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"I can't wait `til '08!"

Again and again I hear that exclamation from friends, from my wife, on TV, from the blogosphere. But what if The Decider decides he's not going to leave as he is legally obligated to do? What if he decides, for the sake of national security, that he must remain President?

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If my guess is right, now's about the time that some of my more conservative readers will scoff, scratch their heads, call me a leftie conspiracy theory moonbat and probably move the mouse toward that "Back" button on their browsers. But first, don't take my word for it. Consider the words of others...

From Dictionary.com:

Dictator - n. a ruler who is unconstrained by law.

From an April 30, 2006 report in The Boston Globe:

"President Bush has quietly claimed the authority to disobey more than 750 laws enacted since he took office, asserting that he has the power to set aside any statute passed by Congress when it conflicts with his interpretation of the Constitution."

According to law professor Phillip Cooper in the same Globe article:

"There is no question that this administration has been involved in a very carefully thought-out, systematic process of expanding presidential power at the expense of the other branches of government," Cooper said. ''This is really big, very expansive, and very significant."

From San Jose Mercury News:

"Our democratic principles require that the American people be informed of the activities of their government," Bush said in his executive order on classified information. "Nevertheless, throughout our history, the national defense has required certain information be maintained in confidence in order to protect our citizens."

From Newsweek, July 19, 2004:

"American counterterrorism officials, citing what they call "alarming" intelligence about a possible Qaeda strike inside the United States this fall, are reviewing a proposal that could allow for the postponement of the November presidential election in the event of such an attack, NEWSWEEK has learned."

I could go on. There are plenty more facts and examples regarding the Bush administration's centralization of authority, secretive practices, manipulation through fear, crimes and lies. These points are not debatable. There's a new story virtually every day.

In the last five years, our government has been cited repeatedly for violating international law. We torture people. We "disappear" people. We invade countries that have not attacked or even provoked us. We commit war crimes. We spy on our own citizens. We read, see and hear propaganda paid for and planted in American media by the Administration. And literally right now, today, in the U.S. Congress, our representatives are considering the merits of building walls, thousands of miles long, on each of our borders.

How different is the United States today from previous dictatorships and fascist regimes? Even Iraq had presidential elections before we invaded. Elections alone don't make a democracy or a republic. Particularly when they're rigged.

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it might just be a duck. So, why is everyone quick to assume that Bush will leave in 2008? What's going to make him? Laws? Professional ethics? Morals?

As if.

The $64,000 question is how much further those in power will go to get even more power.

The $100,000 question is whether democracy even exists today in America, much less in 2008.

At times like these, I find it helpful to rely on facts, so let's go back to the dictionary and compare the definitions of "dictatorship," "fascism" and democratic "republic," the original system of American government. The one spelled out in the United States Constitution.

From Dictionary.com:

Dictatorship - n. a form of government in which the ruler is an absolute dictator (not restricted by a constitution or laws or opposition, etc.)

Fascism - n. a system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.

Republic - n. a government in which supreme power resides in a body of citizens entitled to vote and is exercised by elected officers and representatives responsible to them and governing according to law.

Do you feel like you have supreme power over the government? Why did the Administration use terror to manipulate American voters leading up to Election Day, 2004? Are you certain that you will be entitled to vote in 2008? Do you feel as though your representatives represent the best interests of American citizens? Does your government govern according to law?

I, for one, can't tell what kind of government we have now. Or what it's becoming. But I can guaranty one thing. It's not what Jefferson intended. And, unless we take our country back, we'll never again see a government for the people, by the people, of the people.

Originally posted to Hogfan on Fri May 12, 2006 at 12:37 PM PDT.

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  •  Pitchfork and torch in hand. (3+ / 0-)
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    Dittoz, The Gryffin, macmcd

    "The monster must be destroyed!"

