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On public Koran burning, and respect for religion

Tue Apr 19, 2005 at 10:52:24 PM PDT


Ritual burning of a Koran in Columbus, Ohio, July 22, 2004

In the aftermath of Joseph Ratzinger's elevation to Pope, and the raising of the question of "respecting" religion and the religious being raised in many Daily Kos diaries, I have a story to tell, about a public event I witnessed with my own eyes last summer that involved both prominent Catholic clergy and activist Protestants. Perhaps it will serve to clarify exactly how religion should be "respected," or not.

Last summer, "Operation Save America," a loosely-organized group of militant Christians primarily known for their aggressive actions outside abortion clinics, among other targets, spent a week in Columbus, Ohio. OSA is one of the successor groups that formed in the early 1990's from Operation Rescue, Randall Terry's organization. They camped out in front of City Hall there for seven days straight, with rallies each evening there and daytime protests at various targets which on this trip included the local United Way office. Many of the OSA participants, including director Flip Benham, went on to participate in, and be arrested at, the media circus last month in front of Terri Schiavo's hospice.

Midday Thursday of that week, OSA staged a so-called "memorial service" for what they claimed were fetal remains obtained as the result of an abortion. Present and speaking during that "service" was Frank Pavone, a Catholic priest who was for a time a few years ago an official of the Vatican-based Pontifical Council on the Family. The Cardinal who heads this Council has endorsed Pavone and his group, Priests for Life, on multiple occasions. And Pavone has since turned up as an "advisor" to the Schindlers, the parents of Terri Schiavo - a relationship that apparently goes back a number of years.

Six hours later that Thursday, OSA staged a ritual burning at the same place that Pavone spoke, with many of the same people present. As a part of their evening prayer rally in front of City Hall, OSA leaders placed a metal bucket, and as they have done in other cities including in front of the Supreme Court in Washington, DC, their children first tore up printed copies of the Roe v. Wade decision and placed those pieces in the bucket.

OSA leader Rusty Thomas followed a long tirade against gays with the placing of a rainbow flag in the bucket.

The adult men then gathered around, and tore up a copy of the Koran. The shreds were then added to the bucket, and the contents were then set afire.

In the run-up to the Koran burning, Benham had this to say:

And we have now three choices when we deal with Islam. We can be killed by them, and you witnessed it at 9-11 and we're witnessing it now. We can kill them, and we have been doing that in the wars we have been fighting lately. Or we can convert them to Christ. Now, which one do you choose?

As Benham made clear to me directly in a later conversation, he does not believe that there can be co-existence between his flavor of Christianity and any other religion, that "religious pluralism" is a lie. He insists that there will always be a battle for dominance, and that what passes for coexistence is just a phase leading up to that battle of one group eventually conquering the other; that one group will always be ascendant, and others will be conquered.

It's my view, after watching Benham and other such militants for a number of years, that this is not a question of how we should "respect" those who hold these kinds of views, and who are willing to, in a symbolic fashion, act out the elimination of other groups or religions through the burning of their cherished symbols. It is instead the question of how to deal with those who have reached a conclusion that coexistence with those who differ from them in their most intimate, personal choices and beliefs is impossible - even while most everyday life in many parts of the world shows that such coexistence is not only possible, but essential.

With the rise of Ratzinger to Pope - a person who also shares this opinion that religious pluralism is the enemy, and the clear and ongoing relationship between Frank Pavone and Operation Save America - between a highly-regarded Vatican operative (Pavone) and an organization that has basically transitioned to a hate group - I believe that what is needed is recognition and understanding of a developing problem, not "respect."

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  •  Not Religious at All (3.25 / 4)

    Such intolerence and hate is not religious at all. It is evil, pure and simple. It is not Christ-like. Jesus Christ made a point of being loving and tender to the lowlife, the outcast and the most despised of society. (Or did I read a different Gospel than this group?) I firmly believe that if Jesus Himself walked up to shake these people's hands, they'd sock Him in the jaw and consider themselves perfectly justified. Much more reminiscent of the Nazis or how about the Ku Klux Klan. I believe the Bible says that the meek shall inherit the earth - not the bigot, the hateful or the mean of heart.

    By the way, I also believe that the Bible gives a definition of those who can be called the Children of God. Aren't they the "peace makers?"

    •  You might be interested to know... (none / 1)

      ...that for about the first four centuries of the Christian church, theologians agreed (on the basis of Matthew 5: 21, 38 and 26:52) that it was a sin to offer resistance to an attacker or armed robber. Justin Martyr argued that "the Christian must not resist attack," and Origen added, "The Christian lawgiver...did not deem it becoming to allow the killing of any man whatever." St. Ambrose expanded on this by saying, "...when a Christian meets an armed robber, he cannot return his blows, lest in defending his life, he should stain his love toward his neighbour. The Gospel is plain: put up thy sword."

      "And if you vant a second opinion -- you are ugly too!"

      by sagesource on Wed Apr 20, 2005 at 12:04:33 AM PDT

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  •  This bothers me too (none / 1)

    There are a lot of religious pluralists around the world, and in America.

    Picking this pope is like giving all those people the middle finger.

    And it only serves to give Osama Bin Laden the "clash of civilizations" he wanted.

    If we absolutely need to have a war, say in Afghanistan, I prefer to keep it secular.

    This is still bigger than any candidate. I'm for truth, no matter who tells it. I'm for justice, no matter who it's for or against.

    by danthrax on Tue Apr 19, 2005 at 11:19:39 PM PDT

  •  Well, if Benham wants all-out religious war (none / 1)

    can't we all chip in and buy him and Pavone and Thomas a time machine so they can go back to... hmm, let's see... let's make that the 14th century, shall we? I know there are lots of contenders, but I believe the 14th had the plague.

    It'll be a one-way time machine, but we needn't tell them that. I'm sure they'll all settle down and be perfectly happy there, with their role models being in charge of everything.

    Folly is fractal: the closer you look at it, the more of it there is.

    by Canadian Reader on Tue Apr 19, 2005 at 11:50:58 PM PDT

  •  I stand corrected (4.00 / 2)

    Earlier I made the statement that religious people calling for "respect" should try being atheist or agnostic for five minutes.

    Apparently I should have added "try being Muslim in America for five seconds".

  •  Yep, this is a fascist nation. (4.00 / 2)

    Thanks for pointing that out. I'll forward it to a Muslim friend whom became Republican, to my dismay, if he ever remembers me.

    My teeth aren't white enough for DailyKos, so adios.

    by DrReason on Wed Apr 20, 2005 at 02:38:19 AM PDT

  •  This is a hate crime (none / 0)

    and should be prosecuted as such.

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