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Over the last few days, I have watched with concern as prominent media personalities and political pundits like Chris Matthews have engaged in reckless rhetoric comparing critics of the Bush Administration to the world's most wanted terrorist, Osama Bin Laden.  This isn't just offensive, it's absurd-- and harmful to our nation.

I share your outrage about the insulting comparison between Democrats and the man who is actively pursuing America's annihilation.  I urge you to keep up your public pressure on MSNBC so that it gets the message that these reckless comparisons to Bin Laden made by its commentators don't have any place in our political discourse.

No matter what their personal political beliefs may be, all Americans are united in their desire to bring a barbaric terrorist who struck America on September 11th, 2001 to justice. And though we may not always agree on the tactics used, we must stand together in our commitment to protect this nation and it's citizens from harm.

On November 1, 2005, Chris Matthews accused Democrats of "perhaps exploiting" the tragic deaths of our brave men and women serving in Iraq (Hardball, 11/1/05).  To suggest that the deaths of our service men and women could be used for political gain cheapens their sacrifice and trivializes the debate on one of the most important policy issues facing our nation.  I might be able to chock this up to a callus slip of the tongue if it weren't for the fact that these irresponsible comments are becoming a pattern for Mr. Matthews and other hosts on his network.

Since May 18, 2005, Chris Matthews has made statement after statement to do the Administration’s bidding

And last week, in one day, three different MSNBC hosts compared those who dare to question the Administration to America's most hated terrorist.  Mr. Matthews latest affront to responsible journalism took the form of comparing war critics to Osama bin Laden (Hardball, 1/19/06).  Perpetuating this offensive trend, MSNBC host Joe Scarborough piled on, "If you look at a lot of the things that Osama bin Laden said, it sounds like an awful lot like what we hear from a lot of the president`s political enemies domestically." (Scarborough Country, 1/19/06).  Tucker Carlson said, "Coming up, on THE SITUATION, we`ll listen to more of that chilling Osama bin Laden tape.  I`ll tell you why bin Laden is starting to sound a lot like Howard Dean." (The Situation with Tucker Carlson, 1/19/05).

Comparisons between Americans and Osama bin Laden have no place in our national discourse.  This rhetoric is pointlessly divisive and serves only to distract us from our most pressing priority: the capture of Osama bin Laden and the destruction of his terrorist organization.

If some Americans support alternative strategies in achieving victory in our war on terror, we ought to have an open debate to ensure that Congress and this Administration take the best course of action. Having real debates about our national security efforts at home and abroad will keep the pressure on our leaders to do what is right for the nation and the world.

The role of America's media is to inform citizens of the actions the government is taking to keep them safe and protect them from future terrorist attacks.  Our newspapers, radio, and television programs are supposed to help sort fact from fiction and present a neutral account of domestic and international policy.  Americans trust that their news sources will provide them with unbiased news, which will enable them to form their own judgments on the actions of national leaders.  Our media has no business proselytizing its own narrow political agenda on the public's airwaves.

Again, I mentioned above, I share your outrage about the insulting comparison between Democrats and the man who is actively pursuing America's annihilation.  Keep up your public pressure on MSNBC the public pressure on MSNBC so that it gets the message that these reckless comparisons to Bin Laden made by its commentators don't have any place in our political discourse.  We must remind them that our enemy is Osama bin Laden, not the diverse views of the American people.  We are united in our desire to rid the world of evil terrorists, and our will is stronger than opportunists who would divide us for political gain.

Thank y'all again for making me feel so welcome to your community. -LMS

Originally posted to Rep Louise Slaughter on Tue Jan 24, 2006 at 04:07 PM PST.

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  •  Thanks Rep. Slaughter (4.00)
    For being the first Democrat to come out on this issue.  We all need to keep up this pressure. Recommended.
    •  I'd love to see Ms. Slaughter (4.00)
      on the Daily Show to skewer Matthews et al on precisely this point.

      "I just had the basic view of the American public -- it can't be that bad out there." Marine Travis Williams after 11 members of his squad were killed.

      by Steven D on Tue Jan 24, 2006 at 04:26:27 PM PST

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    •  Let's make sure we understand Bin Laden's purpose. (3.55)
      Yes, on the surface it sounds as though Bin Laden is trying to get the attention of the American people with his latest message. His purpose seems to be to persuade them to stop supporting Bush's war. Of course, the Bush administration is promoting this interpretation in order to portray any who might oppose the war (e.g., Michael Moore) as allies of Bin Laden.

      I think something far more sophisticated is going on.

      Let's remember that we Americans have underestimated Bin Laden and his cohort before. We did not think them capable of sophisticated thought, of being able to plan out and execute the Nine Eleven attack. I think we are still a little too eager to believe that Bin Laden is just a foolish Arab murderer who can't possibly have a good grasp of motivational psychology.

      We laugh at the mad man's foolish attempts to terrorize the American people with words and scare them into submission, but I submit that Bin Laden's message was constructed with one audience in particular in mind, and that audience was not the American people. Rather, I think his message was intended for (A) his followers, and for (B) those whom he is trying to recruit to his cause.

      I'll grant that he might have held out a little bit of hope that his message might somehow inspire a few dim-witted soccer moms (his perception) to rally to his cause, but I don't read the man as being quite that incredibly stupid. I would suggest, instead, that his real purpose was simply to produce a public statement that would serve to fortify the morale of his "troops in the field." If you've read the text of Bin Laden's message, read it again with this possibility in mind.

      Notice that throughout his message, he is defining the holy warriors of Al-Qaeda as not only virtuous [in their eyes], but also as reasonable and willing to call an end to the fighting on `just terms.' Such words may not be persuasive to Americans, but they are likely to be effective in encouraging Bin Laden's `mujahideen' to perceive their actions and sacrifices as supremely noble.

      Bin Laden's primary target audience is his devoted followers, and then also those whom he hopes to recruit to his cause. Young Arab males who are feeling incensed by the injustice they perceive could conceivably be persuaded by Bin Laden's words to see the Al-Qaeda cause as both virtuous and reasonable instead of just driven by blood lust and xenophobic hatred, as the American-backed government in Baghdad portrays them.

      Perhaps that is the main purpose of this latest Bin Laden tape, to answer the criticism of Al-Qaeda that has been expressed in certain quarters of the Arab world lately. Achieving that purpose through a speech supposedly directed at the American people is not an inspiration that requires cleverness as much as it does intuition.

      I would like to suggest that we try not to underestimate this man's methods and purposes again.

      •  What I know about bin laden's objective... (none)
        is from the get-go, he wanted the USA to bankrupt itself.

        Well, thanks to Bush and his cronies, bin laden has seen heaven on earth.

        LetsFight. re handle: Fight the radical right is the sentiment!

        by letsfight on Tue Jan 24, 2006 at 07:35:19 PM PST

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      •  Bush Administration policies (none)
        have only bolstered bin Laden's followers. You're right, bib Laden isn't stupid. He knows no one in America has any respect for him- that is why he is trying to sound vaguely like American war critics. He WANTS a reactionary Bush administration in the US because the angrier the world gets with America the more followers bin Laden gets. He wants a war between America and the Islamic world. So bin Laden is TRYING to destroy the credibility of domestic opposition to Bush and repeating and pointing out these so-called similarities between bin Laden and war critics is EXACTLY WHAT AL-QUEDA WANTS.

        Simply put: Chris Matthews is a terrorist pawn.

        •  It's true (none)
          Bin Laden is playing the right.

          (Or, in my darker moments, I suspect he and the right are in it together -- if not in deliberate collusion, then on some level where both of them recognize how much they need each other and therefore really don't put all their resources into the other's destruction.)

          The timing of his tape released right before election 2004 couldn't be plainer -- put out a tape taunting Bush, pop him over the top in votes.

          Why the one now? I don't know, although if Bin Laden is following US politics, he might know that Bush needs a popularity boost.

      •  I think the rationale is a bit simpler than this (none)
        Who's bringing up the War on Some Terrorists in order to cover his incompetence and illegal activities?

        This strategy doesn't work well without at least a few real "name" terrorists to point at.

        Is it just a coincidence that bin Laden chose to come out from under his rock when even the Moonie press is talking "impeachment"?

        I've suspected for some years that Usama bin Laden and George Bush are effectively working for the same people.

        The bad news... bin Laden also controls the timing of any promised terrorist attack in the USA. When would the GOP want such a thing to take place given a choice?

        Perhaps a day or so before Election Day? Or during in an area expected to go Blue anyway?

        Looking for intelligent energy policy alternatives? Try here.

        by alizard on Wed Jan 25, 2006 at 01:00:01 AM PST

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      •  yes and no (none)
        I think it's a two-part strategy on his part.

        The first part is what you've mentioned - he wants to portray his cause as "reasonable" in order to gain more supporters. This is especially important for him because of how Zarqawi has been blowing up civilians in Iraq about as often as military personnel. That doesn't bode well for their PR, and bin Laden is doing some damage control.

        The other part is linked to his objectives with the US. No matter how righteous people might belive his cause is, he can't have a war unless those same people think the threat is real. He NEEDS our troops over there. So he has issued this statement in order to achieve just that - a hardened stance and a greater resolve to keep our troops there.

        Every last one of us knew exactly how conservative America (the part that Bush listens to) would react to this statement. They would double-down on the "we can't let the terrorists win! we've got to stay until the job is done" rhetoric. Their response was as predictable as the morning sunrise - and bin Laden knows that.

        He directed that message towards us in order to ensure that our troops stay in Iraq for a long time to come. He needs that at least as much as Bush does.

        Without our troops there, his attempts to shore up support in the Middle East by way of appearing "reasonable" are a waste of time.

    •  Technically (none)
      Rep Slaughter is the second Congressmen to address this subject.  Sen John Kerry brought it up in his first Dkos diary.

      Vyan

      •  My bad guys (none)
        I meant to type the "First House Democrat," not the "First Democrat." It's significant nonetheless. Sen. Kerry was the first to launch a volley from the Senate side, and now Rep. Slaughter is doing it from the House side. Now we need more of others with their courage to speak up.
    •  Senator John Kerry posted (4.00)
       a diary about this issue on Daily Kos.

      So I don't think Rep Slaughter is the first to do so {but this is not to discount her effort in any way!}.  

      "Rovus Vulgaris Americanus" nasty soon-to-be-indicted co-conspirator -7.63, -9.59

      by shpilk on Tue Jan 24, 2006 at 06:26:05 PM PST

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  •  Thanks Ms Slaughter (3.75)
    and can I have the address of your fountain of youth?? You look phenomenal!!!
  •  Just in case you missed kos's (4.00)
    diary...http://www.dailykos.com/...

    There's so much on this site it's easy to miss great diaries!

    Empty the treasury with a bogus war, then gut the social service programs equals class warfare.

    by mattes on Tue Jan 24, 2006 at 04:09:43 PM PST

    •  Chris MathewsHas a son who volenteered (4.00)
      For the Dean Campaign.Perhaps he should ask his son if he's proud of his Daddy after his disgusting performance of the last couple of weeks.

      How Tweety can say that W is tough on national security when Osama Bin Forgotten is still free to plot his next attack is sickening.

      http://dumpjoe.com/

      by ctkeith on Tue Jan 24, 2006 at 04:35:37 PM PST

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      •  9/11 happened on Bushco watch.... (none)
        love that line!

        Empty the treasury with a bogus war, then gut the social service programs equals class warfare.

        by mattes on Tue Jan 24, 2006 at 04:38:33 PM PST

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      •  "he should ask his son if he's proud" (none)
        My comment exactly, on the "open letter".  I think it's despicable that there's been no apology from Matthews, other than "no, no - you misunderstood me".  Please.

        "Let all the dreamers wake the nation." ~Carly Simon

        by Nancy in LA on Tue Jan 24, 2006 at 04:47:38 PM PST

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        •  "Chris, are you proud of your behavior?" (none)
          Who does more damage to a country, the one who points out publicly that the leaders are making serious mistakes or the one who insists that no questions can be asked?