    "At Delta House we have a saying:Don't Get mad, Get even." Daniel Simpson Day

    by irate on Fri May 12, 2006 at 12:34:12 PM PDT

    •  Giuliani tried it in NYC (4+ / 0-)
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      grrr, viscerality, jay23, BlueBiker

      Remember when the pathetic loser morality man Rudy Giuliani tried this in NY?  Because Rudy didn't run away or read "My Pet Goat" when 9/11 happened on his watch, he thought he was some sort of indispensable "hero".  

      What a joke, and you Mr. George W. Bush are also a joke- get off the stage promptly when your time is up!

      There is a very real possibility that the Bushite scum would try this, but of course W is already working on plan B, passing on his throne to his slimy brother Jeb.

      •  I don't remember that at all (0+ / 0-)

        "They that can give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."- Benjamin Franklin

        by bluestateLIBertarian on Fri May 12, 2006 at 12:51:14 PM PDT

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        •  your memory is faulty (3+ / 0-)
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          aitchdee, macmcd, viscerality

          guliani did actually attempt this, suggesting that the 2001 mayoral election be indefinitely postponed and he continue in office.  the idea was shot down so fast he never even got asked the question "just when do you think your term should end?"

          •  not quite (1+ / 0-)
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            jay23

            He didn't ask that the election be postponed.   He suggested that the transition be delayed.  Mayor-Elect Bloomberg turned him down.

            •  Giuliani = goat, not hero (5+ / 0-)
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              hind, grrr, macmcd, viscerality, esquimaux

              Giuliani who had EIGHT YEARS to buy poice and fire radios that could talk to each other- how many died from this blunder?

              Giuliani was too busy screwing his mistress in the mayoral mansion instead of taking care of city business.  That guy is a total fraud, absolutely disgusting.

              •  I won't defend his term in office (0+ / 0-)

                But I'll always be grateful for his calm and resolute behavior on 9/11 and the days afterward. We needed someone who wouldn't panic and who wouldn't sugar-coat the situations we faced.

                Giuliani was brave and was exactly what we needed to keep NYC on an even keel and the rest of us too. No he won't get my vote for high office, but it's hard to imagine another person from either party providing the strength and leadership he did in Sep '01.

                •  Speaking of Rudy (1+ / 0-)
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                  BlueBiker

                  Looks like we may get Farenheit 9/11 The Sequel

                  Rethinking Rudy
                  A Michael Moore-style documentary casts a critical eye on the mayoralty of Rudolph Giuliani as he considers a run for president.

                  May 11, 2006 - The new documentary “Giuliani Time,” takes its title from the scandal surrounding Abner Louima, the Haitian immigrant who was sodomized with a broomstick by New York City police in 1997. Louima claimed one of the officers beating him had said, “It’s Giuliani time.” That claim turned out to be untrue, but the phrase lived on, crystallizing for many their misgivings about the mayor’s “zero tolerance” policy on crimefighting.

                  The film, which opens Friday in New York, contains no information that will surprise New Yorkers. Rudolph Giuliani, who served two terms between 1994 to 2002, is taken to task on First Amendment issues for threatening to cut funding to the Brooklyn Museum of Art for an exhibit he considered offensive. Giuliani’s welfare-reform policies are portrayed as doing more to hurt the poor than help them, forcing many welfare recipients out of school and into menial, dead-end jobs. He’s also criticized for being insensitive on immigration and human-rights issues during his premayoral tenure in the Reagan administration’s Justice Department. A spokeswoman for Giuliani told NEWSWEEK that “the mayor hasn’t seen the movie, nor does he plan on it.”

                  The man who became “America’s Mayor” by maintaining his composure on 9/11 is mostly known to the rest of the country as the hero of that day, the most prominent public official to take a visible leadership role. Kevin Keating, the director of “Giuliani Time,” says he hopes to shine a critical light on a man who will likely run for president in 2008 largely on his post-9/11 image. “This is not a journalist exercise,” Keating told NEWSWEEK’s Brian Braiker in a recent interview. “This is an exercise in penetrating into contemporary history and trying to come out with some notions.”  

