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More White House propaganda; Denver 3

Wed Apr 27, 2005 at 10:09:16 AM PDT

So, the man who impersonated a Secret Service agent and kicked out three harmless people from a taxpayer-funded "town hall event" (because they had a "no blood for oil" bumpersticker on their car) was the chairman of the Colorado Young Republicans.
Jay Bob Klinkerman, leader of the state group for Republicans ages 18 to 40, admitted in an interview that he was at the gate of the Wings over the Rockies Museum when the three people were stopped [...]
Klinkerman also was identified as being involved in the incident by Karen Bauer, one of the three removed. She confronted him about it at a Young Republicans event Tuesday night.

Two of the three who were removed, Bauer and Leslie Weise, said that Klinkerman is the event volunteer who was wearing a magenta shirt and smiley-face tie that night, and told them, "Secret Service is coming down to talk to your group."

Then a man who looked and acted like a Secret Service agent arrived and threatened them with arrest. He allowed them to enter but then found them 20 to 30 minutes later and forced them to leave.

Remember, this is a taxpayer-funded event, and they've got Young Republicans running "security".

Meanwhile, the White House is pretending they have no idea who might be running around Bush events with earpieces.

Asked Tuesday about the Tylers' claims, assistant press secretary Allen Abney referred to McClellan's earlier statement. Bush's spin doctors, it seems, would have Americans believe that any old Republican Party member gets to wear a lapel pin and an earpiece at an official White House event.

They would also have Americans believe any old volunteer can throw people out of a taxpayer-financed meeting and threaten to arrest those who stay.

The Secret Service is still investigating the affair. The White House may not think it's a big deal, but the Secret Service is taking it seriously.
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  •  Jay Bob? (none / 0)

    Oh for goodness sakes.  

    "In a republic this rule ought to be observed: that the majority should not have the predominant power." - Cicero -6.75 -3.64

    by KOWALSKI on Wed Apr 27, 2005 at 10:06:02 AM PDT

  •  shades of Altamont... (none / 1)

    Apparently the Hell's Angels couldn't do security for them.

    I trust Obama's judgment more than I trust my own. Why are YOU telling him what to do?

    by Leggy Starlitz on Wed Apr 27, 2005 at 10:06:19 AM PDT

  •  the Secret Service should (4.00 / 5)

    what they do is no joke, yet these young republicans are jeopardizing what they do, for their own political agenda.  klinkerman and anyone else involved should go to prison.

    Isn't a centrist just someone who doesn't have the balls to be a fanatic? -- Stephen Colbert

    by Muboshgu on Wed Apr 27, 2005 at 10:06:25 AM PDT

  •  I wonder how much... (none / 0)

    The "Young Republicans" got paid for security duty.

    Wouldn't that break some rules about competitive bidding or tax payer money going to a political group.

    If money changed hands for the "Security services that would be a big story.

    We Glory in war, in the shedding of human blood. What fools we are.

    by delver rootnose on Wed Apr 27, 2005 at 10:08:21 AM PDT

  •  If i join the Young Republicans, (4.00 / 3)

    can I get to be the guy that guards the twins?
  •  The Secret Service (4.00 / 6)

    takes great pride in how it performs its job and doesnot take kindly to being used for political purposes.

    The old phrase "take a bullet" has turned out to be true for many of them.

    Masquerading as a member of the Secret Service is a Federal offense and they will not allow this to go on wihtout some penalty.  And they really won't care who looks bad as a result.

    Bush, so incompetent, he can't even do the wrong things right.

    by JAPA21 on Wed Apr 27, 2005 at 10:10:41 AM PDT

    •  Put pressure on the Secret Service? (none / 0)

      Would it be a good strategy to put pressure on the Secret Service for this lapse, and the lapses involved with letting our old friend Jimmy Jeff into the White House with no record?  Then, if they are serious professionals who don't appreciate being trashed like this they might decide to stand up for themselves and spill the beans on what is really going on.

      "Reality has a well-known liberal bias." Stephen Colbert

      by Time Waits for no Woman on Wed Apr 27, 2005 at 10:24:16 AM PDT

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      •  Isn't that pretty much what they're doing? (none / 0)

        Didn't they release the entry/exit logs pretty quickly, and with no fight? They could have fought it as a national security thing -- exposing flaws in their system, etc., etc. Apparently they didn't.

        How do we know they're not the ones leaking all kinds of stuff? They very well could be.

        FWIW, if I were the Bushies, I sure wouldn't want the SS thinking I was out to make them look like idiots. Not a good thing to do. Not a good thing AT ALL.

    •  RE the secret service (none / 0)

      The secret service won't do anything to JayBob unless we get it into the press.  I'm sure the secret service folk are mostly Bush supporters who would look askance at "no blood for oil" bumper stickers and wouldn't mind if people with "no blood for oil" stickers knew to stay away from Bush.  

      And even if they are completely impartial and apolitical, JayBob did an act that kept people away from the president, which is what the agency likes.  JayBob may have committed a felony but there's a difference in what he did and say if someone impersonated an agent to get within physical contact range of whoever the agency is protecting.

      I wouldn't count on a JayBob conviction but, with apologies to every other Jay Robert out there, we get to make as much fun of JayBob as we possibly can.

      •  not so sure (4.00 / 4)

        JayBob may have committed a felony but there's a difference in what he did and say if someone impersonated an agent to get within physical contact range of whoever the agency is protecting.

