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As we all know, the media is rampant with sycophantic, corporate shills and can't be trusted to deliver a pizza. But an intersting trend is developing that ought to shake their confidence in the suck-up school of journalism.

The just released February ratings (pdf) for cable news networks tell a tale that is decidedly downbeat for Fox News, the leader in propaganda programming. In a comparison with February 2005, the numbers for every network are up except for Fox. Details follow.....

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This may come as some surprise to Bill O'Reilly who, in a moment of empathy for his competition at MSNBC, started a petition to replace Keith Olbermann with former MSNBC host, Phil Donahue. O'Reilly felt sorry for what he said was the net's poor performance. Never mind that Olbermann's show drew more viewers than MSNBC's conservative hosted shows. And I certainly doubt that Bill was just being indignant because Keith was being mean to him on a nightly basis. Now Bill has to swallow the difficult truth that Keith's viewership is growing while his own is shrinking. In the key demographic group of viewers aged 25-54, the Total Day ratings for MSNBC rose 47% while Fox declined -13%.

Fox's Prime Time erosion was even greater at -21%. In fact, in every hour in the daypart, from 3:00pm till midnight, Fox numbers were lower. This is a distinction that only Fox, of the five nets surveyed, was able to achieve.

The largest decline was suffered by Greta Van Susteran's On The Record (-22%), followed closely by O'Reilly (-21%). Hannity & What's His Name took the Bronze (-17%). Of the MSNBC programs opposite those losers, Olbermann's Countdown was the biggest gainer (55%), which I'm sure doesn't bother O'Reilly at all.

The growing feud between Bill and Keith is something unique in commercial television. It has taken on a personal tone that I can't recall witnessing before. There is, however, a difference in style. While Olbermann is merciless in his mockery, he sticks to commenting on the substance of O'Reilly's program and the stupid or demonstrably false things that O'Reilly says. Billy, on the other hand, seems to respond only by pointing out that more people watch his show than Olbermann's. You know, the 2 million flies defense. But if O'Reilly isn't careful, he may soon not have even that to crow about.

Originally posted to KingOneEye on Wed Mar 01, 2006 at 08:17 AM PST.

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  •  And yes, I did say Free Fall... (4.00)
    ...nothing about Free Falafels. Sorry.
  •  Apparently, Kool Aid CAN go sour. nt (3.93)
  •  Question (none)
    Does anybody have any stats on Colbert and Jon Stewart?  I know it's fake news, per se, but I'd like to see Olbermann, Dobbs, Colbert and Stewart matched up against the nutjobs.
    •  I only have the news nets numbers here. (none)
      When I get a chance, I'll try to update with The Daily Show and Colbert (unless someone else beats me to it).

      However, Dobbs improved in demo by 34%.

    •  Stewart averages (4.00)
      under 1.5M, and Colbert averages 1.1M a night.

      -Newsie of Media News Monday

      Visit my blog Penndit. Media, politics, campaigns, and political communications.

      by Newsie8200 on Wed Mar 01, 2006 at 08:30:20 AM PST

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      •  What those figures never get (none)
        is how many people set aside the time to watch TDS, or change from the local news to it, rather than just catch it because there's nothing else on and they're channel surfing.

        I will get off the computer, put down what I'm doing, and turn on TDS. I won't do that with news, Letterman, Leno, or almost any other TV show. (I might for CSI or Medium, that that's about it)

        Those things never show up in ratings.

      •  Colbert is scary funny (none)
        it is amazing how he just barrels along. does he write most of his own stuff?

        An election does not make a democracy.

        by seesdifferent on Wed Mar 01, 2006 at 09:17:11 AM PST

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        •  yes Colbert does wrtie his own mterial (none)

          "My case is alter'd, I must work for my living." Moll Cut-Purse, The Roaring Girl - 1612, England's First Actress

          by theRoaringGirl on Wed Mar 01, 2006 at 09:29:12 AM PST

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        •  If O'Lielly were to go off the air... (4.00)
          what would Colbert do? He, too, could be in trouble if the genre he is spoofing goes out of fashion & disappears.

          "I'm having trouble with my boy." -- George H. W. Bush, 2004

          by Shiborg on Wed Mar 01, 2006 at 09:30:51 AM PST

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          •  Colbert has talent out the wa-zoo. (4.00)
            If O'Reilly et al go off the air, Colbert will find a new shtick or a new gig.  And I will take to calling him Saint George.  Make no mistake about it, his lampooning of Bill has put the absurdity of that format front and center.  Part of the decline on FNC is due to The Colbert Report.  

            "I say unto you, in as much ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me." Jesus of Nazareth

            by Spider Stumbled on Wed Mar 01, 2006 at 09:38:33 AM PST

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            •  It's funny standalone (none)
              You don't have to watch O'Reilly at all to find Colbert funny. I had no idea until a friend told me how eerily similar it was. The Word will still be funny even if O'Reilly vanishes into a puff of logic.
              •  The night before last (4.00)
                That man made the Nicene Creed funny.  Damn funny.

                "I say unto you, in as much ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me." Jesus of Nazareth

                by Spider Stumbled on Wed Mar 01, 2006 at 10:17:44 AM PST

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                •  I love Colbert (none)
                  But I have to say that I miss his regular 'This Week in God' bit on The Daily Show. What kind of crazy-good kharma did The Daily Show scrounge up in order to sign Jon Stewart, Stephen Colbert, and Steve Carell at the same time? Ah, those were the days. It was like the Keith Olbermann-and-Dan-Patrick-on-SportsCenter days of Comedy Central television.

                  -- I share no man's opinions; I have my own. -Ivan Turgenev -6.75 -3.79

                  by tergenev on Wed Mar 01, 2006 at 11:28:50 AM PST

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                •  Was he all "ashed up"... (none)
                  tonight? He spoke the whole thing in that "I have to remember this for catechism or Sister Imperputua will beat me within an inch of my life"-like droning monotone. Sounded just like on of the Tribe of Rome...

                  Tres funny!

                  People in Eurasia on the brink of oppression: I hope it's gonna be alright... Pet Shop Boys: Introspective

                  by rgilly on Thu Mar 02, 2006 at 02:20:06 AM PST

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          •  I have never watched O'Reilly (none)
            (a.k.a. the "Papa Bear") for more than a minute, and then only a handful of times, but I never miss Cobert if I can help it.  His character may be based on O'Reilly, but it touches on many others of his ilk.  He's creative as hell and will be on for a long time.

            My apologies to students who took my U.S. Government class in the 90s: evidently the Constitution doesn't limit Presidential power after all. Who knew?

            by Major Danby on Wed Mar 01, 2006 at 10:04:09 AM PST

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        •  I have it on authority (none)
          that you should never, ever watch the Colbert Report when you're under the influence of any smoking material.  It's beyond freakish.  

          Just because you're self-righteous doesn't mean you're not a hypocrite.

          by AMcG826 on Wed Mar 01, 2006 at 02:19:29 PM PST

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      •  For all viewing? (none)
        Or just for their primary late-night broadcast?  Comedy Central reruns these programs throughout the day. I routinely watch them at 7 and 7:30 CST in the Twin Cities.  
        •  The first airing at 11 (none)
          and 11:30pm.

          Those are the important ones, because that's when Comedy Central charges the higher ad rates.

          CC's bread and butter are generally in primetime and late night. That's why the re-runs are all in the morning and afternoon.

          Visit my blog Penndit. Media, politics, campaigns, and political communications.

          by Newsie8200 on Wed Mar 01, 2006 at 01:29:12 PM PST

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    •  Even further... (4.00)
      What are Olbermann's 12am numbers which weren't included? (That's when I usually watch it anyway)

      O'Reilly's numbers for his 11pm repeat stayed pretty constant, even though is 8pm slot is tanking. I'm curious about the trends on Olbermann's repeat spot as well.

      •  Get your Keith O Authentic Temporary Tattoos!!! (none)
        The auction should be up this weekend- keep an eye on the diaries....

        and now some provenance...

        "This is the exact definition of my ego. When Fox had my head 40 feet high at Shea Stadium they said to me, 'We're going to give out 100,000 temporary tattoos of your face at the Super Bowl.' And I just swallowed and said, 'No. God. Don't. You're not going to, you can't possibly--what do you mean, temporary?'" - Keith Olbermann, "Angry Sportscaster Keith Olbermann has Piazza's Bat--and is Keeping it!" by Jason Gay, NY Observer, Mar 19, 2001

    •  Here's my anecdotal evidence (none)
      for their viewership numbers rising:

      My partner and I got cable television and we don't watch ANYTHING on tv-- zip, zilch-- except Jon Stewart and the Colbert Report.

      That is, on the nights that we manage to stay awake long enough and aren't so exhausted that we don't collapse as soon as our son gets to bed...

      •  As I said above... (none)
        ...Comedy Central reruns these programs throughout the day. I routinely watch them at 7 and 7:30 CST in the Twin Cities.  
        •  You mean (none)
          when Spongebob & Jimmy Neutron are on?  Get serious!
          •  I am quite serious (none)
            Honest to god.  Comedy Central on Comcast in Saint Paul, Minneosta.  TDS at 7 p.m., Colbert at 7:30 p.m. Repeat from the night before.  And I believe there are other repeats during daytime hours. I don't know what's on at that time where you are, but where I am, this is the schedule. Conflicts with Olbermann, alas.

