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Great, informative interview w. Lt. Col. Karen Kwiatkowski on CSPAN's new interview program Q & A.  The entire interview is well worth watching.  It is available from the Q & A website, both in video and transcript.

Kwiatkowski plays a significant part in Eugene Jarecki's 2005  movie Why We Fight, which won the Grand Jury for Documentaries at that year's Sundance Festival (trailer).  She provides an insider's tale of how Bushism was forced onto the Pentagon agenda.  Rather than take part in a charade, she retired.

that's really when my eyes began to be opened about how our policy towards invading, destroying and occupying Iraq ... when suddenly you have a veil pulled away and you see something - and it was inconsistent with my values as a military officer.

More choice excepts below the fold.

(Hat tip to civil society who first diaried this.  I thought it deserved a more thorough treatment and hopefully a wider audience.)

What did she see when the scales fell from her eyes? She looked up from her desk, and she talked in the hallways of the Pentagon, and there she saw the studied, bureaucratic maneuverings that allowed a small cadre of anti-republic insiders to fix intelligence to lie the US into war. She saw a crime on a global scale take shape. And she got out. (Paragraph added 3/3/06 4:41 PM)

There are many choice nuggets.  I suggest reading them slowly -- she speaks much more plainly than we are used to.

The Constitution was ignored:


You know, we sort of noticed it pulled the Constitution. We have a sense that the people in the Pentagon will be very apolitical. Certainly, the political bosses reflect any administration, the administration that places them there, and that's fine. But, I saw a type of politicization almost from the very first week in Near East-South Asia policy, which really violated the idea of an apolitical military. This [Pentagon Office of Near East-South Asia Affairs?] was an agenda-setting organization, and the agenda was war. The agenda was an invasion of Iraq. ... But, certainly the agenda amongst the political appointees there, almost a little nest of very ideologically motivated folks.

Was this in response to 9/11?  Only as an opportunity.  The roots go much further back:

this refocusing of American foreign policy as a unilateral power, as a shaper of not just ourselves but of others, this comes about early on, 35, 40 years ago. Neo-conservatism is a big part of it.

And by what plant did this un-Consitutional doctrine enter into American policy?

But, what it [PNAC's 1998 position paper, "Rebuilding America's Defenses"] calls for is very much what George Bush has more overtly called for, which is America at the top of the world, a unilateral approach and that kind of thing. Very, very similar. I think that Bill Kristol underestimates modestly the - he's a very modest man, and so he is not going to give the project for New American Century too much, but you can find it in the words, and you can also find it in the members. The Project for New American Century brought many, many key leaders and key political appointees, people that were working on the Project for New American Century moved seamlessly into government, and that starts with Dick Cheney.

So what did Cheney and the henchmen from PNAC do?  They set up special offices and hired everyone of their operatives that they could.  Remember, Cheney had been in the White House cabinet before -- he and Rumsfeld and their top aides had the knowledge and now the power to do this.  Mostly, they concentrated on propaganda -- the ideology and the action had already been laid out.

The Office of Special Plans had one primary job, and that was to produce a set of talking points on the topic of Iraq, WMD and terrorism, and we were to use them in any document that we prepared exactly as they were written in their entirety. We were - all of us, myself included, very familiar with what the intelligence was saying about Iraq. But, the problem was, when you look at what was in these talking points, you could tell it was designed to convince the reader that Iraq and Saddam Hussein specifically constituted a major serious, terrible, evil threat to not just his neighbors but to the United States.

Did they tell the truth.  No.  Did they lie?  Yes.  Often, at length, and with malice aforethought.

[From the movie, cited in the interview.]
His regime has the design for a nuclear weapon, was working on several different methods of enriching uranium, and recently was discovered seeking significant quantities of uranium from Africa. [RUMSFELD]

There is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction. [CHENEY]

The United States knows that Iraq has weapons of mass destruction. The UK knows that they have weapons of mass destruction. Any country on the face of the earth with an active intelligence program knows that Iraq has weapons of mass destruction. [RUMSFELD]

Were they really lying?

But, the intelligence actually said that Saddam Hussein in the '80s, in the late '80s, actively sought fissionable materials in Africa, but he hasn't done anything like that in the past 12 years. The statement, we act like he did it yesterday, taking bits of intelligence out of context without the qualifiers, without the rest of the story, and placing it as a bullet and presenting it as if it's a factoid. ... These guys were manipulating public opinion, OK, creating falsehoods and fantasies to inspire fear in the American people so that they could have their war.

That's just a sample -- there is a lot more there, all of it worth reading.  Names are named and more of the means by which the NeoCon agenda was spliced live into the Pentagon are specified.  She discusses the strategic importance of Iraq.

One of Kwiatkowski's closiing quotes puts things in perspective -- a damning perspective that at least gives us some reality on which to base our actions.

I think, for guys like Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, a lot of the neo-conservatives, even George W. Bush and certainly Cheney, the vision is that we are not really a republic anymore. We're certainly not a limited state. We are the world's most important and all-powerful state, and that we have certain rights. Yes, we have certain responsibilities, but I think the rights are what drive them. And those rights include the right to do what we want, to get what we need, to have what we want to have. I think that's what it is and, you know, we've built very massive mega-bases, permanent. These are permanent military bases in Iraq. We've done that in other places, as well, in the Middle East, but certainly these - this construction project in Iraq, in fact most of the money has been for military construction of - for our use. I think that's a big part of it, shifting our footprint.

Go read it or watch it.

[Update 4/4/2006 1:01 PM] Thanks to "Compost on the Weeds" for this heads up:

... the Sundance film that features her, Why We Fight, is playing to larger and larger audiences around the country.

IMDB listing

Internet Movie Database has a link to cities where it plays. Select Showtimes, and click on the map.

It is actually playing this week in my quiet little river hamlet. Go see it! Take your family. Meet your friends. Talk about it.

Originally posted to Yellow Canary on Mon Apr 03, 2006 at 01:05 PM PDT.

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  •  Recommend, if you think, as I do, that this ... (125+ / 0-)

    ... story needs to be reverberated beyond the walls of the Progressive truth machine.  Many of us are not surprised, but 98% of the people I encounter are still waiting for proof that the Bush administration lies.  Kwiatkowski fleshes out the people, the offices, and the method by which PNAC ideology was made to appear to America as Pentagon wisdom.

    The promulgators of known false intelligence should be prosecuted -- and that includes every member of the White House Iraq Group.

    Kwiatkowski's case may be stronger coming from a committed former Republican who grew up in a Republican household and served 20 years in the Army.

    I did change parties to the Libertarian party, and the choice was either to become a Libertarian or a Constitutionalist because these were the two parties that most closely matched what I - the way I had been brought up. So, in a sense, I’m one of those boring people that don’t change their - they don’t - I didn’t really learn anything. I’m the same - I’m politically the same as I was when I was 14 years old, which is, I guess, sad in a way, but anyway, the party left me. The Republican Party left me.

