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Tonight on the Majority Report Radio show on Air America, hosts Janeane Garofalo and Sam Seder had a pretty serious argument on the air that resulted in both Sam and the show's producer walking out of the show. Could this be the end of Garofalo & Seder, the Burns & Allen of Air America?

The disagreement arose over the fact that Janeane has had members of the NY Rescue Workers Detoxification Project (http://nydetox.org/) on twice in the last 6 weeks and was planning on having them on again tonight. The group is basically a Scientology front group and has been criticized
http://www.nytimes.com/...
http://www.cultnews.com/...
as being full of junk remedies and potentially harmful to the clients. Janeane is very supportive of the group.

More....

The first two interviews took place on Fridays when Sam is off, but he has hinted about his qualms about the group and the MRR blog
http://www.majorityreportradio.com
has been very critical of Janeane on this. After Sam found out about the planned third appearance of the group, he finally made his concerns vocal to Janeane on the air and stated that he would be present for the next interview. He also called the group today and stated that he intended to question them about the criticism of the program, unlike Janeane who has been pretty fawning, IMO. The group cancelled the appearance.

Well, things finally came to a boil tonight as Janeane appears to have taken Sam's criticism as a personal attack and claimed that Sam and the show's producer were actively seeking to embarrass her and the group for no good reason. Janeane (who is an atheist) makes it very clear that she is supportive only of the Detoxification Project but in no way supports Scientology and states that she thinks it's as much fantasy-based as any other religion such as Christianity, but if the Detox Project is helping the 1st responders, who cares who's funding it.

Sam's POV is that two appearances were enough and the show shouldn't be pushing such a questionable group. Janeane (incredibly) says it's no different than having the recurring Fighting Dems segment with Markos. She also stated that Sam would not have a problem with the Detox Project if it were a Jewish group(!). Sam took offense at that comment and after a bit of loud back and forth the show went to commercial. When it came back, Janeane said that Sam and the producer had walked out. The show stumbled to close about twenty minutes later.

Now, I'm a HUGH fan of Sam Seder. When the show began a couple of years ago he was complete radio novice. But since then he's really grown into a great host and he's built the show into a platform for grassroots progressive action. And the show is very blog friendly with regular segments with Markos, Atrios and Bill Scher. And, of course, Sammy will not only be a panelist at YearlyKos, he will also be broadcasting his show from there. So, it is not without a little frustration that I see Janeane, who really has not been all that connected to the show the past year, take steps that undermine the show and its credibility. I know without her Sam wouldn't even have a show, but he's really worked his ass off to make the show his own. And that's been out of necessity since Janeane is frequently absent, often for weeks or months at a time.

So what ever you may think about the Sam/Janeane embroligo, if you see Sam in Vegas next week, give the man some love. He deserves it.

Originally posted to mrd in nyc on Fri Jun 02, 2006 at 08:48 PM PDT.

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  •  Janeane may have jumped the shark (12+ / 0-)

    She's got a sharp mind, but I've been finding her rather hard to take when I've come across her on the radio lately.

    Sam is the solid anchor of MMR.  Much more than Janeane at this point.

    Before you win, you have to fight. Come fight along with us at TexasKos.

    by boadicea on Fri Jun 02, 2006 at 08:43:12 PM PDT

  •  Janeane seems pretty naive (re: this issue) (20+ / 0-)
    the way Scientology is set up, it's not really possible to support a program run by the "church" without supporting the "church" itself.
  •  Thanks for posting this (1+ / 0-)
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    Kevin in Long Beach

    I'm curious, as I haven't been following this little feud between S & J.  Why does she continue to push this Detox group?

    •  I think she said she is involved with one of them (1+ / 0-)
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      murrayewv

      ...meaning one of the first responders who say they've been helped by the program -- maybe not as a boyfriend, but at least a personal friendship.

