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Blogs Don't Need Big Government

Thu Mar 10, 2005 at 10:29:34 AM PDT

(From the diaries. This looks good, except for the part where the Senator talks about "legitimate" bloggers and online journalists. How, and by whom, that is defined, ultimately, is crucial to whether such regulations truly protect bloggers -- kos)

This was posted earlier today at myDD.com

My kids often tease me about the time I pre-heated a toaster before putting some bread in to toast it.  I deny it.  I still maintain to this day that I DO know how to use a toaster, but I also admit to some not-so-brilliant moments with technology, if you can consider a toaster technology.  But, today, even my kids would have to pause to give me a pat on the back for this first ever "Russ Feingold Blog Post."  

I am enjoying reading many blogs, and am fascinated by their immediate reporting that is covering the important issues of the day. Many of the positive comments I have been lucky enough to read about my work relate to the fact that I was the only member of the U.S. Senate to oppose the USA PATRIOT Act.

That experience taught me a lot, but one thing I learned for certain is that millions of ordinary citizens support efforts to make sure the government doesn't try to take more power than it needs. Resisting overreaching by the federal government is appropriate and, yes, even patriotic.  I feel very strongly about this, and have made constitutional issues in general, and First Amendment issues in particular, one of the central focuses of my work in the U.S. Senate.

While the days of campus protests are not the same today as when I was in college, many people don't realize that campus protests are going on every day, all over the country, when thinking people, from all different states, generations, and ethnicities are drawn more and more to participate and exercise their First Amendment rights in an exciting venue:  the Internet in general and blogs in particular.

As one of the main authors of the McCain-Feingold campaign finance reform law, also known as BCRA, it is particularly difficult to hear the mistaken belief that the law was somehow an attack on our cherished First Amendment rights.  It is not.  The law was found to be constitutional and it accomplished what we wanted it to do without infringing on First Amendment rights: stopping Members of Congress from soliciting enormous campaign contributions from monied interests; and reducing the corrupting influence of big money donations.  Despite the naysayers, and despite shamefully poor and often deliberately harmful interpretations of this law by the agency charged with enforcing campaign finance law, the Federal Election Commission, McCain-Feingold worked in the 2004 election.

McCain-Feingold and the blogs both had a positive impact on the 2004 election and many people don't realize how similar their impact truly was.  Both the blogs and BCRA empowered average citizens.  By channeling the power of average citizens to speak out on the Internet, the blogs revitalized the political process last year.  In the same way, the power of small contributions was greatly increased by BCRA, and someone who could only send $5 or $50 to a political party has become a sought-after donor.  Many parts of BCRA were handled irresponsibly by the FEC, and bloggers are understandably concerned that some members of the FEC may again try to cause trouble by overreaching in the area of free speech on the Internet.

So while I generally agree with the recent decision from Judge Colleen Kollar-Kotelly requiring the FEC to redo its rules relating to political communication on the Internet, I am also concerned that the FEC will again create unnecessary concern and confusion.  Judge Kollar-Kotelly's decision was not a result of problems with BCRA.  It was a result of poorly drafted FEC regulations that were challenged in court.

The FEC must tread carefully in the area of political communications on the Internet.  Political news and commentary on the Internet are important, even vital, to our democracy, and becoming more so.  For starters, the FEC should provide adequate protection for legitimate online journalists.  Online journalists should be treated the same as other legitimate broadcast media, newspapers, etc. and, at this point, I don't see any reason why the FEC shouldn't include legitimate online journalists and bloggers in the "media exemption" rule.  

The definitions and rules relating to "coordinated activity" should be clarified, so legitimate bloggers and journalists alike don't have to worry about vague rules for legitimate activity.  Certainly linking to campaign websites, quoting from or republishing campaign materials and even providing a link for donations to a candidate, if done without compensation, should not cause a blogger to be deemed to have made a contribution to a campaign or trigger reporting requirements.  

Also, the FEC should generally exempt independent, unpaid political activity by bloggers on the Internet.  We must let this town square, which has added a significant dimension to our political process, continue to flourish.  When the FEC issues a proposal on this issue later this month, rest assured that I will be reviewing it carefully and offering detailed comments.

At a time in the country when we need free and open discourse, when the Senate is rubber stamping a bankruptcy bill which hurts those who have no power, when the country is involved in a war with no timetable for an exit strategy, we must be able to speak our minds without fear of recrimination from the government.

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  •  BRAVO! n/t (3.80 / 5)

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    by SanJoseLady on Thu Mar 10, 2005 at 10:10:41 AM PDT

  •  Right on, Senator! (4.00 / 2)

    Completely and totally agree. Well said!

    And, thank you for everything you're doing for us out there. You rock!

  •  Dear Senator Feingold, (3.95 / 21)

    We have few defenses against the rampant power grab by the monied elite.  Please remain one of them.
  •  Welcome, Senator! (none / 0)

    Glad to have you here!
  •  Feingold 2008 (3.83 / 6)

    You go, Senator!

    I'm glad I'm not George W. Bush, because George W. Bush is going to hell

    by Alna Dem on Thu Mar 10, 2005 at 10:14:09 AM PDT

    •  Amen (4.00 / 2)

      I've been ready to volunteer for Feingold 2008 for months now.  I'll slap Feingold stickers all over my Dean jacket and hit the streets.  Just tell me when and where, Senator, and I'm on it (and bringing friends).

      In the unlikely story that is America, there has never been anything false about hope.

      by kaelamantis on Thu Mar 10, 2005 at 10:26:40 AM PDT

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    •  I'd like to pile on to the... (none / 1)

      ..."Feingold for president" comments.

      Feingold is unique in that he is a true liberal, yet he doesn't annoy Middle America the way people like Boxer, Kennedy, or Kucinich sometimes do.  He isn't shrill-he is a soft spoken every man.  Plus, he is so clean and corruption-free he squeaks when he walks.  Even though he is a liberal, he is probably the strongest canidate in a general election for president amoungst the bunch of Democratic possibilities.  It will be impossibily hard to Swiftie him.  He's willing to stand up for what he believes in, even if he is all alone, as his Patriot Act vote shows.

