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Meetup.com self destructs : let's build our own. Now.

Sun May 29, 2005 at 09:07:29 AM PDT

MeetUp is going out of business This is their last-gasp desperation attempt to stave off bankruptcy. I'd focus on finding an alternative solution." by kos on Tue Apr 19th, 2005 at 16:06:37 PDT ( emphasis mine, from a discussion on the new Meetup.com fees on the DailyKos, April 19th

There you have it folks. I trust Kos's advice on this -  plain spoken and sensible advice it is  : "find alternative solutions". Yes, indeed. I saw Markos speak at this year's "Personal Democracy Forum" in NYC a few weeks ago, and I didn't have preconceptions. There were many silly people there, but Markos was not one of them. I came away from that event with a sense of respect for Kos, and I take his words at face value :

"I'd focus on finding an alternative solution" : Yes. If we want tools for democracy, we must build them.

Folks, no one is in charge here but you. This is a conflagration : it's the Hindenberg crash of grassroots organizing in America:



What are you going to do ? Walk the other way, or screw up your courage and rush in ?

Below the fold - a project : we need it, let's build it.

We'd better run in to pull out the survivors from this burning wreck of mismanagement. There's little time.

Here we be : a significant share of the prospects of the Democratic Party in the upcoming '06 elections have crashed and are burning fast. Time is of the essence. People scream from the wreckage, "save American Democracy", "Help!".

Meetup.com has crashed and burned : about 95% of its user base has fled Meetup's extraordinarily high new fees ( $19 a month/$238 a year for the "privilege" of toiling to restore and rebuild American Democracy from the grassroots level up )

If we want the service which meetup once offered for free - and even a better service than that - It's up to us to build one. All of the organizations and money in the World can't provide this service for us. The existing grassroots organizational efforts are heavily balkanized, and there isn't even any central space (as far as I am aware ), an Internet commons or agora,  where the numerous organizations doing grassroots work share space, talk to each other, or even acknowledge each other's existence. It's a balkanized turf battle, and so you won't find help from that quarter, from the alleged leadership.

No, we the people must lead on this one. The Meetup.com conflagration has been ongoing now for over a month and no national leader or group has stepped up to take charge of the situation.

The health of American Democracy demands that we take action.

Do you want the Democratic Party to make significant gains in the 2006 elections ? Or, do you want to witness a rout and live in an insane, grim, brutal rendition of Margaret Atwood's "Handmaid's Tale" ?

Here are the stakes:



I am setting up a blog, with a dedicated email address to organize this ( give me about 1/2 hour ), in my hope that you here on the DailyKos - and indeed all people who care about grassroots    democracy, grassroots organizing, and the '06 elections will gather together and work with me to build this service.

For now, as I have to run off for the afternoon, anyone who wants to work with me on this can email me at : B r U ceN s aR a ( at ) Ea T hlinK dot NeT [ hint : remove all spaces, make all letters lower case, and substitute @ for ( at ) and . for "dot" . It's a crude anti-spam cipher. ] Come on! It's not so hard, making democracy work - you just have to try. It'll be fun.  

I have a general sense of what would be necessary to set up a service to replace Meetup - a free service. The initial needs of such a project would be, #1 - people to organize and salvage Meetup.com groups in their own states and areas and to help in other organizational capacities #2 - programmers familiar with Perl and database work. In order to better sort emails - as I get a chance - I'll set up email categories at this blog, for categories #1 and  #2.

The majority of Meetup.com's user base has fled Meetup's new fees ( see: fee announcement last April, and ensuing discusion ) , and one can scarcely imagine how the darkest plans of Karl Rove and the GOP could have dealt a worse blow to grassroots democratic organizing in America.

Here's a discussion on Meetup.com about the situation, and here is a Google search of the terms "Meetup. com, fees".

Here's my personal experience :

I live near Worcester, MA.