            (Sorry--I believed I was replying to the posting above and mistakenly posted this information elsewhere in this string.  Apologies.)

    •  I hate how Stewart calls it "fake news." (4.00)
      It isn't; it is real news presented with a wicked satire. I don't think he makes up very much at all. Stewart sells himself short on that.

      (And if you want to see fake news, turn on Faux "News" Channel....)

      "I'm having trouble with my boy." -- George H. W. Bush, 2004

      by Shiborg on Wed Mar 01, 2006 at 09:35:32 AM PST

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      •  I did an analysis of "Fake News"... (4.00) News Corpse. The post is titled The Real Fake News, and compares the Daily Show to conventional media. An excerpt:
        Anchor, Jon Stewart, is fond of referring to the program as the "fake" news. He displays an abundance of modesty that suggests that he truly doesn't grasp the impact this program has on its viewers and its conventional news counterpart....The recognition the program receives belies Stewart's protests that all he does is a funny show on a comedy network that follows puppets making crank phone calls. The show has won five Emmys. It won a Peabody award for election coverage. The Columbia Journalism Review included Stewart on its list of the nation's 10 most influential political reporters. Newsday placed Stewart on their list of the 20 media players who will most influence the 2004 campaign. Ranking lower on the list were the likes of Tim Russert, Ted Koppel, and Sean Hannity, among others.
        It goes on to illustrate the fakeness that permeates conventional news media.
      •  Aye but there's probably a reason (4.00)
        Calling it fake news helps disarm his would-be critics.

        Does he take the real news seriously? Yes. Does he take himself seriously?  No.

        Figire Fox News is fake news AND they take themselves seriously. There's the key difference.

        Jon Stewart reminds me of a lot of Will Rogers and I'm surprised I don't hear that comparison made.  We need more Jon Stewarts and Will Rogers.

        •  Good analogy. (none)
          I hope someone is compiling all of Stewart's brilliant observations & quips. Many of them could be relevant for generations -- like Rogers'.

          (I sometimes use as my DKos sig line one of my favorite Rogers quotes: "I am not a member of any organized political party. I am a Democrat.")

          "I'm having trouble with my boy." -- George H. W. Bush, 2004

          by Shiborg on Wed Mar 01, 2006 at 10:28:00 AM PST

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      •  I agree. (none)
        It's really not fake news at all. It's solid news analysis done in a satirical manner. I'm not always interested in the interview, but the first half is great.
    •  Jon Stewart's viewership (none)
      should get a big bump after the Oscar exposure.  We know Jon will be WONDERFUL Sunday night.

      You're a Republican until it happens to you.

      by nape on Wed Mar 01, 2006 at 09:33:38 PM PST

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    •  Dobbs is just about the biggest nutjob.... (none)
      and a straightout racsist.
      Just because he lays into the Repugs now and again doesnt make hime him sane. That would make Buchanan sane as well.
  •  Keith is proving that if a liberal has cojones (4.00)
    he/she'll get respect. We're far more entertaining than the conservatives.  I tune in every night just to hear Keith declare Bill O'Reilly as the 'worst person in the world!'
    •  And a sense of humor (4.00)
      Because the humor on Countdown is neither clownish nor lowbrow (OK, most of the time it's not) and the information scrupulously accurate, the show, along with its urbane host, demands its respect and simply expects to be granted credibility. That's one of the keys to the show's success, in my view. No begging, no pandering, no lowest common denominator. It's the TV equivalent of dignity.

      Olbermann applies his wit by wielding a scalpel with great precision ... Falafel Boy and his ilk, owing to the knuckle-dragging stupidity and terminal cultural illiteracy of the Fox audience, swing machetes and meat cleavers and make little attempt at funny, much less witty.

      Their audience, I judge, is infested with people (benefit of the doubt) possessed of short attention spans and front-runner syndrome. Now that Bush has lost his swerve, the flies are abandioning the squashblossom.

      Pity, that.

      •  Fox goal is anger and fear (4.00)
        not humor or wit or truth.

        They want to control elections/policy and make lots of money.

        Anger and fear work for awhile, until somebody pulls back the curtain and shows the little man feverishly punching buttons. Ratings are falling, because the curtain is being pulled back by KO,Stewart, Dobbs, and most unexpectedly the Bush admimistration itself. Katrina, Cheney, spying, Plamegate, Abramoff, the ports deal, and not least civil war in Iraq. It's just too much to be on the wrong side of.

        And that's what Fox and O'Reilly are now. On the wrong side.

        Mythology is what we call other people's religion-Joseph Campbell

        by Sherri in TX on Wed Mar 01, 2006 at 09:10:58 AM PST

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        •  Bang on (4.00)
          They are grim little monkeys, aren't they?
        •  And the wingnuts have the nerve to... (4.00)
          float the meme that Hillary Clinton is just too angry. Too bad nobody's buying what they're selling. (Or as they say in the South, "That veep just don't hunt.")

          "I'm having trouble with my boy." -- George H. W. Bush, 2004

          by Shiborg on Wed Mar 01, 2006 at 09:40:37 AM PST

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        •  It would be interesting (none)
          to correlate Faux News (O'Reilly) viewership ratings and Bush approval ratings.  You are exactly right - the US public is getting tired of Bush and the cheerleading from Faux no longer entertains the airhead faction the way it used to.    

          I think many non-political autopilot Americans bought into Faux when they bought into the lie of the "liberal elite" controlling the media.  Times are changing.  It's a lot harder for Faux to portray themselves as the underdogs anymore, especially when people like Colbert are lampooning them as the out-of-touch mainstream.  

      •  Countdown isn't clownish or lowbrow????!?!?!? (none)
        4 words:

        Anna Nicole puppet theater

  •  Couldn't happen to a nice bunch (4.00)
    of Potemkins.
  •  It was the only explanation for O'Reilly's (4.00)
    petition.  I knew that poor ratings for the Factor would surface at some point soon.

    I agree that I've never seen a rivalry like this on TV before either.  I was thinking the other night when Olberman was goofing on the O'Reilly petition that it was becoming a pretty good stichk for Olberman.  I thought, "Who needs the Cola Wars when you can watch this stuff live every night?"

    I keep sayin' that Fox would have the very best political reporting on TV if any of their coverage remotely resembled the truth.  Maybe some other people are noticing the distinct lack of veracity finally.

    •  I think actually... (4.00)
      the viewership has had to take 2nd jobs after 5 years of their beloved bush.

      LetsFight. re handle: Fight the radical right is the sentiment!

      by letsfight on Wed Mar 01, 2006 at 08:26:55 AM PST

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    •  WCW (4.00)

      [-7.88/-6.67] Forged Demon - Zen Politics

      by sohei on Wed Mar 01, 2006 at 09:26:04 AM PST

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      •  Dammit... sorry. I meant to say: WCW vs. WWF (none)
        It was an on-air rivalry back in 1996-2000 where they took pot-shots at each other all the time. Wrestlers switched companies and bad-mouthed their old employers on air. Announcers made snide remarks about their rivals. Both sides had fanatically loyal followers who accused the others of being deficient, poor quality, and liars. It was a genuine rivalry, as opposed to the staged feuds that usually comprise wrestling. Strangely, it resembled the current political climate in many ways. We even had tons of Web sites similar to blogs biased towards one particular company or the other.

        Ah, those were the days. When I worried more about Hulk Hogan suppressing young talent or X-Pac switch companies than about George Bush establishing a theocratic monarchy and blowing up other countries.

        [-7.88/-6.67] Forged Demon - Zen Politics

        by sohei on Wed Mar 01, 2006 at 09:32:51 AM PST

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        •  Yes I didn't really get into my next thought (none)
          sequence above, but I thought it was pretty nice to harken back to a time when "Cola" wars were the only wars that we were really besieged by.
          •  well there's the endless "war on drugs". (none)
            Which has been even less successful then Iraq if that is possible.

            "Patriotism is loving your country always and your government when it deserves it"-Mark Twain

            by fool me once umm on Wed Mar 01, 2006 at 11:45:06 AM PST

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            •  Yes that war was really fun to watch on (none)
              Miami Vice.  It was never a real war - well except for that time that we went in and kidnapped a foreign leader and brought him to the United States for a drug trial - who says we haven't broken international laws before?  

              Anyhow, except for that it was all Sonny and Rico complete with a White Suit that never got dirty no matter how many boats Sonny dove onto to catch the criminals.

        •  Wrestling fan here (none)
          HA! I know exactly what you mean, having read the Death of WCW. In 1997, WCW was KILLING the WWF and it was a foregone conclusion that Vince McMahon was going to be out of business in no time.

          And in 2001, Vince BOUGHT WCW.

          So Fox may still be the biggest among the news organizations, but that means you only have that much further to fall.

          "Stop comparing Bush to Hitler. Hitler was a decorated war veteran who saw front line combat." - Bill Maher

          by Jank2112 on Wed Mar 01, 2006 at 09:43:06 AM PST

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          •  Saw "Ready to Rumble" (none)
            On TV (again) the other night. I kinda miss those old-school wrestlers...

            So to my friends and my colleagues I say with delight, A merry Christmas to all, and to Bill O'Reilly...Happy Holidays. Congressman John D. Dingell

            by doug r on Thu Mar 02, 2006 at 09:34:28 PM PST

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        •  I respectfully disagree... (none)
          with your analogy. It's not wrestling vs wrestling; it's real sports vs. fake sports. Olbermann is the real sports (journalism), and O'Rielly and his entire network is the fake.

