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John at AMERICAblog shows us how to do it. From the "I wish I'd written that files."

[T]he traditional media is made up of a growing number of increasingly sloppy children. And their sloppiness is now jeopardizing our democracy. It's gotten us into a war that's a disaster, and it's helped re-elect a president who isn't capable of managing our country. All because the traditional media let themselves be emasculated and lobotomized rather than simply doing their job.

To wit, this lead sentence from tomorrow's front-page Washington Post story on Senator Feingold's censure resolution:

For months the Democrats have resisted calls from their liberal base to more aggressively challenge President Bush.

Calls from their "liberal base?" Really? Where did you get that from? Seriously. I want facts. How did the Washington Post determine that it was the "liberal base" of the Democratic party that has been the driving force calling for Dems to challenge President Bush?

Actual real-life surveys show that most Democrats, and most Independents, have had it with Bush. Not just liberal Democrats, but all Democrats, and even most Independents.

So, seriously, where did the Washington Post get the facts to justify the very first line of its front page story about Senator Feingold? Nowhere, that's where.

They just made it up.

Read the whole thing. It's excellent.

Originally posted to Daily Kos on Tue Mar 14, 2006 at 09:53 PM PST.

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  •  Belly of the Beast (10+ / 0-)

    by a new user on Kos, lamdat (>80k UID).  Lives in Delay's district (TX-22), and is volunteering for Lampson against the Hammer.  First hand account of early efforts, which many Kossacks are likely interested in hearing about.  Worth encouraging IMHO, so check it out!

  •  wapo=freeperville...twilight zone surreal podfest (0+ / 0-)
  •  Somehow left out the part... (0+ / 0-)

    ...that this is a first diary by lamdat.  Time for me to turn off the computer and get some sleep...

  •  For the record (0+ / 0-)

    These people come from the:

    Pre Internet:

    Everything neat tidey and underlined (highlighted where necessary)

    Post Internet

    Cut & Paste Jockeys from the internet to do their papers for school

    That's where we stand folks.

    We're gonna explode?! I don't wanna explode! 宁静

    by TalkieToaster on Tue Mar 14, 2006 at 09:55:49 PM PST

    •  Still (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      Avila

      there is great stuff from people on the ground for them to steal from the internet if they would just use their judgement.

      Oh well

      Pro-life=Anti-sex

      by coigue on Tue Mar 14, 2006 at 09:59:30 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  pie chart (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      Avila
      bet they use pie charts on posterboard

      "Dear Mr. Bush: Please obtain Tamifah's permission before invading any other countries. Love, Tamifah."

      by Tamifah on Tue Mar 14, 2006 at 10:30:45 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  If the teacher is lucky (0+ / 0-)

        But they don't tend to know fractions.  They are the kind of people who, if given a simple formula they all panic in unison and yell out "Is that gonna be on the exam?"  One freakin formula.  

        We're gonna explode?! I don't wanna explode! 宁静

        by TalkieToaster on Tue Mar 14, 2006 at 10:34:23 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  math (3+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          Avila, sodalis, TalkieToaster
          is anti-gawd, anti-bible, and anti-church

          all the math you need is in the bible

          /snark

          sorry had a snark attack

          "Dear Mr. Bush: Please obtain Tamifah's permission before invading any other countries. Love, Tamifah."

          by Tamifah on Tue Mar 14, 2006 at 10:35:49 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

          •  Isn't that what calculators are for? (0+ / 0-)
            Seriously...

            I'm of the Internet generation, and when I was in school I still had to use paper sources. I also used the internet to find articles and information that was locally unavailable. Instead of waiting for three weeks for an inter-library loan of a scientific journal I found its website. How is copying and pasting from an electronic file (and properly referencing it) different than highlighting a paper article and reproducing the text elsewhere?

            Sure I knew people who cheated, but it's not like they were rewarded for it. Generally someone who copies and pastes from the internet would get a similar quality of writing without the benefit of technology.

            Regarding the math... I'd do well to solve an intermediate Algebra equation right now, and I'm 26 years old. However, I have advanced knowledge of music and art and literature that most Math-letes would scratch their chings at and go "Hmmm...". I can tell you how many points are in a pica or the formula for calculating print resolution when scanning a photo. So nyah!

            In other words... Math and Science are NO BETTER than Art, Music, Literature, History, Dance, Pole Vaulting, etc. Stop slamming people like me because we have specialized skills and grew up in a time where being on the Internet was like breathing.  ;-)

            •  excuse me? (0+ / 0-)

              when did i slam anyone remotely like you?

              I was sarcastically criticizing bible thumpers. I note that bible thumping is one of the skills you do not claim.

              Not sure what the problem is here.

              "Dear Mr. Bush: Please obtain Tamifah's permission before invading any other countries. Love, Tamifah."

              by Tamifah on Sat Mar 18, 2006 at 05:11:10 AM PST

              [ Parent ]

              •  excuse me! (0+ / 0-)

                It seemed that you were lamenting the use of the internet in general for source collection for research. Also, I was responding to what I feel is a dominant sentiment in this country that the arts are somehow lesser than math & science, and somehow I inferred that from a post.

                I was also kidding to some extent, and with the absence of voice inflection on an internet message board it becomes difficult to tell when someone is joking and when someone is being serious.

                And as for the bible thumping comment, I haven't opened one in quite some time.

