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Raw Story picked up on a huge bit of information that the Associated Press seems to have disregarded.  After two and a half years, the White House has finally turned over 250 pages worth of emails to Fitzgerald.    


The AP mentions little more than the fact that 250 pages of emails were turned over by the Vice President's office and does not indicate when. The White House was enjoined to preserve and turn over all correspondence relating to the inquiry when it began in 2003.

In October 2003, then-White House Counsel Alberto Gonzales told all White House employees to turn in copies of numerous documents relating to the CIA leak investigation. It was sent after the Justice Department told the White House to hand over all records that could be relevant to investigators. According to an article at the time, the deadline was Oct. 10, 2003.

The newly-turned over emails could indicate that not all information had been divulged when the Justice Department first required the information be delivered. It could, however, also signify that Fitzgerald is seeking additional email correspondence based on information he obtained during the probe.

In a letter to Libby's lawyers last month, Fitzgerald signaled that not all emails during the period in question were properly archived -- indicating that some documents may have been lost.

Originally posted to dumbya on Fri Feb 24, 2006 at 07:53 PM PST.

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  •  "Improperly archived" my ass (4.00)
    The WH is under orders to maintain ALL such records and the systems to do so are redundant.  

    About that 12 hour delay between when the order to turn over went out and when the WH was "officially" informed by Gonzales......

    shredfest, eraseathon.......

    •  it was properly archived... (4.00)
      in the "circular file"

      When will they realize that their stunts won't work on Fitz?

      •  When will they realize (4.00)
        that their stunts won't work on Fitz?

        Answer: Not until they hear the clang of a jail cell door.

        •  They have pissed Fitz off, now, (4.00)
          I think.  The Leprechaun in Fitz's Irish soul must be getting pretty riled at this point.
          •  And St. Patrick's day is (4.00)
            fast approaching!
          •  Hehe (none)
            that reminded me of The Simpsons halloween episode with the angry leprichaun that jumped around beating up everyone while muttering Irish curses at nonsensical speed.  They needed it to remove the curse a gipsy fortune teller put on them.  So, they sicked the leprichaun on the gipsy.  Battle ensued with the leprichaun trashing her shop.  Fighting turned to kissing.  The two got married.  Good episode.
        •  Clang, clang (none)
          Let me tell you 'bout wayne and his deals of
          Cocaine
          A little more every day
          Holding for a friend till the band do well
          Then the d.e.a. locked him away

          Clang clang, go the jail guitar doors
          Bang bang, go the boots on the floor
          Cry cry, for your lonely mother's son
          Clang clang, go the jail guitar doors

          An' I'll tell you 'bout pete, didn't want no fame
          Gave all his money away
          Well there's something wrong, it'll be good for you, son
          And so they certified him insane

          And then there's keith, waiting for trial
          Twenty-five thousand bail
          If he goes down you won't hear his sound
          But his friends carry on anyway
          Fuck 'em!
          Jail guitar doors
          54/46 was my number
          Jail guitar doors
          Right now someone else has that number

          I carried water for the elephant; Back and forth to the well I went; My arms got sore and my back got bent; But I couldn't fill up that elephant

          by Sylvester McMonkey Mcbean on Fri Feb 24, 2006 at 09:07:29 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

      •  I think it may be occuring to them. (4.00)
        They won't give jack to congress, but Fitz get's what he wants? Gets what he wants in a manner that appears to prove obstructionist tactics by the WH?!  That  is Fitz strong-arming and humiliating these boys, in my opinion.

        So, that's pressure, man.  That's fear.  Fitz  is on to these boys and I don't think we know the half of what he's got on them.  Which is reassuring as hell.  

        "In all chaos there is a cosmos, in all disorder, a secret order" Carl Jung

        by Unduna on Fri Feb 24, 2006 at 09:56:47 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

    •  what else is new (none)
      Gonzalez is still holding back quite a bit of email including emails relevant to the case and mentioning wilson and/or plame on the grounds of executive priviledge and/or national security.  Guy's a fucking lapdog to the president.
      •  It is unclear (none)
        whether or not the WH gave up this current email dump voluntarily, or were basically forced to do so by the Mole within Cheney's office.