          Fox News should be called The Wrestling Network.

          And then 2/27/33 happened, and that changed everything.

          by Julian on Wed Mar 01, 2006 at 10:22:32 AM PST

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    •  O'Leilly Ratings (none)
      Remember Morton Downey, Jr.?

      And where is he now?

      Same place O'Leilly is going.

  •  hey...give oreilly a break.... (4.00)
    his viewership in the over 65's is still strong. (granted, they can't get up to change the channel)

    LetsFight. re handle: Fight the radical right is the sentiment!

    by letsfight on Wed Mar 01, 2006 at 08:25:50 AM PST

    •  They also (none)
      don't know how to work the remote, or can't read the numbers by the buttons...

      They also might keep hitting the volume when they mean to change the channel.

      •  Watch it. I will be 71 (4.00)
        on Einstein's birthday (3/14), and I can even do href here, so there. Of course, I am also addicted to Olbermann, Stewart, and Colbert and never watch Faux. So there goes that argument:-).

        "That story is not worth the paper it's rotten on."--Dorothy Parker

        by martyc35 on Wed Mar 01, 2006 at 11:25:45 AM PST

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        •  HOLY SHIT! (none)
          Congratulations...or...I'm sorry to hear that.  Whichever you prefer!
        •  So rank the worst presidents you have seen (none)
          in office firsthand. Bush has got to be the top of that sorry list.
           And Happy Birthday!

          "Patriotism is loving your country always and your government when it deserves it"-Mark Twain

          by fool me once umm on Wed Mar 01, 2006 at 11:47:21 AM PST

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          •  Well, (none)
            I was still a kid when Truman dropped the bomb, and I thought that was the first until we emerged from the McCarthy era. Nixon was really the worst, but Reagan gets my lowest marks because he was governor here in CA before going on to the presidency, so I suffered longer under him. I didn't suffer as much as the people in Central America, though. I frankly never thought it could get worse than that until this psycho Bush and his neocon buddies came along. Now, let's get him out of office asap! I told my daughter that I don't have to die happy, but I will hate dying angry. Time to push him out.

            "That story is not worth the paper it's rotten on."--Dorothy Parker

            by martyc35 on Wed Mar 01, 2006 at 04:41:01 PM PST

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            •  Oooh. I AM getting old... (none)
              That should have said "I thought that was the worst..." How I made it the first instead of the worst is unknown to me but an interesting linguistic phenomenon. Not exactly a Spoonerism, but something like Cockney rhyming slang, I think:-).

              "That story is not worth the paper it's rotten on."--Dorothy Parker

              by martyc35 on Wed Mar 01, 2006 at 04:56:00 PM PST

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              •  Reagan became president when I was 10... (none)
                and I have suffered 8 years of him and 9 and counting with Bush I and II. There was a nice 8 years of prosperity and peace in the middle but that seems so long ago now.

                "Patriotism is loving your country always and your government when it deserves it"-Mark Twain

                by fool me once umm on Wed Mar 01, 2006 at 05:57:55 PM PST

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        •  You're my new idol. (none)
          I hope I'm half as cool when I'm 71.

          And on your Parker sig...I fell in love with Jennifer Jason Leigh playing her in Mrs. Parker and the Vicious Circle. One of my favorite Parkerisms was her response to a reporter who asked her what she wanted on her tombstone. She said, "What a morbid question. I think you've won my heart."

          •  Thanks for noticing Dorothy Parker. (none)
            She was great, and I fell in love with her work when I was in college in the early 1950s. My favorite one-liner of all time, though, is actually from Groucho Marx, but it doesn't work to use it here:

            Margaret Dumont, on the dock, about to board the steamship, looks at the luggage and asks Groucho, "Well, do you have everything?"

            Groucho: "Nobody's ever complained."

            "That story is not worth the paper it's rotten on."--Dorothy Parker

            by martyc35 on Wed Mar 01, 2006 at 04:46:00 PM PST

            [ Parent ]

        •  Congrats! (none)
          And you're obviously pretty sharp, since you don't watch Faux and you post here! ;-)
        •  Hey, that's my B-day too! (none)
          In my grammar school there were 3 of us in the same class born on March 14th.  Guess there must've been something in the air in June of 1960.

          Happy birthday to both of us.  

        •  Here's wishing you (none)
          Happy Birthday --a few days early.
  •  This is one of those touchy spots (4.00)
    I sometimes peruse another board just to see what nutjobs are saying (That's both liberal and conservative).  Whenever the subject of ratings comes up all the conservatives start to freak out about how Air America is going to shut down tomorrow.  They then start to gasp and wheeze when confronted with any facts about viewership on Fox.  You'd think Fox was their little sister the way they protect it.  They don't give any accurate ratings, nor do they take into consideration the time it takes for networks to go anywhere.  They also don't seem to think that any business run by a conservative has ever needed a cash infusion at any point in its life.  

    It's pretty amazing really.  

    •  Pfft... (none)
      Everything is a touchy spot with "conservatives."

      [-7.88/-6.67] Forged Demon - Zen Politics

      by sohei on Wed Mar 01, 2006 at 09:35:11 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  Lashed to the mast (none)
      I think this conservative mindset is what explains the drop in FOX's ratings--Dub is sinking like an anvil, and the relentless shilling FN does for the neocons is getting painfully transparent and painful to watch.  The FOX audience will continue to dwindle until it's down to the hardest of the hardcore (assume they last that long).

      I keep wondering what will happen with the FOX coverage of the first Dem president post-Bush, presumably starting in '09.  Will they stick to their nasty habits and look even more insane, or will they suddenly change?  Sucking up to power is much more important to them than is ideological purity, yet I can't imagine FOX turning into Air America TV.

      •  Contrarian times can be beneficial, unfortunately (none)
        If it wasn't for the inexplicable and unappeasable right-wing rage against all things Clinton, Limbaugh might not have gotten his start...

        "Think. It ain't illegal yet." - George Clinton

        by jbeach on Wed Mar 01, 2006 at 05:21:16 PM PST

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  •  Best Guy on TV (4.00)
    Keith Olbermann is just the funniest and smartest guy on TV, period. There is no one else at MSNBC worth watching, since Tweetie went big time suckass.
    (he was really always an asswipe). Cafferty is also pretty cool on CNN. The US media is really an intellectual wasteland. I really can't think of anyone else.
  •  Go Keith!!! (none)
    This feud with Bill O'Reilly is only helping his ratings (and will continue to help his ratings).

    Keith is doing a great job mocking O'Falafel.

    •  O'Reilly jumped the shark (4.00)
      ...well long ago, but officially with David Letterman's smackdown. It was his Tucker Carlson meets Jon Stewart moment. He is going the way of Morton Downey Jr., apparently with all due haste if years too late.

      Next up: Rush! Wife number three has dumped him - it's time for America to give up on his abuse too.

      •  Don't worry (snark) (none)
        There will be someone to replace him.

        Imus begat Morton, who begat Rush, who begat O'Reilly, who begat Tucker, who begat...

        One thing I have noticed about the fickleness of dittoheads and the like, if their god of the day says starts to say something reasonable (like when Morton Downey, Jr. started publicly acknowledging his brother who was gay (and I believe was also HIV+), and that gays should be accepted by their families), the audience quickly abandons them.

        •  well, yeah (none)
          If you're nothing more than a fearmonger, rational ideas don't play well to your audience's tastes.

          Most of our so-called reasoning consists in finding arguments for going on believing as we already do. - James Harvey Robinson

          by pi1304 on Wed Mar 01, 2006 at 09:13:20 AM PST

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    •  Go Bill, Go (4.00)
      O'Reilly sure knows how to choose his feuds. When he got FOXNews to sue Franken for his fair and balanced book title (Lies), it wound up #1 on the best seller list for weeks.

      O'Reilly informing his audience that Keith Olbermann exists is pure stupidity. They will get curious and have a look. Some might just stick around.

      A cat is a camel designed by lobbyists for the hump industry

      by bobinson on Wed Mar 01, 2006 at 09:36:12 AM PST

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    •  LOL The Falafel Fatwa caption they use is (none)

      "Patriotism is loving your country always and your government when it deserves it"-Mark Twain

      by fool me once umm on Wed Mar 01, 2006 at 11:56:01 AM PST

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      •  I love that he ALWAYS (none)
        Shows Coulter wearing an eyepatch (I guess it's an Elle Driver reference)

        So to my friends and my colleagues I say with delight, A merry Christmas to all, and to Bill O'Reilly...Happy Holidays. Congressman John D. Dingell

        by doug r on Thu Mar 02, 2006 at 09:47:54 PM PST

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  •  yeah (none)
    box O'Reilly will sill wave around the fact that he still has more viewers than the other 4 shows combined.
    •  See now (none)
      This is the kind of thing I was talking about upthread.  

      Doesn't O'reilly have a nationally syndicated talk radio show?  Where's Olbermann's show?  

      I'd say that at the moment, it's about trends.  One is trending upwards, the other is trending downwards.  