      •  Feingold for Vice President??? (none / 1)

        Here's my reasoning.  The GOP keeps winning with VP candidates that come out fighting and rally the base.   Or in the case of Dan Quail, candidates that are even less qualified than the top of the ticket.

        Democrats have gone the opposite direction, always picking VPs that "balance" (i.e., water down) the ticket.  I, for one, used to think that was smart.  But the track record is ba-a-a-a-a-d.

        Actually, Russ would be a great POTUS, but on the off chance that the powers that be make the difficult...Feingold for VP!    

  •  Agreed Senator (3.66 / 3)

    Thank you for expressing this view. Since you are the named author of the law, along with Sen. McCain, who I understand has expressed himself similarly, it seems to me that this should carry persuasive weight with the FEC.

    Certainly Commissioner Weintraub appears to have the same view.

    Everybody dies alone.

    by Armando on Thu Mar 10, 2005 at 10:14:10 AM PDT

    •  Why do you say that? (none / 0)

      Maybe they'll consider what's in the Congressional record, but I don't see why they're bound to look at anything other than the plain meaning of the statute.
      •  You're right about your criticism, but (none / 0)

        "plain meaning of the statute" sounds a lot like Scalia to me.  And, unfortunately, it is not that simple.  The statute does not really deal with the question of blogs or related internet activity at all.

        -4.25, -7.28 I'm for the war, but I'm against our troops...

        by gmoney on Thu Mar 10, 2005 at 02:53:48 PM PDT

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  •  ...Thank you... (3.66 / 3)

    ...for your comments and your presence in this virtual town hall that is Dkos. Bravissimo, Senator Feingold! Now, put out a tip jar!

    You can lead a conservative to facts--but you can't make him think.

    by DelicateMonster on Thu Mar 10, 2005 at 10:14:42 AM PDT

  •  I have nothing else to say (4.00 / 2)

    But thank you sir!

    Experience The Tempest! "The problem with the French is they don't have a word for 'entrepreneur'"-GWB.

    by Revel on Thu Mar 10, 2005 at 10:15:33 AM PDT

  •  Welcome (none / 0)

    Senator.  Thank you for sharing your views regarding  Internet activism and its future.

    The Poorest of All Men is not the man without a cent but the man without a dream.

    by EMKennedyLucio on Thu Mar 10, 2005 at 10:16:24 AM PDT

  •  YOU ARE A GOLDEN GOD!! (3.83 / 6)

    Okay, now that that's out of the way...some questions (if you don't mind):

    1. Care to comment further on McConnell v FEC, specifically the involvement of outfits like the Southeastern Legal Foundation? My understanding is their legal counsel representing them in this case is "buckhead", the same person who "outed" the CBS documents as forgeries. Any thoughts on where the center-right and the hard-right is coming from on this?

    2. Is the FEC looking into the possible violation of campaign finance law by Talon News, specifically in Gannon/Guckert's admission that he coordinated with Thune to oust Daschle?

    Thanks for all the work you do, from a hard-core Feingold fan!

    "The revolution's just an ethical haircut away..." Billy Bragg

    by grannyhelen on Thu Mar 10, 2005 at 10:17:05 AM PDT

    •  Info on blogger "buckhead" (4.00 / 2)

      CBS News report on Harry W. MacDougald, aka "buckhead" here.

      "The revolution's just an ethical haircut away..." Billy Bragg

      by grannyhelen on Thu Mar 10, 2005 at 10:22:40 AM PDT

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    •  I'm sorry (3.83 / 6)

      But is this productive? I'm a big fan of Senator Feingold but I think by any objective standard, the McCain-Feingold legislation is an utter and complete failure. It has done more harm than good and he deserves to be respectfully called out on it. (I emphasize "respectfully")

      So will I be the only one to say what surely at least some are thinking: McCain-Feingold was a mistake. And blaming the FEC for misinterpreting the language is a cop out.

      Now, again, I admire Russ Feingold immensely. And I know he had the best of intentions with this legislation. But in the one area that really mattered, cleaning out the moneyed interests in our political process, it failed completely. And its ridiculous attempts to regulate political speech threatens the 1st Amendment and the grassroots' only weapon against such moneyed interest - however unintentionally.

      By far the biggest threat to our democracy is the permeation of special interests money in our political process. This corruption inevitably guarantees that our representatives will, for the most part, act on behalf of those with the money at the expense of the general population. This has resulted in the commonwealth being screwed repeatedly on such vital issues as healthcare, the environment, wages, and trade. Right down to our declining standard of living. Our government has simply stopped functioning for the majority of Americans. It has failed to solve one single problem that average Americans face every day.

      And on a side note, a most overlooked consequence of the corruption of money in politics is that, instead of having the most qualified, capable people seek and obtain office, we get the ones who are the most well-financed. This results in an over-abundance of dimly lit bulbs who's only accomplishments are they know what hand not to bite. You can call this the dimwit factor. Our president is a good example.

      So does anyone believe that McCain-Feingold changed any of this? Does anyone see any evidence whatsoever that our representatives, from either side of the aisle, are exhibiting a new allegiance to everyday Americans at the expense of the special interests as a result of McCain-Feingold?

      Of course not. The Bankruptcy Reform Act is clear evidence of that. A Kossak who ran for congress last year said she was told she needed $500,000 of her own money just to run, which was true. What does this say about the success of McCain-Feingold in restoring integrity to the process? And is blaming the FEC fair? Maybe a little. But the fact is, the FEC was a toothless, corrupt entity long before McCain-Feingold and suddenly expecting them to change because of new legislation is unrealistic.

      So you say, "OK, McCain-Feingold ain't perfect but it's at least an improvement, right? It did shift status to small donors right?"

      No. The problem here is that by passing legislation that addresses the problem, and yet fails to fix it, we have set back years any legislation initiative that will fix the problem. How much support are you gonna get for real campaign finance now that McCain-Feingold is law. None. It's a dead issue now. And the corrupting influence of money in our political process continues to thrive. It's true that small donors are more coveted and this is a good thing. But unfortunately, the problem is so fundamental, so foundational to our democracy, it can't be remedied with a patch. Either we allow bribery or we do not. There can be no "in between" on some things. And bribery of politicians is one of them. And yes, it is bribery. When you pay a public official and get favors in return, it's called bribery. Anyone who tells you this is not what's happening with our current system is just a liar. Plain and simple.

