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There are some media foibles that are unfortunate. There are some media mistakes that are abominable. And then there are some proud and self-aggrandizing statements that are simply unforgivable; words which, no matter the span of years, require a condemnation above that of mere words, and a response above that of mere outrage.

We shall see the depth and breadth of MSNBC's apology for the remarks of the perennially gullible, uninformed, arrogant, shallow-headed balloon of conventional wisdom known as Chris Matthews, who earlier yesterday declared Osama Bin Laden "sounds like" Michael Moore.  It is possible the bubble of self-animated Abramoff-tied Washington sewage will, yet again, receive the support of the NBC offices, which have on many past occasions decided that any gross insult directed at half the citizens of this country was well worth the momentary ingratiation of the select few.

The comparison of terrorist, and filmmaker? The comparison of mass murderer and religious homicide to the tart political speech of a presidential critic? Are we kidding? Was there ever a moment of media history in which such an astonishing political assertion would ever have been deserving of anything less than the end of a career?

It is, for Chris Matthews, a Michael Savage moment tucked into a slightly more expensive suit. Can he fart and bluster his way out of it? Will NBC defend even this? We shall see.

For such a profound and unintentionally telling statement -- and here, visions of Trent Lott praising the bigotries of a repugnant age come to mind -- empty apology means nothing. The Washington Post is currently under all-out assault for a single flat lie, left rotting and untended, by their thickheaded and addled ombudsman. But this is worse, and the surge has not even begun to rise.

As for Fox News' John Gibson -- now there is something different entirely. In John Gibson, we find the quintessential anti-patriot. Part Benedict Arnold, part Tokyo Rose, his is a media voice which, presumably much like the organization that surrounds him, holds a profound and venomous hatred of true America, the history, the words and deeds of the country, the voices that fill it, the population that, from the great heights of his own ego and self-promotion, must look merely like ants swarming on his owned and chosen land. It is a land where his own interpretation of religion is, alledgely, under constant assault by the personal religions of all others. It is a land where his own interpretation of political advantage is pure, and that of millions of others not only dismissible, but condemnable.  For John Gibson, spokesman of the Fox News monument of yellow journalism, an obelisk made entirely of cash and still-warm faxes, even the birth of Christ itself is a hollow charade, compared to the sure glory of momentary and venomous self-promotion.

America belongs to the rulers, and he fancies himself among their number. America is a divisible land of fiefdoms, and John Gibson, the gullible, polished and self-gilded fop known only too well by the true patriots of our own Revolution, will sneak notes even to killers, if it gains him those acres in which to preen and strut.

Yesterday, John Gibson was faced with a vivid reminder of the War on Terrorism, and in doing so, decided the war against half of America was a more worthy battle. Yesterday, terrorists probed the defenses of America to see where the weaknesses might lie; John Gibson not only took them up on the hidden offer, but validated their very premise.

With nothing resembling the self-consciousness of any shell of a man still containing the remnants of a soul, or any wisp of intellect more substantial than a flitting, passing hate buzzing through his ears, John Gibson decided that in this presumed War, his own first enemies would be American.

But the far lefties ought to pay attention to the other things he said. He was quoting our own far left and Europe's as they have cheered the polls showing Americans support for the war waning, that some Americans want to pull out from Iraq.

That's the basis for bin Laden's truce offer. He is talking to America's far left and saying, "You know what. We're on the same side. So why don't you work on that hardhead George W. Bush?"

Bin Laden told us Thursday that our far left has been working for him. It's their poll results he quotes.

What a thundering idiot, to believe the voices of the terrorists. What an incompetent boob, to read the marketed proposed "truce" as an actual one. As if the motives, goals, and propaganda of these most evil of men were not already well known, well understood -- still, here we have the thickest-of-thick Fox News walking into it with both feet, embracing it with open arms, writing the very scripts and blustering with the same words that the message itself was intended to provoke.

John Gibson believes this latest bin Laden love note to the rationales of terrorism was an earnest plea to Americans? Then he is as stupid as he is venal, if such a thing is even within the realms of possibility.

John Gibson believes that the "polls" against President Bush and the rest of the blundering, half-interested incompetents masquerading as statesmen are the things motivating bin Laden's attacks -- that poll numbers cause terrorism? Truly, in order to believe that you would have to pretend the myriad hatched thugs of terrorism were each individually well-armed Karl Roves, watching the polls with each attack, wondering whether a kidnapping in Afghanistan or car bomb in Malaysia would move the numbers better on the state-by state charts.

How fucking stupid, this man is. Not just stupid, but treasonously, venomously, dangerously stupid, of the sort that, in every war movie, manages to get a half-dozen killed under pretenses of faux valor before someone graciously puts a pinless grenade in his backpack for the good of those still living.

The terrorists do indeed seek to split Americans, and turn the fight against terrorism into a self-directed injury: John Gibson, anti-patriot, leapt to the very task.

The terrorists do indeed wish to use terrorism not for the mere purpose of killing, but to disable America's capabilities for unified action: John Gibson, tool of their movement, showed them where to land the blow.

And what the polls show, unknown to the infected inner ear of Fox News' John Gibson, is not a secret desire to side with pseudo-religious madmen in a worldwide killing spree -- I assure you, we have plenty of pseudo-religious madmen walking the corridors of publicity and power, in our own country, muttering under their breath at the various things G-d does or does not want to see bloodshed done to -- but stems from the very issue that we are not safer, these four years later, then we were.

We wiretap randomly -- to the extent that the FBI has complained bitterly about the valuelessness of the "leads".  We fight in Iraq, yes -- and provide both impetus and proving ground for terrorist recruitment that all educated parties agree has made the situation worse. We remove the shoes of children at airports, but our ports sit unprotected. We listen to the bluster of men like Cheney and Rumsfeld -- whose every prediction and strategy for five years has been vomited back up as acidic, shattered failure as soon as put into practice.  We have people like Ted Kennedy with their names on no-fly lists, while meantime the money intended to be dedicated to solidifying actual security against actual known avenues of attack is spread like butter among a thousand pork projects by a Republican Senate and House that cannot bear to watch dollars pass through the hallway without coming out from their offices, in a line, to each pocket what they can carry.

And so Gibson shows the last refuge of an armchair patriot, a man whose love for his actual country extends no further than his own arms, his own pockets, his lapel pin, and the sound of his own voice. I hardly need such urgent, bulbous threats as Gibson's to see where the terrorists can gain their moment of advantage; I can merely turn on cable television, and see the pronouncements of the Fox News foppery, humping the so-called War on Terror with the jiggling gracelessness of a dog wooing a well-worn couch, and know that the ultraconservatives of all involved countries are the ones who have spent the most spittle on these fights, to the least service.

In the aftermath of the September 11th attacks, as the wreckage of the Towers and Pentagon were being searched, shoved, tunneled through and held up as touchstones of remembrance, and as the still-unsolved anthrax attacks made their way through a narrow list of media and political figures, Democratic leader Tom Daschle included, it was always clear that the most dangerous flames of those attacks could have been still yet to come, and could yet be self-inflicted, depending on how we reacted as a nation, and if, among our ranks, there were groups among us willing to capitalize on and thereby endorse the bloodshed, in subservience to the same principles of power and manipulative nationalism held as philosophy by the terrorists themselves.

In fact, a fairly prescient prediction of our reaction to the attacks was part of the longer term plan, a plan which has been bleated about widely, by bin Laden himself, to enemies and supporters alike. It is lost on nobody in the world, save the most dull and stupid among us, that the War On Terrorism, so called and crafted, has rapidly devolved into precisely the original objectives of the terrorists: a longer-term war of religious extremism crudely marketed as nationalism, or faux-populism, or whatever other -ism the most bloodthirsty on either side can willingly agree to between them.  And throughout the world, in nearly every country, those of us not quite so gullibly medieval in our so-called philosophies look on and wonder, from all countries, how to kill these terrorists, wiping their small, crude movement from the earth, while at the same time pulling these ridiculous populations of eager and willing tools on all sides back from the brink of wanting still-larger conflicts, for the sake of faux-Godly titillation or general race-based dumbfuckery.

Our response to September 11th, however crude and rapid the devolution once Mr. Bush decided to look for terrorists not in the back alleys, but where the light was better, was a heartfelt if momentary unity. I wonder, would the response be the same, next time around? (Because that, we can presume, is what the terrorists themselves have been calculating, with benefit of having all voices of media from which to pick and choose their truly silly, transparent wedges.) In a world where O'Reilly has already endorsed the premises and targets of a terrorist attack -- if another attack hit a major American city, would the condemnations of the O'Reilly's, the Gibsons, and the other purple patriots be forthcoming with the same vigor, or would the attack be looked upon with the grim satisfaction that Pat Robertson held up for New Orleans? Is that what we are foresaging, with these newest comments from the Fox News teleprompters?

Whose ends do the terrorists best serve, shall we honestly explore the matter in earnest, with more analysis than Gibson can muster? Whose network would become a masturbatory fantasy of blood and shattered glass, led by well-fed cowards donning suit and tie to pretend at a fiction of leading the heroes from the safety of a teleprompter, while pointing in earnest at a smoking Reichstag and demanding vapid political subservience in all matters, even suspension of plain rules of law? What rancid treats would we find forced upon us, in those days, printed over the blasphemed colors of a flag, if even the mere threat of terrorist action is enough to prompt this kind of bleating mess of cowardice and vapid, yellow political pus -- an unprompted defense of lawbreaking by the President, a cry against an American philosophy, even a pudding-mouthed warning against the goddamn outrageous sin of answering polls incorrectly?

We -- and by that I mean America, the America that is fighting this war, the America to be, in coming years, the America that is watching the planners and self-proclaimed patriots flicking American soldiers into the void of death with the sleepy disinterest of men tossing treats to a dog -- have had, at this point, enough of this.

No more. And I mean that, earnestly, from a higher point of patriotism and general common sense than a hollow fool like Gibson can muster.

There are some media figures which are vapid and ininformed through raw stupidity; others choose to be, as a marketing tool. Then there are few like John Gibson -- voices of pure and perfect malice, for whom America itself is an exchangeable prize, to be traded for a fleeting vision of a wisp of a dream of bit more power attached to the right suit, and a bit louder voice in the right ears.

There are few among us for whom political advantage and insinuation of American accomplices would be the first, and indeed the only response to a terrorist ransom note. For Fox News, John Gibson was willing to claim that foul prize for himself and for his execrable, unforgivable network.

Originally posted to Daily Kos on Fri Jan 20, 2006 at 04:29 PM PST.

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  •  Amen brother! n/t (4.00)

    Read UTI, your free thought forum

    by DarkSyde on Fri Jan 20, 2006 at 04:30:02 PM PST

      •  As an aside, (4.00)
        ... sorry if it looks like I'm going all Lewis-Lapham-meets-J.D.-Salinger on you all.

        If you like, you can just start replacing random words with swear words, or removing random swear words, and you can slide along that continuum to great effect, as it turns out.

        But really -- enough is enough.

        •  It (4.00)
          really is enough. I mean what Hardball did tonight was just stupid. It's almost as if they purposely flipped US off with that segment, and considering that there is surley some overlap in our community and HB viewers, that doesn't make any sense to me.
          I wonder if we could freep their ratings just a little if we really made a big deal out of it.

          Read UTI, your free thought forum

          by DarkSyde on Fri Jan 20, 2006 at 04:51:45 PM PST

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          •  We need to start an organized boycott... (4.00)
            A massive boycott would sure get their attention, especially since ratings is all they care about. How do we go about doing that? I wish all the liberal sites would all call for a boycott of Tucker Carlsons, Chris Matthews and Joe Scarboroughs shows.
            •  I've been trying to organize at Ad Nausea (none)
              and for a while, things were going fairly well. We began with Hannity as I found him to be the most offensive.  

              Ad Nausea is a small site, and it takes a lot of work to keep people informed.  Any help would be most welcome.

              We would love to go after all of these "good folks" who masquerade as "truth tellers."  Unfortunately, without a huge onslaught of people emailing, calling, and writing to the advertisers, they will continue to fund these bullies with microphones.  The networks and the "hosts" of these shows will start to listen when it effect them personally.... in their wallets.

              •  It might be more effective (4.00)
                to boycott the advertisers and write them a nice warm letter explaining why.

                I'm assuming that you were posting about boycotting the show.  If so, that's not workable, considering how Nielson and the other ratings companies work.

                If you're speaking of a boycott of the advertisers, that's something that will definitely work, and would take much less effort.  Advertisers have been known to back out of a show because of scores of letters from disgruntlted viewers - they don't need the headache.  Hundreds of letters, which DKos is certainly capable of, could have a huge effect.

                A form letter signed by everybody wouldn't do it, but an original letter-writing campaign just might.

                (-5.25, -7.95) "Self-respect is a question of recognizing that anything worth having has a price." - Joan Didion

                by SueDe on Fri Jan 20, 2006 at 06:46:49 PM PST

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            •  do they care about ratings? (4.00)
              NBC/MSNBC is part of a huge conglomerate that has interests before the Republican congress. I don't think they care about ratings at all, they care more about political propaganda and control of the masses to keep their servants in power.  

              They haven't cared about ratings for years now, they trashed Clinton all the while he had 60-70% approval ratings.  

              Plus, no one IN the media, print or broadcast, will criticize the media, except for the regularly stated "liberal media" reference.  They all want jobs in the conventional media and are scared to lose them.

              The only thing that's going to change this country is the 70-80% of the voting population who don't watch politics, when it gets to the point of economic desparation or the oppression of women gets so severe they can no longer ignore it.

              •  I agree (none)
                NBC/MSNBC is part of a huge conglomerate that has interests before the Republican congress. I don't think they care about ratings at all, they care more about political propaganda and control of the masses to keep their servants in power.  

                They haven't cared about ratings for years now, they trashed Clinton all the while he had 60-70% approval ratings.

                I agree with you and I've been at this juncture for a while now.  You can't get these idiots off of one show. These pro-totalitariabiz networks are all owned by a cabal of the same jackasses.  People like Matthews, O'Reilly, Gibson, etc -- I think we're getting close to time to thinking about how many lives might be saved if those guys weren't propping up Bushco.  If they shut up, how many soldiers' lives would be saved?

                There's only one sure way to stop them, and it happens to be the only thing this group of people understands.