                  BTW, back to the subject of the diary -- While I feared after the last election that we would need the jaws of life to pry their asses from the White House chairs, I'm not so sure anymore:

                  1. The disaster that was 2005, and
                  1. the fact that Halliburton, Grumman, GE and Raytheon have been paid and the checks have all cleared. The hard work's done.

                  "Stop comparing Bush to Hitler. Hitler was a decorated war veteran who saw front line combat." - Bill Maher

                  by Jank2112 on Fri May 12, 2006 at 01:42:25 PM PDT

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                •  well, he did what someone else should have (0+ / 0-)

                  don't think i have to say who that was.  but then that sort of behavior comes with the job description.  and saying that no one from either party could have done that is a bit much.  i mean, what would john kerry have done in similar circumstances?  

                  guliani is a a fraud who made a big name for himself busting a bunch of people who were extraordinarily careless about about covering up their tracks.  in fact, a lot of people he made a big deal of busting never even went to trial.  the charges were dismissed on the sort of pre-trial motions that are normally given favorable rulings only in "Law and Order" episodes.  it didn't matter much to rudy, he got the perp walks on the local news broadcasts, who cares if the cases were onionskin thin?  his reputation should have been destroyed when he brought bess myerson to trial with loony tune sukhreet gabel as his star witness.  a prosecutor with a lower profile would have dropped that pathetic case, but there was no way rudy could back down given the enormous publicity that had been generated.  so he went to trial, and the case blew up in his ugly face.  fortunately for him, david dinkins turned out to be as clueless and incompetent a mayor as people had feared.  if he'd been even halfway decent, rudy would be known as the butt-ugly ambulance chaser with the commercials that run non-stop on late night local NY tv.

      •  I think of Bush and Giuliani as the 'monster' (0+ / 0-)

        we are the villagers, with torches and pitchforks.

        "At Delta House we have a saying:Don't Get mad, Get even." Daniel Simpson Day

        by irate on Fri May 12, 2006 at 12:53:29 PM PDT

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    •  Pitchforks are so 18th century (1+ / 0-)
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      irate

      May I suggest assault rifles and IEDs

    •  Where's your tip jar? (0+ / 0-)

      I'd like to love you up. (the page, man, the page!)

      NSA = Now Spying on Americans. Impeach. NOW, dammit!

      by Lisa Lockwood on Fri May 12, 2006 at 02:06:15 PM PDT

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  •  He'll be like Jerry Lundegaard (6+ / 0-)
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    Dizzy, aitchdee, baad, ivorybill, viscerality, jay23

    squealing like a pig and trying to escape out the back window as the cops close in at the end of Fargo.

    •  Hah ha (2+ / 0-)
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      aitchdee, macmcd

      W really does remind me of an unsavory William Macy character!  All bluster, but huge insecurity underneath.

      Your more serious point is that if the rule of law is to mean anything at all, it's not enough for him to simply leave office.  He needs to face a jury at some point - this has been a truly criminal administration, and even if it takes years, the real objective should be to indict him, try him, and imprison him.

      •  Prison would be great (0+ / 0-)

        for his major league debasement of the Constitution, but in the short term I'd just be happy to see Bush de-fanged by a Dem takeover of Congress so he'll no longer have a rubber stamp for his disastrous policies.

    •  Darn Tootin'! (2+ / 0-)
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      aitchdee, BlueBiker

      "The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little."

      by vawolf on Fri May 12, 2006 at 01:07:53 PM PDT

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  •  I used to worry about this... (3+ / 0-)
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    HarlanNY, aitchdee, ivorybill

    ...but by '08, hell, after the midterms, the Republicans are going to want dumbass to leave almost as bad as we do.  They realize full well he is a gigantic anchor dragging them down with him.  i'm under no illusions that dumbya cares about what the people think, but when the big boys in his own party say it's time to go...

