepage, scroll down a bit and read the vision statement. Here is a schematic diagram of the TIA system. While TIA got shut down by Congress, it obviously lives on in other forms (CIFA?).

        •  meawhile: (none / 1)

          There are three parts to the TIA project to aid in this anti-
          terrorist effort. The first part is technologies that would permit
          rapid language translation, such as you -- as we have used on the
          computers now, we can -- there's voice recognition capabilities that
          exist on existing computers.

          The second part was discovery of connections between transactions --
          such as passports; visas; work permits; driver's license; credit card;
          airline tickets; rental cars; gun purchases; chemical purchases -- and
          events -- such as arrest or suspicious activities and so forth. So
          again, it try to discover the connections between these things called
          transactions.

          And the third part was a collaborative reasoning-and-decision- making
          tools to allow interagency communications and analysis. In other
          words, what kind of decision tools would permit the analysts to work
          together in an interagency community?

          John McCain - 894/899 of his graduating class at Annapolis.

          by sedrunsic on Tue Dec 20, 2005 at 03:31:09 PM PDT

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      •  TIA was outsourced - bypassing US privacy laws (4.00 / 9)

        Bahamas Firm Screens Personal Data To Assess Risk Operation Avoids U.S. Privacy Rules

        2004

        Ben H. Bell III's employer, the Bahamas-based Global Information Group Ltd., intends to amass large databases of international records and analyze them in the coming years for corporations, government agencies and other information services.

        One of the first customers is information giant LexisNexis Group, one of the main contractors on the government system that was known until recently as the second generation of the Computer Assisted Passenger Pre-screening Program, or CAPPS II. The program is now known as Secure Flight.""

        So, along with the ChoicePoint's of the world, the information is vacuumed up and sieved through this offshore company where the NSA boys can either remotely access or go visit on company working-vacations.

        Your tax dollars at work.

        They can even lose your information, after all it isn't really YOUR information anyways the corporations all OWN YOU now. Get with the program, we're all slaves to the new paradigm.

        If you want to crack down on liberals just make sure they can't fly, can't use their credit cards--which are maxxed out due to the negative savings rate, outsource their jobs to India and China, and just to add insult to injury, hire only conservatives to populate the "new" NSA, FBI, CIA, etc. etc.

        <h3>Total Information Awareness Goes Offshore</h3>

        Robert O'Harrow Jr:

        It began as one of the Bush administration's most ambitious homeland security efforts, a passenger screening program designed to use commercial records, terrorist watch lists and computer software to assess millions of travelers and target those who might pose a threat.

        The system has cost almost $100 million. But it has not been turned on because it sparked protests from lawmakers and civil liberties advocates, who said it intruded too deeply into the lives of ordinary Americans. The Bush administration put off testing until after the election.

        Now the choreographer of that program, a former intelligence official named Ben H. Bell III, is taking his ideas to a private company offshore, where he and his colleagues plan to use some of the same concepts, technology and contractors to assess people for risk, outside the reach of U.S. regulators, according to documents and interviews.

        Bell's new employer, the Bahamas-based Global Information Group Ltd., intends to amass large databases of international records and analyze them in the coming years for corporations, government agencies and other information services. One of the first customers is information giant LexisNexis Group, one of the main contractors on the government system that was known until recently as the second generation of the Computer Assisted Passenger Pre-screening Program, or CAPPS II. The program is now known as Secure Flight.

    •  More like "data gill-netting" (4.00 / 4)

      Yesterday, kovie  posted a diary  on the importance of recognizing the emphasis Bush put on the distinction between "monitoring" and "detection" when it came to illegal monitoring of phone conversations.

      In essence, "monitoring" involves listening in on the phone conversations of specified individuals; "detecting" means listening to all conversations, in an effort to pick up keywords, etc. - i.e., data mining. Kovie's thesis was that the Bush administration could not possibly have gotten FISA approval to do what they wanted to do, because no individual would have been specified; instead, what Bush's snoops were doing was - literally - trolling for evidence of wrongdoing. (Understand, of course, that I am here giving them the benefit of the doubt, that they were in fact looking for signs of terrorist activity.)