There was a meetup in Worcester - with 400 people signed up -  scheduled in early June. Another two related political organizing meetings ( such as a "Take Back the Media" meetup with 50 people signed up )  in my area with no leaders raised the sum total of potential activists who had signed on for orphaned, leaderless meetups to about 500 people.  But, these meetups weren't going to going to happen : no one had stepoped up to pay this month's $19 installment. So - gritting my teeth all the way abnd holding my nose - I paid the fee. 4 cents per person, but the yearly fee for such a dubious "privilege" would be $228. I can't sell that one to my wife. No way. So, I paid just this once. For an email list.

You see, organizers have to pay those fees in order to even contact people in those groups. I paid $19 for the right to be able to contact that base of 500 potential activists. Extortion ? Whatever. Call it what you will, but the fees have decimated Meetup's user base.

So, let's take action. Let's get down to practical details :

How many hours of work and how much $  - programming hours, monthly server fees, and ancillary costs - would it cost to build and, far more crucially, maintain, a system which does everything that the Meetup.com system does ?

I am not asking that question in the abstract :

I am the co-founder of a new organization which is adapting free open source software to power its national discussion site. Now, I'm not a programmer (nor do I play one on TV )  but  I am working with one, and in my own project it has been the case that our part time volunteer programmer ( who is, admittedly, very talented ) will produce a software configuration that would be able to cover at least a portion of the services that Meetup.com has until recently provided  for free. Not all, but the potential  - with some work - is there.

So, I have at least an inkling -  and probably even more than that - of the dimensions of the problem and what would be required to construct a service that would replicate Meetup.com's service.

I'm guessing that about 10 part time programmers - good ones - could set up such a system in about a month. Maybe I'm off here - maybe it would take 20 talented volunteer programmers, plus a few graphics and web designers. OK.

For a national scale project which provides a key, crucial tool for grassroots organizing, that's not too high a hurdle.  There are most likely more than a few dozen good programmers with the necessary skills who would help with such a key venture.

In fact, there are almost certainly thousands.

What of the other requirements ?

Graphics and website designers ?  There's no lack of those specialists : check.

Legal, and other ancillary professional help ? : check.

Money to keep it running 24/7 month to month and year to year  ? :  OK, now we are talking.  Basically, this is one of the most fundable nonprofit 501c(3)  ventures I've ever seen. It's a no brainer.

Now, funding even the best of 501c(3) efforts can sometimes take a little time. OK then - perhaps fees are necessary.  Very small ones.  But I'm guesing that such a system could be set up - in the long run - as a free service that would, in essence, be a free public utility, like a library.

In terms of startup cash, the monthly server fee would be in the hundreds of dollars. That's doable on an ad-hoc basis while the venture got going.

Further, consider this : think of it this way : the DailyKos is financially viable simply from site traffic - and, the site runs off some fairly heavy duty servers, not run of the mill machinery.  The advertising revenue generated from site traffic alone,  from a new, free Meetup utility would possibly be enough, alone, to foot the bills.  Is the health of American Democracy worth the visual blight of a few ads ? Yes, it is.

Fund a utility key to American democracy with advertising ? How cheaply crass !

Well, whatever. It works well for Markos, and it can work well for this project. I'm looking for solutions that work, not haughty beauty-queen solutions which are afraid of getting their fingernails dirty. I'm looking for solutions that are lean, mean, fast, and cheap.

The staffing and funding needs of such an effort would be slight - basically, the task comes down to a largely automated, database driven software sytem which would require consistent but fairly minor amounts of human intervention.

So : can we build anew that which Meetup provided - a  free service that enables all who wish to use it to organize at the grassroots level, to revitalize a sagging culture of American civic participation ?

Yer darned tootin we can. Yes.

Ben Franklin would have approved, and he was not a radical or a threat to society but - rather - one of the preeminent community pillars of his day, a brilliant titan of bootstrapping.

Franklin founded what was probably the first public library in North America, and Franklin's motivations were certainly practical ones. He was quintessentially pragmatic, and the institution of free public libraries has served American Democracy well. For Democracy to thrive, the people must be educated and informed. Now, in our time, we face an analogous need. Franklin would have been right here, and surely he is in spirit.

Franklin would have looked at all of this silliness - the crashing and burning of Meetup.com that has happened as Meetup ran out of money and suddenly sprang what seems like an unbelievable and punitive fee structure on the very local leaders who were determined to revitalize democracy in their communities - and asked this :

Well, why don't we build it ourselves ? What is necessary ? Come on folks, step up and be counted. This is your patriotic duty - Democracy itself is at risk.

