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I don't ascribe to conspiracy theories generally, but I just cannot get out of my mind that the story of gunshots in the Rayburn Office Building was a set-up.  I look at it this way:

1) Earlier in the week the FBI raids a sitting Congress member's office.  This raises a furor among both Democrat and Republican House members.

2) There are many members of Congress who are under scrutiny for various types of alleged malfeasance.

3) The Attorney General is particularly unapologetic about the raid, raising the possibility that more raids could come.

4) Friday was the last day before the start of a 3-day weekend, and the unofficial start of summer, and I am sure many people working in offices in Washington were thinking about their "getaways."

5) Then, a Congressman thinks he hears gunshots.  People, at various times were locked in, then rushed out, then brought back, then rushed out, etc.  Rather than describe the exact sequence of events, I think it is fair to say that the situation was chaotic.

6) Whether it was planned or not, this would present a unique opportunity for anyone with potentially incriminating or just embarrassing documents, files or other mater in his or her possession to remove, destroy, or otherwise dispose of it.

Now, I do not necessarily believe that this is a Republican plot (but it would not surprise me if Karl Rove cooked up something like this); this is the sort of thing that is very likely serendipitous, and the idea to do what I said in #6 above could have spontaneously occurred to a number of  people at Rayburn.

I think it would be very interesting to see just how much more shredded paper is sitting in the recycling bins at the Rayburn building today as opposed to any other day after a weekend or three-day weekend.

Originally posted to greggp on Tue May 30, 2006 at 08:44 AM PDT.

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  •  This is some sort of coordinated attack (5+ / 0-)

    You guys all got together and said "hey, we're gonna post CT bullshit at dKos today, make 'em look like a bunch of morons!"

    Well, I have news for you:  there's no way you could make us look dumber than the past few days of meta diaries have.

    Want to know who's attacking Al Gore? Click here!

    by Page van der Linden on Tue May 30, 2006 at 08:42:44 AM PDT

  •  No diaries ever posted (2+ / 0-)
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    ROGNM, rockhound

    No comments ever written.  Nice way to start your career (not).

    We will appoint as...officials, only men that know the law of the realm and are minded to keep it well. -- Magna Carta, #46 (-6.25, -7.18)

    by DH from MD on Tue May 30, 2006 at 08:46:01 AM PDT

  •  DELETE (1+ / 1-)
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    Either greggp should delete this or it should be deleted for him.

    •  O.K. but please think about it (0+ / 0-)
      •  I've thought about it (1+ / 0-)
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        This diary should be deleted.

        P.S. Grepgp, please join the community first(comments, etc.) before writing diaries. Get to know the community.

      •  Yeah (0+ / 0-)

        Because a lockdown is the best situation to try to get documents out of Congress, as opposed to the other times when they could simply walk out of Congress with anything they wanted to carry.

        It's not just pointless speculation and, as you point out, "tinfoil hat conspiracy".  It's also a really stupid theory.

        •  Not so much (0+ / 0-)

          I seem to recall a similar lockdown of congress a year or two ago in another "anthrax" scare (not the post 9/11 attacks, which, BTW haven't been solved. Wonder why). Turned out to be bogus, but speculation at the time was that the "emergency" crews were actually searching congressional offices for evidence.
          Yes, my facts are fuzzy, but I clearly remember it. And considering the paranoia on the right, and that Americans clearly want Dems back in power, they've got things to be afraid of.
          After all we've seen, I find it hard to belive that there are people here who just can't wrap their brains around the  fact that there are people in our government who will do ANYTHING to get their way.
          i don't think this needs deletion, BTW. If you don't like it, just let it disappear. That's how it's supposed to work here, no?

          All Truth is non-partisan

          by MA Liberal on Tue May 30, 2006 at 09:31:44 AM PDT

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  •  So, sometimes it is not OK to be suspicious? (1+ / 0-)
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    MA Liberal

    I'm originally from Texas, where political tricks are Fifty Feet Tall and a Mile Wide.

    If we all sit quietly, no one will ever do anything bad to us?

    How many great investigative stories started with someone having a hunch something was not right?  I'm not saying we should carry on forever with this without some evidence, but it takes time to find evidence.  Call me jaded, but my first reaction to this story was "WTF? What do they think we need to be distracted from now?"  And that's when I read it was an 'anonymous tip'.  My suspicions doubled when I heard it was from a Repub's office.

    I say let the diary stand.  The coming congressional election is our only chance to stop the juggernaut and They know it.  Look for more Rovian wingnuttery, not less!