      So what's wrong with McCain-Feingold? Why didn't it work?

      Just like all legislation that is corrupted by the  moneyed interests, (I'm not saying Feingold is corrupt) McCain-Feingold failed to take on one of the most powerful moneyed interests of all: the media monopolies.

      Does it not bother anyone that we, the people, grant licenses to media companies to use the public airwaves, spectrum etc, and they turn around and charge us for practicing our democracy on that spectrum?

      We all balk at the runaway cost of doing democracy, and yet never follow the money far enough to see where it goes. It goes, in large part, to the grantees of our public airwaves, the media monopolies. So when you send a hundred dollars to your candidate of choice, feel comforted in knowing that most of that hundred is going to mega media conglomerates like Sinclair Broadcasing just so you can hear your favorite candidate talk to you for thirty seconds.

      I've studied campaign finance for almost twenty years. The Supreme Court really screwed us with Buckley v. Valeo. This absurd ruling designated money to a politician as speech. Where I come from, we call money to a politician bribery.

      But none the less, this greatly limits our options short of a constitutional amendment. But as my granny used to say, if you don't want mice in your kitchen, stop feeding them. As in, clean your house.

      Without a constitutional amendment, we could go a long way towards cleaning house just by making all that corrupting cash unnecessary. All we have to do is make it free to practice our democracy on our own public airwaves. The media monopolies would lose billions. They would get over it.

      And ultimately, the most obvious remedy is to finance the remaining expenditures of our elections with public funds. Way back in the late 80s I think, there was another CFR bill before the Senate, and Joe Biden, in a moment of lucidity, said something to the effect of, "lets be honest, the only solution is public financing of campaigns." Well, I agree. Let's be honest.

      McCain-Feingold is a bad law. It took the mice no time to navigate the maze of traps it sets, and did nothing to clean up the tasty crumbs that draw them out in the first place. Corruption runs like water. It will find any and every little crack to seep through. The overly complex, patchwork approach of McCain-Feingold has left gaping holes and worse, is already threatening to have the opposite effect of limiting speech that really is free, the internet, to the benefit of media monopolies, who charge the big bucks just to use their (our) microphones.

      McCain-Feingold is just another case where the corrupting influence of money in politics prevented us from solving the problem of the corrupting influence of money in politics. It's a catch 22 to try and raise the money to run for office on a campaign finance reform platform. But McCain-Feingold eliminated that little quandary for another twenty years.

      So with all due respect, instead of defending this turkey of a law, shouldn't we begin the long journey of building a concensus for real campaign reform that will finally eliminate the single biggest threat to our democracy in our nations history: the bribery of our elected representatives?

      Note: When I say McCain-Feingold is corrupt, I do not mean the Feingold is corrupt. I firmly believe the authors had good intentions. But this bill was corrupted before it was ever written because the authors knew REAL reform wouldn't pass. That's why they should have waited, continued the groundswell campaign, and when public outrage had reached the tipping point, written a law that would have, God forbid, actually took the money out of politics.

      •  Very good points, but... (none / 1)

        You ask for more than the Congress could ever pass in the near future.  Feingold supports public financing and has led the charge in fighting the media monopolies in the FCC context.  Right now, there is simply no way public financing would pass, even though Feingold has repeatedly introduced just such legislation in previous Congresses.

        McCain-Feingold did not claim it would take all money out of politics.  It said it would, and did, make large unregulated soft money contributions to candidates and parties illegal.  There is undoubtedly more to do.  But many of the loopholes exploited by the Swift Boats and others were not the result of oversights in the law.  These groups should have been regulated by the FEC, which failed to do its job, and has been called to task repeatedly by courts for that failure.  

        Should the Congress have just left the system as is and allowed the soft money game to continue?  You say yes, in order to force more effective reform.  I disagree, and believe campaign finance reform is far from a dead issue, although in this Congress with this President, major reform will never happen.

        -4.25, -7.28 I'm for the war, but I'm against our troops...

        by gmoney on Thu Mar 10, 2005 at 03:07:06 PM PDT

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        •  Ugh (none / 0)

          The inability of congress to pass real CFR was one of my main points. An inability facilitated by the misguided belief that McCain Feingold did the trick.

          McCain-Feingold did not claim

          Who said anything about "claims". I merely stated that it did not solve the problem and set back the movement to actually solve the problem by possibly decades. I knew exactly what McCain-Feingold was intended to do which is why I opposed it from the beginning.

          As for the "groups" exploiting the law, and expecting the FEC to have done more, I call bullshit. First, I believe any law that prohibits citizens from getting to speak right along with Exxon and Visa on our public airwaves violates the 1st Amendment. That's a more complex debate.

          But secondly, any law that relies on the FEC for interpretation or enforcement is a joke. The FEC is a corrupt entity created by the Democrats and the Republicans to allow them to police themselves. It is an institution of entrenched power designed to protect entrenched power and anyone that sells you on the idea that they expected the FEC to suddnely start protecting the interests of common Americans is deluding themselves. Or you.

          Should the Congress have just left the system as is and allowed the soft money game to continue?

          This misleading question implies that the "soft money game" has stopped. And this is exactly the problem. People mistakenly think that McCain-Feingold worked. The fact is campaign finaceers had a workaround before the bill was even signed into law. You just funnel money through the states who have no such laws. This is only one of many workarounds.

          Just answer my question, do you have any semblence of evidence that the moneyed interests have been even remotely marginalized as a result of this law? This is the question. We can all pat ourselves on the back for raising a lot of grassroots money. But guess what. We didn't need M-F to do that.

          Nothing has changed. Our growing internet participation is a result of the internet.

          I can only imagine where we would be if campaign fince refor was still a hot issue. We could have actually gotten a Democrat elected on it. Now, it is indeed a dead issue. When's the last time you saw a diary dedicated to it here that got any attention at all? Much less a front page article?

          No, McCain-Feingold essentialy smoldered the flames and the foxes are still running the henhouse.

          •  Goals of campaign finance reform (none / 1)

            One thing you miss is that a crucial part of the big money game is the direct quid pro quo that results from federal officeholders being allowed to raise contributions in any amount from corporations and wealthy individuals.  That is now illegal.