      •  Yeah...the trends are going Olberman's way (none)
        but thats kinda like saying that some small college is on a bigger roll than Duke because Duke finished 25-5 instead of 28-2 while the small college finished 10-20 intead of 6-24 lol.
        •  Not a fair anaolgy. (4.00)
          Please note that it is only Fox that has declined in every daypart from 3:00pm till midnight. That is more than just a statistical aberration or consequence of scale.
        •  Yes, but... (none)
          wasn't there a time not long ago when the liberal blogosphere was also far behind the conservative one in terms of participants? Now the liberal blogosphere dominates the top slots, starting with this one.

          Of course a big difference between cable and the Internet is that on cable the freedom to grow a movement is restricted, controlled by dumbass producers who are too frightened to put anything on the air thats different. Eg, all the idiots on TV today imitating Bill OReilly, eg, all the stupid reality TV shows imitating each other.

          Getting past this wall is the main issue. But with the dislike of Bush so widespread now, this wall is starting to show some big cracks.

          "My question for today is: Why are contemporary Republicans so full of shit?" ~ Alec Baldwin

          by assyrian64 on Wed Mar 01, 2006 at 09:34:34 AM PST

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        •   I would say (none)
          That the phenomenon of conservative talk radio took decades to get a foothold.  It has done valuable work for liberal media.  

          It's the STarbuck's thing.  Starbucks has been responsible for many, many small coffe shops opening up.  Where Starbucks goes, then right across the street, or down the block, an independent coffee place opens up.

          •  Is that a joke? (none)
            I would have to say that the reality is the opposite. At least in my town, small coffee shops were everywhere and then Starbucks and Peet's moved in. Just like Barne's and Noble and Home Depot.... The big guys move in to take out the little independent business'.
      •  Olbermann has a radio show with Dan Patrick (none)
        but I think it is more of a sports show. I have never heard it but he mentions from time to time on Countdown.

        "Patriotism is loving your country always and your government when it deserves it"-Mark Twain

        by fool me once umm on Wed Mar 01, 2006 at 11:57:20 AM PST

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      •  Keith's smart -- (none)
        he's not going to over-expose himself.

        Oh, but speaking of radio -- a station in Atlanta just picked up ESPN Radio's Dan Patrick Show, which features Keith on with Dan in the second hour. The show that Patrick/Olbermann replaced: Bill O'Reilly.

        Sweeeeet.... :)

        "It's an unnerving thought that we may be the living universe's supreme achievement and its worst nightmare simultaneously." -- Bill Bryson

        by Cali Scribe on Thu Mar 02, 2006 at 12:28:04 AM PST

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  •  ironic (none)
    that he called for Olbermann's head based on poor ratings.
  •  If Fox is down (3.85)
    it's time to kick them. Hard.

    Boycott their advertisers, actively, by writing to the CEOs of companies that support the Nazi Network and let them know that we're not buying their crap because we refuse to see our hard-earned dollars go to through their hands to Rupert Murdoch's.

    Vote with your wallet, always.

    Al Qeada is a faith-based initiative.

    by drewfromct on Wed Mar 01, 2006 at 08:29:50 AM PST

  •  Hardball beating Countdown? (none)
    Pretty disappointing that Tweety beat Keith in February.
    •  Keep in mind the time slots (none)
      Keith is on at 8pm EST, that's prime time, so most viewers are elsewhere. Hardball airs at 5 PM, a news slot, and 7 PM, the dinner-time wasteland. Out on the West Coast, Keith is on at 5 PM (news slot) and Tweety is on at 2 PM and 4 PM, hardly prime time. So it would be interesting to see a breakdown by time-zone.

      I'm a linguist, licensed to use words any way I want to!

      by MakeChessNotWar on Wed Mar 01, 2006 at 07:51:32 PM PST

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  •  It's amazing what happens to Greta... (4.00)
    ...without a pretty, young white girl's death to exploit.
  •  Olbermann's slash-and-burn routine (4.00)
    He did a serious number on Britt Hume last night, much the same as the repeated jaw-shots he laid on Falafel Boy over the Holiday Follies. Caught Hume in midstream hypocritical floor-pissing on the WPitW segment. Almost felt sorry for that mouth-breathing asshole.
  •  unfortunately (4.00)
    Even though Olbermann is on the way up and O'Reilly is on the way down, the bottom line still shows O'Reilly dominating. O'Reilly still gets 2.2 million viewers to Olbermann's 0.4.

    In fact, going down the line to all the shows, I'm shocked at how much FOX is kicking ass in the ratings. They're winning every single time slot handily. It's really pretty revolting, although it does help explain why 40% of people still like Bush.

    How do we break this stranglehold? As long as people keep watching FOX in these kind of numbers, we're toast. :(

    "This...this is the fault of that Clinton Penis! And that powermongering wife of his!"

    by CaptUnderpants on Wed Mar 01, 2006 at 08:37:59 AM PST

    •  elderly audience (4.00)
      O'Reilly's audience is quite elderly, median age is 68 or something like that.  Olbermann pointed that out recently, saying most of the Fox audience is near death, or something like that.  You'd think most corporate advertisers who are supposed to care about age demographics would demand a better targeted newscast.  Which is why it's fair game to discuss and point out.

      Since they don't care about this elderly audience as a commercial value, it's obvious that they care more about the pushing the progaganda.  

      •  Also, when you consider that FOX 'News' gets piped (none)
        into ALL federal government office and military televisions across the globe, that might have something to do with the numbers as well.

        They might have the most TVs carrying the channel, but that doesn't mean all government and military employees are necessarily paying attention to all their blathering.

      •  68 is elderly? n/t (none)

        Against silence. Which is slavery. - Czeslaw Milosz

        by Caneel on Wed Mar 01, 2006 at 10:33:36 AM PST

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        •  68 is elderly (none)
          to corporate advertisers it is.  To all those people doing yoga and drinking green tea, 68 is the new 48.
        •  For advertisers, Yes. (4.00)
          [Someone who works full-time in the industry, feel free to correct.]

          Advertisers want a specific set of factors, which make advertising worthwhile:

          • people with some money.

          • people without preconceived notions of what they like/want/prefer

          • people without bullshit filters

          The sweet spot for most advertisers is 18-25, second is adolescents, third is kids (though they have to hope for parents who will concede to whining).  Then the 26-34 and 35-44 (this is the big car-commercial demographic, and travel too).

          People past 65 may travel more, or not.  But they tend to have pretty ingrained brand loyalty (my schwägervater still drives a Caddy) and are unlikely to be influenced by advertising for products they are used to.  New products aimed at the elderly are, by and large, depressing.

          Has anyone analyzed the commercials carried on the respective shows?  Is O'Reilly mostly scooter chair and medforhome commercials?  

        •  68 is the median (none)
          so half of O'Reilly's viewers are over 68... making a significant number pretty old.
    •  Ahoy Cap'n (4.00)
      It's not as bad as you think.  Keep in mind that these statistics split CNN and Headline News.  If you combine them, Fox's lead nearly evaporates.

      Take the "prime" numbers for the 25-54 age group.

      CNN + HLN in February 05 was 184+76 = 260

      FOX was 437

      That's a lead of 177, meaning FOX had a lead of 68% over CNN+HLN

      In February 06:

      CNN + HLN = 190+122 = 312
      FOX = 344

      That's a lead of 32, meaning FOX had a lead of 10% over CNN+HLN.

      Seeing your market share lead over a competitor go from 68% to 10% in one year would not make any business owner happy.  This is very bad news for Fox, and good news for America.

      Why? because the less pervasive Fox's influence is, the more chance -- although I'll agree it's a matter of degree -- that the average American Joe or Jane will be misled by their lies.  And - as Fox loses popularity perhaps other media outlets will feel less pressure to mimic its Republican echo chamber style.

      This is good news.

      •  You know what I'd like to know? (none)
        How many people have had to give up cable because they can't afford it any longer, or their house got destroyed in the hurricanes.

        THAT would be interesting...

        •  Funny you mention it! (none)
          The last time I could afford a dish/cable was when we had a president who knew how to run an economy that benefitted most Americans- Bill Clinton! Funny how now I'm carrying a sack lunch to work all week because I only have $20 to my name until payday.
      •  I choose to believe (none)
        that people are actually changing the channel.  Changing from faux to, well gee, anything else.  At least there's hope that the truth is chipping away at the darkness.  This is exactly what the recent polls indicate too, the winds are changing and many are finding themselves downwind of the pile of crap that is the bush administration.

        -5.0,-5.54 "Much Madness is divinest sense - to a discerning eye - Much sense, the starkest madness..." Emily Dickinson

        by SherriG on Wed Mar 01, 2006 at 07:31:35 PM PST

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    •  exactly (none)
      The trends are nice but looking at the numbers Keith not only gets clobbered by O'Liely he is in 4th place in his time slot behind Zahn, and "everyone is guilty cause I say so" Nancy Grace.

      In fact Grace cleans house on the trend lines too. THAT is where O'Liely's audience is going, not to Keith.

    •  Fox viewers (none)
      Isn't the main reason Fox's ratings are so high that the paranoid Republicans who watch it refuse to watch any other news channel for fear of being indoctrinated with ever so ubiquitous liberal propaganda? Less insane people are likely to switch from CNN to MSNBC to their local networks or whatever.

      Off topic, It pisses me off when I hear Fox News described as a "conservative" network. Lou Dobbs could probably be described as a conservative; he has an ideology to which he remains consistent. Fox is strictly partisan propaganda. If it really were conservative they would be up in arms over the unprecedented deficit, porous borders and the continuing domination of the federal over the state governments that have marked Bush's presidency.