    Fox News--As fair as a Florida Election, as balanced as Ann Coulter when she forgets her medicine.

    by Dizzy on Fri May 12, 2006 at 12:38:42 PM PDT

  •  He'll leave (0+ / 0-)

    he's already making plans for a brushclearing institutethinktank. I actually think he's looking forward to the money he's going to make addressing churches and boards of directors. I actually can't see him grabbing power like that. cheney, yes... bush no.

    "Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness." Mark Twain

    by dougymi on Fri May 12, 2006 at 12:43:30 PM PDT

  •  Something to think about (8+ / 0-)

    A while back I had some of the same thought has you. In the past month or 2 tho they have pretty much gone away for a couple reasons. The first being the way retired Generals have come out against Bush, making me pretty sure that the Armed Forces would not back Bush up. The 2nd being all the recent news about about the CIA doing things to make sure Bush knows they are not happy with him, and the amount of power they still have, and can and will use against him. If I were you I would take a deep breath, step back,think about what I said, and have a little faith in the real American way. It took me a while to get to this point, but most of the time now I have faith that if Bush tried this crap he would be bitchslapped into reality real quick.

    -8.63 -7.28 SHUT IT DOWN NOW

    by OneCrankyDom on Fri May 12, 2006 at 12:44:51 PM PDT

  •  Take A Look At Him Today (2+ / 0-)
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    ivorybill, libertyisliberal

    Compared to the way he looked when he took office. I guarantee you this is not a man who wants to remain president. In countries whose terms can extend beyond eight years they do try to hang on, and governors aim higher after extended time in the hot seat.

    But that's because they are obligated to do so because there is more that they are expected to strive for if they are not to be thought second-rate. Don't forget: Bush is a quitter. In fact it's likely we'll see less and less of him as his years wind down.

    9/11 + 4 Years = Katrina... Conservatism Kills.

    by NewDirection on Fri May 12, 2006 at 12:46:25 PM PDT

    •  Photos of Bush - show him looking bad - real bad (0+ / 0-)

      glad I'm not Laura these days, she has a handful.

    •  Yes, Bush Personally Will Leave (3+ / 0-)
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      NewDirection, viscerality, dus7

      It's much more likely that the board will appoint the next CEO however.

      We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy....--ML King, "Beyond Vietnam"

      by Gooserock on Fri May 12, 2006 at 12:55:22 PM PDT

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    •  True, but the guy IS messianic (3+ / 0-)
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      Lisa Lockwood, viscerality, BlueBiker

      He thinks he's been put in the White House by God. What? God's going to evict him just because he's been there 8 years?

      Patriotic? Provocative? Pissed off? Get your protest on. Go to http://www.cafepress.com/fightinwords

      by Hogfan on Fri May 12, 2006 at 01:22:21 PM PDT

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      •  No, God Will Call Him Home (0+ / 0-)

        To "clear some brush" on the golf course.

        9/11 + 4 Years = Katrina... Conservatism Kills.

        by NewDirection on Fri May 12, 2006 at 01:39:06 PM PDT

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      •  Since Bush is no more sincerely religious than (0+ / 0-)

        my dog, Annie, I don't think he really thinks God wants him to be in the White House.  That was just hogwash for the American Taliban who vote for him.  I guarantee you that part of what is causing him to look so bad these days is fear of his personal death.  He is just at the age to realize that he has a terminal illness called life and that his money cannot help him live forever.  My guess is that he is waking up in the middle of most nights with the cold chill of knowledge that he will not live forever.  Working out 4 hours a day will not stop the march of time and neither will riding his bike and not thinking about the real world.  I'll bet he will get more and more like poor Mrs. Winchester in San Jose who could hear the march of those who had been killed by the Winchester rifle so she just kept on building and building on to her house.  I guess W. will just try to work out longer and longer on a daily basis.