    A few weeks ago, we did an icebreaker at work. Each of us said our favorite reality TV show. I said I prefer actual reality. OrangeClouds115

    by Yellow Canary on Mon Apr 03, 2006 at 01:14:35 PM PDT

    •  Good diary! (9+ / 0-)
      I recommended both this and the other one.

      Regarding your comment about Ms. Kwiatkowski's political leanings, I disagree that her case could be stronger because she was a Republican and now calls herself a Libertarian.  I believe that Democrats' and Independents' views and opinions carry equal weight.  Perhaps her affiliation will carry more weight with Republicans and their media, but that is not, in my view, the same thing as a "stronger case."  The case is the case; the historicity of the observer notwithstanding.

      The lies, cherry-picking, obfuscations and media manipulation by the WHIG and the effect that had on the DoD is the important revelation, and Ms. Kwiatkowski should be commended for speaking out about it.  But I want to focus on her comment about the U.S. as a unilateral power determined to shape others - in my view, we are a such an entity.  The Democratic foreign policy has (since Wilson and excepting LBJ) traditionally recognized that, but, by forming and leading multilateral organizations, we have been a unilateral power that chooses to act multilaterally.  Because we get better results that way.  When we don't have strong coalitions, as in Vietnam and Iraq, we get into trouble.

      Let justice reign though the heavens tremble

      by Viceroy on Mon Apr 03, 2006 at 02:15:22 PM PDT

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      •  Agree. (4+ / 0-)

        I spoke clumsily when I said her case might be strengthened because of her politics.  I should have said that her case might be more widely received because of her politics.  We are all more trusting of those whom we perceive to hold similar values.

        Thanks for the refinement.

        A few weeks ago, we did an icebreaker at work. Each of us said our favorite reality TV show. I said I prefer actual reality. OrangeClouds115

        by Yellow Canary on Mon Apr 03, 2006 at 02:20:56 PM PDT

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      •  Unilateral Can be Good or Bad (0+ / 0-)

        Any idiot knows that we are the world's richest and most powerful country. And with this power comes responsibility. Only the dumbshit Neocons see this as a crazy imperialistic mandate. Not only is this strategy a military failure, but it is fucking expensive. If Iraq is going to cost $1-2 Trillion dollars, how much would it cost to complete the Neocon Plan? Tens of Trillions of dollars.  And by that time, we will be broke, and China will have overtaken us. Ugh. These neocon morons are as clueless about money as they are about handling power.

        •  ideologues have no sense ... (2+ / 0-)
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          ... of proportion.

          That's just another way of saying that they have cut all bounds to objective reality.  They are beyond feedback.  Let's go to the New Oxford American Dictionary:

          IDEOLOGUE
          an adherent of an ideology, esp. one who is uncompromising and dogmatic : a Nazi ideologue.

          Hm.  What does "dogmatic" really mean?

          dogmatic
          inclined to lay down principles as incontrovertibly true

          Yikes.  Incontrovertible.  Sigh.

          incontrovertible
          adjective
          not able to be denied or disputed

          OK.  Uncompromising people who are inclined to lay down principles as undeniably and indisputably true.

          Seems to cover a lot of newsmakers since Bush was appointed by the Supreme Court of the United States.

          Let's summarize:  bat-shit insane.

          I see them bound by a philosophy with plans and tactics to impose their will on other countries. - G. Bush, on terrorists, 3/21/06

          by Yellow Canary on Tue Apr 04, 2006 at 08:08:27 AM PDT

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    •  This was news in 2003 (5+ / 0-)
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      Unfortunately, the media has ignored testimony such as this for 4-5 years now. Ms. Kwiatkowski first spoke out some time ago, and I haven't seen any action other than on the Kos front page.

      Not that you shouldn't have posted, just...

      Well...

      Um...

      I'd really like things to actually happen one day. Like change? Democrats routinely acting on principle and integrity? All politicians recognizing the need to hold this gang accountable? Any accountability at all beyond Michael Brown and Andy Card and Janis Karpinski and Lynndie England?

      Man, we are living in dark times.

      -8.38, -4.97 "...there is nothing either good or bad, but thinking makes it so." Hamlet, Act II, Scene ii.

      by thingamabob on Mon Apr 03, 2006 at 02:42:22 PM PDT

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    •  Awesome. Keep up the good work. (2+ / 0-)
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      Yellow Canary, buhdydharma

      Bit by bit, piece by piece, the truth is finally, albeit slowly, coming out.

      I just hope it isn't too late. It is now beyond popcorn activism, just sending a check somewhere doesn't get it done. We ALL have to stay diligent, and continue peeling back the onion to expose the truth. Tell everyone you know, and keep saying it.  As the neo-cons know, if you repeat it enough, it "becomes" truth. We surely need some truth right about now.

      God bless & keep the faith baby!

    •  I recommended this, but anybody with a brain new (1+ / 0-)
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      Yellow Canary

      Bush was lying with malice aforethought when he told us the first time.  Hopefully as more and more of this comes out, it will prove what we knew.  I doubt if it will matter got to keep on trying.

      Don't think - just vote!

      by dkmich on Tue Apr 04, 2006 at 03:55:33 AM PDT

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  •  thanks for your pickup on this (2+ / 0-)
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    Yellow Canary, buhdydharma

    Sounds very compelling - I'll listen tonight and spread the word to my clueless (and clueful) acquaintances.

    •  She's engaging, smart, straight-forward, and ... (10+ / 0-)

      ... speaks with a calm and informed moral certitude.  I think she makes a good spokesperson for the idea -- anathema to many -- that the President and the Vice President of the United States are lying thieving criminals.

      It is criminal to start a war when you know better.  Criminal.

      I'm having trouble getting busy non-Kossacks to pay attention.  Any suggestions?

      A few weeks ago, we did an icebreaker at work. Each of us said our favorite reality TV show. I said I prefer actual reality. OrangeClouds115

      by Yellow Canary on Mon Apr 03, 2006 at 01:28:28 PM PDT

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      •  It's tough to do (3+ / 0-)

        esp those who don't WANT to listen.

        I have a friend at work who really doesn't think things through but he's an avid supporter of the military (typically confuses that support with patriotism). I forward material like this to him because he respects the source.

        Alternatively, LTE's, if they're published, are a great way to spread the word to strangers as well as acquaintances ("Look at this! They published my letter!")

        Otherwise, I agree, we often end up preaching to the choir.

        •  Nobody wants to find out that their Daddy is ... (7+ / 0-)

          ... a murderer.

          That's the nut to crack, as I see it.  Thanks for your suggestions.

          Preaching to the choir is a good thing -- it keeps everyone on key.  It's mistaking the feedback you get from the choristers for a critic's review that gets people in trouble.

          A few weeks ago, we did an icebreaker at work. Each of us said our favorite reality TV show. I said I prefer actual reality. OrangeClouds115

          by Yellow Canary on Mon Apr 03, 2006 at 02:17:11 PM PDT

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          •  Well, I doubt the Bush twins care much about (3+ / 0-)
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            whether their father is a murderer. And Cheney's kids work closely with him and if they don't know, they are either stupid or blind. As for the rest of us, we know, and even the ones who don't want to know, know in a tiny corner of their minds and hearts. I doubt they will be shocked, but they will be angry. After all, it was their children who were sent into battle, their children who were killed and wounded by the lies these people told. It's the parents of the soldiers that Bush and Cheney should be mortally afraid of when all their lies come to public view for all to see.