        On a related note, look for the Mole to be fired pretty quickly.

        An election does not make a democracy.

        by seesdifferent on Sat Feb 25, 2006 at 09:08:48 AM PST

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    •  Maybe an eraseathon but (4.00)
      ..of the many hundreds of hours of Nixon tapes there is only one missing any time, the infamous Tape 342 and the missing 18 1/2 minutes.

      Since any erasures are circumstantial but implied evidence of guilt one would think the White House would be leery of going that route. Remember, all correspondence carries traces which could not be removed. But that also supposes this administration is somewhat intelligent and has at least a level of integrity as high as Nixon's. That's not a certainty by any means.

      •  Are you kidding? (none)
        Implied evidence of guilt?  These people could murder someone on the WH lawn, and it would be act of heroism in some way.

        Hiding emails = national security (uh, Nixon said the same)
        Hiding emails  = what emails?
        Hiding emails = we've turned over all the evidence they need (in whose opinion?)
        Hiding emails = Executive privilege
        Hiding emails = persecution and sour grapes by Dems
        Hiding emails = "We are an open and honest administration."

        All this ... and "I'll respect you and love you tomorrow."  

        •  Serious comments please (none)
          The White House can play all the games it wants in the media or even in the Houses of Congress, where it can control the flow and temperament of information. It has no such control with a Federal prosecutor, short of having him removed which won't happen in this case (Nixon tried that one too).

          Fitzgerald is a serious threat and they know it.

  •  re (4.00)
    Fuck'm. This is Nixon way of doing things...

    Glad to see they are following the same path...

    "Save me Showtime! Save Me! " - Steve Holt

    by cookiesandmilk on Fri Feb 24, 2006 at 08:08:35 PM PST

    •  Hope the path leads to the same end. (4.00)

      "I said, 'wait a minute, Chester, you know I'm a peaceful man.'" Robbie Robertson -8.13, -4.56

      by NearlyNormal on Fri Feb 24, 2006 at 08:11:48 PM PST

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      •  I'm waiting for this (4.00)
        "I am not a crook!  Heh heh heh!"

        (-7.25, -5.85) "Talk amongst yourselves. The Christian Right: neither Christian nor right. Discuss." --Linda Richman

        by Slartibartfast on Fri Feb 24, 2006 at 08:18:18 PM PST

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      •  what... (none)
        bleeding to death on the steps of the white house after an angry press gaggle swarms and beats him with microphones and camera equipment?

        oh wait... that was that other dimension i heard about were justice actually exists.

        •  an angry press gaggle? (none)
          I wish.  The press covering the White House seem to be missing something -- cojones, frontal lobes, long term memory, self respect, maybe something else -- that makes them incapable of righteous anger.  

          I don't see how someone with a normal intellect and any sense of right and wrong could stand to sit through Scott McClellan's BS sessions.  They should quit wasting their time trying to squeeze truth out of a turnip, and get out and pound the pavement digging up dirt on Bush and company.  They're based in Washington, so they have easy access to the mid-level folks in government, some of whom know what's really going on.  They also have an easy way to talk confidentially with those folks.  

          Lately it seems bloggers, who can't pound the Washington pavement, are more likely to turn up real news about the Bush administration than the folks in the Washington news corps.

          We're all pretty crazy some way or other; some of us just hide it better. "Normal" is just a setting on my dryer.

          by david78209 on Sat Feb 25, 2006 at 08:26:24 AM PST

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    •  Rosemary Woods was still alive... (none)
      in 2003.  I wonder if she helped in the "accidental erasure" of the e-mails--at least 18 1/2 minutes of them.

      Some men see things as they are and ask why. I see things that never were and ask why not?

      by RFK Lives on Sat Feb 25, 2006 at 07:33:53 AM PST

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  •  Tag edit (4.00)
    Since we can't edit tags anymore, could you add Scooter Libby?

    The news I'm also thrilled about is the confirmation that Fitz' investigation into the original leak is still on-going.  It's nice to hear that from time-to-time.  :o)

  •  With Nixon, the American people knew (4.00)
    he was a crook by the time Congress got around to acting.  Congress was more or less compelled to take the path it did, although in truth it was only a few brave Republicans with integrity, mainly William Cohen of Maine and Lowell Weicker of Connecticut, who permitted the Senate investigation to go as far as it did.