      •  Not to mention (1+ / 0-)
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        jay23

        the way right of center theocracy growing within the air force, at least at the acadamy. They might well support their dear leader towards the rapture. I don't know if the same holds true for other branches of the service though.

        NSA = Now Spying on Americans. Impeach. NOW, dammit!

        by Lisa Lockwood on Fri May 12, 2006 at 02:13:52 PM PDT

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  •  Why Bush despises the French (4+ / 0-)
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    viscerality, jay23, dus7, esquimaux

    They KNEW how to take care of a royal family that overstayed their welcome, like the Bushes have here...

    "Reality has a well-known liberal bias" -Stephen Colbert (-6.38/ -4.21)

    by wonkydonkey on Fri May 12, 2006 at 12:50:07 PM PDT

  •  He already is promoting Jeb - this week!!! (4+ / 0-)

    and why???

    •  Yeah, scary thought (3+ / 0-)
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      Lisa Lockwood, viscerality, dus7

      ...and they're playing this massive charade that Jeb hasn't decided whether he wants to run or not.

      Bull. Shit!

      Jeb didn't sign up with PNAC to spread democracy from Florida to the state of Georgia.

      Patriotic? Provocative? Pissed off? Get your protest on. Go to http://www.cafepress.com/fightinwords

      by Hogfan on Fri May 12, 2006 at 01:27:14 PM PDT

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  •  this is a legitimate fear (2+ / 0-)
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    viscerality, fairfax

    however, the national security state has these things called "wet operations," and one would be probably be set in motion before his current term expires should he demonstrate the hubris to attempt this.

    i'm not joking about this, btw.

  •  No way he'll leave (0+ / 0-)

    There's too many questions and we may find the answers if the Dems get control. Don't think that Bush and this    administration (used loosely) is going to take a chance and spend the rest of their lives in jail. He can't afford to step down.

    •  Jeb is the exit strategy, Bush avoids prison (0+ / 0-)

      Cheney leaves because of illness
      W appoints Jeb

      Bush resigns

      Jeb takes over
      Jeb pardons W and all the flunkies
      2008 McCain elected

      McCain won't take over for Cheney because he'd be forced to commit political suicide like Ford did when he pardoned Nixon. Jeb knows he couldn't get elected, so he loses nothing

      Cheney's the wildcard. He won't go without actually having a massive heart attack, because he is a power junky and mostly because he won't let Rove "win."

  •  what's really alarming is (2+ / 0-)
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    aitchdee, Lisa Lockwood

    the result of the latest Wapo poll showing that %60 plus of Americans are perfectly comfortable with domestic spying via telephone, email, etc. Bush announces in July or August of 2008 that Al Qaida is on the move again so he is forced to cancel the Nov. election and I'll bet a lot more than %63 of the American people would support it.

    •  Yep, still under the terror spell. (0+ / 0-)

      I'm convinced his numbers would shoot up if they re-initiate the Terrorize America program.

      Patriotic? Provocative? Pissed off? Get your protest on. Go to http://www.cafepress.com/fightinwords

      by Hogfan on Fri May 12, 2006 at 01:24:45 PM PDT

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  •  You're all wearing tinfoil hats! (5+ / 0-)

    George W. Bush will not refuse to step down when his term ends in January of '09.
    He will refuse to step down when he's impeached in the Summer of '07!

    If Jeb is the little brother, does that mean that George is Big Brother?

    by jazzmaniac on Fri May 12, 2006 at 01:27:50 PM PDT

  •  even before he was sworn in... (0+ / 0-)

    CNN December 18, 2000

    http://transcripts.cnn.com/...

    excerpt:

    GOV. GEORGE W. BUSH (R-TX), PRESIDENT-ELECT: I told all four that there were going to be some times where we don't agree with each other. But that's OK. If this were a dictatorship, it'd be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as I'm the dictator.