    "An inglorious peace is better than a dishonest war." - Mark Twain

    by skwimmer on Tue May 30, 2006 at 09:04:43 AM PDT

  •  For Chrissakes people (1+ / 0-)
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    he's just asking a question. stop getting your damned knickers in a twist! As another poster here said, you have to have curiosity about something which leads to invesitgation which sometimes (no, not always) leads to something bigger.
    Like back in Watergate, if the watchman just took the duct tape off the door, we would never have discovered the burglary. I swear if we were back in those days people here would be getting flamed all over the place because they brought up a conspiracy in the White House!
    This administration ALWAYs does thinks on weekends. because of the news cycle. By the time people notice, it's over and they've accopomplished what they wanted.
    To me, the thing that disturbed me most was the way the media handled it. Almost every single report I saw, heard, read, teased with "Gunfire heard in Washington" or Washinton in lockdown, reports of gunfire." Damn people, get the story right before you report rumor! And once the rumor is debunked, try telling the stoy straight. Because people remember the insinuation, the rumor, they rarely remember the truth later on.
    BushCo has done a damn fine job of instillng fear in almost every American (even some here). It's how they get to do what they're doing. Hell, even Tom Ridge admitted the color alerts in 2004 were bogus! They were meant to scare people into thinking Bush was needed for national security.
    Maybe there wouldn't be so many troll wars if folks would lighten up and stop feeling like they have to police every diary and comment. Give it a rest.

    All Truth is non-partisan

    by MA Liberal on Tue May 30, 2006 at 09:25:42 AM PDT

  •  Oh please (1+ / 0-)
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    They could just shred documents in the privacy of their own homes.  It's not like Congressmen are searched to see what docs they bring in and take out of the offices.  They could simply take a bunch of files "to read" back home and burn them.  No need to "hear gunshots" and go through the rigamarolle.

    •  I agree with that, unless (0+ / 0-)

      the person believed he or she was already under surveillance.

      •  Even then (0+ / 0-)

        Who can tell what you are bringing in and out when you are just carrying brown boxes?

        •  Timing may matter (0+ / 0-)

          Police investigations often focus on such a thing.  Generally cocaine dealers do not walk in and out of their houses carrying clear baggies of white powder in plain view.  They do however walk out of their homes carrying other containers.

          So, if a person had not or did not normally carry out such a box, it could be seen as an extraordinary event.  Coupled with other evidence, it could form sufficient probable cause for the granting of a search warrant.

          You might want to ask yourself this: if you were a member of a Congress or a member of a Congressional staff engaged in some activity for which you had generated some potentially incriminating material, and you knew that no Congressional office had ever been searched pursuant to a warrant, where would you keep that material.  One might reasonably believe it was the safest place.

          Then, once such a raid did occur, you might be in a bind, especially if you believed you were already under investigation.  An opportunity like the one I described might be too good to pass up.

          In any case, based on a theory of rational expectations, I suspect that any future raids on Congressional offices are likely not to be very fruitful, and I doubt there will be many.

  •  Perhaps the theory isn't correct, but (0+ / 0-)

    I have to ask, with the anthrax scare not too long ago, you would think the building would have had plenty of surveillance systems in place to see what actually happened.  An all-day lock-down seemed a bit heavy handed in a building that has such tight security measures.

    No, I don't think this was to 'cause chaos' to give some folks a chance to shred or steal some documents.  

    But nonetheless, I think we can and should be allowed to discuss this sort of stuff and then move on.

    I think there are a lot of diary cops out there who would do well to spend more time writing the kind of pieces theyw ould like to see and stop just micro-managing others' attempts at getting something out there.

    After all, if it holds water, it will draw attention and mojo.  If it's drivel, it will disappear.

  •  Once we regain Power, can we then speak freely? (0+ / 0-)

    OK, so we hold our tongue on any suspicious issues until after we regain Congress and perhaps even the WH.    Check.

    But then, we should be careful what we say because, after all, we might piss off those 'undecided voters' who sift and winnow every single sentence here on DKos and take out their issues with what is said here, on Democrat Congresscritters.  Check.


    No, that's exactly the kind of thinking that made Al Gore such a weak candidate back in 2000.  He was afraid to irk people.  Or at least it seems his handlers wanted him to keep the kid gloves ON.

    Hopefully MOST of us are dealing with the truly real issues of the day:  whistleblower rights, Haditha (initially just a CT, look at it now), Treasongate, etc . . .

    The goal of this website is to advance the ability for Democratic candidates to try and assert something resembling oversight and the promises of our Constitution and Bill of Rights.  But let me say, if we stopped talking about the injustices as well as having the intellectual curiosity to really dig deeper on things (Jeff Gannon comes to mind), this site wouldn't have the punch it does.

    Personally, I just think everyone is anxious for YearlyKos (Which I will sadly not be able to attend due to prior obligations) to get underway.  I think it will be there we all realize, once again, that we're on the same side, and perhaps a better way to deal with the truly fringe diaries (if it starts looking like hehehehehe) will be to just ignore it, since there will be a boom in the number of quality, truly well-researched diaries.

    Finally, let's keep in mind that 'some sort of coordinated attack' on this site by the tinfoil hat wearers is just as much conspiracy theory as the Illuminati controlling your fridge.  :)


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