                There is no problem. Take it easy. It's only the internet.

                [http://www.myspace.com/wydown]

                by keggers on Mon Mar 27, 2006 at 07:58:57 AM PST

                [ Parent ]

    •  The void of principles (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      BlueInARedState

      The WaPo and the NYT cannot admit to their complicity in the promotion of war, with no real facts because if one chooses to believe their reporting, no one had the facts.  That could be viewed by some as a war crime.  This means that they were either complicit with the Pentagon and the Bush administration in reporting military briefings and interviews with Chalabi and presumed Iraqi defectors without skepticism, or the worst national security blunder in history occurred when the news media became pawns in a game advanced by foreign nations, criminals and liars for THEIR gain at America's expense.

      To put it another way...
      Was Judith Miller a pawn of the military and executive branch or was she a voluntary sycophant passing on misinformation to the American people for the right wing.  

      I admit that I did not like the smirk on her face when she was released from jail, because it practically screamed, "I'm taken care of.  Nothing bad will happen to me, because I am loyal to an anti-American vision for the country.  I was bought off and there is not a damn thing anyone can do about it.  So shove that up your kazoo and smoke it!"

      Humankind's explanations for creation and mortality are its religions.

      by elephty on Wed Mar 15, 2006 at 03:15:40 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  Either 'a pawn,' or an admission... (0+ / 0-)

        As the cite goes on to say that the WaPo's First Line is an admission that if the "growing numbers of Americans increasingly angry at the direction our country is heading [is] 'the liberal base' of the Democratic party, then that would mean our liberal base comprises around 66% of the country right about now."

        Which I'm willing to go with....  If only they'd report THAT sea-change!

        •  May the WaPo and NYTimes (0+ / 0-)

          go the way of others that have betrayed this nation for wealth and privilege.  Enough is enough.  Neither of these publications could tell the truth if their lives depended on it.

          Where there should be shame there is arrogance.

          Where there should be guilt there is deceit.

          Where there should be integrity there is nothing.

          where there should be backbone there is subservience.

          Where there should be honesty there is hubris.

          Where there should be reality there is a harmful and wicked fantasy that has bought bloodshed, dishonor, depletion of resources and weakness.

          Where there should be an administration is a delusional gang that believes it can get away with the sacking of America.

          Humankind's explanations for creation and mortality are its religions.

          by elephty on Thu Mar 16, 2006 at 12:11:35 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

      •  Either 'a pawn,' or an admission... (0+ / 0-)

        As the cite goes on to say that the WaPo's First Line is an admission that if the "growing numbers of Americans increasingly angry at the direction our country is heading [is] 'the liberal base' of the Democratic party, then that would mean our liberal base comprises around 66% of the country right about now."

        Which I'm willing to go with....  If only they'd report THAT sea-change!

  •  New Look, Feel, Ratings...ahhhhhh... (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Avila

    I was gone for 5 days and they changed it all.....

    I don't think I'll recover...can anyone explain the new ratings to me...and I don't want just the subject...how do I get the whole comment?

  •  umm (1+ / 0-)
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    cubicalization

    denying that most people at daily kos are the "liberal base" doesn't help arguments that people here are part of the reality-based community.

    And once again the false comparison appears again:

    the idea that people who disapprove of president bush want democrats to go on an all-out frothing-at-the-mouth offensive against him.

    I dont know how many times, people have said democrats should vote for censure by basically being like "34%! Duh!"  No, it's not duh.  not approving of Bush does not equal supporting censure (the fact that I exist should be proof that that particular arrangement is possible).

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    by FleetAdmiralJ on Tue Mar 14, 2006 at 09:59:46 PM PST

  •  The Horror, The Horror (10+ / 0-)

    All 279 photos from Abu Grahib have now been released.

    Those of the faint of heart should not go here. Those that want to see the truth should.

    The Horror of Rumsfeld

    Participate in the CITIZENS GOVT REFORM ACTwe need your help! http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/1/7/22116/88928

    by irishamerican on Tue Mar 14, 2006 at 09:59:54 PM PST

    •  GWB's Heart of Darkness (5+ / 0-)

      The horror indeed.

      I consider all the deranged actions of the guards and personnel in these photos to be a PERFECT illustration of the perversion, heartlessness and cruelty that lay just beneath the surface of that boyish piece of sh*t otherwise known as the President of the United States.

      That is to say - anyone looking at these photos should transpose the face of GWB on the bodies of every American in front of and behind the camera.

      Children go through a stage where they are unable to empathize with others. GWB's boyishness may be charming to SOME people - but they are missing the dark side of that - the side that is incapable of or shirks from acting like a RESPONSIBLE, civilized grown up.

      What a country where people take such delight in their callousness.

    •  the pics (4+ / 0-)
      make me want to break down and cry

      how can we do that to other people?

      "Dear Mr. Bush: Please obtain Tamifah's permission before invading any other countries. Love, Tamifah."

      by Tamifah on Tue Mar 14, 2006 at 10:34:38 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  ranting (7+ / 0-)

    hesitate to post this and just upset everyone, but it looks like everyone's already upset.

    Got an email from GOP land today.

    Selecting Colorado gives me a custom letter for Sen. Salazar.

