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A great thing  has been happening at this site the past few days. The community has taken the bull by the horns and is leading itself in the fight for the filibuster. Our elected officials and their staff have taken to communicating directly to the community.

Site "leaders" like Markos are in favor of the fight. People like me are in favor of the fight. But it is the community, spontaneously and indomitably, that is fighting the fight. It is the community that has linked with committed elected officials and their representatives to continue to fight that fight.

This is how movements are born.

You are changing the rules of the game. The daily kos community is crossing its own Rubicon. It is leading itself. And hurrah for that!

Update [2006-1-28 13:17:16 by Armando]: Please see my new front page post.

Originally posted to Armando on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 07:51 AM PST.

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  •  Good response (3.66)
    that's the way its done

    -4.63,-3.54 If the people will lead the leaders will follow

    by calebfaux on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 07:53:18 AM PST

    •  Parade for the FIGHTERS (4.00)
      The minute the final Scalito vote is done, many of us are going to break out the tickertape and hold an online parade for the Senators who fought on behalf of the Constitution.  We will praise them for rejecting the ancient set-peice battle strategies of the lobbying establishment, and embracing the asymetrical power of the people.

      We will reward them with all our support and resources as they prepare for the next battle for freedom against the dark forces of dictatorship.

      We cannot be silenced.  We cannot be ignored.  We cannot be demoralized.  We cannot be stopped.

      •  Great, at least its a plan.... (none)

        If it talks like an R, VOTES like an R, it is an R - even if it has a D after its name.

        by dkmich on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 09:48:23 AM PST

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        •  I'm sick of the DINOs too. (none)
          let's make 'em extinct!
          •  Filibuster, How To (only you can make it happen): (none)
            Fax the word to FILIBUSTER instantly to twelve wavering Senators

            Call the Democrats (Mary Landrieu, Ken Salazar, Barack Obama, Tom Harkin) who oppose Alito but also said they oppose a filibuster. We must persuade them that a vote against Alito is meaningless if they don't support a filibuster.

            Senator Salazar (D-CO) 202-224-5852

            Sen. Mary Landrieu (D-LA) 202-224-5824 (If you can't get through the Washington number, look up the Senator's District Office numbers and fax here: http://capwiz.com/...)


            Senator Barack Obama Phone: 202-224-2854 District Offices: Chicago: 312-886-3506 Marion: 618-997-2402 Springfield: 217-492-5089

            Senator Tom Harkin Phone: 202-224-3254 District Offices: Des Moines: 515-284-4574 Cedar Rapids: 319-365-4504 Davenport: 563-322-1338 Dubuque: 563-582-2130  Sioux City: 712-252-1550

            Second : Call your own Democratic Senator: 888-355-3588 or 888-818-6641. If you can't get through, look up the Senator's District Office numbers and fax here: http://capwiz.com/...

            Third : Unbelievably, three Democrats (Ben Nelson, Tim Johnson and Robert Byrd) support Alito! Tell them to either support filibuster or at least "don't get in the way." Sen. Ben Nelson (D-NE) 202-224-6551 Sen. Robert Byrd (D-WV) 202-224-3954 Sen. Tim Johnson (D-SD) 202-224-5842

            888-355-3588 or 888-818-6641. If you can't get through, look up the Senator's District Office number in your phone book or here: http://capwiz.com/...

            Fourth: Call the "Red State" Democrats: (Message same as above -- "No" is meaningless) Tom Carper (DE)

            Kent Conrad (ND)

            Byron Dorgan (ND)

            Mark Pryor (AR)

            Fifth : Call these "Blue State" and pro-choice Republicans: (Message: A "Unitary Executive" is dangerous to balance of powers--please do not get in the way of a filibuster.) Lincoln Chafee (RI)

            Susan Collins (ME)

            Lisa Murkowsky (AK)

            Gordon Smith (OR)

            Olympia Snowe (ME)

            Ted Stevens (AK)

            Blanche Lincoln (AR)

            888-355-3588 or 888-818-6641. If you can't get through, look up the Senator's District Office number in your phone book or here: http://capwiz.com/...

            For extra credit, call all of the 2008 Presidential candidates who are sitting Senators--Evan Bayh, Joe Biden, Hillary Clinton, Russ Feingold, and John Kerry--and tell them to either LEAD THE FILIBUSTER or KISS YOUR SUPPORT GOODBYE. 888-355-3588 or 888-818-6641. If you can't get through, look up the Senator's District Office number in your phone book or here: http://capwiz.com/...

            You can also send that message to the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee (202-224-2447) and the Democratic National Committee (202-863-8000).

            Polls and public opinion are another way to apply pressure -- get word out about why Alito needs to be filibustered:

            Write a letter to the editor of your local newspaper. (Click here)

            People for the American Way has collected nearly 65,000 signatures to send to the Senate, please add yours: Save the Court Petition

            John Kerry has endorsed this anti-Alito petition, signers' names will be read into the Congressional Record:http://www.johnkerry.com/...

      •   Great idea, but... (none)
        Why not lead a parade before the vote.

        A great deal of energy has been spent here on discussion, and I am sad to say fretting over who is doing what right or wrong.  The blogsphere is energized, but is wasting that energy in a great deal of unproductive talk.

        Why not post the relevant information on a working diary, and I am sure this could be set such that it remains at the head of the site; include phone numbers, email addresses, would be nice to have updates on how many have called, which senators are on board - RELEVANT info only; bloggers can enter their own diaries for discussion.  It would also be nice to see what others are doing in their community so anyone else in that area can get out and join.  I live in a small, rural community, outside Portland, Oregon. Since I can't find out if anyone is staging filibuster demonstrations through the web, I am getting in my car, with signs in the back and will go looking for it. If not found, I will just park out at Pioneer Square and hope.  I see all this energy here at dKos. I myself feel electric.  We must use this energy productively.

        Senators Kerry and Kennedy put their necks out. It is time we do the same. We need to show the same level of courage. Simply calling your representatives is not enough. We need to organize to break through the media blackout, we need to do something that lets the people of this nation know this is a serious effort. Even if we don't win, the effort behind this should be so amazing that congress, Republican and Democrat alike, know that they will have to reckon with us, We the People.

        See you on the streets!

      •  I would still (none)
        feel better if there were 50k or so good men and woman sitting in the streets of DC ready to flog our representatives into fighting if need be.

        Frankly it should be made abundantly clear through out right blatant intimidation if need be, that further cowardice will not be tolerated and anyone demuring from the fight should render their resignations.

        And if it takes a constituent or 12 camping out in their various congress critters offices with a whip and a cattle prod to keep this herd of cats on target then maybe we should consider setting up a tent and batteries fund.

    •  But he still somewhat misses the point (4.00)
      Yes, it is momentous that the netroots is rising to the occassion and using it's power, and for that we all deserve some small credit.

      But .. if we were to compare Dkos and myDD and the rest of the progressive blogs to the editorial pages of a major newspaper, so far all the action has been in the "letters to the editor" section (in our case the right side of the page.) We need something from the editorial board themselves.

      We all know that this effort to stop Alito is a long shot at best, but you fight the war you have, not the war you wish you had.

      For the next few days, this issue should be THE ONLY issue, we can worry about congressional races next week or the week after.

      We are not looking for leadership in the terms of someone to tell us what needs to be done ... that aspect takes care of itself. What we need is support, unwavering, unqualified support. From the front page editorial board.

      •  New York Times (4.00)
        http://www.nytimes.com/...

        Judge Alito's Radical Views

        Judge Alito may be a fine man, but he is not the kind of justice the country needs right now. Senators from both parties should oppose his nomination.

        It is likely that Judge Alito was chosen for his extreme views on presidential power. The Supreme Court, with Justice O'Connor's support, has played a key role in standing up to the Bush administration's radical view of its power, notably that it can hold, indefinitely and without trial, anyone the president declares an "unlawful enemy combatant."

        Judge Alito would no doubt try to change the court's approach. He has supported the fringe "unitary executive" theory, which would give the president greater power to detain Americans and would throw off the checks and balances built into the Constitution. He has also put forth the outlandish idea that if the president makes a statement when he signs a bill into law, a court interpreting the law should give his intent the same weight it gives to Congress's intent in writing and approving the law.

        It's a start.

        "If I wanted to break the law, why was I briefing Congress?"

        by daria g on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 09:49:27 AM PST

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      •  Something would be nice. (none)
        Right now, tts sort of like being on the psychiatrist's couch with s/he saying, "mmm, tell me how you feel about that?".

        If it talks like an R, VOTES like an R, it is an R - even if it has a D after its name.

        by dkmich on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 09:50:39 AM PST

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    •  Caleb!!! (none)
      How the hell are you?!? How's Cincy?

      This is your good friend Andy writing you from Guatemala.

  •  Very well put, Armando. n/t (4.00)
  •  Well said n/t (4.00)

    "One of the biggest changes in politics in my lifetime is that the delusional is no longer marginal." Bill Moyers

    by Lahdee on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 07:54:10 AM PST

  •  Agreed, we are doing a great thing! (4.00)
    And rousing support from leaders like you helps the effort.  

    The Christian Right is neither Witness Every Day

    by TXsharon on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 07:55:39 AM PST

  •  Hell Yes! (4.00)
    If we go down, we go down in flames, but at least we fought the good fight.

    Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known---Carl Sagan

    by LibChicAZ on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 07:55:50 AM PST

  •  Exactly. (4.00)
    I did not see the "leaders" of this blog say that they were going to take down the gazillion "Filibuster" diaries.  The community has pushed the issue to the front and the "leaders" have supported it.  That is how it is supposed to work.
    •  Schmeaders (4.00)
      I don't see any use in asking Armando to lead us somewhere.  This website moves in eddies, not in currents.

      "We need a war to show 'em that we can do it whenever we say we need a war." -- Fischerspooner

      by bink on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 08:22:44 AM PST

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  •  and being a Dean person (4.00)
    I approve of the community leading itself.
    •  Absolutely (4.00)

      --and with any luck, this will increase.

      I am very encouraged by this -- lets see what we can do to continue and further engage.  We ARE the leaders -- as Dean says, WE have the power!

      Stop Looking For Leaders - WE are the Leaders!!!

      by SwimmertoFreedom04 on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 08:54:42 AM PST

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  •  To frame our action... (4.00)
    "Leaders are visionaries with a poorly developed sense of fear and no concept of the odds against them.  They make the impossible happen."  
    --Dr. Jarvik (inventor of the artificial heart)

    ------------------------------------------------

    "Bureaucracy defends the status quo long past the time when the quo has lost its status." --LJ Peter

    by Hells Bells on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 07:59:58 AM PST

  •  F***ing "A" Man! (4.00)
    That's right, like Deam Wormer said, "This year I taking the bull by the balls"  We need to filibuster Alito and I am in favor of this move.
  •  great point (4.00)
    well said.

    tracking the domestic spying scandal here.

    by Georgia Logothetis on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 08:06:00 AM PST

  •  And a related shift is underway (4.00)
    Parliamentary camouflage is becoming transparent. The ability to satisfy two competing constituencies by casting a symbolic vote on one side, then a meaningful vote the other way -- i.e. vote against Alito but for cloture -- is shriveling.

    Please note, Senate staffers. That no longer works.

  •  I think they are noticing (4.00)
    Between the Alito filibuster and the Abramoff media kvetch I do think dKos and the left blogosphere have now come into real influence in the public sphere.

    Win or lose on Alito, we have demonstrated that the netroots are a force to be reckoned with. And despite the "fever swamp" meme being pushed by the establishment media, people will increasingly pay attention to us now that we have exposed the paper-thin tissue of legitimacy that binds the Washington Post to its readership.

    VirginiaBelle is right - we are beginning to win in the strategic game of truth against power. Fear not, even the money men know losers when they see them. BushCo is on the ropes. Lets keep up the body blows against the machine.

    The name is not the thing named, the map is not the territory. -- Gregory Bateson

    by semiot on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 08:11:36 AM PST

    •  yes.. (4.00)
      ..the establishment/traditional media have helped create this bush nightmare.  You can't work against him and not against them at the same time.  They're highly resentful of the intrusion into their world, and stubborn to change, but I'm very pleased with the results of criticism focused at them by bloggers.  Keep it up.
  •  Are you running for elected office? (4.00)
    I'm not accusing you of spinning us, but I work in a political speak environment and that's right up there with the best of the best.  I agree with you to a degree, but I don't think you and Markos should get off scott free.  This is your place too, aren't I gracious, and what are you doing besides stirring the pot?  