            What happens when Bush takes Viagra? he gets taller. Robin Williams

            by Demfem on Mon Apr 03, 2006 at 03:59:35 PM PDT

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            •  metaphor, dahlink, metaphor ;) (1+ / 0-)
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              Yellow Canary

              You can't lick the system...but you can give it a damn good fondling!

              by buhdydharma on Mon Apr 03, 2006 at 05:31:45 PM PDT

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              •  Yeah, I know..LOL (1+ / 0-)
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                But I despise the Bushes so much, that even a metaphor gets me going..LOL Can't help myself.

                What happens when Bush takes Viagra? he gets taller. Robin Williams

                by Demfem on Mon Apr 03, 2006 at 05:40:59 PM PDT

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                •  Work to remove Bush and ... (1+ / 0-)
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                  buhdydharma

                  ... eradicate Bushism.

                  That might be the great work of liberals* today -- take the passion expressed in your hatred of Bush and use it against him and his ideology.  We are twenty years behind and have enormous amounts of work to do.  Hop aboard.

                  The train you jump on might not be moving.  It might not even be connected to the power grid.  It might be rusted in place.  Like I said, there is A LOT of work to be done.

                  *Liberal:  someone who believes in the good of the individual and who works to protect individual rights and freedoms.

                  I see them bound by a philosophy with plans and tactics to impose their will on other countries. - G. Bush, on terrorists, 3/21/06

                  by Yellow Canary on Tue Apr 04, 2006 at 08:26:00 AM PDT

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            •  Both Crime Families (1+ / 0-)
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              buhdydharma

              are living testimonials to the dangers of concentrated, aristocratic political power. The sooner we toss them out of office or cut off their head like the French did to their aristocrats, the better.

              Sponge Bob, Mandrake, Cartoons. That's how your hard-core islamahomocommienazis work.

              by Benito on Mon Apr 03, 2006 at 10:27:27 PM PDT

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          •  the choir staying on key (3+ / 0-)

            Very well said.  There are a lot of people who have negative opinions, but still don't know just how bad it is.  A lot of people hear about PNAC for the first time, and their eyes glaze over with the over-conspiracied to death look.  The more common the group and their goals become in discourse means that many will read about it over and over, and then it can  sink in.

            I have a Republican cousin who wouldn't listen to anything I said about "neocons" because that couldn't be a real word, a real idea.  Sigh.

  •  could you imagine... (14+ / 0-)
    ...if Karen Kwiatkowski and (an ungagged) Sibel Edmonds were given as much MSM airtime as the monica/bill shenanigans????

    "The Lie Factory"  is an article someone linked to when it first came out... it really helped me understand what went on before the iraq invasion

    •  Great link to Mother Jones article. (9+ / 0-)

      Thanks.  And yes, I think about Edmonds every day.

      Here's something from the article you linked:

      According to Lt. Colonel Kwiatkowski, Luti and Shulsky ran NESA and the Office of Special Plans with brutal efficiency, purging people they disagreed with and enforcing the party line. "It was organized like a machine," she says. "The people working on the neocon agenda had a narrow, well-defined political agenda. They had a sense of mission." At NESA, Shulsky, she says, began "hot-desking," or taking an office wherever he could find one, working with Feith and Luti, before formally taking the reins of the newly created OSP. Together, she says, Luti and Shulsky turned cherry-picked pieces of uncorroborated, anti-Iraq intelligence into talking points, on issues like Iraq's WMD and its links to Al Qaeda. Shulsky constantly updated these papers, drawing on the intelligence unit, and circulated them to Pentagon officials, including Rumsfeld, and to Vice President Cheney. "Of course, we never thought they'd go directly to the White House," she adds.

      Kwiatkowski recalls one meeting in which Luti, pressed to finish a report, told the staff, "I've got to get this over to 'Scooter' right away." She later found out that "Scooter" was none other than Lewis "Scooter" Libby, Vice President Cheney's chief of staff. According to Kwiatkowski, Cheney had direct ties through Luti into NESA/OSP, a connection that was highly unorthodox.

      "Never, ever, ever would a deputy undersecretary of Defense work directly on a project for the vice president," she says. "It was a little clue that we had an informal network into Vice President Cheney's office."

      A few weeks ago, we did an icebreaker at work. Each of us said our favorite reality TV show. I said I prefer actual reality. OrangeClouds115

      by Yellow Canary on Mon Apr 03, 2006 at 02:26:56 PM PDT

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      •  It is not too uncommon... (8+ / 0-)
        in the business world for high-level executives to undercut the normal chain of command by bypassing the responsible parties and going directly to the "on the line" source for a "real" answer.  But in the governmental world, to start a disastrous never-ending war in this fashion is really quite frightening.

        It reminds me of the behavior of Hitler as recorded in Albert Speer's "Inside the Third Reich."  Whenever the Fuhrer was dissatisfied with a temporizing remark or inaction by a direct subordinate, he would seek out the next-in-command until he got a favorable response.  Speer experienced this first hand in the armaments bailiwick and observed it more ominously with the military.

        Flaunting bureaucratic procedures and "getting things done" is often applauded - in this case, it resulted in deaths, assassinations, beheadings, rampant kidnappings, over 20,000 American casualties, the destruction of the U.S.'s fiscal position, the depletion of our armed forces, the loss of world credibility when the extent of Bush's lies became known and the demoralization of the citizenry.  Moreover, with Republican abdication of oversight and accountability, the situation will last for at least three more years, with more and more carnage to follow.  

        Let justice reign though the heavens tremble

        by Viceroy on Mon Apr 03, 2006 at 02:50:50 PM PDT

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  •  One thing the NeoCons didn't consider (19+ / 0-)

    War creates liberals.

    Consider that the aftermath of war, whether Vietnam or WWII, is the time of liberal progress. Now, we have Fighting Dems, changed by the experience of actual war.

    It is not a coincidence that the warmongers of the "War" on Terror have never seen actual war.

  •  She was... (2+ / 0-)
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    ... awesome. My alarm clock is set to CSPAN radio and I actually came fully awake when I heard her and listened to the whole program instead of hitting snooze and going back to sleep like I usually do.

    She sounded very up front and credible and honest.

    We shall fight them on the internets. We shall fight in the Starbucks, and in the streets, we shall fight them on the Hill. We shall never surrender!

    by bhlogger on Mon Apr 03, 2006 at 02:50:34 PM PDT

  •  Karen Kwiatkowski is an American hero (7+ / 0-)

    Years from now, if reason prevails, people will wonder why Karen, only a Lieutenant Colonel, was the only officer to denounce the cooking of WMD intelligence.

    Great diary Yellow Canary.