          Democrats: Giving you a government that works.

          by freelunch on Tue Jan 24, 2006 at 05:12:08 PM PST

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          •  I agree.... (none)
            by the way; why don't we here the Dems talk about the International Criminal Court?

            In Iraq our folks are being used like police officers and we are trying to enforce some of the Iraqi laws; we are not fighting terrorism, but organized crime and an armed resistence.

            The Iraqi's need to establish a loose Democracy that allows the Sunni's, Shia and Kurds to live under their own laws.

            Our troops are an irritant and need to be withdrawn except for a couple of bases in the south and one or two in the north and we need to let those people work out their differences.

            Back to the International Criminal Court - we need to set-up a legal framework to allow the international community to bring terrorists to justice under the law and not through torture laden detention practices.

            If we can get the international community to sign a treaty(s) that would allow the international community to punish international criminals through the international criminal court we would set ourselves up for long-term success.

            Finally, we need to fully adhere to the Geneva Conventions and repect the civil liberties of people in our custody and if we do so it will better position us to negotiate quality assistance from friendly countries. Just my 2 cents.

            Honor bound to defend freedom. Freedom is long-standing army regulations.

            by RichardG on Tue Jan 24, 2006 at 07:02:23 PM PST

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      •  Tweety's kid worked for DEAN?!? (none)
        You serious?  I bet Bushco threatened to withhold those regular checks when they found that out!

        When you couldn't get a real journalism job, there's Fox News.

        by The Truffle on Tue Jan 24, 2006 at 06:52:04 PM PST

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        •  ..or spying. (none)

          Empty the treasury with a bogus war, then gut the social service programs equals class warfare.

          by mattes on Tue Jan 24, 2006 at 08:44:55 PM PST

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        •  Reality (none)
              MSNBC should replace Mathews with Aaron Brown. I could see Mathews possibly being hired by CNN... but he is such a poor journalist. The sad thing about Mathews is FOX  and I even think MSNBC consider him as "liberal" media representation. He is taking up important space.  
          •  It is not just Matthews, (none)
            it is the whole damn MSMBC corporate structure. They all, with the exception of Keith have to play into Bush's hands, and as of late even Keith has gone easy on them. Just this morning, they had a segment on "how the lobbying legislation will hurt the restuarant business in D.C.". There was this guy, a restaurant owner, on saying how if there are restrictions placed on lobbying, the will be hurt. This is not the issue, a free meal is not the problem, it is the thousands and thousands of dollars and other special favors these politicians get from the lobbyists to vote in their favor, or allow them to write legislation, re: the medicare/perscription drug bill. MSNBC is choosing to let America know the politicians are not the only ones to be hurt by curtailing lobbyists, it is the poor, working for below minimum wage, waiter/waitress who will be injured, because tips will be reduced. Give me a fucking break, these bastards are trying any angle to blunt the impact of this shit.
      •  Oh, it gets better. (4.00)
        His brother is running for Lt Gov in Penn.

        See HERE.

        Is that an 'R' next to his name?  Why yes, yes it is.

  •  Thanks (3.66)
    for all your contributions here.  We will keep it up.
    Also, sorry to pick nits, but it's Joe Scarborough, not Chris.  I think he deserves full credit for his comment.

    A good plan today is better than a perfect plan tomorrow.

    by Webster on Tue Jan 24, 2006 at 04:10:13 PM PST

  •  And while we're reminding people (4.00)
    That Osama bin Laden is our enemy, someone might want to remind dubya of that little fact.

    The American taxpayers wouldn't object to free transportation for certain government officials if they'd go where we wish they would.

    by PatsBard on Tue Jan 24, 2006 at 04:10:33 PM PST

    •  I think he NEEDS reminding. (4.00)
      It certainly appears that he perceives US as the enemy. Most of his actions in office have hurt us, the people of the United States.

      Who HAS been helped?
      Who has gained in converts?
      Who has gained monetarily?
      Who has gained in power?

      Whover that is is the person/people that Dubya serves.

      "I don't think the ethics committees are working very well." -- John McCain on Meet the Press, 12/04/05.

      by bablhous on Tue Jan 24, 2006 at 04:34:27 PM PST

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    •  Some quotes from (4.00)
      Bush regarding Bin Laden, six months after Sept. 11 2001:

      Press Conference March 2002

      BUSH: "So I don't know where he is.  You know, I just don't spend that much time on him [Bin Laden], Kelly, to be honest with you..."

      BUSH Later: "And, again, I don't know where he [Bin Laden] is.  I  --  I'll repeat what I said.  I truly am not that concerned about him."

      In reference to Bush's Bin Laden quotes above, I think Bush is for once, actually telling us the truth.

      Why be concerned about Bin Laden when you can instead invade a country that didnt attack us, and illegally spy on American Quakers, American war protesters and Google users?

      "My question for today is: Why are contemporary Republicans so full of shit?" ~ Alec Baldwin

      by assyrian64 on Tue Jan 24, 2006 at 05:00:41 PM PST

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  •  i (4.00)
    I also find it amazing that they just don't seem to understand that a president with a 36-38% popularity rating is NOT POPULAR.

    They continue to act as if its only the fringe who believe the war is wrong, who find bush a disaster of a president, etc etc

    •  they're trying to make that a self-fulfilling (4.00)
      prophecy.

      If they can ignore the scientific polls and convince people that only weirdos and bad people and people on the fringe feel the way the majority actually feels, the typical conformist, mass-media-believing American out there will start supporting Bush and the war again, so they hope.  It is a trick that has worked for them many times.  It may be a little harder now.  

      Check out my lte archive at http://www.livejournal.com/users/tomletters and feel free to use my ideas for your own lte's.

      by DemDachshund on Tue Jan 24, 2006 at 04:16:19 PM PST

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      •  If not that, then... (none)
        I think that these republi-KKKons are counting on their media influence to show the DEMS as stilll having no plan, no voice, no opposition...

        Which is why it's CRUCIAL that the DEMS filibuster Alito (if necessary).  Call their bluff, show Lindsay Graham as the coward he is and force their hand...NOW!

        Otherwise, the republi-bully corporate-controlled media will "paint" the Dems as weak on policy, manners, spine, and principle.

        What's it gonna take, DEMS???

        Just fucking do it!

      •  yes, the media (4.00)
        keeps telling us that alito is in with no problem. they tell us that bush is on the offensive over his illegal spying. they tell us that he is on this offensive because he is doing great in the polling. they are lazy liars.
      •  Making their own reality (4.00)
        as Suskind told us - the Bushco philosophy is that they can make their own reality.

        It's becoming clear, crystal clear, who, in the media, are the tools for this reality-making business.  

        Anyone who missed SusanG's interview with Daniel Ellsberg diaries should have a look, if there's any doubt in your mind.

        "Let him that would move the world first move himself." --Socrates

        by joanneleon on Tue Jan 24, 2006 at 07:36:04 PM PST

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      •  They are not giving up, though (none)
        I awoke to some Repub spin master on NPR this morning who totally ignored the latest poll on domestic spying, showing that 56% disapprove of warrantless eavesdropping. So you say a majority disapprove? Well, that's not really what the poll means. It means that if the people who were asked the question had another chance with Republican coaching the majority would approve the president's program for keeping them safe from terrorist attacks.

        These guys get up early and get on often, and the emcees just keep inviting them to put their spin on the facts. This is not news. It's disgusting, and I am writing to NPR to tell them that.

        "That story is not worth the paper it's rotten on"--Dorothy Parker

        by martyc35 on Wed Jan 25, 2006 at 08:12:44 AM PST

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  •  Thank You, Rep. Slaughter!! (4.00)
    You views would dovetail nicely with a strategy of pointing out that a REPUBLICAN adminstration has failed to ensure the safety of Americans by eliminating the Bin Laden threat, and they have had YEARS to accomplish the task.

    We look forward to the time when the power to love will replace the love of power. Then will our world know the blessings of peace. - William Gladstone

    by mtibb0910 on Tue Jan 24, 2006 at 04:12:32 PM PST

  •  Matthews should be on (4.00)
    Faux news.

    You, on the other hand, Rep. Slaughter, were great on C-Span recently.

    •  No, he should be on... (4.00)
      a cash register at a fast food drive-thru.

      "Damnit Matthews, your drawer's short again! That's it, you're demoted to lettuce shredder!"

      ~~~~~~~
      Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect. - Mark Twain

      Blogesque

      by OhioLen on Tue Jan 24, 2006 at 06:37:51 PM PST

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  •  Hardball Opening Today (4.00)
    In the opening segment Matthews described the political posturing before Bush's SOTU speech, highlighting that Bush is selling his illegal wiretapping and the Democrats are focusing on the culture of corruption that is the Republican controlled Congress.  

    Matthews ended it with this:

    What do you think Americans care about more: fighting terrorism or corruption in Washington?

    As if those were the positions of the two parties.  

    How about actaully fighting terrorism instead of creating more of it? How about not breaking the law and violating the Constitution?

    I could go on, but you catch the drift. What a shill.

    •  The issue, Chris (4.00)
      is ABUSE OF POWER.  This abuse relates to the invasion of Iraq AND corruption.

      Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities-Voltaire

      by hairspray on Tue Jan 24, 2006 at 04:54:35 PM PST

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    •  He also said (4.00)
      That Americans want a tough boss to deal with terror.  Words to that effect, anyway.
      I can't remember where I read exactly those words, but I think it was in a book by Solzhenitsyn who was quoting an old Commie, fondly recalling the days of Stalin.  "A tough boss! That's what we need again!"    
      OK, we got a "tough boss." He's a complete wimp, a fuck-up, a screw-up, a man not fit to tie my Goth son's shoes.  He can't run a business, never mind a country.  He cares about no soldier and no citizen.  He's "tough" for the camera, incompetant and dangerous in the presidency.
      Yeah, we want one of those like we want an anal cyst...  

      War is not an adventure. It is a disease. It is like typhus. - Antoine De Saint-Exupery

      by Margot on Tue Jan 24, 2006 at 08:17:03 PM PST

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      •  There is a word for that (none)
        Projecting...

        Here's an idea...

        How about fighting terrorism with non-corrupt leaders?   See how easy that is...

        The culture of corruption makes America less safe because it stifles debate and cause our representatives to focus on the wrong issues.

        See ...easy...

    •  It feels scripted. (none)
      Can somebody get Chris Matthews' phone records before we put those companies out of business? :)

      Everyone seems to step up the rhetoric at the same time.  CNN hires 3 or 4 new right-wing goons.  Inflammatory op-ed in the LA Times, weeks after new publisher fires Robert Scheer.  O'Reilly's certifiable.  

      Was the Kool-Aid a little stronger this month, or are these events getting more frequent?

      Read my lips: we do not torture.

      by captnjaq on Wed Jan 25, 2006 at 02:25:59 AM PST

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    •  I watched as much as I could stand (none)
      yesterday, and the Republican debater, who kept interrupting and overriding the Dem (can't remember their names) actually shouted, "You're confusing the facts with reality!"

      Once in awhile you get a really good line on that show. The rest was just drivel, though.

      "That story is not worth the paper it's rotten on"--Dorothy Parker

      by martyc35 on Wed Jan 25, 2006 at 08:23:12 AM PST

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  •  Misunderstood Chris (none)
    I thought Chris Matthews was trying to suggest that Bin Laden was telling the truth just like Michael does.  Never-mind.

    Those who sleep and dream do not know that they can wake up.

    by Gram E on Tue Jan 24, 2006 at 04:16:52 PM PST

  •  Thanks, Rep Slaughter (4.00)
    I agree except for this:

    "Comparisons between Americans and Osama bin Laden have no place in our national discourse."

    The religious right's views on gays, religious freedom, privacy, sexual and reproductive freedom are similar to Osama's in many ways, and Osama's quotes prove it.    