  •  Olbermann is smarter and more (4.00)
    intelligent than anybody else on television with the possible exception of Jon Stewart and Steven Colbert.  I am addicted to his sassiness.  I just wonder what happened when he was working at FAUX that caused this public display of irony.  I am reasonably sure that he started the "Worst Person in the World" segment just to be able to point out the hypocrisy of that worthless network.  Of course, this makes ME the Worst Person in the World because I have never even watched FAUX.  I just listen to Stephanie, Keith, et al discuss the hypocrisy and I totally buy in to it.  ;-D
  •  Just watch the trends (4.00)
    ... and let them do their work.

    I can guarantee you that's what the major buyers are starting to do. Overalls and eyeballs are not always the story. Smart buyers are going to get out during the slide because they know that an uptrend is a rich pool to fish in and that a downtrend has a lot of weeds and stagnant water in it.

    Few ad buyers can afford to let ideology intrude on their decisions; it's all cold calculation, stat-mongering and market savvy.

    •  yes (4.00)
      More important than numbers are the demographics, which is why media buyers focus more on who the audience is than how many (how many is important too, but the who will tell you your true ROI).

      It would be interesting to see the demographics of the respective audiences. If Olbermann has a significantly better demographic, then ad time on his show could easily match O'Reilly's in value.

      All this said, however, Randi Rhodes has the keenest insight into why the media are GOP-dominated: because the GOP delivers the kind of cartel-like playing field that Big Media players want. Free markets are for losers when you can have fascist oligopolies.

      •  However... (4.00)
        There is a market there.  Look at the number of hits that Kos gets on a daily basis - from 600k to 750k per day on average.  Look at the latest numbers in LA for right-wing radio and then look at the growth for Air America.  I'm not saying that the media will all-of-a-sudden turn left.  What I am saying is that there is definitely and underserved market.  With good demographics.  That spend money.  Somebody will want to tap into that market.  It is one of the few things that give me hope.

        "[A] 'Sharecropper's Society' [is] precisely where our trade policies, supported by Republicans and Democrats alike, are taking us." - Warren Buffet

        by RichM on Wed Mar 01, 2006 at 09:22:43 AM PST

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  •  What were the total viewership numbers? (none)
    Can you compare each cable news network, including Fox, to total numbers watching? What are the total number of viewers for O'Reilly compared to Olberman?

    Enjoy reading The Proxies, a free crime thriller in short story form.

    by maynard on Wed Mar 01, 2006 at 08:49:09 AM PST

    •  February network viewership breakdown (none)
      Here's what I got from the good folks over at TVnewser. They have all the ratings breakdowns you could ever want!

      Total day '06: FNC: 855,000 / CNN: 426,000 / MSNBC: 273,000 / HLN: 224,000 / CNBC: 202,000
      Total day '05: FNC: 818,000 / CNN: 382,000 / MSNBC: 197,000 / HLN: 210,000 / CNBC: 134,000
      % change: FNC: +5% / CNN: +12% / MSNBC: +39% / HLN: +7% / CNBC: +51%

      Prime '06: FNC: 1,483,000 / CNN: 656,000 / MSNBC: 357,000 / HLN: 347,000 / CNBC: 164,000
      Prime '05: FNC: 1,569,000 / CNN: 637,000 / MSNBC: 289,000 / HLN: 201,000 / CNBC: 120,000
      % change: FNC: -5% / CNN: +3% / MSNBC: +24% / HLN: +73% / CNBC: +37%

      -5.50,-4.51 ...whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it...

      by megs on Wed Mar 01, 2006 at 01:47:07 PM PST

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  •  What My Friend Who Dealt With Fox Told Me (4.00)
    A friend of mine (who will remain nameless) was the press liason for one of the military brigades in Iraq.  

    He was ultra-conservative before going to Iraq, now he's toned down quite a bit since then.  However, he told me of all the news people he delath with, the American networks, Al-Jazeera, the Eurpopean news agencies, etc. FOX News was by far the worst and most inaccurate.  They actually tried to coach him into giving good news and he had to grab their reporters from time to time and tell them that what they reported was not what he said and he wanted it known before somebody accused him of making up news stories.

    He's an attractice guy and even one time, one of the reporters, while my friend's wife was on the other line (so to speak) and about to get interviewed for one of those Christmas Greetings things, she actually propositioned him to go out after and told him they could have a good time!

    Eventually, he came back and got an offer from FOX, which he turned down.  He's still rabidly conservative, and so is his wife, but he has come a long long way towards the light.

    •  Fox reporters (none)
      Illuminating story, a hideous Fox corporate whore propositioning a military officer.  You'd expect this type of amoral personality at Fox News, sleazy, on the make, anything-for-a-buck type of people.
  •  I'm one of that 55% (4.00)
    I started watching Countdown very recently, and it's become one of my favorite shows. Olbermann is everything a journalist should be. He embraces the idea of reporting the news as a human being, complete with humor, common sense, and personality, while not sacrificing integrity and truth. This is what journalism was like in the days of Ben Franklin, and the days of Mark Twain.

    "Never let your sense of morals prevent you from doing what is right." - Salvor Hardin

    by Zackpunk on Wed Mar 01, 2006 at 09:13:12 AM PST

  •  Fox Sucks (4.00)
    I work at a corporation with a big cafeteria and in the center there are two tv's that used to show CNN Headline News.  

    Suddenly about a month ago the channels were changed to FOX and I now find myself eating faster and returning to my desk early just to get away from the TV.  There is nothing worse than their mid-day "news models" going on and on about topics the know nothing about.  I'm wondering if the company didn't change the programming on purpose to make people get back to work.

    Needless to say I plan to continue complaining until someone changes the channel to something less mindless.

    (if by "criminalization of politics" you mean politics being taken over by criminals, you are absolutely correct)

    by Drezden on Wed Mar 01, 2006 at 09:14:54 AM PST

    •  Dude I complained at my University (4.00)
      The had it all on Fox...I thought that nothing would change b/c I thought they made a deal.  But it turned out that it was just one person who happened to be a wingnut had control of the clicker for the cafeteria.  Once a few complaints came in they varied the newscasts from day to day.  Which is all I wanted anyway.

      Surprising what  you can affect.

    •  Change 'em back (none)
      Or at least one...that would make for an interestingly segregated cafeteria.  As someone said, it could be just one person that changed it and nobody has questioned it.  

      Fire Halliburton! -me, because I'm pissed damnit

      by LeighAnn on Wed Mar 01, 2006 at 09:36:31 AM PST

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      •  Hey (none)
        Just got back from lunch and on one of the FOX shows they were taking questions from the audience when someone asked a critical question about Bush trying to hide something.

        They stopped to point out that the question was from a Canadian audience member.  Whew! I was worried there for a second.

        (if by "criminalization of politics" you mean politics being taken over by criminals, you are absolutely correct)

        by Drezden on Wed Mar 01, 2006 at 10:29:19 AM PST

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    •  change (4.00)
      A couple of Christmas's ago I was staying at a hotel that had a TV going non-stop in the lounge.  Their morning breakfast set-up was in a corner of that room, facing the TV.  I came down for breakfast that first morning and FOX was blaring on the tube.  I sat there angrily eating my bagel when I came up with a brilliant idea. Ask them to change the channel.  I did and, whola, they changed it.

      Keep complaining.  The squeaky wheel gets the grease.  

      •  Theres (4.00)
        a guy that sells these little keychains called tv-be-gone that are capable of shutting off any tv set or monitor no matter what the make/model is.

        I've thought about getting one to use in case of any  "all fox" emergency.

        (if by "criminalization of politics" you mean politics being taken over by criminals, you are absolutely correct)

        by Drezden on Wed Mar 01, 2006 at 12:15:24 PM PST

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  •  Huh? (none)
    The table you references shows that O'Reilley is on twice each weeknight and that more total people watched his show in 2/06 than in 2/05.  His 8PM Eastern audience dropped and his 11PM Eastern increased.  The total was just slightly larger.  I have no idea what this is due to.  The Olympics? American Idol?  Seems like it has more to do with what else is on and when folks watch the program.  For some reason the same folks must have chosen to watch it at the later time.  Strange.
  •  An alternate theory (none)
    Has anyone considered that Fox News ratings are down because the broadcast networks and CNN have gone so far to the right that Bush supporters no longer have to stay glued to Fox to get their propaganda?

    Man will occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of the time he will pick himself up and continue on. --Winston Churchill

    by rmwarnick on Wed Mar 01, 2006 at 09:18:09 AM PST

    •  Well no (none)
      because some people on CNN and msnbc have broken their chain and started doing some 'hard hitting' stories.  That's why they are changing the channel.

      Yeah cnn and msnbc keep dabbling in the sycophantic crap but that's not what's grabbing the attention.  Fox is one stop shopping for all the sheeps needs.

      However if CNN were to only do objective reporting from now on the news would be so sensational that they would take all the ratings.  Seriously, because the truth that is out there is like a 1000 car wrecks.

  •  Remember its Fox not Facts (none)
    Lets not congratulate ourselves yet. We have a long way to go before this evil beast is dead
  •  Oh Bill, I just fel afel about the whole thing (none)
    Maybe you should remain aloofa the press.
  •  Excellent:) (none)
    Since I got my TiVo...I've been rewarding some with ratings and punishing others...I'm glad to see that my efforts...along with others, are working:)
  •  The Bad News (none)
    The bad news is that Nancy Grace has gained enormous popularity, according to these data.  I fear for the soul of America.
    •  Just wait... (4.00)
      I wonder what will happen when her viewers learn she's a damn liar who made up much of her backstory?