    Some of the text in the email:

    After months of searching, Democrat leaders are finally beginning to find their agenda: take away the tools America needs to fight terror. In the last 24 hours, fringe groups like MoveOn.org and Democrat leaders from John Kerry to Harry Reid to Dick Durbin have rallied to Feingold's side, praising his grandstanding as a "catalyst" for the investigation of the President.

    Weakening our national security is their agenda. Is it yours? Sign the petition to tell the Democrat leaders to stop undermining the War on Terror with cheap political stunts.

    We are a nation at war. Our President has no more basic responsibility than to protect the American people and fight terrorists who want to kill us.
    ...
    Democrat leaders never miss an opportunity to put politics before our nation's security. And now, they would rather censure the President for doing his job than actually fight the War on Terror. It's what the MoveOn.org wing of their party wants, and now, it's their agenda - from the top of the ticket on down

    Say no to hate, bigotry, and the author of the Fed. Marriage Amendment, Marilyn Musgrave. Please donate to Angie Paccione.

    by OLinda on Tue Mar 14, 2006 at 10:02:43 PM PST

  •  I do know this (8+ / 0-)

    Whether or not the "base" is driving the push to confront Bush, this issue has the potential to alienate the base like no other.  I don't blame Feingold for it - I blame the milquetoast senators who wouldn't know a great political opportunity if it slapped them in the face, who refuse to take a stand on anything until 80% of the country gets way ahead of them in support.

    The liberal base has forgiven a lot of transgressions.  Bad votes on the bankruptcy bill and CAFTA, votes to confirm Roberts, votes against filibustering Alito.  Some individuals were very upset by each of these things, but overall the base soldiered on, understanding that getting Republicans out of power is the first priority.

    But if the party is going to sell out Feingold en masse on the censure resolution, they are going to lose a lot of people, and a lot of money, all in the name of not looking too shrill to that mythical swing voter.  Independents disapprove of Bush by more than a 2-1 margin, but still, mustn't rock the boat.

    This is the Democrats' opportunity to convince their supporters that they deserve to govern this country.  The early indications are unpromising.

    •  Yup (2+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      BlueInARedState, mang glider

      I just got an email from the DCCC and Ms. Pelosi telling me to "Tell Senator Frist to stand up for stemcell research."

      I sent the DCCC the following email:

      Great Idea!  I'll get right on it.

      As soon as YOU tell Senator Reid to stand with Russ Feingold.

      To call the Commander in Chief detached from reality would be an insult to paranoid schizophrenics everywhere. --billmon

      by vicki on Wed Mar 15, 2006 at 01:11:26 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  I Can't Stands No More!!!... (0+ / 0-)

    The MSM has been giving these criminals a free ride for 5 years. The Free Press is now a propaganda mill. I want my 21st Century back.

    Impeach the sonovabitch already.

    50 Ways To Dump The Dubya

    Love Songs From Ground Zero

    by Subway Serenade on Tue Mar 14, 2006 at 10:02:46 PM PST

  •  I'm sorry, but this is misplaced anger (5+ / 0-)

    I can understand being angry right now, what with the way our Democratic "leaders" have abandoned us, but this is just silly.

    Just because most of the people in this country don't think Bush is doing a good job doesn't mean they all want Democrats to challenge Bush more aggressively.  It stands to reason that the people who are going to be contacting the Democrats and speaking out to challenge him are going to be the more liberal elements of the Democratic party.

    Obviously, that doesn't mean that it's JUST the liberal base of the party who has been pushing to challenge Bush more aggressively, but it is not likely that everybody who disagrees with the Bush administration right now is calling for the Democrats to challenge him more aggressively.

    The media sucks and blows at the same time, but lets save our anger and vitriol for something that is deserved.

  •  29 Democrats co-sponsored censure of Clinton (5+ / 0-)

    It's getting some play on the blogs here and on Firedoglake that Sen. Dianne Feinstein sponsored a censure resolution of President Clinton in 1999 (days before US troops deployed to Kosovo). But she had friends:

    Feinstein later yesterday reintroduced the censure resolution, which had 38 co-sponsors, including nine Republicans, making it part of the Senate record.

    38-9=29. 29 Dems who would censure their own President in a time of crisis. Who are they and where are they today?

  •  Network (7+ / 0-)

    We're living the reality of the movie Network. News has become entertainment. Journalism is dead. Reporting has been reduced to he said she said. No insight. Most of the time facts aren't checked, press releases/propaganda pieces are just rewritten. I screamed every time I saw an article from the last election cycle that stated either Alan Keyes or Barrack Obama was going to be the first African-American Senator. WTF? And why is it so important to the nation at large if someone falls over a cruise ship or a white woman goes missing?

    "The best Maxim I know in this life is, to drink your Coffee when you can..." -Jonathan Swift

    by Coffee Geek on Tue Mar 14, 2006 at 10:06:17 PM PST

  •  WAPO (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    pb, hoplite9

    WAPO runs the words Liberal and Democrat in the same sentance most of the time. But, when a Rethug is mentioned it is some thing like Senate Leader Frist.
    Instead of Right Wing Republican Bill Frist said he would do some doctoring via the internet to the needy.

    It takes a bucket of blood for a barrel of oil.

    by Encriptical Envelopments on Tue Mar 14, 2006 at 10:07:16 PM PST

  •  liberal/democratic (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    MO Blue, Coffee Geek

    to quote a great american:

    "I am from the democratic wing of the Democratic party."

