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VA: Gay adoption ban KILLED, Cameron savaged.

Thu Feb 17, 2005 at 09:10:34 AM PDT

This is really good news. Several wingnuts in the VA house wanted a ban on gay adoption and foster care that went even further than Florida's laws. After a key house committee balked at the wide scope of the ban, the bill was amended to "merely" state that social workers should check to see whether or not a foster or adoptive parent is gay before allowing them to have a child.
The state senate's Courts of Justice Committee  was not pleased at this legislation.

"This thing comes awfully close to being pretty bigoted, so I can't support it," said Sen. Richard Saslaw (D-Fairfax).
Hardly had Black started his presentation during a Courts of Justice Committee hearing when Sen. Kenneth Stolle, R-Virginia Beach, demanded to know why the bill was needed. State law, he noted, already requires an investigation and evaluation of the "moral suitability" of a prospective parent, which includes sexual orientation.
Black listed a string of reasons why he thinks gays and lesbians are unfit to adopt children, including a supposed high rate of suicide, drug use, child abuse and depression.

"It is my belief that homosexuality presents a degree of risk. We want an adoptive child in the place where they have the best chance to flourish," Black said.

Sen. Janet Howell, D-Fairfax, pounced.

Are you saying depressed people shouldn't be allowed to adopt? she asked.

"Yes," Black responded.

Do you know how many straight people are clinically depressed?

"I would imagine lots," he responded.

The fundies also seem to have [http://www.dailypress.com/news/local/dp-68121sy0feb17,0,662035.story?coll=dp-news-local-final erred] with their choice of "Dr." Paul Cameron as the chief speaker for this legislation. Cameron goes around all over the country bashing gays (even though rumor has it he spends his free time trolling gay bars) and his "research" is used by many anti-gay organizations, even though it has been debunked countless times. Apparently this time his bag of tricks was dumped on his big fat repressed head.

The author of that study, Paul Cameron, who bills himself as a sociologist, also told the committee that gays and lesbians are more likely to die younger, most around age 50, and that's not good for any children they adopt.

On questioning, Cameron admitted his life-span analysis was based on reading the obituary pages of the Washington Blade, a gay and lesbian newspaper, and that his molestation statistics had been dismissed by some sociologists as scientifically suspect, based on numerous errors.

He also admitted, under harsh questioning by Howell, that he was kicked out of the American Psychological Association on ethics charges in 1983, and that in 1986 the American Sociological Association passed a resolution denying that Cameron was a sociologist and condemning his "consistent misrepresentation of sociological research."

"We're suspicious," Saslaw told Cameron. "Some of this stuff we've never heard of before today and if it was true it would be on the front page of every newspaper in the country, even the (conservative) Washington Times."

"This is by a guy we suspect goes around the country trying to stop gay adoption. Mr. Cameron doesn't have a whole lot of credibility," Saslaw added.

A few minutes later, the measure was defeated on a voice vote, with most senators loudly voting against it.

They killed the bill. The reason why this is good news is, aside from the obvious reasons, the media and the hate groups have claimed that the recent Supreme Court decision to avoid discussing Florida's gay adoption ban meant that tons of other states would feel free to push for bans (of course if the court HAD heard arguments, and eventually struck the ban down, the fundies would have said they needed to ban gay adoption because of "judicial tyranny"). That this ban failed in Virginia, which has one of the more right-wing legislatures, means it may be more likely to fail elsewhere, and will embolden moderate members of both parties to speak up.

For once, people from Virginia can be proud of their elected officials.

Do you think that most of the people who voted against this will survive their primaries, or general elections?

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  •  I'm really amazed (none / 0)

    It seemed like Virginia was really becoming one of the more dangerous places to be gay in the United States.  Looks like we got a reprieve, for now at least.  
    •  the VA constituational amendment (none / 0)

      referendum to ban single sex marriage cannot be held until 2006 but there is a legislation on the books that is pretty bad for the GBLT community.

      Of course some folks can be gay and can try to adopt and that issue has been around and they is an active case for VA on that

      Vote VA General Elect Nov 8th GOTV for DEMS is Critical for all close races!!!!

      by Ed in Reston on Thu Feb 17, 2005 at 09:18:56 AM PDT

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    •  Virginia is a mixed state (none / 0)

      Northern VA and the cities downstate all lean left but the rest of the state is reddest of reds.  What's been happening in the past few years is that some of the Republicans have gone so far into the wacko fringe that suburban Republicans feel the need to reign them in.  But progressives in the state need to work really hard to ensure that we win back seats lost in the 1990s to wackos or else bad bills will keep being proposed.
      •  Wackiest are suburbian Republicans (none / 0)

        Actually, I used to think this, too, but I'd disagree with your assessment now.  From what I've learned in the past year, the wackiest wingnuts are actually from the suburbs - two of the worst from right here in Northern Virginia.