            •  I agree with this and (4.00)
              I will never turn my Tivo connected tv(which I'm sure tracks everything I watch) to Hardball ever again.  Chris Matthews took a sudden turn to the right this week and fell in line with all the Republican talking points.  Yes, he has always leaned heavily toward the Republicans, but lately seemed to have a middle of the road and sometimes even liberal attitude about some current events.  Then, this week, all of a sudden it has been all out war on Democrats.  His new segment with Tucker Carlson, Scarborough and what's her name, called Hot Shots, or whatever, was despicable and just reguritated all the points that Melman and Co. spews out.  I hope everyone here will never watch Hardball ever again.  I know that I won't.
              •  He did get suddenly worse (4.00)
                I thought it was just me.  Some nights he has guests on that I can listen to but the last few nights I have been doing my scream/throw remote routine that scares the kids.  

                There has been a lot of talk about changing the pay structure for cable.  When we can all decline these craphole stations we will be able to make a statement.  Remember, the other side, even at it's strongest was not quite 50% of the population. When you have to pay a la carte, a lot of the middle states will ditch news all together so they can have NASCAR and rodeo. I will ditch fox, msnbc and cnn so I can have RODEO.  No nascar for me, waste of gas.

                "Just because your voice reaches halfway around the world doesn't mean you are wiser than when it reached only to the end of the bar." Edward R. Murrow

                by justrock on Fri Jan 20, 2006 at 10:29:14 PM PST

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        •  when you change the truth (4.00)
          it is no longer the truth.

          "I ain't no physicist, but I knows what matters"-Popeye

          by keefer55 on Fri Jan 20, 2006 at 04:53:18 PM PST

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        •  My goodness, Hunter... (4.00)
          ...sometimes I wonder if you even know just how eloquent a writer you really are.

          The combined literary genius of the major papers have nothing on you.  Bravo.

        •  Hunter, you have bested yourself with this (4.00)
          immolation of John Gibson, that pale, over-fed, pair of ears with a vacuumous empty spacer in between.  

          You, sir, have topped your best! Kudos to you for this most righteous rant.

          Nothing short of an aroused public can change things, nothing less than democracy is at stake- Bill Moyers

          by maggiemae on Fri Jan 20, 2006 at 05:22:29 PM PST

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          •  Sweet - here's a couple (none)
            Here is a Patriot Versus a Thin lipped lying BushCo Suckup

            •  Misunderstood ? (none)
              Dear Mr. Matthews,

              So now you think people "misunderstood" your comparison of Michael Moore to Osama bin Ladin. What's not to understand? As I see it, you had three choices...

              1. Ignore the Republican talking points tying bin Ladin to Moore, Howard Dean, MoveOn, etc.

              2. Acknowledge the connection but clearly state that it's the Republicans that are tyring to make the connection.

              3. Echo the Republican talking points as fact with no attribution.

              Sadly, as usual, you chose the third option. We deserve better than this. My only question is how much is Karl Rove paying you to get his message out?
        •  No apology necessary (4.00)
          I applaud this thunder.  It amazes me that you and my other blogging sources can stomach the swill that passes for information in the MSM.  It astounds me that you have the strength to monitor the idiocy of Faux News, Rush and the other cannibals of this free society.  THANK YOU for this glorious rant.  May the populace be awakened!

          Liberal Engineer

          by HinTN on Fri Jan 20, 2006 at 05:32:53 PM PST

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        •  You ARE channeling Salinger a bit! (4.00)
          Breathless, labyrinthine, breakneck discursiveness! A verbal stunt-piloting tour de force! I'm mad for your diaries--enough is never enough! You make my heart race--you make me want to write some insanely tangental, super-syntaxy, imprudently adjectival thing of my own.

          Is nothing secular?

          by aitchdee on Fri Jan 20, 2006 at 06:39:32 PM PST

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        •  Dear God, this comment is hot. (none)
          those of us not quite so gullibly medieval in our so-called philosophies look on and wonder, from all countries, how to kill these terrorists, wiping their small, crude movement from the earth, while at the same time pulling these ridiculous populations of eager and willing tools on all sides back from the brink of wanting still-larger conflicts, for the sake of faux-Godly titillation or general race-based dumbfuckery.

          For this particular passage alone, I am not worthy. bows in deference  ;)

          enough IS enough.

        •  Hunter!!! (none)
          Gosh, I love the sentiments, but apologizing for coming across like Lewis Laphamzzzzzzzzz shows you have manners too.  Many thanks.
      •  Wonderful job, thank you Hunter (none)
    •  Slime of the lowest order. (none)
      John Gibson, the 21st century Lord Hawhaw.
    •  MSNBC > HOTSNOTS !! (4.00)
      What a line-up of whackjobs ,,,, Skrita ,Hoe and
      Bowtie boy ....  whew wee ,,, damage control time .  Tweety is the kkkanary in the coal mine ,UF-DUH ... Fw and his mamma ..
    •  Coincidence? (4.00)
      Or new GOP talking point.

      The 'conveeeeenient' Osama tape followed up by at least two incidences of 'leftists=terrorist' rhetoric.

      Now today we get Alberto just happening to charge eco-bombers in Oregon.

      This is the new election year roll out folks: Leftists are not abetting the enemey. Leftists ARE the enemy.

      War has been declared: on US.

      How Low Can Bush Go? Take the Poll.

      by Night Owl on Fri Jan 20, 2006 at 06:12:44 PM PST

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      •  Come on! (3.80)
        Didn't you know that ecoterrorism is the biggest threat we Americans face? It disgusts me when the government holds press conferences over this, it's like they forgot there are real terorists that want to kill us all out there.
        •  i'm freaked about the vegans (none)
          who knew they hated america so much?

          keep an eye on them, or they'll be really big trouble down the line.

          i mean if they don't like to kill to eat, who knows what other diabolical sedition they'll come up with?

          reagan was right! vegetables are evil!!

          (unless carefully sanitised by corporate industry into ketchup)

          i won't feel safe till everyone's eating meat for breakfast, lunch and dinner, with jerky for snacks in between.

          i think all arab foods and restaurants should be banned, also.

          ....oops i just got a call about falafel from a colleague, strike that

          why? just kos..... *just cause*

          by melo on Sat Jan 21, 2006 at 04:39:51 AM PST

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      •  Saw that... (4.00)
        ..."eco terrorists"?  What a fucking joke.

        OBL, responsible for THOUSANDS OF AMERICAN DEATHS is still out there, hasn't been caught and Bush and his Torture Boy are worried about fires at the US Forest Service.

        Insanity.  This thing is absurd on its face.  I haven't yet read the indictment, but if they're using Patriot Act for this, that is the last straw.  Something must be done. NOW!

        •  cars kill much more tha al qaeda (4.00)
          al qaeda has killed 3000 in america in the last 5 years.

          cars have killed over 200,000 in america in the last 5 years.

          why are we so worried about the terrorists in the first place? i had another car driver try to kill me today. even in israel and palestine i never had a terrorist try to kill me. it is safer to take the bus in israel than to drive.

          20,000 kids starved to death again today. they felt terror.

          love life, ride bikes

          by common terry on Fri Jan 20, 2006 at 09:51:36 PM PST

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          •  Risk analysis (none)
            Some time ago the NYT had a graphic on their op ed page showing the perception of risk (based on number of articles in the mainstream press) vs actual risk.  Guess what?  People were terrified of threats/events they were extremely unlikely to encounter.  Sharks.  Rattlesnakes.  But had no high alert on threats such as car accidents and skin cancers which were much, much more likely to kill them.
  •  eMail to Matthews (4.00)
    Dear Mr Matthews,

      Comparing Michael Moore and bin Laden does you no credit, adds nothing to your reputation and standing as a news man. On the contrary, it suggests an overt agenda to slander for political purposes, to curry favor with power.

      Moore is a patriot, agree with him or not as you see fit. He has not murdered thousands of our fellow citizens, but upholds American values as an American citizen.

      You are guilty of a foul slander and deserve all the calumny that is surely coming your way.


    •  What is coming his way? (none)

      Bush is NOT America!

      by annefrank on Fri Jan 20, 2006 at 04:34:27 PM PST

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    •  Email Scarborough and Carlson... (none)
      On Scarborough Country, Joe Scarborough and Tucker Carlson compared Osama Bin Laden with Murtha, Kerry, Kennedy and others. It's not just Matthews that deserves to hear from all of us. Email Scarborough at, and check out the transcript of last nights show at
      •  Yep. Crooks and Liars has it up (none)
        Scarborough and Kellyanne Conway (yuck) were pretty much saying that Osama and Dems share the same rhetoric.  

        This is, uh, pretty blatant.

        ... we now know a lot of things, most of which, we already knew... (-dash888)

        by Tirge Caps on Fri Jan 20, 2006 at 05:06:40 PM PST

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        •  OBL releases an audio tape (4.00)
          and the next day Karl Rove uses 911 as his opening salvo for the 06 election..

           Coincidence ?

          I hate it that the thought even crosses my mind.

          •  Don't forget how Dubya became Texas gov (4.00)
            According to Karl Rove, near the end of a too-close-for-comfort campaign, Rove decided they needed some "insurance." So he bugged his own office and then, days before the election, "found" the device and called in the reporters to blame the opposition. By the time his little trick was found out, Dubya was governor.

            These are ends-justify-the-means scum. It wouldn't surprise me one bit to find out the bin Laden tape was a Rove creation.

            Go, Hunter! Excellent rant, but too many big words for Gibson to actually be able to read it.

            They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. -- Franklin

            by carolita on Fri Jan 20, 2006 at 06:36:52 PM PST

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          •  I hate it that you're right. (none)

            ... we now know a lot of things, most of which, we already knew... (-dash888)

            by Tirge Caps on Sat Jan 21, 2006 at 03:20:51 PM PST

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        •  Exactly!! (4.00)
          No matter "how" they word it - the goal is to demean Democrats and the Democratic Party.

          Bush is NOT America!

          by annefrank on Fri Jan 20, 2006 at 06:38:35 PM PST

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      •  To be fair... (4.00)
        Carlson did say that bin Laden was parroting the left rather than the left parroting bin Laden.  He did seem to be saying that bin Laden was trying to co-opt the language of the left to further divide the country.  That is somewhat different than saying that he's the same as Michael Moore.

        Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their country.

        by Aneurysm9 on Fri Jan 20, 2006 at 05:11:47 PM PST

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    •  There is someone who might care how (4.00)
      his network is perceived? Robert Wright is CEO of NBC Universal.  
      General Electric
      Mr. Robert C. Wright
      CEO NBC Universal
      3135 Easton Turnpike
      Fairfield, CT 06828-0001
      Office: 203-373-2211
      FAX: 203-373-3141

      I think Mr. Wright needs to be politely but firmly told that C. Matthew's irresponsible commentary and right wing propagandizing are not the stuff of which ratings are made.

    •  A friend put me on the phone with Matthews, once (4.00)
      I became a fan of his after he ripped up Rumsfeld in a really tough, courageous interview with the Defense Secretary.  I spoke to Matthews about that interview and he was as nice and lovely a guy as you can imagine. He said, regarding Rumsfeld, "Can you believe what he tried to get away with?" with genuine disbelief.

      I can't bear what he's doing, anymore.  It disgusts me.  He'll turn penitent as he always does and do an about face for a day or two and throw the truth a few crumbs.  Then, when the Republicans get pissed off, he'll go the other way.  Back and forth, back and forth.

      He'll do anything to keep his show going and have guests from both sides of the aisle.  He kisses ass, occasionally gets tough, and kisses ass again.  And the truth always suffers.

  •  bloody hell (4.00)
    just how outrageous do the claims need to be before the public at large stops watching, stops subscribing and starts fighting back.

    I saw the last bit of Lou Dobbs where his republican roundtable (aren't they all anymore) discussed how awful it was that Lovey Howell was personally attacked for stating 'the truth' about Abramoff money... yikes!

    -4.63 -4.21 If Bush was moral or honest he'd turn himself in.

    by musicsleuth on Fri Jan 20, 2006 at 04:32:18 PM PST

  •  Seriously (4.00)
    I had never heard of this lump of shit Gibson before that "War on Christmas" crap.  Who the hell is he and why doesn't he go back under that rotten log from whence he came?

    Drag out the klezmer and start acting like a man, 'cause you are about to get a truthmitzvah!

    by calipygian on Fri Jan 20, 2006 at 04:34:03 PM PST

    •  History of Gibson (none)
      Gibson made a name of himself for pretty good reporting on the O. J. Simpson trial for MSNBC.  Then, ka-chink, ka-chink, he saw the money, honey, and decided that if Michael Savage can rant idiotically and rake in money, hell, so can he.

      So he approached Fox and "admitted" that under his neutral professional reporter demeanor at MSNBC, he was really a seething right-winger waiting to bust free.  

    •  "He arrived drunk" (none)
      Poorman culled an Amazon review that dropped some tantalizing crumbs about Gibson.  True?  Or only truthiness?  You be the judge here.

      A crumb:

      After dinner, he wanted to watch TV, and insisted that my 14-year-old sister sit right next to him. After about five minutes with his hands all over her, and hugging her, she managed to get away, and my mother suggested that he go home. He got angry and left, but not before smashing a serving plate made of china that our grandmother had left us.

      P.S.  Poorman posted that a few weeks ago.  If it's been disproven, holler so I don't tout it again.  But, geez, the write-up has a genuine tone to it.

      "Injustice wears ever the same harsh face wherever it shows itself." - Ralph Ellison

      by KateCrashes on Fri Jan 20, 2006 at 06:13:26 PM PST

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      •  This comment is priceless (none)

        I cant help but get the feeling that every single conservative blowhard asshole out there is:

        a)  a self-loathing, closeted homosexual; or
        b)  a ass-pinching, out-of-court-settling serial
            sexual harasser; or
        c)  what Archie Bunker would call a "pree-voit".

        To use a Fox News phrase, "Some would say that many Fox News personalities may be any combination of all three".

        Drag out the klezmer and start acting like a man, 'cause you are about to get a truthmitzvah!

        by calipygian on Fri Jan 20, 2006 at 06:46:23 PM PST

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    •  Unsubstantiated Gibson claim (none)
      He's a right wing Gacy without the clown makeup!
  •  Republicans accept a terrorist's lies as true (4.00)
    Bin laden is a deeply evil figure, but he is not stupid.  Nor is he compelled by any motivation to tell the truth, as conservatives apparently believe.

    His words should not be accepted at face value.  His purpose is to destroy the US, and to do this he knows he must divide us.  Thanks to the gullibility of conservatives, he has done so.  They drew us away from pursuing him in Afghanistan to pursuing Saddam in Iraq, and now the world views us as more of a threat than bin Laden, and we are a nation divided against ourselves.