    Check out my lte archive at http://www.livejournal.com/users/tomletters and feel free to use my ideas for your own lte's.

    by DemDachshund on Tue Jan 24, 2006 at 04:19:24 PM PST

    •  a related thought (none)
      Is it possible that the new Republican meme is that Democrat = terrorist because when it is discovered that the Kerry campaign (and other political opponents) were the actual targets, it will be easier to sell to the American public as a "non-story?"  As in, "oh, golly, we listened to everyone, not just them...there they go, acting all paranoid and full of themselves"

      Could this be the damage control necessary for a "move along citizens, nothing to see here" moment?
      Or should I just remove my tin-foil hat?

  •  Also, Don't Relent (4.00)
    on Deborah Howell or her protectors, including David Carr at the NY Times, who has a blog that entertains comments here.
  •  Osama bin Ladin (none)
    is not our worst enemy in the Islamic world, but he is a Convenient Devil.  Guess who said this:

    ...we have found it difficult to deal with the Bush administration in light of the resemblance it bears to the regimes in our countries, half of which are ruled by the military and the other half which are ruled by the sons of kings and presidents.

    Our experience with them is lengthy, and both types are replete with those who are characterised by pride, arrogance, greed and misappropriation of wealth. This resemblance began after the visits of Bush Sr to the region.

    At a time when some of our compatriots were dazzled by America and hoping that these visits would have an effect on our countries, all of a sudden he was affected by those monarchies and military regimes, and became envious of their remaining decades in their positions, to embezzle the public wealth of the nation without supervision or accounting.

    So he took dictatorship and suppression of freedoms to his son and they named it the Patriot Act, under the pretence of fighting terrorism. In addition, Bush sanctioned the installing of sons as state governors, and didn't forget to import expertise in election fraud from the region's presidents to Florida to be made use of in moments of difficulty.

    People are usually more convinced by reasons they discovered themselves than by those found by others.

    by BlaiseP on Tue Jan 24, 2006 at 04:22:36 PM PST

    •  What is your point with this post? (none)
      These are bin Laden quotes taken from an Al-Jazeera translation his October 2004 speech.

      The Republicans have a fundamental problem with telling the truth - Howard Dean.

      by NYC Sophia on Tue Jan 24, 2006 at 04:53:13 PM PST

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      •  My point is this; (none)
        OBL is not the enemy the West thinks he is.  His plot against the Twin Towers was hatched after viewing the devastation of Beirut at the hands of Ariel Sharon and the 16 inch guns of a battleship offshore.  I'm writing a diary to that effect right now.

        People are usually more convinced by reasons they discovered themselves than by those found by others.

        by BlaiseP on Tue Jan 24, 2006 at 05:38:07 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  There is a reason there (none)
          are more and more terrorists everyday. We will not defeat them with guns and bombs.

          Empty the treasury with a bogus war, then gut the social service programs equals class warfare.

          by mattes on Tue Jan 24, 2006 at 05:52:37 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

        •  While I disagree with you that (none)
          "OBL is not the enemy the West thinks he is"

          I am interested to see what you have to say in your diary about how Osama planned the attack against the WTC after "the devastation of Beirut at the hands of Ariel Sharon and the 16 inch guns of a battleship offshore."

          That is something I have never heard about.

          The Republicans have a fundamental problem with telling the truth - Howard Dean.

          by NYC Sophia on Tue Jan 24, 2006 at 06:02:13 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

        •  there is no justification for (none)
          targeting innocent civilians.

          Be they Israeli, Spanish, British or American.

          "Rovus Vulgaris Americanus" nasty soon-to-be-indicted co-conspirator -7.63, -9.59

          by shpilk on Tue Jan 24, 2006 at 07:31:21 PM PST

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        •  and (none)
          what "kind of enemy" do we think OBL is? i think he's a maniac and an opponent of civilization who needs to be stopped by any constitutional means...

          what other kind of enemy could he be?

          I believe in saving money. I believe in having a house. I believe in keeping things clean. I believe in exercising. www.walken2008.com

          by The Exalted on Tue Jan 24, 2006 at 09:52:28 PM PST

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          •  Well of course he's an enemy. (none)
            As for maniac?  I'm not so sure.  Do you think he conceived his ideas ex nihilo ?  Of course not.  I'm still working the diary, the translations are hard work.  Want to help me out with the Arabic, since you've come to such interesting conclusions obviously you've read what he has to say, and since almost none of it has been translated into English, that must imply you're an Arabic reader.

            People are usually more convinced by reasons they discovered themselves than by those found by others.

            by BlaiseP on Thu Jan 26, 2006 at 12:57:23 PM PST

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        •  Interesting... (none)
          Can it then be construed, that he was behind hte bombing of the Marine Barracks in Beirut, which then resluted in the idea that Americans "cut and run" which is what Reagan did by withdrawing our Peacekeeers.  

          Islamo-fascists/al-qaeada/fundamentalist nutjobs/whatever name you wish to give them declared war on the US then, and not in 2001. Curiouser and curiouser

          "My case is alter'd, I must work for my living." Moll Cut-Purse, The Roaring Girl - 1612, England's First Actress

          by theRoaringGirl on Thu Jan 26, 2006 at 02:44:50 PM PST

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  •  Why not file a Class Action lawsuit? (none)
       If we start hitting some of these people in the pocketbook, it will close down their "horse and pony shows." They are swinging at us. Why not swing back? And use the court system to do it? I say, let's "sue." Swing back. Harder.
  •  Not only that... (4.00)
    ...what does it say about the seriousness with which they view bin Laden and al Qaeda that they equate them with the likes of Michael Moore and Howard Dean?  

    Are these people truly unable to distinguish between someone directly responsible for the murder of 3000 innocent people on American soil, and someone who insists on accountability for this administration?  

    Are these people truly more troubled by unkind words directed at them, than by the loss of life of American citizens?  

    This sort of rhetoric suggests that they are.

    The Republicans did not take al Qaeda seriously in the 90s.  They did not take al Qaeda seriously in the summer of 2001.  Clearly, if they are going to compare terrorists to gadflies (which is about the worst you can say about Mr. Moore and Gov. Dean, even if you don't like them) they do not take al Qaeda very seriously now.

    Tell me again why we're supposed to trust these guys to keep us safe?

    "...the big trouble with dumb bastards is that they are too dumb to believe there is such a thing as being smart." -- Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.

    by Roddy McCorley on Tue Jan 24, 2006 at 04:22:47 PM PST

  •  oh yeah, almost forgot... make sure you FILIBUSTER (none)
    Alito
  •  I sent Matthews an email this morning (3.75)
    I let him know that yesterday was the first intentional Hardball-less day I've had in years (while I'm making dinner after work, I always had Hardball on).

    I told him the withdrawal wasn't that bad.  I won't even need medication.  I simply switched on the local news, and then listened to "Wheel of Fortune".

    Heck, if I get really desperate, I'll turn on Blitzer for my "news fix".

    •  almost a 4 (4.00)
      except for the Wolfie reference! :)  Or you could crank up your computer to Air America Radio, or Ed Schultz, or whomever....

      I've been cold turkey for a couple of weeks now... welcome to a world without endless GOP-spin!

      regards,

    •  The only times I watch Tweety (none)
      are when he's featured on crooksandliars.com.

      "I don't think the ethics committees are working very well." -- John McCain on Meet the Press, 12/04/05.

      by bablhous on Tue Jan 24, 2006 at 04:39:17 PM PST

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    •  Not necessary- (none)
      just wait till Tweety's done chirping, and you can see Keith O, who tells the truth (in between stoopid animal videos, anyway).

      Rep. Slaughter, thank you for addressing this issue, thanks for all you do, and I saw you on C-Span at the Conyers hearing last week (yes, I call it a hearing!) and you rocked!

      -8.25,-8.36 The only thing we have to fear is fear itself.

      by sidnora on Tue Jan 24, 2006 at 04:55:24 PM PST

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    •  My e-mail to Hardball... (4.00)
      Sloppy Work

      On at least three days this week, Matthews has given major focus to Hillary Clinton using the word "plantation".  I know he can't stand her, and that he wants a dinner invitation from Nancy Reagan.  His bias is clear.

      But on tonight's HOT panel, only the Right was represented.  Carlson, Scarborough, and Rita Cosby, the tabloid queen.  You'd think that one of them could have mentioned, ONCE, that Newt Gingrich used the exact same language.  Interesting question:  What difference in meaning is there if he's saying it than if Hillary is?

      I wrote yesterday, complaining about comparing Michael Moore to Osama Bin Laden.  I watched the latter part of today's show.  And drew a conclusion:  I'm a Neilsen diarist for sweeps ratings next month.  I am boycotting your show entirely next month.  This kind of sloppy, unfair work has officially cost Hardball a ratings point.  I'll wait until 6 to watch Countdown, rather than tuning in early and watching Hardball until Countdown starts.  Enough is enough!

      And to Countdown:

      If you haven't seen this already...

      ...Michael Moore's response to Matthews comparing him to Bin Laden:

      http://www.michaelmoore.com/...

      Somebody had some fun with the photoshop.  Worth a look.

      Hardball annoyed me so much last week, that I've sworn off the show during February.  (Being a Neilsen household for sweeps this time around.)  But never fear, I'll still be watching Countdown.

      Why?  Your show is smarter, funnier and more honest.  Never once have I got the feeling that Keith is grovelling and kissing up for a dinner invitation from Nancy Reagan.  Wouldn't miss Countdown if I could help it.  You can count on your "ratings point" from me.

  •  So if we say the sky is blue (4.00)
    and then Osama repeats that, we're supposed to change our story?  
  •  we'll do our part (none)
    At the same time, we all want to see that your colleagues are doing theirs:  Not backing down, not apologizing for speaking truth to power, raising the roof loudly and often, etc. -- i.e, not being silenced just cause the other side says they should be meek and good little Democrats. (But as an aside -- a buddy of mine who works at ABC News says that the media is STILL afraid of BushCo, which is one reason it's so one-sided in its coverage.  What can the Dems do about THAT?)

    regards,

    •  All we can do (none)
      Is do all we can to keep the pressure on them.
      Write, call, rabblerouse, make news, make waves.
      Plus registering as many voters every day as we can.

      War is not an adventure. It is a disease. It is like typhus. - Antoine De Saint-Exupery

      by Margot on Tue Jan 24, 2006 at 08:09:02 PM PST

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  •  Hardball has gone off the deep end lately... (4.00)
    and may have something to do with Matthews' brother running for lieutenant governor in Pennsylvania as a fire-breathing Republican.  He should do disclaimers nightly if he had any pretenses of journalism, but given his Osama comments, he's pretty much lost all contact with reality.

    Let justice reign though the heavens tremble

    by Viceroy on Tue Jan 24, 2006 at 04:26:31 PM PST

  •  Matthews comments were ridiculous (4.00)
    He is ridiculous.  Look, if Moore's film was so irrelevant, why the hell are they still talking about him and his movie two years after the film was released.  It speaks volumns to what they really fear about what Moore's film revealed.  
  •  Pointlessly divisive rhetoric? (none)
    In American civic discourse?
    By administration shills, flacks and apologists?
    No WAY!

    Infidelity does not consist in believing, or in disbelieving: it consists in professing to believe what he does not believe.--Thomas Paine

    by peterborocanuck on Tue Jan 24, 2006 at 04:27:31 PM PST

  •  I don't bother much (none)
    with corporate media these days.  Kind of seems trivial against the prospects for March.
    I do however regularly write major news outlets and call them on their blatant mind control/subliminal suggestion type of "news".
  •  when, oh when will elected dems (none)
    start hammering this bimbo.(matthews) when will we get a glimpse of outrage out of you guys? his bias is pretty plain.

    i'm an agnostic, i'd be an atheist if it weren't for mozart

    by rasbobbo on Tue Jan 24, 2006 at 04:29:07 PM PST

  •  Rep. Slaughter, Democrats and Media (4.00)
    I've been seeing you on C-Span and hearing you on the radio, and I want to thank you for the great job you are doing.

    I have to ask this: is the Democratic leadership even dimly aware that the so-called Mainstream Media is allied, for whatever reason, with the forces that want to destroy our Constitution.