    Today, I would venture to say that there are no Republicans in the Senate who have the integrity and fair-mindedness that Cohen and Weicker had in 1973 and 1974 when they helped kick Nixon out of office.

  •  John Conyers (4.00)
    was one of the true heroes of the House Juciciary Committee in the Nixon era.

    And, in the Senate, during that time, no one was more valiant than Senator Paul Sarbanes!

    We are indeed fortunate to have these two men still in the Congress today.

    •  Sarbanes is "valiant"??? (none)
      Uh, sure, whatever.
      •  Sarbanes was certainly valiant (none)
        during the Senate committee hearings in the 1970's, pertaining to Nixon's misdeeds and Watergate.
        •  And don't forget (4.00)
          ...how truly valiant he was in Iran/Contra as well.  Conyers and Kerry, too.

          "The survival value of intelligence is that it allows us to extinct a bad idea, before the idea extincts us." -- Karl Popper

          by eyeswideopen on Fri Feb 24, 2006 at 09:12:29 PM PST

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        •  Sarbanes Served on House Judiciary Committee (4.00)
          Sarbanes did commendable work in connection with the impeachment proceedings against Nixon, but he was a member of the House at that time.
        •  I remember & appreciate that (none)
          but for 30 years in the Senate, he's been a back-bencher.

          When Paul came to the Senate in 1976, we had extraordinary hopes for him; he was seen as a possible future president or maybe a supreme court justice. Instead, he's been an average senator with a great voting record but few accomplishments.

          There's nothing worse than being in your 70s and still having "potential."

    •  Some Other Heros IIRC (none)
      John (not Howard) Dean (White House Counsel)
      Sen. Sam Ervin  (Foghorn Leghorn.. perfect image of a senator)
      Archibald Cox (Legal eagle, an untouchable, fired very early on.)
      Richard Ben-Vineste (House Dem counsel in Watergate... and just one hell of a smart guy.)

      As to Fitzpatrick:
      Great prosecutor from all reports.
      Carefull.
      Slow.
      Slow walkin'...
      Boy Scout.
      Couldn't do a 3 mile march in a single day.
      Makes Monk look reckless.
      Really...
      really....
      ... slow.
      I may end up with him on my little list of hero's....
      after a long...
      slow....
      careful
      .... consideration,

      ...and IF he shows up...

      carrying Bush's head.

      It is bad foreign policy to make enemies faster than you can kill them.

      by Paulie200 on Fri Feb 24, 2006 at 11:52:28 PM PST

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  •  It feels just like (4.00)

    FITZMAS again!

    Truthout is reporting that the emails will prove that Cheney lied to the FBI as we would expect of that seditious infidel.  

    How the world has changed these last few weeks.  

    Now that Bush has offered control of port security to the Arabs and the Bills O'Reilly and Buckly have declared defeat and called for a withdrawal from Iraq:  Howard Dean and "whose your daddy" Michael Moore can get some 'Told You So' t-shirts for Fitzmas.

    All I want for Fitzmas is a double impeachment and a home coming for the troops.

  •  You really think ? (none)
    Bush and Abu are really going let Fitz get to court ? Who was it trying to say Fitz didnt have the power ?  Hey I hope he does, but the cynic realist in me says otherwise.

    -8.63 -7.28 When Bush is in your face, may the wind be at your back.

    by OneCrankyDom on Fri Feb 24, 2006 at 09:23:51 PM PST

    •  does it really matter....... (none)
      if this gets to court?  as long as it stays in the news....

      fitzmas came in the form of libby's indictments AND Fitzgerald's announcement that the case was STILL ONGOING....

      the outcome we want is a disintigration of the myth that bush is honest, trustworthy, moral, and able to keep us safe from terrorism

      the objective:  take back the house and hopefully the senate in 06

      whether or not scooter goes to trial before then is of no real consequence as long as fitzie keeps up a stead drip drip drip...the reasonable doubt keeps growing among bush supporters, doubt that bush is who they thought he was...

      betweeen the katrina reports, the dubai deal and fitzie's stead drip drip drip the cult of bush is shrinking...