      [-7.88/-6.67] Forged Demon - Zen Politics

      by sohei on Wed Mar 01, 2006 at 09:48:12 AM PST

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      •  Thank you (none)
        For posting this link.  I think we need a diary just on this story.  Nancy Grace is a Bill O'Reilly type who constantly attacks our criminal justice system.  The fact that she is on the record in so many venues including her book, flat out lying about her back story is unbelieveable, especially where it is so easy to disprove almost every word she has said about this past incident involving her fiance.  If any Kossacks have not read this story linked above, please do.  It is mind boggling how much of a liar she is.
    •  That's what I thought too (none)
      And I'd add the abrams report to that list also. It sort of reminds me of the Colbert Report, except it's not as funny.

      Democrats -- Progress for the Working Class

      by rogun on Wed Mar 01, 2006 at 05:15:07 PM PST

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  •  These are the symptoms (none)
    of a truth-starved nation.

    "In a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

    by Five of Diamonds on Wed Mar 01, 2006 at 09:24:02 AM PST

  •  I've said before . . . (4.00)
    and I guess I'll say it again. What Keith Olbermann's doing with is O'Reilly reports is a 21-century, regrettably a bit tabloid, version of what Murrow did with McCarthy. He's outing a demagogue to millions of viewers who, having the good sense not to watch Fox, aren't fully aware of the vileness Bill spews.

    Don't ask me nothin' 'bout nothin'; I just might tell you the truth -- Bob Dylan

    by ponderer on Wed Mar 01, 2006 at 09:25:23 AM PST

  •  Also, just say... (4.00)
    "Please change the channel" whenever you're in a bar or other public place and they've got Fox "news" on the tube.

    I always do that (and I spend a lot of time in bars ;^), and I've only had one refusal. In that instance, I said, "OK" and went to a different bar.

    Last night was typical - Fox "news" was on with captions, and I asked the bartender is he could change it to something else, specifically "Any channel where I don't have to look at Brit Hume."

    He smiled and said "Absolutely!" and switched over to ESPN (always a good bet).

    So remember folks - get your local bartender to change the channel tonight!

    "...psychopaths have little difficulty infiltrating the domains of...politics, law enforcement, (and) government." Dr. Robert Hare

    by RubDMC on Wed Mar 01, 2006 at 09:33:03 AM PST

    •  This is the best comment in the diary. (4.00)
      Absolutely - vote with your dollars and your feet. Consistently, over time, these are the best things you can do. You will always have this power, USE IT.

      by Bensch on Wed Mar 01, 2006 at 11:13:10 AM PST

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  •  The problem for Faux is that sooner or later (none)
    folks really do figure they need to hear more about the bombings and killings than about the school paintings. They've finally underestimated the intelligence of their audience, and that was pretty damn hard to do.

    -6.88/-5.64 * You know what's happening. Fight it.

    by John West on Wed Mar 01, 2006 at 09:38:00 AM PST

  •  Take the opportunity and hit them now! (4.00)
    In this context it would be a good time to plug my latest diary covering how we can target the advertisers who sponsor the worst of Fox and MSNBC programming. Please visit my diary, where I list actions and addresses to write to, and include this ratings free fall in your letters to advertisers.

    Don't hold back. Tell the advertisers how you feel. And for those who think threatened boycotts don't work, I address that in my diary as well!

  •  It figures... (none)
    ...since I've taken nearly every news channel off of my TV (nice to add and delete channels like that), but since this MSNBC guy might be entertaining, I'll see if I can tune him on.

    Haw haw to O'Reilly.  Guess he'll have to go back to Inside Edition and make up more stuff about winning awards.

  •  KO Rocks (4.00)
    Let's hope MSNBC will consider dumping Rita, Tucker and Joe, and give us Eric Alterman and Molly Ivins.

    I always like to look at these numbers as "FNC" versus "non-FNC". When you do that, Fox doesn't look nearly as dominating -- although they clearly win the ratings battles against individual shows during prime-time.

    Although the FNC numbers are down a bit, I still think they'll be #1 for quite a while. The Republican Party is not a poltical party -- it is a cult. And the Fox News Channel's mission, simply put, is to provide the Kool-Aid.

    No one tunes into FNC for news. People tune in because they've bought into a bargain -- You (the viewer) give us the ratings point and we (FNC) will tell you exactly what you're dying to hear and will do everything in our power to reinforce your beliefs -- even if those beliefs are absolute bullshit.

    It's not a news channel. It's hug therapy with fancy graphics. It's a home. You open the door, and Mom is standing in the kitchen with a big smile while whipping up a huge portion of hate, fear and -- most importantly -- ignorance.

    Olbermann comes from a sports background where little things like facts (won-loss records, batting averages, names and dates, etc) actually matter. He carries that discipline over to his news coverage, and I wish there were more like him.

    There's a lesson to be learned from the rise of Olbermann and Dobbs. Strength breeds strength. Courage breeds courage. Standing up to power and speaking the truth actually inspires people. Maybe a few Senate Democrats should start learning that lesson.

    I'm a man who discovered the wheel and built the Eiffel Tower out of metal and brawn -- Ron Burgundy

    by IndyScott on Wed Mar 01, 2006 at 09:41:59 AM PST

  •  Whodathunk (none)
    that if you take the news out of the news, some people might stop watching?

    And the 2+ million that still watch just goes to show that for most people, the news was never about the news.

    I carried water for the elephant; Back and forth to the well I went; My arms got sore and my back got bent; But I couldn't fill up that elephant

    by Sylvester McMonkey Mcbean on Wed Mar 01, 2006 at 09:43:42 AM PST

  •  Now this is the true thermometer (none)
    of the political health and sustainability of this country. Once people start putting down the Kool-Aid, they start looking for answers..

    ..and our voice gets louder..

    ..and the people prevail. Although we all know too many people that have fallen victim to the mob mentality of Republicans, we must still remember that once they figure out they were in the wrong they are on our side.

    Spread the word: "No More Cleverberry FOX flavored Kool-Aid!"

  •  Can MSNBC hire Aaron Brown? (4.00)
    replace the shemale at 9:00?
  •  A Bad Month (none)
    Let's not forget that February was a terrible month for the Bush administration.  Most people who watch Fox watch it to feel good about their own beliefs.  There wasn't much to go around the past 4 weeks on that front. Also, the other networks MILKED the Cheney story while Fox tried to downplay it, except for the Hume interview.  Cheney Shootd Dude in Face was great for ratings, especially among Non-Republicans.

    "I say unto you, in as much ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me." Jesus of Nazareth

    by Spider Stumbled on Wed Mar 01, 2006 at 09:48:30 AM PST

  •  Using their own medicine against them (none)
    and loving it:

    We need to say,

    "the low ratings of the conservative biased media, along with the growth few somewhat liberal-minded exceptions like Olbermann's and Jon Stewart's shows that normal mainstream Americans are tired of the pervasive, elitist conservative biased and are desperate for something that reflects their true, populist, liberal, tolerant, American, patriotic values."

    A great reversal of what we less legimately heard so often from them about the traditional "liberal" media versus the rise of the righties in the 90's and early 00's.

    Check out my lte archive at and feel free to use my ideas for your own lte's.

    by DemDachshund on Wed Mar 01, 2006 at 09:51:49 AM PST

  •  It's Great that O'Reilly has gone down (none)
    But sickening that Tweety has gone up so much ...
  •  Greta is a waste of space (none)
    She hardly covers anything of national significance.  Her entire show revolves around the worst sort of tabloid journalism that preys on the subliminal racism of america.  She exploits the tragedy of a local news story of a middle class, young, white, attractive girl who is missing/dead harping on and on about it as if it had national significance.  Black, hispanic, poor, old, or overweight women apparrently aren't worth her time.  I can't stand that racist (and the way she decides what is newsworthy is racist), exploitive, racist (I know I already mentioned this but she's so racist this needs to be mentioned twice), corpsefaced bigot (okay, three times).  Her face looks like it belongs on a corpse the way the botox makes it not move when she talks.  Should call her Greta Van Frankenstein.  Anyways, you get the idea.  She's a disgusting piece of garbage.

    Fight global warming. Be a pirate.

    by Orangebeard on Wed Mar 01, 2006 at 09:56:44 AM PST

  •  Metrics and Perspective. (none)
    To me, the important matchup is O'Reilly v. Olbermann.  It's the only clear cut head-to-head Liberal vs. Conservative Matchup and I just really fucking hate Bill O'Reilly.  One Year ago O'Reilly had 2,391,000 viewers to Kieth's 289,000. That is a ratio of 8.3 to one.  Now the ratio is down to 5.6 to one.  In the money demographic the ratio one year ago was 5.6 to one and now is 2.8 to one.  So it will be a long time before Keith catches Bill but the people at Fox "News" Channel have to be concerned.

    "I say unto you, in as much ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me." Jesus of Nazareth

    by Spider Stumbled on Wed Mar 01, 2006 at 09:57:02 AM PST

  •  tucker up (none)
     tucker carlson even though his ratings suck gets about 3 times the rating they had using reruns.i was hoping msnbc could dump him. actually msnbc has probably taken some of foxes audiance because
    of their  turn to the right, sad to is waning because people are just sick of their constant rage at the left when we have this idiot as president.still they may be down but they still have big numbers.
  •  Fire O'Reilly petition (none)
    still active and a nice dovetail to this particular diary.