    Does anyone realize that we need radical action to call them to task all across the board, and we need to stage huge and unavoidable demonstrations, e.g, 100 or so from Congress physically showing up at the WaPo, Meet the Press, or CNN or whoever pushes the Republican propaganda lines (such as "Abramoff gave money to Democrats, er, no, made his clients give to Democrats," etc, etc, etc.) It's amazing how lies are routinely promulgated as news and facts. Never seen anything like it in this country.

    Media holds the center of the chessboard. Neither defense nor attack can be advanced if we let the propaganda machine behind Matthews, Fox, etc., function unhindered.

    Thanks again for working for this country we love so much, and for our posterity.

  •  Fairness Doctrine (4.00)
    Thanks for posting Rep. Slaughter. Your voice is a welcome addition for us who long to hear more Deomcrats speak out on this critical issue.

    We are at this point because Ronald Reagon got rid of the Fairness Doctrine.

    Al Gore mentioned in his speech on MLK day that ever since the majority of Americans cite television as their primary news source this nation has seen a decline in those that can be classified as "informed citizens".

    By speaking out as you have done here on Kos about this issue you have taken an important step in correcting this problem.

    Please keep it up and urge others to use the internet: it is our last best hope.

  •  Thank you (none)
    Representative Slaughter.

    Just wanted to let you know that I caught you on C-SPAN speaking about Honest Leadership in Washington.

    Then next morning when you were taking calls from from both Democrats and Republicans, you really were fantastic.

    The Democratic party really needs to get you out more often to represent them.

    You are so clear and empathetic even in with the people who called to criticize.

    Again your message in this diary is exactly what needs to be said.

    The Republicans have a fundamental problem with telling the truth - Howard Dean.

    by NYC Sophia on Tue Jan 24, 2006 at 04:30:15 PM PST

  •  asdf (4.00)
    Remember when Matthews made rabid accusations of racism towards Dems, that they were subliminally calling Alito "lenient on the mob" because he lost a huge case involving the mafia, and happens to be Italian?

    On Hardball tonight, while discussing Alito. The title on the screen? "Alito's Way". I guess it's okay for Matthews to liken him to a violent ex-convict.

  •  Matthews is a disgrace (4.00)
    I'm glad we're putting the heat on him and Matthews is trying to calm things down a bit by now praising the work of Michael Moore.  we're not going to back off until he apologizes.  
  •  Rep Slaughter, you are such a shining light. (4.00)
    Thank you for all you do.  I recommended this diary because I do think it is important; however, I would recommend anything whatsoever that you write because I am so grateful to you for standing for us who so desperately need people in Congress with the character and energy to do the people's work.  You are wonderful.  
  •  Thanks for your commitment to the public interest (none)
    Representative Slaughter. When Chris Matthews starts toadying to Bush spin I just find myself imagining the phonecalls he must have gotten the night before from Karl Rove and his band of spinmeisters. What threats are being made, what kind of intimidation?
    Because Chris Matthews runs back and forth on where he stands...I can't really watch him without feeling ill.
  •  Rove's threats or.. (none)
    Abramoff checks?
  •  Gutterball (3.91)
    Rep. Slaughter,

    What is desperately needed is legislative action to break up the corporate monopoly of the airwaves. Public airwaves belong to the public, not GE, Disney, Universal. If/when Dems gain power they must pass legislation to break up the media monopoly.

    Chris Matthews is a whore. He is doing what his paymasters at GE want him to do; shilling for the GOP. If he is gone they will replace him with another whore. We need fundamental REFORM!

    I also don't understand the silence of Dem leaders. If a TV network said Osama sounds like republicans there would be hell to pay. GOP leaders would demand execution of corporate executives for the network. And yet I hear no protest from Dem leaders. Where are they? Why aren't they holding news conferences condemning this hateful propaganda from General Electric, a receipient of Iraq war contracts? Why are Dem leaders silent? Why are they so spineless? What are they afraid of? That the corporate media will trash them? Well, it is happening anyway. They might as well fight back.

    •  For an illuminating look at MSNBC (4.00)
      behind the scenes, listen to this interview with Jeff Cohen, from Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting (FAIR), who was a producer for Phil Donahue's show, that was axed despite the best ratings on the network. A rightward tilt on MSNBC and throughout the media is fascinatingly chronicled here.

      RealAudio

      MP3

      Recorded last September on Bob McChesney's superb weekly interview series, Media Matters.

      From FAIR's site:

      The news channel-- co-owned by Microsoft and General Electric/NBC-- declared in its formal statement: "By bringing our viewers a wide range of strong, opinionated voices, MSNBC underscores its commitment to ensuring that its perspective programming promotes no one single point of view. We encourage debate and we would neither expect, nor want, our audience to agree with everything on our channel."

      But this enthusiasm for a "wide range of strong, opinionated voices" rings hollow in the wake of MSNBC's firing of host Phil Donahue. (FAIR's founder, Jeff Cohen, worked as a senior producer for Donahue.) His show was cancelled despite having the best ratings on the network; this occurred, according to published reports, after a study commissioned by NBC described Donahue as "a tired, left-wing liberal out of touch with the current marketplace" who would be a "difficult public face for NBC in a time of war" (All Your TV, 2/25/03). "He seems to delight in presenting guests who are anti-war, anti-Bush and skeptical of the administration's motives," the report noted, warning that the Donahue show could be "a home for the liberal antiwar agenda at the same time that our competitors are waving the flag at every opportunity."

      Network insiders echoed these qualms. In an email leaked to the website All Your TV (3/5/03), one executive suggested that MSNBC could take advantage of the "anticipated larger audience who will tune in during a time of war" to "reinvent itself" and "cross-pollinate our programming" by linking pundits to war coverage. "It's unlikely that we can use Phil in this way, particularly given his public stance on the advisability of the war effort," the email said.

      All Your TV's Rick Ellis quoted a network source: "I personally like Donahue, but our numbers were telling us that viewers thought he has too combative, and often said things that some respondents considered almost unpatriotic."

      According to published reports, these fears led MSNBC to "micromanage" the Donahue show. "He was often told what kinds of subjects to showcase and what kind of guests to have. And he was often chided for being too tough on some guests," consumer advocate Ralph Nader wrote (Common Dreams, 3/3/03). "In the past few months, the corporate 'suits' even told Donahue that he had to have more conservative or right-wing guests than liberals on the same hour show."

      Let the great world spin for ever down the ringing grooves of change. - Tennyson

      by bumblebums on Tue Jan 24, 2006 at 05:09:06 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  jesus... (none)

        I believe in saving money. I believe in having a house. I believe in keeping things clean. I believe in exercising. www.walken2008.com

        by The Exalted on Tue Jan 24, 2006 at 09:47:30 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

      •  Hey (none)
        "anticipated larger audience who will tune in during a time of war" to "reinvent itself"

        That worked out well huh....

        and you know the funniest thing...change the word "reinvent" to "differentiate" and they may have been on to something...of course that could have started giving voice to Iraq war critics to ensure a balanced debate, and looking prescient at this point...but hey, whose counting when good ol Jack W.  is your poker pal...

  •  I hope we as a community (4.00)
    can put a lot of pressure on Matthews. He is dangerous. We really need to not let up -- our only hope is to keep speaking out.

    We can't do anything about the republicans anymore, imo...our only hope is to take our media back and demand that they start doing their jobs again. The Republicans know that any facist government NEEDS the media and we have no hope as long as people like Matthews survives.

    "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying the cross." -- Sinclair Lewis

    by Dunbar on Tue Jan 24, 2006 at 04:42:38 PM PST

  •  Six degrees of seperation (4.00)
    Saying that two people who have never met personnally say two things that are similar is one thing,  but why nis the MSM not doing some investigative journalism into why Mohamid Atta was on jack Abramoff's Casino boat just weeks before 9-11? This is the same Jack Abrarmoff who is connected th Tom Delay, Bob Ney, Scanlan, has his former assistant Susan Ralstom working for Karl Rove, who before (11 made over 200 trips into the white house or west wing as part of the presidential transition team. I wonder why this two degrees of seperation between one of the highjackers of 911 and the leadership of our country doesn't warrant similar comment
  •  Rep. Slaughter - I have been listening (4.00)
    to right wing talk radio for many years and they have been doing this for a while, but amping it up in recent years.  Hannity and Co. regularly call liberals/Democrats the "enemy," "evil," say we are "aiding and abetting the enemy" (and I don't have to tell you what that is the code word for) and saying we "want America to be hit again."  I get sick while I listen to this and then listen to the callers who call in and all parrot this vile hate speech. I truly think they have been moving, for quite a while, to create an America where one half of our nation could harm the other half and not feel any remorse.  But what can we do?

    I call, I write, I get no response.  I try to boycott their advertisers, but there are not enough of us to do so.  Perhaps some Congressmen and Congresswomen could pick one of the worst offenders such as Hannity, highlight some of their statements, and call for all fair-minded Americans to boycott their advertisers.

    I hope you see this and consider this action as a way to stop the divisions between Americans being created by those who profit from it.

    Republicans to Americans: "Are there no prisons?...And the Union workhouses?...Are they still in operation?"

    by adigal on Tue Jan 24, 2006 at 04:43:08 PM PST

    •  Liberals = Jews and Gypsies n/t (none)

      "I don't think the ethics committees are working very well." -- John McCain on Meet the Press, 12/04/05.

      by bablhous on Tue Jan 24, 2006 at 04:46:33 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  I love the idea (none)
      of boycotting the sponsors!  NOTHING gets their attention faster than loss of revenue.
    •  Actually (none)
      the media as it is exists for the purposes of a very few people. Hitting sponsors just means they'll get Halliburton or Carlyle to underwrite the programs. Media's raison d'etre is the propaganda.

      The whole media needs to be boycotted, and the fact is a huge majority of Americans--at least the politically/social ones--see media-as-is as a public enemy. A non-partisan, full-spectrum-American rejection of Corporate monopoly of content would break up the cartels and free the press.

  •  Mr. Matthews, The appointment of Mike Brown (4.00)
    is ACTUALLY like aiding and comforting the terrorists because Mike Brown's cronyism and incompetance ACTUALLY made us less safe for coordinating management of our national resources in a time of emergency.

    Some number of Americans ACTUALLY likely died because somebody above Mike Brown hired him. Chertoff, or Bush. Take your pick. Why the fuck don't you talk about that??

    Bush Wants Absolute Power To Run A War He Lied To Start.

    by bejammin075 on Tue Jan 24, 2006 at 04:51:28 PM PST

  •  This and similar diaries put $ in M*tthews' pocket (4.00)
    Why is everyone here watching hardball all the time?  Why is everyone talking about harball all the time?  The more it is talked about, the more people will want to watch it.  And this rewards him for being a divisive ass-wipe.

    Trust me, MSNBC LOVES this diary and others like it.  They can see their ratings climb as we write.  People read this, and they can't wait to tune in and see what inane thing M*tthews will say tomorrow.

    The only way to counter the divisive media whackos is to STOP WATCHING.  And STOP talking about them.  

    Please, if you have to write about M*tthews, at least disguise his name or come up with a google-bomb for him so you don't add to his name recognition.  Even better, don't write about him.  or o'lielly, or any of these other nuts.  And if you must watch them, don't do it with TIVO (TIVO forwards ratings info).

    •  Who is Chrissy Mathews? (none)

      Agree. All they care about is eyeballs and keeping within their Corporate Masters guidelines. The talkin heads like their stock options.
    •  I don't watch him unless it is by mistake or when (none)
      I switch to Olberman a few mins. early.  Nevertheless, I want to know that television, supposedly licensed and overseen by my tax dollars, is not constantly working against me and my values. I question how anyone could watch him full time, but more people could if he said truthful and less despicable things, and increasing viewership is really what MSNBC makes it's money on.  If a diary like this caused people to switch permanently to Matthews that would be one thing, but for 15 mins out of curiosity is not doing them anygood.