      "if all the world's a stage, who is sitting in the audience?"

      by KnotIookin on Sat Feb 25, 2006 at 01:22:37 AM PST

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  •  Leopold's piece goes further: (4.00)

    White House 'Discovers' 250 Emails Related to Plame Leak. To wit:

      "The emails are said to be explosive, and may prove that Cheney played an active role in the effort to discredit Plame Wilson's husband,....

      Sources close to the probe said the White House "discovered" the emails two weeks ago and turned them over to Fitzgerald last week. The sources added that the emails could prove that Cheney lied to FBI investigators when he was interviewed about the leak in early 2004. Cheney said that he was unaware of any effort to discredit Wilson or unmask his wife's undercover status to reporters.

      ...

      Cheney said he had received an intelligence briefing on the allegations in late December 2003, or early January 2004, and had asked the CIA for more information about the issue.

      Cheney said he was unaware that Ambassador Wilson was chosen to travel to Niger to look into the uranium claims, and that he never saw a report Wilson had given a CIA analyst upon his return which stated that the Niger claims were untrue. He said the CIA never told him about Wilson's trip.

      However, the emails say otherwise, and will show that the vice president spearheaded an effort in March 2003 to attack Wilson's credibility and used the CIA to dig up information on the former ambassador that could be used against him, sources said."

    Let the games continue

    I donated to ePluribus Media; kindly join me: "I participate therefore I am...."

    by libby on Fri Feb 24, 2006 at 09:50:26 PM PST

    •  That's gorgeous, just frickin' gorgeous. (none)

      "In all chaos there is a cosmos, in all disorder, a secret order" Carl Jung

      by Unduna on Fri Feb 24, 2006 at 09:59:13 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  Interesting. (none)
      They 'found' them two weeks ago and gave them in last week.  Why the delay?

      And why the interesting timing?  Giving over damaging emails about Cheney just as speculation is flying that he's going to be a sacrificial element?

      President Washington, President Lincoln, President Wilson, President Roosevelt have all authorized electronic surveillance on a far broader scale. -AG

      by Stymnus on Fri Feb 24, 2006 at 09:59:57 PM PST

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      •  About the timing: (none)

        not release of the emails but Dead Eye Dick's release of bird shots in Mr. Whittington's face. This to suggest that the Vice President may have been having a few because...

        Also, lest we forget, in his Fox interview Cheney gave us this little tidbit for the road: "I have authority to declassify the classified world if I so choose." (quotes for dramatic effect.)

        I donated to ePluribus Media; kindly join me: "I participate therefore I am...."

        by libby on Fri Feb 24, 2006 at 10:18:47 PM PST

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        •  Not to go too far (none)
          down the conspiracy theory road, but...

          I have to admit that I wondered what that was all about when I watched the video clip of the interview. That topic seemed to come out of left field at the end.

          There were so many other questions to ask about the shooting - it seemed odd to me at the time that the subject was dropped and this one introduced. Did the VP's office ask for this question so that Cheney would have the opportunity to respond that he had authority to declassify info? I wondered then and I wonder now.

    •  re (none)
      I wonder if they have decided to ditch cheney?

      The guy is alway shooting his mouth (no wait his friend's mouth) off all the time...

      "Save me Showtime! Save Me! " - Steve Holt

      by cookiesandmilk on Fri Feb 24, 2006 at 10:18:00 PM PST

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    •  It must be true... (4.00)
      'Cause it came out late on a Friday. That's when the good stuff always comes out.

      "Stay the course" isn't a plan. It isn't a principle. It's a tantrum.

      by Nowhere Man on Fri Feb 24, 2006 at 10:24:06 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  Oh man, that's rich... (none)
      However, the emails say otherwise, and will show that the vice president spearheaded an effort in March 2003 to attack Wilson's credibility and used the CIA to dig up information on the former ambassador that could be used against him, sources said.

      That's just damn sweet.  Now how long will it be before they frog march master Cheney?

  •  Is it me (4.00)
    or is the Plame investigation going painfully slow. Like watching paint dry. I want more indictments!