      It's never too late to become what you might have been. -- George Eliot

      by ZAPatty on Fri Jun 02, 2006 at 10:02:38 PM PDT

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  •  Didn't Hear it Tonight (1+ / 0-)
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    Terre

    But I really like listening to those two.  Any chance it was a put on?

    No tears to cry. No feelings left. This species has amused itself to death... - Roger Waters

    by Kevin in Long Beach on Fri Jun 02, 2006 at 08:45:09 PM PDT

    •  I've always wondered (0+ / 0-)

      If they fight so much because it's part of the show's combative shtick?  Or if they just are REALLY fighting.  Most of the time it's quirky and oddly endearing.

      I only heard the first 30 minutes of tonight's show so I missed the walkout.  Sounds like it wouldn't have sat well with me, tho.

      Spats are one thing.  But a full blown knockdown walkout?  I'd feel embarassed as a listener.

      Perhaps they need an on air radio personality relationship counselor?

      Reality has a well-known liberal bias.

      by m00nchild on Fri Jun 02, 2006 at 10:40:33 PM PDT

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  •  Wow, that's a bad scene (10+ / 0-)

    I don't get to listen to MajRep very often, but I agree with your assessment of Sam: he's terrific--always interesting, funny, and right on target.

    Janeane added some star quality to AAR in the early days, but frankly her schtick has worn thin over time. The long stretches where her acting commitments have kept her away from the show made me realize how great Sam really is.

    I would hate for Sam to come out on the short end of this brouhaha. Janeane could never carry the show on her own.

    IMPEACH! YES, I AM SHOUTING!

    by Sandia Blanca on Fri Jun 02, 2006 at 08:46:33 PM PDT

    •  I find Janeane unlistenable (9+ / 0-)

      I time my ride home to listen to Olbermann on XM, but occasionally switch over to Majority Report when he's doing the fluff stuff.

      I love listening to Sam Seder, and while I think Janeane often makes good points, I can't listen to her.  She's far too intrusive with guests, she monopolizes the air when she's on (does she inhale?), and she never uses one word when twenty will do.

      My true AAR love is Rachel Maddow in the morning.  Now there's a smart, professional up-and-comer.

      -4.50, -5.85 In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. --Orwell

      by Dallasdoc on Fri Jun 02, 2006 at 09:51:25 PM PDT

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      •  I must say (0+ / 0-)

        Dallasdoc rocks.  I've read several of your comments and you are always on (or near Cheney/Osama a bit off) point.  You are one of the best commenters on dkos.  Props.  Keep it up.

        •  Thanks! (1+ / 0-)
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          docangel

          Glad you appreciate my kibitzing.  I tried to be provocative on Hunter's diary, because for the first time I found myself disagreeing with part of his point of view.  Guess I succeeded... but read a couple of further comments in that thread.  I explain my position a little more fully.

          -4.50, -5.85 In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. --Orwell

          by Dallasdoc on Fri Jun 02, 2006 at 10:38:46 PM PDT

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      •  Ms Maddow (3+ / 0-)
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        Peanut, Dallasdoc, BobzCat

        Is a goddess.  When she's subbed on MR the show went to a whole new level.  She's so savvy in how she uses language to weave arguments either for or against issues and people.

        Thom Hartmann is equally gifted.  Would love to see BOTH of them on a show.  I'd never stop listening.

        Reality has a well-known liberal bias.

        by m00nchild on Fri Jun 02, 2006 at 10:44:36 PM PDT

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      •  Rachel makes being awake at 6 a.m. (1+ / 0-)
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        Dallasdoc

        not only bearable, but actually enjoyable.

        My schedule just flipped, so now I'm up early mornings. With her on the radio, my coffee tastes so much better.

        "Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others." -- Groucho Marx

        by BobzCat on Fri Jun 02, 2006 at 11:13:15 PM PDT

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      •  I love her (0+ / 0-)

        Now I haven't listened for 2 months, but, I much prefer Janeane's wandering around, getting into psychology, hearing about showbiz - Sam's fine for hammering how wrong and bad Bush is but who cares, I already know.