    Sign the petition addressed to Roger Ailes

    790 signatures so far.  I've offered Countdown the opportunity to deliver it to Mr. Ailes (I won't hold my breath).

  •  John Kerry shoulda done an Olbermann on Bush. (4.00)
    I've been saying forever that the way the Democrats overcome their weak image is to go after the bullies. Making fun of them works real well. If Kerry had called Bush on his stupidity instead of politley not mentioning it he would have won.

    O'Reilly is a perfect stand-in for Bush. Now who's gonna be our Olbermann?

    "Politics is the entertainment arm of Industry." - Zappa

    by CheeseMoose on Wed Mar 01, 2006 at 10:19:18 AM PST

  •  This is GOOD F'N NEWS (none)

    I hope somebody gives Rachel Maddow or Ed shultz or Randi Rhodes a show

  •  They are exhausting (none)
    To be constantly angry and arguing is very tiring and many people will realize that listening to that crap is not helpful.  Except for the diehard fighters, most people don't want to get angry every day.  We just want some straight information without the emotion.  I think Faux News shows will wear out its viewers.
  •  No more FOX at the Dentist (none)
    I switched dentist's last year.  Everytime I needed to go, FOX was on in the waiting room.  I would quietly change the channel when I saw it on.  No one asked why but if they had asked, I would have said that FOX is too violent and scary.  
    ANNNNYWAY, today I went back for my crown and found, voila!, no FOX news.  Yep, they had ABC or some such silly morning nonsense.  
    So, someone in the office figured they'd had enuf FOX and that's a good thing because it can be worse than a root canal.  

    -3.63, -4.46 "Choose something like a star to stay your mind on- and be staid"

    by goldberry on Wed Mar 01, 2006 at 10:39:21 AM PST

  •  Nancy Grace is a (none)
    fucking liar! my next blog topic. btw when i'm at the gym , the attendent hottie immediately switches over to ESPN from the F-word network because i told her i would change gyms if i had to do a one hour workout with a personal trainer at $60/hr while listening to that crap.Sometimes it pays to be an ass !!

    A hungry man is a angry man.

    by blacklib on Wed Mar 01, 2006 at 10:41:16 AM PST

  •  As Bush goes down (34% approval)... (none)
    so goes FOX...
    •  Exactly! (none)
      I liken this to a sports analogy: when the home team is in last place, people don't tune in as much.  They find other things to do with their time.
    •  Exactly! That is the bargain they made! (none)
      They bet the farm on the permanent dominance of the Rethugs.  Once the GOP is out of power, Fox will be reduced to the shrill minority they were before.  And frankly, they'll be happier (except for the corporate side), because they like being embattled.
  •  I stopped watching them even as an emetic (none)
    Big Bill = The Peter Principle in action Unfair and Biased is their mantra right? I also don't buy from their sponsors. The dial flys right on by most of the time so I may not always know who is sponsoring them, but once it fixes in my mind I will truly not buy from folks that support OReilly's hatred and venom.
  •  The conblogs and conradio are suffering, too (none)
    The conblogs peaked around November of 2004 and have been losing audiences ever since, even as the liberal part of the blogosphere's been growing in almost Malthusian spurts.

    Same with hate radio.  Ratings for RW haters, both nationally and locally, are down across the country. Hell, Rush Limbaugh was DROPPED by KSTP-AM, and they  were one of his first big stations outside of San Francisco.  (He's now on a much smaller station that's blowing its ad budget for the decade on billboards for him.  It's not helping.)

  •  Time for Bill (none)
    to start talking about the War Against Easter.
  •  Rove and the Dark and Corporate Forces will (none)
    simply catapult the propaganda over to MSNBC/CNN, NPR/PBS, and the NYT/WaPo/AP/regular network news. Get ready for just a change of direction and intensity of the incoming Bush regime bull-shit.
  •  The reason for the falling FOX numbers (none)
    I e-mailed friends saying this would happen after a recent talk with My Mother, the Religious Right.  Her behavior is an invariable predictor of that vast (but, it seems, shrinking) swath of society that we at DKos have such difficulty understanding.  A month ago she, normally a FOX News junky, said, "I rarely watch news on TV anymore.  It's all so bad."  I can imagine that given the administration's mind-boggling dissaray since Katrina, the deteriorating situation in Iraq and Bush's falling poll numbers, even FOX news would indeed seem bad to the kind of die-hard partisan Republican my mother represents.  
  •  Don't Get too excited (none)
    I wouldn't make too big a deal out of this, considering more people still watch Fox News than CNN, MSBC and CNBC COMBINED.  A small slide in ratings may have occurred, but Fox News is still the dominant voice for cable news by far.

    I think the real story in these ratubgs is the rise of MSNBC at the expense of CNN.  CNN is in total freefall right now, and their programming lineup is a disaster.  I'm counting the days until Jon Klein gets fired.

  •  How the nitwits will parse it... (none)
    "In a comparison with February 2005, the numbers for every network are up except for Fox. "

    That will tell every other network that their rightward, sucking up to the White House moves in order to take some of Fox's share have worked and so they will do MORE of it.

    •  True (none)
      I wonder how much of the other networks rise is due to them copying the Fox News approach and thus winning over some new viewers who like the Fox News model better.

      Probably no way to seperate that from people tuning in for other reasons.

    •  That is, sadly, a very real possibility. (none)
      The morons programming TV think the reason Fox is successful is because they are conservative. That is just the shallowest analysis possible.

      The real reason Fox is successfeul is because its confrontational. Conflict = drama. Drama is entertaining and that's why people watch. Its not a news channel - Its an entertainment channel based on a talk-radio format.

  •  I /am/ serious (none)
    Honest to god.  Comedy Central on Comcast in Saint Paul, Minneosta.  TDS at 7 p.m., Colbert at 7:30 p.m. Repeat from the night before.  And I believe there are other repeats during daytime hours. I don't know what's on at that time where you are, but where I am, this is the schedule. Conflicts with Olbermann, alas.
  •  Couldn't happen (none)
    To a nicer bunch of scumbags.  I hope the office parties at Faux News are suitably gloomy -- and that the same parties elsewhere have a suitable quality of triumph.  Go, Keith, go!
  •  question (none)
    where does the falafel thing come from for o'really??  what is the falafel origin (or gyro which some also refer to here)
  •  if i were a sheep and i had awoken to the fact (none)
    that the cons were screwing up my country not to mention my children's future, i would not care to watch their bullshit anymore. hey greta, guess what we are sorry about ms holloway, but your ghoulish ongoing attention does not serve her memory or the needs of the average american.
  •  You know what I've noticed with FOX? (none)
    In the last few days they seem to be more "moderate" -- that is to say... not complete Bush worshippers.

    Heck, you might even say there were close to fair and balanced.  I heard differing opinions from guests and Democrats were not mocked at every opportunity.

    Hmmm... and then O'Reilly was attacking Keith Olbermann which was hilarious.  It tells me that they smell blood in the water (Bush is the chum) and they don't want to get swallowed up by the reality-based competition at CNN (as of late)

    Don't worry, be happy. We're all gonna die anyway.

    by diplomatic on Wed Mar 01, 2006 at 12:55:37 PM PST

  •  Page views at most RW blogs are down too. (4.00)
    Meanwhile, DKos and DU continue to gain in the on-line rankings.

    Bush-Cheney continue their free-fall in approval ratings.

    There are several indications of is an across-the-board sea change in public opinion.

  •  I'm sure they're important for the ad rate (none)
    But in the context of this thread, I was just wondering in aggregate how many viewers see each individual Stewart and Colbert show.  
  •  It's not a feud, it's a one-way massacre! (none)
    The growing feud between Bill and Keith is something unique in commercial television.

    It's overstating things to call this a feud, which I think of as a battle that goes on and on because the sides are evenly matched and each sees themselves as a victim entitled to seek revenge.  The sides couldn't be more unequal -- Olberman is intentionally and intensely witty, O'Reilly is an unintional, cluless clown.  And while O'Reilly is openly pissed off at Olberman, Keith LOVES O'Reilly's hilarious pomposity.    

    This petition nonsense is a classic.  No one seriously thinks that O'Reilly cares about the ratings at MSNBC (or for that matter any other competitor) And the tone of the petition is O'Reilly's usual mix of self-importance and childishness.  My favorite touch is how O'Reilly never mentions Olberman or his show by name.  I admit, I used to do this sort of thing when I was angry at someone -- but then I graduated junior high school and never looked back.

    In turn, the petition inspired some of Olberman's best material, topped with that wonderful bit of everyone at MSNBC signing the petition.

    I can't believe that it hasn't occurred to O'Reilly that every time he whines about Olberman, he gives Keith more material.  But O'Reilly is so thin skinned, he apparently can't help himself.  In fairness, though, Olberman can't help himself either -- O'Reilly is such an irresitable target.

    By the way, you can sign that petition with any made up silly name you like, over and over and over... not that I am saying any should do something that awful... ly fun.

    Now for a really great "feud," listen to old recordings of the faux feud of Fred Allen and Jack Benny.

    Allen:  You couldn't improvise a burb at a Hungarian banquet!