        Law-enforcement types as a rule really hate it when someone impersonates them, and I'd be very surprised if the Secret Service let this go, unless they were pushed very hard to do so.  It's much more likely that they'll just try to handle it as quietly as possible without letting this guy off of the hook.

        I very much doubt they care about the politics of the situation or any supposed difference between what this bozo did and something that's more of an immediate threat to the Prez.  They are highly trained professionals and their duties depend on very clear lines between who is an agent and who isn't.  Imposters, whether or not they happen to be on Bush's side, are a danger to the real agents and an indirect danger to the people whose safety they're responsible for.

        "All progress depends on the unreasonable man." -- George Bernard Shaw

        by Bearpaw on Wed Apr 27, 2005 at 10:49:16 AM PDT

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        •  We should keep in mind (none / 1)

          that Kos misread the article - JayBob wasn't impersonating the Secret Service agent - he was the one who called over the fake agent.  

          Still completely bullshit and possibly illegal, but not quite the same.

          The "Republican staffer" who did the actual impersonation is still unnamed, but it sounds like the Secret Service may know who he is.

          lib-er-al: Open to new ideas for progress; tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; not limited to or by established, orthodox or authoritarian attitudes.

          by DCescapee on Wed Apr 27, 2005 at 11:03:50 AM PDT

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      •  The Secret Service... (none / 1)

        are almost all career law enforcement agents, not political appointees. Bush has been president since 2001 - I bet many, if not most, of the agents on his various details have been with the Service a lot longer than that.

        Not saying there's no bias at all, but the Secret Service probably has less bias than almost any federal agency - they are there to do their job exactly the same way, regardless of who they're guarding.

        And someone impersonating one of them is gonna be in for a world of hurt if/when he gets caught. Doesn't matter if he was "on Bush's side" - what if he was an al-Qaeda plant working deep, deep cover?

        Can't wait to see how this turns out.

        -8.25, -6.26 "I'm not superstitious. But, I AM a little stitious." - Michael Scott

        by snookybeh on Wed Apr 27, 2005 at 11:43:27 AM PDT

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  •  kos (none / 0)

    didn't they privatize the Secret Service already?

    I guess this is just step one.

  •  So when will (none / 1)

    the chair of the Young Repubs and the unknown impersonator be arested for threatening the security of a Presidential event--allowing only those they approve of inside.  What if a "terrorist" did the same at the door and let some dude with a derringer in, but kicked out others...?  What's to stop that kind of non-SS security breeches from happening again?
    •  what if... (none / 0)

      Now it seems Terrorists have infiltrated the Young Republicans and are threatening America!  Remember, the Young Republicans were infiltrated some time ago... neo-con terrorists galore are now reeking havoc!

      The Secret Service must background check those Republicans whether their civil liberties are at stake or not as (probably) required by the "Patriot" Act.

      (tongue in cheek)

  •  White House knowledge (4.00 / 16)

    "The White House knows nothing about this.

    "We also knows nothing about who gets press corps day passes, Tom DeLay's ethics, or the colour of the sky. Our handling of the economy proves we do not know how many beans make five. How many streets a man must walk down depends on if he is still able to walk after interrogation. We believe we know why the chicken crossed the road, but that information is classified. We do know which way is up, and it is the same direction in which the Dow, mean household income, and President Bush's approval ratings are going.

    "Next question. Yes, Jeff?"

    --
    Paper Ballots Counted By People!

    by Rupert on Wed Apr 27, 2005 at 10:12:23 AM PDT

    •  And these feckin eedjits protect us from terror? (none / 0)

      Really, think of all the crap that's going on right under their fucking noses.

      A WMD-expert, undercover CIA agent has her cover exposed from within the White House ... BUT THE TRAIL HAS SUPPOSEDLY GONE COLD!!!!!

      A male prostitute with a criminal past AND still working ILLEGALLY as an online whore, using an assumed name, can enter and leave apparently at will and White House security is too clueless to know anything about it?

      OH COME ON!

      Now I know why they can't find Osama bin Laden. He fields an intramural bowling team and is hanging out in the WH underground lanes.

      (This BETTER be an election issue in 2006 for the Dems because apart from the cartoon idiocy of it all, the warped priorities of these arrogant assholes really have put the country at risk -- politically, economically and with regards to security.)

  •  Should be "former" head of young GOoPers (none / 1)

    this bastard better resign for his lies.  The GOoPers have no respect for duty or honor.  Here there are police officers and Secret Service officers who strive their whole life to reach the level they are at, and some floozy, wanna-be, ignorant chair of the young GOoPers things it's just "a fun game" or something, to impersonate them.

    This should be a felony, this guy should be thrown in jail.

    Disgusting.  No respect for the law.

    "Cynicism is a sorry kind of wisdom" - Barack Obama

    by pacified on Wed Apr 27, 2005 at 10:12:33 AM PDT

  •  The White House Pretending...? (none / 0)

    Never!  Look at their track record! No child left behind raelly is good for education. The Clear Skies Act is environmentally benficial legislation. The war in Iraq has been going really well... Don't our allies, such as Poland, strongly support us in our war against Terror(err, Middle Eastern countries with no substantial connection to terror)?

    Someone should nominate this administration for an Oscar or Emmy. Their performance apparently is convincing to enough Americans.

    "Oh, how I miss the days of Monica Lewinsky..."

    by LawSkoolPunk on Wed Apr 27, 2005 at 10:13:12 AM PDT

  •  Hmmmm. Maybe they've got ... (4.00 / 4)

    ...Young Republicans also doing the check-in, check-out work of the Secret Service in the White House so that the James Guckerts can arrive and leave whenever they want.