  •  Kiss and make up (3+ / 0-)
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    Peanut, taylormattd, trashablanca

    We need them both. (BTW, Sam was right to dis the Scientologists, and having them on does weaken the show's cred.)

  •  I caught a few minutes of it.. (0+ / 0-)

    ...and I couldn't quite figure out what was going on (I heard one of JG's bits on the Detox Project and was troubled that it was affilitated with Scientology), but I've been having trouble finding information (rather than anecdotes) on the effectiveness of the program.

    From the NYTimes article:

    A lieutenant named Rob, who refused to give his last name, stopped outside the clinic's building Thursday evening to talk about the regimen. He said that a visit included a weigh-in, a checkup with a clinic doctor and a four- or five-hour stretch in the sauna interspersed with intervals on a treadmill or stationary bike. In addition, he said, patients are given a packet of vitamins with gradually increasing doses of niacin.

    Isn't niacin just a vitamin B variety? IANAD, but that seems like a curious cure-all not to have already been advocated by medical professionals.

    Why am I here? To help fix this country.

    by socratic on Fri Jun 02, 2006 at 08:48:51 PM PDT

  •  They need to grow up (2+ / 0-)
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    melvin, Coherent Viewpoint

    The show and Air America isn't for them or about them -- its for others and for a noble cause.  The fact that they both behaved the way they did is indicative of their mutual egos, ala O'Reilly, Rush, Hannity and all the other radio-narcisstics.

    Janeane and Sam -- for pete's sake, grow up, shake hands, start respecting fairness and diverse views and get back on the air for something bigger than your opinions or feelings...

    Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect -- Mark Twain.

    by dcrolg on Fri Jun 02, 2006 at 08:49:56 PM PDT

  •  Janeane Garofalo is (6+ / 0-)

    why I listen to the Majority Report.  Look, you may not always agree with her opinions, but she is passionate about fighting the right.  Remember when she went on those gasbag shows to argue against the then upcoming Iraq war?  She knew they wanted "Hollywood loonies" to argue against their pundits, but she did it anyway because she knew they wouldn't put on a Juan Cole up against some GOP asshole.  That said, I have serious qualms about this detox program, but her point is that some of the first responders have told her that they feel better.  Now maybe it is the placebo effct, but when she hears people who have suffered saying that they feel better, she digs in and gives money and gives them air time.  

    She also noted that even though she's an atheist, she gives money to the Mormon Boys and Girl clubs and other groups with religious affiliations.  Her point was that she doesn't believe in the basic precepts of any of these religions, but if she thinks an organization is doing some good for some folks, she will support them--regardless of their religious affiliation.  I understand Sam's qualms, but Janeane's reasons for supporting this group are not completely unreasonable.

    •  I should LOVE Her ... but i don't (10+ / 0-)

      She and i are virtually the same age (by a separation of at most a couple months); I share virtually every belief she has.  The same things that irritate her irritate me.  I even love the same music she does.

      But, i can not stand her.

      She is as rabid and unreasonable as any right wing nut.  She admits, to her favour, a victim of her own anger management faults.  But i have observed virtually nothing that leaves me in the belief that she is doing anything about it.  Hell, Marc Maron and Mike Malloy have the same "anger management" issues, but they as likely as not are apt to slough it off, and admit "WTF do i know ... i am just a radio guy" ... Janeane though -- takes herself so damned seriously, and has lost any sense of humour -- which i think is an aboslute must have

      She takes offense far too easily.
      She takes herself far too seriously.
      She talks over people and doesn't let them answer.
      She is egotistical to distraction.
      She is humourless.
      She is way too angry without any steamvent.

      Other than that, i agree with virtually everything she says!