            Yes, I understand that wealthy interests can still wield influence to a large degree.  But they can no longer give six figure checks to any political group whatsoever at the behest of a member of Congress.  

            In addition, the sham issue ads truly were shut down in the last two months of the election.  Even the Swift Boaters had to disclose who was paying for their ads and how much they paid after that point.  As much as I abhorred what they said, can you conceive of a system that would prohibit this group from running independent ads?  You can say that they were not really independent, but unfortunately that is very hard to prove and any regulation that presumes coordination without anything more than supposition is going to trample on a lot of speakers, DailyKos included.

            "You just funnel money through the states who have no such laws."  This was actually shut down to a surprising degree and one of the big pleasant surprises was that it survived Supreme Court scrutiny.  Yes, you can use corporate money for nonfederal elections in states that allow it, but in a Presidential year it is simply very difficult to spend that money effectively.

            "First, I believe any law that prohibits citizens from getting to speak right along with Exxon and Visa on our public airwaves violates the 1st Amendment. That's a more complex debate."  You bet it is.  I fully agree that we have handed over a massive giveaway to the broadcast media who have not returned their part of the bargain.  There is a lot more to be done, but this kind of rhetoric is not going to bring a lot of people to the table who don't already agree with you hook, line and sinker.

            I am not being a Pollyanna. Absolutely the FEC has to be replaced and very soon.  McCain and Feingold have a bill to kill the FEC and set up an agency not beholden to the parties. The good news is that the courts have been slamming the FEC mercilessly of late, and they will have to issue regulations that better reflect the law as a result.  

            I will not concede that the world is no better (or possibly worse!) with McCain-Feingold in place.  That Bush won cannot be placed in the lap of that law.  There are a lot of other factors that helped make that happen, most importantly, I would say, the sorry state of media coverage, not to mention the mechanics of voting.

            Even with a public financing system, you are still going to have to deal with big money outside groups that run ads independently of campaigns.  The law now prohibits corporate money for ads that mention federal candidates in the last 60 days.  There really is not much further the courts will allow you to go on this front- here it is not Congress that is the obstacle, but the Constitution.  Again, this is not nihilism.  There is much that still can be done.  But shutting down outside group speech that you don't like is going to be hard to get through the courts, whether we like it or not.

            And I'm sorry, but campaign finance reform as a campaign issue is for wonks like you and me, not for the undecided.  I have spent a huge amount of time on this issue, and the reality is, there were a ton of good government/shady insider dealings/lying to the American people issues squarely on Kerry's side in 2004, and it simply wasn't enough.  Requiring that Congress not settle for anything less than for your perfect and complete vision of campaign finance reform/media reform/distribution of finite resources reform so that it could be held up as a campaign issue would not have done a thing to sway the voters.  It has been held up repeatedly as a campaign platform in years past and not one undecided thinks anything will come of it.  That anything at all was passed under Bush and Hastert and approved by the Rehnquist Court is no small miracle.

            And saying it's a dead issue now because everybody believes everything is fixed is just ignoring reality.  There are a lot of angry people out there who want more done.  Saying everyone's dusting off their hands saying, well, that's taken care of, is absurd.  

            -4.25, -7.28 I'm for the war, but I'm against our troops...

            by gmoney on Fri Mar 11, 2005 at 04:43:43 PM PDT

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      •  Just wanted to check... (none / 0)

        ...not taking issue with any of your points, but were you responding to one of my questions...?

        If not that's cool, just wanted to make sure :-)

        "The revolution's just an ethical haircut away..." Billy Bragg

        by grannyhelen on Thu Mar 10, 2005 at 03:24:57 PM PDT

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      •  fundamentally (none / 1)

        I do not know how to solve the campaign finance problem. That you must be wealthy and well connected to run is a problem.  I don't like public financing as it has been discussed because honestly that's not how I want my money spent, and allocating the money is still a problem. The checkboxes on the IRS form? No, I want that $3 to go to things like roads and schools and the space program and the EPA. I don't want another $3 of mailings in my mailbox.

        Now, maybe if in my public financing checkbox I could also choose the candidate to give money to, that's an idea you might be able to sell.

        The internet and the blogs are in fact the anti-campaign financing even better than any limit on spending. The opportunity to discuss ideas and to evangelize for a candidate is impressive. To say that this largely volunteer and spontaneous activity  should be considered as a financial contribution is absurd (I suppose an exception would be if Marvin Moneypants gave $1M in cash to Kos to support a particular candidate, a la the Armstrong Williams scenario). Consider - if I hand out leaflets for my favorite candidate at my farmer's market as a volunteer, should that be accounted as a contribution at my hourly consulting rate?

        Fry, don't be a hero! It's not covered by our health plan!

        by elfling on Thu Mar 10, 2005 at 03:34:58 PM PDT

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        •  The checkbox was a bad idea. (none / 0)

          But the problem wasn't where the money goes. You want to be able to affect who qualifies for public funds. I agree. But the way to do it is by setting qualifications that require democratic oversight. This would be petitions.

          It's easy to devise a system where only candidates that are able to garner some intial support in the form of petion signatures are eligable. We already have that system to some extent.

          As for the bad guys getting your money, that's the price of democracy. If we allow only those who we agree with to recieve our money, we have exactly what we have now: politics of the wealthy.

          As for your $3 going for roads and schools, imagine how much more money could be invested in such things if our elected representatives  represented us again. Currently our entire country is being bankrupted by banks, corporations, and waste of corrupt spending we don't even need.

          Surely you must recognise that the benefit of restoring our democracy to the people far outweighs any the sacrifice of $3.

      •  You're demanding perfection (none / 1)

        when McCain and Feingold worked for YEARS to even get CFR to see the light of day. See Senator McCain kissing bush's butt in public? Dont you think that just might have been part of the price he paid?

        Several of your points contradict your desired goal. You seem to suggest that money is speech, which it isn't no matter what insane rationalisation the SC uses to declare it so.
        You seem upset that , oh my god, there is still huge money in politics. Of course there is. As you make the first laws to battle corruption, the corrupt find new alleyways to ply their trade in. It takes time to close off all the backdoors. The few honest , patriotic politicians we have in office spent years pushing a cause that is very very very unpopular in washington, among their fellow politicians, and among the political aristocracy in general.

