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Countdown to 100$ oil (2) - the views of the elites on peak oil

Fri Jun 24, 2005 at 03:34:38 AM PDT

With oil prices having finally breached the 60$/bl limit, another "countdown" diary is certainly warranted! But I'll take this from another angle, which is: how this is vievew by out "global elites" in the West.

hfiend pointed me out earlier this week to a new study by CERA, a well respected energy consultancy, about peak oil. I have no way to access that study, which is for customers only, but CERA has kindly promised a short summary here.

Interestingly, both the Financial Times and Le Monde, the two highest brow papers in the UK and France, have also published some highly visible articles on peak oil in recent days (in the FT's case, a text by Martin Wolf, their senior economic editor, and in the case of Le Monde, 3 articles with a front page headline).

So let's hear their views.

Let's start with the articles by the FT and Le Monde. Both read in a similar fashion, i.e. as introductions to the concept of peak oil to their readers and, it seems, to the writers of the articles themselves, and they follow similar premises:

  • oil is getting pretty expensive, at close to 60$/bl;

  • they describe in more or less detail the current market factors that generate this: strong demand growth, limited spare capacity today;

  • they flag the long term fact that reserves are finite and that there will be a peak at some point.

Here they diverge somewhat:

While Le Monde is more alarmist in its description of peak oil, providing worrying quotes from the boss of Shell and providing suggested dates for peak oil (Total, 2030, Jean Lahererre, 2015, Colin Campbell, 2006, these last two being the founders of ASPO), they end up on a more reassuring note, with the usual arguments that oil companies have significantly improved their recovery rates, and that they will start developing unconventional reserves (ultra deep offshore, artic, heavy oils and oil sands). Le Monde publishes a separate article discussing French major Total's plans in all these sectors, as well as an interview with Gerard Mestrallet, CEO of Suez, one of the largest European utilities, who concludes that nuclear is the only reasonable option in this context.

FT's Martin Wolf goes the other way round: he starts with the International Energy Agency's (still rosy) scenarios for 2030 and looks how realistic these are. His conclusions, for someone who writes explicitly that he knows little about the specific topic of oil reserves, are quite interesting:


Predictions are always dangerous. High oil prices could, once again, generate low prices a few years down the road, as adjustments work through supply and demand. Exactly this happened in the 1980s. Yet three conclusions seem plausible: first, the pressures of demand are bound to be strong as what Lady Thatcher once called "the great car economy" comes to Asia; second, the world will become increasingly dependent on Opec and, above all, on Gulf producers, which are sitting on 62 per cent of the world's proven reserves; and, finally, high oil prices could well be a feature of much of the next few decades.

Sustained high prices should themselves encourage investment in innovation. But governments can help by supporting research in alternatives. They could also do something to encourage responsible use of this valuable resource. The US is particularly wasteful in its use of energy and could usefully do much more to encourage both conservation and investment in new technologies.

Prometheus was not only the giver of fire. His name also means "forethought". If our descendants are to enjoy the gift of abundant energy, that is a virtue we also need to show. At the moment, however, it seems more remarkable for its absence.

He focuses on the right things:

  • a big chunk of the developing world is entering or about to enter the "age of the car", and everything indicates that people are willing to pay significant amounts to have the freedom associated with a car, and that their consumption is not very elastic to oil price increases. Thus, limiting demand will be really hard;

  • everything points to a non-OPEC peak very soon. Martin Wolf notes that OPEC production has to double in the next 25 years to catch up with expected demand; he also quotes a study which shows that OPEC will have little rational interest to do so;

  • his conclusion is therefore that, irrespective of how this actually unfolds, significantly higher prices are very likely ("high enough to choke off additional demand").

From these articles, we can note the following:

  • the concept of peak oil is steadily gaining mainstream acceptance, and you read more and more about it from very creditable sources. This is a good thing as awareness of the issue grows, which increases the chances of a more rational discussion on energy policy;

  • an acknowledgement that oil prices will remain high. At least high enough to allow for unconventional fuels and new technologies  to be developed and used, and possibly much higher;

I find Martin Wolf's piece particlarly striking in that he only uses very official sources (the International Energy Agency, the US Dept. of Energy, BP statitstics), and reaches pretty pessimistic conclusions. Remember that the guy is a highly renowned economic writer, he is generally a "market optimist", and his recent book "Why globalisation works" is the best defense of the phenomenon to have been written. Le Monde still sounds like they are in denial, despite providing much more specific information on peak oil.

Let's now turn to the CERA study. Again, the comments below come only from their press release, and not their detailed study.

Their vision is deliberately optimistic:


Despite current fears that oil will soon "run out," global oil production capacity is actually set to increase dramatically over the rest of this decade, according to a new report by Cambridge Energy Research Associates (CERA).  As a result, supply could exceed demand by as much as 6 to 7.5 million barrels per day (mbd) later in the decade, a marked contrast to the  razor-sharp balance between strong demand growth and tight supply that is currently reflected in high oil prices hovering around $60 a barrel.

In a rigorous new field-by-field, bottom-up analysis of the world's capability to produce hydrocarbon liquids, Worldwide Liquids Capacity Outlook To 2010-- Tight Supply Or Excess Of Riches, CERA indicates that worldwide capacity could rise by as much as 16 mbd between 2004 and 2010 --  a 20 percent increase over the period.

This significant expansion in liquids productive capacity will  meet volatile and expanding demand later in this decade and beyond, according to the CERA report.

Actually, they do acknowledge that peak oil will happen, but they see it as an "undulating plateau":


The CERA analysis rejects the current fear that a near-term "peak" in world oil production and a coming exhaustion of supply are near.  The report indicates that the "inflexion" point will come in the third or fourth decade of this century.  Moreover, rather than a "peak," it will be an "undulating plateau" that will continue for several decades.

They focus on non-conventional oils to provide much of the supply growth:


Jackson and Esser argue that "unconventional" oil will play a much larger role in the growth of supply than is currently recognized.  These unconventional oils include condensates, natural gas liquids (NGLs), extra heavy oils (such as Canadian oil sands), and the ultra-deepwater (greater than 2,500 feet deep).  By 2020, they could be almost 35 percent of supply.

The interesting thing in the report is that they provide country by country analysis, but the press release only provides sketchy details (for instance that non-OPEC production will grow by 7.5 mb/d by 2010, most of that coming from Brazil, Angola, Canada, Russia and the Caspian, and that Saudi production will increase by 1.5 mb/d. The US would decline by only 5%.) It is hard to critique the se numbers without seeing the details, but these numbers seem very optimistic to me:

  • All news from Russia point to a stagnation of production in the coming years;
  • the decline in the US in 2004 alone was 5%;
  • both the Caspian and Angola are set to increase production by at most 1 mb/d each by 2010;
  • most of OPEC production increases would come from outside Saudi Arabia. Do they have Iraq in mind? Iran? Lybia? I don't have enough information but that sounds strange to me.