        The leaders of the extremist wingnut brigade are Robert Marshall from Manassas/Prince William and Dick "Baby Pesticides" Black from Loudoun County.  I call them the Dynamic Duo of Discrimination.  They're not only the anti-gay standard bearers in the House, but they've also introduced some of the most anti-woman and anti-family legislation in the House for the past few sessions.

        I think the biggest problem is that the vast majority of people in these districts have no idea how extreme these men are.  Sure, they're Republican-leaning districts, but they're not crazy.  Dick Black calls contraceptives "baby pesticides" and hands out little plastic fetus dolls every year.  Robert Marshall wanted to make it a felony to give contraceptives to teenage rape victims.  They're way, way out of the mainstream of even average Virginia Republicans.  And it's up to us to expose their insanity this year.

        Unlike in years past, both of these guys actually have Democratic opponents this year (Bruce Roemmelt in Marshall's district, and David Poisson in Black's).  Marshall has had no opponent for a long time -- like 43 other Republicans in the House, he ran unopposed in 2003.  

        Many of us in Democracy for Virginia believe we can't be surprised that the Virginia House is as crazy as it is if we fail to run Democrats in nearly half the races, even many in Northern Virginia.  We're working to change that because we believe Democrats can do better.

        •  Do you think that (none / 0)

          they've garnered more negative attention after the past year, and their districts may be more disgusted by them, or do people still not know about all the ugly legislation they pass off?
          •  people in black's district (none / 0)

            eat that stuff up...or at least 55% of them do. Northern Virginia is a strange mix of conservative wackos and liberals.

            LOOK IT! I WROTE A COMMENT ON BIG ORANGE SEXY TIME!!!!

            by Mark Warner is God on Thu Feb 17, 2005 at 02:56:56 PM PDT

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          •  A combination (none / 0)

            I'd say there's been a fair amount of attention to some of the more extreme bills this year, but I'd still say that the vast majority of ordinary voters (who may not come out to vote in an off-year election) are not aware of some of the worst of the worst.

            True, Black won with 52% of the vote in his district in '03 against a strong, well-funded challenger.  It was actually by far one of the  most expensive House races in the State -- Black and his opponent each spent around $230,000, fully 10 times more than some other House races.  

            Two years ago, the word got out that he was a bit wacky regarding abortion -- the stories about him passing out pink plastic fetuses in the House got some coverage.  But still, many moderate Republicans just see that as quirky, yet harmless, pro-life stuff.  I strongly doubt that most of them know he opposes contraceptives, too.

            Most people, even in the most Democratic parts of the state, pay very little attention to state politics.  Our legislature only meets for 2 months every other year and one month on off-years, so there's a flurry of news and then silence for months.  We're going to have to work hard to keep the awareness level high over the summer and into the fall, long after these bills have gathered dust.

        •  Semantics I suppose.... (none / 0)

          Maybe because I live in an "inner suburb" I tend to think of Loudon County and Manassass as "ex-urbs". Those areas tend to be distinctly different voting-wise than the older suburbs.  I think those areas are possibly even a magnet for "white flight", ie voters scared of "diversity" and the liberalisms that comes with it.  Thus those areas have wackos whereas some of the true rural areas might have garden variety non-wacko Republicans.

          But as those 'bubs mature, I think the voters will tire of Black and Marshall's anticts.  At least I hope.  However, it's up to us to highlight the wackiness so that the sensible voters of Black and Marshall's districts can vote them out.

        •  Maura, you forgot (none / 0)

          Cuccinelli, right here in Blue Fairfax County. I'm sure he'd be dismayed not to have his name coupled with your duo.

          And then there's Lingamfelter in PW County. The most egregious, piggy-eyed, smug-faced arrogant right-winger you can imagine.

          This year we are going after Albo in a big way. That's okay by me, of course, but I wish we could get these two out first.

          •  yeah but (none / 0)

            Coochie isn't up for reelection this year.