  •  re: Fighting Dems segments (4+ / 0-)

    Although she wasn't present for many of the FD segments, I never got the impression that she was crazy about it. It seemed to me that she had a bit of an attitude during the segment which featured Paul Hackett (one of the segments which she was there for). Just my impression.

    I think Sam does an excellent job hosting the show, Janeane I find annoying.

    "For war, billions more, but no more for the poor" Reverend Joseph Lowery 02/07/06

    by Prison4Bushco on Fri Jun 02, 2006 at 08:53:53 PM PDT

    •  She used 'Fighting Dems' as... (0+ / 0-)

      ..a bad example. She was looking for something to explain her reasoning and grabbed at that. I don't think she'd do it again. I think she grabbed too quickly without thinking it through.

      That said: Did you hear Hackett the other day on  Sam's show tearing down Representative Murtha? He sounded like his next stop should be a job with Fox News. I was also shocked at how ridiculous he seemed when he was standing in for Jerry Springer. In retrospect, I don't think he's ready for the Senate.  Just my opinion.

      •  I missed that (1+ / 0-)
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        dirkster42

        was he criticizing Murtha for speaking out about Haditha? Or was it something else? I understand your opinion of Hackett. I was a big supporter (contributed to both camnpaigns) but am more lukewarm towards him than anything else.

        "For war, billions more, but no more for the poor" Reverend Joseph Lowery 02/07/06

        by Prison4Bushco on Fri Jun 02, 2006 at 11:07:38 PM PDT

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      •  I heard that! (2+ / 0-)
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        nehark, willers

        That was EXTREMELY strange. First said he's representing a guy that's suing the govt over the handling of the stolen military records, but his argument didn't make any sense to me. Then he goes off on Murtha saying "he needs to start taking his meds again" for talking about the Hadita massacre and slandering someone who wasn't involved. But he didn't make it clear how Murtha did that. I think he even took Sam Seder by surprise.

        Frankly, I think we may have dodged a bullet with the whole Hackett thing.

  •  I used to really like Janeane (11+ / 0-)

    But I feel the show is stronger and more infromative without her now.  I swear I would have troll rated her for hijacking the thread the last couple of days.

    "Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans." J. Lennon

    by trashablanca on Fri Jun 02, 2006 at 09:04:02 PM PDT

  •  Meh (3+ / 0-)
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    michael1104, trashablanca, BlueBiker

    Am I supposed to give a shit about Scientology as a political issue?  Because I don't.  Freedom of religion, no matter how stupid, is the law of the land.

    The urge to save humanity is almost always a false face for the urge to rule it. ~ H.L. Mencken

    by Jay Elias on Fri Jun 02, 2006 at 09:06:10 PM PDT

  •  I get the feeling reading this diary (8+ / 0-)

    that these two folks probably needed to have had a serious sit-down off the air (with their staff and producers if there is some kind of a split with some folks backing one and some the other) about their problems with each other and whatever is stuck, or has been stuck, in each other's craw before it came to this. I don't believe this is entirely about Scientology at all. Except as a straw that broke the camels back and brought a lot of ill feelings to the surface all at once. Walking out on the air could be very damaging to a career, and its just not done lightly by professionals and I consider Sam a very professional progressive speaker.

    Very specific issues and counterpoints (its no different that having 'x' on the air for a segment, you wouldn't get this pissed off over another faith's, say your own's, aid group doing this sort of work) were brought up as they were having their arguments.

    Spontanious words, maybe, but simmering sentiments often lead to spontanious outbursts and rash actions.

    I like them both, but maybe they just don't have a very good working relationship off the air, and we just were never privvy to just how much friction there was between them.

    Unless Sam Seder has a history as an anti-Scientologist activist I don't know about, reading the account of what happened in this diary, I just don't see how a difference of opinion over a Scientology-backed group, that neither of them actually believes in as a faith, could lead to all of this drama unless there was a lot more to it.