        So no McCain Feingold wasnt perfect, it didnt eradicate corruption in american politics, but it was a strong step in the right direction and it moved the court in the right direction by getting it to implicitly admit (finally) that having more wealth doesnt grant you a right to more 'speech'. That in and of itself is an intellectual milestone among a group not known for intellect.

        I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that his justice cannot sleep forever TJ

        by cdreid on Fri Mar 11, 2005 at 03:52:40 AM PDT

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  •  Oh--I forgot...GO PACKERS <G>n/t (none / 1)

    Experience The Tempest! "The problem with the French is they don't have a word for 'entrepreneur'"-GWB.

    by Revel on Thu Mar 10, 2005 at 10:17:39 AM PDT

  •  FEC (3.87 / 8)

    The FEC should be primarily worried about limiting the effect corporate money has on our election process, not the affect citizens voices have.  The voice of the citizen should be the primary influence in a democracy.  Corporations should have little to no influence.

    Your well intentioned bill took great strides towards limiting the corporate influence in our government, and I sincerely thank you for that.  But I am hoping that it is just a start.  So much more needs to be done to wrest our government away from corporate greed and return it to the American citizen.  We have very few representatives we can count on for this.  Silencing the internet community would reduce that number even more.

    Thank you for fighting for us, and I wish you the best luck, along with my support, for any political endeavor you choose to pursue in the future.

  •  Thank you, Russ (none / 1)

    There's a car with Wisconsin plates and a Feingold sticker parked around the corner from me in DC. It gives me a smile every time I see it.

    Thanks for standing strong, and thanks for sharing your views.

    Keep up the good work, and don't be a stranger!

  •  Thank you Senator. (none / 0)

    Glad to have you here.
    I hope that I get a chance to vote for you in 2008.

    Sharing and Caring are for Commies! They should be illegal. Drop by and support the Human Agenda

    by k9disc on Thu Mar 10, 2005 at 10:20:29 AM PDT

  •  We love you! (none / 0)

    To my dear Senator:

    As a WI constituent that has voted for you from the start of your career, I would sure hate for WI to lose you, but I am willing to make the big sacrifice is you will please, please, pretty please consider running for the WH in 2008.  

    "But your flag decal won't get you into heaven anymore"--Prine 4060+ dead Americans. Bring them home.

    by Miss Blue on Thu Mar 10, 2005 at 10:20:44 AM PDT

  •  Thank you! (3.75 / 4)

    Now that you're a blogger, all you need is an iPod and Camera-phone and your kids won't know what hit 'em!!!

    Thank you for posting here!

    Dissent Protects Democracy

    by cscs on Thu Mar 10, 2005 at 10:25:49 AM PDT

  •  kos (3.90 / 10)

    I think Sen. Feingold meant legitimate bloggers as compared to Talon News, which might make claims to be something else. But you're right, he should clarify that.

    Everybody dies alone.

    by Armando on Thu Mar 10, 2005 at 10:26:50 AM PDT

    •  yes (none / 0)

      I got the impression that he means volunteer bloggers as opposed to "bloggers" who exist to promote an agenda for their financial backers.  IOW, second what Armando said.  

      Tom DeLay's GOP: cheating America in a time of war.

      by Tom Frank on Thu Mar 10, 2005 at 10:35:15 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  Agreed. (4.00 / 3)

      But I think the problem is in how "legitimacy" in an online news source can possibly be defined.

      What kind of rules could be applied for a legitimacy test?

      "...hope is not the equivalent of optimism. Its opposite is not pessimism but despair. So I'm always hopeful." William Sloane Coffin

      by mxwing on Thu Mar 10, 2005 at 10:35:31 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Therein lies the rub... (none / 1)

        ...the problem with Talon News and look-alikes is, if you were just reading articles it's obvious that they're biased...but how do you prove illigetimate until after the damage has been done?

        "The revolution's just an ethical haircut away..." Billy Bragg

        by grannyhelen on Thu Mar 10, 2005 at 10:39:36 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  the new york times (4.00 / 2)

          is also biased by its advertisers. this slope is more than slippery- it is vertical!
        •  but wait (4.00 / 2)

          who legitimizes mainstream news (which is full of lies and misinformation?)
          •  That's the other side of the coin (4.00 / 5)

            I think the essence of this problem is that we all know that there is propaganda in our news, and we all know that there are laws on the books which say it is illegal for our gov't to engage in propaganda...

            ...but how effective are these laws? How easy - or hard - are they to enforce? Is propaganda allowed by intelligence agencies under the auspicies of serving national security interests?

            Finally, how to you prove propaganda, short of the GAO finding contracts and payments to pundits to shill? What is the fine line between propaganda and bias?

            The reason why these questions are important in the context of federal campaign laws is because it's pretty obvious there was some violations in the 2004 elections, specifically collusion between Talon News and the Thune campaign. These types of violations, I feel, play into the greater issue of information in our society and how trustworthy it is.

            Personally, I'd like to see the anti-trust laws on the books dusted off and applied to some mega-info-tainment companies...but that'd probably be pretty hard to do politically.

            "The revolution's just an ethical haircut away..." Billy Bragg

            by grannyhelen on Thu Mar 10, 2005 at 10:55:45 AM PDT

            [ Parent ]

            •  I think the political difficulty (4.00 / 4)

              would vanish rather quickly once people understand that the reason modern entertainment is worthless crap is exctly due to media consolidation.  It's something I point out to my parents when they compalin about "good music not being made anymore", a statement that is hogwash.  Good music just isn't pushed by the Geffen records or Sony.

              "you're bound to lose if you let the blues make you scared to feel" Joni Mitchell

              by Valatan on Thu Mar 10, 2005 at 11:24:29 AM PDT

              [ Parent ]

          •  an interesting meditation from Sam Smith (4.00 / 4)

            Flogging the Blogs Won't Clear the Fog

            ...

            Yet far from welcoming their colleagues in cyberspace, the print media has gone out of its way to disparage and ridicule digitized news, with particular disdain for bloggers who dare to occupy space the archaic press believes belongs to them. There is of late much talk about the social and professional status of bloggers who are presumed not to be as properly credentialed as, say, Jason Blair, Robert Novak, Geraldo Rivero, Bill O'Reilly, the broadcast staff of defense contractor General Electric, or the 400 journalists who moonlighted for the CIA in times past.