    A couple of things have happened that should be examined.  Blogs, dkos maybe in particular, are making inroads.  To what, I don't know.  We have Kerry posting here and now Ted Kennedy.  WaPo had to eat something - not sure what.  Tweety and Mathews are being worked on right now (If you haven't participated in this campaign - get on it by contacting Turbo Tax, Horizon, and Toyota). I think the fag jokes with Imus are gonna hurt Mathews at MSNBC even if we don't get to see it.

    Anyway.  Now that we have everyone's attention  - what do we want?  If we don't get our act together, we will lose credibility.  We said damn you dems, do something.  Ok, now they are here and willing to listen (to some degree).  What is our point? It isn't just our creditbility that's on the line, I think dkos has something at stake, too.  Come on Armando.  After you guys stir the pot, then what?

    If it talks like an R, VOTES like an R, it is an R - even if it has a D after its name.

    by dkmich on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 08:12:41 AM PST

    •  I'm not "leading" this fight (4.00)
      It's not my call as to "what next."

      Sort of my point here.

      The SCOTUS is extraordinary.

      by Armando on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 08:23:02 AM PST

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      •  I know that was your point... (4.00)
        and I'm not asking you to lead.  You have made your position very clear.  What I am asking is for insight into what you or Markos or dkos think about the price of wheat in China.   I'm not asking you to go get it and feed us.  A little grass hopper routine here and there would be nice.
        Lets start with what you think Kerry and Kennedy's visits here might mean to you, dkos, the US, or the planet.  You pick.

        If it talks like an R, VOTES like an R, it is an R - even if it has a D after its name.

        by dkmich on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 08:28:43 AM PST

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        •  I really don't know (4.00)
          I am anxious to find out.

          The SCOTUS is extraordinary.

          by Armando on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 08:30:10 AM PST

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          •  Hi Armando (4.00)
            Rock and a hard place I know.

            I think one thing that access brings besides insider info is responsibility. A responsibility to use the insider info carefully while maintaining the profile that facilitated the access to the info in the first place.

            While someone like me is screaming at the ALL CAPS level for certain action to be taken on certain issues, people with the inside info have to bite their tongues and post platitudes and encouragement careful not to show their cards while maintaining the respect of the community.

            And that doesn't even take into account how holding certain information that would make the community explode with joy (or sorrow) must take its toll or make you fret that one of us screaming and yelling might just reveal a strategy or suggest something the other side might have missed.

            The last point there is one I grapple with regularly.

            This isn't a private site with 80 thousand vetted and screened members who can have their access yanked for security breaches.

            Politics is as much a game of chess as it is soapbox and I wonder how often we tip our hand to the rovians monitoring this site when we parse, hash, and ruminate on the minutia of every issue we tackle.

            Short story long... I understand the position Markos and you in particular are in and I only envy it to a certain degree ;)

        •  We're cats, we're all a bunch (4.00)
          of cats!

          Empty the treasury with a bogus war, then gut the social service programs. Bush & Company.

          by mattes on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 08:49:43 AM PST

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      •  or abdicating? (4.00)
        seriously.. it's disingenuous for Kos and his selected FPers (who earned that status through their smarts) to disclaim any leadership role in this fight.

        Yes, it's great.. awesome.. that the "community.. is "leading" the fight.

        But there's a reason why leaders matter, too.. why we have elections.

        Especially in the current context.  

        70000 Kossacks contacting their reps. is critical... but so are the individual FACES/persons to represent us.

        I believe that the delegation idea holds great merit.. and I urge Kos, you and the selected others... to make that DC trip.

        •  I'm terrified that 70,000 Kossacks (4.00)
          are gonna end up in a bunch.  Are we gonna turn into dodge em cars?  I just wish there was some coordination somewhere.   Like the Kennedy thread.  I was surprised at the volume of "open thread" like comments on it.  What do you think they made of that?  Quickly, let me add that I'm not criticizing anyone who participated in that.  I have no better idea of what should have been the content of the comments.  At least the chatter added comments.  It would have been worse if it had had no comments.

          If it talks like an R, VOTES like an R, it is an R - even if it has a D after its name.

          by dkmich on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 08:37:41 AM PST

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          •  To a certain extent (4.00)
            I think we are like bumper cars, and that's one of the things that makes the site great.  If everyone had to be "coordinated" then it would be something different.  

            The fact that we can disagree but still debate, mostly agreeably, and the variety expression, is what makes this place interesting.

            There are places to go to "get coordinated" if that's what you're after.  But a clearinghouse for idea-sharing is not the same thing as a political party or a drive to accomplish a specific political result.

      •  But you know what, Armando.... (4.00)
        I actually have much trust that you and Kos could actually come up with a rather ingenuous 'what next'.  I do. Why? Because you guys have proven time and time again that you have serious political savvy, and not to mention 'connections' to media and important persons.

        You are both situated to acuallly make a rather LOUD rallying cry.  Not implementing it now is disappointing to say the least.

        LetsFight. re handle: Fight the radical right is the sentiment!

        by letsfight on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 08:39:50 AM PST

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        •  AND (4.00)
          do you know how silly your community and the net roots will look if this thing blows up.  It will reflect back and you can't deny that.  Then you can kiss your influence good bye.  Right?  You know you have a vested interest - why aren't you at least gently guiding from the side lines if you think you will too easily corrupt opinions here so you are remaining mute.  Are you taking the fifth?  

          If it talks like an R, VOTES like an R, it is an R - even if it has a D after its name.

          by dkmich on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 08:44:59 AM PST

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          •  If you are responding to my post.... (4.00)
            The ONLY dirty bomb in this battle (a la your analogy of this thing blowing up) is an Alito confirmation.

            Or are you suggesting that if the frontpagers spoke loudly for filibuster and it didn't happen or it didn't work or a nuke option resulted... that daily kos would have egg on its face, and because of that risk only, the front pagers should sit on their hands?

            ?????I am not sure you were even responding to my post...... So you don't fight if there isn't a 100% guarantee that you will win?

            LetsFight. re handle: Fight the radical right is the sentiment!

            by letsfight on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 08:50:21 AM PST

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            •  fight smart (none)

              "The pen is mightier than the sword, but only at a range of greater than five feet" Malaclypse the Younger

              by buhdydharma on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 08:54:45 AM PST

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              •  I agree. (4.00)
                But it is literally the cornerstone of this demcracy that is overtly threatened with Alito on the bench. Let's take the medicare bill and the bankruptcy bill, for instance. Now those issues were/are abominations in this alleged First World nation. Despicable. But they are not the very foundations of the entire republic.

                Yes, most of the time you have to fight smart.

                And, sometimes, you just FIGHT... with everything you've got.  If you've got a leader by virtue of his or her position in your group.. for god's sakes... lift him up to the top scaffold to speak loudly. Very loudly.

                LetsFight. re handle: Fight the radical right is the sentiment!

                by letsfight on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 09:01:40 AM PST

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                •  Yes sometimes ya gotta 'Get Mad At It' (4.00)
                  But if their is one overriding strategic/tactical lesson that history teaches us, its that Leaders who act without thinking, out of JUST passion are defeated.

                  We are in an unexpectedly powerful situation an need to use that power wisely not blindly.

                  I applaud your passion and that of all those here and support you/us 100%.

                  I am the old guard and part of my function is to use my mind and wisdom so those that go out on the field have the best support they can get.

                  That being said LETSFIGHT!, letsfight!

                  "The pen is mightier than the sword, but only at a range of greater than five feet" Malaclypse the Younger

                  by buhdydharma on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 09:14:35 AM PST

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                  •  And let's also make sure.... (4.00)
                    that we have a good dose of BUDDYDHARMA! BUDDYDHARMA too!!!

                    Ying/yang.  We need it all.

                    btw, I really love coming across your posts all over the board..... you really do walk the walk...

                    LetsFight. re handle: Fight the radical right is the sentiment!

                    by letsfight on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 09:32:59 AM PST

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                    •  As do you, friend (none)
                      tanx

                      "The pen is mightier than the sword, but only at a range of greater than five feet" Malaclypse the Younger

                      by buhdydharma on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 09:50:47 AM PST

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                      •  We should have our own public tv show... (none)
                        There will be me in full armor... frothing at the mouth...arms flailing.. crying out, "Pounce! We must Pounce!  Tigger was RIGHT!"

                        Camera pan to BuddyDharma... shaded by a cloud of exquisite incense and lighted by a series of well placed prayer candles... saying, calmly, "ohmmmmmmmm" followed with a big smile.

                        Moderator pipes in..."George from DC on the line... what's your comment, sir?"

                        George from DC: "Oh, I give up!  I just flat out give up!  

                        And then we Win!!!  Yay!

                        LetsFight. re handle: Fight the radical right is the sentiment!

                        by letsfight on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 10:24:03 AM PST

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                        •  Nice! (none)
                          But if you google Bohdidharma whose name I appropriated, you will see that us Taoists have (very cool)armor too.

                          Swinging the Sword of Peace is no less dangerous than the Sword of War! LOL, thus my sig.

                          and btw its AUM! ;)

                          "The pen is mightier than the sword, but only at a range of greater than five feet" Malaclypse the Younger

                          by buhdydharma on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 10:41:47 AM PST

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                  •  A history lesson (none)
                    Your assertion, "But if their is one overriding strategic/tactical lesson that history teaches us, its that Leaders who act without thinking, out of JUST passion are defeated" is somewhat tendentious. No leaders act "JUST" out of passion.

                    History has shown that leaders can and will lead knowingly into defeat, rather than leave a passionate group of followers leaderless. They accrue even greater leadership authority thereby. The Bolsheviks won a lot of authority against the other parties in 1917 because they were the only party that supported the masses in a doomed spontaneous uprising in Petrograd and Moscow in July 1917. They debated heavily among themselves before supporting the uprising, which they had had nothing to do with organizing. But they finally chose to support, and then lead it, i.e., take leadership responsibility, go to jail over it, etc. Historians who often can't figure out where the Bolsheviks got their political capital overlook this important but underanalysed event.

                    There are many more instances one could give, but this is the one that came to my mind at this moment. John Brown at Harpers Ferry also comes to mind.

                    "...in this abject posture have ye sworn / To adore the Conquerour?..../ Awake, arise, or be for ever fall'n."

                    by Valtin on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 10:46:20 AM PST

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                    •  Many many examples (none)
                      the meeting of the weathermen to go violent and underground was legendary in my circles.

                      This is the "debating heavily before supporting the uprising" phase and we are doing a good job.

                      Of course there is no 'decision' to be made her its time for a fight, past time. Its how to fight and thats the critical moment.

                      Ghandi v. Stalin in the extreme.

                      Our strength is our medium and our our smarts, we are information warriors. We must use our strength and gaurd our weaknesses, in this case a type of war fever that is kinda neato. Imo this current question is settled by Armandos fp post.

                      But I bet the discussion continues,LOL!

                      "The pen is mightier than the sword, but only at a range of greater than five feet" Malaclypse the Younger

                      by buhdydharma on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 11:26:35 AM PST

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                      •  Oh yeah (none)
                        "Leaders who act without thinking, out of JUST passion are defeated" is somewhat tendentious. No leaders act "JUST" out of passion."

                        None that we remember, hee hee

                        "The pen is mightier than the sword, but only at a range of greater than five feet" Malaclypse the Younger

                        by buhdydharma on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 11:29:25 AM PST

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            •  I think I was agreeing with you. (none)
              The only hope we have (when we are allowed to exercise our free speech rights without getting zeros) is us, the grass roots.  Yes Alito getting confirmed would be really, really bad.  I'm not saying the fight shouldn't have been fought either.  I'm just worry that in all of this the integrity of this site and the people on it gets destroyed.   Again the only hope for reform is us.  If we destroy us - then what?  So my real question is, what next.  Not even next about Alito, but what next about the activism that caught fire here?  How does it nurture and grow what it kindled?

              If it talks like an R, VOTES like an R, it is an R - even if it has a D after its name.

              by dkmich on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 09:08:49 AM PST

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          •  My response if you are just ADDING to my post. (none)
            (as suggested by the ingenuous use of the word AND as your title... doh!)

            RIGHT!

            LetsFight. re handle: Fight the radical right is the sentiment!

            by letsfight on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 08:53:21 AM PST

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        •  An idea....a e-newletter sent (4.00)
          each week to our senators with key diaries that have important information not commonly seen on MSM, and also diaries that have energy proposals etc. Knowledge is power. We will fight the lobbyists with the truth! And senators can get immediate feedback on what's happening in general.

          Empty the treasury with a bogus war, then gut the social service programs. Bush & Company.

          by mattes on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 08:55:50 AM PST

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          •  Cherry pick from jotter's daily list (none)
            Take the best of top of the daily high impact diary lists and forward to all of the Dems.

            "Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about the things that matter." Dr. ML King, from a jail cell in Birmingham, Alabama in 1963.

            by bewert on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 09:35:38 AM PST

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        •  I agree (4.00)
          but it's political savvy based on listening to us, the roots.