    Help me retire to Hawaii by age 30! Pimp my site Simple Vegetarian Recipes!

    by OrangeClouds115 on Fri Feb 24, 2006 at 10:21:27 PM PST

    •  I'm with you, but maybe .... (4.00)
      it's better this way, in the sense that the American people are gradually getting the Chinese water torture treatment with this story.  It drips, drips, drips, a little every day, which is almost more effective than a couple of dramatic things which PR types can turn around with spin and verbal ju-jitsu, as they did effectively with Ollie North and Lawrence Walsh, Poindexter, et al., and even, unbelievably, with Nixon who remained a sympathetic figure to almost half the nation for years after he was "deposed."
  •  Saturday night massacre (none)
    I'm heartened by the progress Fitz has made, but I just can't help but believe that they'll fire him before (more) charges are laid. The political price would, of course, be huge, but if it derailed the investigation or at least pushed indictments past Nov. '06, I have little doubt that BushCo would tae that chance.

    Anyone care to offer pointers re: Fitz' job security?

    •  I think (none)
      They would have tried to get rid of him already (during one of those long, quiet spells) if they had the authority/ability to do so (ala the Abramoff prosecutor who was promoted and taken off his case). They're spouting off with the threat of it now trying to shake Fitz up, but it won't work.

      The American taxpayers wouldn't object to free transportation for certain government officials if they'd go where we wish they would.

      by PatsBard on Fri Feb 24, 2006 at 11:59:47 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  Here's one view on this. (none)

      On Fitzgerald's Scope and Legal Security
      by aspTrader

      http://www.dailykos.com/...

      It's worth following the link in the above diary to a blog by Citzen Spook:

      TREASONGATE: The US Attorney General's Office AND President Bush Have NO LEGAL AUTHORITY To Remove Patrick Fitzgerald As Special Counsel

      http://citizenspook.blogspot.com/...

      Of course this was all written by people who are following the old rules as laid down by the Contituion, common law, and US Code for the past hundred years or so.

      It is bad foreign policy to make enemies faster than you can kill them.

      by Paulie200 on Sat Feb 25, 2006 at 12:22:22 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  Fitz (4.00)
    I think the WH had to turn over the e-mails. Fitz knew they were missing, which means he had proof they were missing and that means obstruction of justice for sure. They were caught between a rock and a hard place. Cheney doesn't know exactly what Fitz has and has been giving out only what he thinks he has to give to survive. Cheney's lawyer must be sweating.

    The most courageous act is still to think for yourself. Aloud. -Coco Chanel

    by Overseas on Sat Feb 25, 2006 at 01:03:19 AM PST

    •  nail hits head (none)
      you hit the nail on the head when you said 'cheney doesnt know WHAT Fitzgerald has"

      so when fitzie made a few statements about shoddy white house email archiving, cheney's cabal probably began to worry that fitzie already HAD a few of these supposed missing emails....

      consider just how hard scooters legal team is trying to get hold of everything fitzie does have...and claiming if it not turned over to them the libby case must not continue...

      i am beginning to think scooter was tasked to become indicted so he could then play the legal card and get hold of fitzies 'info'  knowing full well that IF he was convicted of a crime da preznit would pardon him

      if scooter deliberately lied to the grand jury in order to be indicted then his lying finally makes sense.  how else would the White House be able to learn what fitzgerald knows other then through libby's legal case.

      so we have a game going on between two really good players....fitz and team bush....my money is on fitzie....the bush players use steroids

      "if all the world's a stage, who is sitting in the audience?"

      by KnotIookin on Sat Feb 25, 2006 at 01:31:31 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  steroids? (none)
        LOL - I thought it was coke!
      •  Kinda doubt this bit (4.00)
        "if scooter deliberately lied to the grand jury in order to be indicted then his lying finally makes sense.  how else would the White House be able to learn what fitzgerald knows other then through libby's legal case."

        More like the WH never thought it would get into court on anything and are now unpleasantly surprised and nothing they can do about it except try delaying tactics. The request to produce all the PDB's would end the case if the WH refused to produce them, but it looks like the judge won't allow that request. Libby lost yesterday in his bid to get the name of the administration official who blabbed. I loved that ruling. The judge has spinal fortitude too. This will get juicier but it will drag out.