The focus on NGLs is a valid point, as most of the oil majors are now developing more gas reserves than oil reserves, and NGLs are a (valuable) by product of gas production. For instance, more than 90% of ExxonMobil's reserve additions in 2004 came from their shares in Qatari gas developments. The gas is commercialised in the form of LNG, but LNG production is accompanied by significant volumes of high quality oils that are extracted from the gas (See here about Qatar, for instance, which produces 700,000 b/d of NGLs, or two thirds of its liquids production, in parallel to its LNG. With LNG production set to more than triple by 2010 in that country, LPG production from Qatar could presumably grow by 2 mb/d - but they have the biggest LNG inverstment plans in the world by far and have access to the biggest and richest gas field on the planet, so there would not be so much coming from elsewhere).

Still, CERA expects unconventional oils to go from less than 20 mb/d now to more than 30 mb/d. I suppose that depends on the definition of unconventional, and especially where you draw the line offshore between conventional (not so deep) and unconventional (very deep). For instance, most of Angola's coming production will come from very deep offshore, as will most of Brazil's, and a lot of US production in the Gulf of Mexico. But an additional 10 mb/d? That sounds like a lot of oil to be coming on stream, that presumably the oil markets would know of...

The press releases makes no mention of the decline of existing fields, so it is hard to know what hypotheses they make about this (beyond their mention of a very small overall decline of US production)

On the pricing side, CERA is also resolutely optimistic:


The balance of supply over demand has the potential to expand significantly over the next five years, and this could drive oil prices to the downside.  If demand growth averages a relatively strong 2.2% through 2010, prices could weaken from recent record highs and slip well below $40/bbl as 2007-08 nears.  If demand growth were notably weaker, a steeper price fall would be conceivable; however such a fall would likely slow capacity expansion and bring a market rebalance within two to three years.

While they implicitly acknowledge that high prices may remain for a couple of years, they thus see the trend being downwards, as all of that mooted supply comes on line.

This is not what the futures markets have in mind, with 2010 futures significantly above 40 and more now.

As I have said, and do believe, that they have a good reputation, it is hard to imagine them doing such an announcement without some hard data to back it up. They are certainly in a better position than me to comment on individual countries and fields, but I still remain doubtful of the numbers they have chosen to put forward In their press release. So, color me skeptical but not in a position to say much more.

So I will hide behind Martin Wolf to conclude that high prices are not only very likely, they are also very necessary...

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    •  increasing capacity (none / 1)

      The CERA study predicts a 16 mbd increase in capacity between 2004 and 2010, but with declining producers already losing more than 1 mbd each year, a net increase of 16 mbd would require closer to 25 mbd of new oil production coming online.  That's two and a half new Saudi Arabias.  I would really have to take a good look at their data before believing that.
      •  same question (none / 0)

        their press release is not clear on whether the production increases are gross or net increases. In either case, they need to opine on production declines elsewhere, which, as I have pointed out, they don't really do.

        I have trouble finding the volumes they mention as gross increases, so it is even harder as net increases, especially with the kinds of numbers they are talking about.

      •  CERA may be an "authority" but... (none / 1)

        they do have track-record problems.
        It's a fact that natural gas production in the US has peaked and is in decline.
        Immediately prior to this fact becoming evident what did CERA have to say about US NG production?

        U.S. Natural Gas
        [...]
        The supply response -- new exploration and development -- has been slow in coming. Greater investment is needed in exploration as well as in development areas. Nevertheless, CERA expects supply to begin to show year-over-year increases in the United States toward the end of 2000, and in Canada supply growth is at last expected to be evident this spring.

        http://www20.cera.com/gasoline/testimony/1,2232,,00.html

        The waves carry up little bits of knowledge and deposit them on the shore, and before you know it you've got Finland. Or whatever.

        by dougr on Fri Jun 24, 2005 at 09:27:32 AM PDT

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    •  Question (none / 0)

      This paper seems to suggest an attractive alternative. I don't know if you've heard of James Kunstler, but he seems to feel we're pretty much f#cked. I don't know what your area of expertise is, but what do you think? Honestly, I think we're pretty much f#cked.
      •  The problem with biodiesel (none / 1)

        Is generating enough biomass.  I ran the numbers a while back (can't find the link) on using soybeans to create biodiesel, and discovered that we couldn't produce anywhere near enough soybeans to cover our gas requirements.  Like, not within a factor of ten enough.  Other plants may be more productive, but I doubt they'll be 10 times more productive.

        "History does not always repeat itself. Sometimes it just yells, 'Can't you remember anything I told you?' and lets fly with a club." --John W. Campbell

        by bhurt on Fri Jun 24, 2005 at 06:44:27 AM PDT

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        •  exactly (none / 0)

          That goes for algae, switchgrass, and turkey parts, too.  Without cheap oil, we are going to have trouble producing enough food to feed our populations.  There's no way we'll grow enough biomass crops to replace gasoline, too!

          "Anyone who believes exponential growth can go on forever in a finite world is either a madman or an economist." - Kenneth Boulding, economist

          by randym77 on Fri Jun 24, 2005 at 06:46:44 AM PDT

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        •  Did you read the paper?? (none / 0)

          The physicist that wrote it directly addresses this question. He seems to answer it satifactorily, unless he's lying.
          •  Running the numbers again (none / 0)

            US Oil Consumption: ~20 million bbl/day, times 365 days per year = about 7.3 billion bbls/year.  OK, this is 2001 estimated, but it gives us a rough idea.  On barrel of oil produces about 20 gallons of gasoline (see here), so we need about 140 billion gallons of gas per year.  Diesel is somewhat more efficient- let's assume we only need 70 billion gallons of diesel instead of the 140 billion gallons of gasoline.

            US Soybean production: 2,382 million bushels.  This statistic dates from 1996, but I doubt it's changed much.  Assume we're underproducing by a factor of two.  But then, remember that almost none of the current soybean crop goes to biodiesel, and the current uses for soybeans aren't going away.  So assume we have about 2 billion bushels per year of soybeans available for making biodiesel.  And this is being generous- living in a farm state, no way is a third of the farm land going unused.  The mythology of farmers being paid to not grow things is right up there with the mythology of welfare mothers driving cadillacs to pick up their welfare checks.