          That's the point.

          We are the Democrats.

      •  Armando, great post, thanks (4.00)
        I understand that this is a personal decision for all of us to make.

        But if you and DH are going to take the lead as enforcers or in DH's case, bullies, you have to expect people to look for you to lead in other situations as well. It goes both ways.

        I have nothing negative to say about anyone, here.
        We all have to decide for our selves (as you said in your post) our level of commitment and participation.

        I trust you and the other luminaries here to do the right thing and you have my support whatever happens. I'm just proud to be part of this process

        "The pen is mightier than the sword, but only at a range of greater than five feet" Malaclypse the Younger

        by buhdydharma on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 08:51:45 AM PST

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        •  Not rating this because I'm ambivalent (none)
          You make a good point, i.e., "this is a personal decision for all of us to make". If you want to see my embittered post, just look down a few comments; your point that there is nothing negative to say about anyone here (e.g. Armando or Kos), is ennobling.

          But I can't quite bring myself to agree. When Kos and Armando started appearing on radio, and presenting themselves as some kind of authority on politics, I started to feel toward them the aura of leadership. Not that I thought they had become leaders, but they WERE putting themselves forward, whether they can see this or not.

          I don't have the bully pulpit they do. I believe that gives them a kind of responsibility. I do not feel as angry toward them as I do toward the Senate Democrats, who have almost totally shown us how to be either cowardly or inept.

          I know, the fight is not yet over. But it has been run with almost indifference from the top, not cagey smarts, as some would aver. Political battles are not won by unleashing the troops without a plan or a leadership to guide them. That's how good people get slaughtered.

          I can only feel very dubious toward this proclamation of a new program by armando, kos and kid oakland, a new "pragmatism" it's been called.

          I will await more substantive analysis until after the Alito fight is either won or lost, and some lessons absorbed. I am not sanguine. If I have offended anyone here, that was not my intention. If I turn out to be utterly wrong, I will join you at the bonfire of MY vanities, viz. my various critical comments and rants, and regale myself in their warmth.

          "...in this abject posture have ye sworn / To adore the Conquerour?..../ Awake, arise, or be for ever fall'n."

          by Valtin on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 10:35:05 AM PST

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      •  On not leading the fight (none)
        I guess the SCOTUS was not so extraordinary after all.

        "...in this abject posture have ye sworn / To adore the Conquerour?..../ Awake, arise, or be for ever fall'n."

        by Valtin on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 10:25:30 AM PST

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        •  Update (none)
          I see, Armando, you have joined the fight, now up on the front page.

          Welcome, and much welcomed.

          "...in this abject posture have ye sworn / To adore the Conquerour?..../ Awake, arise, or be for ever fall'n."

          by Valtin on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 10:48:34 AM PST

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    •  Credibility (4.00)
      It isn't really about being right as much as being honest, being genuine.

      So do not (AR)worry about tomorrow; for tomorrow will care for itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own.      -- Matthew 6:34

                                     

      The so-called, "Global War On Terror" IS Terrorism!

      by november3rd on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 08:34:30 AM PST

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    •  Elected Dems on dKos (4.00)
      Kerry is the latest. Sen. Kennedy posted some months go. We also have been visited by:
      • Sen. Boxer
      • Rep. Conyers
      • Sen. Feingold
      • Rep. McDermott
      • Sen. Obama
      • Rep. Pelosi
      • Rep. Slaughter

      I'm sure I am forgetting a few.
      •  Obama doesn't count (1.66)
        and I mean that in more ways than one.

        If it talks like an R, VOTES like an R, it is an R - even if it has a D after its name.

        by dkmich on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 08:48:28 AM PST

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        •  Land of free speech, eh? (none)

          If it talks like an R, VOTES like an R, it is an R - even if it has a D after its name.

          by dkmich on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 09:03:14 AM PST

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          •  Thank you pursewarden (none)
            If I'm around when the censors troll rate one of your opinions because they don't agree, I'll pay back the favor.  Long live the first amendment.

            If it talks like an R, VOTES like an R, it is an R - even if it has a D after its name.

            by dkmich on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 09:22:47 AM PST

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            •  I don't troll rate for disagreement (3.20)
              I do troll rate for off-topic, snotty comments that make no attempt whatsoever to justify a position.
              •  Me, too. (none)
                It isn't a position, it is an opinion.  MINE.  Don't be so snotty.

                If it talks like an R, VOTES like an R, it is an R - even if it has a D after its name.

                by dkmich on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 09:41:17 AM PST

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              •  I rated the comment a "1" (none)
                because I don't think it was a troll, but it certainly was "unproductive" to the discussion, imo, and uncalled for.  

                I don't downrate posts because I disagree with them, ever, (in fact, I often chide against those who do), but your comment about
                Sen. Obama was borderline drive-by troll shot.   If you hadn't made other thoughtful posts in this diary discussion, I would've zero rated it as a troll drive-by flip off.

                And I couldn't disagree more with your comment, either, btw.

        •  I'm curious (none)
          as to why you would say that about Senator Obama?  I believe that while he is still green, and he would be the first to say that he is, there will be great things to come from this man.  If you haven't, read his commencement speech from Knox College, here.
          The man is eloquent, honest, and on target.  I don't think he's been given enough time to be written off.  He's a junior senator who is just getting his feet wet. Lighten up on the good Senator from Illinois.
    •  Markos is only one person (none)
      Armando is only one person. We can't look to the same people to always do everyting. Just keeping this blog moving and working is more than a full time job. Then there is everything else they do, from research to advocating to speaking... They are already doing what they can and doing an unbeleiveable job of it.

      If there is something you want, if there is something you feel strongly about, if you believe that others feel that way too, then think about what YOU need to make it happen. This community is an unbelievable resource. YOU have all you need here to make it happen if you choose to accept responsibility for making sure it gets done.

      Markos created this place for us. What do we want to do with it? What do you want to do with it?

      Support the project that believes in the best our community has to offer! Support YearlyKos

      by gina on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 09:07:31 AM PST

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  •  Everybody Can Feel It (4.00)
    Listening to Kerry on the floor of the Senate yesterday, I almost, almost started to cry.  Corny?

    Some say it's grandstanding, a publicity stunt, a waste of time, a disgrace, etc...  It's an opportunity to reason with blockheads.  The more we think about Alito, the worse he looks, let's face it.

    It would be worse than a mistake to install him.  Yeah, he's brilliant.  Yeah, he's a good man.  But he's also somebody with a very narrow, defended outlook, and I wonder at times if he is still human, or whether he has morphed into some kind of machine.

    He's a home-grown catastrophe.

    Plus, look who nominated him!  That alone makes it virtually impossible to allow his confirmation to succeed.

    The more people hear about it, the more they will understand.  Now we all are beginning to see that this is the defining moment, when the unthinkable is rejected because everybody acted like real Americans and reasoned together.

    The so-called, "Global War On Terror" IS Terrorism!

    by november3rd on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 08:13:44 AM PST

    •  "look who nominated him!" (none)
      Being nominated by the un-President makes you the un-Justice (or is that IN-Justice?)  Right?

      It's probably not in the Constitution, but I'm thinking "ROLLBACK" a lot lately.

      And I'm thinking the American people may be especially amenable to rolling back a lot of Bush's damage, whatever it takes...

      If a thousand men were not to pay their tax bills this year, that would not be a violent and bloody measure, as it would be to pay them, and enable the State...

      by HenryDavid on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 08:21:30 AM PST

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    •  If they hear about him (4.00)
      NBC Nightly News didn't even mention Alito last night.

      Our concerted efforts, a mass of tens of thousands, probably more than a hundred thousand, are united against him, and we are letting our party know that although the traditional media may gloss over Alito, we are most definitely not. And these are the reasons.

      This fight is getting more and more winnable every hour. This weekend let's burn all of the paper out of their fax machines with our message. And early Monday morning, it's back to the phones. Not with loud, angry yells--with steady, well-reasoned arguments backed by real passion. Let them know there are enough of us out here, ignored by the trad media, that we've got there back, that they can go to the mat on Alito.

      "Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about the things that matter." Dr. ML King, from a jail cell in Birmingham, Alabama in 1963.

      by bewert on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 08:25:51 AM PST

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  •  Bingo (4.00)
    Netroots, baby.  

    We the people.

    Call your Senators!

  •  Agree, Armando--well said. (n/t) (none)

    ...the White House will be adorned by a downright moron...H.L. Mencken

    by bibble on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 08:17:10 AM PST

  •  "We brave few..." (4.00)
    When is St. Crispin's Day, by the way?

    If a thousand men were not to pay their tax bills this year, that would not be a violent and bloody measure, as it would be to pay them, and enable the State...

    by HenryDavid on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 08:17:26 AM PST

    •  October 25th... (4.00)
      is St Crispin's day
      •  What is it? (none)

        If it talks like an R, VOTES like an R, it is an R - even if it has a D after its name.

        by dkmich on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 08:51:04 AM PST

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      •  Numbers vs. Spirit (4.00)
        WESTMORELAND. O that we now had here
            But one ten thousand of those men in England
            That do no work to-day!

        http://www.chronique.com/...

        KING. What's he that wishes so?
            My cousin Westmoreland? No, my fair cousin;
            If we are mark'd to die, we are enow
            To do our country loss; and if to live,
            The fewer men, the greater share of honour.
            God's will! I pray thee, wish not one man more.

        --[Are ye listening, John?  Edward?  Harry?  Methinks so!]--

        No, faith, my coz, wish not a man from England.
            God's peace! I would not lose so great an honour
            As one man more methinks would share from me
            For the best hope I have. O, do not wish one more!

        Rather proclaim it, Westmoreland, through my host,
            That he which hath no stomach to this fight,
            Let him depart; his passport shall be made,
            And crowns for convoy put into his purse;
            We would not die in that man's company
            That fears his fellowship to die with us.
            This day is call'd the feast of Crispian.
            He that outlives this day, and comes safe home,
            Will stand a tip-toe when this day is nam'd,
            And rouse him at the name of Crispian.
            He that shall live this day, and see old age,
            Will yearly on the vigil feast his neighbours,
            And say 'To-morrow is Saint Crispian.'
            Then will he strip his sleeve and show his scars,
            And say 'These wounds I had on Crispian's day.'

        This story shall the good man teach his son;
            And Crispin Crispian shall ne'er go by,
            From this day to the ending of the world,
            But we in it shall be remembered-
            We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
            For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
            Shall be my brother; be he ne'er so vile,
            This day shall gentle his condition;
            And gentlemen in England now-a-bed
            Shall think themselves accurs'd they were not here,
            And hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks
            That fought with us upon Saint Crispin's day.

        If a thousand men were not to pay their tax bills this year, that would not be a violent and bloody measure, as it would be to pay them, and enable the State...

        by HenryDavid on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 08:54:07 AM PST

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  •  We are in charge (4.00)
    For five years, we watched in horror as Dubya and his disastrous administration pushed this country over a clift. We wondered aloud what can we do and we waited for a Democratic leader to step up and LEAD.

    Well, to paraphrase the great, late civil rights activist Fannie Lou Hamer: I'm sick and tired of being sick and tired.

    It's past time we the people took charge of our destiny. Better late than never.

    -7.38, -5.23 One day we ALL will know the truth about the 2000 presidential election. God help us all.

    by CocoaLove on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 08:19:55 AM PST

    •  Would that be (none)
      'over an [Eleanor] clift[?]'  I'd like to push George over an Eleanor Clift.  Just have her get down on all 4s behind him and I get to push.

      The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people. - 9th Amendment

      by TracieLynn on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 10:08:18 AM PST

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  •  "We (4.00)
    shall fight on beaches, landing grounds, in fields, in streets and on the hills.  We shall never surrender..."
  •  You are changing the rules... (4.00)
    That turn of phrase strikes me as curious.

    wouldn't it be more appropriate for Armando to say
    "we are changing the rules"?

    For the last few months, and especially since KOS book ad had been up on front page, I've noticed ythat there is a implicit feeling that there are two types of bloggers...the elites , blogsite "owners", and their franchisees (as curmudgeaon puts it),  and "you" the blogging masses.  It's easiest to pick this up by analysing pronoun usage.

    I also notice that the way KOS writes recently is the same way that Obama wrote on that dreadful dairy he posted a couple months ago.  There this sense thet "we" the plebian bloggers are somehow always getting it wrong, even though our intentions are right.
    I think curmudgeaon has it exactly right.

    •  But it is honest (4.00)
      I'm not leading this fight, or for that matter, was I engaged in it "after the fall" on Thursday.

      I'm joining it.

      I'm a follower on this one.

      The community did it. Not me.