    Benny:  You wouldn't say that if my writers were here!  

    And by the way, the name of that other show on Fox is Hannity and Wuss.

    Fox News - We Distort, You Imbibe.

    by richter on Wed Mar 01, 2006 at 02:33:54 PM PST

    •  You're right it's not a fair fight (none)
      not to mention Olbermann isn't even fighting, since he's got nothing to lose (in fact, the more O'Reilly complains, the safer Olbermann's program becomes). And the "return Donahue" as opposed to "cancel Countdown" approach is more pathetic than it is sneaky.

      As far as ratings are concerned, of course trends mean more than the numbers themselves. But it's not how high are the numbers so much as are they high enough. After all, if Olbermann were to go something would have to replace him. Rest assured, it wouldn't be Donahue.

      •  You're right about the ratings (none)
        Also, the actual number of viewers -- well, to be precise, sets in use -- often don't matter as much as the demogrpahic of the audience.  For instance, the leading soap opera in the ratings for many years now is "The Young and the Restless," but it is frequently bested in the key demographic of women 18-49, who are viewed as the primary consumers of the beauty and household products advertised on these shows.  Olberman's response to O'Reilly included a reference to the median age of their reespective viewerships, with Olberman pointing out that Countdown's audience was ten years younger than the Factor's.  This wasn't ageist tweaking, it was a reference to how the industry reads the numbers.

        I can't imagine that MSNBC is anything but happy with Olberman, so in addition to being pathetic, O'Reilly's petition is based on a fallacy... but this being Bill, that's no surprise.

        Best Olberman O'Reilly joke ever:

        "Can we just drop the whining about personal attacks, Billy? I mean, without personal attacks, you would be a mime."

        Fox News - We Distort, You Imbibe.

        by richter on Wed Mar 01, 2006 at 05:17:00 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

    •  Last fall (none)
      Keith was on "The Tonight Show" and Jay Leno asked him if there was a "feud" between him and O'Reilly. Keith's response: "There's no feud...I just don't like the guy." Very matter of fact -- and priceless.

      Oh, and according to Keith, the reason O'Reilly won't say his name on the air...he mispronouced it "OlberMON" the one time he said it. Maybe he thought  Keith was from Jamaica... ;)

      "It's an unnerving thought that we may be the living universe's supreme achievement and its worst nightmare simultaneously." -- Bill Bryson

      by Cali Scribe on Thu Mar 02, 2006 at 12:37:51 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  brain washed by asswipes (none)
    I am so thankful not to have cable television so I have never watched that network (Fox) or any of those shows.  It sounds like a science fiction horror story where millions of unsuspecting people spend hours and hours listening to the manipulative propoganda.  It actually reminds me of the "moonie" cults, where the followers need to be, um, deprogrammed to return to normal life.

    We have some toxic clean-up to do, since so many of our citizens have been pumped up with lies and hatred.  These guys rate second only to some of the muslim clerics.  Or maybe they are in first place for inciting a whole country on a suicide mission.

    The force of public opinion cannot be resisted when permitted freely to be expressed. Thomas Jefferson

    by Thea VA on Wed Mar 01, 2006 at 02:37:03 PM PST

  •  the sound you hear (none)
    Is a few million eyes opening at once...

    Steal the P! Steal the P! The Missing p Project

    by the missing P project on Wed Mar 01, 2006 at 02:38:39 PM PST

  •  feuds (none)
    kingoneeye is probably too young to remember the fred allen/jack benny feud, tho to be fair, it was just a publicity stunt/running gag.

    but johnny carson was not too happy about snl calling him a drunk in a sketch

    dana carvey (as carson on his last show):  so, ed, is there anything you'd like to tell the audience on the last show?

    phil hartman (mcmahon):  yes.  you're the one with the drinking problem.

    carson made a reference about how unfunny sat nite live was during one of his monologues in the last week of his show.

    none of this has anything to do with what we're talking about, but why should i change my m.o. now?

    skippy the bush kangaroo, now with 30% more snark!

    by skippy on Wed Mar 01, 2006 at 03:09:13 PM PST

  •  O'Reilly is lucky (none)
    for the publicity Olbermann gives him.  If not for Keith Olbermann I wouldn't know O'Reilly was alive sowing hate and discontent, but I would watch even Fox if they were intelligent enough to replace O'Reilly with Phil Donahue.

    I learned to be a Liberal in Sunday School.

    by Gram E on Wed Mar 01, 2006 at 03:31:11 PM PST

  •  It's so nice seeing this. (none)
    When you hitch your star to a wagon, and that wagons starts to head over a cliff, odds are you'll be dragged along too.
    I've been delighted to see that Rash Slimeball has come out foursquare in favor of the Dubai ports deal.  I know that is going to cost him loads of listeners.  Why, it's enough to drive a man to drugs.

    Nah nah nah nah, Nah nah nah nah, Hey Heeeeey, Dubai!

    by jazzmaniac on Wed Mar 01, 2006 at 03:43:37 PM PST

  •  FOX "news" (none)
    This could be due to the Olympics. Maybe a lot of people switched to MSNBC for the Olympics.
  •  Free Fall (none)
    O'Reilly must really be suffering. According to the Atlanta Journal-Constitution, which I'll quote at length since the AJC requires registration, O'Reilly is loosing a chunk of his Atlanta, GA radio audience.

    By Rodney Ho | Wednesday, March 1, 2006, 03:19 PM

    The Atlanta Journal-Constitution

    Bill O'Reilly's "O'Reilly Factor" remains the top-rated cable news show but his syndicated radio show has not translated as well. After more than three years on 680/The Fan, sandwiched between sports talk shows, he is now being moved to WFOB-AM1230, which only covers Cobb County. His replacement, ESPN syndicated sports talker Dan Patrick, takes over the 1 to 3 p.m. slot.

    I guess Bill wasn't pulling in the ad dollars. Remember is is Atlanta, GA we're talking about.
  •  Wow! (none)
    Olbermann just said that his sports program with Dan Patrick just went on the air in Atlanta and REPLACED THE o'reilly RADIO FACTOR!

    Wow!  I think bor's head will explode soon.

    "We ought never to do wrong when people are looking." Twain

    by dougymi on Wed Mar 01, 2006 at 05:29:10 PM PST

  •  please give to the Neil Cavuto lithium fund (none)
    or, keep on scrolling and see more of THIS shit tomorrow:

  •  HAHAHAHA!!!!! (none)
    Bill O'Reilly calls out Oberman and ends up increasing Obermans ratings!

    Fucking priceless!

    "I did NOT have sex with that lobbyist!"

    by donailin on Wed Mar 01, 2006 at 05:38:13 PM PST

  •  Olberman vs. O'Reilly (none)
    This news makes my day!  I watch Keith everyday and I also listen to O'Reilly, Hannity, Limbaugh, Ingraham, etc. when I am in my car as I think we need to know what the "enemy" is thinking.  Those narrow-minded, ignorant talk-show hosts are the most hateful people I have ever listened to in my life.  They pretend to welcome debate and opinions of the "other side" and, when they get them on the air, they are the rudest, nastiest human beings in the world and they just pummel them!  I hope all of their ratings go down, down, down as this administration continues to screw up time after time after time!  Keith uses intelligence and humor and, night after night, has a totally entertaining and informative show!  I just love how he can go from letting us know how he revels in getting under O'Reilly's skin to doing a touching piece with Buck O'Neil from the old Negro Baseball League and how he felt about being shut out from the Baseball Hall of Fame.  Hopefully, my relatives who only get their news from Faux News will be enlightened soon!    
  •  it was inevitable that Fox (none)
    would lose credibility, and a few viewers would figure out that the channel is working against their interests.
  •  I'd really be interested in the monthly stats ... (none)
    Especially O'Really?'s.  I have a suspicion that, in the month the "Colbert Report" debuted and possibly the month after, there was a brief rise or a plateau in O'Really?'s downward ratings spiral. And that would have been caused by Colbert's leftie fans (myself included) who tuned in to O'Really? for the first time in months or the first time ever to check out the show ... just to compare Colbert's performance to the "original blowhard asshole" himself.

    God knows, I did.

    "You don't lead by pointing and telling people some place to go. You lead by going to that place and making a case." - Ken Kesey

    by Glinda on Wed Mar 01, 2006 at 07:42:28 PM PST

  •  Idiots. (none)
    These guys Olberman, Olielly, Hannity ad nauseum are based on Sunday Football Shows.  That's why they put all this pro-wrestling/John Madden/Terry Bradshaw- shtick into their infotainment.
    Who TF cares whether they're left, right center or loony, they are there to force you to watch them.
    Olberman has gotton awlfully cheesy of late, hamming it up as if he were Stewart or somethin'.
    Do yourselves a favor and turn it all off and read something for crimmy sake.

    "I'm an insect who dreamed he was a man and loved it. But now the dream is over..." - Charles E. Pogue, "The Fly".

    by edsdet on Wed Mar 01, 2006 at 09:00:52 PM PST

  •  Fox IS Media (none)
    I get tired to flipping over to Fox (just to be fair and balanced) and have every show blame the Media or MSMedia, as if they are what a different media?  or not part of the media or MSM.  or part of the Corporate Media.  They report and blame what other Media is saying.  They mainly blame "print," but more recently are blaiming other anchors on other electronic media.

    Other media print or electronic should take them to task.  I notice their ratings are slipping.

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