            But Tom Paine, Ben Franklin, and Frederick Douglass did not have press passes either, nor did anyone give them credentials before they commenced their unlicensed practice of the First Amendment. And where does one go these for such a license anyway? Usually to the government or to a committee comprised of employees of large media corporations whose interest is not in dispensing news but in owning its profits and who hire numerous lobbyists to manipulate the same White House and Congress their ace reporters are covering.

            There are, of course, good bloggers and there are bad ones. There are gay prostitutes pretending to be objective cyber-journalists and there are internet journalists uncovering answers to questions conventional reporters don't even bother to ask. A simple test of the average quality of these efforts would be to invite nothing but bloggers to the next presidential news conference. Can anyone doubt that it would be more interesting and useful than a room full of David Gregorys asking questions so predictable that the president already has the answers on paper?

            ...

            I have been a radio reporter; have edited newspapers and newsletters; have written for local, national and foreign readers; have had articles in more than two dozen publications; and then ten years ago I took to the Internet. Nothing has made me feel closer to the guardian angels of journalism and more a honest part of the free press than this latter adventure, while nothing has made me feel more distant from those who haughtily claim custody of journalism's holy grail even as they dishonor to its most hallowed traditions. Anyway, in the end, there is only one journalism credential that really counts: telling good stories well . . . and truthfully.

            Let the great world spin for ever down the ringing grooves of change. - Tennyson

            by bumblebums on Thu Mar 10, 2005 at 12:25:55 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

        •  Right-o. And further, (none / 1)

          not even bias can really be considered illegitimate. This site, for example, is a partisan Democratic blog (and I'm a partisan Democrat in a major, major way).

          It's a complex problem with no real solution under the first amendment, I think.

          "...hope is not the equivalent of optimism. Its opposite is not pessimism but despair. So I'm always hopeful." William Sloane Coffin

          by mxwing on Thu Mar 10, 2005 at 10:48:49 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  simple answer - (none / 0)

            state your major bias, if any, when you get credentialled.  If your bias is found to have
            been misstated (re:Guckert) you lose your credentials, permanently.

            But Holy State (we have lived to learn) Endeth in Holy War. - Kipling

            by nargel on Thu Mar 10, 2005 at 06:51:42 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

      •  Legitimacy is using your real name (none / 0)

        I think we're all clear that the "legitimacy" word is used in response to Talon News.  

        I think that it's as easy as using your real name.

        I can read kos's bio, and I know who he is.  Also, I know if he's getting paid by someone.

        It's as easy as that.

      •  Legitimacy Test? (none / 0)

        Who would give it?  Fox News? Who would take it? Armstrong, Gannon/Guckert, Ann Coulter? Who would decide the issue of legitimacy?  It's an absurd notion.
        •  Yes. That was my point exactly. (none / 0)

          When I say "legitimacy test", I'm using the word test in the legal sense, not in the sense of taking or giving a test.

          The problem with that darned first amendment is that it protects everyone's right to express him or herself, regardless of bias.

          I was talking about testing the idea of this kind of "legitimacy" against the first amendment's protections for free speech.

          "...hope is not the equivalent of optimism. Its opposite is not pessimism but despair. So I'm always hopeful." William Sloane Coffin

          by mxwing on Thu Mar 10, 2005 at 10:20:25 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

    •  Or the Thune thugs (none / 0)

      who were paid to make attacks online for the Thune campaign, while pretending to be unaffilated bloggers.

      (My quick Thank You to the Senator for his diary and especially for his work in the Senate.)

      "She was very young,he thought,...she did not understand that to push an inconvenient person over a cliff solves nothing." -1984

      by aggressiveprogressive on Thu Mar 10, 2005 at 10:38:19 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  Here's The Problem (none / 1)

      (And yes, I initiate this by noting, as I believe I am required to do, that Armando Practices More First Amendment Law Than I Do.)

      The media exception for print/tv/radio lets them do what they want unless "owned or controlled" by a campaign, which seems to make sense given the costs of entry into the industry as well as the recent/historical independence such media entities have generally claimed from politics -- even when biased, at least they're doing it on their own.

      There's an argument to be made that, when it comes to granting a similar exception for the Internet as a medium, that it should be narrowed to cover such websites neither owned nor controlled by nor coordinating with campaigns, as coordination is generally defined under the BCRA.  I think that if a candidate is actively working with a website to promote its message, bundle contributions, etc., then that is an independent expenditure on behalf of campaigns that we might want to regulate -- of course, only if it's valued at more than $250, as in the non-Internet world.

      Just a thought.

      •  Another Potential Gray Area (none / 0)

        I'm not at all up on the minutiae of election law generally (nor have I read the actual ruling by Judge Kollar-Kotelly), but where things might get a bit complicated would be a blog that is neither owned, controlled or coordinating with one or more campaigns, but whose primary purpose is to solicit donations for campaigns and/or political parties.  Such a "blog" might well be a legitimate subject of regulation by the FEC.  However, if the principal raison d'être of the blog is commentary, news, opinion, etc., then it should automatically qualify for exemption.

        Can you smell the Constitution burning?

        by The Maven on Thu Mar 10, 2005 at 12:38:55 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  well (none / 0)

          The donations themselves are subject to the same restrictions as donations generally, but there are requirements with regards to "bundling" or "earmarking" or otherwise serving as an intermediate conduit.
          •  The Maven is right... (none / 0)

            The donations themselves are covered, but the cost of soliciting them is also a contribution.  If George Soros spends thousands of dollars on ads telling us their we should give to their favored candidate, the value of those ads is a contribution.  This is the same thing on a smaller scale.  

            He's also right about what should not be regulated, and I think Senator Feingold would agree.