    Dailykos.com; an oasis of truth. -1.75 -7.23

    by Shockwave on Mon Apr 03, 2006 at 02:55:52 PM PDT

  •  If only we could only get her a bigger bullhorn. (2+ / 0-)
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    tikkun, buhdydharma

    sigh.

    resist much, obey little

    by frankzappatista on Mon Apr 03, 2006 at 03:06:53 PM PDT

    •  Her political party (1+ / 0-)
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      gave her a speaking post at the 2004 National Convention.

      Polling (mind you, trying to poll third party activists is a challenge) indicates very strong support for her, in her party, as a candidate for Vice President (that was the office polled).

      So perhaps there will be a bullhorn.

    •  Bit by bit. Much to see here. Keep talking. (2+ / 0-)
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      buhdydharma, SherriG

      Americans have been turning away from Bush at the rate of 2 per second (iirc).  Now, through what must total as hundreds of thousands of man hours ranging from just reading to active dissent to criminal inquiry, the majority of Americans see Bush for the incompetent war-monger he is.

      Some of will move on to hanging the noose of war crimes (illegal war of aggression) around the PNAC brethren.

      A few weeks ago, we did an icebreaker at work. Each of us said our favorite reality TV show. I said I prefer actual reality. OrangeClouds115

      by Yellow Canary on Mon Apr 03, 2006 at 03:41:24 PM PDT

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  •  people should (2+ / 0-)
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    Yellow Canary, buhdydharma

    read the whole transcript! It's long but really full of nuggets.

  •  We the people must try to spread the truth... (2+ / 0-)
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    buhdydharma, land of the free

    Billions of $$$ are spent by this corrupt administration to keep the TRUTH OUT.  Time to use the power of the people to change - to inform others of their deceit - with facts.  Thank you Karen for your courage.  You are a true patriot.
    --------------
    "Make men wise, and by that very operation you make them free.

    Civil liberty follows as a consequence of this; no usurped power can stand against the artillery of opinion."

    William Godwin - (1756-1836)

  •  Want to know the saddest part of this? (9+ / 0-)

    Karen was talking loud and often about these things during the 2004 election, as were others.

    You can read my journal and see photos from my recent trip to Afghanistan at http://www.travelblog.org/Bloggers/Sharon-Jumper/

    by Sharon Jumper on Mon Apr 03, 2006 at 03:58:03 PM PDT

  •  Pulling threads together (2+ / 0-)
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    Thanks for this excellent diary.  Between this one, and
    "Remember Kent State (or else). A Warning To Protesters by Zwoof,"
    and recently having read "Crashing the Gate," I'm coming to see a fairly impressive sweep of recent history.  And the essence is that these people have a master plan in spite of all appearances of the empty suit that they elected to office.  

    One of the big issues I still don't understand is the Star Wars (well, alias Strategic Defense Initiative, or whatever is it they are calling it this year).  WTH is the point of that?  Is is just--

    a/  Throwing money to the defense contractors and cronies,
    b/  More of Ted Stevens' pork (I live in Alaska, but don't expect me to excuse Mr. Stevens),
    c/  Just recreational treaty violations of the arms control agreements, based on some quasi religious conviction of the republicans,
    d/  A secretly valid and effective weapons system that will be part of the new world order in the near future when armageddon breaks out,
    e/  Some pitiful arms race with North Korea, or
    f/  Some bizarre concept that I haven't even thought of, or
    g/  A combination of the above?

    Note that I have not abused the list with a poll.  I would really like to see some discussion of this issue.  

    Thanks,

    PK
    Sometimes you eat the bear, and sometimes the bear eats you.

    •  It satiisfies many functions at the same time (2+ / 0-)
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      Unduna, Yellow Canary

      Its conception was a basically a public relations program to intimidate The Ruuskies a Conservative would tell you that Reagan won the Col war by taking a tough stand AND the important one...outspending the Soviets to put such a strain on their economy, that something would give. It worked! Star Wars was the ultimate weapon in the Money War to keep up with the Americans the Communists would have to spend billions and billions of dollars to prevent a Star Wars gap (see Dr. Strangelove early sixties movies) It was far, far more complex than that of course. But it was one of the big factors that lead to Soviet collapse

      But the Military Industrial Complex got its hooks in and has been harvesting tax dollars ever since. One of the ironies is that pre9/11 Bushco was bringing it back instead of worrying about terror.

      Whose missiles are we protecting against Now? Lichtenstein? heehee yet still thery spend billions!

      You can't lick the system...but you can give it a damn good fondling!

      by buhdydharma on Mon Apr 03, 2006 at 08:34:11 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  The needles on the pines glint so in the sun. (0+ / 0-)

        I remember reading something that suddenly sparkled.  I know nothing of weaponry -- perhaps you can stitch the patches together.

        It went something like this:  the US had (legally or otherwise) sold some munitions to other countries which allowed them -- the details were in either the range of the weapon or the way it split into multiple warheads -- to attack the US in a way that the US was suddenly unprepared to defend.  So StarWars™ had, initially, a technical and tactical raison-d'être, separate from policy ("Let's break the Russians"), which stole in later, like an ambitious infection to an immuno-compromised patient.

        For the record, didn't physicists (a reality-based community if ever there was one) almost to a person declare the whole prospect physically impossible?

        My spidey-sense (highly developed in the bird brain, btw) has long wondered where all the StarWars™ moolah goes.  Seems like a great big cash pit for the Rumsfelds in the DoD to quarry and mine as best fits their mad fantasies.

        I see them bound by a philosophy with plans and tactics to impose their will on other countries. - G. Bush, on terrorists, 3/21/06

        by Yellow Canary on Tue Apr 04, 2006 at 08:46:46 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  Still do (1+ / 0-)
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          For the record, didn't physicists (a reality-based community if ever there was one) almost to a person declare the whole prospect physically impossible?

          They keep making the tests easier and easier. And it still fails1

          At this point, last I heard even knowing the EXACT LOCATION AND FREQUENCY of the incomimng missile, it still didn't work.

          They should put the money into the other P'gon Secret Weapon....Weather Weapons....no kidding.

          Haarp

          You can't lick the system...but you can give it a damn good fondling!

          by buhdydharma on Tue Apr 04, 2006 at 09:09:37 AM PDT

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    •  Triggers the Manhattan Project Gene (2+ / 0-)
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      in war-tech males.

      Half a century ago Ike warned us about the military-industrial complex.

      Here's a clue: it wasn't a prediction, it was a summary.

      We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy....--ML King, "Beyond Vietnam"

      by Gooserock on Tue Apr 04, 2006 at 12:15:40 AM PDT

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  •  Very, very well done...and only one typo (2+ / 0-)
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    We must continue to bring attention to the root philosophy that is driving the agenda. Unbelievably to us, those that have more than two brain cells to rub together to create a spark of common sense, some people still think of our King...oops...Dictator, il Dubya (ooh, I can't believe I haven't thought of that one before) is an innocent puppet or naive babe in the woods. I have even taken to leaving things like this lying around the site.