            One bushel of soybeans makes about 1.5 gallons of biodiesel, according to here.

            So 2 billion bushels of soybeans makes about 3 billion gallons of biodiesel- rather shy of the 70 billion gallons of biodiesel we would need.

            Yeah, these numbers are crude- but I've tended to favor biodiesel, so if anything the real situation is probably going to be worse.  Soybeans don't come withing an order of magnitude (10 times) of what we need.  Now, maybe other crops will do better.  But they'd have to do a hell of a lot better.

            Especially as this allows for no growth in demand.  Even if another crop was 10 times as productive, we could switch over, but we couldn't grow.  There just simply isn't the productive land.

            "History does not always repeat itself. Sometimes it just yells, 'Can't you remember anything I told you?' and lets fly with a club." --John W. Campbell

            by bhurt on Fri Jun 24, 2005 at 01:51:50 PM PDT

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        •  You're right. (none / 0)

          Ecologically speaking, can you imagine the amount of land that would have to be converted to cropland to supply our biodiesel needs?  Such a move would be far more damaging than the current CBM rush in the West.
        •  Actually (none / 0)

          Biodiesel from algae farms, and biodiesel from biomass, is way more productive than soy. I don't know the number, but ask your questions here. Biodiesel IS feasible. I'm always trying to get the word out. The numbers do add up. The ones with soy don't, but biodiesel from soy is simply another market for what's alreayd being grown for food, not a serious attempt at a biodiesel crop. We can produce all the biodiesel necessary to replace fossil fuels using less land than we currently use for farm animals.

          Biodiesel IS feasible!!!!
  •  Libya seems like a good ... (4.00 / 4)

    ...bet. Upgrading the infrastructure ought to be good for a few hundred thousand barrels a day, and much of the desert has not yet seen a seismic assault. As for the Saudis, well, I'll believe that when they're actually pumping 11 m/bpd and somebody else is doing the counting.

    I am an anti-imperialist. I am opposed to having the eagle put its talons on any other land. -- Mark Twain

    by Meteor Blades on Fri Jun 24, 2005 at 03:43:39 AM PDT

  •  Is there a tipping point? (none / 0)

    Is there a near-term tipping point at which $60+ per bbl oil begins to depress the high-consumption economies, particularly the shaky US economy, resulting in lower demand?

    Some folks prefer a map and finding their own route. Others need someone to tell them where to go.

    by sxwarren on Fri Jun 24, 2005 at 03:50:38 AM PDT

    •  tipping poiint (none / 0)

           There has to be at some point but at what point do Americans change their behavior. I remember gas virtually tripling in price overnight, 1973-1974. People changed the way the drove. carpooling ect., I don't see any of that now. If we don't slow demand. The price will continue to increase. The privately owned automobile will become a luxury.

      CHRISTIAN, n. One who believes that the New Testament is a divinely inspired book admirably suited to the spiritual needs of his neighbor. A. Bierce

      by irate on Fri Jun 24, 2005 at 06:09:22 AM PDT

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      •  i heard that the prices in the 70s (none / 0)

        doubled and then a few days later doubled again.  let's say we had $8/gal gasoline; would grocery store corporate hq want to continue to supply grocery stores in say rural alabama?  or in maine?  or arizona?  how much will a gallon of milk cost when it costs exponentially more to move it?

        on a personal note, will i get to work from home more?  Bring It On.

        Hey, wait a minute, there's one guy holding both puppets!

        by mediaprisoner on Fri Jun 24, 2005 at 06:33:10 AM PDT

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        •  The future. (none / 0)

               There's a small Amish colony in Arthur IL, a little south of where I'm at(Champaign). Maybe I should put in an order for a buggy.
               Honestly I don't know what is going to happen but the days of Cheap gas are numbered. It's going to be a painful adjustment.

          CHRISTIAN, n. One who believes that the New Testament is a divinely inspired book admirably suited to the spiritual needs of his neighbor. A. Bierce

          by irate on Fri Jun 24, 2005 at 07:06:10 AM PDT

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          •  The Amish (none / 0)

            They aren't as low-tech as you'd think.  They can't own tractors, but they rent them.  They use our medical system.  They use kerosene, which is petroleum-derived.  Etc.

            "Anyone who believes exponential growth can go on forever in a finite world is either a madman or an economist." - Kenneth Boulding, economist

            by randym77 on Fri Jun 24, 2005 at 07:33:27 AM PDT

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            •  Amish (none / 0)

                    They do some funny things. They can use internal combustion engines as long as it's not in the house, a gas power saw-mill is ok apparently. They can ride in a truck but can't drive and have to sit on a board instead of the seat. The Amish kids come into Arthur and let the other kids drive their buggys while they drive cars. I guess there are "Amish" and "Reformed Amish". I think the local congregation must decide how strict to be and what is allowed or ignored.
                    When MTV started to do all the unplugged stuff my idea was to put together a band called " The Electric Amish".

              CHRISTIAN, n. One who believes that the New Testament is a divinely inspired book admirably suited to the spiritual needs of his neighbor. A. Bierce

              by irate on Fri Jun 24, 2005 at 08:24:04 AM PDT

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          •  Hey! (none / 0)

            I'm in Urbana!

            I don't see much of a change in behavior around here. I wonder if bus ridership is up.

            There are too many of us who have withdrawn into our private lives because we think public life has nothing to offer. That has to change. -- BHO, 2004

            by LBK on Fri Jun 24, 2005 at 07:39:05 AM PDT

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            •  Urbana (none / 0)

                   Hi Urbana. I haven't ridden the bus in years but doubt it's that different. The parking lots at the local high schools seem to be filled to capacity.
                    Are you one of the Urbana bozo's?

              CHRISTIAN, n. One who believes that the New Testament is a divinely inspired book admirably suited to the spiritual needs of his neighbor. A. Bierce

              by irate on Fri Jun 24, 2005 at 09:11:34 AM PDT

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        •  Cost increases (none / 0)

          Please be careful about such cost and price generalizations.  What percentage of the consumer-level price of a gallon of milk do you think is attributable to the cost of oil (not the cost of energy, but just oil)?  5%?  10%?  Multiply that portion of the price by 4 (which I think overstates the oil price increase we'll see within the next 5 years--$240/barrel oil?), and you get a price increase for milk, but nothing close to a tipping point that would halt production or distribution.

          Assuming milk's price is 10% due to oil price (a high estimate, in my opinion), then multiplying oil's price by 4 adds 30% to the price of milk.  That would impact low-income households, to be sure, but it wouldn't mean the end of milk availability.