      The SCOTUS is extraordinary.

      by Armando on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 08:25:48 AM PST

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      •  Ok, if you aren't running for elected office - (none)
        you must be a spy.  Very cryptic.

        If it talks like an R, VOTES like an R, it is an R - even if it has a D after its name.

        by dkmich on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 08:32:09 AM PST

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      •  Armando - thank you for joining us!!! (4.00)

        Bush is NOT America!

        by annefrank on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 08:32:39 AM PST

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      •  I understand (4.00)
        but then you should have titled this "crossing our rubicon"

        The fact that you say "crossing your rubicon" suggests that you are implying (in connection to the other dairy) that it's not for us to tell Kos about his rubicon, but for us to contemplate "our" own (the plebian bloggers' rubicon)

      •  It was so many of us that realized we agreed (4.00)
        And kept supporting each other when being told over and over again that we could never win. Personally, that is what really pissed me off. Going down without a fight is a close second.

        And the action, the focused force, that followed that recognition, aided and abetted by the ongoing communication with each other, started to have an effect on our elected Senators. A little at first, then more and more. Someone's comment about calling Salazar, being put on hold, and then having his staffer say, happily, "You're calling to support the filibuster?" made me realize that. It's like the Dem Senators and their staff were listening to all the trad media, too, and thinking that Alito was already confirmed, even if they didn't like him. We gave them another voice to hear. A lot of us. Hell, it's hard to even get a call through right now.

        Armando has it right, this is a Rubicon, and we are crossing it en masse. And we've got to be ready when the trad media starts telling everyone that "those liberal bloggers are trying to get the Dems to commit suicide by filibustering!"  Because that's going to be the message Sunday and Monday.

        In preparation for that, I'm going to go do some research on Carl Schmitt and his theory of Führerprinzip. Another Kos diarist brought this up and it seems rather interesting. It may be good way to really show where Alito's concept of unitary executive leads, and the whiff of Nazi that goes with it should really stir things up.

        "Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about the things that matter." Dr. ML King, from a jail cell in Birmingham, Alabama in 1963.

        by bewert on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 08:46:42 AM PST

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        •  Better be prepared (none)
          to take on the media, too.   Going to have to defend the dems - how?   If everyone sounds like "rebel without a cause", they'll just use it against them.  Kennedy and Kerry must have thought about this along with the rest who agreed to do it - don't you think?

          If it talks like an R, VOTES like an R, it is an R - even if it has a D after its name.

          by dkmich on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 08:53:13 AM PST

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          •  The $64 question (4.00)
            We don't have access to the trad media. Our only way to communicate is with each other and directly to our elected officials, along with a LTE here and there.

            On the other side are people like Jan LaRue, chief counsel for Concerned Women for America, who do have access to the media. LaRue, who helped shoot down Miers and is a strong supporter of Alito, "...says, with a playful smirk, she would like to see the Supreme Court put Roe v. Wade through a paper shredder and then set it afire with a blowtorch."

            Maybe we have to provide them (our Senators and their staffs) with the arguments with which they can really reach through the noise and mobilize the rest of their base and those Americans who don't agree with Ms. LaRue.

            "Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about the things that matter." Dr. ML King, from a jail cell in Birmingham, Alabama in 1963.

            by bewert on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 09:01:24 AM PST

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        •  Damn (none)
          Never thought of Schmitt here, but you're absolutely right. That's the logical conclusion of the unitary executive idea.

          Look, in your research look for links between Schmitt and Strauss. If you find those -- I can't recall how those two got along -- you could nail it solid.

          •  A start (4.00)
            Especially one's that don't come from Lyndon LaRouche!

            From an interesting article in the Chronicle of Higher Education:

            To understand what is distinctive about today's Republican Party, you first need to know about an obscure and very conservative German political philosopher. His name, however, is not Leo Strauss, who has been widely cited as the intellectual guru of the Bush administration. It belongs, instead, to a lesser known, but in many ways more important, thinker named Carl Schmitt.

            Strauss and Schmitt were once close professionally; Schmitt supported Strauss's application for a Rockefeller Foundation fellowship to Paris in 1932, the same year in which Strauss published a review of Schmitt's most important book, "The Concept of the Political".

            There's more, and it's really interesting:

            Conservatives have absorbed Schmitt's conception of politics much more thoroughly than liberals. Ann H. Coulter, author of books with titles such as Treason: Liberal Treachery From the Cold War to the War on Terrorism and Slander: Liberal Lies About the American Right, regularly drops hints about how nice it would be if liberals were removed from the earth, like her 2003 speculation about a Democratic ticket that might include Al Gore and then-California Gov. Gray Davis. "Both were veterans, after a fashion, of Vietnam," she wrote, "which would make a Gore-Davis ticket the only compelling argument yet in favor of friendly fire." (Coulter recently displayed her vituperative talents by calling former Sen. Max Cleland, a triple amputee, politically "lucky" for having dropped a grenade on his foot while serving in Vietnam.) Liberals, by contrast, even in their newly discovered aggressively anti-Bush frame of mind, stop well short of Coulter's violent language. Interestingly enough, Schmitt had an explanation for why conservative talk-show hosts like Bill O'Reilly fight for their ideas with much more aggressive self-certainty than, say, a hopeless liberal like Alan Wolfe.

            Schmitt argued that liberals, properly speaking, can never be political. Liberals tend to be optimistic about human nature, whereas "all genuine political theories presuppose man to be evil." Liberals believe in the possibility of neutral rules that can mediate between conflicting positions, but to Schmitt there is no such neutrality, since any rule -- even an ostensibly fair one -- merely represents the victory of one political faction over another. (If that formulation sounds like Stanley Fish when he persistently argues that there is no such thing as principle, that only testifies to the ways in which Schmitt's ideas pervade the contemporary intellectual zeitgeist.) Liberals insist that there exists something called society independent of the state, but Schmitt believed that pluralism is an illusion because no real state would ever allow other forces, like the family or the church, to contest its power. Liberals, in a word, are uncomfortable around power, and, because they are, they criticize politics more than they engage in it.

            Maybe crossing our Rubicon also involves our taking the gloves off and picking up the baseball bat, even if we do so with distaste.

            Still, if Schmitt is right, conservatives win nearly all of their political battles with liberals because they are the only force in America that is truly political. From the 2000 presidential election to Congressional redistricting in Texas to the methods used to pass Medicare reform, conservatives like Tom DeLay and Karl Rove have indeed triumphed because they have left the impression that nothing will stop them. Liberals cannot do that. There is, for liberals, always something as important, if not more important, than victory, whether it be procedural integrity, historical precedent, or consequences for future generations.

            If all that sounds defeatist, at least for liberal causes, Schmitt, inadvertently, offered a reason for hope. Searching for examples of liberalism to dismiss, he happened upon Thomas Paine and the American founders. Here, in his view, were liberals typically afraid of power; indeed, he wrote with some astonishment, they naïvely tried to check and balance it through the separation of powers.
            <snip>
            To the degree that conservatives bring to this country something like Schmitt's friend-enemy distinction, they stand against not only liberals but America's historic liberal heritage. That may help them in the short run; conservative slash-and-burn rhetoric and no-holds-barred partisanship are so unusual in our moderately consensual political system that they have recently gotten far out of the sheer element of surprise, leaving the news media without a vocabulary for describing their ruthlessness and liberals without a strategy for stopping their designs. But the same extremist approach to politics could also harm them if a traditional American concern with checks and balances and limits on political power comes back into fashion.

            In the meantime, we are left with a fascinating example of the ways in which ideas fashioned at another time and place can anticipate events in this society at this moment. No wonder the 2004 election has aroused so much interest. We will, if Schmitt is any guide, be deciding not only who wins, but whether we will treat pluralism as good, disagreement as virtuous, politics as rule bound, fairness as possible, opposition as necessary, and government as limited.

            There's a message--Alito's concept of the unitary executive stands directly against the very document our great country was founded on, the Constitution of the United States. Simply put, Alito doesn't believe in the Constitution if he believes in the unitary executive.

            It's time to throw a few bombs of our own...

            "Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about the things that matter." Dr. ML King, from a jail cell in Birmingham, Alabama in 1963.

            by bewert on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 09:22:02 AM PST

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            •  I'm not sure Wolfe is the guy (none)
              to make the argument. That Chronicle piece you cite strikes me as pretty confused, starting off by attacking leftist intellectuals for their attraction to Schmitt, then praising conservatives for their successful implementation of his principles, and then finally declaring that the liberal tradition is the greatest system on earth. Yet the whole thing is undermined by Wolfe's barely hidden admiration for Schmitt's philosophy.

              Many years ago, when doing deep background research on Pinochet's constitution for Chile, I read a bit of Schmitt. I'm pretty sure the book was Political Romanticism, and I remember the translator's introduction was a very insightful analysis of Schmitt's biography and his political philosophy. One thing I took away from that reading was Schmitt's central role in developing the philosophical foundations for the Nazi constitution.

              Poking around just now, I find there is a 1978 translation of The Concept of the Political, and the interesting thing about that book is that it has "comments on Schmitt's essay by Leo Strauss." That's where I'd go if I were looking for links between Bushism and Nazi political philosophy. I'd probably also look at Nick Xenos's analysis of Strauss in the Spring 04 edition of Logos.

              •  Thanks for the input (none)
                If you have more ideas, please post them here. I think this subject deserves a diary of it's own this weekend, but right now I have to get moving, as I'm in the middle of moving to a new residence over the weekend.

                "Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about the things that matter." Dr. ML King, from a jail cell in Birmingham, Alabama in 1963.

                by bewert on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 10:18:33 AM PST

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            •  I've said similar before... (none)
              Schmitt argued that liberals, properly speaking, can never be political. Liberals tend to be optimistic about human nature, whereas "all genuine political theories presuppose man to be evil." Liberals believe in the possibility of neutral rules that can mediate between conflicting positions, but to Schmitt there is no such neutrality, since any rule -- even an ostensibly fair one -- merely represents the victory of one political faction over another.

              I've said similar before.  And I'll say it again... only fascism can deal with fascism.

              Until people realize that it's much more than Carl Schmitt, the neo-conservatives, and imperialism then they won't understand the political reality we live in today.

              The moral decay of America coincides nearly exactly with that of Germany 1933.  Torture with little outrage, or looked upon as merely "bad luck?"  Check.  Little concern with decaying civil rights, such as Patriot Act?  Check.

              It's not just a political movement, but a social one as well.

              And I think really soon now, our economic system is going to turn around.  Many of the people around Bush are honestly trying to attack the government itself.  And it seems nothing is stopping them, as we slide further into debt hitting our debt ceiling again in February.

              Clearly, we are heading towards totalitarianism this year.

              What's also interesting is Hitler's "big lie" technique.  Karl Rove has used this tactic before in a campaign long before Bush where he distributed flyers attacking his own party campaigner.  Thus, he created a backlash against the opponent and offered the opponent no easy way to explain the situation (i.e. how do you say "my opponent distributed flyers attacking themselves to make me look bad?").  No one would buy it.  Hence, the  "big lie."

      •  you got it (none)
        the filibuster exists. We are in that state, right now.    

        Let's roll.

        -8.0, -7.03 don't always believe what you think...

        by claude on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 09:07:38 AM PST

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      •  "after the fall" on Thursday?????? (none)
        I don't understand this.  What are you talking about?

        If it talks like an R, VOTES like an R, it is an R - even if it has a D after its name.

        by dkmich on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 09:57:43 AM PST

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    •  like when Bush said (none)
      "I'm mindful of YOUR civil liberties..."
      OUR Bill of Rights is entirely separate from HIS "rights" - and that's what we're fighting!

      Bush is NOT America!

      by annefrank on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 08:31:45 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  Chimpy sez: (none)
        ""I'm mindful of YOUR civil liberties..."

        ....when I go to Mexico, I'm "mindful" of diarrhea, and I suspect I feel the same way about diarrhea as Chimpy feels about "our civil liberties".

        Makes me feel weak, it's a major annoyance, and I can't wait for it to go away.

        May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.--Samuel Adams

        by roxtar on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 10:02:38 AM PST

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  •  Will we get to the other side? (4.00)
    The ambitions and goals are extremely important, and so is the work that gives them life.  Hope is right, but this is just the beginning, and we aren't where we'll be in a year's time, or two...

    If we fail this time, it will be extremely important to do at least these things:

    (a) try to understand why - how could we be stronger.

    (b) see it as merely the beginning, not the end of a lost war.

    Strategies to succeed have to include plans for setbacks.

    IMPEACH

    -5.75; -7.44

    by JPete on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 08:27:34 AM PST

  •  call me silly but... (4.00)
    I really don't like the Rubicon analogy.

    Remember, crossing the Rubicon is how Ceasar established military dictatorship in Rome.