Without a healthy grassroots democratic culture, the most avaricious, venal elements - or simply those marked more by a thirst for power than by the creative imagination for new approaches that democracy so desperately needs -  will surely dominate the politial process. If we - the people - are not engaged, well then we deserve the government we get.

If we sit passively by while Meetup.com crashes and burns and the luminaries of the technorati and political class whisper, gossip, and cluck at the spectacle, what might be said of us, we who are also looking on at the spectacle ?

Could we rightly be called sheep ? Well, yes. If we don't take charge then we ARE sheep, lambs even, to the slaughter. Bah! B'aaah. Hey, where's that conveyor belt leading ?

OK. So you want to rise above the flock, to be more than a herd animal. We all have that ability and that right. Every one of us. All can lead.

SO:

No one is minding the store, and no one is working ( visibly at any rate ) to pull the survivors from the burning wreckage of the Meetup Hindenberg crash -

No one has stepped up to propose a plan which will fill this vast hole that has opened up in grassroots organizing.  Yes, there are many worthy individual grassroots efforts besides Meetup.com, but provide what Meetup.com provided - a free service that allowed all comers to self-organize as they saw fit.

I could criticize those who run Meetup.com for their astounding, sudden  recourse to a fee structure which punished those engaged activists who were working to rebuild democratic society.  Yes, that seemed like extortion -  as if  those who were running Meetup.com had decreed :

"If you want your painstakingly built meetup groups to continue, cough up the $ !"

Yes, that was an appallinglHere we be : a significant share of the prospects of the Democratic Party in the upcoming '06 elections have crashed and are burning fast. Time is of the essence. People scream from the wreckage, "save American Democracy", "Help!".y ill considered decision, and it raises the question - what can be said of Meetup.com's leadership culture that it apparently occured to none "of meetup's leaders to publicly air Meetup's financial difficulties or to simply present those financial woes to Meetup's users, to ask those users what sort of fees they would be willing to bear ?

Yes, the incongruity of that  - as the managers of a service that sought to revitalize American Democracy and civic engagement treated the venture like a 90's DotCom crash 'n burn operation rather than as a sacred public trust, such that they burned through whatever startup capital they had and then considered it somehow appropriate to suddenly levy whopping fees on key members  rather than to present the finanncial shortfall to let the people who were using the service propose a solution or hold a bake sale.... the impoverishment of leadership and the abnegation of responsibility inherent in that... - the painful lack of wilingness on the part of Meetups' leaders to make the management of the effort  transparent and even a teensy bit democratic is astounding.

Agreed.

The health of American democracy is not a concern to be treated as a private country club venture : it is a scared public trust.  Yes.

That said, what are you going to do about it ?

I am setting up a blogspot site and a dedicated email address : I have some specific ideas on what can be done, on how to proceed. And, I welcome your ideas and your talents.

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  •  would be a great way (4.00 / 3)

    for Dems to raise money, to start their own meet up type of business (yes it is a business).

    I think there are other things out there like meetup, but we could create one that is much better.  I would propose that maybe the venues would pay a fee, especially if those who attend the meetups spend money at the place they meet.

    Maybe a $10 per month charge for the venue to be listed as a meeting place?

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    by SanJoseLady on Sun May 29, 2005 at 09:05:22 AM PDT

  •  I have to go now.... (4.00 / 4)

    Yes, Let's talk about it.

    I've set up a blog at :

    Blogger

    There's no content yet : this post took my entire morning to write, and now I have to go.

    Here's my shameless pitch :

    Help save grassroots organizing in America, and please recommend this post.

    Something must be done.  

  •  It's impractical (none / 0)

    Fundamentally I don't think the software which drives meetup.com is that complex.

    I've developed a couple of community websites, and intend on working on some features to enable those communities to do more with invitation services similar to evite.  Regardless, what has made those communities function so well is really the fact that they are small.

    Thus a $20 a month hosting fee is all they need to survive.  At that point, it can simply be covered by someone who is interested in continuing the work.