        I am waiting for Fitz to indict the next one which could come well before Libby's case is heard. I think he was waiting for those e-mails to be produced. Why do I feel giddy and full of glee?

        The most courageous act is still to think for yourself. Aloud. -Coco Chanel

        by Overseas on Sat Feb 25, 2006 at 04:36:49 AM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  why you feel giddy (none)
          i like your assessment too......one of us is right...and the one thing we know is allof team bush is WRONG

          do you feel giddy because of a change in the air pressure over america these days

          seems a perfect storm is gathering over the white house....and there is electricity abounding in the air  :)

          "if all the world's a stage, who is sitting in the audience?"

          by KnotIookin on Sat Feb 25, 2006 at 07:20:22 AM PST

          [ Parent ]

  •  truthout: emails 'explosive' (none)
    The Truthout report by Jason Leopold is here:

    http://www.truthout.org/...

      The emails are said to be explosive, and may prove that Cheney played an active role in the effort to discredit Plame Wilson's husband, former Ambassador Joseph Wilson, a vocal critic of the Bush administration's prewar Iraq intelligence, sources close to the investigation said.

        Sources close to the probe said the White House "discovered" the emails two weeks ago and turned them over to Fitzgerald last week. The sources added that the emails could prove that Cheney lied to FBI investigators when he was interviewed about the leak in early 2004. Cheney said that he was unaware of any effort to discredit Wilson or unmask his wife's undercover status to reporters.

        Cheney was not under oath when he was interviewed. He told investigators how the White House came to rely on Niger documents that purportedly showed that Iraq had tried to purchase uranium from the African country.

        Cheney said he had received an intelligence briefing on the allegations in late December 2003, or early January 2004, and had asked the CIA for more information about the issue.

        Cheney said he was unaware that Ambassador Wilson was chosen to travel to Niger to look into the uranium claims, and that he never saw a report Wilson had given a CIA analyst upon his return which stated that the Niger claims were untrue. He said the CIA never told him about Wilson's trip.

        However, the emails say otherwise, and will show that the vice president spearheaded an effort in March 2003 to attack Wilson's credibility and used the CIA to dig up information on the former ambassador that could be used against him, sources said.

    •  oops (none)
      sorry, i didn't see that was already posted. but pretty juicy stuff!
    •  Changing Executive Order 12958 (none)
      I think we may have a smoking-gun on conspircy against Joe Wilson. That and Bush is part of it, if not at the center.

      Emails will most likely show direct evidence of this conspircy

      It has to do with the Executive Order 12958 http://www.fas.org/.... It is the timeline of when this draft was first initiated. When was it first proposed that the original [EXECUTIVE ORDER 12958   http://www.fas.org/... ]dated April 17, 1995 be updated?

      FAS Note: The following is a draft Bush Administration revision of Executive Order (EO) 12958 on national security information policy. When finalized, the new executive order will define information classification and declassification policy. This draft document was circulated among executive branch agencies for comment in March 2003. Deletions from EO 12958 are indicated in this way, while proposed new additions are underlined. The final executive order was signed by President Bush on March 25, 2003, and is posted here.

      During March of 2003:

      7 March 2003

      "Based on thorough analysis, the IAEA has concluded, with the concurrence of outside experts, that these documents - which formed the basis for the reports of recent uranium transactions between Iraq and Niger - are in fact not authentic.

      We have therefore concluded that these specific allegations are unfounded."

      UN nuclear inspector Mohamed ElBaradei's report to the UN Security Council

      In the New Yorker:

      http://www.newyorker.com/...

      WHO LIED TO WHOM?
      Why did the Administration endorse a forgery about Iraqâ€TMs nuclear program?
      by SEYMOUR M. HERSH
      Issue of 2003-03-31
      Posted 2003-03-24

      Joe Wilson himself stated in his book:

      http://talkleft.com/...