    Why are there no dinosaurs in the Bible?

    by Leggy Starlitz on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 08:28:18 AM PST

  •  We've been waiting for... (4.00)
    ...and demanding this moment for 6 years now. Fitting, then, that the moment is of our own creation.

    Fight. Just fight, people. It's not that hard. And if you're worried, just realize this: politics is not war, meaning that there IS such a thing as value to fighting a losing battle.

    I'm not part of a redneck agenda - Green Day

    by eugene on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 08:32:05 AM PST

  •  Ask yourself what happens to Dems who don't fight: (none)
    Alito confirmation to hilt: Crossposted
  •  Given that .... (4.00)
    There should be no front page.  Right?  Follow the logic, Armando.  If it's about the whole community... and there are no leaders, then just make the front page show the recommended diaries.  And kos and you can just be one of the community.. not leaders, not followers, certainly respected and listened to... but, as you indicate, IN NO WAY leading this community.

    I don't think you can have a facade of 'leadership' and then not lead certain fights.

    It IS extremely relevant that you and kos actually get on the radio... and kos is written up in traditional news sources.

    Take democratic underground (if we really must...), Skinner isn't a full-time poster over there...not with a byline, that is.  Every now and again, some issue gets his goat and he posts. No one would reasonably expect to see a diaries asking Skinner to step forward to lead a charge.  Why is it that we do here? Because we are weaklings who just want a leader to do it all for us?  No. BECAUSE by virtue of the FRONT PAGE, you guys are leaders.  Your SILENCE is completely relevant and, I am afraid, with this filibuster issue, the ball has been dropped. And, yes, I think the credibility of Daily Kos has been undermined.  Not to mention that a book on the power of the netroots strikes me as moot... if it is Markos who is writing it.

    LetsFight. re handle: Fight the radical right is the sentiment!

    by letsfight on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 08:33:37 AM PST

    •  Exactly!! (4.00)

      Bush is NOT America!

      by annefrank on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 08:36:43 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  Completely agree with your analysis (4.00)
      The last place I would have expected for the emergence of nervous nellies, was from the "leadership" of dailyKOS.

      Even kos front page entry today is in a sense a "lets move on" message.

      If kos really were just a follower on this one he would have at least temporarily put a Filibuster front page dairy until Tuesday, to reflect the obvious wishes of this community.  

    •  Perfectly said. (none)
      Nothing to add.

      Carolina Blue -7.38, -7.28

      by Anglico on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 08:42:14 AM PST

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    •  Same goes (4.00)
      with the issue of electronic/paper-trail voting.  Little leadership here on that important issue.
    •  Was wondering about that as well (4.00)
      I remember during the peace demonstrations weekend, Kos not only was disinterested in leading, but was somewhat disdainful of our efforts. His recent diary on the Alito hearings had a deja vu-ish feeling for me, although I'm aware that in the anti-Alito movement, he IS supportive. What I'm curious about, is why the distance, the separation from his members? I don't agree or disagree, just would be interested in understanding.

      And having said that, also want to say how gratifying it is to have discovered and having become a member of this community, especially at significant points in history, as this is.

      (hope all that was coherent - NOT sleeping well with this going on)

  •  The nuclear option fails (4.00)
    Sometimes it nice to just unlesh the animal house in all of us and go for it even if we find we are rushing out there alone...

    Animal House
    written by Douglas Kenney, Chris Miller, & Harold Ramis

    D-Day (Bruce McGill): War's over, man. Wormer dropped the big one.
    Bluto: Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!
    Otter (Tim Matheson): [whispering] Germans?
    Boon (Peter Riegert): Forget it, he's rolling.
    Bluto: And it ain't over now. 'Cause when the goin' gets tough... [thinks hard] the tough get goin'! Who's with me? Let's go! [runs out, alone; then returns] What the fuck happened to the Delta I used to know? Where's the spirit? Where's the guts, huh? "Ooh, we're afraid to go with you Bluto, we might get in trouble." Well just kiss my ass from now on! Not me! I'm not gonna take this. Wormer, he's a dead man! Marmalard, dead! Niedermeyer -
    Otter: Dead! Bluto's right. Psychotic, but absolutely right. We gotta take these bastards. Now we could do it with conventional weapons that could take years and cost millions of lives. No, I think we have to go all out. I think that this situation absolutely requires a really futile and stupid gesture be done on somebody's part.
    Bluto: We're just the guys to do it.
    D-Day: Let's do it.
    Bluto: LET'S DO IT!!
    [Chaos ensues--for most of the rest of the movie]


  •  Don't follow leaders, watch the parking meters.. (none)
    ...You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows

    or

    If you don't like the news, go out and make some of your own

    and

    We are ALL Bozos on this bus

    feel free to contact for translations etc.

    "The pen is mightier than the sword, but only at a range of greater than five feet" Malaclypse the Younger

    by buhdydharma on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 08:38:41 AM PST

  •  All Aboard!!! Armondo is RIGHT! (none)
    This momentum is truely exciting and just beginning!  We're in a fightin' mood, and it's going to last for years.  We've suffered sooo mant defeats that we don't feel the pain anymore.  In the absesnse of pain, THERE IS NO FEAR!!
  •  Exactly!! (none)
    That's the beauty of it! Who needs "leaders" when we can lead ourselves!

    Solid work, Armando...I'm recommending...

    I don't know why the other one got recommended in the first place, but I think this should replace it on the Rec. list:)

    Thanks again, Armando, for all your hard work before, during, and after the hearings...I hope you're coming to Vegas because I want to buy you a drink!

  •  Good choice Rubicon (none)
    Ceasar too had trouble defining and conveying exactly what his leadership role was. Was he a horrible dictator or restorer of the Republic? Thrice he refused the crown, but he put his face on the coin while still living. He was coy about power. And his intentions were mixed.

    What would you attempt to do if you knew you could not fail? unknown

    by moon in the house of moe on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 08:47:13 AM PST

    •  Caesar? Coy about power? (none)
      Are your kidding?  Critognatus, a Celtic chieftain defending the Mandubian hill-fort of Alesia in 52 BCE, suggested that his people resort to cannibalism rather than surrendering to the Roman general who had laid siege to what had become the last Celtic stronghold in Gaul. Here's what Critognatus had to say about Caesar's difficulty in expressing his intentions:

      "The Romans, we know, have a very different purpose.  Envy is the motive that inspires them.  They know that we have won renown by our military strength, and so they mean to install themselves in our lands and our towns and fasten the yoke of slavery on us for ever.  That is how they have always treated conquered enemies.  You do not know much, perhaps, of the condition of distant peoples; but you need only look at that part of Gaul on your own borders that has been made into a Roman province, with new laws and institutions imposed upon it, ground beneath the conqueror's iron heel in perpetual servitude."

      The Celts decided to send out of the beseiged city 100,000 or so civilians.  They approached the inner wall of the Roman fortifications and implored Caesar to let them surrender themselves into slavery, as they were noncombant refugees - women, children, and the eldery, mostly.  Caesar himself, writing as usual in the third person, describes the scene:

      At the conclusion of the debate it was decided (by the Gauls) to send out of the town those who age or infirmity incapacitated for fighting.  Critognatus' proposal was to be adopted only as a last resort - if the reinforcements still failed to arrive and things got so bad that it was a choice between that and surrendering, or accepting dictated peace terms.  So the Mandubian population, who had received the other Gauls in their town, were compelled to leave it with their wives and children.  They came up to the Roman fortifications and with tears besought the soldiers to take them as slaves and relieve their hunger; but Caesar posted guards on the ramparts with orders to refuse them admission.

      both citations from The Conquest of Gaul by Julius Caesar (tr. S.A. Handford), Penguin Classics, London, 1982

      While Caesar was a lot of things - meglomanical bastard, diabolical genius, political animal of the highest order - his manipulation and use of power were anything but "mixed."

      Sorry about the longish post in a reply, but I feel strongly that while history can be a powerful weapon in a debate of the magnitude being dicussed in this thread, its value as an authority diminishes if its metaphors and analogies are used in a wanton manner.  
      Yes, the filibuster is a Rubicon.  Let's make sure we all understand what that means...and then let's swim the bastard and march on the walls of Rome.  

      You may fire when you are ready, Gridley

      by Unitary Moonbat on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 11:56:47 AM PST

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      •  talking about in Rome (none)
        in relation to the Senate. He had a dicator's power but was reluctant to cast himself as such. Augustus was too but by then the issue was more cosmetic.

        What would you attempt to do if you knew you could not fail? unknown

        by moon in the house of moe on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 12:23:03 PM PST

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        •  He was a master politician (none)
          until his own arrogance blinded him to the aristocratic dissent his methods bred. I think you're mistaking expediency and political guile for coyness.  Both of the guys you mention waged actual war on fellow Senators or triumvirs.  Caesar, in addition, understood how to play to the mob, while Augustus perfected the art of stifling dissent and mercilessly wearing his enemies down - see Tacitus' description of the funeral of Augustus:

          Members clamored that the body of Augustus should be carried to the pyre on the shoulders of senators.  Tiberius, with such condescending leniency, excused them.  He also published an edict requesting the populace not to repeat the disturbances - due to over-enthusiasm - at the funeral of Julius Caesar, by pressing for Augustus to be cremated in the Forum instead of the Field of Mars, his appointed place of rest.  On the day of the funeral the troops were out, apparently for protective purposes.  This caused much jeering from people who had witnessed, or heard from their parents, about the day (when the nation's enslavement was still rudimentary) of the ill-starred attempt to recover Republican freedom by murdering the dictator Caesar - a fearful crime?  Or a conspicuously glorious achievement?  Now, they said, this aged autocrat Augustus seems to need a military guard to ensure his undisturbed burial, in spite of his lengthy domination and the foresight with which his heirs, too, have been allocated resources for the suppression of the old order.

          The Annals of Imperial Rome, Publius Cornelius Tacitus (tr. Michael Grant), Penguin Classics, London, 1996.

          You may fire when you are ready, Gridley

          by Unitary Moonbat on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 12:45:51 PM PST

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          •  His coyness was (none)
            of course expediency and political guile. I suggest the same games are being played here by markos and friends. The best kind of power is given not taken. Thus the emphasis on 'it's not me, it's you.' They seek to define their power as given to them not taken by them.

            What would you attempt to do if you knew you could not fail? unknown

            by moon in the house of moe on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 01:01:24 PM PST

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  •  Armandos a bit like a highschool teacher on this (none)
    "I as a teacher cant make you learn, I can only guide you to learn yourself."

    "We the "leaders" at dailyKOS can't lead the fight, we can only help you to lead the fight yourselves"

    "it's nice to see how your really coming along with your learning..."

    "it's really nice to how you bloogers out there are are coming together as a fighting community...."

    •  ah....but the teacher is ALSO (none)
      part of that learning experience!

      Sometimes the teachers learn from the students...that's the beauty of the situation:)

      Also...what good does it do to create a 5 or 6 new leaders for the party each year...why not create 70,000 leaders for the party instead?!

      The more of US who take up the mantle of leader in our hometowns, among our friends and families...the more we get organized and the more we win...pretty smart strategy if you ask me:)

      •  AGreed (4.00)
        My last post was a bit of a cynicism.

        I don't see dailyKOS as a highschool with teachers and students.  I see it as well-designed and well-maintained (at least until recently) interface for adult liberal bloggers to communicate.

        I take what armando thinks with the same grain of salt that I take any other thinking adult's opinion, indeed with the same grain of salt I take my own opinions.

  •  Its a movement............ (none)

    The Dems have been sitting on the back of the bus for too long. I am encouraged that a few Dems have the courage to try and sit in the front. Maybe the Corporate Media likes to point out that the Dems belong in the back seats or a few Dems are conspiring to block the path towards the front, but damn it is time to do the right thing. This is a movement of the people to support our core democratic principles.
    •  Leverage? (none)
      How can we efficiently cross-post with other energized communities like DU to compound the impact of what is happening here?
    •  A movement -- paging Arlo ;) (4.00)
      if your in a situation like that there's only one thing you can do and that's walk into
      the shrink wherever you are ,just walk in say "Shrink, You can get
      anything you want, at Alice's restaurant.".  And walk out.  You know, if
      one person, just one person does it they may think he's really sick and
      they won't take him.  And if two people, two people do it, in harmony,
      they may think they're both faggots and they won't take either of them.
      And three people do it, three, can you imagine, three people walking in
      singin a bar of Alice's Restaurant and walking out. They may think it's an
      organization.  And can you, can you imagine fifty people a day,I said
      fifty people a day walking in singin a bar of Alice's Restaurant and
      walking out.  And friends they may thinks it's a movement.