            -4.25, -7.28 I'm for the war, but I'm against our troops...

            by gmoney on Thu Mar 10, 2005 at 04:59:10 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

    •  The Internet is beyond control. (none / 1)

      Back in the Good Old Days of the 18th and 19th Centuries many newspapers were either formal or informal party organs, much as Talon News is, apparently, today.  However, as long as Talon News does not commit libel, in what ways do their 1st Amendment rights any different than any other news organiation.  One can argue all one wants about their sluttish devotion to the GOP, but don't they still qualify as "legitimate" in terms of McCain-Feingold so long as they don't take any money from a campaign or engage in coordinated activity?

      I'm worried about terms like "legitimate."  As far as I'm concerned, anyone who posts on the Internet who is not in the direct pay of a candidate or party is legit.  I suppose some sort of mandantory disclosure rule would be appropriate, but how in the world does one ever come close to enforcement?

      Face it, this technology thing has unleashed a new "news paradigm" that is completely beyond the means of control of the FEC or the governement short of utterly draconian means.

      "Being Irish he possessed an abiding sense of tragedy which sustained him through brief episodes of joy."
      - W. B. Yeats

      by cman on Thu Mar 10, 2005 at 11:36:45 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Talon might be a legit news source (none / 1)

        But if they are spending their own money to disseminate a message that the White House instructs them to disseminate, this is an illegal donation by a corporation.  It's just like if the New York Times gave Feingold free ad space.

        If Talon is expressing its own views, and not coordinating its message, it ought to be considered a legit news source no matter how biased.

        Given that Gannon got priority access to the White House Press Room with nonexistent credentials, for Talon to claim independence would be highly suspect however.

        -4.25, -7.28 I'm for the war, but I'm against our troops...

        by gmoney on Thu Mar 10, 2005 at 05:04:27 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  MY question on this is... (none / 0)

          ...how can it be proved that someone is taking instructions from the WH? I know the law is supposed to be a deterrent, but how effectively can it deter people who believe they are above the law?

          Also, is the punishment for violation of the law sufficient enough to stop these folks from doing this again?

          Is Sen Feingold taking steps to try to get to the bottom of Talon?

          Also, will the FEC eventually address the GOP big money direct mail machine, which gets pretty slimy at times?

          BTW - I've really appreciated your comments in this thread. I hope you'll come back to dKos often! Some of our ideas and conversations get a bit wacky, but they can also be very insightful because of the true diversity of people and opinions this site attracts.

          Someone once asked me what dKos was, and I replied - and I still think - this site is repressentative of the liberal intelligensia in this country. Therefore, you'll not get a feel of the mainstream here, but you will get a good idea of cutting-edge thought, opinion, and research, some of which does influence both politics and the news.

          Welcome!

          "The revolution's just an ethical haircut away..." Billy Bragg

          by grannyhelen on Fri Mar 11, 2005 at 08:33:48 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  oops! "representative" (none / 0)

            sorry - watching baby and blogging and my finger slipped.

            "The revolution's just an ethical haircut away..." Billy Bragg

            by grannyhelen on Fri Mar 11, 2005 at 08:38:14 AM PDT

            [ Parent ]

          •  A good first question (none / 1)

            The reality is, it is often hard to prove WH collaboration.  Vigilant oversight is the only real hope- new laws in this case won't do anything.  

            I don't know about Feingold with regard to Talon.

            "Also, will the FEC eventually address the GOP big money direct mail machine, which gets pretty slimy at times?"  No, and thank goodness.  There are major first amendment issues here.  The best defense is moral indignation and press coverage that is a bit less complacent.

            thanks for the warm welcome.  

            -4.25, -7.28 I'm for the war, but I'm against our troops...

            by gmoney on Fri Mar 11, 2005 at 04:49:54 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

            •  Thanks, gmoney... (none / 0)

              ...as a member of the blogosphere I'm a little skeptical about the press covering stuff like this. Pretty disappointed that they haven't yet gotten the big picture on Gannon.

              We'll do what we can to spur them along! :-)

              "The revolution's just an ethical haircut away..." Billy Bragg

              by grannyhelen on Sat Mar 12, 2005 at 07:21:08 AM PDT

              [ Parent ]

    •  I think the difference lies in... (3.66 / 3)

      who pays you.

      Talon News - we know it parrots white house talking points.  But if that's what someone wants to do, then fine.  

      BUT if they are paid by the white house or the GOP, and yet still claim "independance", then the line is crossed.

      Paid Shill vs. Legitimate bloggers (no matter how stupid thier views).

      Of course, the whole paid advertising issue is thornier.

      And how do you deal with paid consulting issues?

      I pledge allegiance to the dollar of the United States of America, and to the corporations for which it stands, one consumer, under debt, invisible...

      by super ju on Thu Mar 10, 2005 at 11:41:56 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  What do you feel about paying pundits (none / 0)

        via list manipulation, as Bruce Eberle did with his Omega List? This isn't someone being paid directly by a political party, but they are being paid to espouse a certain cause or candidate through a royalty system...

        "The revolution's just an ethical haircut away..." Billy Bragg

        by grannyhelen on Thu Mar 10, 2005 at 11:48:16 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  Not familiar with the Omega list.... (none / 0)

          But I am interested.  I will check it out.  Was it roylaties for a political donor list?

          I pledge allegiance to the dollar of the United States of America, and to the corporations for which it stands, one consumer, under debt, invisible...

          by super ju on Thu Mar 10, 2005 at 12:52:46 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

  •  Voluntary, unpaid communication on the Internet (3.75 / 8)

    is part of free speech in a democracy.

    It is no different than if we gathered in a cafe or at meeting place in our towns to talk about issues, except that we are using technology as an intermediary. This technology MUST be viewed as a public utility.

    Thanks for communicating with us Senator Feingold. You probably already know how diverse, interesting, concerned and hilarious this community can be.

    The corporate media are destroying progressive Democrats. The Clintons are destroying the Democratic Party.

    by lecsmith on Thu Mar 10, 2005 at 10:28:36 AM PDT

  •  Russ in 2008 (3.75 / 4)

    Not on the polling radar yet, but numero uno on MY shortlist.
  •  Can you tell he is thinking about running (none / 0)

    for President in 2008?  reaching out to the blogworld is a good first step.  But I am not sure I can trust him yet.  He has been all over the place on his stands on issues.  

    Did he vote for the Iraq resolution?