  •  If they enforced the truth-in-advertising laws.. (0+ / 0-)

    The NYT would have to change its slogan to "All The Made-Up Shit That We See Fit To Print."

    Francine Busby for Congress -- CA-50 -- Special Election, April 11

    by socal on Tue Mar 14, 2006 at 10:09:25 PM PST

  •  Most Democrats? (0+ / 0-)

    Hell, even Republicans are turning on him over some of the spying and the port deal. Liberally biased media my ass.

  •  Billmon is back (5+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Kimberley, vicki, Avila, peraspera, majcmb1

    with a rueful post.

    When will it end?

    Let the great world spin for ever down the ringing grooves of change. - Tennyson

    by bumblebums on Tue Mar 14, 2006 at 10:11:54 PM PST

  •  Help me out guys!!! (0+ / 0-)

    I need help from everyone on this site my name is Tim. I was trying to defend this other guy from all these right wing wack jobs who are pretty much praising Bush. This guy name Chris Martin told him to STFU when he was trying to expose the right wing media. I need everyone to post a message to tell this guy he's a moron and praise the other guy who was trying to exspose the right wing media. Here's the link http://www.lonestarball.com/...

  •  Case in Point (4+ / 0-)

    Just look at this article:

    http://www.asuwebdevil.com/...

    Attorney General Alberto Gonzales defended President Bush Monday against allegations of illegal activity. According to a recent article on www.cnn.com, Gonzales said, "The terrorist surveillance program is necessary, it is lawful and it respects the civil liberties we all cherish."

    I agree.

    Back in 2002, President Bush signed legislation to permit the National Security Agency to covertly tap international phone calls. However, America found out about this "secret" at the end of December.

    The only problem with Bush's actions was his lack of a court order that allowed him to tap the telephone lines.

    I'm no history or political science major, but overall, I really don't see a potential problem with what Bush did (or didn't do). It is obvious his intentions were to capture any terrorists after the unforgettable and horrific attacks of Sept. 11. If he had publicly announced his plans of secretly listening in on international phone conversations, then this would have gotten back to the odious terrorists. And coincidentally, that defeats the purpose of the plan.

    Remember, this is a journalism student.  Why is this person able to go from one term to the next?

    Many things are wrong with this article and most of them very very basic.

    1.  Bad references.  (somewhere on cnn.com on someday)
    1.  References to double hearsay badly referenced  (Fox news said blah blah)
    1.  Insufficient arguments to hold the logical statements being made

    and then throw in...

    1.  Personal willingness of the author not to question Ws motives which makes the whole thing subjective if not completely sycophantic

    that's not all but I'm tired of typing

    This is what's passing in school right now.  Scared yet?

    We're gonna explode?! I don't wanna explode! 宁静

    by TalkieToaster on Tue Mar 14, 2006 at 10:13:32 PM PST

  •  I like Jane's response to the contents (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Avila

    of the WaPo article over at firedoglake.  They have a new host and design as of today now too.  :-)

  •  What about Paul Hackett on the Daily Show? (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    majcmb1, Land of Enchantment

    Wasn't that hilarious?!  I love how they flipped the who Crashing the Gate message on its head...the irony was just ripe!!!  I especially liked the metaphor of being mugged by a bum (like the dems getting mugged by the reps):  "I got mugged by a bum with bottle and I didn't do anything figuring he would eventually hit himself:  and he did!  But I was unconscious at that point."  And the Paul Hackett commercial was pure comedy!  Wonderful!  What did you guys think?

  •  Who needs facts? (6+ / 0-)

    For months the Democrats have resisted calls from their liberal base to more aggressively challenge President Bush.

    How many months?
    Which Democrats?
    What calls?
    Resisted how?
    Who in the "liberal base?"
    More aggressive than what?
    Challenge in what way?

    "Mr. President, I'm not saying we wouldn't get our hair mussed." General Buck Turgidson

    by muledriver on Tue Mar 14, 2006 at 10:16:40 PM PST

  •  dKos straw poll referenced in same A1 article (0+ / 0-)

    a first?

    next stop: wire headlines.

  •  What's Up With Drudge Tonight? (0+ / 0-)

    He posted this:
    "Sen. Debbie Stabenow (D-MI) went to the Senate floor Wednesday afternoon and displayed an enormous sign that read â€oeDangerously Incompetent” while giving a speech attacking the Bush administration over first responder and Homeland Security funding.

    Stabenow was on the Senate floor selling an amendment she has offered to increase funding for first responders by $5 billion. â€oeGod forbid that there is another terrorist attack or a natural disaster,” Stabenow warned.

    Developing..."

    On the top of the page he has a picture from C-Span with this Senator and a large sign by her saying "Dangerously Incompetent."

    Did I miss something today?  

  •  F'in hilarious-- Bush Nephew Makes Ass of Himself (4+ / 0-)
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    Avila, askyron, vcmvo2, majcmb1

    You gotta see this to believe it:

    http://www.youtube.com/...

    Bush will be impeached.

    by jgkojak on Tue Mar 14, 2006 at 10:23:27 PM PST

  •  Founding Fathers Would Be Part Of Liberal Base (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Kimberley

    John at AMERICAblog article really hit the nail on the head. The majority of the country doesn't like what is going on right now any more than we do.