    "Email is the drive-by shooting of the common man." -Richard "Civility" Cohen

    by LeftHandedMan on Fri Jun 02, 2006 at 09:20:01 PM PDT

    •  Oh, well (1+ / 0-)
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      dirkster42

      nothing worth doing is ever easy.

      I have been pulling for AirAmerica since the right began writing its obits since day one.

      Maybe someday, on AirAmerica's 50th anniversary, when it is a progressive institution and not remembered as periodically becoming some kind of liberal 'Dynasty for Progressive Grad Students' behind the scenes, everyone involved will all laugh about this.

      "Email is the drive-by shooting of the common man." -Richard "Civility" Cohen

      by LeftHandedMan on Fri Jun 02, 2006 at 09:26:07 PM PDT

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  •  Thanks for the update. (2+ / 0-)
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    willers, dirkster42

    I heard just the tail end of the show and wondered what had happened.

    Sam and Jeannine have been the Battling Bickersons for a while now and it makes for bad radio.  I hope it gets worked out one way or another.

    Will somebody PLEASE give George a BJ so we can impeach him? -5.25, -4.51

    by Tod on Fri Jun 02, 2006 at 09:24:43 PM PDT

  •  Sam's more valuable to Air America (6+ / 0-)
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    TracieLynn, Terre, sc kitty, Tod, melvin, dirkster42

    Sam's the one called in during unexpected situations.
    He fills in for Randi Rhodes when she's sick and he's filled in for Al Franken as well.
    As much as I enjoy Janeane, Sam's better.
    And, in my opinion only, Sam's probably much more important to the PTB at Air America.

  •  Missed it, but kind of heard it coming. (3+ / 0-)
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    josephk, willers, dirkster42

    As someone said above, it seems there's something else behind this. It also seems that management at AAR is just fucked. They should have stepped in and settled this before an on air hissy fit.

    Look in the mirror, dKos.

    •  ratings GOLDMINE (1+ / 0-)
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      dirkster42

      C'mon, have a little on air tiff, generate some news.  It's all good press.  Who doesn't want to listen to that show now that you know, or think you know, that fireworks are going to shoot out someone's ass at any moment?

      Don't you get it yet? It's not incompetence. It's been the plan all along to destroy America.

      by voltayre on Fri Jun 02, 2006 at 10:29:00 PM PDT

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  •  Isn't it supposed to be the message... (3+ / 0-)

    not the messenger?
    I think scientology is strange, and have no idea why people give them so much money.  But the detox program described on their website is old school, very old school, (circa 1900).  As for M.D.s not knowing anything about it, they are not taught a lot of things.  But sweating is a time tested method for expelling many pollutants or toxins.  That is part of the role of sweat and the skin, you may think your bowel is your biggest eliminative organ, but think again it is your skin.  I have used similar methods many times on my self and others.  It works, but it is very cheap, and not likely to be studied.  Also, as long as you remain hydrated and keep your core temp in check, not dangerous.  Niacin is indeed a b vitamin that causes a dilation of the capillaries and a "rush" sensation.  It is useful for forcing the blood into the tissues much like a pressure washer would clean the cracks in a sidewalk.  Cold pressed oils have lots of modern science backing them up these days (go to www.lef.org for some of the research)  The fats bind to pollutants in the system and carry them out through the stool.  None of this is controversial, and as for the canard that it isn't proven, neither is MOST of the medicine that is practiced.  And it has the advantage of being cheap and safe, and given that I would be more than willing to judge it on the reports of those using it instead of those saying "it can't work!"
    As long as they don't want money from the government I say leave them alone, especially if it is helping.

    •  Well said (2+ / 0-)

      Let me preface what I'm about to say with this: I am by no means a Scientology stooge.  I think a great majority of it is complete hogwash.

      That being said, I've been putting together a documentary on the "squirrel" community--in layman's terms, it's a group of Scientology expatriots, leaving the Church b/c they disagree with the way the Church is currently being run--yet who still practice the basic "scriptures" layed out by L. Ron Hubbard.