      •  you can't build a rail system in a year (none / 0)

        working a job 10 miles from where you live to pay the bills you've got to pay makes it hard to change behavior quickly. bus systems can be rapidly deployed, i guess. what i wonder about is airlines. will there be any commercial airlines left after the s.h.t.f.?

        Democrats are Right.

        by subminimal7 on Fri Jun 24, 2005 at 08:16:02 AM PDT

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    •  no tipping point (none / 0)

      The price spikes in the '70s were sudden and sharp.  The rise this time has been slower and more gradual.  People have had time to get used to higher prices.  So I don't think there will be a sudden "tipping point."  More a gradual unwinding.  It's the working poor who will be hardest hit, of course.  

      "Anyone who believes exponential growth can go on forever in a finite world is either a madman or an economist." - Kenneth Boulding, economist

      by randym77 on Fri Jun 24, 2005 at 06:58:53 AM PDT

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      •  Tipping point (none / 1)

        I think the tipping point will come from the economy, not oil directly. So, one day when oil hits $75, the market tanks, you begin to see a decline in trade, which exacerbates all the pricing issues, which about two weeks later looks like a tipping point.

        This is the way democracy ends Not with a bomb But with a gavel -Max Baucus

        by emptywheel on Fri Jun 24, 2005 at 08:42:21 AM PDT

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        •  Oil Games (none / 1)

          Check out this article that was in the Washington Post this morning.

          The tipping point could come from many different directions.  In the scenario laid out by the gamers, civil unrest shuts down oil production in Nigeria at the same time that al Qaeda attacks key oil facilities in Valdez, AK and Saudi Arabia.  The government officials participating in the game soon realized that they were helpless to prevent an economic collapse.

          Our world-wide oil-based economy could unravel pretty quick and the ensuing resource wars are going to make Iraq look like a stroll in the park.

  •  Peak Oil or Peak Speculation? (4.00 / 6)

    There is a disconnect right now between the price of oil and the price of shipping that oil around the globe.  Here is a link to a 5-year chart of the price of oil and the Baltic Dry Index (a composite  index of worldwide shipping prices).

    http://www.investmenttools.com/futures/bdi_baltic_dry_index.htm

    There is an excellent correllation between the two price series until the most recent spike in oil prices.  As oil prices (as well as copper prices among other commodities) have recently spiked to new highs, shipping prices have been crashing to new two year lows.  The movement of the Baltic Index is confirmed by the Dow Transport Index which has been dramatically underperforming the other broader indexes.

    So the question that needs to be addressed is:  If the price of oil (and other key commodities like copper) reflect demand and not speculation why is it that transportation costs do not also reflect that high demand?

    "Men...think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one." - Charles MacKay

    by mstein on Fri Jun 24, 2005 at 03:53:55 AM PDT

    •  Corrected link (none / 0)

      "Men...think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one." - Charles MacKay

      by mstein on Fri Jun 24, 2005 at 04:00:50 AM PDT

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      •  Well (none / 1)

        Shipping costs are down from the extreme highs of the past two years, but are still twice as high as they were just a few years back.

        Sudden demand growth made prices shoot up (and be multiplied by 4-5). This triggers new investment which, when it comes on line, suddenly increases supply and depresses prices. The fact is that shipping prices are still pretty high

        •  Sudden demand from where? (none / 0)

          Look at the chart again if you haven't already.  The disconnect between shipping costs and commodity prices has been most pronounced in the most recent quarter.  In that time, economic growth rates have been slowing in Asia (including China), in Europe (largely in recession) and in the US.  Certainly it is possible that oil and copper prices are a more sensitive leading indicator than transportation costs and transportation costs will soon start to move sharply higher.  My money though is on transportation costs as the better foward looking indicator.  Keep an eye on the BDI and the DJTA - they are the "tell".

          "Men...think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one." - Charles MacKay

          by mstein on Fri Jun 24, 2005 at 05:10:46 AM PDT

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          •  Sudden demand (none / 0)

            referred to the unexpected oil demand spike in 2003/2004, which caused the tensions in the transportation markets then. Now transport capacity has had time to catch up somewhat, and prices are not so frothy. In times of strong growth, it is hard to exactly match demand and supply for discrete big ticket itmes like tankers and the like, and any mismatch makes the prices move.

            Another factor in shipping rates was China's massive appetite for iron ore and coke to produce steel. Now that China is entering a bout of steel overproduction, that demand growth is slowing down as well.

            •  DJTA (none / 0)

              Possibly correct but, IMHO, movement of the DJTA makes it more likely that the BDI is reflecting something real and oil markets are reflecting out of control speculation.

              "Men...think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one." - Charles MacKay

              by mstein on Fri Jun 24, 2005 at 05:55:36 AM PDT

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        •  charts could indicate a speculative surge (none / 0)

          The point of those charts is that the most recent spike in futures is attractive or caused by speculators. Don't be surprised the price goes back to $50. Face it, hedgers and speculators are fighting it out and fundamentals take a back seat for a while.

          What I find more interesting is the China bid for Unocal and how the neocons are clashing with the free-traders on that one. No doubt some extra anxiety about China may be driving those futures up also.

    •  scarcity (none / 1)

      It's not current conditions driving this market.  It's future conditions - this fall in particular.  That's the traditionally tight time of year for oil, when home heating oil is needed in North America.  Last year was really tight, and this year is predicted to be worse.  

      Bloomberg, TheStreet, and others have actually blamed peak oil theory for the high prices.  I think that's an issue, but perhaps not as great as they imply.  Most traders, I suspect, are not worried about permanent decline.  At least, not yet.  They are worried about scarcity this fall, but assume the invisible hand of the market will provide eventually.

      "Anyone who believes exponential growth can go on forever in a finite world is either a madman or an economist." - Kenneth Boulding, economist

      by randym77 on Fri Jun 24, 2005 at 06:55:27 AM PDT

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    •  The BDI typically tracks the euro... (none / 0)

      which helps to explain the chart.
  •  The term "peak oil" (none / 0)

    term is a little unintentionally deceptive. I explain why here. Peak oil does not mean "peak energy". Even if the "peak oil" theories are true.

    I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that his justice cannot sleep forever TJ

    by cdreid on Fri Jun 24, 2005 at 05:03:56 AM PDT

    •  yes, it does (4.00 / 2)

      Peak oil is peak energy.  Barring a miraculous new discovery - Star Trek-like matter-antimatter engines, say - we are never going to find another energy source like oil.  Just look at the thermodynamics, and it's obvious.  Biodiesel is barely energy positive.  Even nuclear fusion, if we ever got it working, wouldn't produce as much energy as oil.  