    I hope I live to see the day when Republicans care as much about capturing or killing the Osama bin Laden as they do about beating Democrats politically.  Until that day comes, I thank God for people like Hunter.  The rightwing thinks he's giving them hell, but he's just telling the truth and they think its hell.  

    •  Decadence does not become us (4.00)
      The American Republic threatens to fall, in a graceless and squalid pile of despotism, to the small-minded, greedy, banally evil mitts of these pompous demons of the Media.

      Osama shows the evil wit to tell just enough truth that our Savonarolas of the airwaves demand that we denounce Truth Itself for having issued from his lips.  As if Truth hadn't acquired a tarnished enough reputation in this age of euphemism.  Lies are labeled "spin", "opinion", "balance", even "patriotism" and "religion."  Nothing is left unabased by these grasping Lilliputians bent on the final victory of bad-tempered selfishness.

      Our Founding Fathers weep from on high, watching the final disintegration of their ideal.  Veterans of wars past shake their heads among the clouds, wondering just what the hell they gave their lives for, if their country comes to this.  We dishonor our ancestors, and condemn our children.  All for the sake of hitting the quarterly numbers, of cheering our Team on to victory in the political Super Bowl, of being Winners rather than right.

      Shame on this country.  We will deserve all we reap.

      -4.50, -5.85 Lies are the new Truth.

      by Dallasdoc on Fri Jan 20, 2006 at 04:58:32 PM PST

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    •  Don't you find the timing a bit too convenient? (4.00)
      Bush is facing serious opposition for his blatantly illegal domestic spying. His one argument is "national security" . Now (13 months later) TA-DA! the worlds worst terrorist releases a threat on audio tape. How damn convenient, don't you think? They are hoping this blunts the outrage about his spying and now Bush has the "Osama threat" to hide behind.

      "Patriotism is loving your country always and your government when it deserves it"-Mark Twain

      by fool me once umm on Fri Jan 20, 2006 at 05:56:09 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  Another view (none)
      His words should not be accepted at face value.  His purpose is to destroy the US, and to do this he knows he must divide us.  Thanks to the gullibility of conservatives, he has done so.

      I think incompetence and other sins, more than gullibility, have helped Bin Laden con the Congress. I think they KNOW he's a formidable obstacle, but in their tapdance between reality and elections, they have to somehow maintain thie weird portrait of a guy who is both primitive and capable, dangerous yet nothing, irrelevant and modern

      Most importantly, when they're selling this bastard as our biggest bogeyman, they have to make sure that we know he's an OTHER.  He doesn't look like the base.  THAT gets a lot of people excited, not that "attack our freedom" horseshit the Chimperor spouts.

  •  Got your back Hunter. (none)
    We've got to fight back.

    So, what's the strategy?

  •  Another perfect rant (none)
    Nicely done, sir.
  •  Is America Terrazizized? (none)
    You bet. Game and set: Mr. bin Laden
  •  Good job... (none)
    but get the Tokyo Rose thing right, please, or just stop using it at all.
  •  Bravo for a well thought out and beautifully (none)
    written piece. Gawwd, I hope you sent it to NBC and Fox. Hunter you started my weekend with a bang. I am even more motivated to stay on reelecting a Democratic to the Whitehouse despite Chris Matthews and Faux News. Now, I'm going to sit back with my cocktail and enjoy the Friday night comments to your excellent post.
  •  wow (none)
    powerful stuff Hunter. It seems to me from my limited vantage that more people are starting to question: just how bad is it? when it comes to the American press.

    And the answer to that question, can finally be answered in the age of the internet where records can be easily examined and statements cross compared. The answer I hear coming back is: very bad indeed. The control isn't absolute but it doesn't need to be, steering the story, re-inforcing the chosen interpretation is all that's needed Fox may be the most egregious example but they're all under the sway of the media makers.

    The press has been bought.

  •  add a dollop of (none)
    kyra 'watergirl' phillips
  •  It is very unfair to compare John Gibson... (4.00) Benedict Arnold.  Arnold was an esteemed and courageous patriot who was grievously wounded fighting for America.  That, of course, was before he sold out to the British.  (If memory serves, it was in part because he felt his service was not sufficiently appreciated that he then betrayed the cause for which he had fought.)

    With Gibson, all we have is the sellout.  None of Arnold's earlier courage, daring, imagination, or patriotism.  

    "...the big trouble with dumb bastards is that they are too dumb to believe there is such a thing as being smart." -- Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.

    by Roddy McCorley on Fri Jan 20, 2006 at 04:38:56 PM PST

    •  very true (4.00)
      For those who think that Benedict Arnold was always just a sleazy turncoat, I recommend Kenneth Roberts' carefully researched novels Arundel and Rabble in Arms.

      The Arnold story is one of the most fascinating in all our history, and the more one finds out about how tenuous things were during the Revolution - Washington begging Congress for money, etc. - the more one can see that Arnold may have had good reason to switch sides.  He died in disgrace, however, his heroism utterly disregarded.

      Perhaps some mighty victory is growing in you now. - Mike Finley

      by hrh on Fri Jan 20, 2006 at 05:12:44 PM PST

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    •  Hunter did say (none)
      "part Benedict Arnold".  I think he intended the ass end of the man, the downhill part that was egotist, corrupt and venal.

      "I desire what is good. Therefore, everyone who does not agree with me is a traitor." King George III

      by ogre on Fri Jan 20, 2006 at 05:50:58 PM PST

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  •  Ah Hunter (none)
    A tongue (pen?) that could open wine bottles. That was the lashing Mr Matthews deserved.

    "Just because your voice reaches halfway around the world doesn't mean you are wiser than when it reached only to the end of the bar." Edward R. Murrow

    by justrock on Fri Jan 20, 2006 at 04:39:41 PM PST

    •  E-stomping (none)
        Awesome, just awesome writing.
          I'm happy to participate in yet another public shunning and stomping of Tweety and his pals.
         I'm proud that a week or two ago I was bagging on tweety for the usual, and got two pushbacks from tweety fans here at dkos who said 'sometimes there are good shows, etc'.
          Yeah, sez I so what he still sucks.
         I like what Jane Hamsher said about this type of suck up spew down 'journalist' (bob woodward actually) , to paraphrase,

          'those WH cocktail weenies don't eat themselves"

      Somebody, do something, I got kids I care about, fer crying out loud!

      by KenBee on Fri Jan 20, 2006 at 06:22:51 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  Nah (none)
      A tongue (pen?) that could open wine bottles. That was the lashing Mr Matthews deserved.

      Nah, it's a bullet in the head that he's begging for.  Or at least he seems to be begging for the kind of regime that would offer up that sort of thing.


      Tweedy should be put down now.  He's not exercising 1st Amendment rights.  He's just pushing out state-sponsored propoganda.  

      His death today would probably save lives.

  •  Love Hunter's articulate fire when pissed (none)
    But so, so sorry there sre so, so many reasons to be pissed, yet again.
  •  Bless you Hunter (none)
    Your aim is true, brother.
  •  Yowser! Huzzah! Kazam! (none)
  •  Call a spade a spade (4.00)
    This is nothing less than a conservative-led War on Americans.  Or, perhaps better put, their War on America.
  •  Did anyone hear Imus' sidekick's comment today? (4.00)
    Russert was on Imus today talking about the Osama tape and other current events.

    At one point, Imus asked Russert if there was any democrat who would vote for Al Gore or John Kerry?

    Tim Russert actually gave a good response-- he said a lot of people out there still love Al Gore, especially members of the blogosphere (as he put it) who feel like he's a strong spokesman and he deserves a shot after being denied the presidency in 2000.

    Imus made some stupid comment, then Russert said something along the lines of, "You never know.  He pops up every few months and delivers a strong speech in a tone a lot of other Democrats won't take."

    Imus' idiot sidekick, Charles pipes in, "Yeah, kind of like Osama."

    To which they all chuckle.  Disgusting.

    •  Yes, I heard it (4.00)
      And I thought to myself, "You little, fuckin' prick."

      Bernard, isn't that his name? The fuckin' shrimp dick. His only claim to fame is that he can get his tongue farthar up Imus' asshole than any other person on the planet.

      Whooooowheeeee. Don't get me started. When I heard him slip that slur against Gore in there like that, I was like... Okay, dude. The gloves are off. Bastard's lucky I live on the opposite coast.

      •  the absolute last time i listened to (none)
        those human feces was during arafat's funeral - where they laughed and hooted it up with their pathetic garbage commentary.

        don't listen - never will - won't pollute my ears and eyes with either aging petrified impotent worms...

        don't get me started............

        going to go wash out my eyes now for just reading their names.

        •  thank you (none)
          I was looking for a suitable quote for my blog post about how all this "aging petrified impotent worms" "wrinkled ass" shit goes on in a site that otherwise provides itself on inclusion and respect.

          where are the artists?
          where are the poets?

          by le sequoit on Fri Jan 20, 2006 at 07:06:31 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

          •  i was actually biting my tongue and (none)
            holding back from what i really think of imus and his lackey.

            the shameful, offensive and crass coverage of the funeral of yassar arafat made me wish for censorship privileges - and borderline made me wish for capitol punishment!

            his behavior that day was so outrageous that he deserved to be removed from the airways -  his "performance" was beyond redemption.  he should have been fined by the fcc and fired by those stations who aired his program.

            from robertson's proclaimations and call for assassinations of world leaders to imus's total disrespect to another culture - these buffoons with a bully pulpit do serious damage to this nation in the world view.

            and we wonder why other cultures "hate" us.... duh!

  •  WOW (4.00)
    you go!  This is some of the best stuff I've read recently, and after georgia 10 and others, that's going some.

    Patriotism may be the last refuge of scoundrels, but religion is assuredly the first.

    by StrayCat on Fri Jan 20, 2006 at 04:42:00 PM PST

  •  Camping (4.00)
    If Gibson and Matthews can openly say things like that on TV, how far away are we from liberal internment camps?
    •  osama/democrats (4.00)
      the new redbaiting

      -4.63 -4.21 If Bush was moral or honest he'd turn himself in.

      by musicsleuth on Fri Jan 20, 2006 at 04:43:59 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  Just a few years, I'd say (none)
      If Gibson and Matthews can openly say things like that on TV, how far away are we from liberal internment camps

      I'd say between 2 and 5 years, whenever the oil crunch comes.  You, me, and everyone here will be blamed (even though we screamed warnings about it for 35 years).  The Camps will come with the new Depression.

      We have no desire to offend you -- unless you are a twit!

      by ScrewySquirrel on Fri Jan 20, 2006 at 05:40:54 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  Violence next? (4.00)
      lately, i've been having visions of G.W. getting on the radio and tv and in the voice of Emperor Palpatine saying "The time has come. Do what must be done. Do not hesitate. Show no mercy."

      And then things get truely insane.

      The tragic thing is, I would not be at all surprised.

      I have never once admitted to not having x-ray vision.

      by internik on Fri Jan 20, 2006 at 06:15:36 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  didn't you notice that today the (4.00)
        fbi and homeland security went after and arrested some domestic terraists.... the really dangerous ones - you know, they break into places and free bunnies, rats, etc.

        yep, that big announcement of breaking up of the "terrorists" ring - run by peta and e.l.f.

        the time IS here - the spying of the n.s.a. is being justified by the arrests of these dangerous animal rights folk...

        yep, just HAD to spy on peta (even though i loathe that organization, the spying is totally wrong!) and e.l.f. - and the excuse was that one day someone MIGHT be hurt!

        this scares the bejezzus out of me!  doesn't it you?

        after all, who's next?  the radical left?  the anarchists COULD harm the nation if they get "violent" at the wbo conventions - so they need to be held under the terror act - and the leftists that are left are then dangerous because they MIGHT react to the arrest and imprisonment of people who MIGHT do harm...

        welcome to the minority report - it is now.

        •  To be fair... (none)
          ...(and accurate) the "terrorists" that were arrested were charged with several acts of arson, which, if true, is, from what I hear, a kinda dangerous thing. (Actually, arson ALWAYS is a dangerous thing, but I think you get my point.)
          BUT that aside, exactly WHAT are our gov't's priorities? Gonzo will take time to discuss the "bunny liberators" but he won't act on domestic spying? WTF???

          "...and the ones that are lucky ones come home on the day after tomorrow..." -- Tom Waits

          by Newton Snookers on Fri Jan 20, 2006 at 10:25:12 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

          •  that was my point, as well! (none)
            i don't condone the stupidity of e.l.f. or the "fundraising" protestations of peta - can't STAND peta (imho they are a massive fraud that bilks little old ladies of their wealth without producing serious change in the protection of animals and prevention of abuse - but that's another diary, another day!)

            the peta and e.l.f. pronouncements today had one purpose: to justify domestic spying via n.s.a.

            these arrests were specifically made to justify the illegal spying of americans - and using the word "terrorists" was meant to key into highly charged emotions that would draw those with attention deficit into supporting their constitutional abuses.

            unfortunately, they will succeed.  

            americans can be so effing stupid!

  •  Matthews and Gibson are overpaid shrill shills (4.00)
    masquerading as representing the journalism community.  For journalists that hold their professional honor and integrity in high regard, there should be loud calls for those given use of the public airwaves to use them factually and wisely.  Take names and state it clearly who is demeaning journalism and bringing the profession to below sea level.  

    The corporations think that controversy or a rightwing point of view will be enough to sustain their revenue base.  The washington Post is experiencing declining numbers, Fox has a ceiling and Matthews enjoys being a yellow "journalist" on MSNBC. Their leadership and mangement will only react to that which affects their potential profits and management bonus. How many in management have been let go for allowing these parasites to continue to sully their corporations?    

    Every time history repeats itself the price goes up - Anon.

    by Pithy Cherub on Fri Jan 20, 2006 at 04:42:41 PM PST

  •  I think I love you. (4.00)
    You had me at "dumbfuckery".

    Does the devil wear a suit and tie, Or does he work at the Dairy Queen- Martin Sexton

    by strengthof10kmen on Fri Jan 20, 2006 at 04:42:54 PM PST

  •  asdf (4.00)
    This whole Osama/Democrat thing is a talking point probably put out by Rove and gobbled up by Matthews, Hannity, Carlson, etc.  How else do you explain why they all coughed up the same hate rhetoric that coinsided with the release of the Osama tape?
    •  Fitzgerald needs to move on Rove or else (4.00)
      this type of rhetoric will get more and more heated and, since it makes for good headlines, will dominate the news coverage of the campaign.  Rove already trotted out the plan to make security the issue of the 2006 elections -- to which we should say bring it on, since Bush and the Republicans have completely dropped the ball on security by failing to catch OBL.  