    Seriously, if these were Young Democrats, is it at all believable that they wouldn't already have been taken somewhere in handcuffs?

    I am an anti-imperialist. I am opposed to having the eagle put its talons on any other land. -- Mark Twain

    by Meteor Blades on Wed Apr 27, 2005 at 10:13:14 AM PDT

  •  So... (none / 1)

    ...the Young Repugs are like the minor leagues for future Secret Service officers.  Could the SS really have had no idea that this was happening?  Hmmm.

    Fear will keep the local systems in line. -Grand Moff Tarkin -SLB-

    by boran2 on Wed Apr 27, 2005 at 10:13:37 AM PDT

    •  the SS knew (none / 0)

      but what are they going to do?  I don't think the SS is going to go the Media to complain about something the President does.

      But now that we have the Denver-3, we can call on those SS officers, and they can bitch and complain about the Bushies breaking the law... it just fits into the pattern.

      "Cynicism is a sorry kind of wisdom" - Barack Obama

      by pacified on Wed Apr 27, 2005 at 10:14:47 AM PDT

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      •  they won't... (none / 0)

        "go to the media" - that's against their policy. But I can almost guarantee that they're investigating this, and will prosecute the little punk who played dress up. And possibly Jay Bob as an accomplice.

        -8.25, -6.26 "I'm not superstitious. But, I AM a little stitious." - Michael Scott

        by snookybeh on Wed Apr 27, 2005 at 12:10:26 PM PDT

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    •  I don't think it's fair... (none / 1)

      to say "the Young Repugs are like the minor leagues for future Secret Service officers." At least, not unless you have some statistical evidence of it.

      The Secret Service are serious, career law enforcement agents. You have to be outstanding to even be considered for the job, and I'm pretty sure most agents already have extensive experience in other law enforcement agencies before they join the SS.

      I'm sure, if you were to anonymously poll the agents, a majority of them would have at least somewhat conservative political leanings. It's "law and order," after all.

      But in my experience, the types who join the Young Republicans are vapid, narcissistic little punks who wouldn't have the skills, patience and real sense of duty to even join their neighborhood block watch, much less the Secret Service.

      -8.25, -6.26 "I'm not superstitious. But, I AM a little stitious." - Michael Scott

      by snookybeh on Wed Apr 27, 2005 at 12:08:07 PM PDT

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      •  Yeah.... (none / 0)

        ..that's the point.  These "serious" agents clearly knew that this was happening.  It would more than likely constitute a breach of security and was certainly against their own guidelines.  They let it happen, hence my statement to the effect that this was like a SS-santioned  training ground.  Do you believe that they did not know?

        Fear will keep the local systems in line. -Grand Moff Tarkin -SLB-

        by boran2 on Wed Apr 27, 2005 at 04:59:18 PM PDT

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        •  I wasn't there, so... (none / 0)

          I don't have any way of knowing. I'm sure they cover a venue pretty thoroughly, but they can't cover every square inch all the time. Bush wasn't anywhere near where the incident happened, so it's entirely possible they didn't know as it was happening.

          Nixon couldn't get the CIA to do his bidding against the FBI. I think there's probably a limit to how foolish the SS will let themselves look for Chimpy.

          -8.25, -6.26 "I'm not superstitious. But, I AM a little stitious." - Michael Scott

          by snookybeh on Wed Apr 27, 2005 at 07:53:15 PM PDT

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  •  No . . . (4.00 / 2)

    I don't think Klinkerman was the guy impersonating the Secret Service agent.  If I'm not mistaken, the article says Klinkerman was at the gate and informed the Denver 3 that the Secret Service would be talking to them, but he was not the guy who impersonated the Secret Service agent.  
  •  With the Repugs (none / 0)

    It is always the "End Justifies the Means"

    Obama/Whoever He Chooses '08 Winning Change for America and the Democratic Party

    by dvogel001 on Wed Apr 27, 2005 at 10:14:43 AM PDT

  •  Young Republicans = Hitler Youth? (4.00 / 2)

    'Cause that was the first thought crossing my mind.  Is Bush going to start awarding medals to women that produce heterosexual children now?
  •  call (none / 0)

    We should call him and ask him how to get a job with the Secret Service?
    Jay Bob Klinkerman 303-808-5590
    At least that is the number you get when you google him, but then again, Jay Bob Klinkerman is a pretty common name.... for Republicans. If he married Joe Liebermann's daughter would she go by Klinkerman-Liebermann?

    you scratch a redneck and you will find a liberal underneath.....

    by Schtu on Wed Apr 27, 2005 at 10:17:41 AM PDT

  •  The faux agent was a REPUB STAFFER. (4.00 / 3)

    Jay Bob was the guy in the smiley-face tie who sort of introduced him.

    Rocky  Mountain News


    Two of the three who were removed, Bauer and Leslie Weise, said that [Young Repub]Klinkerman is the event volunteer who was wearing a magenta shirt and smiley-face tie that night, and told them, "Secret Service is coming down to talk to your group."

    Then a man who looked and acted like a Secret Service agent arrived and threatened them with arrest. He allowed them to enter but then found them 20 to 30 minutes later and forced them to leave.   [snip]

    The real Secret Service says the man who ousted Bauer, Weise and Alex Young from the president's speech was actually a Republican Party staffer. The Secret Service has told the three that the man admitted to an agent that he ousted them because they arrived in a car with a "No more blood for oil" bumper sticker.