      I agree, stop watching the full hour if that is what you are doing.  And stop watching FOX for crying out loud.

    •  He who must not be named? (none)
      I thought that was Lord Voldemort.
  •  Thank you, Rep. Slaughter. (none)
    Yours is a voice in the wilderness, joining Al Gore's and Sen. Kerry's.  Please repeat the truth:  9/11 happened on Bu$hCo's watch, Bu$hCo invaded Iraq with no provocation, Bu$hCo neglected the victims of Hurricane Katrina and Bu$hCo is illegally spying on American citizens.  He has been and continues to break the law repeatedly and defiantly and he must be impeached.  Scalito must be filibustered.  The House and the Senate must wake from their sleep-walking and stand up for the American people and the Constitution of the United States.  Thank you and we will continue to demand that NBC, CBS, ABC and all the cable networks tell the truth rather than repeat the lies sent to them by KKKarl Rove's spin machine.  The propaganda has got to stop!  The American people deserve the truth!
  •  Thank You (none)
    Chris is decidely lefty tonight.

    Well done.  Remember, the Man deals in numbers, not people, and 50,000 reminders will get their attention.

  •  I'm at a loss for words... (4.00)

    What if the Hokey Pokey is what it's all about?

    by Rotobabe on Tue Jan 24, 2006 at 04:59:04 PM PST

  •  Take solace the ratings. No one watches Matthews (4.00)
    The Scoreboard: Thursday, January 19
    25-54 demographic:

    5pm: Gibson: 253,000 / Blitzer: 149,000 / Hardball: 73,000 / Kudlow: 38,000

    6pm: Hume: 356,000 / Dobbs: 95,000 / Abrams: 91,000 / Mad Money: 77,000

    7pm: Shep: 397,000 / Blitzer: 65,000 / Hardball: 139,000 / Showbiz: 93,000 / On The Money: 52,000

    •  so, they're watching Fox... (none)
      Maybe our energies are misplaced, and we should be screaming as loudly as (or more loudly) about the others -- Of course that's true, and our electeds should do a better job of calling the media on their lies (as the GOP does, with that "how dare [insertnamehere] malign [insertpoorpitifulGOPnamehere]in such a loathesome fashion," which always seems to leave the ostensible wrongdoer quivering in the corner, even if he/she was RIGHT).

      And I would argue that we've always given far too much weight to the cable spin shows, instead of targeting shows that the masses actually watch (Regis, anyone?)  

      BUT:  Ain't it nice to have a clear target for a change, who might actually respond to our power?(insert evil cackle here)

      cheers,

    •  Were do you get these figures from? (none)
      I'd like to keep track.
  •  Rep. Slaughter (4.00)
    I am a swede who has been following what's happening in the U.S. closely now since Bush started to withdraw from international treaties. That was before 9/11 2001. In the wake of the 9/11 tradegy I've seen the U.S. grow more hostile to the rest of the world, intentionally driving away its friends. All this time I've had a hope the U.S. would regain its footing and reassert itself as a responsible member of the world community.

    One passage of this diary of yours hit me in the gut cause it shows me you have a long way to go to retain your confidence. The passage I'm talking about is this:

    Again, I mentioned above, I share your outrage about the insulting comparison between Democrats and the man who is actively pursuing America's annihilation.

    Why it hit me in the gut? Does America really feel it is on the verge of annihilation? From a rag-tag man living in a cave who is reportedly suffering from severe kidney-failure?

    Restore Democracy! Denounce the GOP (George Orwell's Party)!

    by high5 on Tue Jan 24, 2006 at 05:01:42 PM PST

    •  I appreciate your prespective (none)
      but asymmetry is now a part of warfare.

      Certainly, you do not think that Bin-Laden's people would hesitate to set off a nuclear weapon if thety got their hands on one, do you?

      There are chemical and biological agents that can be dispersed by one or a small group of individuals easily in our free society - even more easily if they are willing to kill themselves in the process.

      Yes, perhaps annihilate the whole country is of course unlikely. But a small nuclear device set off in LA or NY or Chicago would have devastating effect.

      "Rovus Vulgaris Americanus" nasty soon-to-be-indicted co-conspirator -7.63, -9.59

      by shpilk on Tue Jan 24, 2006 at 05:40:57 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  He is annihilating America (4.00)
      by being the tool the Bush administration is using to divide the country and shred the Constitution.
    •  You must not have been paying attention all (none)
      these months.  BinLadin is not a rag tag man living in a cave.  He is idolized by terrorist around the world.  His videos, if they are real of not, are for recruitment purposes, and through them he attempts to increase the people willing to engage in terrorism worldwide.  He also killed 2700 people of all different nationalities and countries in 2001 through his efforts.  BinLadin and his followers would so much love to destroy America whether they are capable of it or not.  He is a symbol of a movement, and a force.

      Come on, do you really think this is all about a rag tag man living in a cave.

      •  If he were dying... (none)
        ...you just know they recorded about 50 tapes for future considerations.  Not only does it not matter if he's in a cave, it doesn't even matter if he's alive anymore.  They could drag this out for as long as he's useful.

        Read my lips: we do not torture.

        by captnjaq on Wed Jan 25, 2006 at 02:52:36 AM PST

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  •  I have just a thought to add (none)
    I almost always forget to watch Hardball.

    I did catch a few of his shows during the Plame investigation and he seemed to do a good job (from what I saw).

    Reading the comments about what he has said lately (I'll admit I haven't seen the shows but they sound just horrible), I have to wonder if he realized the power of blogs (from the Plame coverage) like this one and is now just trying to get viewers by being controversial.

    Just a thought, maybe this is his cry for attention.

    The Republicans have a fundamental problem with telling the truth - Howard Dean.

    by NYC Sophia on Tue Jan 24, 2006 at 05:02:48 PM PST

  •  I am no longer watching (none)
    Hardball.  I just reached my boiling point with that Hot Shots segment that they are going to do once a week or so.  No way am I going to listen to the week's news  interpreted by Scarborough, Carlson, and what's her name.  I'd like to see Hardball's ratings come way down.
    •  that won't be much of a problem. (none)
    •  BOYCOTT Hardball (none)
      I'm starting to sound like a broken record, but I boycotted Hardball about two months ago.  Not sure how much difference it makes but I figure it's the best thing I can do.  I debated the fact that it might be better to watch and do things to hold him accountable, but then decided that the media needs viewers to get advertisers, etc. etc. and I don't want to help to feed them.

      Matthews - boycott.  Scarborough - boycott.  Tucker - boycott.  Easy to do with the latter two since I very rarely watched them anyway.  

      Next it will be a total boycott of MSNBC altogether.  I had quit CNN, except when I really wanted to see something, but now maybe I'll switch back to them for the little bit of time that I actually watch the tv news.  MSNBC is just about dead to me.  Shills, wurlitzers, all.

      "Let him that would move the world first move himself." --Socrates

      by joanneleon on Tue Jan 24, 2006 at 08:05:11 PM PST

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      •  Keith Oberman (none)
        is the only program I watch on MSNBC.

        I will not stop giving Oberman my viewership..The man has my respect..As for the rest of their programming I don't bother. Afterall their parent company GE has a HUGE interest the defense industry..

  •  asdf (4.00)
    "Americans trust that their news sources will provide them with unbiased news, which will enable them to form their own judgments on the actions of national leaders."

    Well, not ALL Americans. Nobody here trusts them one bit.

    "Just because your voice reaches halfway around the world doesn't mean you are wiser than when it reached only to the end of the bar." Edward R. Murrow

    by justrock on Tue Jan 24, 2006 at 05:04:00 PM PST

  •  Thanks Representative Slaughter (none)
    I do hope some day you or someone else in public service gets to go on MSNBC and give voice to our concerns.  I have e-mailed MSNBC and in particular Chris Matthews on more than one occasion.   I feel frustrated that the media is run by large corporations who want their media outlets dominated by Bush lovers and supporters.    Aaron Brown, the most decent journalist on CNN is gone, soon to be replaced by right-wing, scary bigot Beck.   I am sure it will not be long until Keith Olberman is gone from MSNBC.   FoxNews frightens me.
    Chris Matthews is in Bush's pocket.   It's obvious and it's all so scary.

    But thanks for speaking out. Perhaps someday more of our elected officials will awaken from their stupors and start representing the people again.   We are supposed to be after all, of the people, by the people and for the people.

    Education is a better safeguard of liberty than a standing army.  ~Edward Everett

    •  We need a Phil Donohue, Aaron Brown, (4.00)
      Keith O station, and with all of the money out there in liberal pockets, why doesn't someone buy one?? If I were a gazillionare, I would buy one and know I would have a built-in audience, desperate for truth in the news.

      Republicans to Americans: "Are there no prisons?...And the Union workhouses?...Are they still in operation?"

      by adigal on Tue Jan 24, 2006 at 06:11:03 PM PST

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  •  Thanks, Rep! (none)
    Just seeing you here every couple of weeks is such a boost.  You will be long remembered as one of the ones who DID something.

    Please keep up the good work.

  •  My letter to Keith Olbermann... (4.00)
    Keith - I'm not really sure where to begin here - other than to say that I've been a loyal fan of yours for - well - since you were in LA.  I'm a political junkie and love watching your show at night (I usually watch the 9PM here in OC).  The last straw for me and MSNBC came last week in a series of shows (Hardball, Joe Scarborough and the Situation) that culminated in a Friday comparison of Howard Dean to Osama bin Laden on the Hardball Hotshots.  Wow.  Imagine my surprise that Joe Scarborough and Rita Cosby could shift their focus off of honeymooners and teenage Caribbean vacationers long enough to compare an American - ANY American - to the world's most wanted terrorist.  It reminds me of the same crap the Republican party pulled on Max Cleland in Georgia - what a disgrace.

    I'm taking MSNBC off of my favorite channels and not listening to it on XM Radio anymore.  I'm truly ashamed at how far the discourse has sunk, and I'm just not sure I will ever see true critical reporting again on any news channel.  I wish your show the best of luck - I'm really a true fan - I just can't support MSNBC any longer.  I'll just have to get my "Keith-fix" at the same time I get my "Dan Patrick-fix" on ESPN Radio.

    From not-so-way-downtown (Orange County, actually)...

    What if the Hokey Pokey is what it's all about?

    by Rotobabe on Tue Jan 24, 2006 at 05:17:07 PM PST

  •  I am reminded of the republican who said (none)
    "eventually we will be hunting Democrats down with dogs" or some such tripe!
  •  A Call for Investigation (4.00)
    Pressure on MSNBC is surely warranted.  Pressure on Fox and the rest is, too.  Mainstream stories the last day or so keep telling me that the President is getting his "message" across on the domestic eavesdropping program, now renamed "Terrorist Surveillance" in yet another surreal twist that could imply they believe all Americans are suspects in the "War on Terror."

    We seem to see the hand of Karl Rove at work in Washington again.  Perhaps he's found a way to wriggle free of Patrick Fitzgerald's headlock; in any case, it appears he's on the case after some absence.  (Perhaps Bush has promised him a pardon.)

    Consider the following points:

    1.  On The News Hour with Jim Lehrer the day the Osama bin Laden tape was aired, one of the guests stated that the speech sounded as if it had been written in English, then poorly translated into Arabic.  He further stated that this speech was completely out of character for bin Laden.

    2.  This administration has been taking a beating on its illegal domestic eavesdropping program.

    3.  The CIA is firmly under Republican ideological control with Porter Goss as its boss, and it has "verified that the tape is the voice of Osama bin Laden."  The CIA's business for more than five decades has been to employ disinformation to further Washington's policy ends in other countries, and it has frequently planted false information news stories in the press of many nations.

    4.  The administration, probably at Karl Rove's direction, has consistently used the specter of Osama bin Laden to distract the news cycle at moments when it was taking strong criticism.

    5.  Once again, the timing of a bin Laden tape could not have been more to Bush's advantage if bin Laden were on the CIA payroll.  (And we know that he did receive aid and training from CIA in the 1980's.)

