I was in transit to one of the waypoints on my journey during the recent Troll Hunter Witch Hunts. Thank Goddess!
I read Darrell's diary and all the comments and several of the others, but haven't gotten the full context of the responding diaries etc. so I admit some ignorance. That doesn't stop me from saying that in fact 90% of what I've seen completely misses the point.
You People are naive and somnolent!!!!
Some of you seem to think this is a game or a garden party where the rules of etiquette take precedence. You seem to think that you are posting on some neighborhhod improvement association blog where the most important thing to be decided is what kind of flowers to plant. NICETY is not the objective! Rational discourse with "the Opposition' left the bulding a decade ago. This is full out political WAR.
WAKE THE FUCK UP!
THIS is the largest POLITICAL blog, think tank, mouthpeice and opinion shaper on the left.
True or false?
Our Opponent is the slimiest, nastiest, most morally and ethically vacous being ever in American politics.
True or false?
Every major and potentially major voice that has spoken out against The Regime has been destroyed, swiftboated, marginalized, attacked, hounded, outed, and slimed.
True or False
The Money Shot
Do you REALLY think that KKKarl and his RW minions aren't attacking this site? Do you REALLY think that everyone who comes to Dkos does so to help and contribute?
DO YOU REALLY THINK THAT THE DITY TRICKS SQUAD OF THE RW IS GIVING DKOS A PASS?
THIS SITE IS ATTACKED EVERY FRICKIN DAY!!!!
But NO you say! I never see evidence of this! Dkos is nearly free of disruption and nastiness! You almost never see that kind of RW crap here that you see at other sites!
why is that?
WHY?????
Because there are a group {NOT A CONSPIRACY OR CABAL} that fights it EVERY DAY!
The only reason it may seem like a Cabal is because naive, innocent, sweet things like YOU attack THEM for doing their best to defend the site against trolls. KKKarl's Trolls. Because by accusing and singling out those who defend the site as Markos has asked us to do...YOU make them into a cabal.
A pop Quiz:
What is the point of Hidden Comments?
Why to the casual (non-registered, non posting) reader are there startlingly few flame wars compared to other sites?
Why is this important?
Who are we trying to influence here, other choir member Kositizens a few thousand at a time? OR THE MILLIONS OF PEOPLE A WEEK WHO READ CASUALLY?
Is Daily Kos your private playground where you get to act out your personal PsychoDramas?
Or is it a huge agent for change in the world that you need to understand and respect more SO YOU CAN HELP?
Are YOU here to put your relatively petty concerns above taking back our country, or are you willing to put aside some of your personal issues to pitch in to DEFEAT THE FASCIST BUSH ADMINSTRATION?
If a troll Hunter upsets you by being mean to a Troll, do you take the poor trolls side and attack the Troll Hunter?
Or do you take a half an hour to ACTUALLY DO THE RESEARCH AND FIND OUT WHAT IS GOING ON.
End of quiz
Personally, the only defense I do is defense of the site from troll diarists. I use other methods than Troll Rating because that is my pesonal choice. Because I have done this many times and have seen/interacted with the 'Cabal' on these ocassions and have become friends with them. I have become friends with them because they are doing their job and not hiding under the covers hoping Karl and his trolls will just go away and leave us alone. Because they are fighting. Here is my most important point.
If you disagree with the Troll Hunters.....Troll Rate them!
If you think they are doing something horrible STAND UP and tell them so...TRUSTED User!!
If you are too afraid to Troll rate them:
Most people don't because they don't want to be put on a List and attacked by the posse
as this poster seems to be implying YOU are, then YOU lack the courage of your convictions. There are names for people who won't or are afraid to have the courage of their convictions. There are worse names for those who DON'T standup and then whine about how things are going to shit.
This is a community site YOU are the community!!! Do YOUR job.
IF YOU DON'T DO THE RESEARCH...DON'T ATTACK!
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I think if you think someone is being troll rated unfairly then say who you mean.
IF they are trollrating trolls, and if you are a TU, then you should be following their example.
It is part of the TUs job.
Don't bitch at TUs who actually take their responsibility seriously.
It is sooo damn easy to criticize TUs who do their job while you get to enjoy a troll free environment.
"All knew that Armando was an Armory of Wisdom. But then, who are these with whom Armando crossed verbal swords?"
by Armando on Wed May 10, 2006 at 10:24:45 PM PDT
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Perhaps someone can post kos's comments from the CT diary where he came into a diary to comment in SUPPORT of TU's doing ther job. Another point:
IF YOU DON'T WANT TO HELP POLICE THE SITE.............................................DON'T ATTACK THOSE WHO DO!
One of the reasons this site is the biggest is the environment WE create here, by HIDING the comments that are offensive so that the casual reader gets to consider facts and information rather than Trolls. One of the functions of TR is to determine who is autobanned by the ratings system. So kos doesn't HAVE to ban people...doesn't HAVE to become an overlord. He instead leaves that up to YOU! if you don't understand these concepts either learn...or stay out of it.
Personal Flame Wars etc. within the community do NOT concern me, I am not talking about that. But some of the in house flame wars result from people who are ignorant of history and the issues at hand jumping into the fray because "it doesn't seem right." That is irresponsible, kneejerk crap fed only by sympathy for 'the underdog'. We deal in facts here...not emotion. If you want to jump into a fight you know nothing about..and you end up getting burned by a TU in the middle of battle...YOU HAVE NO ONE TO BLAME BUT YOURSELF. Until you can PROVE that the troll hunter is WRONG...stfu...or better yet GO DO THE RESEARCH...YOURSELF!
This is not a game. The most recent attack has been from 9/11 MIHOP diaries. Before that it was the Pirates. If Dkos becomes a 9/11 CT site does that help or hurt our credibility? Why did kos himself approve of Troll Hunting the CT Diarists? Why is Armando calling on TU's to help?
Everything looks Hunky Dory to those who don't look closely...fine DON"T look but if you don't, DO NOT ATTACK WITHOUT EVIDENCE OF WRONGDOING!!!
There are tactics that are used that may seem offensive, there are times when people go over the line. If you don't like how they do it, tell them so, TR them, or DO IT YOURSELF!
If Karl can marginalize this huge voice of the left by making it into a CT site everything we have accomplished here is wiped out by a press release. If Trolls get on this site and attack dems to cause division and discord then we turn into ineffective splinter groups. This is their strategy! For informed, educated and smart people their is a shocking naivete here! Politics is NOT nice. There ARE no rules that Karl respects. We WON"T win by 'playing' nice...but by FIGHTING fair and truthfully and as UNITED as we can.
If you are posting on Dkos you are involved in the War against Karl. If Karl is NOT having Dkos monitored, he is a fool. Like it or not. If YOU wander around thinking the biggest problem on this site is Troll hunters getting to 'mean' or obsessive about troll hunting. TOUGH SHIT! DO something about it besides complain...or is that too much trouble?
You might even think about supporting them....instead of attacking them. You might even think of taking your responsibility as a TU seriously for a change and contribute to the defense and maintenance of the site. OR ELSE WHO WILL?
The left always eat themselves (with plenty of subtle help and dirty tricks from the RW) are YOU a cannibal?
You are, fellow Kossaks, either part of the solution or part of the problem.
This is NOT A GAME!
We are trying to take back control of the country...wise up and toughen up!