      Peak oil doesn't mean we'll run out of energy.  It means we'll run out of cheap energy, and it's cheap energy that supports our complex society.  

      "Anyone who believes exponential growth can go on forever in a finite world is either a madman or an economist." - Kenneth Boulding, economist

      by randym77 on Fri Jun 24, 2005 at 06:44:31 AM PDT

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      •  Did you read his diary? (none / 0)

        Because you aren't addressing anything he said in it.
        •  yes, I read his diary (none / 1)

          I don't think he understands thermodyamics.

          Didn't comment on his diary, because plenty of other people did, saying more or less what I would say.

          "Anyone who believes exponential growth can go on forever in a finite world is either a madman or an economist." - Kenneth Boulding, economist

          by randym77 on Fri Jun 24, 2005 at 06:59:58 AM PDT

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        •  Actually he is (none / 1)

          directly, simply, and correctly addressing every part of cdreid's diary.

          Biodiesel is great, but it is nowhere near enough. Biofuels are great, but nowhere near enough. Nuclear is a massive boondoggle of immense and dangerous proportions. Coal, tar sands, oil shales, and the other "heavy hard hydrocarbons" face the same quandary as light sweet crude, without ANY of the advantages...and would be an environmental disaster of even more gargantuan proportion. Solar just is not there yet - it COULD get there, but thanks to asshole Ronnie Raygun, we stopped looking. Tidal, wind, wave, and hydro have some potential...

          But the real kickers come in the form of this problem - electricity is not good enough for most of our power needs. Batteries cannot run most systems we rely on. Electricity does not produce the petro-chemicals that form the very backbone of every major modern industry from farming to metallurgy to medicine.

          It's a real bastard of a problem, and there really is no easy or quick fix.

          The only way to ensure a free press is to own one

          by RedDan on Fri Jun 24, 2005 at 07:02:03 AM PDT

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          •  Wait a minute (none / 0)

            If peak oil = peak energy, then why do you mention solar energy?  Because peak oil != peak energy!

            I don't know why you mention thermodynamics.  We are basically taking about more energy coming from the sun.  That is where solar power, wind power, hydro-electric power, and yes, biodeisel power get their energy.  All according to the laws of thermodynamics.

            While you can argue against nuclear power for its safety, you can't say that it won't produce enough power.

            Right now nuclear power produces 11% of the worlds energy needs.  

            Obviously, if peak oil = peak energy, then adding nuclear power would mess up your equations.

            •  Energy from the sun (none / 1)

              The thermodynamic trick is not about getting the sun to emit energy (although the earth is getting darker, so until global warming burns off all of our atmosphere, there is even less energy from the sun getting to the earth). The trick is turning that energy into something useful.

              Right now, solar power is not efficient enough to be viable for most of our needs. Biofuels aren't either--until we develop a process to develop biofuels from biomass waste, you have to calculate how much energy it takes to grow and harvest and convert the biomass, and right now you're barely breaking even. And everything else but nuclear (which has problems addressed in another comment) is not there yet--we don't have the technology.

              I'm one of those optimists who believes we will eventually replace oil with something (although that would so radically change our economic system that it would be earth-shattering anyway). But we won't get there soon enough. Whether you believe we can make do with alternatives or not, you've still got to come up with a scenario for the near future, when oil will become too expensive to use (for things like fertilizer and motor transport), but when we don't yet have a viable alternative. When that point hits, all hell may break loose, which may prevent us from ever getting to that optimistic point after the initial chaos.

              This is the way democracy ends Not with a bomb But with a gavel -Max Baucus

              by emptywheel on Fri Jun 24, 2005 at 08:56:59 AM PDT

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          •  nuclear power won't save us (4.00 / 2)

            I'm afraid nuclear won't save us either--uranium production peaked 20 years ago.  We've been filling the demand with stockpiles and decomissioned nuclear warheads, but that won't last forever.

            uranium production

            •  Nuclear can't supply our needs (none / 0)

              unless we're talking nuclear FUSION, the gigantic pipe dream science project (so far).

              Quote from Prof David Goodstein of Caltech:

              TONY JONES: Professor James Lovelock who's called by many the father of the environmental movement says "the industry world must now embrace nuclear power as the only viable alternative to oil and other fossil fuels".

              What do you say to that argument?

              PROFESSOR DAVID GOODSTEIN: It depends on what kind of nuclear power you mean.

              If you mean the kind of conventional power that we use for power in the United States, burning uranium 235, which is a rare isotope of uranium, there are a couple of problems.

              One of them is you would have to build 10,000 of the largest power plants that are feasible by engineering standards in order to replace the 10 terrawatts of fossil fuel we're burning today.

              10,000 nuclear plants of the largest kind possible - that's a staggering amount and if you did that, the known reserves of uranium would last for 10 to 20 years at that burn rate.

              So, it's at best a bridging technology.

              If you're talking about nuclear fusion, then in the long range the fuel is almost limitless but it's been 25 years away for the past 50 years and it's still 25 years away.

              It has been said of nuclear fusion and also shell oil which is one of the possible fossil fuels that they are the energy sources of the future and always will be.

            •  Very misleading chart. (none / 0)

              Here is the context:

              http://www.uex-corporation.com/s/UraniumMarket.asp

              It simply shows where we are currently getting uranium from.  It doesn't tell you how much uranium is out there.

              That isn't to say that there is not a problem, but this chart doesn't answer when it becomes a problem.
  •  inflation question (none / 0)

    what is 60 dollars in today's dollars equal to in 1975 dollars?

    from each according to his means, to each according to his needs

    by dummy on Fri Jun 24, 2005 at 05:24:29 AM PDT

  •  I see little discussion about enviromental impact (4.00 / 7)

    of the various alternative recovery methods, or of extraction from shale or sand.  From what little I know, all of these have really significant desructive impact on the local environment.  And while potentially there are huge amounts of oil that could, were the price high enough to justify the techonology, be extracted, as is usaly in economic development there eems to be no accounting for the costs of the economic damage that would occur.

    If the costs of maintaining or cleaning up environments were applied to the costs of obtaining petrocarbons, my guess is that the real price of a barrel of oil would increase right now by at least 1/3 ($20/bbl), and for some of the methods (salt water injection, processing of shale and sand) proposed to maintain our supply, the environmental costs might well equal the extraction cost.

    No my area of expertise, to be sure.  But I get angry when the rest of us have to absorb what should be costs of industries.  We still pay for it, but on the basis of our own usage, which might be fair.