      Joseph Wilson wrote in his book and told Tim Russert on Meet the Press that the White House campaign to discredit him began in early March, 2003, after he had appeared on CNN and criticized the Niger documents as forgeries. In an earlier post, I quoted both:

      Wilson's Book:

      ...According to my sources, between March 2003 and the appearance of my article in July, the workup on me that turned up the information on Valerie was shared with Karl Rove, who then circulated it in administration and neoconservative circles.

      ....Apparently, according to two journalist sources of mine, when Rove learned that he might have violated the law, he turned on Cheney and Libby and made it clear that he held them responsible for the problem they had created for the administration.

      The plan of the attacks on Joe started at this time. Here this EO update is Bush giving cover to Cheney, Libby, and other of the Iraq Survey Group.

      Can we get a timeline of the events and some insider input on these events?

  •  I think he has already access to them (none)
     How would he know they were missing if someone hadn't tipped him off?
     I think this was a public signal that there's more obstruction of justice involved.
  •  Emails could prove Cheney lied to FBI (none)
    According to the story: "the emails could prove that Cheney lied to FBI investigators when he was interviewed about the leak in early 2004. Cheney said that he was unaware of any effort to discredit Wilson or unmask his wife's undercover status to reporters."

    Cheney was not under oath when talking to investigators, but as every schoolchild now knows (thats to Martha Stewart), one need not be under oath to be prosecuted for lying to Federal officials.

    As Cheney is now clearly in the sights of sharp-shooting Patrick Fitzgerald, and Fitzgerald doesn't shoot birdshot, its now hunting tip time on KOS in the A.M.:

    When hunting Canada geese, you put your 10 gauge on one of the back geese in the V-formation, so the geese up front don't see it fall.  That way you can work your way up the V.

    I seem to recall the same deal back at the Watergate:  Agnew actually got removed before Nixon.

    I hate the term, but it feels like everything is t-i-p-p-i-n-g.

    "But the sea is wide, and I can't swim over, and neither have I wings to fly . . ."

    by bobdevo on Sat Feb 25, 2006 at 04:43:26 AM PST

  •  Important diary-thanks-excellent+highly recomended (none)
  •  analysis: Leopold's mole..... (4.00)

    This latest story by Jason Leopold is important in that it shows that Leopold's mole has documentary evidence of his stories. This is huge.

    firstly, it has been apparent for a couple weeks now that Jason Leopold has tapped into a serious mole in Cheney's office. I have speculated that this was John Hannah, though this is not clear.  In Leopold's recent stuff, he disclosed this information about Cheney's and Libby's angry roles in the Plame matter.  See my previous diary.

    secondly, whether by chance, prior intent, or because Fitz got wind of Leopold's source, this source, let's call him Mole, has given documentation of the Cheney stuff in the form of emails to Fitz.

    Most likely, Mole hid these emails in the original "search". Most likely, Cheney told him to. Now, however, Mole has disclosed the existence of these emails. Exactly how he did it is difficult to know.  From Leopold's previous articles, it seems that Mole is motivated by remorse. Perhaps Fitz gave him a cover by his statements that he (Fitz) knew that they were out there and missing.  At any rate, Mole has essentially outed not just the role of Cheney and Libby, he has probably outed the WH coverup as well.  Again, this puts Cheney in an untenable position. Not only has he lied to the FBI, under oath or no, but he probably has done a coverup, by having his staff, including Mole, hide these emails. If Cheney had a role in this coverup, I think Cheney is going to have to resign.

    Now, as I  have pointed out previously, these disclosures about Cheney's and Libby's active personal role in Plamegate effectively  destroy Libby's "Steve Martin" defense ("IiiIII forGOT" and "well, exCUUUuuuUUUse ME!"), and leave him really with only the "graymail" defense.  And since the graymail defense is really only secondary to the Steve Martin defense, I think Scooter is really shitouttaluck at this point. His only real options other than a pardon or a Saturday night massacre involve rolling over on Cheney or on Rove.

    Fuck with Fitz, pay the price.

    An election does not make a democracy.

    by seesdifferent on Sat Feb 25, 2006 at 06:52:50 AM PST

    •  oh and by the way (none)
      there seems to be a serious typo in the Leopold story about the dates when Cheney asked the CIA to look into the issue of the Niger story. It was obviously not late 2003 early 2004.