      Maybe MoveOn should, in 'Where's Waldo' fashion,  run 'Where's OBL' ads with Bush's "I don't think about him" quotes 24-7 from Monday until next November and see how well this plan of Rove's works.  

      Don't be so afraid of dying that you forget to live.

      by LionelEHutz on Fri Jan 20, 2006 at 05:00:53 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  Maybe the Dems (4.00)
        should remind this nation who was POTUS when 911 happened.

        Bizzaro world!

      •  move (4.00)
        should push, push, push the Orwellian theme. Pull excerpts from righties and present them in full chill. Get the guys who did all those creepy free market is revolution crap commercials in the nineties.

        Big Brother is Watching, not Impeach, should be the freeway blog.

        where are the artists?
        where are the poets?

        by le sequoit on Fri Jan 20, 2006 at 05:59:56 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  Oh Gawd (none)
          And who the holy fuck is this supposed to convince if Rupert Murduch has me busy watching C-level TV stars ice skate with washed up figure staters?

          Will you fucking tell me that?  Is American Freaking Idol supposed to watch itself?????

          I hear you, but really . . . . even the Senate is made up of morons.

  •  10-1... (none)
    ... Gibson takes the pinless grenade remark as a threat.


  •  All down the line (none)
    What about the dismal Brooks/Shields show on NPR where Brooks espouses R talking points and Shields plays the straight guy.  I'd love to see a real knife fighter up against Brooks.

    "I felt as if I alone of all my townsmen had paid my tax." Thoreau

    by NearlyNormal on Fri Jan 20, 2006 at 04:43:36 PM PST

  •  Follow the money (4.00)
    Since not many at dKos, if any, have the magic gizmo on the TV that represents several hundred thousand households and thus affects ratings, all we can do is send letters and emails.

    And use the power of the purse.

    Who are Tweety's advertisers? I don't watch, so no names spring immediately to mind. But we should all let them know that we will under no circumstances spend any money on whatever product or service is advertised to keep someone as irresponsible and dishonest as Matthews on the people's airwaves.

    Advertisers care more about the bottom line than they do about what program carries their messages.

    The degree to which you resist injustice is the degree to which you are free. -- Utah Phillips

    by Mnemosyne on Fri Jan 20, 2006 at 04:43:37 PM PST

    •  sorry, I don't take viagra (none)
      enzyte, arthritis medicine, asthma medicine or cholesterol medicine. hmmm, see a theme here? maybe that's why we have 'medicare D[isaster]'

      -4.63 -4.21 If Bush was moral or honest he'd turn himself in.

      by musicsleuth on Fri Jan 20, 2006 at 04:46:38 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  Too true (none)
        The very few times I've watched TV in recent years have been enough to produce worry over stomach acid, feelings of anxiety, a stuffy nose and nasty cough, distress over inadequate deodorant, and the pain of psoriasis. We have become a nation of hypochondriacs.

        They'll make no money on me; strongest thing in the house is aspirin. But the advertisers to whom I write a sharply worded letter needn't know that.

        The degree to which you resist injustice is the degree to which you are free. -- Utah Phillips

        by Mnemosyne on Fri Jan 20, 2006 at 06:03:38 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

    •  Incredibly, Neilsen just contacted me (none)
      to be a ratings household next month for sweeps.  See the email I sent Hardball below.
      •  Congratulations! (none)
        If you don't have Free Speech TV, I'll donate to let you purchase it for the month.

        -4.50, -5.85 Lies are the new Truth.

        by Dallasdoc on Fri Jan 20, 2006 at 07:09:46 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  Not an option on Direct TV (none)
          Unfortunately.  Do have Link TV, which is a reasonable surrogate.  Broadcast has slim pickin's indeed.  Some of the channels only come in some of the time.  But don't offer much anyhow.  Murdoch & his minions took away TRIO & CBC (that's Canadaian...) & CNN International over the last few years, too.

          Thanks for the offer, anyhow.  Appreciated.

  •  Alright, look... (4.00)
    I'm all for freedom of speech, I'm all for people having their own opinions - I understand that there are two sides of every issue. But for this douchebag to say that I, as a war opponent, as well as, well, the majority of the country, am a terrorist sympathizer is unacceptable.

    Yeah, John Gibson just called the majority of Americans terrorist sympathizers. I don't think an apology would even suffice. He should be fired.

    "He's not a leader, he's a Texas Leaguer" - Eddie Vedder

    by griswald11 on Fri Jan 20, 2006 at 04:44:14 PM PST

  •  Excellent, (none)
    excellent, Hunter.

    Couple of typo's in your wonderful rant. One sentence is not finished, and one word is wrong...both in the Gibson piece.

    And by the way, Mathews and Scarboro are currently saying that Bin Ladin is aping the left on purpose.

    We are all wearing the blue dress now.

    by PLS on Fri Jan 20, 2006 at 04:45:15 PM PST

  •  Well wrought. (none)
    I think you mean "venal" (not "venial").

    BushAmerica -- Now killing 24/7/365. *Your tax dollars at work*.

    by Yellow Canary on Fri Jan 20, 2006 at 04:45:25 PM PST

  •  You correctly said: (4.00)
    "Media"  not "News Media"

    Mathews and Gibson are part fraud, part entertainer, complete buffoons.

    They really don't matter, though as you demonstrated, they make soft and ample punching bags.

    "Mr. President, I'm not saying we wouldn't get our hair mussed." General Buck Turgidson

    by muledriver on Fri Jan 20, 2006 at 04:45:47 PM PST

  •  The way the corporate media keeps bedding (4.00)
    the right-wing is the weakness.

    Freedom of the press is a cornerstone of this country; and as you've so eloquently said, they're kicking the cornerstone out with all their might. I've done two google-news searches this afternoon; there are over 300 stories on BushCo's all out efforts to sell spying on Americans.

    Nothing on Conyers' hearing. What a sad statement about our corporate media.

    The very idea that "You're either with us or you're with the terrorists" is as shameful as the presses behavior. And it's palpable. I've know many right-wing people who belive I'm no better then Osama because of my liberal views. Because I don't belive it's right for the NSA to spy on my phone calls wihtout a warrant; because I believe that war in Iraq is immoral, because I believe that this president will do and say anything to maintain control of this country for the benefit of oil barrons and weapons mongers, I'm equated with people who willingly kill innocent people.

    But I can't forget the feeling that swept this country in the days after 9/11. A feeling of unity through shared experience. This nation hungers for that, and if Deomcrats can offer both unity and truth as an antidote to the lies and divisivness of BushCo and the Corporate Media, we will take this country back.

    •  Corporate control of the news media must end (4.00)
      The decline of our nation can be traced back to the repeal of the Fairness Doctrine in the 1980's. The Fairness Doctrine was a law that stated that if you allow a right-winger to lie on the air for an hour, you have to give equal time for someone to tell the truth. It was repealed because some wealthy interests wanted to get rich off of the Rush Limbaughs and O'Reillys in this world and screw the consequences to our democracy.

      I would like to find the Democrats that voted for the repeal and grab them by the shoulders and shake them and ask what the hell they were thinking?

      The repeal was followed by an orgy of corporate mergers that led to the present day situation where all TV stations are owned by a handful of big corporations as well as nearly all radio stations and most newspapers.

      This trend was paralled by the government take over by a political party that rose to power through the use of the 30-second commercial and their new found ability to have their lies transmitted to citizens unchallenged by a once critical news media.

      How long can a democracy survive under these conditions?

      We need to return to the wisdom of treating the airwaves like any other natural resource such as the air and the rivers.  It is owned by all of us and should not be polluted just to make a quick buck. Bandwidth should only be "loaned" to corporations and then only if they serve democracy by helping our citizens understand the truth about our government and its leaders.

  •  Er, so what's our war plan? (none)
    God knows I want to do my part to dis-empower the fascist-enabling bastards of the corporate media, but how?

    I already don't suscribe to any of them.

    What next?

  •  A war on the media.. (none)
    will require more than writing angry letters to Hardball or in the comments section of the WaPo. Ultimately it will require economic pressure. Boycotting advertisers? Requiring cable companies to unbundle their programming so consumers can elect not to get CNN, MSNBC, FoxNews, etc? A new media that is dedicated to political journalism and that understands the contributions that the blogosphere can make?
    •  I had (4.00)
      a plan to do just that last year. I moth balled it because some of the talking heads came around. Now I think maybe it's time. It is my best guess that Hardball purposely flipped DKos off speifically tongiht. Noe I dunno if they figured it would somehow increase their ratings or what was going thorugh their pointy heads, but that's sure what it looked like to me.

      Read UTI, your free thought forum

      by DarkSyde on Fri Jan 20, 2006 at 04:48:53 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  I like this idea.... (none)
      I would dump them in a flash!!!!!!  Oh, what about Keith?

      If it talks like an R, VOTES like an R, it is an R even if it has a D after its name.

      by dkmich on Fri Jan 20, 2006 at 05:08:27 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  I'm (4.00)
    sick of griping about, I'm sick of writing Hardball 'e mails'. I'm thinking we need to org some kind of boycott and mass mail of their sponsors.

    Read UTI, your free thought forum

    by DarkSyde on Fri Jan 20, 2006 at 04:46:47 PM PST

  •  A Very Minor Suggestion (none)
    We shall see the depth and breadth of MSNBC's apology for the remarks of the perennially gullible, uninformed, arrogant, shallow-headed balloon of conventional wisdom

    I agree 100%, except shouldn't that be the buffoon of conventional wisdom? Just sayin'

    "This president believes government should be limited not in size but in effectiveness."
    --The Daily Show

    by bramish on Fri Jan 20, 2006 at 04:46:51 PM PST

  •  Damn (none)
    A very well thought-out and well-written piece. I usually don't take time to read these long ones, but well done, Hunter.
  •  Preach it, Hunter! As I have (none)
    said before, you write like an angel....

    ...the White House will be adorned by a downright moron...H.L. Mencken

    by bibble on Fri Jan 20, 2006 at 04:49:48 PM PST

  •  What do you mean? (none)
    "we shall see MSNBC apology"

    Bush is NOT America!

    by annefrank on Fri Jan 20, 2006 at 04:50:26 PM PST

  •  Tweety strikes again! (4.00)

    Tweety pumpkinhead just had Tucker C, Joe S and "Throaty McHuskington" on to join in a Hillary said "plantation" lovefest.

    I emailed the asshole and suggested that maybe he ask some regular people what THEY think about what Hillary said.

    Those three were enough to make me want to hurl!

  •  The attacks on the democrats are viscious (4.00)
    and unrelenting.

    Borthers and sisters, they are calling us, You and I terrorists.

    They are calling Harry Reid a terrorist. The shroud it in a smokescreen and THEY use Osa bin Laden as their best Republican  ally, not in a war on terror but in a war on You and I.

    This is ludicrous. We need a war room for media savvy response by these timid dems. Acccccccckkkkkkk!

    Murder Boards Anyone?

    Take dems to the murder boards, and have fake Karl Rove ask his questions, so that they can figure out how not to be afraid to tell the truth. Jesus help us, when dems are so afraid, they have to say, "Oh I am sorry I didn't mean to hurt your feelings for calling you names while you were busy destroying our democracy and our way of life"


    This Osama thing seems like a gift from god for the republicans, and one has to wonder about the coincidence of the timing. I sure do.

    inspire change...don't back down

    by missliberties on Fri Jan 20, 2006 at 04:51:47 PM PST

    •  because they haven't caught him yet (4.00)
      Osama attacked under Bush's watch. Bush wanted him 'dead or alive' before he didn't care where he was. Now that he's back making tapes, its time to pin it on the Dems again, but... guess what? Dems still aren't in power. Guess its time to resort to schoolyard bully tactics like namecalling again.

      -4.63 -4.21 If Bush was moral or honest he'd turn himself in.

      by musicsleuth on Fri Jan 20, 2006 at 04:54:32 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  Absolutely right. (4.00)
        If a Democrat was president now, the Right Wing Corporate Media would be going absolutely batshit insane and slamming the Dems for not having captured Osama yet.

        The RWCM is full of such double-standard hypocritical shit that it just sickens me.  They take Osama at his word (assuming the tape is even real, yah right), and they try to legitimize this lie-based, fucked-up, incompetent war because Osama spouted some bullshit.  The Right Wing Corporate Media immediately goes into hyper-nationalistic, propagandistic, anti-Democrat mode whenever any of this shit makes the news.

        Even local broadcasts are fucked up.  How does my local broadcast do a report on the Domestic Spying scandal without even fucking mentioning warrants?!!?  That is the point of the whole fucking scandal!  It is the spying without warrants.  It is not crazy fuckers who are opposed to all spying.  It is a scandal about clear, unequivical law-breaking by the President in ordering vague, broad domestic spying without obtaining warrants, which by the way are real fucking easy to get.  Why the fuck wouldn't he get a warrant?  Report on that, you stupid, ignorant, lazy media!  Good gawd.  Breeeeathe.  Innnnnn.  Ouuuuut.  Innnnn.  Ouuuut.  Sigh.

      •  I'm starting to feel like the war (4.00)
        was always against us: liberals and progressives, the bane of the existence of cultural regressives/wannabe theocrats/would-be feudal lords and all manner of wackos who have consolidated their unpopular sentiments into the empty shell of the GOP.  Doesn't seem as if the Bush administration ever gave a shit about bin Laden or Al Qaeda, they are still fixated on reversing the gains of the '60s.

        We've always been their target, and they seem to take every opportunity to smear us, even at the expense of pursuing avowed enemies like bin Laden.

        This is scary.

  •  So finally, the Gloves are off (none)
    it's about time, but the battlefield must go beyond Tweety and those propagandists at Faux "News".

    The 800 lb. Gorilla of the media is going to need to be dealt with as a whole, shamed back into competence, if we hope to have a fair chance reclaim this country from the twisted, bloodthirsty cabal that has, temporarily, been able to take control of our political institutions by the slimmest of margins.

    Don't be so afraid of dying that you forget to live.

    by LionelEHutz on Fri Jan 20, 2006 at 04:53:28 PM PST

  •  Okay, Kudos to Hunter, and... (4.00)
    ...bonus points for "dumbfuckery."