      And that's what it is , the Alice's Restaurant Anti-Massacre Movement, and
      all you got to do to join is sing it the next time it come's around on the
      guitar.
      --Arlo Guthrie


      "You have to accept whatever comes and the only important thing is that you meet it with courage and with the best you have to give." -- Eleanor Roosevelt

      by marylrgn on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 09:14:02 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  Arlo put his money (4.00)
        where his mouth was. He's still leading, via the Guthrie Center.

        The degree to which you resist injustice is the degree to which you are free. -- Utah Phillips

        by Mnemosyne on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 09:25:31 AM PST

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      •  Ha! (none)
        Lets make sure we don't end up on the group ..."W".. bench! And that Alito doesn't end up on any bench!

        "The pen is mightier than the sword, but only at a range of greater than five feet" Malaclypse the Younger

        by buhdydharma on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 09:58:56 AM PST

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        •  That got a smile ... thanks (4.00)
          I often whistle and sing the Alice's Restaurant song after listening to the News Hour, thinking about how nice the "massacree" movement was, back in the day.  It seems long past time that we oldsters get out and put our collective shoulders to the wheels of change for the sake of our kids and grandkids - and it's not all that much different now than it was then.  Blogs and the internet make it quicker and easier (and more fun) to communicate with people all over and we're doing the right things when we call about stupid Chris Matthews, write and call and fax our senators - hell, all the senators.  The idea back then was to get us left-wingers all together on some things, just like now.  It happened before and I try to stay hopeful it will happen again.

          Think what you are doing today. -Fred Rogers

          by JanL on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 10:38:43 AM PST

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          •  We are! (none)
            It was the same creative spirit, which you describe, that inspire Jobs and Wa.o...the other guy. Now we have what we lacked then, worldwide freedom of communication. Remember when Johnson tried to ban drug lyrics? T Remember thirsting for the next album or statement, or ANY information on what was going on or what to do?That was to stop the spread of the culture/communication. No More.

            Our job now is to disseminate what we learned, especially our mistakes, to the young turks on the front lines. Not that we can't do THAT too.  We had very few advisors and models, and those were quickly assasinated or destroyed.

            Now we have experience, power, wealth, streetsmarts, AND worldwide communication to let our voices be heard and rally the hopeless AROUND the world and take the power away from the Elite %$$&%^$%@#$s who've been running the world for so long.

            Hey thats pretty good!

            "The pen is mightier than the sword, but only at a range of greater than five feet" Malaclypse the Younger

            by buhdydharma on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 11:07:30 AM PST

            [ Parent ]

          •  Hmmmm... (none)
            I've begun to think that everything I need to know I learned round about 1967.

            "You have to accept whatever comes and the only important thing is that you meet it with courage and with the best you have to give." -- Eleanor Roosevelt

            by marylrgn on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 05:52:55 PM PST

            [ Parent ]

      •  Arlo 30 years later... (none)
        ...
        And friends they may think it's a movement,
        and most of them would be too young to know what a movement is.
  •  we can't fucking frontpage filibuster diaries (none)
    see the problem?
  •  Missing the point (4.00)
    I understand what Armando is saying...

    I think the site "leaders" are missing the point a little...

    Like it or not, Markos has a book to promote and, given this issue, is probably owed some "face time" by the traditional media.  

    Crossing the Rubicon means... use the fame and celebrity (you think Tim Russert and Chris Matthews don't know who Markos is???) to fight the fight on Alito, with the entire Kos community behind you.

    If Kos went on Russert and Russert tried to manhandle him or distort his answers, the little firestorm with Chris Matthews would look like a rainshower compared to what we would do.  

    Crossing the rubicon means playing the other guys game effectively.

    Bush will be impeached.

    by jgkojak on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 08:52:24 AM PST

  •  fait accompli (4.00)
    (thing accomplished)

    The Rubicon has been crossed. The filibuster is hapenning now, and there will be no vote on Alito until the 'Thugs get 60 Senators to actually stand up and vote to cut off debate.

    Discussions about the merits of the filibuster are, for the moment, irrelevent and unproductive. We are in a state of filibuster right now, so what's relevent is discussing how to come to the aid of those Senators who came, listened and acted, the ones we told "We've got your back"

    So if you aren't helping in this fight, STFU, at least until after the cloture vote, when, I'm sure, we'll all benefit from the wisdom of your 20-20 hindsight.

    -8.0, -7.03 don't always believe what you think...

    by claude on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 08:53:30 AM PST

    •  Armando (none)
      I just want to be clear that I NOT talking to you with this comment. I applaude your recognition of what we have done.

      -8.0, -7.03 don't always believe what you think...

      by claude on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 08:56:53 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  focusing just on the filibuster is way too narrow. (none)
      That is why some people are asking about the bigger picture.  What is it?  If that isn't for Armando and markos to answers and it belongs to the community, then the community better get its shit together.  

      If it talks like an R, VOTES like an R, it is an R - even if it has a D after its name.

      by dkmich on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 08:59:05 AM PST

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  •  Risks (none)
    Frame: "Alito = Imperial Presidency"

    Fight now or forever hold your peace.  If the repukelicans get rid of the judicial filibuster it will come back to bite them just like the independent counsel act haunted the dems.

    -5.50, -5.69   I'm Gandhi who happens to own a Machine Gun !!

    by Stink Tank on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 08:54:52 AM PST

  •  100% Agreed (none)
    and each individual has their own way of expressing and advocating how we should go about it which is democracy in action.

    If only others would quit sniping at them and down-rating them for what they want to say and do just because it doesn't match their way of doing things. That's not democracy, that's abuse.

  •  This is anarchy theory transposed to the net (none)
    Abdication of leadership and reliance on the masses.

    Have you checked out Germany 1919, Spain 1936, France 1968... all gigantic losses.... had the same "strategy".

    Computer use leads to sloppy thinking. Go back to the history and political theory books, because you are right, you are not ready to lead.

    "...in this abject posture have ye sworn / To adore the Conquerour?..../ Awake, arise, or be for ever fall'n."

    by Valtin on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 08:55:48 AM PST

    •  Start with (none)
      The American Revolution.  Back then, folks got tired of following their leaders, too.
    •  Consider analogue with Bush's policies (none)
      Bush's formalistic reliance on "democracy" has led to takeover of societies by religious fundamentalism, latest now is Hamas in Palestine, without consideration that leadership is a factor.

      This is democracy as shibboleth.

      "...in this abject posture have ye sworn / To adore the Conquerour?..../ Awake, arise, or be for ever fall'n."

      by Valtin on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 10:15:50 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  About this rubicon thing... (none)

    It's Your Baby, You Rock It by Elvis Presley
    (words & music by Shiri Milete - Nora Fowler)

    You offered me a penny for my thoughts
    And I told you then that woman won't stay caught
    But you turned and loved her anyway
    She broke your heart and all I've got to say

    It's your baby, you rock it
    It's your heartache, you bought it
    You made the bed your sleeping in
    And I'm tired of hearing about it friend
    It's your baby you, rock it

    Well you cried upon my shoulder like a baby
    I'm sorry 'bout your troubles and your lady
    But she done you like she done me
    And I've used up all my sympathy
    It's your baby you, rock it

    It's your baby, you rock it
    It's your heartache, you bought it
    You made the bed your sleeping in
    And I'm tired of hearing about it friend
    It's your baby you, rock it

    Bush will be impeached.

    by jgkojak on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 08:56:40 AM PST

  •  Agreed, but (none)
    let's wait until after the fight to pat ourselves on the back. :)
  •  Good point (4.00)
    And we won't lose this fight.

    Because it's practice and determination and persistence that build strength.

    And even if the jerk does get to the Supreme Court, that's the moment we start thinking about how to turn our lemons into lemonade.

  •  Okay first of all... (4.00)
    ...you guys have GOT to stop expanding my horizons.  I have never heard of a rubicon (I thought it was a bizzare shape or something not some river in Italy) much less understood what it meant to cross it.

    Stop it now I mean it!  You're making me learn stuff! ;)

    I can't wait til they start making us wear armbands.

    by DawnG on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 08:59:58 AM PST

  •  We still need leaders. (4.00)
    This concept of "We're-ALL-leaders!", while rousing and inspirational in concept, is usually less successful in practice (i.e. real life).

    The best example I can think of that is relevant to many folks here is the Dean Meet-up situation and, consequently, the Dean volunteer situation in Iowa before the caucus.

    During the meet-up period, there were loads of committed people eager to help without so much as a scintilla of direction on what, exactly, these huge numbers of committed people should be doing from Trippi, et. al.

    So many Meet-up groups spent hours writing letters to Iowa and New Hampshire voters.

    Okay, great.

    Then, thousands of Dean supporters descended on Iowa.  There was not a whit of training and only limited organization on behalf of the Dean campaign.  The result was that we ended up pissing off as many voters as we converted.  It was chaotic.

    So Trippi and company succeeded in getting an army, but the Dean braintrust didn't know what to do with the army once he had assembled it.

    To be successful, groups need leadership, just like successful teams need a good head coach and coaching staff.

    I'd hate to see kos squander the power that he has here.  He has always been a reluctant leader and some have complained about that.  (On the other hand, that's also the real beauty of the place.  Everyone gets to be a strategist/pundit/consultant.)

    A movement needs leaders who can garner public attention through media sources and spread the message.  Martin Luther King Jr. was a leader/  Without him, who knows how the causes he espoused would have fared?

    kos probably doesn't want to be a leader.  But this movement still needs one.

    Visit Satiric Mutt -- my contribution to the written cholesterol now clogging the arteries of the Internet.

    by Bob Johnson on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 09:03:36 AM PST

  •  Inspired by Kos-Another Soldier-Virgin Activist (4.00)
    Reading this blog, seeing the passion, and seeing at least two Senators paying attention!

    Yes, I admit, I've been one of the lazy liberals. (Easy to do in San Francisco.) I felt the national cause was hopeless after the last election.

    Bush Inc. scares me to no end. Reading Kos for the past few months inspired me to join in TAKING ACTION. It inspired many "firsts:" first letters to elected officials (maybe it moved Feinstein in the filibuster?) first asking others to do the same.  It has also inspired me to sign more petitions and participate in polls. And even more amazing, first time joining in on a blog.

    We must find a united voice to fight back and everything that happens in this community is important.  It encourages people to take action!!

    •  I know what you mean... (none)
      I was inspired by this place two years ago.  I was already writing letters, etc., but my pace picked up due to this site and the 04 elections.  I, too, looked for a united voice and found it here occasionally.  It does feel good to do something, and it feels ever better when you accomplish something.

      If it talks like an R, VOTES like an R, it is an R - even if it has a D after its name.

      by dkmich on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 09:36:40 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  I'm fortunate to live here, acceptance is part (4.00)
        of our daily life, but at times it feels like "preaching to the chior."  Now, my political conversations include an introductionn to Kos.

        I do think there is power here and that it will become more organized and forceful as more people join in.

        Is Newsome single yet?

        by CastroSFca on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 09:56:11 AM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  Welcome! (4.00)
          checking your uid# you are new to posting here, as a fellow 70,000er, and native SFian welcome to the Freshman Class. Thanks for standing up!

          "The pen is mightier than the sword, but only at a range of greater than five feet" Malaclypse the Younger

          by buhdydharma on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 10:06:31 AM PST

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  •  Power to the people! (none)
    But let's not become the anti-war movement...a million different messages taking away from the one that matters now.
  •  Remember this fight. (4.00)
    Win or lose, remember this weekend.  We don't know what Mon-Tue will bring, but it's going to be a great ride getting there.  Remember everything.  Read everything.  Talk to everyone.  This weekend could become a pivotal moment for this party, the blogsphere and the country!

    This. THIS.  This...this thing!  Whatever it is, it's a beautiful sight to behold.

    Remember wanting to change the world?  Well people, it's happening right now!!!

    <Insert battlecry of choice here>

  •  The beauty of a popular movement (4.00)
    Is that shutting done one servant -- or server in our instance -- can possibly quash it.

    We so metaphysically rock. :)

    The Republicrime Party is coming for your money and your life.

    by cskendrick on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 09:19:41 AM PST

  •  Tomorrow on Meet the Press (none)
    Russert has Frist - and then Broder, O'Donnell, Simon, and York. Lots of Dem smears assured.
    Tell him what questions to ask. ;>

     

    Bush is NOT America!

    by annefrank on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 09:24:10 AM PST

  •  Oh.. (4.00)
    so this is like one of those "Dead Poets Society" moments?

    Carpe diem!

    "...I have reauthorized this program more than 30 times since the September the 11th attacks" - George W. Bush, 12-17-05

    by Pescadero Bill on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 09:24:27 AM PST

  •  Armando,...... (none)
    .... you summed it up perfectly.
  •  Love this (4.00)
    Very well said!