      An election does not make a democracy.

      by seesdifferent on Sat Feb 25, 2006 at 06:56:00 AM PST

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      •  i alwaysd thought.... (none)
        once an email was sent over the net that no matter how hard you tried you could NOT erase all copies of it

        copies will always exist....you just have to follow the path the email took to find those copies

        is that not correct?

        "if all the world's a stage, who is sitting in the audience?"

        by KnotIookin on Sat Feb 25, 2006 at 07:23:26 AM PST

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        •  Not Always (none)
          Otherwise, the Internet drains would be clogged with penis pill ads. There is a LOT of mail out there. This is one reason I am pretty skeptical about the effectiveness of initiatives like Echelon. Even with massive horsepower, the sheer volume of information is enormous.

          Most Web servers keep logs, but delete them on a regular basis.

          When an email is sent, however, there is no log, unless one is specifically kept. I always keep outgoing copies of all my emails, but I have to switch on a setting in my email client to do so. It helps to counter others when they "massage" my emails. Most people have learned not to do that with me, but they can get away with it in most cases.

          There is no way to go out and remove an email once it is sent. There are a couple of hokey sites that claim to be able to do so, but they are pretty pathetic hacks.

          Basically, if the sender keeps copies (as the WH is required to do), and the recipient keeps a copy, then you have permanent copies.

          If not, then the email is gone.

          Here's a fairly concise description.

          It would be a hoot if Fitz got his "smoking gun" from the NSA intercepts. Wouldn't that be a "hoist by his own petard" thing, eh?

          "[T]hat I have no remedy for all the sorrows of the world is no reason for my accepting yours. It simply supports the strong probability that yours is a fake."

          by Heronymous Cowherd on Sat Feb 25, 2006 at 07:39:21 AM PST

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          •  they were mis-filed, not destroyed (none)
             Jan. 23 letter sent to Libby by Fitzgerald.

            "We are aware of no evidence pertinent to the charges against defendant Libby which has been destroyed."

            so the implication is that it was there, just not where it was supposed to be.

            Fitz goes on to say:

            "not all e-mail of the Office of Vice President and the Executive Office of the President for certain time periods in 2003 was preserved through the normal archiving process on the White House computer system."

            So in retrospect, I think fitz is saying: "you tried to hide it, but we found it. "

            An election does not make a democracy.

            by seesdifferent on Sat Feb 25, 2006 at 09:00:28 AM PST

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  •  "Mene, Mene, Tekel and Parsin" (none)
    Daniel 5:23-31 /"You have praised gods of gold and silver, of bronze and iron, of wood and stone, which you can neither see, nor hear nor understand; but you have given no glory to the God who holds your breath and all your fortunes in his hands. That is why he has sent the hand which, by itself, has written these words. The writing reads: 'Mene, Mene, Tekel and Parsin'. The meaning of the words is this: Mene: God has measured your sovereignty and put an end to it; Tekel: you have been weighed in the balance and found wanting; Parsin: your kingdom has been divided and given to the Medes and the Persians.'..."  (Dn.5:23-31).
  •  The media would care (none)
    if you told them the emails were related to Hillary's Rose law firm billing records.

    It is so pathetic.  They barely pretend to care about this story.

  •  as in "who told you that, a blogger?" (none)
    I think that the fact that the revelations are really all via Jason Leopold is the reason the mainstream media are not on this story.  If this had appeared under Walter Pincus' byline, there would be screaming headlines. An interesting commentary on the media/blogger wars, imho.

    An election does not make a democracy.

    by seesdifferent on Sat Feb 25, 2006 at 09:02:58 AM PST

  •  Could this make it a conspiracy case? (none)
    Assuming that the e-mails provide the proof speculated above, could not this become a conspiracy case?

    If so, wouldn't conspiracy be easier to prove.  And certainly make it easier to put pressure on others (maybe more junior people) to testify against Libby and/or Rove and perhaps their bosses?  Something like this happened in Watergate.  

    Could a lawyer advise about the realities here.

    Final point:  Maybe Fitz got ahold of an index of e-mails.  Copies might not help him prove a case, it strikes me.  He would have needed to establish a trail of evidence to authenticate the e-mails.

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