    While I am not a history major, I seem to remember that our founding fathers didn't like where their King George was leading the country, they initially tried to negotiate with their leadership and found that their petitions fell on deaf ears. After numerous attempts, they became increasingly angry and finally decided to change their country through rebellion. If my memory is correct, our founding fathers were not meek and quite fellows. They did not roll over and continue to submit to the continuous injustices inflicted upon them. They got angry and took all necessary actions to insure a just government for this country.

    See any similarities between then and now. I think our founding fathers would feel right at home in the Washington Post's so called Democratic liberal base. In fact, they might feel that we are much too passive.
     

  •  Complicity (0+ / 0-)

    Ya know I may be but I will not sit back and twiddle my opposers while she slides off the wheel. Instead here's A Request From Liberty

    Poetic Justice-Don't burn the flag! Wash it!

    by prime63 on Tue Mar 14, 2006 at 10:25:48 PM PST

  •  Vietnamization Update. (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    peraspera, Land of Enchantment

    BAGHDAD, Iraq - American forces have dramatically increased airstrikes in Iraq during the past five months, a change of tactics that may foreshadow how the United States plans to battle a still-strong insurgency while reducing the number of U.S. ground troops serving here.
    A review of military data shows that daily bombing runs and jet-missile launches have increased by more than 50 percent in the past five months, compared with the same period last year. Knight Ridder's statistical findings were reviewed and confirmed by American Air Force officials in the region.
    The numbers also show that U.S. forces dropped bombs on more cities during the last five months than they did during the same period a year ago. Airstrikes hit at least 11 cities between Oct. 1, 2004, and Feb. 28, 2005, but were mostly concentrated in and around the western city of Fallujah. A year later, U.S. warplanes struck at least 22 cities during the same months.

    from Knight-Ridder

    •  More Troops (0+ / 0-)
      Yes, and today it was announced more troops will be sent.
      Hmm....  Dejavu regarding VietNam.  Does it occur to anyone that WW2 (the BIG one) was a shorter war than this one? And fought all over Europe and Asia? And cost less?

      Two relatively tiny countries (Afghan and Iraq) and we can't seem to get the job done.

  •  Growing pains? (0+ / 0-)

    Trad media confronting the cartharsis coordinated by computered collegiality?  ;)

    Seriously... Dr. Howard, Russ, and a few others are breaking out of trad confinement; there will be natural hostility to their efforts.  In the face of the authoritarian dystopia promulgated by sociopath dubya and his masters, the New Wave will inevitabley by marginalized, criminalized, and exorcised if possible.
    But I get the sense that this is not probable with some of these folks.  If the trads won't crumble and regenerate in the light of their critique, it's these that will be abandoned and fall into irrelevance.  A new Rushmore may well exhibit the faces of Dean, Feingold, Coretta King, and Delegate Zero!
    The future is progressive; and, if it comes to it, we'll all be wearing ski masks  in support of justice over tyranny.

    Russ Feingold: cooler than Batman.

    by yojimbo on Tue Mar 14, 2006 at 10:29:17 PM PST

  •  MISSING the point! (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    rabel, Simplify, mang glider

    I have to admit, I'm getting a bit tired of seeing the lefties prop up the right by ostensibly trouncing them.

    the problem is not that the media is right-leaning or far right-leaning.  the problem isn't that the media 'doesn't do anything' about the corruption and propaganda and disinformation coming from the White House and their minions.

    the problem is that this is an oligarchy, and the traditional media is an arm of it.  every single major media outlet is controlled by a corporate bottom line, as are many congressional members, and nearly all GOP leaders.  the White House is as well, although it's made collosal errors and probably can't believe its luck that its bosses have allowed it to make it this far, all the while lining their pockets.

    this constant focus on nitpicking what the right is doing is off-base and antithetical to the things that I believe the people on this site actually desire for their country and from their government.  the focus should be on the control that our 'zaibatsu' have in this oligarchy, and how we can break it.

    people like Lamont are a vast improvement over people like Lieberman, but the problem is still the system, and the left does not focus on it nearly enough.

  •  They haven't any data but it would have been (0+ / 0-)

    more accurate if they had to guess to pick: years not months. I also think most of the country (not just liberals) would dump Bush if they had an option. We don't have a Parlimentary system so we are stuck with his mug until the next cycle. 2008  - it sounds so far away.....


    "And we are here as on a darkling plain Swept with confused alarms of struggle and flight, Where ignorant armies clash by night." Matthew Arnold

    by Cantinflas on Tue Mar 14, 2006 at 10:30:16 PM PST

  •  harkin (D-IA) backs censure (9+ / 0-)

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/...

    "The president broke the law and he needs to be held accountable," he said. "Talk about high crimes and misdemeanors!"

  •  Juliette Kayyam (6+ / 0-)

    hardly a wildly liberal partisan, at TPM Cafe doesn't get why Democrats haven't filibustered yet, why the FISA court judges haven't just up and walked, why there isn't an investigation by Congress yet.  

    This is a terrorism and national security expert talking.  Not the ACLU.  Democrats, please listen to the experts on something other than CYA.  Bold action is warranted.  This can still be done with a knife and fork, with please and thank you, but you must do it.