    6.  Much of the mainstream punditocracy, from slightly left of center over to the extreme right, has consistently fallen in line with administration propaganda.

    In light of the above, I want to suggest that someone in Congress should independently should investigate the authenticity of the "bin Laden" tape, investigate whether the CIA has engaged in a domestic disinformation campaign in this or any other instance since 9/11/01, and investigate whether there is CIA or other U. S. government influence infiltrating United States' news media.  Even if this investigation is another Democratic "broom closet" investigation in the Capitol basement, it should be held.

    There is no way I can prove my suspicions in this, but this administration's track record leads me to expect them to do anything to maintain and extend their power, which is consistent with their behavior pattern.

    These last five years have been so surreal that I have taken referring to this as the Goebbles Era in American Government.  I'm not aware that the German government directly owned any of the press in the 1930's, and the Bush administration doesn't either, yet they manage to get their message, no matter how absurd, to drown out all others.

    And while we rearrange the deck chairs on the U.S.S. Titanic, let us remember that the polar ice caps are melting.  At an accelerating rate.

  •  Honorable Slaughter (none)
    "Thank y'all again for making me feel so welcome to your community. -LMS"

    Thank you for caring about our country.

    You're a credit to your constituents.

  •  All of the links I have seen lead to Hardball (none)
    How do we know any of these emails ever get to the CEO of NBC or to anyone higher than Chris Matthews.  I would like to get directly to his boss, the person who actually has control over the content of the network.  In most circumstances, I believe that Matthews is taking his okay to deface his audience directly from NBC, and the other "hosts" are too.  While I'm at it, I have to complain about Ms. Husky Voice.  How on earth is she staying on television?

    Last night Matthews took words directly from Lindsay Grahamns mouth.  He said that Democrats were going to vote no on Alito so that they could go back home and use the issue as a campaign issue in the fall.  It is a wonder he didn't get something in about cleaning our clock.  It is a good thing there are a lot of miles between where I live and some of these idiots, or I probably would be in jail.

  •  Chris Matthews Rocks! Email to MSNBC (4.00)
    Chris Matthews Rocks!  

    Except for the constant slurring of words, his spittle problem, or his inexplicable wild-eyed gaze into the eyes of Madeleine Albright, Chris Matthews makes Scarboy or the "Fop from Little Rock", Carl Tucker, look like the "god I hope she is still breathing", "bow-tying-wearing" nebishes that they are.

    Whereas the Tweetster knows that the cravat accentuates the loins rather the ears, he fails to grasp the gravitas (graa va taas -- K. Sutherland 2004) of not comparing law-abiding, concerned citizens , who might disagree with an inarticulate, inept newsreader, with a mass murderer still running crazy after all these years (P. Simon 1974)

    So in summation, raise the level of your inarticulate, inane, and highly offensive analytical comparisons to something that does not offend the 1/2 of your 2.1 sweeps week (in your dreams) share.

  •  Rep. Slaughter (none)
     I saw you recently in interview on CSPAN, tho I have read your diaries, I had never had the opportunity to listen to you speak at any length. I was very impressed, you are wonderfully articulate and stayed on point no matter what was tossed at you by the callers. I'm glad to have this chance to thank you for what you do for us lefties and tell you how much I appreciate you.
  •  Chris Matthews is an asshat (4.00)
    he has all the fidelity of a whore on a battleship, and he reamed Phil Donahue out because Donahue hadn't read Matthew's  250 bounded pages of toilet paper.

    oy that was the only book i ever threw away it was such shit

    then matthews claimed that he wasn't a washington insider.

    yeah, chris matthews a washinton oursider...just like a regular old joe...yeah..right

    if that doesn't turn your stomach about Chris Matthews, get this:

    Matthews loves Bush and thinks all the rest of us do too.

    CM in a nutshell with himself

  •  Houston, we have a problem (4.00)
    And it is called the wing nut media. You know what cracks me up, if you compare any Republican to the Nazis they go ballistic and call it outrageous etc. But, call a democrat Osama F-ing Laden and it is just acceptable.To me it is the same thing..
    I have emailed MSNBC enough already and I will never watch that loud mouth again.
  •  So, I haven't been watching. (none)
    Has he even addressed the mountain of e-mail and phone calls about his comments?
  •  We will do our part, but please (4.00)
    urge your fellow elected officials to stand up as well.  Too often Democrats appear on shows like "Hardball" and allow the hosts and their guests  to run roughshod over the facts and insult Democrats.

    I would like a nickel for everytime an elected Democrat has appeared on TV and allowed our party to be referred to as the "Democrat Party."  If we interrupted with a firm "Excuse me, but I respectfully request that you stop calling us by a name that is not ours. It is insulting and must stop."

    This may seem like a small item, but it is emblematic of our timidity.  If we don't respect ourselves, who will respect us?

    Obviously, the "traitor" card is a much more lethal business.  But let me just wonder outloud if  Matthews et al. would be doing this if we weren't generally  so supine when attacked?

    "Pro-life" really means "pro-criminalization"

    by Radiowalla on Tue Jan 24, 2006 at 06:36:29 PM PST

  •  A personal challenge to Chris Mathews (4.00)
    I just emailed my little tirade to msnbc. Please feel free to use mine in its entirety, or as the basis for writing and sending your own.

    hardball@msnbc.com

    A personal challenge to Chris Mathews

    I am disgusted that Chris Mathews has been allowed on the public airwaves to publicly compare critics of the Bush administration and opponents of the war in Iraq to Osama bin Laden. It may play well to the knee-jerk reactionaries Mathews seems so fond of appealing to, but I personally consider it an insult and the lowest form of divisive pandering imaginable.

    Does Mathews dare to include in his analogy, by name, the 43 military veterans, including nine Iraq War veterans, who are running for Congress as Democrats because they oppose this administration's misguided war in Iraq? This is a war which the Bush administration initiated and executed in total disregard to the professional counsel of senior military commanders. The result is that we are bogged down in an insurgency that the Bush administration was warned about, without the number of troops on the ground the Bush administration was told would be required, and the troops themselves are suffering from logistical shortfalls, including body armor and armor for vehicles. To add insult to injury, returning troops are finding that retirement and medical benefits for veterans have been cut. No wonder 43 military veterans are running for Congress as Democrats in order to oppose the brazenly inept and murderous policies of the Bush administration.

    I personally challenge Mathews to interview a single one of these "Fighting Dems." I doubt Mathews has the courage and fortitude to even be in the same room with a veteran who opposes his slavish loyalty to Bush, let alone look them in the eye.

    Is private credit the friend and patron of industry? -- The Federalist Papers, No. 15, Alexander Hamilton

    by NBBooks on Tue Jan 24, 2006 at 06:47:29 PM PST

  •  Hardball (none)
    Please understand the enemy isn't Chris Matthews. He is just another whore for hire. He will shill for whoever pays him. GE is paying him so he shills for GE political interests.

    The enemy is GE. The orders are coming from GE. If Matthews or Scarborough had said these vile things about republicans they would have been fired by GE executives immediately. They know it. They know they can say any vile thing about Democrats and keep their job. They know they have to be careful and not be critical of republicans if they want to keep their jobs.

    The enemy is GE.

  •  rep slaughter, thanks for your diary. (none)
    i'll send msnbc another email after reading it.
  •  Rep. Slaughter's Post (none)
    Dear Ms. Slaughter,

    Thank you for posting at Daily Kos. Thank you for speaking out in a clear voice about a matter which is so important in America today. Few things are more important just now than to hold the MSM to account for the shoddy and disreputable manner in which they have been presenting the news and issues of great concern.

    There are a couple of points in your post, however, on which I would like to offer a perspective:

    1. "This rhetoric is pointlessly divisive.."
    Unfortunately the rhetoric is not pointlessly divisive. It is pointedly divisive. It is intended to be divisive.
    George W. Bush said as he assumed the presidency that he wanted to be a uniter. We now know just how untrue that statement is. It has been the central strategy of Karl Rove and Ken Mehlman to find divisive issues and to feed them to the MSM. This strategy has been central to the success of the Republican Party. Divided they conquer. If they don't have an issue with which to be divisive they will invent one. Gay marriage, for instance. If they can't find an actual issue or invent one, they will simply dissemble about something like why they didn't go to the FISA courts. Divisive rhetoric is one of the main weapons in their arsenal.

    2."Americans trust that their news sources will provide them with unbiased news...."
    Maybe twenty years ago we did. Anymore? I think you're behind the curve on that one.

    In closing though, let me thank you again. You're definitely on the right track. We are encouraged that you've taken the time to use this forum.

  •  You know those non-law resolutions? (none)
    I forget what you call them exactly.  Essentially they are formal declarations to put something about someone into the congressional record - Ney did one for the suncruz thugs....

    Anyways, Congresswoman Slaughter, I am wondering if you would consider making a declaration along the lines of the below.  

    this declaration is to denounce on moral grounds any person who, in print, tv or radio broadcast, uses the lost lives of Americans on 9/11/2001 to express distaste, dissent or contempt of another human being by declaring that that human being sounds like, acts like, has the same agenda of Osama Bin Laden, and this declaration is to call out such acts as hateful and amoral and contrary to the spirit of these "united" states.

    I am not very eloquent... sorry. But, jeeze, the level of hatefulness of this is astounding. Look, we don't have the numbers to do a damn thing in terms of the actual atrocities that are being committed by the Bush Administration and his yes men/women in Congress and the defense-contractor-owned tv and print media nor can we expect to receive any sort of fair hearing in the courts.

    What we do have -- every minute of every day -- is a right to CREATE A RECORD OF DISSENT.  Does it change anything? Hell no.  I mean... medicare part d is in full swing, for example.

    But for history's sake, there just needs to be a FORMAL record of dissent about all of these sick things that are going on.

    As such... I sure wish that some declarations (or whatever they are called) could be read INTO the Congressional record.  (you know what's really sick? I have no doubt that Denny Hastert would just direct his staff to delete formal parts of the record... but that's for his sick conscience to worry about).

    LetsFight. re handle: Fight the radical right is the sentiment!

    by letsfight on Tue Jan 24, 2006 at 07:30:51 PM PST

  •  The enemy is GE (none)
    Miri:
    I think you're giving Tweetie and Average Joe a pass when they don't really deserve one. GE and corporate America in general are certainly "the enemy", but Chris and Joe are not good guys like they want us to believe. Chris has to know that when he socializes with Ed Rogers. He is as complicit in the Mighty Wurlitzer as Ken Mehlman is. When Joe compares an American to Osama he's not being made to do that. These guys play both sides of the fence to try and fool the great unwashed. They do it to try and keep the ratings up. It shows just how corrupt they really are. They're really with Bush/Bushco. They just don't want us to really believe they are.
    Save believing for your personal values. Tweetie and Average Joe don't really, fundamentally deserve that trust.
    •  Of course (none)
      "but Chris and Joe are not good guys like they want us to believe."

      Of course they are pond scum but don't you think they were hired by GE because they are pond scum?

      I don't think these Matthews cares about the angry e-mails. The driving force for them is fear. They fear the GOP. They fear their corporate bosses at GE. They don't fear Democrats. They don't fear liberals. They don't fear the viewers. We have to go after their paymasters and exract a price for employing such scum. We have to make them fear public exposure of their corrupt ties to the GOP.

  •  Our most pressing priority (none)
    Comparisons between Americans and Osama bin Laden have no place in our national discourse.  This rhetoric is pointlessly divisive and serves only to distract us from our most pressing priority: the capture of Osama bin Laden and the destruction of his terrorist organization.

    Every single day, we should be asking for a progress report on our most pressing priority.

    Every single day, this should be reported in the media.

    No passes, no excuses, if there is a bin Laden out there who is still a threat to us, why is he not our number one priority?  Why is he not our number one news story?  

    Rep. Slaughter is right - keep the focus on capturing bin Laden - our most pressing priority.  And that's really saying something, because ever since Bush took office we've collected, a hell of a lot of pressing priorities.