    For what it is worth.  And I have recommended this diary, as I do with most of yours, Jerome.

    do we still have a Republic and a Constitution if our elected officials will not stand up for them on our behalf?

    by teacherken on Fri Jun 24, 2005 at 05:24:32 AM PDT

    •  And a 4 for you (none / 0)

      for a fundamentally important point.

      Many of us despair of the fact that the oil price does not reflect its real cost to society and to the planet. We make do with any increase in its apparent cost as a step in the right direction, but the risk is that the increasing extration and rent price will encourage our governments to yet lower the "regulatory" cost of oil - i.e. the cost of compliance with environmental rules for production, transportation and the like.

      Carbon taxes (or general gasoline taxes) are a good way to reflect such costs, and we know that they are fought tooth and nail.

    •  A little broader discussion (4.00 / 3)

      Teacherken has highlighted an important issue concerning the proper valuation of resources that is too often overlooked. This bears directly on the oil production issues in Jerome a Paris' excellent diary as well as using deregulation as an economic stimulus from one of his previous diaries.

      The environment belongs to no one, not you , not me, not the government, etc. Yet it is a resource that all of us consume, and must consume to stay alive. Furthermore, it is a resource that will be inherited by future generations. Our kids, grandkids and so on, have to live in the environment that we leave for them. This is probably the most important point, if the environment can be said to belong to anybody, I would say it belongs to the future generations.

      The environment is the resource of life. I am also going to make the distinction between use of the environment and depletion of the environment. We deplete the environment when we destroy its life sustaining properties. We have no choice but to use the environment, when we breath, drink, and eat. We have a choice in depleting the environment though as none of the basic requirements of living render it unusable for the future.

      The environment is also used as a resource of production as well. It can be used responsibly, some corporations make every reasonable attempt to protect the environment.  All to often though companies, corporations are insisting that they have a need and a right to deplete the environment. How often have you heard that an environmental regulation is being opposed by an industry because it would have a negative economic impact. The bush administration is noted for opposing regulations that would impact the bottom line of their contributors. (Of course, we should also note here that regulations are encouraged if it is profitable for contributors. E.g. steel tariffs, bankruptcy laws, etc. But then you already knew that.)

      What the industries and companies opposing environmental regulations are saying is that their profits depend upon them getting a resource of production, the environment, free or at little cost. Once again, a resource that is used by everyone, including future generations. What the companies are saying at the deepest level are that their profits, their dividends, depend on them using up bit of your life, or of your children's life.

      This is true, look at it. Poor air quality, increased ground level ozone, can increase asthma attacks, people die from asthma attacks. Increased arsenic levels in drinking water can lead to cancer of the bladder, lungs, skin, kidney, nasal passages, liver, and prostate. Non-cancer effects of ingesting arsenic include cardiovascular, pulmonary, immunological, neurological, and endocrine (e.g., diabetes) effects. Pick an example and research it. Decreasing environmental quality means people have poorer health, and earlier deaths, not to mention the decreased quality of life.

      Jerome a Paris, mentioned decreased regulation as a means of economic stimulation in a previous diary. Environmental deregulation as an economic stimulus has to be approached carefully. If we allow environmental deregulation to decrease the quality of the environment it does not represent and increase in wealth for us and future generations, it represents trading the environment of the future for profits now.

      I think we need to restate our commitment to preserving the environment. I think we should have a goal of zero impact for people and industries, after all the future generations will inherit what we leave them. The environment is not a free resource as many people and corporations believe, depleting it now is stealing from our kids and grandkids.

      I also think we need to restate our environmental goals. The preservation of wild spaces and endangered species is important but to often the environmental movement is viewed as only that. The most important aspect of the environmental movement though is simply preserving our lives and our children's lives.

      Live to create the world you want to live in.

      by beerm on Fri Jun 24, 2005 at 07:45:10 AM PDT

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      •  Just for the record (none / 1)

        I fully agree with your points and I am strongly favorable to regulations that would "internalise" the impact on the environment of any economic activity.

        I don't remember where I would have argued for deregulation to stimulate the economy (did I actually argue that myself or was I quoting someone else?). I am favorable to price transparency - which does means less regulation in some cases (when these are meant to protect or subsidise special interests), but also means more with regards to externalities. I'll admit that sometimes the line between the two is hard to determine, but that would be my philosophy.

  •  The counterposition of (4.00 / 14)

    "Peak Oil" with "running out of oil" that occurs in the CERA report (and in many other places) is either:

    1. Deliberately deceptive double talk designed to weasel out of dealing with plain physical/energy facts

    2. Deep-seated, fundamental misunderstanding or ignorance of both the scientific and theoretical basis of "Peak Oil" AND the fundamental physics of liquid and gaseous hydrocarbon recovery from porous, permeable reservoirs.

    Why?

    Because "Peak Oil" has very specific, and explicit, relationships to the energy balance, the thermodynamics, if you will, between energy put into the system vs energy derived from the system.

    What do I mean?

    Inputs equal exploration (seismics, logging, walking, mapping, wildcat drilling, chemical assays, gravity, magnetics, resistivity, and etc), plus exploitation/production (drilling, casing, logging, well/formation completion and screening, packer testing, hydrofracturing, propping, sealing, water or gas injection), plus transport (pipelines, ships, trucks), plus refining.

    Outputs equal oil equivalent barrels - literally, calories (or your favorite energy unit.

    When oil fields are young and fresh, they are highly pressurized (with variations depending on depth, temperature, porosity, permeability, viscosity, density, and etc). When you puncture the sealing formation, the oil/gas literally shoots to the surface, or at least rises in the well-bore.

    As the oil/gas (and water) is pumped out, the pressure drops. Pore spaces and fractures collapse under the pressure of the overlying rock as the interstitial fluids and gases are removed.

    Decreasing pressure in the reservoir, coupled with decreasing permeability and porosity require ever more energy to pump out each succeeding increment of fluid.

    At a certain point, it turns out at about 60 to 70% depletion (again, depending on the specific physical properties of the source, reservoir, seal, and the hydrocarbons), it literally, really, REALLY, REALLY takes 1 calorie of energy to pump out 1 calorie's worth of crude oil.

    At that point, IT DOES NOT MATTER WHAT THE PRICE OF OIL IS!!!!!!!!!

    Sorry for shouting.

    See, at that point, there is STILL a lot of oil in the ground. You have not "run out of oil"!!!

    But getting each barrel requires using MORE than a barrel of oil!