  •  Congress? (2+ / 0-)

    Congress' and the Supreme Court's opinion would be immaterial.  It's plainly unconstitutional and generally oppressive, and there are far, far too many people in this country (and in the government) who wouldn't stand for it.  Period.  So it's not gonna happen.  He might try and repeal the 22nd amendment, but he'll never get it through in time and even if he did there'd be widespread rioting, secession movements, etc.

    It kind of sucks that it's come to this, but lately I've been speculating on just what would need to happen to convince me to exercise my 2nd Amendment rights.  That would qualify.  

  •  I think it is a legitimate issue (2+ / 0-)
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    viscerality, esquimaux

    Granted, it's pretty deep into worst-case scenario territory. But that does not make it impossible.

    I find it hard to believe that Bush and his handlers have created this Imperial presidency, only to turn it over to somebody like Clinton or Kerry or whomever. There are of course several different approaches they could take to solve this "problem". Refusing to leave is one of them.

    If I worry about the future, will the future change?--Quai Chang Caine

    by Enjoy Every Sandwich on Fri May 12, 2006 at 01:33:51 PM PDT

  •  Why not? (0+ / 0-)

    Let's get the corporations out in front on this one. How about a rotating presidency every four years with one of the Dow Industrials' board appointed by Bush to enrich itself at our expense? Bush is real good at contests, and he could pick the company out of that tinfoil hat.

  •  in terms of pure force (3+ / 0-)

    wouldn't the USAF be enough to keep Bush in power? The Religious Right has been encroaching on Air Force officers for some time:

    from http://www.onlinejournal.com/...

    The Air Force Academy, located in Colorado Springs, is surrounded by right-wing evangelical groups, several of which maintain close relationships with the academy's faculty, staff, and cadets. These groups and the military officials who follow them have been integrating evangelical Christianity into official academy activities for at least 12 years. Over this time, they have promoted evangelical beliefs to cadets, used their religion as a tool for military training, and encouraged religious conformity on campus.

    Not long ago I also remember reading here that Air Force members were barred from accessing dailykos on military computers (and clearly, cutting off dailykos access is the first and most important step in launching a coup)

  •  The First Step (2+ / 0-)
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    viscerality, jay23

    Is to dissolve the legislative body.  We already have congressmen lamenting their impotence rather than taking the fight to 1600 Pennsylvania's doorstep.  

    All it takes is a judicial body that would uphold the decision, or enough military force to scare them into doing so.

    Must I say it?

    This is why we have the 2nd ammendment, to prevent the government from using the military against civilians.  

  •  Jealousy & envy (0+ / 0-)

    Hogfan, you wrote the diary I wish I could have written. I love it that it is accepted without the usual cries of "tinfoil-hattery." For the most part, Kossacks are now accepting that nothing is beyond the capacity of the Bush Crime Family. These crooks have already gone well beyond anything I could ever dream possible from a U.S. government.

    For my own part, ever since the 2004 election I have been utterly convinced that there will be no federal elections in 2008. I'm not so sure there will be any in 2006, either. My pet theory is that GWB will dissolve Congress if there is any serious attempt to impeach him, Cheney or any major member of the Administration. The declaration of martial law and rule by decree is a foregone conclusion.

    We have been saying that we are in the midst of a Constitutional Crisis and I suppose that is true. But, my instincts tell me that we ain't seen nothing yet.

    The friend of my enemy is my enemy. Dump Chafee in '06.

    by jayatRI on Sat May 13, 2006 at 11:38:30 AM PDT

    •  Thanks, jayatRI (0+ / 0-)

      I appreciate the kinds words. Even as we discuss terrible possibilities.

      Nothing is out of bounds to consider.

      Patriotic? Provocative? Pissed off? Get your protest on. Go to http://www.cafepress.com/fightinwords

      by Hogfan on Wed May 17, 2006 at 01:16:09 PM PDT

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