    But the problem with meetup is that it's a fair amount of work with a fairly high volume of traffic.  They have full-time employees, who handle complaints.  They have to have a source of revenue to sustain that model.

    Which is clearly why they choose to impose the fee.

    I think it's highly worthwhile, and it would be nice to create something similar, but I think it needs to be loosely coupled and distributed down to state/local levels.

    (0.00,-3.13) "I may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall defend, to the death, your right to say it."

    by Steve4Clark on Sun May 29, 2005 at 09:25:07 AM PDT

    •  not only that (none / 0)

      but they had to handle things such as dealing with the venues. As a meetup leader for Dean, I was in contact with them fairly often and they were ALWAYS having to stay on top of venues and other technical details. I often wondered how they were pulling it off with no revenue stream.

      Unfortunately I think that while the meetup idea is a great one, the model needs some serious tweaking to be even remotely self-sufficient. Part of that would probably end up requiring some exclusivity, for example setting it up for the exclusive use of dem/green activists, and leaving out the knitting groups and star wars fan meetups. This way the usage is kept to a manageable level and support is easier to provide.

      •  Well... (none / 0)

        "they were ALWAYS having to stay on top of venues and other technical details." : such demands are inherent to top-down, highly managed models.

        Why did Meetup need to micromanage a bazillion venues ? Didn't they trust "the people" ? And, if they distrusted "the people", wasn't that an unsurmountable contradiction ?

        Or, can a business set up to facillitate democracy  function in an inherently anti-democratic fashion ?

        ___  

        "...leaving out the knitting groups and star wars fan meetups" - Perhaps. That might be a very smart practical consideration to pay attention to, yes.

    •  I'm confused..... (none / 0)

      If I could be so bold as to restate some of your points above : "Meetups' services are simple and easy to replicate, and so to do that would be impractical - but those services are also very complex" ( and hence - I suppose - very valuable).

      My head is spinning.  

      "I think it needs to be loosely coupled and distributed down to state/local levels." - I agree very strongly with this point.

  •  Rating (none / 0)

    400, not 4 or 40

    Let me suggest that there are vast numbers of quilters, collectors of 1/8 scale model trains, goths, technogeeks, LARPers, not to mention people with all manner of poltiical opinions, who would benefit from this, even though voting for the Democratic Party is not on their list of priorities.  Once the software works, if it is any good it is scaleable, and the fixed costs can be divided among more people.  You will have Republicans on the list, but their investment will pay for your activity.

    That's their reasonable investment.  If Meetup.com had asked for $10 a year, many people would have agreed, and there would have been an income stream.

    I confess at the front end I thought meetup.com was part of the Dean campaign, and represented a brilliant way to take corporate contributions for a political campaign without doing anything that is  other than totally proper and (if you are an antrepreneurial capitalist Republic) highly meritorious.

  •  Whoo Hoo! (4.00 / 2)

    Once again, my "idiot class" of professionals strikes!

    Yep, lets make sure we work out the costs of this just being the server. Actual software professionals writing code? No value add there! We exist to donate free code as needed!

    Of course, the campaign consultants and upscale kiddies woking on said campaigns will still be paid actual money. The campaign lawyers will still be paid actual money. Etc..., etc...

    But code jockeys? We exist to provide everyone else with free tools! Free up that organizing money to pay more consultants, media buyers,  and upscale kiddies!

    The sad thing is there are indeed idiots out there who will leap forth and do freebies, while everyone else takes a paycheck.

    •  Hoo indeed... (none / 1)

      You are spot on, ElitistJohn. I am forever amazed at the amateur attitude that thinks everything should be free. How do you all pay your bills?

      Meetup.com was a hero. It is one of the rare companies that can justly claim to have invented a new new thing. But now they suck because the people that work there need to eat. Sigh.

    •  idiots? (4.00 / 2)

      I spend about 10-20% of my hours doing pro bono work for family, friends and causes I believe in.  I also spend my own time, at times, developing ideas that I think can provide me revenue down the road.  Why would you question someone's motivation to donate some time, equating them as an idiot?  Are you trying to discourage someone who may want to contribute in some way they seem fit?
      •  Because (none / 1)

        No one else is. I'm not seeing Bob Shrum decalre that he's rich enough, and will devote the rest of his life to working for free to get Democrats elected. Why aren't all campaign consultants just doing this stuff for free with 10-20% of their time? Same with staff.