    Well, Mark, the President has worked to elevate the discourse in this town.
    -- Scott McClellan 5/17/2005

    by coloradobl on Wed Apr 27, 2005 at 10:18:15 AM PDT

  •  Younger GOoPer just like Bush (none / 1)

    Bush, not a real figher pilot, but likes to pretend to be one.

    This young GOoPer, not a real SS officer, but likes to pretend to be one.

    Mr. Klinkermen better hope his daddy is a Congressman.

    "Cynicism is a sorry kind of wisdom" - Barack Obama

    by pacified on Wed Apr 27, 2005 at 10:18:58 AM PDT

  •  Maybe I'm crazy (none / 0)

    But doesn't the article Kos quoted actually make clear that Klinkerman was not the person impersonating a Secret Service Agent - he was just the person who called the supposed Secret Service agent?

    "Two of the three who were removed, Bauer and Leslie Weise, said that Klinkerman is the event volunteer who was wearing a magenta shirt and smiley-face tie that night, and told them, "Secret Service is coming down to talk to your group."

    This whole thing is still bullshit, but I just want to make sure we aren't accusing the wrong person of commiting a federal offense, because that is libel.

    lib-er-al: Open to new ideas for progress; tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; not limited to or by established, orthodox or authoritarian attitudes.

    by DCescapee on Wed Apr 27, 2005 at 10:19:02 AM PDT

    •  Yes, it does. (none / 1)

      It also says the fake agent was a Republican staffer.

      Well, Mark, the President has worked to elevate the discourse in this town.
      -- Scott McClellan 5/17/2005

      by coloradobl on Wed Apr 27, 2005 at 10:22:52 AM PDT

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      •  Good catch (none / 0)

        on that Republican staffer sentence.  It looks like Kos cut his quote one sentence too earlier.

        In my opinion, it is a lot more damming that the impersonator was an actual Republican staffer rather than just someone from the Young Republicans.

        lib-er-al: Open to new ideas for progress; tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; not limited to or by established, orthodox or authoritarian attitudes.

        by DCescapee on Wed Apr 27, 2005 at 10:48:56 AM PDT

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    •  Federal Offense (4.00 / 2)

      I just want to make sure we aren't accusing the wrong person of commiting a federal offense. . .

      I'm pretty sure the smiley-face tie qualifies

  •  Taxpayer dollars funding Bush SS message (4.00 / 3)

    Bogus Secret Service, bogus Social Security phone message:

    This is a bit off-topic but goes to the same issue of our taxes being spent to promote the GOP message.

    If you call the Social Security Administration, as I did today, and are put on hold, you get a recorded scare message about SS running out of money for baby boomers unless we act promptly.  

    When I got through to someone I complained that my money was being used to promote Bush's agenda to thousands of daily callers to SSA.  He was shocked.  Didn't know that was going on and said they are forbidden at SSA to express any political opinions.

    If you love being on hold and listening to a recording giving a Bush message, dial 1-800=772-1213.

    Or you can take my word for it.

    To send a furious email, go to

    http://www.ssa.gov/feedback/complaints.htm
    [scroll to topic "Other"]

    Write:
    Commissioner Jo Anne Barnhardt
    Social Security Administration Central Office
    6401 Security Blvd.
    Baltimore, MD 21235-6401

    The IPCC predicts average global temperatures to rise enough by 2050 to put 20-30% of all species at risk for extinction.

    by Plan9 on Wed Apr 27, 2005 at 10:19:13 AM PDT

  •  18-40 years old? (none / 0)

    Does a 40 year old really qualify as a young anything?   For the record...I'm 42, so don't troll rate me for saying 40 isn't young.

    Paging Doctor Dean.

    by ABBinMI on Wed Apr 27, 2005 at 10:19:16 AM PDT

  •  Clarification... (none / 0)

    According to the story, Klinkerman wasn't the one who "looked and acted like" an agent. Rather, he was present and allegedly told the people that Secret Security was coming to talk to them (though he denies that).

    The underest dog is just as good as I am, and I'm just as good as the toppest dog. - Jimmie Rodgers

    by GreenCA on Wed Apr 27, 2005 at 10:20:04 AM PDT

    •  Okay, so I type slow... (none / 0)

      ...really, when I started posting my clarification, it was before dozens of people upthread had beaten me to the punch.

      The underest dog is just as good as I am, and I'm just as good as the toppest dog. - Jimmie Rodgers

      by GreenCA on Wed Apr 27, 2005 at 10:23:22 AM PDT

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  •  bullshit (none / 0)

    i call shenanigans. I know it surprises no one here, but we really need this in the news. these guys are starting to really sling it around, and we need to get them perp-walked and jailed.
  •  Jay Bob Klinkerman (3.50 / 4)

    303-808-5590

    jbklinkerman@hotmail.com

    Will "gooks" vote for John McCain? Will "c-nts" vote for John McCain?

    by Grand Moff Texan on Wed Apr 27, 2005 at 10:21:58 AM PDT

    •  Transcript (none / 0)

      [dials 303-808-5590]

      JB: "This is Jay Bob"
      Me: "Is this the Secret Service? I'd like to speak to agent Klinkerman."

      [hangs up]

      I didn't really call. I don't advise anyone else to either. But I suppose I can't stop you.