    Seriously, I would wake up in a shivering cold sweat at night if I ever thought I'd done anything to cross Hunter.  Sticks and stones may break my bones, but a Hunter rant goes to the soul.

    Nicely done.  Sending links to friends.  Recommended, needless to say.

  •  I think we did good. (4.00)
    While no one intended to shut WaPo down, they found out we are here.  All the posts and e-mails to Mathews today, also says we are here.  I think we need to do this daily.  Maybe if they begin to see how big a market share they are "not" attracting, they'll think twice.  I know, I know -when pigs fly.  We still did good.

    If it talks like an R, VOTES like an R, it is an R even if it has a D after its name.

    by dkmich on Fri Jan 20, 2006 at 04:57:08 PM PST

    •  at the very least (none)
      it will put us on parity with the wingers and their astroturf campaigns

      -4.63 -4.21 If Bush was moral or honest he'd turn himself in.

      by musicsleuth on Fri Jan 20, 2006 at 05:01:52 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  and that is perhaps (none)
        what bugs me the most.  They have made us into them.  They have forced us to use their tactics to try to defeat their tactics.
        •  They would have done that no matter what. (none)
          If they can swift boat Kerry, why would you think they wouldn't fundie us.  Besides what is the alternative?  Shut up and don't rock the boat.  I keep thinking that if we can get coordinated so they can see the size, the idea of "market" might turn on a light.   In the mean time, I don't watch cable, network news.  I don't buy  newspapers or magazines.   No point.

          If it talks like an R, VOTES like an R, it is an R even if it has a D after its name.

          by dkmich on Sat Jan 21, 2006 at 03:41:35 AM PST

          [ Parent ]

  •  So... is the fact that the government now wants (none)
    our Google files connected to the crime that Bush has propagated against the American people and this is the way they are going to cover it up?  The husband I have been discussing this at great length and that is his theory.  

    It is about child porn, not spying on the people. He is trying to save our children.  He is trying to save us from ourselves, not spying on us randomly.

    I am not your beast of burden: I will not be forced to carry your baggage.....Humanistic Property Manifesto (-5.13, -4.77)

    by panicbean on Fri Jan 20, 2006 at 04:57:24 PM PST

  •  A viper's tongue lashing (none)

    if only they felt the sting of Hunter's powerful poison pen!

    Can anyone if corporate tradition media just be honest?

  •  Harry Reid is truly Sorry (none)
    Check out the latest Political Comic from H.L.

    Harry Reid is Truly Sorry

    In Which  Harry Loses His Balls.

    See the rest at The Hollywood Liberal

    There's lots more at a H.Ls. Comic Features

    Thank You

    •  I heard a staffer did it.... (none)
      I don't know if Harry knew, but he stuck by it.  I can't believe he freakin apologized.  He should have stood his ground just like Hackett stood his.  It is such a lost fucking cause.

      If it talks like an R, VOTES like an R, it is an R even if it has a D after its name.

      by dkmich on Fri Jan 20, 2006 at 05:11:33 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  Excellent as Always Hunter (none)
    I know just how you feel.  Only I can't rant with such excellent prose.  I can't believe some Americans still take what they hear on Fox as Gospel.  I bet this is the same group that things Pro Wrestling is real.  
  •  You know who you remind me of a little Hunter? (4.00)
    Percy Busshe Shelly. I hope I spelled that name right. But the both of you have this uncanny ability of weaving simile, metaphore and a sort of "frankness" into a kind of candid metaphore, if that makes any sense.

    The more I read your stuff, the more I look forward to your next work. And if you wouldn't mind, are you an in-comming front pager, or an out going one?

    It's nice you finally came around, although I still question your intentions.

    by NeoconSemanticist on Fri Jan 20, 2006 at 05:04:10 PM PST

  •  History Will Be Kind To You Hunter (none)
    Thank you Hunter.  It's time for everyone to get in the game.  
  •  Bin Laden's only echoing what Europe (4.00)
    and all other nations know already.  Bush is a disaster.

    Why single the American left out?

    Brilliant, Hunter.

    Are we still routinely torturing helpless prisoners, and if so, does it feel right that we as American citizens are not outraged by the practice? -Al Gore

    by soyinkafan on Fri Jan 20, 2006 at 05:06:54 PM PST

  •  Chris is jealous (none)
    The green toad shines brightly whenever Matthews speaks of Michael Moore who has a uniquely honest, intelligent and creative voice. Chris was in fine form tonight. He had Joe Scarborough, Rita Cosby, and Tucker Carlson on to bash Senator Clinton's recent remarks. That's almost "fair and balanced" enough for O'Really on Faux. He's a toad. Throw him over the back fence.
  •  Another rightwing nut job attacks (4.00)
    I put this out earlier and have seen no one mentioning it...last night on MSNBC the fop of fops, Tucker Carlson compared Howard Dean to Osma Ben Lauden. These low lifes will stop at nothing when it comes to spewing their down right hatred for anyone who doesn't think like them...supporting everything the Chimp in Charge and his minions say. TC is anothe very poor excuse for a journalist. I hope Dean will rip him another one. Then we will have two ass....s in the same package and maybe some of his adorers will see him for what he really is.
  •  Nailed it (4.00)
    Ok Hunter, now tell us what you really think.

    Seriously, a wonderful on point diatribe. But, as other posters have noted above, the only thing these materialistic scum understand is money and power. Well, we may not have the power yet but, collectively, we do have the money.

    Time is long past for an organized boycott against these pernicious fools and their sponsors. Let's make a list of their advertisers and let be be loudly known that no Democrat, liberal or progressive will buy their products as long as the advertise on Matthews' or Gibson's shows. And then letter write and email the piss out of them until they get the point.

    When advertisers feel the pressure and start to pull their ads will be the only point that these outrages will stop.

    A liberal is a man so broadminded he wouldn't take his own side in an argument........Robert Frost

    by mjshep on Fri Jan 20, 2006 at 05:08:35 PM PST

  •  Great front-page diary (none)
    Go, Hunter!! <pumps both arms in salute>
  •  I will never watch Hardball Again (4.00)
    Ever, ever, ever! I just watched it to see if Matthews would apologize for his Michael Moore comment, hell no, it was even worse than yesterday. Instead I got to hear the primetime anchors from MSNBC join Matthews in accusing Dems of being terrorists. Apparently those yoyo's on Hardball believe bin Lauden is using the Democratic Party playbook. They lambasted Harry Reid, Clinton. Kerry and Dean to name a few, for being cowards. Rove's talking points are out and it will be all talk of national security and fighting terrorists from now until 06' elections and 08'.

    I am more energized than I've been in a long time to beat the Republicans in every way possible. Thanks Hardball, I needed that kick in the ass.

  •  Well, now, why should Gibson be ... (4.00)
    ...any different?

    Yesterday, John Gibson was faced with a vivid reminder of the War on Terrorism, and in doing so, decided the war against half of America was a more worthy battle.

    If Bush and Cheney can do it, why not this slab of rotten beef?

  •  Contrast Matthews with Donohue (4.00)
    Phil Donohue had the most popular show on MSNBC and he was axed for being an ANTI-WAR host.

    Now compare this with Chris Matthews and it is clear where NBC places its political cpital.  ON THE RIGHT.

    A failed President=August 6 PDB, Bin Laden? DSM, WMD's? Abu Ghraib, Rove/Plame, H. Miers Nomination, Katrina, NSA Spying, Delay/Abramoff

    by Gator on Fri Jan 20, 2006 at 05:13:56 PM PST

  •  Grab your pitchforks and torches! (4.00)

    "The truth is a noble cause".

    by BOHICA on Fri Jan 20, 2006 at 05:15:03 PM PST

  •  WOW! (4.00)
    This is a fucking BRILLIANT column. Thanks to you, Hunter. You said it all.

    Has anyone forwarded this to Gibson? Love to see his head explode after reading it.

    P.S. Here is the e-mail I sent to Gibson before I finished reading this post. Bland by comparison, but I wanted him to read it if possible.

    //Mr. Gibson:

    You say: "Bin Laden told us Thursday that our far left has been working for him. It's their poll results he quotes."

    I must take issue with this sentence. Every recent poll from every source (except maybe Fox News) has shown the majority of Americans no longer support the war in Iraq, even though we support the troops who are doing their jobs there. A majority of Americans feel President Bush is doing a terrible job.

    These poll results are not from the far left. They are from America.

    Mr. Bush is a failure. He has failed to capture Osama Bin Laden. He has made America less safe. He has increased terror attacks all over the world.

    We would be much safer now if Al Gore had been sworn in when he won the 2000 election.

    I won't even dignify the rest of your rant with my comments. I just had to make this one observation to you.


    "I ain't no stinkin' monument to justice."

    by menodoc on Fri Jan 20, 2006 at 05:16:22 PM PST

  •  dude (none)
    exposing himself for what he really is. will people wake up?

    this is why i have no TV. my life is better because i don't watch.

    If you don't visit my website, you are aiding the terrorists. Why do you hate America?

    by OrangeClouds115 on Fri Jan 20, 2006 at 05:17:11 PM PST

  •  Schultz's strange defensiveness regarding hunting (none)
    Listened to Ed Shultz today and he made a long defense of his gushing love hunting over the airwaves and a direct attack at those who've criticized him for it.  Since Bush&Co is now ordering the FBI and NSA to spy on animal advocacy groups, my ears really perked up. What's Schultz trying to do?  Is he trying to flush out every animal lover, peaceable-kingdom advocate ("do no harm"), and vegetarian in the Progressive Movement and make a one stop shopping spot for Bush's Illegal Spy Machine?  Weird.

    I consider EXPLOITATION to be a common denominator of most of the Injustice we witness in this world.  Listening to Schultz gave me a chill because it showed how easily a person can rationalize their personal participation in exploitation.  Today's food animal industry -- including hunting (there's alot of paraphanalia involved in the bloodsport) -- is exlpoitative, violent, cruel, and most certainly unnecessary.

    Ed blassted his critics as a mere minority.  But since when have progressive ideals erupted full borne out of the majority?

    And Ed defended himself with the rationale that hunting is a "tradition", a family thing, and LEGAL.  Egad!  So was slavery!

    When I think of it, one of the main things that bothers me when I listen to Schultz use rare progressive radio airtime to talk hunting is that he is in effect using the public airwaves to promote exploitative behavior.  Overall, not a progressive sort of behavior.  If only he could see he hasn't reached the progressiveness of Gandhi yet, I'd have more tolerance of his inability to let go of his bloodlust hobby.  But such humbleness before the vast animal world seems to be missing in Schultz; therefore, I feel he's earned this blog critique.

    •  See The Deer Hunter again (4.00)
      compare Robert DeNiro's take on hunting with his sillier friends.  That's what Ed's talking about.  One shot is about respect.  It seems crazy to those of us who don't want to shoot any animal, but traditional hunters respect wildlife.  Just not in a way that you find acceptable.  

      He's talking hunting on progressive radio to broaden the appeal of left wing rationalism.   Let him.

      Are we still routinely torturing helpless prisoners, and if so, does it feel right that we as American citizens are not outraged by the practice? -Al Gore

      by soyinkafan on Fri Jan 20, 2006 at 05:36:48 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  Rationalization based on cinema... (none)
        isn't enough for me.  When it comes to exploitation of anykind -- from hunting to strip mining, from slavery to health-depleting fastfood -- a lump of catchy dialogue in a motion picture seems a paltry thin defense for the behavior of the exploiter.
        •  what's the saying? (none)
          "the best is the enemy of the good"?

          I'll forgive Ed his hunting.  As said above, Ed is reaching the groups we haven't known how to reach.  He's not the sharpest tool in the shed, but while that may be a problem to me, it may well be an attribute to many listeners.  And he comes across as real.  That's what people crave.

  •  Being offended isn't enough (none)
    I think it's important that we not only refute those who link the message from the left with the message from the terrorists, but also put forth the underlying notion that is similar with both the Right and the terrorists.
    Specifically, both Bin Laden and the right find it necessary to link the War in Iraq and the War in Afganistan.
    It is imperative that we distinguish the difference between the two, we all know the MSM won't do it on their own.
  •  Oh, come on! (none)
    Matthews's quote:

    I mean, he sounds like an over-the-top Michael Moore here, if not a Michael Moore.

    He's linking to a major theme of Moore's. He's not comparing the two, only that the two arguments are coincidental.

    Can't we pick our battles a little more lucidly than this?

    where are the artists?
    where are the poets?

    by le sequoit on Fri Jan 20, 2006 at 05:21:57 PM PST

    •  Imagine the outcry (none)
       If a media person had compared Bush's speaking style to Hitler's.

      I tell you there is a fire. They have this day set a blazing torch to the temple of constitutional liberty and, please God, we shall have no more peace forever.

      by Anderson Republican on Fri Jan 20, 2006 at 05:41:38 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  No (none)
        "sounds like" clearly means the similarity of reasoning. I run the danger of being bashed here, but I can't see where Matthews was wrong on this.

        I've seen Moore's movies and I've read his books. I'm a huge fan.

        I signed off of cable "news" the day OBM stepped in to help his sparring partner win the election. Nowhere, anywhere on the cable did anyone ask why this brilliant mastermind would not know that he was helping Bush.

        Same deal here, the argument is one shovelful above the truth, and there it will sit.

        where are the artists?
        where are the poets?

        by le sequoit on Fri Jan 20, 2006 at 06:14:19 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  So, by your OWN words (none)
          Michael Moore reasons similarly to Osama Bin Laden.

          You may not be a troll, but your point on this one is as sharp as a bowling ball.

          I tell you there is a fire. They have this day set a blazing torch to the temple of constitutional liberty and, please God, we shall have no more peace forever.

          by Anderson Republican on Fri Jan 20, 2006 at 06:20:21 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

          •  In the context we're dealing with here, (none)
            yes. OBL talks about a truce stopping the flow of money to the warlords and to "the American officials", whom I take to mean somewhat correctly the Haliburton crowd, etc.

            That America enables the warlords and the administration via the defense industry is a Moore theme, obviously of many, but famously Moore.

            Why wouldn't it pop out?

            where are the artists?
            where are the poets?

            by le sequoit on Fri Jan 20, 2006 at 06:53:40 PM PST

            [ Parent ]

            •  Possibly because (none)
              I, and most people, don't think Michael Moore is a terrorist.

              Are you a terrorist? No? But that statement gets your back up, doesn't it? It should.