      While there is more than ample evidence to suggest that many of the practices of the original Church don't really hold up under scrutiny, I've found that alot of people find it useful anyway.  So if it works and it's not hurting you or I, just let them be.  In my opinion, what the squirrels do is no more silly than alot of other religious practices.

      I do, however, have a problem with Janene hyping the Detox people up.  They are a direct arm of the Church and what she's doing is basically giving promotion to a greedy, totalitarian organization.  That's my two cents.....  

    •  Fine (0+ / 0-)

      So Sauna and vitamin B will do the trick. I have been doing that for years, 80-100 celsius and cold beer. Beer does contain niacin. Hell, sometimes i can even go  out and swim naked in a lake during the winter (i enjoy summer lot more).

      I would choose proper doctors and real care over my current lifestyle (as a cure).

      Let's agree to disagree.

      Get your facts first, and then you can distort them as much as you please. Mark Twain

      by allmost liberal european on Fri Jun 02, 2006 at 09:48:53 PM PDT

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    •  Actually (0+ / 0-)
      most medicine is proven.  This is the same as the difference between Evolution and Creationism. One is based on the principles of the scientific method, the other is based on faith.

      While Niacin can be helpful at certain moderate doses, like anything else, it can be very harmful at high doses like this regimen seems to prescribe.  Also, sweat contains very little toxin, so sweating isn't going to do you much good.  It's basic anatomy/physiology that drugs/toxins will predominate in the liver and kidneys.  

      Yes, there may be a placebo effect that helps some of these people, but there is also a risk that some people will be hurt by this kind of thing and that's the problem.

    •  It's a frontgroup. (1+ / 0-)
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      dirkster42

      There is a reason Scientology has these frontgroups: to get more people into their organization. Individuals in those frontgroups may not realize that or may sometimes even be well-meaning people, the eventual goal of Scientology is, and has always been, to suck more people into their cult.

      That's why these groups should not be promoted in any way. They are designed for the benefit of a greedy, dangerous cult.

      I do not have my own blog.

      by Frank on Sat Jun 03, 2006 at 02:21:45 AM PDT

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  •  Haven't read the comments yet (2+ / 0-)

    and I'm glad that Sam stood his ground.  I'm not quite sure why, but I've never really liked Janine.  I've always been relieved when it's just Sam interviewing guests.  Majority Report would do well, or better, without her.

    I've always gotten the impression that she's got her 'nose in the air'.

  •  Here's the problem with joining any Scientology (16+ / 0-)

    program, no matter how effective:

    You will be on a Scientology mailing list, for life. And up for "visits" from cultists, and phone calls, all just short of stalking

    Janeane would have been funnelling poor souls into their cult web.

    And having known those who escaped Scientology, tens of thousands of dollars poorer for the experience, who were then threatened and stalked, endlessly by current members, no matter how helpful a program might be, I couldn't recommend anyone let themselves in for that Scientology treatment.

    •  And the sweat and niacin regimen can be even more (1+ / 0-)
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      dirkster42

      Damaging to people whose livers are already damaged like alcoholics and addicts. And the pressure to join and become part of an obsessive cult doesn't help in regaining either sobriety or sanity. This group is preying on people both compromised physically and mentally and financially for their own recruitment. If it were truly beneficial, it would sell itself like AA.

      Janeane may have been affected by her relationship with the "celebrity Scionos" like Cruise, et al. But these pampered pets are insulated from the real human cost of being a follower. She's insulted beause the lies those poodles tell her. She can't believe what ordinary people with no pull have said about something her beloved fellow celebrities are into. It would be sad if it were not so damaging and heartbreaking, to see what cult survivors have to put up with to tell their truths in the face of this sort of shilling.