      --
      Paper Ballots Counted By People!

      by Rupert on Wed Apr 27, 2005 at 10:33:33 AM PDT

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    •  Beat me to it (none / 0)

      Burn this motherfucker

      This message has not been approved by the corporate media.

      by jre2k8 on Wed Apr 27, 2005 at 10:35:12 AM PDT

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    •  This is in poor taste and probably illegal. (4.00 / 2)

      I know some of you guys are pissed off about this just as I am, but there is no need for personal harassment.  On top of that, it is quite likely illegal.

      We have lost of we stoop to the level of these Republican gangsters.

      "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying the cross." -- "It Can't Happen Here", Sinclair Lewis, 1935.

      by WyldPirate on Wed Apr 27, 2005 at 11:13:43 AM PDT

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    •  Sorry (none / 0)

      But I think that posting personal numbers is a no-no.  Email, that might be OK.  But a personal phone number is uncool.

      Is this a home line? Office Line? Cell phone?  without more information, we could just be causing more damage.

      I pledge allegiance to the dollar of the United States of America, and to the corporations for which it stands, one consumer, under debt, invisible...

      by super ju on Wed Apr 27, 2005 at 11:26:47 AM PDT

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      •  Why don't you find out (none / 0)

        what the fucking information is before you go supertrolling people?  

        What?  Are you stupid or something?  

        Never heard of google?  

        For your information, that info was his PUBLICALLY POSTED CONTACT INFO FOR HIS ROLE IN A NATIONAL POLITICAL ORGANIZATION.

        Jesus in a gin-joint, that was pointless.

        Will "gooks" vote for John McCain? Will "c-nts" vote for John McCain?

        by Grand Moff Texan on Wed Apr 27, 2005 at 11:29:11 AM PDT

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        •  Slow down there buster (none / 0)

          Someone woke up on the nasty side of the bed this morning.

          I still stand by my point that all phone numbers should be identified.  By the poster.  There are too many fucking idiots out there who will call whatever number people list and yell things that do NOTHING for our cause.

          Of course, calling me names makes your arguement so much more persuasive.

          I have admired your diaries in the past, but boy, you are fast changing my mind.

          I pledge allegiance to the dollar of the United States of America, and to the corporations for which it stands, one consumer, under debt, invisible...

          by super ju on Wed Apr 27, 2005 at 11:46:34 AM PDT

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        •  yeah, chill GMT... (none / 0)

          that's not like you. Whether or not it's appropriate to post that phone #, you don't have to get ugly about it.

          -8.25, -6.26 "I'm not superstitious. But, I AM a little stitious." - Michael Scott

          by snookybeh on Wed Apr 27, 2005 at 11:51:15 AM PDT

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          •  although... (none / 0)

            I did give you a four for balance. Just to clarify, you have a legitimate beef, I just didn't think you needed to get nasty about it.

            -8.25, -6.26 "I'm not superstitious. But, I AM a little stitious." - Michael Scott

            by snookybeh on Wed Apr 27, 2005 at 11:54:46 AM PDT

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        •  Not pointless (none / 0)

          Like any great liberal, I see both sides to this issue.  I concur with you though, GMT.  Usually do.

          4 4 U.

          "You can't awaken a man who pretends to be asleep."-Navajo saying.

          by quartzite on Wed Apr 27, 2005 at 12:19:15 PM PDT

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    •  And a special thanks to ubikkibu (none / 1)

      For compensating for Super Ju's mindless abuse of the ratings system.  

      Fuck you, Mr. Ju.  If you've got something to say to me, say it.  There's no way you could mistake me for an ubertroll, so you're just fucking with the system.  

      Will "gooks" vote for John McCain? Will "c-nts" vote for John McCain?

      by Grand Moff Texan on Wed Apr 27, 2005 at 11:27:21 AM PDT

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      •  OK, so now I've graduated from (none / 0)

        a supertroll "0" to a "2"

        Gee.  Thanks.  

        It wouldn't be a day on KOS without some newbie going nuclear on me.  

        I think I'll go booze it up at billmon.  

        Will "gooks" vote for John McCain? Will "c-nts" vote for John McCain?

        by Grand Moff Texan on Wed Apr 27, 2005 at 11:30:57 AM PDT

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        •  BTW, it's Ms. Ju (none / 1)

          And I posted my rating after the other guy.

          By all means, knock one back for me at the Whiskey Bar.  

          And I must mention that you're the one who went "nuclear".

          Gee, now we sound like cspan.

          I pledge allegiance to the dollar of the United States of America, and to the corporations for which it stands, one consumer, under debt, invisible...

          by super ju on Wed Apr 27, 2005 at 11:40:22 AM PDT

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      •  Hey! Uncalled for! (none / 0)

        I posted an explanation of my rating, I reread your following post about where you got the number, and I changed your rating!

        I don't think phone numbers should be posted without saying where they came from.  Random numbers without explanation should be hidden.  That's what zeros are for. Next time include the origin of the number.  For all we know, that's his home number and his 9 year old will be answering.  

        How the hell is that fucking mindless ratings abuse!?!

        I pledge allegiance to the dollar of the United States of America, and to the corporations for which it stands, one consumer, under debt, invisible...

        by super ju on Wed Apr 27, 2005 at 11:35:33 AM PDT

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        •  No, read the damned time-stamps (none / 0)

          you rated me first.  Then you posted while I was reacting.  

          Next time, check first. Since you had to change your rating because you didn't know what the info was, then you've just answered your own question.