    "Let him that would move the world first move himself." --Socrates

    by joanneleon on Tue Jan 24, 2006 at 07:45:51 PM PST

  •  Right now the media is our BIGGEST problem (none)
    Our Constitution was designed to deal with bad elected officials. They would simply be voted out of office, or, in an emergency, impeached. There is no reason -- at the legal level -- why that part of the system should not continue to function properly, even now.

    The Constitution, however, was not designed to deal with a captive press whose most powerful units have been turned into propaganda outlets for the party in power. When the Constitution was written, electronic media did not exist even in works of speculative fiction. The framers would have had to assume that independent newspapers would continue to provide most of the public's information.

    Therefore I believe, in full agreement with Rep. Slaughter's suggestions, that our greatest challenge and our most important job must be to break through the vise-like grip now exerted by electronic media companies on our entire apparatus of public information. For reasons which we still do not fully understand, these large companies seem to have been largely taken over by the right wing of the Republican party.

    We must find a way to defeat these forces, which, as we can no longer doubt, are actively working to destroy the integrity of our country's Constitutional system of government.

  •  asdf (none)
    Tweety and MSNBC are feeling the heat. Yesterday, he made a passing kind of positive reference to Michael Moore and today he said he admired Hillary for not backing down on the "plantation" remark. The guy can turn on dime.
  •  Of Course, It's Not 'Our' Discourse (none)
    It happens on their private property. So under our Constitutional system, it's their discourse.

    This is the fundamental weakness of our system in the modern world. The fact that almost everything we might debate or communicate with society is forbidden by the owners of all the places we gather is the foundation of every other one of these problems.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy....--ML King, "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Tue Jan 24, 2006 at 08:03:33 PM PST

  •  This is Driving Me Crazy (none)
    Representative Slaughter. Osama agrees with the Republicans - he WANTS US troops over there. Americans in Iraq are destroying people and resources. They are employing torture and appear to be doing so with some degree of satisfaction and enjoyment. American presence in Iraq is doing more for the recruitment of terrorists than anything Al Qaeda could ever have dreamed up. The neocons are bin Laden's accomplices. He can't abide the Democrats and other normal Americans who wonder every day what on earth the US is doing in Iraq. Osama is simply goading the neocons to stay the course and continue the idiotic pursuit of the war in Iraq, thus allowing him to radicalize a generation of young Arabs who see the US as fascist and imperialist torturers.

    Canada - where a pack of smokes is ten bucks and a heart transplant is free.

    by dpc on Tue Jan 24, 2006 at 08:08:17 PM PST

  •  MSNBC noise machine talking points (none)
    The right wing talking points noise machine has already broken through onto message boards where trolls and Bush supporters lurk. They are all actively regurgitating these messages from Matthews and his peers. It's pretty sad. You can certainly depend on one thing these days, and that's the Bush supporters to follow the right wing talking points lockstep and with zero critical thinking skills.

    We already know they do this when O'Reilly and Limbaugh trot out the noise machine and they line up to repeat their words, almost verbatim. But the sad thing is being given the talking points from these MSNBC talking heads.

    Somehow, there just can't be a way that Matthews and his peers on MSNBC just come up with this stuff on their own. They have to be reading off of the same scripts, the same right wing talking points.

    I know we're supposed to keep these ideas reality-based, but I'm starting to wonder about the Bush White House's paid propaganda issue and wonder if this applies now to MSNBC -- beyond the whole corporate monopoly ladder and keeping the "narrative" in line in order to best support the Bush White House.

  •  Thank you, Rep Slaughter (none)
    Invite your co-workers!  We need to stand up to the media attacks together.
  •  Thanks, Congresswoman (none)
    Let's boycott their sponsors.

    The so-called, "Global War On Terror" IS Terrorism!

    by november3rd on Tue Jan 24, 2006 at 08:42:31 PM PST

  •  Dear Tweety (none)
    Pick yer poison:

    Either spin in favor of the Rethugs in an attempt to get your brother elected, or keep your show. WHY?  Because if you keep up the bs,  I sense you're about to lose the dkos viewers who contribute greatly to your ratings.

    Ooops.  Too bad. Too late. Goodbye, Tweety.

  •  DKos (none)
    has millions of viewers.  Perhaps it is incumbent upon us to develop a liberal national news broadcast that will disseminate the truth.  This is merely an idea on my part.  I have no idea how it would be done.  I couldn't contribute much but I'd certainly give what I could to such an enterprise.
  •  Timing is everything (none)
    I am certainly not all convinced that the OBL Tape is real.  What?  Bushe's lackey(s) over at the CIA, Goss and Cronies, say it' real and recent and I'm suppossed to believe those lying, torturing SOB's?  I don't think so!!
  •  Scarbourgh and Abramoff? (none)
    Did anyones else notice Joseph Scarbourgh's name on the list of congressman who got money from Abramoff? I have not seen anyone mention this.
  •  Get rid of your TV - Now THAT's Hardballs (none)
    Play Hard Ball that way.

    Read - listen and watch at your leisure.

    The Internets ... are vast.

  •  Go on the offensive, please! (none)
    Let's not just defend by crying foul.  Let's attack by pointing out that, if OBL sounds like any Americans in his general statements, it is the far right.  He's all for injecting religion into government, is anti-gay, wants the state to enforce religious doctrine and morality, is anti-abortion, etc., etc.  After pointing this out, ask Matthews et al. why they never point out that similarity!

    "When the intellectual history of this era is finally written, it will scarcely be believable." -- Noam Chomsky

    by scorponic on Wed Jan 25, 2006 at 01:20:12 AM PST

    •  Don't Forget............... (none)
      Totally and systematically destroying the American way of life and it's democracy....taking away of womens rights and if Cheney had a beard he'd look like the other guy.......

      "It's Hard Work!" George Bush..."He that is good for making excuses is seldom good for anything else." Bejamin Franklin

      by JellyPuddin on Wed Jan 25, 2006 at 04:50:57 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  Nice diary (none)
    But tone down the rhetoric a touch, puh-lease.

    Actively annihilate America?

    Surely

    Force America to adopt a more responsible foreign policy in the Middle East

    is more accurate?

    For the world largest economy and all your military might you all come across as a bunch ofp paranoid scaredy cats at times.

  •  Straight talks hard to beat............ (none)
    What she said...........

    "It's Hard Work!" George Bush..."He that is good for making excuses is seldom good for anything else." Bejamin Franklin

    by JellyPuddin on Wed Jan 25, 2006 at 04:46:01 AM PST

  •  I LOVE YOU LOUISE! (none)
    Way to go!  I most certainly will write to MSNBC - again and again and again.  I'm sick and tired of this stuff too!
  •  Latest Volley in this fight...Joe Scarborough (none)
    Go to MSNBC website and read Joe's rant to us, " Title Howard and Osama democrats. This is how he end his post, so much for the First Admendment, what an ASSHOLE!

    To quote the scum bag;

    "That's why I believe that Democrats who strongly disagree with the President's foreign policy objectives must demand that their leaders do four things:

    1. Shut up.
    2. Develop a viable alternative to Bush policies.
    3. Measure all words before attacking the Commander in Chief during a time of war.
    4. Understand that most Americans believe we are living through a time of war.

    I know it's wishful thinking but I can't resist trying to help.

    But maybe the Party of Kennedy is beyond help.

    Maybe that's why George Bush continues using national security issues to pound Democrats into the ground on the one issue they just don't get.

  •  With all due respect (none)
    I have been second to none in insisting that we need to let the media know when they're wrong and not just talk amongst ourselves regarding the way critics of the war are treated.

    However...WHERE ARE YOU GUYS?????   For the past three mornings i have awakened to the 'Today' show to see Republican officials or their water carriers (O'Reilly) putting forth the adminstration's position without a Democrat in sight.  As a matter of fact, the only Democratic official I've seen on TV since Monday morning has been Sen. Salazar on Tweety's show last night.

    It should not be hard for a Dem official to refute the administration's false choice of fighting terror vs civil liberities (yes we can do both) and yet YOU PEOPLE have allowed the adminstration to frame the issue as one of "The dems don't want us to find terrorists.  They'd rather worry about civil liberties"  with nary a word. When just a simple "Nobody's against domestic spying, PDs do it every day PURSUANT TO WARRANTS. why can't you?"   The issue gets reframed.

    I am a Democrat.   I am a staunch Democrat.  But I am not a sucker.   You want us to continue to hammer the media, I'll be right there.   But I'm not going to put up with pandering words when our elected officials are either to lazy or to scared to join in the fight.   We can't blame the media when you guys just don't show.

    •  Bravo, right on the money (none)
      I said the same thing to Senator Kerry when he diaried.

      We need our Democratic leadership (somewhat of an oxymoron) to be out there daily refuting this crap.

      The Republicans are in their last throes of power, and getting more and more desperate.  This is the time to increase the pressure.

  •  enemies (none)
    Osama is the republicans best friend as a political tool.  It would be a very bad thing for republicans if democrats regained a majority.  Since some our returning troops are running for a house seat on the democratic ticket, are republicans still going to 'support our troops'?  They only support them when they are in a battlefield getting shot at and blown up apparently.  When our troops are home they attack them...all for political gain.
    I'm watching all those GM and Ford folks facing their emminent demise, do they notice the white house giving a damn?  The machine tool segment of the auto manufacturing sector is a critical piece of our nations defense capability in the event of a much larger war.

    Would a man of God sow the seeds of hate and then continue to cultivate his crop?

    by FreeTradeIsYourEpitaph on Wed Jan 25, 2006 at 06:05:18 AM PST

  •  Rep. Slaughter, you all need to help us out! (none)
    While I appreciate this diary, I don't understand why our Dem reps blow it when they're on Hardball w/Chris Matthews.

    Last night I saw Ken Salazar (God love him, I worked for his '04 campaign) and Brownback on Hardball re Alito.

    Chris Matthews kept framing Alito's nomination around the abortion issue:  Repubs support him because they're pro-life, Dems oppose him because he's pro-choice.

    Of course Repub propogandists want Alito nomination framed over abortion issue.  That's a no-brainer because it's an incendiary topic and always will be.

    How is that the main issue re Alito?  Yes, it's a big part of it, but it seemed from Alito's testimony that the bigger issue at stake was the destruction of our republic.  Alito's record indicates he supports power being concentrated in the executive branch of govt.  Removing checks and balances by making the other 2 branches of our govt. powerless means our country, as we've known it, is destroyed.  Seems to me if we're no longer the republic Thos. Jefferson & other Founding Fathers gifted us with, all other issues are moot.

    Sen. Salazar talked about the abuse of power thing, but he wasn't hard-hitting, and Chris Matthews won again w/his frame job.  If Sen. Salazar had used his answer time w/Matthews to say something along the lines of "Why do you keep framing it over abortion?  It's not just about abortion," following up with the biggest concern is Alito's support of having power concentrated in executive branch of govt, which  threatens our very democracy.

    It's Chris Matthew's show.  He can frame things however he damn well pleases.  But that does NOT mean that Dem guests have to roll over and take it.  If we as a party are waiting for some sort of civil discourse to kick in on Hardball and other Bush propoganda TV programs, it's never going to happen!

    We can write all the letters in the world; but if you all do not get in front of this type of garbage and re-frame the argument, it makes no difference at all.

    So I'll do my bit and write my letters of complaint.  And I'll respectfully request that you all do your job and stand up for us and our country in a more forceful sound-bite manner.

    Thank you for listening.

    "What does the Lord require of you but to do justice and to love kindness and to walk humbly with your God?"-- Micah 6:8

    by Mad Mom on Wed Jan 25, 2006 at 06:25:44 AM PST

  •  Email sent yesterday to "Tweety" (none)
    Gave up watching his show long ago, if I wanna know the right-wing talking points I can read the New York Times.

    But I second all those who say that representatives such as yourself MUST speak loud and clearly, and not just REFUTE this crap but go on the offensive.  