            LOOK IT! I WROTE A COMMENT ON BIG ORANGE SEXY TIME!!!!

            by Mark Warner is God on Thu Feb 17, 2005 at 02:57:34 PM PDT

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          •  Opponent for Lingamfelter (none / 0)

            What a deliciously evocative description of Lingamfelter.  Do you know whether there's an opponent for him yet?  The Democrat who ran against him in '03 got 45% of the vote, and it was a relatively expensive race.  It's definitely one worth fighting, though, and it'll be important to have a downticket race in that district to help Kaine, too.  

            Cuccinelli we have to wait on for another 2 years.  But, boy, does he need to go.  (You're so right about him probably being jealous about not being featured more prominently as part of the Dynamic Duo.  Maybe he sees himself kinda like the Alfred to their Batman and Robin, Caped Crusaders of Legislative Hate Crime.)

            •  Haven't heard (none / 0)

              anything about possible contenders to Lingamfelter. We're all too focused on Werkheiser v. Albo here (just South of me.)And Kaine, of course.

              Some people are saying that Viola will emerge the victor after the primary for Lt. Governor. Seems unlikely to me, but...

  •  Damn activist legislators (none / 0)

    This sets a really bad example.  Pretty soon families around the country are going to collapse.

    Seriously,  although it may seem like a small victory, this along with the passage of recent legislation in Illinos tells me that the tide is turning.

    Gay marriage recognition may still be a ways in the future, unfortunately, but the times they are achanging, and not in the way the Right wing wants.

    Bush, so incompetent, he can't even do the wrong things right.

    by JAPA21 on Thu Feb 17, 2005 at 09:14:40 AM PDT

  •  Thanks for the good news (none / 0)

    very glad to hear this ban was, er, banned.
  •  Good news (none / 0)

    I can't answer your question since I don't know much at all about Virginia politics besides what I see people writing here or on other blogs. Nonetheless, this is fantastic news for the very reasons you point out. The way in which people stood up to the hate-machine shows that common sense approaches can still work to defeat the worst that they throw at us. Thanks for putting this out there.

    "The only thing we have to fear is fear itself." - FDR

    by Vitarai on Thu Feb 17, 2005 at 09:16:05 AM PDT

  •  If this... (none / 0)

    "is awfully close to being bigoted" I am afraid to imagine what it would take to cross that line in Saslaw's mind.  would the Klan have to be involved?

    I'm glad this bill gets put in the circular file that it rightly deserves, but it makes me wish politicians could trash obvious bullsh*t without being so politically tactful...  just say "this is utter crap and I am embarrassed that we even took the time to talk about it."

    •  Take what you can get (4.00 / 2)

      I didn't print out the full quote, but here it is:

      "This thing comes awfully close to being bigoted," said Sen. Richard Saslaw, D-Fairfax. "To simply shut it down on them simply for who they are ... just because they happen to be gay, doesn't make sense."

      These people stuck their necks out, Republicans and Democrats, to kill this legislation, even though it's an election year. And there have been some really tough, astonishing statements made recently by VA Dem legislators. I think it was Janet Howell or another female Dem who laid out a long comparison of the laws that Germany passed against Jews, whittling away their rights little by little, and the laws that Virginia was trying to pass against gays, whittling away their rights little by little. She said that even though she expected to get all sorts of hate mail and threats (instead she says she has gotten many supportive comments).

      •  It was Howell (none / 1)

        More here.

        --
         Sen. Janet D. Howell (D-Fairfax) recounted a recent visit to the Virginia Holocaust Museum in Richmond and an exhibit that showed Nazi concentration camp prisoners, forced to wear pink triangles on their dirty uniforms as a mark that they were gay.

        "In Virginia today, we do not require pink triangles," she said. "We stigmatize and marginalize people in other ways, as we go down a path that we do not know where it will end."
        --

        Sen. Mamie Locke also spoke out during the vote on the amendment to ban all benefits or protections for gay couples.

        --
        Sen. Mamie Locke, D-Hampton, said Virginia would be stigmatizing gays, just as Hitler stigmatized Jews in Germany before World War II.

        "It is xenophobia that led to the rise of Nazism in Germany and fascism in Italy," Locke said. "It is homophobia that brings us to this place in time today."
        --

        •  Allright (none / 0)

          I had a quick trigger finger today... I apologize to the VA legislators who were offended.  That's what I get for posting in a pissy mood.
          •  Nothing to feel bad about (none / 0)

            In most Southern states, and in many other non-Southern states, most legislative Dems are just as sniveling as you described (especially here in Georgia). I'm just glad that VA has enough of a split that the bill was killed, for this session at least.
    •  saslaw (none / 0)

      That's just the way we talk in Virginia.