          Will "gooks" vote for John McCain? Will "c-nts" vote for John McCain?

          by Grand Moff Texan on Wed Apr 27, 2005 at 11:42:23 AM PDT

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          •  the time stamps (none / 0)

            obviously don't jibe with the fact that I remember wondering about why someone would give this a "4".  

            It is "marginal" to give out a phone number without identifying where that phone will ring.

            I pledge allegiance to the dollar of the United States of America, and to the corporations for which it stands, one consumer, under debt, invisible...

            by super ju on Wed Apr 27, 2005 at 11:52:56 AM PDT

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  •  you know (none / 0)

    The geeky political stuff gets our collective panties in a wad - with good reason of course.

    But somehow I think this might resonate a little more with Joe Voter. There is, as always, a good chance that I'm wrong, but the plot line here is just a touch easier - more familiar and accessible thanks to so many similar fictional media examples, requiring much less (boring, politicky) explanation. And probably, in some ways, this goes over in middle America as being more of a scandle than, say, Bu$hCo.lini violating the Constitution by calling into question the validity of debts held by the US gov't.

  •  Investigate? Horsecrap. (none / 0)

    Just like the Plame investigation, there will be about 3 years of inquiries, then a determination that "no laws were broken."  These thugs get away with everything.
    •  this is different... (none / 0)

      the Secret Service is very independent from the political whims of the White House's occupants. They protect the President and others, but they don't do his dirty work.

      I'l be very surprised if they don't go after these guys like a duck on a junebug.

      -8.25, -6.26 "I'm not superstitious. But, I AM a little stitious." - Michael Scott

      by snookybeh on Wed Apr 27, 2005 at 12:16:22 PM PDT

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  •  Anyone bet that this guy won't get promoted? (none / 0)

    remember this guy's name - could he be the next to fail upward?

    A Man Without A Country - Kurt Vonnegut

    by tedward on Wed Apr 27, 2005 at 10:29:04 AM PDT

  •  Hitler Youth? (none / 0)

    This looks like another version of Hitler youth? Scary.
  •  Same pattern as for Voter Intimidation (4.00 / 3)

    "Officials" purporting to be from law enforcement displaying decals on their clipboards or cars were harassing would-be voters (or people registering voters) in the same fashion.

    The Denver Three incident isn't isolated. This kind of intimidation is a system-wide campaign by the RNC.

    It also happened in the 2000, '02 and '04 elections and is well-documented. The "brown pants" mini-mob during the Florida recount of 2000 reported to Karl Rove and was witnessed by UK press and written up in Salon.

  •  didn't they already pin this on Ozzie (none / 1)

  •  So the impersonater still (none / 0)

    hasn't been named? Klinkerman provided the lead-in to the still unknown SS agent impersonator who was this man:

    Then a man who looked and acted like a Secret Service agent arrived and threatened them with arrest. He allowed them to enter but then found them 20 to 30 minutes later and forced them to leave.

    Am I missing something? The impersonator still hasn't been named...

  •  magenta=brown (none / 0)

    why don't they just wear brown shirts and get it over with. And they can shove the smiley-faced ties up their well used a^^holes.

    fouls, excesses and immoderate behavior are scored ZERO at Over the Line, Smokey!

    by seesdifferent on Wed Apr 27, 2005 at 10:43:33 AM PDT

  •  Someone (none / 1)

    needs to call their bluff and actually get arrested for refusing to leave.

    THEN we will know who is doing their bidding.

    •  yeah... (none / 0)

      I was a little surprised at how easily the "Denver 3" were convinced to leave. didn't even ask for ID?

      -8.25, -6.26 "I'm not superstitious. But, I AM a little stitious." - Michael Scott

      by snookybeh on Wed Apr 27, 2005 at 12:17:51 PM PDT

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    •  Prepare to defend the charges, too (none / 0)

      We must be willing to be arrested.  Doing time is not out of the question.

      Still, we must prepare for an arrest and not blunder into it.  We must make certain that we have a remote electronic record.  So, an open cell phone line or family band radio to a tape recorder is the minimum.  Someone has to monitor the taping, too, to be sure it's working and not jammed.

      Bugging yourself is illegal in some states (Massachusetts for one), but the purpose is not to have admissable evidence.  The purpose is to have political evidence to spread wide and far before any subpoena can suppress it.

      Am I paranoid?  Yes, it's the only rational reaction to the incremental Bushist putsch.  We live in scary times.

      Liberty and justice for all

      by lovable liberal on Wed Apr 27, 2005 at 03:52:57 PM PDT

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  •  Time to emailbomb the national organization (none / 0)

    http://www.yrnf.com

    This guy should resign, and resign right now.

    Also, we might want to drop a few lines to the Colorado Young Repubs' national committeewoman, Amy Ollivier (amychristine1717@yahoo.com).

    The Repubs distort, but we will not abide.

    by Christian Dem in NC on Wed Apr 27, 2005 at 10:55:45 AM PDT

  •  Secret Service isn't falling for the Bush spin (none / 1)

    The Secret Service is still investigating the affair. The White House may not think it's a big deal, but the Secret Service is taking it seriously.

    You better believe the Secret Service is taking it seriously. It's their asses which are on the line here. If a new president comes in, it's still the same job for the Secret Service officers; if they want to keep their careers, they are damned well not gonna let any administration blame their problems on the Secret Service if they can help it.