        Why is it that only the geeks are automatically the freebie labor with little to no backend payout?

        And yes, folks volunteering to freebie undercut others in their industry for daring to want an actual paycheck are idiots.

        Let me put in to you this way. Why do the same people who expect freebie software/web tool support "Buy Union"?

        •  Ahh (none / 0)

          An ElitistJohn after my own heart.

          I'm willing to volunteer.  But I refuse to volunteer for someone who is going to go off and make money from my work.

          I see nothing wrong with that attitude.

          (0.00,-3.13) "I may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall defend, to the death, your right to say it."

          by Steve4Clark on Sun May 29, 2005 at 03:18:22 PM PDT

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        •  Assumptions (none / 0)

          Why aren't all campaign consultants just doing this stuff for free with 10-20% of their time? Same with staff.

          Well, I'm certainly not advocating everyone donate 10-20% of their time to anything.  But that said, to disparage those who do undercuts the whole concept of community.  

          Why is it that only the geeks are automatically the freebie labor with little to no backend payout?

          Only the geeks?  First of all, lots of people donate their time in all walks of life.  I personally know lawyers, accountants, pr people, healing arts people, carpenters and more everyday folk who are happy to lend a helping hand for something they believe in, be it a friend or family member, or a greater cause such as the Democratic Party.  

          Regarding the backend payout, my extensive work experience with geeks and as a quasi-geek at times is that geeks often don't have a good head for business.  They are neck deep in code, and love the intracacies of problem-solving and linear thinking, but they don't have a firm grasp of the big picture and particularly the business aspect of it.  Often the greatest stress within a company is between biz dev and programming (and I'm not pointing fingers, because biz dev people are sorely lacking in their ability to understand and manage project scope).

          And so, not having a head for business means that the geek doesn't look out for his or herself, and doesn't get that backend payout that perhaps a lawyer or accountant would.  Why can't a geek donate time with the written understanding that they would get, say, a bonus, or a full-time gig or stock upon funding for a project?

          And yes, folks volunteering to freebie undercut others in their industry for daring to want an actual paycheck are idiots.

          Well, volunteering and collecting a paycheck are not mutually exclusive.  I make my money, and I volunteer some of my time.  We're not talking here about a 50k a year position being undercut by someone who is willing to do all the work pro bono.  We're talking about someone volunteering their own time to get a project off the ground.  And if the project develops to a point where a full-time coder can be employed, then that geek should be first in line for the position.

          Again, it does not make me an idiot to volunteer some of my time to anything, even if the person I'm helping out would have farmed out $250 or $1000 or $50,000 worth of work.  

          Would I be an idiot if I bid on a project for $10,000 and won it over someone who had bid $15,000?  Not if I can be profitable doing so.  Would I have undercut the other person bidding?  Yes, and that's a free market.  The other person is not entitled to it any more than I am.

          Let me put in to you this way. Why do the same people who expect freebie software/web tool support "Buy Union"?

          Huh, really?  I can't imagine that there is any direct correlation between these two things.  Asking for help on a project is not a left or right or political thing in any way.

          If a coder or lawyer or artist want to donate their time, then great.  They are not an idiot.

    •  It soundsas if you have been burned a few times. (none / 0)

      Open source software is, well...

      As mainstream as IBM.

      So what - specifically - is your gripe ?

      Do you think I am affiliated with a political campaign or other paid interest looking to enlist volunteer programming talent ?

      You would be wrong.

  •  Ummm... (4.00 / 3)

    ... this being fairly old news you may have missed that Democracy for America is working on building meetup replacement tools into their own web site.

    Also, the civicspace folks are working on meetup/event type tools on their version of drupal.

    I think there are a few others also rushing in to fill the gap.

    I suspect that this really will not be much of a problem for us and that we will have myriad options available to us. The problem will be determining which one is the best fit.