      LOOK IT! I WROTE A COMMENT ON BIG ORANGE SEXY TIME!!!!

      by Mark Warner is God on Thu Feb 17, 2005 at 02:58:38 PM PDT

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  •  Awesome. (none / 0)

    The blurb about "Dr" Cameron drafting theories from Blade obituaries is priceless.

    It's a neighborly day in this beautywood. Relentless!

    by ablington on Thu Feb 17, 2005 at 09:18:27 AM PDT

  •  YEAH!!!! (none / 0)

    James, thanks for bringing this to our attention.  You have just made my friend and his partner very happy.  They live in VA and just got their adopted son.  Now if we can do something about allowing civil unions in VA, that would be awesome!
  •  Happy Happy Joy Joy (none / 0)

    Not only am I happy that the bill failed, but I'm glad to see an upbeat diary out of you James.

    Please don't be offended -  and yes, I know there are weighty things out there to worry us all silly, and good news seems in short supply - but it's nice to hear happiness creep into one of your postings.

    Oderint Dum Metuant.

    by Dunkerque on Thu Feb 17, 2005 at 09:32:07 AM PDT

  •  VA' s is not the only such legislation (none / 0)

    A bill to ban adoption by homosexuals was filed in Tennessee's General Assembly just two weeks ago, by Diane Black, a State Senator who is also a registered nurse (and RepubliChristian). She claims no personal animosity toward "them," but cites studies. Uglier still is the language defining "homosexual" in this bill. It is chillingly similar to Paragraph 175 of the 1935 German Criminal Code, adopted by the Reichstag to make homosexuality itself a crime.

    Thanks for the tip on Paul Cameron -- maybe it's the spike that will puncture this latest attempt to encode hatred and intolerance in the laws of Tennessee.

    Talk doesn't cook rice -- Chinese proverb

    by OldYellerDog on Thu Feb 17, 2005 at 09:51:09 AM PDT

    •  And TN has (none / 0)

      at least one chamber run by Democrats, yet they happily push all this hate legislation. And just like in Oklahoma, their reward for doing this is getting tossed out by voters in favor of Republicans, because the voters know there is zero difference between the parties.
  •  I keep saying (none / 0)

    that the State of Virginia is getting more Democratic because the population is increasingly in bigger cities.

    This is another example of how fluid the politics are in Virginia these days.  Things some people thought they would never see in their lifetime are comint true. We don't need any more Gilmore/Allen proteges.

    Lots more Dems in  local races will win in '06, and we will be that much further down the road.

    Congrats on a great diary, James. I felt qualified to speak on this because I live in the rural area of Virginia, whose population also continues to get younger and more implants from other states/areas.

    Recommended.

    Mark

  •  You scooped me (none / 0)

    I just posted my overview at Democracy for Virginia and was about to post it here when I saw you've already covered it.  It's so great to have some decent news to share, isn't it?

    I wouldn't see this as a sign of a great change among Virginia legislators, unfortunately.  It was a lucky confluence of having a few very brave, outspoken Democratic Senators like Janet Howell on the same committee, coupled with good opposition research on hateful Delegate Dick "Baby Pesticides" Black's star witness, which utterly discredited him and by extension discredited the whole bill.  These few victories this year, though, show us that increased public awareness, a few respectable, brave champions, and good research can make a big difference.

    There's no question that some of these Republican senators will be savaged by extremist right-wing groups.  It's more difficult to punish them, though, since the Courts of Justice Committee decided this on a voice vote, not a recorded vote, so they can't specifically pin down which Republicans voted to kill the bill.  Smart move by the committee, allowing them to do the right thing.

    •  Sorry (none / 0)

      The last good news on a gay legislative issue (Idaho) was scooped by someone else, so I wanted to go ahead and get this one out at a time of day when a few people would be here to read it. I know you worked hard on this and on the miscarriage law, and alerted people here to these ugly attempts to foster a nanny state.

      Janet Howell seems like a fantastic legislator. Is there any chance she might run for higher office?

      •  No apologies! (none / 0)

        I'm glad to be scooped by someone with good news, especially in a substantive diary rather than a one-liner!

        I'm not sure about Howell's aspirations for higher office.  We have some great Democratic women leaders in the Virginia Senate, and I for one would hate to lose any of them to another office, since they are so sorely needed in the Virginia Senate to balance out the utter insanity in the Virginia House this year.  