    "Think. It ain't illegal yet." - George Clinton

    by jbeach on Wed Apr 27, 2005 at 10:58:24 AM PDT

  •  Since God want Bush to be president, (none / 0)

    you'd think that would be enough security if you're a faith-based kinda guy, wouldn't ya? I mean if God can't protect you, what's the Secret Service going to do? Much less little Nazi SS impersonators.

    Since the SS seems unable to control access to the White House, and just looks on as "volunteers" assault attendees at public meetings, it's time for Bush to dismiss them. God will provide, right?

    Everybody talkin' 'bout Heaven ain't goin' there -- Mahalia Jackson

    by DaveW on Wed Apr 27, 2005 at 11:03:18 AM PDT

  •  Young republicans? (none / 0)

    hitler youth

    Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect -- Mark Twain.

    by dcrolg on Wed Apr 27, 2005 at 11:09:21 AM PDT

  •  My email to the YRNF leadership (none / 1)

    To whom it may concern:

    I am writing to urge you to take all measures necessary to force Jay Bob Klinkerman to resign as president of the Colorado Young Republicans.  As you are probably aware, Mr. Klinkerman has admitted his involvement in the removal of three people from a March 21 speech by President Bush in Denver.  At this event, a Republican Party staffer impersonating a Secret Service agent forced the people to leave because of an antiwar bumper sticker on their car 20 to 30 minutes after initially allowing them to stay.

    I'm sure that you're aware that impersonating a Secret Service agent is a federal offense.  By admitting his role in this affair, Mr. Klinkerman has tacitly admitted to being an accessory to a federal offense.  This is unacceptable at any level.

    I happen to be a registered Democrat, but whether you're a Democrat or a Republican this sort of behavior is unacceptable.  In the name of decency and the rule of law, you must do all within your power to remove Mr. Klinkerman from his post.

    The Repubs distort, but we will not abide.

    by Christian Dem in NC on Wed Apr 27, 2005 at 11:12:57 AM PDT

  •  Can you say GESTAPO (none / 0)

    How much evidence do we need that these pretenders in power are NAZIS? Pure scum.

    Healthy, happy and liberal.

    by OAS on Wed Apr 27, 2005 at 11:40:29 AM PDT

  •  The thing I found most interesting (none / 0)

    about this whole Denver thing is that the Secret Service NEVER talks.

    They never talk about what they do.
    They never talk about what they have done.
    They never talk about what they will do.
    They never talk about why they've done or not done anything or when they will talk about it...

    It's all very Zen.

    However, this time they start talking! So, yeah, I'd say they're pretty pissed. And I love it!

    •  Not only are they talking about this (none / 0)

      they released the entry/exit records. Apparently without much fight. You heard that Bush got spirited away to the bunker for some 'short time' today? When was the last time you heard about something like that? Doesn't that make him look, well, unmanly? Scared of his shadow? Whether it was advisable or not isn't the issue -- the press FOUND OUT about it. And really, really fast, too.

      Oh yeah, they're pissed. I suspect they're pissed at a lot of people.

      Just goes to show the stupidity of this administration. The LAST people you want pissed at your are your security people.

    •  That's why (none / 0)

      it's called the Secret Service!!!

      "America did not invent human rights. In a very real sense, it is the other way around. Human rights invented America." -Jimmy Carter

      by Bulldawg on Fri Apr 29, 2005 at 08:18:08 AM PDT

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  •  I think that Klinkerman is not... (none / 0)

    ... the guy who actually was wearing the
    earpiece and pretending to be the SS.
    But Klinkerman was working with him, it seems:


    Two of the three who were removed, Bauer and Leslie Weise, said that Klinkerman is the event volunteer who was wearing a magenta shirt and smiley-face tie that night, and told them, "Secret Service is coming down to talk to your group."

    and almost assuredly knows who he is.  As does the SS themselves:


    Although the agency won't name him, the Secret Service has determined that the man who banished the Denver Three was a Republican staff member.

    But neither of them will say.  But it seems that at least the SS admits that it was a Republican staff member who should be facing criminal charges.  But don't hold your breath on that....

    Cheers,

  •  What else do you expect? (none / 0)

    Meanwhile, the White House is pretending they have no idea who might be running around Bush events with earpieces.
    Well, of course they are pretending that. There doesn't seem to be a lot of gray area here. Either (1) they have no idea, or (2) they engaged in conspiracy to commit and/or misprision of a felony. So, given that they aren't going to say "You caught us, we're a bunch of criminals", of course they are pretending they know nothing.
  •  I have a strong feeling (none / 0)

    that in addtion to the illegality issue, the Secret Service might also be getting tired of being used as a partisan tool.  
  •  death squadron (none / 0)

    How fast can W get the SS under negroponte's wing?

    ~ have a powerful day ~

    by moeman on Wed Apr 27, 2005 at 03:19:44 PM PDT

  •  brown shirts (none / 0)

    I wonder when the Young Republicans will start wearing brown shirts/suits now that the Secret Service(S.S.now how spooky is these initials) will now make these people stop wearing black  
  •  If the Young Republicans (none / 0)

    Are running security At these things, wouldn't that mean they're acting as agents of the government, or at the very least, acting under color of law? If the answer is yes, then it would be likely they're guilty of violations of the 4th and 14th amendments.

    Do any of the lawyers here know if this might be an avenue the three who were thrown out might be able to pursue.

  •  okay people..... (none / 0)

    live up!!!!  I get it... I get it.  They are trying to silence us and make the masses go along like blind sheep.  I dont need another case that REALLY proves it....  