    As the midterm Putsch begins we must stay on top of the image of Bush, they will attempt to infantalize him. he is to young to get alzheimers yet, like reagan at the 'I have no memory, but thats ok, I was only in charge of the largest nuclear arsenal.....etc. defense.

    Anywaaaay

    Bless you for trying, dear heart, and never give up but, the facts you speak of...though solid and hard are still well outside of most humans perceptual feild of 'vision'. I would be happy to expand upon that at the drop of a hat, of course.

    You can't lick the system...but you can give it a damn good fondling!

    by buhdydharma on Mon Apr 03, 2006 at 04:13:08 PM PDT

  •  shifting footprint in the sand: that reminds me (1+ / 0-)
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    "sticking our dick in the sand of someone else's desert." -Ani DiFranco

    self evident
    (inspired by the WTC disaster)

    yes,
    us people are just poems
    we're 90% metaphor
    with a leanness of meaning
    approaching hyper-distillation
    and once upon a time
    we were moonshine
    rushing down the throat of a giraffe
    yes, rushing down the long hallway
    despite what the p.a. announcement says
    yes, rushing down the long stairs
    with the whiskey of eternity
    fermented and distilled
    to eighteen minutes
    burning down our throats
    down the hall
    down the stairs
    in a building so tall
    that it will always be there
    yes, it's part of a pair
    there on the bow of noah's ark
    the most prestigious couple
    just kickin back parked
    against a perfectly blue sky
    on a morning beatific
    in its indian summer breeze
    on the day that america
    fell to its knees
    after strutting around for a century
    without saying thank you
    or please

    and the shock was subsonic
    and the smoke was deafening
    between the setup and the punch line
    cuz we were all on time for work that day
    we all boarded that plane for to fly
    and then while the fires were raging
    we all climbed up on the windowsill
    and then we all held hands
    and jumped into the sky

    and every borough looked up when it heard the first blast
    and then every dumb action movie was summarily surpassed
    and the exodus uptown by foot and motorcar
    looked more like war than anything i've seen so far
    so far
    so far
    so fierce and ingenious
    a poetic specter so far gone
    that every jackass newscaster was struck dumb and stumbling
    over 'oh my god' and 'this is unbelievable' and on and on
    and i'll tell you what, while we're at it
    you can keep the pentagon
    keep the propaganda
    keep each and every tv
    that's been trying to convince me
    to participate
    in some prep school punk's plan to perpetuate retribution
    perpetuate retribution
    even as the blue toxic smoke of our lesson in retribution
    is still hanging in the air
    and there's ash on our shoes
    and there's ash in our hair
    and there's a fine silt on every mantle
    from hell's kitchen to brooklyn
    and the streets are full of stories
    sudden twists and near misses
    and soon every open bar is crammed to the rafters
    with tales of narrowly averted disasters
    and the whiskey is flowin
    like never before
    as all over the country
    folks just shake their heads
    and pour

    so here's a toast to all the folks who live in palestine
    afghanistan
    iraq

    el salvador

    here's a toast to the folks living on the pine ridge reservation
    under the stone cold gaze of mt. rushmore

    here's a toast to all those nurses and doctors
    who daily provide women with a choice
    who stand down a threat the size of oklahoma city
    just to listen to a young woman's voice

    here's a toast to all the folks on death row right now
    awaiting the executioner's guillotine
    who are shackled there with dread and can only escape into their heads
    to find peace in the form of a dream

    cuz take away our playstations
    and we are a third world nation
    under the thumb of some blue blood royal son
    who stole the oval office and that phony election
    i mean
    it don't take a weatherman
    to look around and see the weather
    jeb said he'd deliver florida, folks
    and boy did he ever

    and we hold these truths to be self evident:
    #1 george w. bush is not president
    #2 america is not a true democracy
    #3 the media is not fooling me
    cuz i am a poem heeding hyper-distillation
    i've got no room for a lie so verbose
    i'm looking out over my whole human family
    and i'm raising my glass in a toast

    here's to our last drink of fossil fuels
    let us vow to get off of this sauce
    shoo away the swarms of commuter planes
    and find that train ticket we lost
    cuz once upon a time the line followed the river
    and peeked into all the backyards
    and the laundry was waving
    the graffiti was teasing us
    from brick walls and bridges
    we were rolling over ridges
    through valleys
    under stars
    i dream of touring like duke ellington
    in my own railroad car
    i dream of waiting on the tall blonde wooden benches
    in a grand station aglow with grace
    and then standing out on the platform
    and feeling the air on my face

    give back the night its distant whistle
    give the darkness back its soul
    give the big oil companies the finger finally
    and relearn how to rock-n-roll
    yes, the lessons are all around us and a change is waiting there
    so it's time to pick through the rubble, clean the streets
    and clear the air
    *get our government to pull its big dick out of the sand
    of someone else's desert*
    put it back in its pants
    and quit the hypocritical chants of
    freedom forever

    cuz when one lone phone rang
    in two thousand and one
    at ten after nine
    on nine one one
    which is the number we all called
    when that lone phone rang right off the wall
    right off our desk and down the long hall
    down the long stairs
    in a building so tall
    that the whole world turned
    just to watch it fall

    and while we're at it
    remember the first time around?
    the bomb?
    the ryder truck?
    the parking garage?
    the princess that didn't even feel the pea?
    remember joking around in our apartment on avenue D?

    can you imagine how many paper coffee cups would have to change their design
    following a fantastical reversal of the new york skyline?!

    it was a joke, of course
    it was a joke
    at the time
    and that was just a few years ago
    so let the record show
    that the FBI was all over that case
    that the plot was obvious and in everybody's face
    and scoping that scene
    religiously
    the CIA
    or is it KGB?
    committing countless crimes against humanity
    with this kind of eventuality
    as its excuse
    for abuse after expensive abuse
    and it didn't have a clue
    look, another window to see through
    way up here
    on the 104th floor
    look
    another key

    another door

    10% literal

    90% metaphor

    3000 some poems disguised as people
    on an almost too perfect day
    should be more than pawns
    in some asshole's passion play
    so now it's your job
    and it's my job
    to make it that way
    to make sure they didn't die in vain

    sshhhhhh....

    baby listen
    hear the train?

    "For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted"

    by donailin on Mon Apr 03, 2006 at 04:17:11 PM PDT

  •  A must read or view (1+ / 0-)
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  •  Oh, the dream of Empire.... (0+ / 0-)

    Of Ceasar and Rome, of Constantine and Constatinople, of King George and London, of legions, of redcoats, of Reichs and destiny, devinely ordained. Rule by a few, misery for all.

    "Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful." Seneca

    by Ralfast on Mon Apr 03, 2006 at 04:29:13 PM PDT

  •  I saw the interview early this morning (3+ / 0-)

    and I was awed at her.  Such a genuine human being and hero.

    I guess it takes really bad times to bring the truthtellers and true heroes out, such as Gore, Feingold, Zinni, and now her.

    I know I'm missing several worthy names here, so please feel free to add onto the list of current electrifying truth tellers.

    P.S.  Bill Moyers is another one.

    We need to focus on these people and feature them when and wherever we can.