    Are we still routinely torturing helpless prisoners, and if so, does it feel right that we as American citizens are not outraged by the practice? -Al Gore

    by soyinkafan on Tue Mar 14, 2006 at 10:35:44 PM PST

  •  Dana Milbank = Moron (0+ / 0-)

    The Beltway Dems will never "get it" so long as they keep listening to idiots like this...

    At a time when Democrats had Bush on the ropes over Iraq, the budget and port security, Feingold single-handedly turned the debate back to an issue where Bush has the advantage -- and drove another wedge through his party.

    If you got somebody "on the ropes", isn't usually best to go ahead and swing for the knockout?  

    These MSM establisment analysts and politicians make me want to gag.

    "Pray for the dead and fight like hell for the living" - Mother Jones

    by Jambon on Tue Mar 14, 2006 at 10:36:08 PM PST

  •  liberal and conservative (8+ / 0-)

    are now defined in relation to one's degree of unquestioning loyalty to the president. if that looks fascist, it's because it is.

    crimson gates reek with meat and wine/while on the streets, bones of the frozen dead -du fu (712-770)

    by wu ming on Tue Mar 14, 2006 at 10:37:42 PM PST

  •  I don't want him impeached anyway (0+ / 0-)

    I want him thrown out on his ass.

    •  The US Constitution. (2+ / 0-)
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      Looked up Article II, Section 4. Was surprised to find this:

      ¶ The President, Vice President and all Civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.

      ¶ The Senate may also throw the President out on his ass, with the Concurrence of two thirds of the Members present.

      So apparently it is doable...

  •  All Right, Who Whacked Firedoglake? (1+ / 0-)
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    poppyseed

    I've been trying to get into the site for 45 minutes and all I get is a message that "there is no website configured at this address".

    Should I be concerned?  After all, there's a simple explanation for it, right?

    What's that black SUV doing in my driveway?

    Uh oh...

    Be peaceful, be courteous, obey the law, respect everyone; but if someone puts his hand on you, send him to the cemetery. --Malcolm X Speaks, 1965

    by Deacon G on Tue Mar 14, 2006 at 10:44:58 PM PST

  •  F the Democrats (1+ / 0-)
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    Patricia Taylor

    Anyone see Paul Hackett on The Daily Show? It was great. catch a re-run if you can. Especially poignant on the day that Reid (and Lieberman - no surprise there ) declined to endorse Feingold's censure resolution. Grow some balls.
    The president broke the law. Poll numbers dont matter here. It doesnt matter if 25, 50, 75, or 100 percent of americans agree with domestic wiretapping. Its great that we can continually cite Bush's low approval ratings, but who cares? What good does that do? Where is the outrage at the Democrats (the people we actually can influence) for once again showing lack of a spine? Could it be a "political" loser? maybe, but that doesnt matter. our integrity and our values are what tell us that we need to stand up to the republicans on this. If we lose, we lose with dignity.

  •  A Full Moon and the Ides of March (0+ / 0-)

    make for great ranting conditions!

    "I do it because if I did not, I could not look at myself in the mirror." - SLAVOJ ZIZEK

    by Patricia Taylor on Tue Mar 14, 2006 at 10:56:52 PM PST

  •  AHHHHH ha ha (0+ / 0-)

    Just got home and watched the Daily Show's Paul Hackett episode. Oh my god, was that good. I like him even more now.

    You didn't do it.

    by Earl on Tue Mar 14, 2006 at 11:11:18 PM PST

  •  People are Far More Liberal (1+ / 0-)
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    Kimberley

    In my experience, people, generally, are far more liberal, far more critical, than the MSM gives them credit.

    "These are the times that try men's [and women's] souls." - The Crisis, December 23, 1776

    by TPaine on Tue Mar 14, 2006 at 11:20:26 PM PST

  •  Government lawyers flub (0+ / 0-)

    Carla J. Martin, an obscure Transportation Security Administration official, has undercut the effort to execute Zacarias Moussaoui.

    here's a link:
    http://www.nytimes.com/...

    Another page in the long tale of government incompetence since 2001.  Ms. Martin, a lawyer with the FAA, already has her own lawyer in this matter, and he 'expects' her to plead the fifth amendment.  

    Has Zacarias Noussaoui taken the fifth himself?  

    I expect Armando or some of you lawyer types will do a diary on this.  Was this error silly, stupid, or spectacularly stupid enough to end a career?

    We're all pretty crazy some way or other; some of us just hide it better. "Normal" is just a setting on my dryer.

    by david78209 on Tue Mar 14, 2006 at 11:24:02 PM PST

  •  Main thread (1+ / 0-)
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    Kimberley

    Actual real-life surveys show that most Democrats, and most Independents, people have had it with Bush. Not just liberal Democrats, but all Democrats, and even most Independents people.

    "These are the times that try men's [and women's] souls." - The Crisis, December 23, 1776

    by TPaine on Tue Mar 14, 2006 at 11:27:05 PM PST

  •  Did you know Joe Lieberman was divorced? (0+ / 0-)

    I'm reading an old New Yorker profile of Lieberman and it says he is divorced. I can't remember hearing that once and the man has ran for VP and President. Weird.

    From an excellent Jeffrey Toobin New Yorker profile on Lieberman:

    After graduation, Lieberman remained in New Haven to attend Yale Law School. (While in law school, he married Betty Haas, with whom he had two children. They divorced in 1981, and two years later he married Hadassah Freilich Tucker, with whom he has a teen-age daughter.)