    You should attend your next young republicans meeting and hand out army brochures.  Be a dick.  Tell them if they dont sign up they are pussies.  Offer to drive them to the recruitment place.  Its not a war of "words" anymore.  They have used action.  We shall answer with NON violent actions.

  •  Young Republicans (none / 0)

    Nazi youth...what's the difference?

    "America when will we end the human war?" - Allen Ginsberg

    by Teacher Toni on Wed Apr 27, 2005 at 04:20:30 PM PDT

  •  Will the Secret Service also investigate Drudge? (none / 0)

    Drudge ran a "story" accusing radio talk-show host Randi Rhodes of carrying a comedy bit that (and this takes an incredible stretch of the imagination) makes a "death threat against The President."  Anyone who hears the bit will understand that no such thing happened.
       But we have to look to journalistic standards here. Drudge ran the story without checking out the other side--and apparantly not even listening to the bit--to realize how ridiculous the assertion coming out of the White House was.
    Under Society of Professional Journalist's ethics, reporters are supposed to look carefully at all sides of an issue, and give their account in a balanced manner. Drudge just rushes into print with allegations from a politically-motivated White House. Worse, apparantly the Secret Service is being used as political scare tactics.
       There should be a report on the Secret Services involvement in such political activities. From what I see and hear, it looks more like the work they are doing is coming to resemble the work of political advance men, and less to do with actual security for elected officials (yeah--I'll grant that the issue of election is still in doubt, if you follow the exit-poll, statistics of probability issues).
       So there should be an investigation of the activities of the secret service, as well as the impostors mentioned above.
  •  This is a non-issue (none / 0)

    So a guy looked as if he might be a SS agent. So what? So he threatened to get the real cops. People can make threats all day. The article is very vague, and makes the protestors compalaints sound petty. This seems to be a tempest in a teapot compared to the real issues out there.

    The Sanskrit word for "war" means "desire for more cows."

    by wondertrev on Wed Apr 27, 2005 at 04:50:00 PM PDT

    •  I realize that you are critiquing the sum total (none / 0)

      of the complaint here, but this complaint includes the fact that these are taxpayer funded jaunts, complete with airforce one jets and the whole enchilada and taxpayers are not allowed to attend.  So we have abuse of the 1st amendment for one, malfeaseance in office for another.  And I'm sure the lawyers on this blog could come up with more stuff.
      •  malfeaseance in office? (none / 0)

        Malfeaseance in office certainly applies to lots of things, but not this. Remember, these are YOUNG nazis. Like I tell my undergrad students, "If you're under 25, you're an idiot; I don't care if you're a Harvard Phi Beta Kappa, you're an idiot." Think about how we are willing to forgive Townsell for her repeated plagarism because of her youth. Youngsters are knuckleheads. They do stupid things.

        If sure some (especially the young 'uns) will rant and rave about my characterization of this as trivial, but, seriously, aren't there bigger issues than if some YAF'er gets a woody simulating the Feds?

        The Sanskrit word for "war" means "desire for more cows."

        by wondertrev on Wed Apr 27, 2005 at 07:21:25 PM PDT

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  •  Infamous Young Republicans (none / 0)

    Grover Norquist and Jack Abramoff, who "took over" the Young Republicans around the time Reagan took office, complete with purges of those who opposed them. Read or Google "Gang of Five" by Nina J. Easton for more details.

    And don't forget: GOPUSA, our favorite friend of Gannon, was started by a Young Republican, Bill Fairbrother, and was grown by another with ties to the national group: Bobby Eberle.

    I have a hunch that wherever you see scandal in the Republican Party, a Young Republican will be at the heart of it.

  •  Even if the Secret Service takes it (none / 0)

    seriously, what could they do?  It would still have to be the justice dept who would prosecute, would it not?
  •  This kind of balls (none / 0)

    (the Republican operative impersonating a Secret Service agent) reminds me of something I read about William Rehnquist (the very one) when he was a young Republican operative in Phoenix.  Story goes that he used to intimidate minority voters - more or less legally and mostly immorally - at polls, to keep them from voting.  Keep Amerika pure and all that.

    Come to think of it, they still do that.  In Detroit and Ohio and South Carolina and Florida and...

    (Google turned up this link:  Just Our Bill on Common Dreams, from the year 2000.  Funny how things keep lurking around on the internet, isn't it?

    Come to think of it, they still do that.

    P. S.  I have to say that the work you guys did on the site today seems to have made it a bunch faster.  Thanks!

  •  The List (none / 0)

    I know 2 people on the "Fargo List" of some forty odd people that were excluded from a public event and these people weren't even likely to attend. Fortunately, the peoples' representation from North Dakota are attempting to figure out what's going on. North Dakota is a very conservative state with two Democratic Senators and the only Representative to the House also a Democrat. The state voted well over 60% for 'W', but this incident among a very private people will make many reconsider where their best interests are served.
    •  I know 2 people on the "Fargo List" (none / 0)

      William H. Macy
      Frances McDormond.

      (Sorry, it's Friday)

      "America did not invent human rights. In a very real sense, it is the other way around. Human rights invented America." -Jimmy Carter

      by Bulldawg on Fri Apr 29, 2005 at 08:26:32 AM PDT

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  •  I have a theory! (none / 0)

    What if Bush is suicidal. Perhaps he has figured out that he is a piece of poo and his only chance of going down in history is an assassination!

    piss of the people with experience knocking off politicians (CIA). Check!

    Piss of the people that keep you from getting knocked off (SS). Check!

    Not to mention all the terrorists.

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