    "The work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives and the dreams shall never die." - Senator Edward M. Kennedy

    by Crystal Patterson on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 09:26:36 AM PST

  •  The kinder gentler Armando? (4.00)
    I like it!  And I agree completely.....

    "Victory means exit strategy, and it's important for the President to explain to us what the exit strategy is." -Governor George W Bush (R-TX)

    by espresso on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 09:29:20 AM PST

  •  Put Filibuster Back on the Front Page (4.00)
    That's all we are saying (most of us, at least), Armando. If you're "one of us" you can do that, right?

    We're not ready to "just move on."

    You guys started this. Where are you now that we're down to the wire?

    Put this issue squarely on the front page for all to see and keep pounding on them along with the rest of us.

    That's not a lot to ask considering what's at stake.

  •  Armando, one one hand I agree -- (4.00)
    we are not kingmakers here.  Rather, we are groundswellers, like hyacinth bulbs in Frankenoid's garden blog on a warm Saturday morning -- a force unto ourselves, coming to life and pushing up and breaking through the crusted topsoil.

    We don't need help with that.  It's natural and unstoppable.

    However, members like you and Markos and others who have access to TV and radio should be exploiting that access for all it is worth.  This does not force the mantle of "Leader" onto you, nor does it abrogate members' individual responsibilities and hand them over to one figurehead.  It just gives us a chance to open a crack in the mainstream American consciousness.

    I'm not electing you Emperor by saying I trust you to speak on my behalf.  And when I say I trust you to speak on my behalf, I don't even always agree with you.  But I trust you as a representative of the quality of this community, and I want you out there saying SOMETHING about what is going on here at DailyKos, for the benefit of those who may not know we exist yet, who may not know there's a home here for them to join, who may not know that there's an alternative dialogue to the one they hear endlessly from the traditional media.

    John Kerry is my leader at the moment.  Neither you nor Markos need to worry about supplanting him in my mind.  ;)  But you have access to the media, something 99% of us here don't.  Please do everything you can with it.

    I am asking you to be my spokesperson, not my leader.  You know, kind of like Scott McLellan, only not as disgustingly full of shit.

    •  Here's the sort of thing I mean. (4.00)
      So Markos has a post up on the front page, like so:

      "The bloggers and online donors represent an important resource for the party, but they are not representative of the majority you need to win elections," said Steve Elmendorf, a Democratic lobbyist who advised Kerry's 2004 presidential campaign. "The trick will be to harness their energy and their money without looking like you are a captive of the activist left."

      Now, I'd laugh my ass off at this sorry little Elmendorf idiot, if only it weren't so bloody damaging to us that he's out there!

      So some obvious, habitual PRACTISING LOSER is out there in the press giving out impressions of the netroots.  Telling anyone who'll listen that the netroots are basically commies who don't deserve mainstream attention and support.

      This totally unqualified hack LOSER, who personnally helped to scupper a great man's presidential campaign, is using the platform available to him to decry us!

      Little Stevie Elmendorf, who plainly doesn't know his arse from his elbow, is grabbing any microphone he can find and pitching his failing brand of centrist capitulation, and simultaneously talking about USING us netroots for our pocketbooks and our passion, only to finance and support the very candidates who are killing our party!

      What are you going to DO about it??

  •  We are forgetting Ruth Bader Ginsberg (4.00)
    We are too narrow in our approach.

    We have to give her some ammo to fight these ideologues.

    Let's presume that the SCOTUS is extraordinary.

    If we fight the Alito ascension, will it make a difference to her arguments if she can look in the face of Thomas, Scalia, and Roberts and use the public opinion force that can be unleashed to give some force to her logic?

    Remembering that cloture voting gives the Dems such as Byrd an out ("I'm busy in W. Va., call me when the nomination comes up"), at least a slow-down in the confirmation process gives her and Souter some feedback.

    C-SPAN re-ran her hearings in front of the Judiciary Committee, and she was extra ordinary. What guts. We have to stick up for her ideas.

    She put her ideals on the line, and continues to do it every day.

    We can't back a fillibuster for one?

    Do you have a child? Will you send her to the war?... anon

    by andreww on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 09:36:03 AM PST

  •  It *is* a great thing.... (4.00)
    Something which has been brewing for years has clearly gelled in the last two weeks. It's obvious to everyone with a pulse.

    That is, fight.

    On this, on that, and on every single gawdamned thing.

    Don't give an inch. Not one single lousy inch.

    These Senators were voted into office not because of some strategery spewed forth from the likes of a democrat lobbyist who disdain the people he professes to support, but instead because of the morals, the ideals and the values that WE entrusted them to uphold.

    Equivocation fails.

    I too have been puzzled by Koz's and Armando's recent posts. Both of those hit at the same funny place in my gut as when I watched Kerry waffle on Iraq that morning in Arizona. Immediately I felt that something was wrong.

    We expect our leaders to go all-in for blocking Alito's appointment, so we should at least have the courage to do what we're asking them to do.

    The time for hedging one's bets is, I think, over. Because I don't think we've ever been witness to a government anything like this. And in order to prevail, everyone must enter the fight with the full knowledge and indeed the complete acceptance of the fact that they may lose, and lose soundly. That's not the point.

    The point is for the politicians fight hard for those values upon which they were elected into office for. Republicans certainly have no problem understanding that.

    Strategy should mean nothing to us. Because if politicians employ it to remain safe from getting defeated, and in so doing NOT stand up for their constituents, then what worth is that? Utterly meaningless. Tantamount to re-elected ghosts.

    And here it comes to a head.

    If Alito isn't that fight, then somebody please explain to me what it is, and where will they finally put their foot down, because I'm at a loss.

  •  I came home from work Thursday evening (none)
    and went straight to the computer---> straight to DKOS---->straight to the phone and dialed the Capitol and asked for Sarbanes and Mikulski and then put in my request that they support John Kerry's decision to Filibuster.

     Calling my reps in congress has been part of my daily curriculum. Being a vocal opponent to Bush involves more than just griping. It involves hours a day of self informing through sites just like this.

    This site is invaluable as is DemocraticUnderground, where literally tens of thousands of people who are looking to BE THE DIFFERENCE ON BEHALF OF THOSE WHO WOULD DO THE SAME IF THEY KNEW WHAT WE KNOW.

    It is up to us. Period.

    "I did NOT have sex with that lobbyist!"

    by donailin on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 09:39:44 AM PST

  •  Thanks for the note. (none)
    I like the way you put the observation.

    Never, never brave me, nor my fury tempt:
      Downy wings, but wroth they beat;
    Tempest even in reason's seat.

    by GreyHawk on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 09:46:36 AM PST

  •  On a possible filibuster... (none)
    Merriam-Webster Online

    futile

    One entry found for futile.

    Main Entry: fu·tile  
    Pronunciation: 'fyü-t&l, 'fyü-"tIl
    Function: adjective
    Etymology: Middle French or Latin; Middle French, from Latin futilis brittle, pointless, probably from fu- (akin to fundere to pour) -- more at FOUND
    1 : serving no useful purpose : completely ineffective <efforts to convince him were futile>
    2 : occupied with trifles : FRIVOLOUS

    •  Wayne Morse (none)
      He was a great filibusterer and he was not futile nor was he frivolous.  Poo on you!

      The shrub needs to be pulled he is terrifying

      by libbie on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 09:54:12 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  Hey now... (none)
        I'm a Byrd Constituent. I know futility when I see it.
        •  Yell at Byrd (none)
          FAX him, e-mail him, send letters and e-mail.  You will be surprised at the response if you get enough folks to do this.  Byrd is not a stone, he will listen if enough folks take the time to reach him.

          The shrub needs to be pulled he is terrifying

          by libbie on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 10:01:10 AM PST

          [ Parent ]

          •  What do you think I've been doing??? (none)
            What do you think I've been doing for the last three days?
            •  More (none)
              Good on you!  Get others to follow your lead, relatives, friends, letters to the editor, etc.  

              The shrub needs to be pulled he is terrifying

              by libbie on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 10:10:06 AM PST

              [ Parent ]

              •  Letters to the editor? (none)
                LOL... you must not be familiar with the print media monopoly here in West Virginia. I personally know the publisher and his lunatic wife; Republican rags --- all of them. The editor, whom I also know personally, once wrote an editorial saying that gay marriage should be opposed to "ensure a next generation of workers for the US economy." The Fascists at HC Ogden Publishing, Inc. DON'T print letters contrary to their position.
                •  Oregon has a Repug rag also (none)
                  The Oregonian is the only paper in the Portland area.  Usually they espouse David Brooks and other idiots that shouldn' be allowed to print, but once in awhile a liberal breaks through, like David Sarasohn.  If enough people refuse to buy or support the paper they end up wiffing.  It's a hard job but it works.

                  The shrub needs to be pulled he is terrifying

                  by libbie on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 10:27:26 AM PST

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                  •  I mean... (none)
                    Their subscription sales have fallen dramatically over the last 7 years since they have had only one editor instead of two. When I was a little younger, they always had one conservative editor, one liberal editor. No more --- now it is a reprint of every fanatical, fantastical Bu$h policy you can think of. Worthless... and that's why I slander the editor daily on their website. Remember, this editor is someone I've known for a very long time, including his wife and children. I've been unusually harsh with him, but he's a declared Fascist; so, how else should I act?
  •  Also... (4.00)
    supporting Air America, Randi Rhoades, Ed Schultz, Al Franken, Mother Jones, etc.  Let "liberal" become the revolutionary word for pride in our country and conviction and belief in our constitution.  Or if you prefer call it "Progressive."  I don't care as long as your message is "enough."  Call, write, e-mail and let them know that if they are Dems, they need to support the filibuster and voting no on Alito.  Let them know that if they oppose the will of the people, that you will find challengers to defeat them in their next primary.  That you will support and finance their defeat.  If your senator is a republican tell them that should they pull the nuclear option stunt, you will be outraged and also work to have them defeated in their next primary or election.  Hold these Senators feet to the fire.  It is time.  I am sick of the Sessions, Grahams, Spectors, and smug assholes that feel they have all the power.  And all you West Virginians you need to yell at Byrd.  Nelson needs to be yelled at also and every other Dem that is wiffing.

    The shrub needs to be pulled he is terrifying

    by libbie on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 09:51:33 AM PST

  •  MLK didn't expect people to lead themselves (4.00)
    The biggest problem for the left is that noone wants to lead it.  I don't mean periodically represent it, I mean lead it-- day after day.

    MLK was not a perfect man, but he never wavered in the courage to voice and represent his convictions.  He knew someone needed to be the lightning rod and flak-catcher.  In theory, anyone can with some brains and conviction can be an MLK, but in reality almost noone can take the heat every single day and never back down.

    If you want a tactical reason to oppose Alito, lets talk about branding.  Republican Lite would never filibuster Alito.  Filibustering Alito establishes a difference between the parties and enhances the Democratic brand.  Every time they whine about your filibuster, hit Alito.  If you block him you win, if you don't you've established that whatever awful decisions are made are 100% the fault of Republicans, and if you don't like it, vote Democratic!  Americans need choice, not false consensus.

  •  THIS is leadership! Note #4. (4.00)
    In my inbox this morning:

    WE CAN STOP ALITO THIS WEEKEND

    http://www.democrats.com/...

    The last two days have been amazing.

    Early Thursday afternoon, we broke the news that Senator John Kerry would lead a filibuster against Judge Sam Alito if he could get 41 Senators to sustain the filibuster. Three hours later, CNN confirmed our story.

    Naturally, the White House freaked out and told Senator Bill Frist to schedule a cloture vote as quickly as possible - Monday at 4:30 p.m. - to prevent Democrats from uniting behind Kerry.

    Then the White House called its media whores at the NY Times (David Kirkpatrick), AP (Jesse Holland), Pentagon Post (Charles Babington), CNN (Miles O'Brien), and MSNBC (Chris Matthews) and told them to trash John Kerry for daring to challenge the will of Emperor Bush, and to repeat over and over that Democrats did not have enough votes to stop Alito.

    But even as Karl Rove was doing his dirty work, progressive activists like you were calling your Senators urging them to support John Kerry's filibuster.

    And one by one, Democratic Senators began to turn around.

    http://democrats.com/...

    At the start of the day, only Dick Durbin and Debbie Stabenow supported Kerry and Kennedy. Just before noon, Hillary Clinton's office called to say she supported us. Then Harry Reid came on board, along with Barbara Boxer, Russ Feingold, Ron Wyden, Chris Dodd, and (I think) Chuck Schumer.

    Most importantly, we even picked up Dianne Feinstein, who just yesterday said she opposed a filibuster.

    That's 12 votes for a filibuster - and exactly 12 more votes than we had two days ago!

    I believe we really can stop Alito by Monday at 4:30 p.m. - but here's what we must do.