    Now, BEFORE that point, there comes a moment when the rate of production from the reservoir slows - remember the pressure has dropped, the permeability and porosity has decreased, and (in real life situations) the oil and gas in the reservoir are no longer continuous or contiguous. Slowing production capacity occurs at about 50% depletion.

    That is the peak oil moment.

    You still have 50% of the reserve remaining...but production is slowing, and the energy required to get the oil out is increasing each and every time the well is pumped.

    The price starts to inexorably rise.

    It's not economics driving the system, it's physics.

    The only way to ensure a free press is to own one

    by RedDan on Fri Jun 24, 2005 at 05:51:42 AM PDT

    •  you're right (4.00 / 3)

      about the EROEI (energy return on energy invested) factor, but it must be noted (and shouted as well!) that peak oil will happen a lot earlier than the point when EROEI is 1. The economics of oil include other inputs than energy, so economical reserves are even smaller than "thermodynamic" ones.

      You're also full on about CERA's deception on "running out of oil". There are a number of different points:

      • EROEI=1 ("thermodynamical peak oil")
      • peak production ("economic peak oil")
      • the point where potential demand at current prices outstrips available supply

      the last two are somewhat linked, but are are mixed up today. Current high prices are caused by the latter (demand increasing faster than supply can cope) which is cause possibly by peak production nearing, but maybe also by shorter term factors like insufficient investment and gaming of the markets by some producers.  Very short term factors like financial speculation and political announcements by various parties add to the current price equation.
      •  Absolutely agree. (none / 1)

        The "unity" moment (which is when large scale, real, honest-to-god slavery will return in force) happens far after the kicker that is peak production.

        And the supply vs both real and potential demand crossover, which is where we are now, is the start of the downhill slide.

        The only way to ensure a free press is to own one

        by RedDan on Fri Jun 24, 2005 at 06:17:36 AM PDT

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    •  Nice work, you get a 4. (4.00 / 2)

      This is what I thought of reading the CERA report as well.  It seemed a deliberate red herring "running out of oil" was introduced in the discussion and I felt like I was reading something puked out by the Cato Institute or Heritage Foundation.

      The basic physics of this stuff needs more discussion.  Instead we have the free market mythology of the economists who seem to think that markets allow you to build perpetual motion machines as long as there is sufficient venture capital and the share price is high enough.  Tar sands and shale oil are particularly problematical from an energy budget standpoint.  There is also the issue of "geometric greenhouse amplification" (I discussed this in an earlier post that I'm too lazy to link to now) from the need to use oil (or other fossil fuel) to get oil.  Basically, you can end up pumping a huge amount of greenhouse gas into the atmosphere for each barrel of oil you produce near the "endgame" where you are using marginal sources like tar sands and shale oil.

      Then did he raise on high the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch, saying, "Bless this, O Lord, that with it thou mayst blow thine enemies to tiny bits, in thy mercy."

      by Event Horizon on Fri Jun 24, 2005 at 06:40:41 AM PDT

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  •  CERA (4.00 / 2)

    has been recruited to help stave off panic.  The fear is that if the idea of an imminent peak were to take hold against the back drop of a middle east war, the market could meltdown overnight.  They desperately need to get a plausible counter narrative out there so they can have something credible to point to.
    •  CERA's motivations are indeed suspect (none / 0)

      Check out the comments for the June 21 posting at www.theoildrum.blogspot.com.

      In general, my understanding is that the run-up in oil prices over the last year or so have been demand driven.  That is, unexpectedly increased demand has bumped up against a supply ceiling.  The true impact of peak oil will be seen when oil prices are supply driven--or to be more precise, depletion driven.  That seems to be the idea that people have trouble fully grasping.  They can understand "tight" supply.  They have trouble fathoming that overall supplies start decreasing and that they will continue to decrease.

  •  SA (4.00 / 2)

    How often has Saudi Arabia said they were upping production .5 mbd? it seems like every 6mo or so, yet theyre production doesn't seem to be much higher than 5 years ago.

    The world will end not with a bang, but with a "Do'oh!"
    "America is a free speech zone."

    by Love and Death on Fri Jun 24, 2005 at 06:57:18 AM PDT

  •  The Economist (4.00 / 2)

    also had a survey on the subject which, I believe, you did an in-depth diary on. My sense is that world elites -- i.e. Economist readership -- is not yet very alarmed because energy costs take up such a small proportion of their budgets. Higher oil costs for things like agriculture or transport is only a small, marginal cost for them due to their huge incomes. That these higher costs are already hurting average people is somthing that is glossed over.

    Sponge Bob, Mandrake, Cartoons. That's how your hard-core islamahomocommienazis work.

    by Benito on Fri Jun 24, 2005 at 07:01:50 AM PDT

  •  Demand Elasticity (none / 1)

    Much of our experience with the elasticity of Demand  is from places where it has become structurally nessesary for the continuing of "basic essentials" of every day life.  Not many people can cut the number of trips they take to the Store or to work just because gas has gone up if you live in a place like LA or most suburbs as you can do very little of your routine without pay for the gas.  Those trips which are less esential can be cut, but they don't represent enough of the demand.

    In places like England there is more elasticity as you debate between the cost of driving and the cost of taking a train.  Unfortunately, with the current cost of rail it about breaks even for one person.  Even now it is much more possible to live without or avoid the use of your car if you live in a city which was built before the car became common as there are shops within walking distance for most of your needs.

    In the developing world, they will include cars into their every day lives at the price of gas when the communities are built or evolved.  That means the distance people will be willing to travel for essentials will be less and it should continue to be possible for poeple to get those essentials without travel.

    So I would guess that the demand for gas should remain elastic in areas where the car has only recently been adopted and the demand should centre about a value which takes into account today's price for petrol.

    That said by globalising manufacuturing we are creating a huge relatively inelestic demand for the transportation of goods.

    My job is not to represent Washington to you, but to represent you to Washington- Obama
    Philly for Obama

    by Luam on Fri Jun 24, 2005 at 07:38:30 AM PDT

  •  CERA and Skrebowski (4.00 / 2)

    CERA claims, on its website (www.cera.com) that it has conducted a "rigorous" field-by-field analysis. We can see their data in a week or so when they present at the "East Meets West" conference in Istanbul.

    Before examining CERA's claims, it might be a good idea to investigate Chris Skrebowski, who has published several recent production-based (and field-by-field) analyses. His conclusion is that we reach peak oil 2008 +/- 2 years and that there simply is not enough coming "on line" to meet rising demand.

    See his abstract, "When Reality Meets Theory" at

    http://www.cge.uevora.pt/aspo2005/abstracts.php

    (It is, incidentally, unfortunate that ASPO, a group of renowned scientists, cannot seem to find a way to link audio to their annual presentations, so that we might hear the contributors.)