    Full Disclosure: I am Chair of the Darius Shahinfar for Congress Campaign Committee in NY-21.

    by Andrew C White on Sun May 29, 2005 at 09:54:42 AM PDT

  •  My background is (none / 0)

    in internet marketing, online advertising, campaign and media planning so if there is some need there, feel free to contact me.
  •  Importance of this this project (none / 0)

    can't be overestimated.  I'm working on a project of my own creation to try to reach out to one small Republcan community in California.  Here in the Bay Area, we have 1600 members just in the Oakland meetup, but Bakersfiled only has 160.  We've got thousands of tools where I am, but my hometown only has the one.

    Lemme chew on this and check out your stuff.  I think the big idea is going to be getting creative with revenue streams.

    A good plan today is better than a perfect plan tomorrow.

    by Webster on Sun May 29, 2005 at 10:04:56 AM PDT

  •  Bakersfield, not Bakersfiled (none / 0)

    You say Bakersfield, I say Bakersfiled but I won't call anything off.

    A good plan today is better than a perfect plan tomorrow.

    by Webster on Sun May 29, 2005 at 10:08:01 AM PDT

  •  We're working on it (none / 1)

    I, along with some others, are working on a new site, at least for Texas politics.  I'll post here when it's ready, but it should be something like dailykos, meetup, and a few other things combined.  For now it will just focus on Texas-relevent politics, but the software that is being used is easily set up elsewhere, and once all the tweaks and features are set up, the model can be easily applied elsewhere.
    •  Sharing the setup (none / 0)

      Good work.  I think this is one of the greatest things you can do.  

      Too often people get caught up trying to solve everything at once and overlook these things which can not only help themselves but can be spread to others and, in the end, make a very large impact.

      My local Democrat organization has a terrible webpage.  And many areas don't even have that.  So your tweaked software coupled with kos readers adopting local democrat or progressive sites could really make a difference.

      Good luck and please let us know how it's progressing.

      •  Sure thing (none / 0)

        I just registered the domain last week, so once the DNS stuff is done and my provider has it set up, I'll start on the software.  I worked on something like this last year to set up a site for reluctant Kerry voters, but the person I was making it for decided to not do anything with it, so I just set it up to automatically mirror posts of the Kerry blog.  It was a failure, from a user standpoint, but gave me some good experience setting up a web site for multiple users.
  •  excellent idea (none / 0)

    and one definitely worth our efforts. i am not a code jockey, but i can offer to help salvage and organize some of the orphaned groups and whatnot here in NY. (i'm sure i have some contact info for a good number of those folks already.) i could also help organize others doing the same around the country.

    it's a fabulous idea that deserves our attention. recommend this sucker. given the front page posts of late about open source this and that, this might be a fine post to front page as well. any front pagers listenin'?

    "after the Rapture, we get all their shit"

    It's time: the albany project.

    by lipris on Sun May 29, 2005 at 10:15:53 AM PDT

  •  Why won't (none / 1)

    Yahoo Groups serve as a decent-enough substitute for Meet-Up? An announcement on the Kos homepage about various Kos groups on Yahoo seems to me to be adequate. Why expend a lot of time and energy re-inventing the wheel? Or am I missing something?

    Bushie, you're doin' a heckuva job!

    by millennialpaine on Sun May 29, 2005 at 10:16:36 AM PDT

    •  I think (none / 0)

      we're looking at reaching beyond dKos -- bringing diverse groups of people together for a common cause.

      I looked into Meetup.com a few times, and signed up for the pro-gay marriage meetups (though there never seemed to be one in my neck of the woods). Maybe this new site can go beyond just "meetups" and actually be a "call to action" on the issues of the day. What if, through say a progressive religions meetup group, media outlets got deluged with email right after one of Dobson's or Robertson's idiotic pronouncements?

      "Old soldiers never die -- they get young soldiers killed." -- Bill Maher

      by Cali Scribe on Sun May 29, 2005 at 11:16:18 AM PDT

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      •  Sounds good (none / 0)

        I'm merely talking about the social networking app to enable bringing people together. BTW, Yahoo 360, which is a more technologically sophisticated way for people of like minds to find each other than Yahoo Groups, is now in beta.