    1. Ignore the media whores. Karl Rove is feeding them lies as he always does, and they are swallowing those lies as they always do. The only media that matters is the media we are creating right here by calling each Senator and getting a YES or NO statement from them.

    2. Keep calling the Senators who are undecided or opposed to a filibuster. You can call their DC office all weekend and leave polite but firm voicemails urging the Senators to support Kerry's filibuster. When offices open on Monday 9 a.m. ET, make another round of calls. Let's shut down the Capitol switchboard on Monday!

    http://democrats.com/...

    1. Call the DNC (202-863-8000) and the DSCC (202-224-2447) and tell them your 2006 contributions will depend on the success of the Alito filibuster. Tell them they need to get every Democratic Senator on board.

    2. Wake up the sleeping bloggers. Where are the biggest blogs, including DailyKos.com, TalkingPointsMemo.com, CrooksandLiars.com, and AmericaBlog.com? (Complaining about how Democrats played last week won't cut it -we're in the Super Bowl and we can win this damn game if we get Democrats to play their best game on Monday - and hopefully the rest of this coming week.) Thanks to Agonist, BobGeiger, BradBlog, BuzzFlash, CultureKitchen, The Democratic Daily, DemocraticUnderground, Eschaton, Firedoglake, Mahablog, MakeThemAccountable, Mark Crispin Miller, NewsDissector, PoliticalWire, RudePundit, Vichy Democrats and everyone else who's plugging this.

    3. Lend a hand to real-world groups like NOW, People for the American Way, Feminist Majority, Backbone Campaign, Moveon, Planned Parenthood, Progressive Democrats of America, and Working Assets Long Distance, which have worked tirelessly for two months to Stop Alito.

    4. Call talk shows like Air America, C-SPAN, etc. and talk about what we're doing on this blog and how we're killing ourselves to stop Alito - and how we can win if everyone who cares about the future of our Democracy joins us.

    5. Keep hope alive - because American Democracy is worth it!!!

    http://democrats.com/...

    Bob Fertik

    •  And... (none)
      NOW, Progressives for America, Planned Parenthood, and any others you can think of as all of these organizations oppose Alito for their own reasons.

      The shrub needs to be pulled he is terrifying

      by libbie on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 10:06:56 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  Good response, Armando. You have restored my faith (4.00)
    in you again. Someway down in me I knew you are not quitter. Yes, a movement has been born and we are going to make a difference. There's no stopping us this time. I believe from what I have seen in the past few days that this community shall determine the Democratic nominee in 2008.  Amen
    •  Group Action! (none)
      I love it!  Go down fighting if necessary.  Kerry has the lead.  He has the conviction not the media smear of politics.  That is all the rethugs know, smear, slime, vilify, divert.  You know when you've gotten to them when the media starts it's smear campaign.  Fear is a big part of the media.  I believe that there are some good reporters out there that they are cowed by the corporate interests in their program or publication. They get slapped every time they go off page by the Repugs.  The power of the Bushco is pervasive and abhorrent.  Then there are the "owned and operated" by the Bushco reporters like O'Reilly and Matthews.  Rove must have stock in them and also did anyone ever find out who gave alito all that oil stock?

      The shrub needs to be pulled he is terrifying

      by libbie on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 10:19:18 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  Is this appropriate for today (4.00)
    No man thinks more highly than I do of the patriotism, as well as abilities, of the very worthy gentlemen who have just addressed the house.

    But different men often see the same subject in different lights; and, therefore, I hope it will not be thought disrespectful to those gentlemen, if entertaining, as I do, opinions of a character very opposite to theirs, I shall speak forth my sentiments freely, and without reserve.

    This is no time for ceremony. The question before the house is one of awful moment to this country. For my own part, I consider it as nothing less than a question of freedom or slavery. And in proportion to the magnitude of the subject, ought to be the freedom of debate. It is only in this way that we can hope to arrive at truth and fulfill the great responsibility which we hold to God and our country.

    Should I keep back my opinions at such a time, through fear of giving offense, I should consider myself guilty of treason toward my country, and of an act of disloyalty toward the majesty of Heaven, which I revere above all earthly kings.

    -Patrick Henry

  •  More Patrick Henry: (4.00)
    Let us not deceive ourselves, sir. These are the implements of war and subjugation--the last arguments to which kings resort. I ask gentlemen, sir, what means this martial array, if its purpose be not to force us to submission? Can gentlemen assign any other possible motive for it? Has Great Britain any enemy in this quarter of the world to call for all this accumulation of navies and armies? No, sir, she has none. They are meant for us: they can be meant for no other. They are sent over to bind and rivet upon us those chains which the British ministry have been so long forging. And what have we to oppose to them? Shall we try argument? Sir, we have been trying that for the last ten years. Have we anything new to offer upon the subject? Nothing. We have held the subject up in every light of which it is capable; but it has been all in vain. Shall we resort to entreaty and humble supplication? what terms shall we find which have not been already exhausted? Let us not, I beseech you, sir, deceive ourselves longer.

    Sir, we have done everything that could be done to avert the storm which is now coming on. We have petitioned--we have remonstrated--we have supplicated--we have prostrated ourselves before the throne, and have implored its interposition to arrest the tyrannical hands of the ministry and Parliament. Our petitions have been slighted; our remonstrances have produced additional violence and insult; our supplications have been disregarded; and we have spurned, with contempt, from the foot of the throne. In vain, after these things, may we indulge the fond hope of peace and reconciliation. There is no longer any room for hope. If we wish to be free--if we mean to preserve inviolate those inestimable privileges for which we have been so long contending--if we mean not basely to abandon the noble struggle in which have been so long engaged, and which we have pledged ourselves never to abandon until the glorious object of our contest shall be obtained--we must fight! I repeat it, sir, we must fight! An appeal to arms and to the God of Hosts is all that is left us!

  •  So Proud of You (none)
    Continu, mes amis.

    What will survive of us is love

    by howth of murph on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 10:26:28 AM PST

  •  And, in summation: (4.00)
    They tell us sir, that we are weak--unable to cope with so formidable an adversary. But when shall we be stronger? Will it be the next week, or the next year? Will it be when we are totally disarmed, and when a British guard shall be stationed in every house? Shall we gather strength by irresolution and inaction? Shall we acquire the means of effectual resistance by lying supinely on our backs, and hugging the delusive phantom of Hope, until our enemies shall have bound us hand and foot? Sir, we are not weak, if we make a proper use of those means which the God of nature hath placed in our power. Three millions of people, armed in the holy cause of liberty, and in such a country as that which we possess, are invincible by any force which our enemy can send against us. Besides, sir, we shall not fight our battles alone. There is a just God who presides over the destinies of nations, and who will raise up friends to fight our battles for us. The battle, sir, is not to the strong alone; it is to the vigilant, the active, the brave. Besides, sir, we have no election. If we were based enough to desire it, it is now too late to retire from the contest. There is not retreat, but in submission and slavery! The war is inevitable--and let it come! I repeat it, sir, let it come!

    -Patrick Henry
    March 23, 1775

  •  This diary itself is leadership (none)
    This is excellent.  This is the type of leadership this blog already has.  I'm not listening nay-sayers.

    In God we trust. All others must pay cash.

    by yet another liberal on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 11:20:48 AM PST

  •  Not sure I like the Rubicon analogy (none)
    Although "Crossing the Rubicon" has come to mean passing the point of no return in committing oneself wholly to a radical cause, as others have pointed out, the actual phrase refers to Caesar's irrevocable step towards becoming emperor, leading to his assassination, civil war, the permanentn destruction of the republic, and the Roman Empire. I'm not sure if this is the right model for this particular struggle. Just because this happened 2000 years ago doesn't make this any less pertinent.

    As for modelling ourselves on the ancient Gauls, well, they were certainly honorable and courageous, but they ultimately lost (as did another  honorable and courageous ancient people of which I know a thing or two about, the Judeans), so I'm also not sure if they're the best model, either, even though they're clearly worthy of our admiration and even emulation.

    I like the 1776 and Patrick Henry analogy the best. It IS, after all, the most historically appropriate model, given that we're just trying to preserve--some might even say restore--the kind of liberty that they were fighting for, and which we've enjoyed, preserved and expanded since then. The present King George is very similar to their King George--a mad tyrant assuming unearned and UNWARRANTED powers in exploiting his subjects to benefit his own selfish and narrow ends.

    I suppose that I'm nitpicking about titles and terms here, and agree that these are not the most essential points to quibble over. But I think that if we're going to model ourselves after historical events, either explicitely or implicitely, we be careful about which ones we choose.

    Now onto Lexington and Concord!

    "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has." Margaret Mead

    by kovie on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 11:55:43 AM PST

    •  How about Crossing the Delaware? (none)
      Instead of Crossing the Rubicon, which as I've argued above unwisely invokes the moment at which Rome was irrevocably put on its path from Republic to Empire (and which ultimately led to Caesar's assassination), how about calling this our Crossing the Delaware moment?

      This is, I think, far more appropriate for several reasons.

      First, until that decisive crossing, the war had largely been a failure for the colonal army, which had been constantly on the run and simply trying to survive, suffering many terrible defeats. By crossing the Delaware River, Washington turn the tide of the war by going on the attack and taking the war to the British. It was a bold and risky move that ended up paying off in droves, because it led to the first serious victories for the colonia army. It literally transformed the direction the war had taken until then, in a way that ultimately culminated in our victory over the British several years later at Yorktown.

      And secondly, I think that this is especially symbolic given that the very first battles following the crossing of the Delaware were the battles of Trenton and Princeton, which were victories for our side. Given that Alito--the man this filibuster effort is meant to defeat--was born in Trenton and went to Princeton (where he now famously found the students to be behaving irresponsibly and joined the racist and sexist Concerned Alumni for Princeton), I think that the symbolism is very apropos.

      Furthermore, I think most if not all would agree with me that George Washington (who went on to become our first and only truly great president George) makes a far better and more suitable historical role model for this "turning the tide" moment than that tyrant Caesar. And I think we'd all prefer to see ourselves as a ragtag but determined band of political militiamen fighting for not only a cause we believe in but our survival as free citizens, than as brutal and overbearing Roman Legionaires out to destroy a Republic and conquer a vast empire (to whom it would be far more appropriate to compare the GOP and its legions of freedom-hating and intolerant right-wing fanatics).

      Plus--and I'll admit that this is a stretch--Washington embarked upon this crossing from the Pennsylvania side of the Delaware, the state that "pro-choice" turncoat Arlen Specter hails from, and crossed over into New Jersey, a state with 2 Democratic Senators and a Democratic governor. In a sense, he "went home". (And yes, I know that he was from Virginia.)

      "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has." Margaret Mead

      by kovie on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 01:55:10 PM PST

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  •  Find me any succesful movement in history... (none)
    that didn't have some kind of leadership.  It's just a basic organizing principle.  You can read one guy on this site blasting Kerry for doing what he is doing for politics and another praising his integrity.  It's great that people can argue but at the end of the day you need a leader to bringing it all together.

    If it's not gonna be Armando or Kos that takes the reins then I'm disapointed but it's their choice.  I think they are fooling themselves though to think SOMEONE isn't going to have to act as a leader.

  •  My folks in florida are on the horn (none)
    with Bill Nelson.  They never do that.  It still may be a long shot.

    Fight!  Bush gives SOTU with two black eyes.

  •  Yes. As I said earlier (none)
    I thank Markos for the space. I do not need a leader. I am my own boss in this game.

    "It is not too late at all. You just do not yet know what you are capable of." Mahatma Gandhi

    by Percheronwoman on Sat Jan 28, 2006 at 02:23:50 PM PST

  •  One of your very best posts. (none)
    Thank you!
  •  It's true - they've awakened the giant. (none)
    The wingnuts got their start when, in frustration over the Republican failure to nominate Goldwater, they organized, started thinktanks, enlisted Scaife's money, etc.

    This is our version of the same thing. The Alito nomination will go down in history as a turning point in the party. There's a REASON I'm pushing the filibuster and putting up activism resources at Vichy Dems, which ordinarily is concerned with identifying the DINOs and Vichys. It's because the Alito vote is becoming a litmus test on who's a Vichy and who's responsive to the base. (Us.)

    I'm excited. Win or lose tomorrow, I think we're awake now and things are going to change.

  •  Leadership isn't top-down. (none)
    Find me any succesful movement in history that didn't have some kind of leadership.

    There are two schools when it comes to history: one, that individuals make history happen; the other, that undercurrents rise to the surface and create the "leaders" that represent them. I'm a fan of the second. If our leaders won't lead, then we will just rise up until someone appears to ride that wave.

    Short me: the Constitution is right; We The People are in charge, the leaders just need to figure it out.

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