              I tell you there is a fire. They have this day set a blazing torch to the temple of constitutional liberty and, please God, we shall have no more peace forever.

              by Anderson Republican on Fri Jan 20, 2006 at 07:02:37 PM PST

              [ Parent ]

            •  le sequoit (none)
              Thank goodness someone on this thread has the balls to state what is obvious.  You are dead-on.  This is ludicrous.

              "I'm an insect who dreamed he was a man and loved it. But now the dream is over..." - Charles E. Pogue, "The Fly".

              by edsdet on Fri Jan 20, 2006 at 10:04:42 PM PST

              [ Parent ]

    •  huh? (none)
      i didn't get that. parsing semantics does nothing to hide the evil these people espouse.
      •  Well (none)
        First. As to "these people", I totally agree that Gibson is a fraud, and  highly immoral one at that.

        I don't put Matthews in that vein. I think he tries and I think he likes what he's doing, most of the time.

        He doesn't come close to suggesting the two are allies. If he had you would have seen the quote in the post.

        where are the artists?
        where are the poets?

        by le sequoit on Fri Jan 20, 2006 at 06:25:45 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

  •  Is it my imagination or is the MSM getting even (4.00)
    worse. CNN just hired 3 wingnuts. Tweety and the rest are following the Democrats = Osama BS. I think they are scared. The worm seems to be turning with all the scandals and the MSM seems to be circling the wagons in support of Bushco. Is it my imagination? It also seems obvious to me that Osama and Bush feed off one another and help one another with the people they want to convince. Bush with Middle America and Osama with Muslims. Isn't that obvious? I am not even sure Bushco want to capture Osama and there is no doubt that Osama thanks Allah every day for the election of Bush.

    They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve to be known as Republicans

    by Jlukes on Fri Jan 20, 2006 at 05:22:38 PM PST

    •  They are stoking the fires of fascism (4.00)
      to reverse the fading fortunes of Dear Leader.  They are all in it together, vested interests, consolidated corporations aimed at elevating the multinational and destroying the commons.
    •  I have no doubt that (4.00)
      Bush has no intention of "capturing" bin Laden.  The Bushes and the bin Laden family go way back. Even though we have been conditioned to believe that bin Laden is Bush's sworn enemy, we must look at Bush's actions and not his words.  What we see is a man who believes everything is going according to plan.  

      War without end = infinity profits for the American Chosen.

    •  not just you (4.00)
      you wrote my thoughts exactly.
    •  I agree (none)
      I have been suspecting the same thing.  Somehow these guys have some complicity in these unfolding scandles or some fear of some kind, because the coverage has shifted substantially in a very short time.  The OBL references to the left, Moore and the Dem talking points were just over the top.

      I swore off MSNBC tonight after they continued with the plantation thing.  They don't get that most of us out here can relate to exactly what Hillary meant as we watch our king and the mighty land owners in congress pocketing all of our common wealth and totally ignoring the people they are supposed to be representing.  The media is as out of touch with the American public as the Republican politicians are.

      A word to Hunter.  You are an inspiration with your spectacular writing and I felt such a strong call to action that I stopped mid sentence to go send a farewell email to Matthews. I hope to read more and more of your diaries.  Thank you.  Carolyn

  •  I'm glad someone's watching Faux News (4.00)
    so that I don't have to.

    Also, if they call us terrorists, can we call them Nazis? Just a little? It'll feel good, be cathartic.

    Last, how do we message to those in-between and on the outside so that they get it about all this stuff. We can preach to the choir and rail against the bad guys all we want, but can we win some hearts and minds?

  •  Imagery (4.00)
    I think the imagery you use to describe the coming America paints a far better picture than the typical and oh-so-tired Nazi Germany references.  When we the people of this country stop to look around and actually see the lies and bullshit they're being fed.

    This week, I was in Las Vegas doing some YearlyKos stuff.  My family and I went over to Fremont Street to see the pretty lights on the ceiling.  At 8pm, the show was American Freedom.  I missed the first minute or so, but I came out of the casino right when the Constitution was being shown, with the Declaration of Independence bellowing from speakers.  It was pretty moving.  Then it got pretty lame...anyway, at the end of the show, all those tourists started clapping.  Some had tears in their eyes and I slowly got pissed.  I wondered how many of those people voted for Bush.  How many of them cared that this president had declared himself king in not so many words?  How many care or aware of the fact that this administration is actively behaving illegally in ways that they could never know?  How many of them were aware or cared of their freedoms slowly being stripped away?  Will they care before it happens to them?  Or will they continually blow it off as "I don't do that, so why should it bother me?"  

    s I ranted (loudly) and my husband shunted me back to the car, he tried to explain the cowardice of the right in terms he understood:  Communist Romania.  He explained to me the fear some of his relatives lived under, not knowing if their neighbor, cousin or daughter would rat them out for saying or doing something "wrong".  He said, that until that time comes, he wouldn't expect anyone in this country to fully understand fear of ones government.  I told him that we're already there.  

  •  So cancel your cable already!! (none)
    What are you waiting for folks?  All they understand is money. Deny them an audience. Of course tell their advertisers that you are cancelling and why you are cancelling.
  •  Gibson says (4.00)
    "[liberals] are the very people who will seize on the offer of a truce. And this is why these sorts of people don't run the U.S. government and never will."

    No, instead the government is run by the people who fucking CREATED Osama bin Laden.

  •  Kristallnacht (4.00)
    I'm starting to think that the only thing that might save us from our own "Crystal Night" is that the majority of people who'd engage in such a thing would think it had something to do with eating square hamburgers.

    And that isn't much comfort.


    The Real Gorilla - Reality-based political cartoons.

    by Matt Jordan on Fri Jan 20, 2006 at 05:29:12 PM PST

  •  Biden laughed (4.00)
    If you haven't seen the video of Mathews' making his remarks you should check it out. I saw Crooks & Liars.

    The reason I am bringing this up is because of Joe Biden. That's who Mathews was speaking to when he made his gross remark about Michael Moore. The cretin, Biden, actually laughed when Mathews said it and Biden kept grinning stupidly until after he was well into his weasly reply to Mathews.

  •  I must say, fellow Kossacks, I'm depressed. (4.00)
    I used to really like Matthews.  Yeah, he occasionally would parrot right wing talking points, but he usually did so in the context of grilling some lefty, which I considered a necessary evil, since he did the same thing to the wingnuts.

    And I remember with some fondness him absolutely lambasting Michelle Malkin for goign on his show and accusing John Kerry of self-inflicting his wounds.  He just hammered the shit out of her.  It was a think of beauty.

    I can no longer bear to watch him.  His new "Hardball Heavyweights" is pathetic and embarassing.  I have no idea what happened to this guy.

    by JohnStuartMill on Fri Jan 20, 2006 at 05:34:20 PM PST

  •  Have our own media (4.00)
    As you have pointed out so well, the media is the message and we need to have an outlet that fits into the MSM mold, but that tells the truth.

    If every one who visits Dkos and all the other blogs were to donate some money, the possiblity of rasing enough to establish another network is not out of the question.  

    Different approaches to operating the network could help it to be financially operational, such as being on the "on air" 4 hours in the morning and 4 in the evening. There are many approaches.  The very important point will be that the truth will be the news.  And a way to that truth, would be to use bloggers as the source - and for a blogger to become a source would be the pinnicle of excellent blogging.  

    We need to stand out.  We need to get the public aroused, angered and hell bent on wanting to find out the truth, all of which is plays well to the progressive/liberal theme, which in turn translates into a positive association.

    Food for thought.

  •  A shot across the bow from me (4.00)
     To Leslie Schwartz, Director of Media Relations:



     Allowing your on air personalities to try and accuse Democrats of being allied with Osama Bin Laden was the best way you could find for Democrats like me to not only make sure that we don't subscribe to your channel, it's also the best way to get us to make our friends and relatives cancel subscriptions to your channel. Rest assured, I and others will be doing so.

     Of course, you can always publicly apologize on your station, fire Chris Matthews for comparing a Democratic activist to Osama, and fire Joe Scarborough for comparing Democratic politicians to Osama. These actions were insidious, repulsive, and unprofessional at the very least.

     Until you apologize, have some REALLY bad ratings.

     With No Regards,


    I tell you there is a fire. They have this day set a blazing torch to the temple of constitutional liberty and, please God, we shall have no more peace forever.

    by Anderson Republican on Fri Jan 20, 2006 at 05:38:55 PM PST

  •  Chris Matthews is such a buffoon! (none)
    His brother is considering running for Lt. Governor in Pennsylvania, a Gooper of course.  Another buffoon!  Runs in the family!

    If the people lead, the leaders will follow.

    by Mz Kleen on Fri Jan 20, 2006 at 05:39:00 PM PST

  •  Matthews said that Bush belongs on Mt. Rushmore (4.00)
    after describing about how great it was to celebrate the Iraqi elections with Shrub at the White House Christmas party.  
  •  This was the best diary I have ever read! (4.00)
    I say this with all due respect to everyone who has posted a diary.  I constantly read them, recommend them, learn from them, internalize them.  I plagerize them when I am battling the right-wingers of the 101st keyboardist division in other web battlefields.  This is the best repository of patriotic thought anywhere, and I am grateful for the insights all daykos diarists have provided me.

    But this post, with it's powerful prose and raw passion, and perhaps partially due to the moment we find ourselves living, was truely a piece that should be read by every freedom-loving american.

    Thank you, Hunter.  Thank you for so eloquently capturing the intense outrage we all feel.

  •  Gibson a "Thundering Idiot"? (4.00)
    Sure he is.

    But the correct term, and the accurate frame, is


    This is class warfare.  That is what Bush is about, that is what Cheney is about, in their domestic agenda; their foreign agenda is obviously pure imperialism.

    That makes Gozales, Alito, and the rest "running dogs".

  •  I didn't even finish it (none)
    One of your best, Hunter.

    the dog seducing the couch metaphor (?) to hump it was sheer genius.

  •  The old switcheroo (4.00)
    Seems to me the goal of al Qaeda has been to keep Americans divided and fearful. As long as we are bickering and on edge the terrorists win. But you see, that has been the precise aim of the neocons and their media surrogates. As long as Americans are bickering and fearful the neocons win too. That is what gives them power. So these charges that somehow it is the left that shares some common vision with bin Laden is all the more absurd. It's the old switcheroo.
  •  This fuckhead's Word is shit (4.00)
    Thank you for going to such length to expose John "Very Far Right nutjob" Gibson. He's worse then O'Lielly and even worse then Shamitty, which is pretty fucking bad.
    Monday, he's bashing Walter Cronkite and Friday he's bashing the left. Busy week of bashing. I mean it's not like the RightWing isn't in control of every branch or anything.
  •  Only for you (none)
    Hunter would I follow a link to Fox News! Now excuse me while I bleach my eyeballs...

    Of all your rants and well-researched diaries (it's tough) but I have to vote this the best. Your use of language and metaphor to describe the perfidy of the Right is second to none!

    Recommended to the 10th power!

    Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought- John F. Kennedy

    by vcmvo2 on Fri Jan 20, 2006 at 05:47:53 PM PST

  •  So what is the plan? (4.00)
    How do you get your voice heard and grievences addressed?

    The only way I know to do this is to shut them down. Make it hard or impossible for them to keep a comments or e-mail section open a la the Washington Post fiasco. They have to be inundated with complaints that are respectfull yet loud, clear and that demand that we be given an apology at the very least.

    Nothing short of this will work.

    I'm not angry, I just don't agree with you.

    by brenda on Fri Jan 20, 2006 at 05:48:53 PM PST

    Do not call it the "main stream" media because it is not "main stream".

    Do not call it "traditional" media because it is not that either.

    It is "CORPORATE" media!

    By the corporations, for the corporations of the corporations!

    Was it Marx that said that religion was the opiate of the people?  Maybe in the 19th Century that was the case, but in the 21st century, the opiate is a steady diet of mind-dumbing corporate-controlled-media blather that dulls the senses and saps independent thought!

    •  the antedote (4.00)
      for this is "independent" media

      blogs are that INDEPENDENCE

    •  It is CORPORATE PROPAGANDA (4.00)
      to be more specific.

      Americans now live behind an iron curtain not unlike the ones behind which lived the Soviets.

      However, ours is not physical, but an iron curtain of fake reality, created by those who are the masters of the populance's "window to the world".

      They're not showing a window to the world at all, but a film of their own creation

      "There is more stupidity around than hydrogen and it has a longer shelf life." Frank Zappa.

      by Nordic on Fri Jan 20, 2006 at 06:03:56 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

        Have we lost our democracy long ago?

        Have the corporate powers really taken over?

        Media outlets all trace back to only a handful of corporate entities, such as General Electric and The News Corporation.

        Are we very much like "Neo" in the "Matrix"?

        The man in the cave looking at shades and shadows?

        Stop me before I start linking to Infowars and Art Bell!

        But I need to know one thing - IS KARL ROVE READING MY E-MAILS?

  •   Maybe it's time (4.00)
     to find some dirt on Matthews and rest of the asswhipes.I hate saying this because I always try to take the high road but I'm getting real frustrated .
    •  I agree (shame) (none)
      With both Imus and Matthews, it is their obsession with anything sexual.  What does that tell you?

      I think Matthews is sick. Seriously.

      And Imus....well...hmmmm...have no words to describe that.

  •  Bring Back Cronkite (4.00)
    He's available.  I read a recent interview that he regrets giving up the CBS News anchor spot so early.  

    I don't care if they have to film it at Cedars Sinai, bring him back on the air.

    Are we still routinely torturing helpless prisoners, and if so, does it feel right that we as American citizens are not outraged by the practice? -Al Gore

    by soyinkafan on Fri Jan 20, 2006 at 05:53:04 PM PST

  •  Least we forget... (none)
    MSNBC, Fox News Channel, etc. are (in fact) entertainment cable channels...Matthews, Gibson, et al are hosts of shows that more appropriately fit the "reality" genre than "news" programs.

    These overcompensated bozos are paid to clown around; to draw in their meager audiences sufficiently well to beat the competition...CNN, FOX News Channel, MSNBC and for purposes of entertaining between commercials breaks.  Factual reporting, fair and balanced treatment of guests appearing on their respective "shows" never enters the equation.

    So, only tune-in for the joy of watching each of the respective hosts perform his or her fact deficient, sponsor pleasing act.  Be comforted by the fact that very few people watch their pathetic performances anyway.

    Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

    by TheRef on Fri Jan 20, 2006 at 05:56:12 PM PST

  •  My e-mail to Hardball today (3.83)
    Sloppy Work

    At least three days this week, Matthews has given major focus to Hillary Clinton using the word "plantation".  I know he can't stand her, and that he wants a dinner invitation from Nancy Reagan.  His bias is clear.