    "We are the ones we've been waiting for." ---The Elders, Oraibi, Arizona Hopi Nation

    by Gabriele Droz on Mon Apr 03, 2006 at 04:37:23 PM PDT

  •  Why We Fight ... (3+ / 0-)
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    ...is a film every American in every city and remote holler ought to see.

  •  Hope this'll be on The Countdown (2+ / 0-)
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    tikkun, buhdydharma

    Come on Keith, this is important!

  •  I actually referenced and dairied (4+ / 0-)
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    about the Kwaitkowski interview on Q&A back in June.  Keep up the good work, maintaining the visibility of this issue.

    Vyan

  •  She decided to get out (2+ / 0-)
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    The rate things are going, we are going to have two choices:  die fighting to get our country back from the Pentagon fascists, or leave permanently.

    I'm going for dual citizenship in Europe.

    The so-called, "Global War On Terror" IS Terrorism!

    by november3rd on Mon Apr 03, 2006 at 05:45:31 PM PDT

  •  She's courageous and has always been (2+ / 0-)
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    straight about this war.  There were 3 army/marine officers on Charley Rose tonight.  Talk about spinning.  I had to leave the room and take a dramamine.  but the host taking Charley's place was awestruck.  Why don't they ever have regular people ask questions.  Will I hear them on NPR if we bomb Iran -- no doubt!  It's a great way for generals etc. to make extra $$$.

    The beneficiaries are likely to be...large corporations and development firms. (O'Connor, J. dissenting in Kelo). God bless you, J. O'Connor.

    by xanthe on Mon Apr 03, 2006 at 06:27:16 PM PDT

  •  Lt. Col Karen was great... (1+ / 0-)
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    Why hasn't mainstream media picked this up? Oh wait, what am I thinking!? OK, OK, go ahead, bop me in my head, I was thinking our media wasn't controlled by the corporate elite.

    When majority come around to accept and see the truth, and that IS happening, what do you expect to happen?

    Would love for you to checkout http://stormingamerican.blogspot.com/

    by StormingAmerican on Mon Apr 03, 2006 at 06:36:53 PM PDT

  •  Neoconservatives (5+ / 0-)

    Neoconservatism is one of the results of eliminating compulsory military service in the United States.  Ending the draft emboldened rich white boys to try to impose their views on the rest of the world without the risk of having to do the dirty work themselves.

    •  not very clear thinking (2+ / 0-)
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      When have rich white boys EVER been drafted?  In Vietnam?  Bush was where?  Cheney was where?
      Korea?
      WWII?
      WWI?
      Spanish American War?
      Civil War?

      War of 1812?

      Revolutionary War?

      When?

      The draft is involuntary servitude and is prohibited by the 13th amendment.  It only serves to provide able bodied canon fodder to realize the dreams of the powerful.

      Bringing back the draft is not a reasoned answer to our predicament.

      With an all volunteer armny this adventurism will come to an end.  It is happening already.  The military is falling short of new recruits.  Those in the military are not re-enlisting.  The military is about to starve--please don't propose that we feed it!!!

      W - all boots & hat, no cattle .75, -7.54

      by Mosquito Pilot on Tue Apr 04, 2006 at 04:46:53 AM PDT

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      •  Civil War (1+ / 0-)
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        It was plain and simple, then you bought your way out of the Draft for three hundred dollars. a lot of money then that only the rich could afford.

        The Rich don't fight the wars, they breed the people who keep getting us into them, thats why they are Rich....AND.....autobrake!

        You can't lick the system...but you can give it a damn good fondling!

        by buhdydharma on Tue Apr 04, 2006 at 10:14:57 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  Neoconservatives (1+ / 0-)
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    Neoconservatism is one of the results of eliminating compulsory military service in the United States.  Ending the draft emboldened rich white boys to try to impose their views on the rest of the world without the risk of having to do the dirty work themselves.

  •  I hope people aren't surprised, it's obvious (2+ / 0-)
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    that it was a conspiracy that led us into Iraq war.  We all know, it's only some of us that have accepted the reality.  And we've been trying for years to get the rest of you to accept it.

    They are war criminals who conspired to illegally invade Iraq.

  •  Yet another former Republican (2+ / 0-)
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    Turned vehemently against her former ideology. Clarke, O'Neill, hell even Donald Trump has broadcast his contempt.

    •  Kwiatkowski has not turned, as she specifies ... (1+ / 0-)
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      ... the Republican Party has turned away from her.  Bushism was never her ideology, nor that of most of Republican Party.

      The Party, like the evangelical church, has been wrested from the majority of its adherents.

      A great deal of their continued strength comes from the fact that people have no label for Bushism and the NeoCon criminals who hide behind the heavy drapes of Republicanism (whatever one thinks of that) and, loosely, "the church".  (This is one of Rove's great rhetorical orchestrations -- and splitting the criminals off from the valid American trunks into which they have been so successfully spliced should be near the top of the action list of any who oppose Bushism and its un-American, anti-Constitutional agenda.)

      I see them bound by a philosophy with plans and tactics to impose their will on other countries. - G. Bush, on terrorists, 3/21/06

      by Yellow Canary on Tue Apr 04, 2006 at 09:01:51 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Incredibly credible (6+ / 0-)

    I saw this at 8:00pm on C-SPAN last evening, and was so taken by how objectively and authoritatively she spoke, that I watched it again at 11:00pm and recorded it at 6:00am this morning.  The exerpts from the movie were believable and interesting but would immediately project bias from some wingnut.  However, I thought "live", this woman was as smart and objective as anyone I have seen who was this close to the "inside", and she was as "inside" as anyone I have seen.  This is must see TV and somehow she needs to be convinced to take her story to the MSM.    

  •  Don't forget that Wolfowitz..... (7+ / 0-)

    wanted Posse Comitatus evicerated.  All the neocons were in on this.  He testified before the Armed Services Commitee that federal troops should have more of a roll in domestic policing to prevent terrorism.  "In certain cases we can do more than anyone else in the country because of the special capabilities that we have."  Ladies and gents that statement and Ari Fleicher's "Americans need to watch what they say, were the prulude to NSA spooking of domestic persons.  The problem is that war was not declared, much less martial law in these United States.  Law enforcement was still oporating and the courts were still open to do the people's business.

    Behold the twenty first century GESTAPO.  The Project for the New American Century.

    BushCo Policy... If you aren't outraged, you haven't been paying attention. -3.25 -2.26

    by Habanero on Mon Apr 03, 2006 at 09:02:02 PM PDT

  •  Let the Johnny Come Latelies come running. (3+ / 0-)
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  •  Suggested reading list to prep newbies for PNAC (5+ / 0-)

    Back in the early part of the run up to war...three articles zinged my interest.  Ever after, I used them as manditory introductory reading for those I introduced to PNAC

    The first,The President's REAL Goal In Iraq, an interview of Robert Kagan by Jay Bookman, at that time associate editor of the Atlanta Journal Constitution, is the best off all possible introductions to the whole mess. (scroll down to the third item)

    The second piece of preliminary manditory reading is the 1997 white paper that Wurmser, Feith, and Perle wrote for Bebe Netenyahu A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm.