      This thesis makes sense to me, given how much the Preznit kept stressing the point about "detect and prevent" yesterday. To wit, here are the SEVEN occasions during yesterday's "press conference" *cough, cough* when Bush used the word "detect":

      #1 and #2:

      After September the 11th, one question my administration had to answer was how, using the authorities I have, how do we effectively detect enemies hiding in our midst and prevent them from striking us again? We know that a two-minute phone conversation between somebody linked to al Qaeda here and an operative overseas could lead directly to the loss of thousands of lives. To save American lives, we must be able to act fast and to detect these conversations so we can prevent new attacks.

      #3, #4 and #5:

      right after September the 11th, I knew we were fighting a different kind of war. And so I asked people in my administration to analyze how best for me and our government to do the job people expect us to do, which is to detect and prevent a possible attack. That's what the American people want. We looked at the possible scenarios. And the people responsible for helping us protect and defend came forth with the current program, because it enables us to move faster and quicker. And that's important. We've got to be fast on our feet, quick to detect and prevent. We use FISA still -- you're referring to the FISA court in your question -- of course, we use FISAs. But FISA is for long-term monitoring. What is needed in order to protect the American people is the ability to move quickly to detect.

      #6:

      We will, under current law, if we have to. We will monitor those calls. And that's why there is a FISA law. We will apply for the right to do so. And there's a difference -- let me finish -- there is a difference between detecting so we can prevent, and monitoring. And it's important to know the distinction between the two.

      And, finally, #7:

      We used the process to monitor. But also, this is a different -- a different era, a different war, Stretch. So what we're -- people are changing phone numbers and phone calls, and they're moving quick. And we've got to be able to detect and prevent. I keep saying that, but this is a -- it requires quick action.

      So, what does all of this mean? It may mean simply that the reason Bush didn't go through the FISA court to get approvals for monitoring is that he wasn't going to do monitoring, he was going to do "detecting"; i.e., mass accumulation of data from many undefined sources, from which he hoped to glean information.

      In other words, on these fishing expeditions, they weren't using a pole - they were using a drift net. And, as with drift-netting, thousands of innocent Americans might have been swept up by this indiscriminate, but criminal, method.

      As nightfall does not come all at once, neither does oppression. - Justice William O. Douglas

      by occams hatchet on Tue Dec 20, 2005 at 03:42:24 PM PDT

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      •  From reading this, (none / 0)

        it would seem that terrorists comprise the usual suspects, and there is no need for data "gill netting," per se.

        Meaning good old fashioned intelligence gathering is more than sufficent to flush out potential threats to America, I would think.

        All that fishing, and all they turned up were a bunch of law-abiding Catholics?

        Bush and Cheney's and Ashcrofts actions seem a clear abuse of the technology, and the system.

        But, you know, the disclosure has led to discussion, and that's a good thing, the right thing to do to perserve our civil liberties in this age of emerging technologies.

        We are a free people, we have an inherent right to live our lives free of governement interference, forever.

        •  I agree that there's a positive (none / 0)

          Just like there is any time a light is shone on governmental secrecy.  Governments have difficulty distinguishing between legal and illegal is sources and methods when the intent is to uncover illegalities.  They need a refresher course, and we need this debate every few years or so to keep government secrecy in check.

          D-Day, the newest blog on the internet (at the moment of its launch)

          by dday on Tue Dec 20, 2005 at 04:33:09 PM PDT

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      •  Good use of analogy (4.00 / 3)

        And I suspect you are correct given the threads that have been coming up over at TPMcafe on this as well.

        What we have stumbled over was the NSA setting up a TIA-esque shop, which they could not get FISA approval for because of the nature of it, particularly after the FISA court rulings in '02, so then just went with it.

        THis also points to why First et all took the foot off the accelerator on the Bolton nomination then Bush pulling the recess appointment trigger. Because Bolton's intercept diving which was starting to come out in his scuttle confirmation hearings would have pulled the lid off.

        I have a suspicion that is how/when the NYT found what they did then sat on it (under the then shitty editorial management... not that it has improved much) because of the extra-legal shit that Bolton was getting into via the NSA shit.

        It is legally toxic, and now the fun will really begin as the real fight to keep Bush in office by the GOP begins since he clearly fucked the dog on this one.