    I don't care if Lieberman was married twice or twenty times - but it's weird that his divorce is not part of his thumbnail biography like Bob Dole, Reagan, or Kerry.

  •  Republican state legislator switches parties (2+ / 0-)
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    peraspera, Coffee Geek

    From the Northwest Progressive Institute Blog.

    In a surprising development, Bellevue state legislator Rodney Tom, who is currently serving his second term as a representative for the 48th Legislative District, today announced his intention to switch parties and seek the Democratic nomination to run against the 48th's incumbent state senator - Luke Esser:

    â€oeSenator Luke Esser and the Republicans in Olympia have moved so far to the right they no longer represent the interests of mainstream voters. They have become more focused on partisan politics than real results,” said Rodney Tom. â€oeRunning and serving in the Senate as a Democrat will allow me to be more effective at solving problems, making smart investments in education and transportation and ensuring fiscal responsibility.”

    But maybe this guy Tom is a windsock.  The rest of the article is interesting

  •  Feingold, Dems and me... (3+ / 0-)
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    rabel, brek, Easterling

    I happen to see yet another fund raiser mailing from DNC sitting right there on my desk, even as i finished reading about the dems' reaction to Feingold's censure proposal...

    so I printed the article, stuffed  in the DNC envelope with the stub on which I wrote "Forget, not a penny more until you get real leaders"

    probably not going to make a difference but hey, short of starting a new party that's the least i can do

    mmm... The New American Democratic Party...  i like it

    LeeBuhrul - What do you get when you inject a conservative with a conscience? - A Liberal"

    by LeeBuhrul on Tue Mar 14, 2006 at 11:43:28 PM PST

  •  Ranting In the Wee Hours (0+ / 0-)

    The WaPo and the NYT cannot admit to their complicity in the promotion of war, with no real facts because if one chooses to believe their reporting, no one had the facts.  That could be viewed by some as a war crime.  This means that they were either complicit with the Pentagon and the Bush administration in reporting military briefings and interviews with Chalabi and presumed Iraqi defectors without skepticism, or the worst national security blunder in history occurred when the news media became pawns in a game advanced by foreign nations, criminals and liars for THEIR gain at America's expense.

    To put it another way...
    Was Judith Miller a pawn of the military and executive branch or was she a voluntary sycophant passing on misinformation to the American people for the right wing.  

    I admit that I did not like the smirk on her face when she was released from jail, because it practically screamed, "I'm taken care of.  Nothing bad will happen to me, because I am loyal to an anti-American vision for the country.  I was bought off and there is not a damn thing anyone can do about it.  So shove that up your kazoo and smoke it!"

    Humankind's explanations for creation and mortality are its religions.

    by elephty on Tue Mar 14, 2006 at 11:53:58 PM PST

  •  hostage to fanaticism and big money (0+ / 0-)

      Yesterday, I saw Russ Feingold's kick ass speech on the senate floor at ( can o fun) In one of the clips there is a republican "plant" sitting behind Russ throwing the finger in a subtle manner trying not to be too obvious. You got to hand it to those Republican mfs because they sure know how to back stab, steal, all the while appearing magnanimous and concerned for the welfare of this country. What a fucking tragic joke. The MSM scores far lower in my own opinion in the scheme of things. They have essentially dismissed the censure resolution to the waste basket. I found no reference of it on NBC OR CBS today. Their motto is "if it bleeds it leads." Great news for Vampires. The msm has essentially given the finger to democrats. The only worries that the msm seems to have are being boycotted by religious fanatics, and kissing the ass of the Big money powers that be.  Then you have those rightwing fart heads who have infilitrated the television tabloids.   About all you can expect from the msm is to troll the blogs sucking up ideas for their information machine. And they are sure good at taking without giving back.
        But putting it into context, I read the story at the Washington Post, and I was looking for a comment section ,oops, no such animal. Hell, just let them delude themselves that they are still the elite. But if I want news I go the blogs 90% of the time. Funny, how the Washington Post blog shrinks in significance on the net.

  •  Dem leadership: 'Boo hoo! We're scared of Mr. 34% (0+ / 0-)

    WTF can Bush do to them. Bush is a lame duck who should be defied at every turn. He's a chiuaua who barks like a bulldog.

    If your name was George Walker instead of George Walker Bush, your candidacy would be a joke.

    by dole4pineapple on Wed Mar 15, 2006 at 12:07:06 AM PST

  •  The Constitution or the Bible? (5+ / 0-)

    I have no idea whether the story below is true or not, but it made me want to stand up and cheer right from my computer regardless!

    On Wednesday, March 1st, 2006, in Annapolis at a hearing on the proposed Constitutional Amendment to prohibit gay marriage, Jamie Raskin, professor of law at AU, was requested to testify.

    At the end of his  testimony, Republican Senator Nancy Jacobs said:  "Mr. Raskin, my Bible says marriage is only between a man and a woman. What do you have to say about that?"

    Raskin replied:  "Senator, when you took your oath of office, you placed your hand on the Bible and swore to uphold the Constitution.  You did not place your hand on the Constitution and swear to uphold the Bible."

    The room erupted into applause.

    (I know you're not supposed to post entire articles, but this one is only 3 short paragraphs long)

    Source link: http://www.gather.com/...