    •  All over the place? (none / 0)

      Like where?
      •  I wasn't very clear. (none / 1)

        I just mean that in the past some of his ppositions on issues has not been consistent.  He has repeatedly said that Bush should have whatever nominees he wants for his cabinet.  I cannot agree with some of the terrible people bush has picked, but russ has no trouble with them.

        Can't remember if he voted for Gonzales or not, but, given his past comments, I would believe he might.

        I am jus saying I am not sure about Feingold.  I like him, he seems straightforward, but he sometimes takes a non-progressive stand on issues.

        Just waiting to hear more from him.

        •  if (none / 0)

          and I mean, if, he has "repeatedly said that Bush should have whatever nominees he wants for his cabinet"

          doesn't that mean he's been consistent?

        •  Actually ... (none / 1)

          The other commenter is right he WAS consistent. His did vote against gonsolez though -- because he said that that nomination surpassed any right the president had to have his own advisors, because his problems were so bad.
        •  Gonzales was an exception (4.00 / 3)

          Russ has said that he does believe that presidents should be given a wide latitude when choosing their advisors.  However, he voted against letting Gonzales' confirmation out of committee and he voted against Gonzales when it was put up for a general vote.

          He read a wonderful letter on the senate floor which outlined his reasons why he could not support Gonzales.  It mostly came down to the fact that Gonzales could not be counted on to uphold the rule of law.  Will look for a link later and post if I do.

          •  Thanks for responding. (none / 0)

            Am certainly glad he voted against Gonzales.  That vote truly was a litmus test of sorts.

            I am just waiting to hear more about him.  He is one of those where I have no idea where he stands on so many issues.  Just waiting to hear more.

            •  You're welcome. Here's the link, plus more. (4.00 / 2)

              This is the statement Senator Feingold gave on the senate floor regarding Gonzales.

              Here's what a search of his website on Gonzales turned up, including the above statement.

              Here's his official government website, which includes statements on a range of issues.

            •  Feingold voted against the Iraq resolution (4.00 / 2)

              He voted for the Afghanistan resolution.  He has voted for nearly every cabinet appointee (NOT judges) because they are, unlike judges, not lifetime appointments and traditionally the President has been given wide latitude to pick his cabinet.  He spoke out about how dismayed he was about the nomination of Ashcroft, for example, but believed that the Constitution and history demanded that he confirm the nomination because the primary basis of the opposition was based on ideology, not proven misconduct.  In addition, he wanted to preserve a precedent for the time when a Democrat becomes President that he/she might be able to pick the best nominees without opposition failing to confirm them on purely ideological grounds.

              You can disagree with his interpretation of the Constitution, but he takes his job as ranking Democrat on the Subcommittee on the Constitution very seriously.  Also, I think 11 other Democrats voted to confirm Ashcroft.  Disagree with his vote if you choose, but not his integrity or motives.

              Think about this.  Ashcroft was awful no doubt.  But blaming the Patriot Act on him is giving the Bush Administration a pass.  Do you really think the post-9/11 Justice Dept. would have advocated any differently under Bush without Ashcroft?  To put a finer point on it, do you really think without Ashcroft the Patriot Act would not have existed?  ALL of the problematic sections in that law were part of a Justice Dept. wish list that existed well before Ashcroft.

              Finally, whom do you trust more: the guy who voted to confirm Ashcroft based on a strong understanding of the history of cabinet confirmations (not because he agreed with the appointment), but voted against the Patriot Act, or all those Democrats who swayed with the politics of the moment, voting against Ashcroft but for the Patriot Act?  

              -4.25, -7.28 I'm for the war, but I'm against our troops...

              by gmoney on Thu Mar 10, 2005 at 05:27:24 PM PDT

              [ Parent ]

          •  Once burned (4.00 / 2)

            Twice shy.

            Now, perhaps, Senator Feingold would be so kind as to take a certain junior Senator from Colorado aside and explain in detail why extending gentlemanly latitude to this particular administration, and the party that supports it, is such a monumentally bad idea.

            That would be helpful.

            Time flies, whether you're having fun or not.

            by Kimberley on Thu Mar 10, 2005 at 12:52:54 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

        •  Bolton (none / 1)

          This is one of the things that most worries me about Bolton.  Senator Feingold sits on the Feoreign Relations Committee, and he voted for Bolton in 2001.  Can we count on him this time around?
          •  That's a good question. (none / 1)

            Here's another question, though it may appear impertinent and impolitic: how can you account for the votes of your Democratic colleagues in the Senate regarding Gonzales, Rice, and bankruptcy "reform"? It probably would not be diplomatic for you to conjecture. However, please know that many of us feel betrayed and confused by their votes.

            You deserve the praise you reap on this site; the general wisdom seems to be that you are a good and reflective representative of the people. All of us appreciate your writing to us. I promise to listen to your ideas, always.

        •  Feingold voted against Gonzales (none / 1)

           I keep the list handy for consultation - a litmus test for humane behavior.

          You don't get to keep democracy unless you fight for it.

          by artebella on Thu Mar 10, 2005 at 06:38:38 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

    •  IWR (none / 1)

      He was against. Something to read here.
    •  All over the place? (4.00 / 6)

      No.
      And no, he didn't vote for the Iraq resolution.  He DID vote for the 87 billion to fund our troops once they were there.  He WAS the only senator to vote against the patriot act.  He DOES have an outstanding enviromental record....  Please see his website if you have additional questions about his record and stances on things: www.russfeingold.org
      •  nuff said: (4.00 / 5)

        He WAS the ONLY Senator to vote against the Patriot Act.

        The prophet is a fool, the spiritual man is mad; For the multitude of thy iniquity And the great hatred...

        by Tirge Caps on Thu Mar 10, 2005 at 11:01:00 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  Right on! (none / 1)

          If you are looking for a presidential candidate in the US Senate, bear in mind that EVERY LAST ONE OF THEM - with the exception of Senator Feingold - voted FOR the Patriot Act.

          Note to everyone that keeps bringing up Ashcroft or Rice: Rather than nitpicking every little vote that he cast that you disagree with, I suggest you start with THAT little fact instead.

          Go Russ!

          "Enlightened statesmen will not always be at the helm." --James Madison, Federalist 10

          by mrhelper on Thu Mar 10, 2005 at 04:03:28 PM PDT

          [ Parent ] </