    Skrebowski also participated in the "Depletion Scotland" workshop, and if you go to this link, you can hear it:

    http://www.odac-info.org/PeakOilUKConferenceProceedings.htm

    Some have posited a debate between Simmons and CERA should take place, but I think Skrebowski is the man who could most effectively provide a completely contrary picture, with data to support it, to CERA's conclusions. It will be interesting to see how this plays out after they release their report in Istanbul.

  •  CERA Report - a country by country analysis (4.00 / 2)

    I took a look at the summary of the CERA report, and I analyzed each of their main points to see how they compare with current reality.

    OPEC Outlook - CERA says "Total OPEC liquids capacity will expand significantly to 45.6 mbd in 2010 from 36.8 in 2004, with the proportion of condensates and NGLs rising to almost 18% of total capacity. "  

    This is an increase of 8.8 mbd in the next six years - that's nearly as much as all of Saudi Arabia's current production.  Where can this production come from?  Well, let's be generous: 1.5 mbd from Saudi Arabia, 2 mbd from Qatari NGLs, 1 mbd from Libya.  That comes to 4.5 mbd, which leaves us more than 4 mbd short.  We could get to 4 mbd by doubling production in both Kuwait and Abu Dhabi, or by bringing another Iran online, but neither of those possibilities seems likely in the next six years.

    Take a closer look at Natural Gas Liquid (NGL) production.  CERA claims it will be 18% of 45.6 mbd, or 8.2 mbd.  I can see 2 mbd from Qatar, and Algeria and Indonesia are both big NGL producers, but will it add up to 8.2 mbd?  I don't have access to good NGL statistics, maybe someone else can help me out on this.

    Non-OPEC Outlook - CERA says "Non-OPEC capacity will expand rapidly for the balance of the decade, adding 7.5 mbd to reach 55.8 mbd by 2010, with the increase dominated by contributions from Russia, the Caspian, Brazil, Angola and Canada."  

    Again, let's be generous in our estimates: 1 mbd each from Angola and the Caspian, 1 mbd from Canadian tar sands, and .5 mbd each from Russia and Brazil.  The total is 4 mbd, which is still 3.5 mbd short of CERA's estimate, and that's not even allowing for depletion.

    It has been 30 years since the last oil crisis, and depletion has taken its toll on most of the big non-OPEC producers.  Over the next six years, crude oil production will decline in the USA (with current production of 5.4 mbd), Mexico (3.4 mbd), UK (1.8 mbd) and Norway (2.9 mbd).  Even though its in OPEC, production in Indonesia (1 mbd) is also declining.  These countires have a current production of 14.5 mbd, so a conservative depletion rate of 4% would yield a drop of more than 3 mbd after six years.  

    Summary -

    Adding it all up, we have a total gap of more than 10 mbd in 2010, even after very generous assumptions for new production and depletion.  That would decrease CERA's estimate for 2010 production from 101.5 mbd to 91 mbd.  Now look at demand for a moment - currently it is 84 mbd.  Lets assume a slow growth scenario of 2% per year.  That means that demand in 2010 will be 94.6 mbd, which is considerably less than our supply estimate of 91 mbd.  

    Predicting the future is an inexact science, and its entirely possible that I could be wrong with these numbers.  But it seems likely that oil supply will be very tight over the next six years.  After that, even CERA isn't optimistic.

  •  cartel economics (none / 0)

    Several years ago oil was three times cheaper.  Therefore oil producers know that big investments in new production capacity can lead to losses, even if they are hugely profitable at todays prices.  For big established producers, this is an enormous risk.  Why should Saudis invest tens of billions of dollars just to see their revenues dwindle?

    Who are these big established producers?  I think Saudis, Russia, Iran, Iraq and lesser Gulf states. Most of the others have little spare capacity.

    Russia is not an OPEC member, but it seems to me that Putin decided to prevent Russian production from rising too fast.  Khodorkovsky had plans to attract huge Western investments and increase production fast and Putin did not merely eliminated Khodorkovsky, but he eliminated Yukos as an independent organization, and the new Yukos seems to abandon the expansion plans.

    The question arises: where are oil producers who can be intersted in increasing the production capacity even if it leads to lower prices?  Perhaps in Central Asia, Azerbaijan and Western Africa.  Azerbaijan has the oldest oil fields in former Soviet Union, I do not think that it can be a new gusher.  Kazakhstan is blocked by Russia a bit, and its best bet seems to be to deliver directly to Chinese market.  I guess that China can absorb any increases of production there.  Thus we are left with West Africa, and I think that there is enough oil there to undermine the cartel.

    I would think that once a country attains, say, 70% of its maximum capacity, it can gain more by supporting the cartel than by increasing the production to the max.

    Undermining OPEC would require to have a sustaned string of big oil discoveries outside the cartel.

    I think that 50+ prices per barrel are here to stay.

  •  cartel economics (none / 0)

    Several years ago oil was three times cheaper.  Therefore oil producers know that big investments in new production capacity can lead to losses, even if they are hugely profitable at todays prices.  For big established producers, this is an enormous risk.  Why should Saudis invest tens of billions of dollars just to see their revenues dwindle?

    Who are these big established producers?  I think Saudis, Russia, Iran, Iraq and lesser Gulf states. Most of the others have little spare capacity.

    Russia is not an OPEC member, but it seems to me that Putin decided to prevent Russian production from rising too fast.  Khodorkovsky had plans to attract huge Western investments and increase production fast and Putin did not merely eliminated Khodorkovsky, but he eliminated Yukos as an independent organization, and the new Yukos seems to abandon the expansion plans.  Consequently, I would not count on huge increases of production in Russia.

    The question arises: where are oil producers who can be intersted in increasing the production capacity even if it leads to lower prices?  Perhaps in Central Asia, Azerbaijan and Western Africa.  Azerbaijan has the oldest oil fields in former Soviet Union, I do not think that it can be a new gusher.  Kazakhstan is blocked by Russia a bit, and its best bet seems to be to deliver directly to Chinese market.  I guess that China can absorb any increases of production there.  Thus we are left with West Africa, and I think that there is enough oil there to undermine the cartel.

    I never heard about Brasil oil gushers, perhaps I am ignorant.

    I would think that once a country attains, say, 70% of its maximum capacity, it can gain more by supporting the cartel than by increasing the production to the max.

    Undermining OPEC would require to have a sustaned string of big oil discoveries outside the cartel.

    I think that 50+ prices per barrel are here to stay.

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