    But on tonight's HOT panel, only the Right was represented.  Carlson, Scarborough, and Rita Cosby, the tabloid queen.  You'd think that one of them could have mentioned, ONCE, that Newt Gingrich used the exact sample language.  Interesting question:  What difference in meaning is there if he's saying it than if Hillary is?

    I wrote yesterday, complaining about comparing Michael Moore to Osama Bin Laden.  I watched the latter part of today's show.  And drew a conclusion:  I'm a Neilsen diarist for sweeps ratings next month.  I am boycotting your show entirely next month.  This kind of sloppy, unfair work has officially cost Hardball a ratings point.  I'll wait until 6 to watch Countdown, rather than tuning in early and watching Hardball until Countdown starts.  Enough is enough!

  •  the biggest threat to America (4.00)
    is exactly this.

    American simply doesn't work without a free and vigorous and questioning press.

    That is GONE.  It's DEAD.

    America is no longer working.  Americans are no longer an informed citizenry.  

    Thus the foxes have taken over the henhouse, and the hens haven't figured it out yet.  The watchdogs are all dead, and the hens don't know it.

    Thank you for this diary.

    "There is more stupidity around than hydrogen and it has a longer shelf life." Frank Zappa.

    by Nordic on Fri Jan 20, 2006 at 06:00:53 PM PST

  •  all I can say is... (none)
    Hunter...will you gay marry me? And I'm not even gay.
  •  The only thing the corporate media understands (4.00)
    is power. That is the only thing that will get their attention and the only thing that will change their behavior.

    What we want is for them to change their behavior.

    How we do that is to exert our power. We need to protest loudly and repeatedly until we are heard. We need to make it difficult for them to simply ignore us. Call them, the producers, the program execs, advertizers, anyone involved. Do so in numbers that get their attention.

    If you want this to change, sitting here on kos and complaining, while gratifing, will not achieve the results we want. We must act. What actions are at our dispposal are protests by e-mail, snail mail, phone call or in person if possible.

    Keep it civil but strong and principled. Focus on our main point: "Comparisons of liberals to terrorists are offensive and must stop now." Do not get side tracked. Do not allow your emotions to spiral out of control.

    I'm not angry, I just don't agree with you.

    by brenda on Fri Jan 20, 2006 at 06:10:40 PM PST

    •  They're too commited (4.00)
      they've entered full psyop mode; ready to turn any display of visual protest into a carnival of shrill extremists for the amusement of Joe Sixpack. They are married and commited to the neocon agenda. The only appeal is to their greed.

      The only way to steal their thunder is to target most direct revenue stream they have, your cable account. Give it up for a few months, take the money you would have paid those assholes Independent World Television.

      We will NOT negotiate with terrorists...including the ones in the GOP.

      by HunterKiller on Fri Jan 20, 2006 at 06:55:26 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  Yes! Yes!! (none)
        This is our hope. Even a small donation each month from enough of us will help!!

        From the website:

        Independent World Television is non-profit and accepts no funding from governments, corporations, or commercial advertising.

        In its development phase, IWTnews is funded by non-profit foundations, labour groups, and contributions from individuals. Ultimately, our funding success depends on engaged citizens making small contributions online -- like the or Howard Dean presidential campaign model applied to building a news network...


        Interview on BUZZFLASH with the creator of Independent World Television (IWT), Paul Jay.


        Boycott Corporate Cable So-Called News Shows!

  •  THIS described it for me (4.00)
    bleating mess of cowardice and vapid, yellow political pus
    Very apt.
    Well done, Hunter!
  •  What would John Chancellor say? n/t (none)
  •  Tweety's Circle Jerk (none)
    The "Hardball Hotshots" segment on tonight's Tweety show was a new and nausea-inducing low for MSNBC. Instead of taking the opportunity to apologize for his scurrilous comparison of Michael Moore and Osama, Tweety encourages Scarborough, Crosby and Carlson to elaborate on that comparison.

    Kudos to the ever-decent Keith Olbermann for not sitting down with the rest of the self-satisfied MSNBC muckslingers.    

    •  Hope this is a trend (none)
      MSNBC no longer shows Cosby, Scarborough, or Carlson on Fridays. So I guess they bring them in for "The Friday Circle Jerk" to try get their money's worth out of those hacks.
    •  Of course, with all the Repugs on his panel... (none)
      piling on about Hillary's "plantation" remark, neither Tweety nor the Frog Lady had the decency or sense of balance to reference Gingrich's use of the same term.  How freakin' bogus is that?!!

      Here's a great irony (I apologize if it's already been pointed out):  Tweety compares OBL to Moore on the basis of comments about the war improving the economic welfare of Bush's cronies (or some such) but he fails to point out THAT LAST WEEK HE (TWEETY) WAS STRENUOUSLY ARGUING THAT WE ARE IN IRAQ BECAUSE IT HAS OIL!!  In other words, another economic argument that OBL makes (I believe) and the Repugs all say is traitorous language.  

      Tweety beats up on MM by comparing him to a terrorist but fails to note his own traitorous arguments about the US being in Iraq for oil (traitorous according to the Repugs).

      Go figure.

    •  Poor Keith (none)
      I feel sorry for him, having to be associated with the rest of them.  I hope he keeps it up though, at least until he finds better digs.
  •  I wonder if, by focusing only on Matthews' (none)
    statement, we  might miss the larger point that many of the other cable Fake news broadcast gas-bags were also repeating minor variants of the same 'Osama is now talking like Dems' theme.

    "Osama the terrorist is parroting the very same [treasonous by association] talking points as [insert your favorite  antiwar/antiBush Democrat name here]".

    • I heard Joe Scarborough saying it, substituting Murtha and Dean for Moore.
    • Tucker Carlson also mentioned it, substituting the DNC Dems  and Gore for Moore iirc.

    I think these guys are not so much trying to insult Dems, but are following a script of repeating/reinforcing a possibly coordinated Bush-media meme intended to build a public perception, or draw a subtle linkage between vocal Bush opponents in this country, and the evil terrorist Bin Laden, who is now suddenly in this latest tape, updating his tired old 'Praise be Allah' rhetoric into the language of the [traitorous?] Left.

    So if the Left and Bin Laden are now talking the same language, perhaps it is not so bad, after all, the perception managers hope you will feel, for Bush to be keeping a closer eye on the Left, and bending the rules a bit, the way they have been doing to try to catch all those other  suspected  AQ terrorists and their 'aid and comforters', just like Bushies say they are doing to keep Americans safe.


    •  Any link of Dems with terrorists (4.00)
      must be opposed. No matter how insignificant it is important that we object. That is how we will get respect. They have to learn that if they make a connection between terrorist and democrat they will hear from us.

      Subtle and nuanced postitions will not be heard. We need to be direct, clear and forcefull. We cannot afford to get out of control though. We must not give in to threats or anything remotely violent.

      Just keep it simple, "We are offended, we want an apology, we want you to stop."

      I'm not angry, I just don't agree with you.

      by brenda on Fri Jan 20, 2006 at 06:37:29 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  We have had enough. (4.00)
    Amen, Hunter.  We have had ENOUGH!

    "In a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

    by Five of Diamonds on Fri Jan 20, 2006 at 06:28:14 PM PST

  •  This Is War (none)
    I know this because if the opportunity ever arises, I will hold no forgiveness. And some of those I have in mind are the people in my own life who should know better, but enable this shit.
  •  I cancelled my subscription to the Post (4.00)
    I am just so disgusted with this whole thing - it's the last straw. If they can't see the damage here, they don't deserve to be called a newspaper.

    Only small minds want always to be right - Louis XIV

    by Jamais Vu on Fri Jan 20, 2006 at 06:34:34 PM PST

  •  Why Behind the Bush Spy Eye... (4.00)
    Why is Bush doing domestic spying in a full sweep of the population?  It is not necessary to imagine an end goal.  All we have to do is go back in recent history and see the type of activities the Bush family (Poppy Bush in his CIA and V.P. days) and the Bush Bush Family entourage -- including John Negroponte -- initiated and fullfilled in the past.  I'm focussed here on their controlling presence in the Central and South American Era of Dissappearing the Opposition and Future Progressive Leadership in nations in which they wanted to maintain hegemony.

    Regarding the situation in our contemporary United States, the Bush Family and Entourage know they are "in power" under false pretenses, that Georgie was not elected, and that they are backed only by a handful of corporatists and a small percentage of citizens who are American Taliban.  What the Bush Cabal fears most is exposure and those people savvy enough to research the facts  and conscientious enough to expose the facts. The enemies of the Bushes are the facts and those who deal in facts, and the Bushes desire to disappear the facts and all proponents of the facts.

    In short, the Domestic Spying is prelude to the Disappearance of  All That Supports the Opposition In Any Way.

    The Bush Menace is breathing down our necks.  There's no time to spare.  

    It's imperative to demand and work to 1/ Filibuster Alito, 2/ Impeach Bush and Cheney both, 3/ Stop the Patriot Act, 4/ Stop privatized voting and restore election purity, 5/ Vote the crooks and sociopaths out of office.

  •  the front page (none)
    I am really enjoying the new crew AND the world gets better when Hunter is on the front page. Nice work folks. Hunter, I loved the way you teased us with Tweety, just to pounce on Gboy. I always thought he looked like a vampire with the hair and all.
  •  Hunter, It's not right of you to get me all worked (none)
    up, sweaty, and ready to kill with no way to work it out.  What the fuck are we going to do about it?  I can't take just taking it anymore.  Shall we march to their crumby little stations, and spit in there faces?  Or is there something more effective to do?
  •  Molly Ivans says (4.00)
    Bush, Cheney and Co. will continue to play the patriotic bully card just as long as you let them. I've said it before: War brings out the patriotic bullies. In World War I, they went around kicking dachshunds on the grounds that dachshunds were "German dogs." They did not, however, go around kicking German shepherds. The MINUTE someone impugns your patriotism for opposing this war, turn on them like a snarling dog and explain what loving your country really means. That, or you could just piss on them elegantly, as Rep. John Murtha did. Or eviscerate them with wit (look up Mark Twain on the war in the Philippines). Or point out the latest in the endless "string of bad news."

    Do not sit there cowering and pretending the only way to win is as Republican-lite. If the Washington-based party can't get up and fight, we'll find someone who can.

    Be a German shephard

    I'm not angry, I just don't agree with you.

    by brenda on Fri Jan 20, 2006 at 06:48:05 PM PST

  •  Getting Closer Each Day (none)
    To getting rid of my cable. Completely. Netflix can fill my entertainment needs, and I puke in my mouth everytime I read something like this and know that part of my monthly bill goes to subsidize programming that marginalizes me.
    •  Just cancel. (none)
       Stop feeding the beast.

      I tell you there is a fire. They have this day set a blazing torch to the temple of constitutional liberty and, please God, we shall have no more peace forever.

      by Anderson Republican on Fri Jan 20, 2006 at 07:04:27 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  There is absolutely no way in hell I will (none)
      ever get cable again.  The utter absurdity of having to PAY big bucks for the privilege of having empty-headed airheads spew propaganda at me over a PASSIVE, NON-INTERACTIVE medium.  And not only does one pay top-dollar for the propaganda, you also pay for it further in the form of commercials.  LMAO!

      "Welcome, viewer!  Here is some propaganda.  Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah, the GOP rules!, Blah Blah Blah Democrats suck Blah Blah Blah.  And now...for some words from our sponsors that our allowing you to receive this glorious propaganda!"

      (10 minutes later... the propaganda resumes)

      It's utterly ridiculous for anyone to pay for that privilege.

      Then, you are down to the other programming.  Well, ESPN seemed like a good idea before I got cable, and I love sports, but I just don't watch that channel.  Don't have the time.  Just don't care.  And regarding other programming, dramas, etc.., most can either be gotten from DVDs nowadays, or through the basic over-the-air channels, or through other means.

      The days of paying for propaganda are over.

  •  I Smell a Rat (4.00)
    Isn't it interesting that within 24 hours of bin Laden's tape being release, between Fox and CNN we have every prominent Dem from Howard Dean to Michael Moore compared with him. That's just a little too well coordinated, even for the corporate media. But not for Karl.

    They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. -- Franklin

    by carolita on Fri Jan 20, 2006 at 06:53:22 PM PST

  •  Hunter... (none)
    sometimes your writing (in the dark moments) reminds me of the imagery in Les Chants de Maldoror, by Comte de Lautreamont (Lucien Ducasse)...a VERY dark poetic novel.

    Dark and beautiful.

    As for Gibson and the other corporate media whores (I almost hate to use whores here...I don't want to compare whores to such ugly fucking bastards), they deserve what they get...and I have a feeling that when karma comes back around for them, they'll feel incredibly sorry for what they've done...who knows, perhaps they'll go to jail for some crime or all the other Republican criminals.

    Anyway, excellent writing...and I think I'm going to re-read Maldoror...

  •  While (4.00)
    I agree with the diarist's sentiments, Democrats (with the exception of John Kerry) have dropped the ball on this gift that they have received from Bin Laden.

    It really is discouraging to see this.

    If the Dems would have gone on the offensive with this, we would be seeing these media whores on the defensive.

    Shame on you democrats!  Shame on you!

    Can we wait even a SECOND longer? SEE GRAPHIC...

    by STOP George on Fri Jan 20, 2006 at 07:01:17 PM PST

  •  Thank You Bloggers (4.00)
    Have you all noticed that it use to be DAYS for  the Lefties to get their opposing view out into the media?  And now look what happened this week....WHAM BAM!!!! JUST Minutes!!!!

    AND the Righties in the MEDIA KNOW they are telling lies ...and getting caught!

    And then that LOU DOBBS goes and LIES like that this evening about the WAPO blog.

    DON'T LET UP PEOPLE. Each day more people are waking up to the lies of the Bush Administration.

    Here's an example...
    There are about 41 Iraq Veterans so far running for political office this fall, 40 are running as DEMOCRATS!!!!  THAT SHOULD TELL YOU SOMETHING!!!!!  F O R T Y!!  40!!! out of 41!!!

  •  Yep, I Smell a Rat Named Rove as Well (none)
    Guess I didn't want to think that the media-whores, as bad as they are, take their marching orders directly from Rove. After today's coordinated effort to link Osama with the loyal opposition, however, the scales have fallen away from my eyes.  
  •  DAMN! (none)
    Hunter really knows his rhetoric.  The fact that it's so wrapped in the truth only makes it more powerful.