        Bushie, you're doin' a heckuva job!

        by millennialpaine on Sun May 29, 2005 at 11:44:20 AM PDT

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    •  Well... (none / 0)

      Why didn't the Daily Kos process emerge out of Yahoo Groups ?
  •  Just a question (none / 0)

    Does anyone know where to find proof of the "95% of Meetup users have fled" claim?  I'm just curious.

    I haven't gone yet, but it's in the works.

    •  Yes.... (none / 0)

      Those numbers are congruent with Meetup.com's figures. Also, see a Google search on "meetup.com, fees" : if you dig into the search, you will notice that the list of Meetup groups boycotting Meetup's new fees are - well - in practical terms endless.

         Here are tonight's stats. [ from May 17 ]

          Total Topics: 5468
          Total Groups: 187,253 (+111)
          Groups without organizers: 178,701 (+33,554)
          Groups with organizers: 8,552 (-33,443)

          Wow... I have to admit I'm truly impressed at the number of groups that meetup has killed off at this point. I wonder how many more will go as the M+ folks start dropping off.

      I have to say this number really shocked me. From what Hillary had said last month there was 7,500 M+ memberships. I was really hoping that almost all of those would still be in place now and that most of the people who had M+ memberships would have multiple memberships. That with the a small but decent number of people having paid who also were having multiple memberships would make them easily have around the 23,000 that I had thougt possible.

      It is obvious that a large number of those M+ memberships have expired or they have almost no one who has paid seperately. This doesn't look good for Meetup.com to stay in business throughout the year.

      BTW, I won't be doing a chart tonight since there is such a huge drop that it makes any graph of the losses almost worthless.

  •  Crazy me, I paid for the M+ membership (none / 0)

     and my fee is $9.00 per month now for the use of the meetup for my DFA group.  I have a distribution list of over 2000 people, I can't do this through my regular email, plus I have the message board and other things that are helpful.

      Instead of re-inventing the wheel and risk losing all the data in meetup,  why can't we work with meetup.com and figure out how they can be bailed out?

      Everything is there, their problem was giving it away for so long, unless someone knows something different?

     

  •  Please, Don't Jump the Troutfish (none / 1)

    This is being built. Help the projects in process please.
    Civicgroups
    Civicspace
    Blogspot site

    Civicspace is the well funded nonprofit evolution of DeanSpace, the software that powered the organization of local Dean groups across the country. Most Democracy for America sites are using CivicSpace. Please support this work. Really, the meetup components are nearly almost all there now, just being bug checked and tweaked.

    •  In other words.... (none / 0)

      This is being built ? Well, good. But, that doesn't really help me much. A timeframe and a public announcement  - "project X will fill Y function on Z date" - would help me much more.

      Without that, your assertion that this is all being taken care of simply makes me scratch my head and also gives me the feeling that your message is :

      "Never mind, good citizen, move along".

      I can see grassroots organizing in pitifull disarray in my backyard. And yet you are telling me things are under control and that better heads are minding the store ?

      They are not. The clock ticks, and possibilities vanish. This is not a game.

      I'm well aware of CivicSpace - a fine effort. However, I'm not talking about a software deficit  here. I'm talking of a leadership deficit. CivicSpace is under development, and I do not live in "development space". I'm calling attention to immediate and pressing needs, not to promising projects under development.    

      "...the meetup components are nearly almost all there now, just being bug checked and tweaked."

      So: months ? Years ?

      We have no more time to wait. There are tools - which can be quickly deployed - available now.  

  •  Do you think you could get a grant (none / 0)

    and assistance from the Tides foundation? Fits with their mission.

    No matter how far down the wrong road you've gone, turn back.

    by Joan in Seattle on Sun May 29, 2005 at 11:40:47 AM PDT

  •  Houston Kos (none / 0)


    I created a Yahoo group for Houston.  It's called HoustoKos.

    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HoustoKos

    I can't say that I will be organizer.  I'm hoping someone else will step up to bat.  But if push comes to shove, I CAN organize.  

    I may not be quite as liberal as most of the Kossacks, but I am as social!!  :-D

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