    The third introductory piece is impossible to find online any longer though there are references to it.  Titled Saddam Must Go, and written in 1997 by Robert Kagan and William Kristol for the Weekly Standard, it states the objective of the current Department of Defense clearly definitively, howbeit in short form.  

    The time line of these articles points out in bold relief to those new to PNAC that the Iraq war was planned long before the 2001.  No tinfoil hattery about it!

  •  Have pegged the WH as Democracy-haters (2+ / 0-)
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    for a long time now - but it's something to see someone with some sort of actual connections come out and say it:

    I think, for guys like Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, a lot of the neo-conservatives, even George W. Bush and certainly Cheney, the vision is that we are not really a republic anymore

    It's seemed clear to me that Bushco and their wannabee Royalist fans see Democracy as an outmoded and antiquated system that lacks the 'facility' needed for a burgeoning expansionist empire and its' Royalist class.

    It's weird to think how during the McCarthy era - the american public were made to be so fearful of commies that hardly even existed, while NOW this gang in the WH poses a MUCH greater threat to our form of govt and the public and the commercial media has to be poked with a stick just to even ADMIT anything might be wrong.

  •  Two or more years ago, Karen went on (4+ / 0-)
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    Fox and put forth her position. After she left, they talked about her as if she were looney. I wrote her an email thanking her and warning her to watch her back and she was kind enough to respond.

    "Some get the gravy...Some get the gristle...Some get the marrow bone...And some get nothing...Though there's plenty to spare" Joni Mitchell

    by lecsmith on Mon Apr 03, 2006 at 10:25:51 PM PDT

  •  Last June Lt. Col. Kwiatkowski was interviewed... (1+ / 0-)
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    ...by Alysheba in a DailyKos exclusive.

    Still very relevant.

    Karen is very much a libertarian and now writes in LewRockwell.com and in Militaryweek.com.

    Dailykos.com; an oasis of truth. -1.75 -7.23

    by Shockwave on Mon Apr 03, 2006 at 11:04:32 PM PDT

  •  two words (1+ / 0-)
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    Leo Strauss.

    Give him a read sometime. He's the philosophical father of the neo-cons via Plato. According to Strauss, the masses can't handle the truth and thus must be lied to. Moreover, lying in service of an elite vision of the Good is perfectly OK because the masses are too stupid and craven to do the Good on their own.

    I have to admit, America's anemic reaction to the Bush years almost confirms Straussian ideology. I mean, can a people that elected Bush president even once be considered capable of self-government?

    •  i agree whole heartedly (1+ / 0-)
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      there must be times when strauss's political prodigy call each other up and say, the old guy was right!  I thought he was off his rocker and it would never actually work on the American people but he was right!

    •  They Own and Operate the Public Square (2+ / 0-)
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      with systems that are dimensions beyond the conception and sane management of our Constitution.

      The masses would have to be rocket scientists to figure out what's going on from within the United States of America.

      can a people that elected Bush president even once be considered capable of self-government?

      Can some parchments that are wholely uninformed about their world be considered to describe an actual government?

      We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy....--ML King, "Beyond Vietnam"

      by Gooserock on Tue Apr 04, 2006 at 12:23:10 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  I posted this on another thread (4+ / 0-)

      and hope it's not poor etiquette to repeat here..

      That the scary thing is that behind this policy of dumbing down, disinformation and outright lies is a coherent philosophy.  Leo Strauss, who according to Wikipedia,

      ... is widely considered to be one of the leading intellectual sources of neoconservatism.

      People can't handle the truth...

      Strauss noted that thinkers of the first rank, going back to Plato, had raised the problem of whether good and effective politicians could be completely truthful and still achieve the necessary ends of their society. By implication, Strauss asks his readers to consider whether "noble lies" (Plato) have any role at all to play in uniting and guiding the cities of man. Are certain, unprovable "myths" taught by wise leaders needed to give most people meaning and purpose and to ensure a stable society? Or can society flourish on a foundation of those "deadly truths" (Nietzsche) limited to what we can know absolutely?

      Of course the plan that Straussian "Philosophers" and "Scholars" are implementing may not be the same plan that any non-psychopathic human would like to be part of.

      -7.75 -6.46 ...be grateful every day for the brief but magnificent opportunity that life provides. ~ Carl Sagan

      by andrewinscotland on Tue Apr 04, 2006 at 08:30:37 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  The Strauss question is worth pursuing ... (0+ / 0-)

        ... but I would like to gently nudge the discussion back towards action today.

        There may be time to discuss how things happened, and why, but right now the best we can do with our consciousness is focus on actions, and laws, and criminality, and recourse.

        I am, more than most, compelled to open the first door on the left -- the one marked "Intellectualization" -- and leave the clamor in the main hall for those who enjoy rubbing shoulders and getting things done.  I think we should hang a temporary sign on the door handle, a tag saying something like "Just wait.  These treasures perdure.  Build your table and serve your meal, and later you can drink your desert wine from these cups."  Too often I focus on why and how things happen, and loose track of what happened.

        Crimes were committed.  People died.  Fortunes were misspent.

        Let's keep the focus there.  Let's work to keep it absolutely real -- at least until the criminals are tried.

        I see them bound by a philosophy with plans and tactics to impose their will on other countries. - G. Bush, on terrorists, 3/21/06

        by Yellow Canary on Tue Apr 04, 2006 at 09:14:33 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

      •  It's weird... (0+ / 0-)

        but the American public seems especially oblivious  to the reality of its own basic self-interests.  This reality has been surplanted by an alternate reality that is really just a grab-bag of fantasies.  
        From mega churches to mass entertainment, the public seems to almost have been purposefully led into a lifestyle in which all their living, thinking, dreaming, exploring, playing, and even lovemaking is done through surrogates.

  •  Yes, the bases have been the goal (4+ / 0-)
    from the very beginning.  That is, a permanent presence for the American military on the edge of the Asian landmass has been a goal since before Vietnam.  Indeed, it was the goal in Vietnam which Nixon, the guy who made nice with China, nixed and so he had to be removed.
    And who was not there while the actual removal was accomplished by feeding some information to the media (don't forget that Woodward was fed a story)?  Cheney suddenly took off to make more money in the private sector for his young family and Rumsfeld had himself assigned to NATO (a nowhere organization at that point in time) until Ford called them back to get the White House in order.

    What did JFK and Nixon have in common?  JFK took the missiles out of Turkey and Nixon abandoned the bases in Vietnam.  There's more than one way to remove a President.

    BTW, the Domino Theory was mis-understood.  It wasn't about countries falling; it was about nations being stymied.  Still is.  The American military presence on the edge of the Indian Ocean basin is supposed to "assure access" to the game so the other players can be stymied.

    Forget "GOD, GUNS, GAYS, GIRLS & GETS"

    by hannah on Tue Apr 04, 2006 at 02:13:26 AM PDT

  •  yellow canary- GENERIC had a diary entry before (1+ / 0-)
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    civil society's diary entry. civil society has his dated April 03 and GENERIC has his dated April 02 I can only go by is the dates of kos marked enteries!
    I am not sure GENERIC had the 1st entry either!