    Maybe the best thing I've read since... well, since Hunter answered the sissy wingnut challenge of "are you sure you want to go there?".

    God knows it's a crime to do this, because Hunter's every word should be read and carefully digested...

    ...but shoter Hunter for the wingnut trolls:

    Bin Laden's message wasn't meant for us - IT WAS MEANT FOR YOU.

    Kill those damn lefties and hippies with their crazy ideas of equality for all humanity, for their belief in the fact sex organs shouldn't be a factor in leadership, for their indifference to the romantic attractions of our brothers and sisters, for their refusal to understand that our climate and conflict requires the abandonment of "quaint" customs of human rights and decency, for their refusal to accept the facade they present as God's plan, a refusal to accept some abomination disguised as edict that we can please God by slaughtering his creations.

    I didn't realize until I read Hunter -- but this is Bin Laden's Ribbentrop negotiating with Limbaugh and company's Molotov.

    Maybe it's more it's a bit more devious - but Bin Laden isn't trying to exploit the "crazy left's" position, he's trying to fuel the right's hatred of us.  Get rid of the crazies that don't believe the crusades should be relegated to sad lessons of history - and we can fight it out as we should have centuries ago.  The last tribe alive wins.

    So tell me, my patriotic, conservative, right-wing friends... will you sign the pact?

  •  Hunter, You Keep Me Motivated (none)
    I can't add anything new to all the comments about the eloquence and power of your writing, but feel compelled to chime in.

    Just wanted to thank you for such masterful use of the English language.  

    These blowhards are rapidly becoming irrelevant, and they know it.  We have too many sources of real truth and real journalism now, Hunter being a shining example, and "truthiness" is hopefully seeing its last gasp.

  •  Terror Attacks (none)
    I don't fear losing my life in another terror attack, I fear losing our democracy.

    "To any sheriff or peace officer of the State of Texas; Greetings: You are hereby commanded to arrest: Thomas Dale Delay" -Warrant for Tom Delay

    by who threw da cat on Fri Jan 20, 2006 at 07:25:15 PM PST

  •  well it's about damn time. (none)
    All these talking heads should've been discounted their shows un-patronized 12 years ago.

    so you think I'm a troll? Well kiss my hairy troll nalgas then

    by MetaProphet on Fri Jan 20, 2006 at 07:27:59 PM PST

  •  Modus-Operandi-o-Hunter (none)
    "Writing is easy. You just sit down at the typewriter and open a vein."
    Red Smith

    Kudos, as always...

    "Would that heaven might inspire some Jersey maid to spirit up her countrymen, and save her fair fellow sufferers from ravage and ravishment!" ~ Thomas Paine

    by eluminata on Fri Jan 20, 2006 at 07:37:30 PM PST

  •  I'll pass CNN channel like a bad odor (none)
    As an aspiring writer, I always look for your posts because of your subject matter, and you show me a great deal about writing and it's free!  This post was so good and on target that I didn't even notice the typos others pointed out.  It is the premise that is important and, boy, did you nail it.

    I am apalled (don't know why I'm surprised) that CNN has hired Glenn Black of radio infamousy) and Bill Bennett to spout their drivel to the brain-dead minions. I stopped watching the MSN news channels ages ago but would peek in on CNN occasionaly.  Then, stomach-turning Blitzer caused me to stop watching them. I emailed CNN to give them my 'what for' this morning.  I always read the blogs (though I seldom participate) and watch FSTV for the real news.  Bravo for this escellent post!

  •  Guru maharishi journalism (none)
    Dear Mr. Matthews:

    This past fall and winter have brought you to a new level of serenity and euphoria.

    As President George W. Bush is touched with sunny nobility, so your political commentary is bathed in bliss.

    You're an alchemist, turning brutal personal and political antipathies into transcendent joy.  I see this achievement in your unwrinkled and placid tan, your delighted sideways glance, and your irresistible smile.  

    Combine this with an ambitious mind, Mr. Matthews, and you have the power to take those huge metaphorical leaps in a single bound, recognizing patterns of history and subtle resonances of tone, revealing the similarity of Michael Moore and Osama Bin Laden!

    What is the secret of your achievement?  The affirmation of wealth?  The negation of desire?  Rush Limbaugh's  doctor?  Please tell!

  •  The Grain of Truth Argument (none)
    It is depressing to listen to these media pundits, Mathews, McLaughlin, Russert etc. To me they are millionaires riding high in the Bush era debating the grain of truth theory about the unethical actions of the ruling class in America. To debate domestic wiretapping without warrants is not debatable, it is  settled law. Yet that is what they all do, trying to find that small grain of truth in what Bush says. The argument does not exist.
  •  Oh, my God ... (none)
     ... oh my God, oh my God, Hunter ... you are SO BRILLIANT.  

    Your post was so incredibly satisfying; I need a cigarette (and I don't even smoke).

    Thank you for so effectively and passionately putting into words what so many of us are thinking and feeling.

  •  So, now what? (none)

    (-8.88/-7.64) Feingold in '08 | "I drink from the keg of glory, Donna. Bring me the finest muffins and bagels in all the land!"

    by Joshua Lyman on Fri Jan 20, 2006 at 08:18:27 PM PST

  •  asdf (none)
    It's called Freedom of Speech, and speech still includes totally idiotic comments; even if he is on the air.
  •  Check this out (none)

    Chris Maatthews Blog

    Someone is paying attention!  Yes!

  •  Phone number for Hardball (none)
    (202) 824-6707
  •  How to shake the MSM tree. (none)
    Shaming the MSM sounds like THE idea for our times. No more forgiveness. It's time to break out of this dysfunctional loop. I say we need a law that disallows any MSM employee from owning shares in any MSM company. Talk about it loud and often. Whether such a law ever passes or not, the threat of it will tame their lying asses in a hurry.

    MSM products are designed to generate advertising revenues. "Personalities" are encouraged to be as outrageous as it takes to boost ratings because publicly traded shares are all about- enriching the share owners. Who gets lots of shares for "compensation" at an MSM?  The revenues are more important than anything including accuracy, including independent thought, and including, obviously, the constitutional mandate which calls on the press to be the reliable, independent source of information our democracy requires. All of the motivation is going against it. The result is a classic example of the Corporate/Republican Flag flying higher than the Stars and Stripes of the United States of America.  What is a simple, caring American citizen to do- conservative or liberal?

    Shaming the MSM sounds like THE idea for our times. Get their damn attention. This is a democracy. Disallow any MSM employee from owning shares in a MSM company. Give them a call and tell them you don't think their compensation should include shares because THEY ARE NOT SERVING THE DEMOCRACY with honesty and accuracy. I guarantee this will shake them to their toes. Guaranteed.

    I have an idea (while I'm not sure its a good one), that amuses me to no end.

    The religous fundamentalists currently have a campaign going to unbundle cable.  They want to be able to purchase only select channels so that their families are not subjected to the filth currently shown on cable.

    Wouldn't it be funny to join their campaign and let our legislators know that we too want to be able to protect our families from the filth, hate talk and revisionist history contained on CNN, FOX and MSMBC. We might also state that we would like to opt out of some of the religious programing on cable since we do not want our children subjected to those programs that preach the killing of leaders of other countries or that God's wrath came down on the people of New Orleans or Arial Sharron.

    Never, never thought I would agree with the fundamentalists about anything, but here it is.
    Just love to turn their right wing ideas around on them.

    •  GREAT idea... (none)
      ...Remember, Comedy Channel and the Law and Order Channel (TNT) and the rest of basic cable all subsidize Pat Robertson as well as Fux "News". If cable were unbundled, we'd have a way of voting by our choices.

      "...and the ones that are lucky ones come home on the day after tomorrow..." -- Tom Waits

      by Newton Snookers on Fri Jan 20, 2006 at 10:46:30 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  Great Idea (none)

    •  I tried that with Comcast (none)
      and ran into a brick wall when I told them I wanted a Cable package that did not include the three cable FAKE News channels.  

      Then I questioned them why there was not one  independent  European or Canadian  origin english language channel  with regular  news/current affairs programming (like I know from my travels are available) offered, even in their super-duper 300 channel digital cable package, just the 3 US FAKE News channels? Answers: "Why do you ask? Don't you like  FOX/MSNBS/CNN? You are the first person I have ever heard ask that question."

      •  UNBUNDLED NEWS (none)
        To shumard

        You currently can not get unbundled cable.  As we blog, the religious right wing of the Republican party is lobbying to unbundle cable so they don't have to pay for all those "filthy" programs.  I think we should lobby to allow us not to pay for channels we don't want.

  •  Outstanding, Hunter (none)
    Best thing you've written on dKos.  Thanks. Response For Hurricane Evacuees

    by socal on Fri Jan 20, 2006 at 09:42:11 PM PST

  •  Lockstep Talking Points (none)
    So transparent.
  •  Over the top (none)
    Way overblown.  So Mathews said OBL sounded like Michael Moore.   A pedestrian observation and kinda funny.  Up there with Team America's puppet Micheal Moore with the bomb strapped on his chest.  One thing I do know is Moore could care less what is said about him and it amuses him to no end either.
    So take a chill pill and do like Mike.

    "I'm an insect who dreamed he was a man and loved it. But now the dream is over..." - Charles E. Pogue, "The Fly".

    by edsdet on Fri Jan 20, 2006 at 09:54:03 PM PST

  •  Don't mean to patronize.... (none)
    but Hunter, you are a genius...and I am envious of how clearly you can express and elaborate on the points you make

    And yes, Chris Matthews needs to go...if he had any sense of history, he would be comparing Michael Moore to Thomas Paine...but it's just show time for him and loads of BS

  •  Sensational, Hunter (none)
    This country needs more people to write and read words like yours.

    What is it going to take for this thing to finally catch fire?

    "The fool doth think he is wise, but the wise man knows himself to be a fool." -- William Shakespeare, As You Like It

    by Eloi Scientist on Fri Jan 20, 2006 at 09:58:28 PM PST

  •  it takes a revolution (none)
    Well said, Hunter and everybody.  

    Since we are all terrorists now, it's time to start the revolution.  New movie V for Vendetta will shake things up as the good guys blow up the government in their fight for freedom.

    Read my V for Vendetta dk diary or click my sig for more.

  •  A (none)
    beautiful piece.

    I've been watching Chris Matthews pretty much daily for the last three months (don't ask) and it blows my mind that this guy is supposed to be the "liberal" on cable news.

    1. He brags about voting for Bush in one election
    2. He brags how much he likes the president as a person - Hearing him talk about he and Bush chummed around at x-mas party made me sick to my stomach
    3. He is prone to hyperbolic non sequitors like this Michael Moore comment on a regular basis

    The question I keep coming back to is: why does Chris Matthews having a television show? What exactly does this guy put on the table? He's just a bloviating character of himself - just like the rest of media bigwigs. It's more important to be a commodity, than be an actual fucking journalist who asks real questions.

    Will the day ever come when actual "liberals" have their own television shows?

    Jared's Weekly Political Newsletter: "I love America more than you do!" (email me to sign up)

    by Jaredhw61 on Fri Jan 20, 2006 at 11:09:56 PM PST

  •  Ad campaign? (none)
    Would this work?  Plaster an ad exposing Chris Matthews as a hack, demanding a direct public apology?

    There's gotta be a way to hold these guys accountable for saying crap like this.  How can we make this embarrasing and uncomfortable for him and MSNBC?  

  •  Wow. (none)
    I don't post here often, but I read here alot.

    And THIS is one of the best diaries of its type that I've read.

    Darksyde made the first comment by saying "Amen, brother."

    Indeed.  Amen.

  •  Unfortunately, You're Wrong... (none)
    I agree with every word. But, last night, on Hardball, we were treated to the unbelievable site of not only Matthews NOT apologizing, but being poked in the eye on top of the initial insult. Hardball invited Joe Scarborough, the blonde-bimbo-who-calls-herself-a-journalist, and Tucker Carlson to join with Matthews in a McCarthyite bashfest of derision, contempt and in-your-face insult fest against "public enemies" who don't support Bush. So, unfortunately, Hunter, not only did Matthews NOT apologize, but he smacked viewers for daring to seek redress at all. It was a LAUGHABLE and spectacularly ABSURD show, but it was also clear that Chris Matthews and MSNBC intend to take their war against Americans to the hilt. As to Gibson, his excuse is that he is, at least, transparent about his political perspective.
  •  perfect (none)
    That was brilliant.  Four stars.
  •  Check out Michael Moore's website! (none)
    excuse if this is already posted:


  •  Amen! (none)
    & pass the ammunition.

    The future ain't what it used to be. Yogi Berra

    by x on Sat Jan 21, 2006 at 10:13:45 AM PST

  •  The Washington D.C. state of mind (none)
    Washington media, puts the desired end result as a starting point, and edits Bin Laden movie #216 to suit its needs.
    The state of mind of the current Washington D.C. Cabal can be understood by watching the movie "Pi (1998)"
  •  Have to be trusted by the people that you lie to (none)
    E N O U G H : A Declaration of Media War

    Time to Stalk Prey, Count Scalps, and Take No More Prisoners

    I have long been dumbfounded at the foul dreck spewed by this public figure, this figment of media imagination that arrogantly pushes a patched-together psyche through life calling itself John Gibson. His latest and greatest offense it to equate the loyal opposition here in America with Osama bin Laden.
    This Fox News anchor bully spells his name all-too much like my own as he foists his vapid pabulum on America currying favor with his elite corporate masters as the mangy neo-fascist lap-dog he is. That he also has come to call his blog My Word - as I have done for three years already - adds a small personal insult to the greater injury he causes nation & world. If this pathetic wretch of a man-thing hasn't come across my site by now, then I hope these converging topics and keywords focus his attention. He's a divisive charlatan peddling animosity drenched snake-oil to a country wounded by attacks from without, a hostile take-over administration from above that does not believe in the general welfare, to a people weary of feckless invasions that spread death and breed terrorism which can only come back to haunt our children, He's emblematic of what is so utterly bankrupt with the Republican/Conservative party.
    You and your tax-dodging puppet-master Rupert can kiss my American *ss.

    Hunter at the Daily KOS summarizes my boiling anger and expresses it better than I can in the short time I allow myself to write these posts. His is brilliant prose neatly dissecting this worm sporting a haircut.
    Something must be done as this cannot go on further.
    Embrace the righteous anger.

    - Jonathan "The One True" Gibson

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