  •  What about Conservatives? (0+ / 0-)

    Actual real-life surveys show that most Democrats, and most Independents, have had it with Bush. Not just liberal Democrats, but all Democrats, and even most Independents

        I'm retired so I get to watch C-SPAN live every day. Many of the people calling in on the Republican line are fed up with the incompetence and outright stupidity of the current so-called Republican administration. What bothers me most is that they are destroying our military, our economy and our standing in the world.

    LIVE FREE OR DIE

  •  How the media does its job in NZ (3+ / 0-)
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    vcmvo2, Easterling, mang glider

    I'm from New Zealand and have been lurking here at Kos for about 18 months. This is my first post. Go me!

    I thought you guys might be interested in seeing the way news (sometimes) gets reported in countries other than the US of A - you might find it a breath of fresh air.

    The journalist and war correspondent Robert Fisk is currently in NZ as a guest speaker in the Wellington International Festival of the Arts, and he was interviewed on Cambell Live last night. This current affairs programme follows directly after the 6 o'clock news each evening, and is on one of the three main TV stations in NZ, so it has a BIG viewership.

    They dedicated the whole show (half an hour) to war and what the media won't show us (for fear of upsetting their viewers). Robert Fisk argued that if the real images of war were shown on TV, no country would ever go to war again, as the people would not allow it. They also did a piece on The Five Biggest Lies fed to the public by George Bush on the War on Terra. Very cool indeed.

    The links to the video are here if you want to have a look - I'd be interested to see what you think - Campbell Live

  •  NYC meet up (0+ / 0-)

    I just read on another thread that there is some sort of NYC meet up planned for March 22.  I tried replying on that thread, but it wouldn't post.  When I click 'preview' it just goes back to the main page.

    So, I'd like details of the NYC meet up, and any assistance with the problem I mention above.

    thanks

    "Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants, and the creed of slaves." William Pitt

    by plf515 on Wed Mar 15, 2006 at 03:00:25 AM PST

  •  The Democrats are being forced to do what the (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    BlueInARedState

    Liberal extreme want. And the shrill filthy mouthed KosKidz lead the Liberal extreme. And I'm the 15 year old zitfaced KosKid sitting in my mother's basement leading the other KosKids to further fanatical extremes in an insane effort to destroy my own country.

    And all because my public school teacher made me read the US Constitution and the Bill of Rights. There oughta be a law against that.

    -6.88/-5.64 * You know what's happening. Fight it.

    by John West on Wed Mar 15, 2006 at 03:10:06 AM PST

  •  If it walks like a cult (0+ / 0-)

    and talks like a cult, how difficult does it become to report on the cult activities without taking on some of the cult traits?  How does one work on the edges of the cult for years without, perhaps unknowingly, becoming somewhat a member of the cult?

    Not an excuse for the media's behavior, just something I've been mulling over.  Since Greenwald's piece I've been trying to imagine what being on the edges of the GOP cult must be like for both the media and the Democrats.  Trying to think of what it would be like to have to work with the Unification Church on a national stage, or report on the Moonies on a daily basis, and having to do it from such a close proximity.  Since the GOP wasn't always a cult, I'd think it would be difficult to recognize what was going on around you.    

    "The legislature's job is to write law. It's the executive branch's job to interpret law." --George W. Bush, Austin, Texas, Nov. 22, 2000

    by littlesky on Wed Mar 15, 2006 at 03:41:01 AM PST

  •  From an interview: (0+ / 0-)

    KURTZ: OK. Let's move beyond the legal justification. You think the public doesn't have a right to know because classified information is involved that the CIA is maintaining secret presence in Eastern Europe, that the Bush administration is conducting wiretaps in this country without -- without warrants? You would be just as happy if reporters could not publish that kind of information?

    HINDERAKER: Oh, absolutely. There's all kinds of information that you can't give to the American public without also giving it to the terrorists. That's what "The New York Times" did, and as a result our security has been compromised.

    The NSA program was capturing lots of international terrorist communications. That's dropped off drastically since "The New York Times" published the story. So they've -- they've damaged our security.

    Where did you get that information, Mr. Hinderaker? It's clearly Top Secret information. Who told you, and when? Why did you just tell the terrorists that on national television, Mr. Hinderacker? Do you think the terrorists don't watch TV? Why do you hate America, Mr. Hinderaker?

    -6.88/-5.64 * You know what's happening. Fight it.

    by John West on Wed Mar 15, 2006 at 03:42:12 AM PST

  •  Main stream muddleheads (0+ / 0-)

    How to account for the idiots in the traditional media? It's hard to explain: these people have to be savvy, they have to have brains, so why do they give no inkling that they recognize the utter criminality (literal and/or figurative, whichever you prefer), the utter incompetence of this administration and the irreversible damage it is doing to our country? Why is the media still playing along as if everything is just the same old game, why are they so unserious. Yes, there is still good reporting, good investigative reporting going on here and there, otherwise we would not know half of the horrible things we know about this administration. But for the MSM, this reporting in the end is just another good catch: "Hey Jack, good story yesterday!" Then, for them, it sinks into oblivion unless fanned by external forces. They can't, they won't, add 1+1, they just go on to the next day and to the next day's stories. And then they wonder that anyone's mad at them for the crappy job they're doing. "Hey, we're as good as we've ever been. Even better!" No you're not, you're just better and faster at playing the same old games. Pathetic stupidity.

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