    Lt. Col. Karen Kwiatkowski, (ret.) Thank You!
    by generic [Subscribe] [Edit Diary]
    Sun Apr 02, 2006 at 06:55:40 PM PDT
    Karen Kwiatkowski, Lt. Col. USAF (ret.)

    Karen Kwiatkowski recently retired from the active duty USAF as a Lieutenant Colonel. Her final assignment was as a political-military affairs officer in the Office of the Secretary of Defense, Under Secretary for Policy, in the Sub-Saharan Africa and Near East South Asia (NESA) Policy directorates.

    During Col. Kwiatkowski's time at NESA, she worked the North Africa desk, in the sister office to the Office of Special Plans. Prior to the Office of Secretary of Defense assignment, she served on the Air Force Staff, Operations Directorate at the Pentagon, the staff of the Director of the National Security Agency (NSA) at Fort Meade, Maryland, and served tours in Alaska, Massachusetts, Spain and Italy.

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    I DO FEEL THAT MANY MANY AUTHORS AND FINE BLOGGERS HAVE BEEN READING HEE AND NOT CREDITING HER BUT RATHER USING HERE GREAT DEPTH OF CONCERN, KNOWLEDGE AND INSIGHT FOR THEIR ON APPEARANCE OF BRILLANCE!

    Now how's a fellow prove a thing like that suspicion?

    Coming to your town soon! The Social Security Adminstartion Electric and Power Company. "Omen Tuffy" 1918-1992

    by generic on Tue Apr 04, 2006 at 06:11:25 AM PDT

  •  One word (1+ / 0-)
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    I know everyone has said that the war in Iraq is about oil, but I think it is something deeper and more sinister than that: Empire.  

    And the implications of that one word are enormous...

    Jesus is coming soon to apologize for allowing the Republicans to breed. -homemade bumper sticker, Tulsa, OK

    by tryptamine on Tue Apr 04, 2006 at 06:26:52 AM PDT

    •  Oil and Empire are inextricable in our ... (0+ / 0-)

      ... moment in history.

      For much prescient reporting on Bushism and Empire, you can do no better than Empire Burlesque -- both the ongoing (and trenchant) BLOG and the great BOOK.

      I see them bound by a philosophy with plans and tactics to impose their will on other countries. - G. Bush, on terrorists, 3/21/06

      by Yellow Canary on Tue Apr 04, 2006 at 09:28:03 AM PDT

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  •  The PNAC roaches (3+ / 0-)
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    can't stand the light of day.  Thanks to everyone who has written about Karen.
    She and Juan Cole are the noon day sun.

    •  Just wait til we get the retroactive sock (0+ / 0-)

      out of Sibils mouth.

      Oh yeah, remember to send good thoughts to Sibil's bodyguards as well as Sibil. Those guys must be sweatin

      You can't lick the system...but you can give it a damn good fondling!

      by buhdydharma on Tue Apr 04, 2006 at 09:15:47 AM PDT

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  •  More about PNAC (1+ / 0-)
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    The San Francisco Chronicle has a report on David Ray Griffin's belief that the PNAC were behind 911.  

    When asked what the most compelling facts are to make the case that the U.S. government was complicit in the attacks, Griffin names three things. The behavior of Bush at the schoolhouse in Florida ("Secret Service should have whisked him out immediately if we're under attack but he stayed over 30 minutes. ... It's pretty clear evidence that they knew they wouldn't be attacked"), the strange pyrotechnics that brought down the World Trade Center ("fire has never brought down a steel high-rise building") and the poorly planned targeting of the West Wing of the Pentagon ("all the important people are in the East Wing -- it doesn't make any sense").

    Not sure how often this has made the mainstream press up till now.

    See Loose Change  for the most compelling argument I've seen that the conspiracy that the September 11 tragedy was caused by 19 men led by a guru in a cave may not be the best explanation of that terrible day.

    -7.75 -6.46 ...be grateful every day for the brief but magnificent opportunity that life provides. ~ Carl Sagan

    by andrewinscotland on Tue Apr 04, 2006 at 08:24:53 AM PDT

    •  lets go one step at a time (2+ / 0-)
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      Its making the leaps that turns folk off. (though I agree with you)

      I hate to say it but Griffin does not carry much wieght. One of  the bodies left by the road, I'm afraid that will turn out to have been right all along.

      The point now though is to introduce evidence and concepts slowly and rationally. Just like Fitz building his cases. Establish one fact then move on to the next.

      Thanks. stay alert!

      You can't lick the system...but you can give it a damn good fondling!

      by buhdydharma on Tue Apr 04, 2006 at 09:19:49 AM PDT

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    •  excellent diary (1+ / 0-)
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      I recently watched 'The Power of Nightmares' but have yet to see 'Why We Fight'.  I have been following politics for 30 years and have known that this Republic was not as it appeared to be.  The books and history are available to those willing to do their homework.  We are living in historical times.  I appreciated reading the comments on this thread.  I see many here are very informed and yes, the Truth will set us Free.  We are absolutely witnessing a Revolution in Consciousness, many will awaken, many will not.  This thread gives me hope.

    •  'Loose Change' is not in the same league ... (0+ / 0-)

      ... as the other documentaries and texts listed elsewhere in this thread.

      As the wise (but unspellable) buhdydharma says, all things in their time.  Those ideas have their place -- but we don't have facts to support the conclusions.

      We have facts which prove that PNAC hijacked the US Government via the Executive Office (via Cheney) and the DoD (via Rumsfeld) and that Bush's Iraq war is an illegal war of aggression.

      War of aggression is one of the most heinous crimes (second only, perhaps -- ianal -- to genocide).

      Speaking of which:  read about Condi's just breaking admission of criminality here.

      I see them bound by a philosophy with plans and tactics to impose their will on other countries. - G. Bush, on terrorists, 3/21/06

      by Yellow Canary on Tue Apr 04, 2006 at 09:37:31 AM PDT

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      •  agreed - 911revisited is better (0+ / 0-)

        see 911revisited.com if you haven't already.  It doesn't matter if Griffin "doesn't carry much weight", because he is right.  It doesn't help us to take one thing at a time, when 9-11 is the only reason for which anyone has ever supported Bush that has not yet been acknowledged by the mass media to be a lie.  Only the pressure from the people knowing the truth will force the Clintons, Obamas, and Jon Stewarts of the world to acknowledge the facts and help us to heal, prosecute, and move on.  At this point, if you are not demanding a new investigation into 9-11, you are only helping people get away with murder and I think everyone understands just how wrong that is.

  •  Insider Notes From the Pentagon (2+ / 0-)
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    Great to see Karen Kwiatkowski's name be highlighted at Kos, so many thanks. I've been reading Kwiatkowski since she started writing in 2002, doing her "insider notes from the pentagon" series at hackworth's site. She's been a fantastic source of information since the beginning of the Bush/Cheney WAR ON AMERICA.

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