        •  the volume excuse (none / 0)

          Former CIA official John McLaughlin is justifying this all by saying that the use of this new technology makes FISA impractical because it would require hundreds of applications, even retroactively, which cannot be handled efficiently and in a timely manner under FISA procedures. Or something along those lines.  Not a direct quote, I warn you. Not sure if Lehrer Report does transcripts.

          "Why can't you and the idea of separation of powers just hug it out, bitch?" Wonkette

          by Hollywood Liberal on Tue Dec 20, 2005 at 04:23:05 PM PDT

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  •  Now I understand a little more (4.00 / 3)

    why Roberts was put in the Chief Justice seat and why Bush tried to shoe in Harriet Miers.  

    He knew months ago that this was going to break and the issue would go before the Supreme Court.


    The religious fanatics didn't buy the republican party because it was virtuous, they bought it because it was for sale

    by nupstateny on Tue Dec 20, 2005 at 03:00:05 PM PDT

    •  not the supremes (none / 0)

      congress will weigh in on this.

      Wherefore do ye toil; is it not that ye may live and be happy? And if ye toil only that ye may toil more, when shall happiness find you?

      by keefer55 on Tue Dec 20, 2005 at 06:43:21 PM PDT

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      •  Supremes very important (none / 0)

        Watergate would have gone nowhere if Nixon hadn't lost cases that went to the SCOTUS.  If the Justices had been partisan republicans like they are now, this country would be very different.
      •  I believe it's going to the SCOTUS (none / 0)

        How effective has Congress been on ANYTHING, investigation wise, so far?

        Z-E-R-O  effectiveness.  Christ, we're still waiting on investigations that started years ago.  And the 9/11 commission was a fucking joke.

        There will be some type of criminal charge, or a civil suit, and then it will go to the SCOTUS.  Meanwhile, either Bush will relent under public pressure to cease and desist, or he'll force a (another!!) constitutional crisis.

        He must be close, by now, to holding the record.


        Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the War Room! - President Merkin Muffley

        by AlyoshaKaramazov on Wed Dec 21, 2005 at 05:37:36 AM PDT

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  •  Bush has a Messianic complex (4.00 / 2)

    I'm relatively convinced that much of the motivation behind Bush's actions in this case can be tied to Bush's Messianic complex.  He really seems to believe that it is his calling to "save" America from evil, and little things like laws and rules should not get in his way.  This becomes most clear when we see how visibly angry he's becoming over these challenges to his authority.  How dare anyone tell the Savior that he must answer to earthly authorities in his campaign against the Devil?

    Yet it is not our part to master all the tides of the world, but to do what is in us for the succour of those years wherein we are set... -- Gandalf

    by dnta on Tue Dec 20, 2005 at 03:00:44 PM PDT

    •  Most of What's Being Done Has Nothing (4.00 / 3)

      to do with Bush.

      This isn't something that he invented and 99.999% of what's up against us doesn't go away or stop when he leaves.

      'Messianic' explains elements of his demeanor and communication but it doesn't explain the entirety of the military-industrial-intelligence complex that's involved in it one way or another.

      There probably aren't any easily defined borders around this activity.

      We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

      by Gooserock on Tue Dec 20, 2005 at 03:11:54 PM PDT

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    •  Bush is the face of others... (4.00 / 2)

      He is a brand, if you will. "They" are using his messianic complex. While it is fun to have something to focus on, Bush couldn't find his ass with both hands.
  •  Revision for point 2 (none / 1)

    FYI, I recently updated my diary after a comment thread made clear the many/most of the violations happened during the Clinton administration.  However (as I said there), in my view this does little to change two of the main emphases of my diary, which wasn't just about the violations that led to the friction between the DoJ and the judges, but also about two things I see as more relevant to today:   (1) the fact that this friction (which, remember, was still present in 2002 with the Bush DoJ, otherwise why the extraordinary press release by the judges?) provides a motive for Bush's NSA activities, and (2) Congress was willing to work with him back then to make appropriate fixes to the procedure, yet he chose to take an extra-legal route intead.

    So, regarding your point 2, the main point is that there was friction between the DoJ and the judges that gave Bush the motive.

    Social advance depends as much upon the process through which it is secured as upon the result itself. --Jane Addams

    by shock on Tue Dec 20, 2005 at 03:02:40 PM PDT

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