        These '05 races are going to be critical in Virginia, since our whole 100-seat House is up for grabs.  I really appreciate all you've done to help raise awareness of what's at stake in Virginia -- we'll really need some out-of-state support and resources this year as we try to take back some seats in the House.  Exposing the extremism of the Virginia House of Horrors (where 43 Republicans were unopposed in '03!) is key to this effort.

        •  Do you have any idea how many (none / 0)

          will be unopposed this year? I'm sure you'll keep us up to date in future diaries. As I've said way too many times, people here tend to ignore legislative elections, tend to not realize how crucial they are, how much policy is dictated by legislatures today. Thankfully you are very aware and very articulate.
          •  Not sure yet (none / 0)

            I'm going to be meeting with the director of recruiting for the House Democratic Caucus in a couple of weeks, and will have a better sense of the candidate recruiting situation in a month or so.  The stronger candidates are out and running already, but there is still time to mount a decent campaign in some districts.  The final deadline for primary candidates is mid-April, and the party can nominate candidates up 'till June 14.

            Democrats in Northern Virginia, myself included, are largely very guilty of ignoring state elections.  I'm not talking about loyal local party members; they're always working hard for these offices, and we have strong party organizations up here.  

            But there are many Democrats like me ('till this year!) who are tremendously well-informed and motivated about national elections and things going on in DC, but who would be hard pressed to name their state House delegate, much less know where she/he stands on issues.  There's a LOT of Democratic money and activity getting sucked into DC from Virginia; if we could harness just 10% of that this year it would make a huge difference.

        •  The difference in this bill (none / 0)

          was that it got a lot of publicity. These guys prefer to do things behind closed doors, under cover of darkness, tabling bills, moving them from committee to committee so nobody knows what the hell is going on.

          The best thing for Virginia would be to get our sessions and committee meetings televised, exposing the most ridiculous members for what they truly are. Seriously, if you could hear what some of these morons say, you'd never think we were living in the 21st Century. Publicity would make them straighten up and fly right or say bye-bye.  

        •  I only wish that a certain senator was up... (none / 0)

          for reelection! I hope and pray that the dems can be victorious in the fall and hold onto power through 2010 so that they can control redistricting.

          It really burned me up the other day -- my parents for whatever reason are on the GOP mailing lists.  They got a franked flyer from Tom Davis bragging about what he'd been up to and notice of town hall meetings at the end of this month.   Tell me this -- how effective could a congressman be if he has to cover territory from Falls Church to Bristow VA?

          I never got the mailing of course. Shouldn't franked mailings go to ALL constituents regardless of suppected party afiliation?

          •  Every constituent should get the mailing (none / 0)

            I didn't get mine the first year after redistricting, but I've received two this time around.

            I like to think he's become a bit more responsive (7 different twon meetings--well publicized) because he's just the teeniest bit worried. His CD went blue and there are several precincts where his nobody opponent actually won.

            Call his office to complain. 202-225-1492 or here in Fairfax, 703-916-9610, PW county: 703-590-4599

            Better yet, attend his town meeting. Ask him a tough question. The local press will be there.

            •  Oh I plan to attend! (none / 0)

              My house has been in Davis' district since the 1990 redistricting.  I moved in the house in fall 2003 and my parents are in the same zip code less than a mile away. You'd think if he used the 2004 voter roles that he'd know that registered voters live at my house.

              I'm planning on attending the one in Fairfax City. I already harrassed his wife regarding birth control at her town meeting, so now it's time to get Tom.  Now what to ask him about? Hmmmmm.

              FYI and yes it does glaringly point out how wacky his district is:

              # Saturday, February 26, 2005
              9:00 AM - 10:30 AM
              Belvedere Elementary School
              6540 Columbia Pike
              Falls Church

              11:00 AM - 12:30 PM
              Fairfax City Hall, Room 305
              10455 Armstrong Street
              Fairfax

              1:30 PM-3:00 PM
              Prince William County McCoart Building
              1 County Complex Court
              Prince William

              # Thursday, March 3, 2005
              7:30 PM - 9:00 PM
              Gunston Elementary School
              10100 Gunston Road
              Lorton

              # Saturday, March 5, 2005
              9:00 AM - 10:30 AM
              Vienna Town Hall
              127 Center Street South
              Vienna

              11:00 AM - 12:30 PM
              Fairview Elementary School
              5815 Ox Road
              Fairfax Station

              2:00 PM - 3:30 PM
              Marstellar Middle School
              14000 Sudley Manor Drive
              Bristow

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