    And to go on the offensive, you need to start BEING OFFENSIVE. Let the Pug's start grinding their teeth. Hillary had the right idea ... bash them and don't apologize! Let them spin all they want, the more they spin the more you know you've hurt them. Just DO NOT APOLOGIZE. They ARE acting like Nazis. They ARE acting like America is a plantation. They ARE cowards who let other people's children die for their profits!

    While I can't come up with a catchy "sound bite", if there is anyone who seems to channeling Bin Laden, it is Bush's buddies in the Religious Right, such as Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson. And sometimes even Bush himself tends to get a little "Bin Ladenish", don't you think? What with claiming to talk to G-d and so forth?

    So call them on it, for crying out loud! The Religious Right sounds like the terrorists. Drop the "Comparisons between Americans and Osama bin Laden have no place in our national discourse"  well, sorry, if they didn't before those comparisons have a place now. And its the Religous Right which makes a much better fit. Dead ringers, I'd say!

    Repeat: the Religious Right sounds like the terrorists ... the Religious Right sounds like the terrorists ... the Religious Right sounds like the terrorists.

    Just say it. Over and over. Because it's true. They are like the friggin terrorists!  

  •  Pressure on the media (none)
    I heard you on CSPAN a few days ago, and it was a pleasure.

    We will certainly continue to press the corporate media whenever they parrot Republican talking points, but I would like to see the Democrats in responsible positions, whether in Congress or the DNC, get together and develop a plan to combat this evil practice. You need first a monitor, next a response and finally a way to deliver the response. One thing we in the community can't do is demand to be heard, but if Nancy Pelosi or Harry Reid or Howard Dean personally calls the producers of these shows and says, "OK, you've slandered us and now you're going to give us the chance to answer," will they be able to refuse?

    Then, insist on having a spokesperson of your choice, i.e., the person best suited to respond to a given insinuation or allegation, whether that person is the Speaker, the Minority leader, you, Rep. Murtha--not one of their favorite Democrats. Tben get on there and give 'em hell.

    Matthews and his ilk will wilt like pansies in the heat.

    You may not get equal air time, but at least you'll get a chance--and you are more than a match for any of those bubbleheads.  I'd love to see what happens to O'Reilly in a head-on collision with Louise Slaughter.

  •  Hardball Phone Number (none)
    Direct line to Hardball...


    Call Hardball!

    202 824-6707

  •  I echo the comment on getting your (none)
    Messengers on these shows.  The Usual Suspects are spent and too inside the Beltway.  Get Democratic spokespeople who are smart, eloquent, and quick and also out here in the trenches.  Al Gore, John Edwards, Katrina Vanden Heuvel, Howard, Howard, Howard....
    Our preachers like Jim Wallis and Jesse Jackson.  
    And NO Senators, please.  The Senate is becoming increasingly irrelevant.  Reps from the People's House like Rep Slaughter,
    Rep Schakowsy, Conyers, Murtha, Waters, Lee, ...The REal Fighting Dems and Fems.

    "There are times in politics when you must be on the right side and lose." John Kenneth Galbraith

    by MontanaMaven on Wed Jan 25, 2006 at 07:40:12 AM PST

  •  Wait a sec... (none)
    Again, I mentioned above, I share your outrage about the insulting comparison between Democrats and the man who is actively pursuing America's annihilation.

    Who is comparing Democrats to George W. Bush?

  •  Osama......behind 911?.......WAKE UP!!! (none)
    From the 911 atrocity has flowed the erosion of civil liberties for many Americans, the violation of international treaties by the United States, the sanction of torture and the empowerment of federal government police power.

    I challenge all of you to assimilate the information included the this pdf document   http://www.tyrannyalert.com/...  and understand what is at stake for our children.

    Perhaps Peak Oil is a much more pressing problem for industrialized society than is officially acknowledged. There must be something huge coming down the pike to convince so many to cooperate in this conspiracy. America, which has developed around the concept that cheap oil would be available forever, is in for some major changes as energy costs continue to rise.

    Demand destruction through recession/depression would ease the cost increases, but only at the expense of economic growth.  Indeed, the fractional reserve banking system depends on economic growth in perpetuity.  Not gonna happen...

  •  If I remember correctly (none)
    isn't Matthews a Dem--at least a nominal one?  I wonder if Rove has some naked pictures of Matthews somewhere.

    Jack Murtha is no coward--here's a real coward.

    by Christian Dem in NC on Wed Jan 25, 2006 at 08:46:45 AM PST

  •  My "open letter" to Mr. Matthews (none)
    Right on, Congresswoman Slaughter!  

    I believe Mr. Matthews has a right to his opinion, just like Michael Moore does.  But it's become appallingly clear over the past few years that Mr. Matthews' "opinions" are slightly embellished "talking points" from the administration PR playbook.  And from him, it's a disappointment.  But what's frightening is the thought that, "journalist" by journalist; pundit by pundit...every day, more former news outlets will be getting those talking points as "marching orders" from whom? Their bosses?  Their corporate owners?  "King" George and his men?

    Kossacks call him "Tweety" but I remember a different Chris Matthews, which makes this all the more disappointing to me.

    I inclded my real name and a link to my website; which I won't do here, but here's the text of my open letter - I'm sending a copy to MSNBC as well:

    Dear Mr. Matthews,

    You and I met several years ago, right about the time you were about to take off as a superstar on cable news. You had just written an outstanding book, Kennedy and Nixon, and my business partners and I were working hard to turn it into a documentary. Unfortunately, we failed.

    The one occasion I met with you in person, I was very impressed. You had a quick, sharp mind, an admirable grasp of history and politics, and were then presenting yourself as a centrist "voice of reason." I began watching HARDBALL occasionally, and your obvious talent made me even more disappointed we couldn't make the book project happen.

    Sir, what the hell happened to you?

    From a centrist "voice of reason," you have fallen to the bottom of the barrel as a Bush administration apologist/mouthpiece. From a thinker with a quick wit and sharp tongue, you've morphed into a softball-tossing sycophant. All your knowledge of history... all your insight into politics...seem to have vanished as your profile as a pundit/commentator/moderator has grown.

    My observation of you as a person is that you are someone with a high level of energy who moves quickly through life. Perhaps that's what has kept you from stopping during these past five, six years to look in the mirror and study what you have done to yourself and your integrity. You are an intelligent man and you must know you are telling LIES. You must know that you are reading cliff notes from a playbook and using your natural wit to embellish them.

    Perhaps what you don't realize - or refuse to aknowledge - is how much you are hurting America. How much you are continuing to divide us. How you are helping the perpetrators one of the worst crimes against the American People to continue to manipulate the truth to reach their goals of ultimate power and control over what used to be the greatest democracy the world has ever known.

    Why did you do it, Chris? Did they offer you obscene amounts of money? Did the flattery and fame go to your head? Did they subtley threaten you with loss of your hard-won job...or did they have "something" on you?

    Or did you simply just wake up one day and decide, "The hell with my soul, my integrity, my self respect. I'm going for the gold."?

    At any rate, I turn on your show and I don't recognize that whip-smart, savvy, thoughtful man who authored such a fascinating book.

    I see a bought and paid for television whore.

    May God forgive you.

    Sincerely,
    My real name

    "There is no crueler tyranny than that which is perpetrated under the shield of law and in the name of justice." - Montesquieu, 1742

    by hopesprings on Wed Jan 25, 2006 at 09:03:16 AM PST

  •  Democratic boycott (none)
    Democratic officials should refuse to appear on MSNBC until it offers an official apology for these irresponsible statements.

    Karl Rove has already said the republicans are running on "National Security" this year. Well, they have no actual accomplisments, so this is what they mean. We can't let MSNBC work as GOP campaign network.

    Democrats need to demand at least some base level of responsible discourse for the networks they frequent.

    We also can realize the dream of a world without war, but only by stubborn persistence, only by a refusal to surrender that dream -Howard Zinn

    by Jawis on Wed Jan 25, 2006 at 09:55:08 AM PST

  •  Added my voice by calling Hardball (none)
    Told the person on the telephone such claims were poisionous to the debate and his claim that he was misunderstood was just him trying to weasel out of it and that he should apologize.
  •  actually.... (none)
    I dont really give a shit about Bin Laden and I am an American.  To protect this nation we have to snuff out the root causes of this terrorism.... and at least a handful of those causes are ourselves.

    We create a ridiculous amount of trash, we make and give weapons to shady people (i.e. Bin Laden), we consume resources at a rate that is debilitating the rest of the globe.  

    If we want to stop terrorism than we have to quit being terrorists.  Which is worse as far as human toll September 11th or global warming?  I would say quickening the ability for the human race to live on the earth is the winner.

    I knew nothing about what Chris Matthews was saying because I dont watch tv.  His words mean nothing is they arent heard.  But thats the problem.  You quote him in good times and bad but you just want the good.  Turn him off.  Turn all of them off.  The tv is ruining our nation at a pace that is ridiculous.  You are asking me to care about what some rich white asshole is saying when there are people in my town that are going hungry.  Which is a better call to action?

    I appreciate public officials making themselves available to public discourse but I think that lumping all americans into any category (even if that category is getting Bin Laden) is stupid.  Bin Laden is more of an idea at this stage.  If he is "brought to justice" or not has almost no meaning to the greater movement that is now underway.  The day he is caught or killed the headlines will read "Number 1 terrorist killed" or something to that extent.  In reality it should read "New #1 terrorist now in place".  There will be more Bin Ladens as long as we dont change ourselves.... and the sad reality is we are too fat, spending too much money and too worried about what people on tv are saying to have time to change what we are doing.

    "Global deaths due to hunger in one year= 8,760,000"

    by Sausalito on Wed Jan 25, 2006 at 10:04:53 AM PST

  •  This one is a lot more conversational (none)
    than the "What we Congress folks have done" diary that I critiqued a few days ago, and I think it just works better because it's a lot more focused and urges readers to take actions that we can actually take.
  •  Ms. Slaughter: If you're reading this..... (none)
    are you preparing a case to present to the House any time soon to start the Impeachment proceedings?? If not, why?
  •  Matthews CNBC show (none)
    smells even worse than Hardball.

    This week, he started in on his usual Hillary potshots to a big gang of slobbering, desperate ass lickers.  Andrea Mitchell actually had the guts to speak out on the comment that Hillary's "plantation" comment was rascist.

    It is really troubling to see "liberal" blogs and the right wing attacking the same politicians and media.

    It is disturbing to see editorials here saying that Leiberman - who attacked his colleagues on Fox News - is a good guy.
    And at the same time give Hillary Clinton the Chris Matthews
    treatment.

    The fact is that the difference between dKos and Fox News/Hardball has narrowed.

  •  hypocrites (none)
    if it's not ok for Tweety to compare war critics with Osama, isn't it also beyond the pale and hypocritical for Kos and liberals to compare the Christian right and Pat Robertson to Osama and the Taliban? I've got my own beefs with the religious right, but i would never compare my christian brothers and sisters to Osama. at least Dobson's not training people to fly planes and kill innocent civilians in the name of God.
    •  fundamentalism (none)
      Is fundamentalism really not comparable across seas?

      When men yield up the privilege of thinking, the last shadow of liberty quits the horizon. Thomas Paine

      by mrcoder on Wed Jan 25, 2006 at 07:41:39 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  Yeah, right. (none)
      How dare we compare Christians like Robertson -- who calls for the assassination of elected officials -- with Muslim fundies who call for jihads and assassinations.  

      Tell us again how pure your Christian brothers are....

  •  W is OBL's hero (none)
    W has caused more US casualties than OBL
    W has taken away the rights of US citizens
    W has bankrupted our nation
    W has been the most effective jihadii recruiter ever
    W has made US citizens afraid

    OBL could NEVER have done that

    George W Bush has won the war on terror--for the wrong side!

    Here in Texas, many of us were glad our village idiot had left the state.  Sorry 'bout that y'all.

    W - all boots & hat, no cattle

    by Mosquito Pilot on Thu Jan 26, 2006 at 04:41:52 AM PST

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