      A Dean Democrat-because I could have been an evacuee.

      by CarolDuhart on Sat Jun 03, 2006 at 01:20:31 AM PDT

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    •  You don't even have to join... (0+ / 0-)

      In the mid 80s I lived in a large apartment complex in California, and some guy came to my door selling the book "Dianetics".  Not really knowing anything about it, I gave the guy a few bucks cash and took the books.  He was just going door to door, so the ONLY information he easily had was my address -- I did NOT give him any information, had an unlisted phone number, and my name wasn't on the mailbox or anywhere else publicly.

      After that I got tons of junk mail, to me personally.  Then I got phone calls, wanting to "help" me.  They had more information on me that I ever gave them, which was nothing.  They wouldn't STOP calling when asked.   After 5 moves, in different West and East coast states, the calls have stopped, but I still get big, full colored brochures from them ever few weeks.

      They didn't do anything illegal, I suppose, but people  should realize what's going to happen if they become even tangentially involved with them.

  •  I can listen... (2+ / 0-)
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    willers, dirkster42

    to Seder for about 15 minutes.
    To Jeannine for maybe 10.
    And to both of them together for about 90 seconds.
    I don't even bother with AAR between 7 and 10 anymore. That time slot has become my break from political talk and I tune instead to ultimatescifi.com or KNR's Mind Theater for some good Old Time Radio. I love the commercials about how cigarettes are good for you.

  •  Garofalo, disappointment. (0+ / 0-)

    I used to have a quote of hers from a Progressive magazine interview as a sig file in my e-mail.

    Once my aunt got me hooked on AAR, though, she turned out to be one of my least favorite personalities.  She goes ad hominem and into huge psychological generalizations way, way too quick.  Every once in a while she'll make a point that nobody else is making that needs to be heard, but by the time she's said it I've been turned off.  I'm not sure why, but when Randi Rhodes goes shrill, it doesn't bother me as much.  Maybe just because Rhodes is more solid with her fact-checking?

    I heard the Majority Report leading up to Sam's walk-off today.  It was pretty embarrassing, with Janeanne repeatedly saying it was a matter of Sam's "ego," which is a pretty crude way to try to seize the moral high ground.

    I kind of wonder what Limbaugh and Hannity are going to do with this.  Is there really no such thing as bad publicity?

    -8.75, -6.10 "Now I am a gay man. I know what a phone service repair man is meant to look like." John Scagliotti

    by dirkster42 on Fri Jun 02, 2006 at 11:57:10 PM PDT

  •  The studio is too small for both (1+ / 0-)
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    My impression is that Sam has got his chops after doing the show solo for a long time.  That there is not enough time per hour for them to share the time together and there's contention about who talks about what within the limited time -- the commercial breaks per hour are just excessive anyway, further compressing available air time.  I also remember hearing a few weeks back Janeane saying she had not been paid for quite a while.  I think AAR is not doing well financially at all and that many of the staff are working for no pay or very little, so this is contributing to what happens on air.  My opinion is that its a labor of love for many of the staff, and that Janeane is there pro bono because she believes in the program.   Janeane's time away from the show allowed Sam to grow into it, and its clear he's going with it and is not being weak about keeping his show on his terms.  

    The brittleness I hear bewteen them now has more of an edge than I remember in the beginning days of the show.  I like them both, but they are too big for the room.  

  •  I (1+ / 0-)
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    am NOT Garafoloco although I am quite Sederazy.

    If she's on solo, the radio is off. If it is a duo, meh, but Sam alone?

    I! Love! Sam! Seder! (just to make it clear).

    Anyhoozle, a Janeane would say, she is really obstinate and cannot admit if she is wrong and she does hijack threads, trying to make connections between her inflexible ideas and whatever the point of the guests on the show. I don't think it has anything to do with gender. Rachael Maddow stands her ground quite well with guests she has different opinions from - it's just the ground she stands on is firm, not shakey jelly.

    I hope Garafolo leaves the show or Sam gets a different show just for his own self.

    Please, someone give Bush a blow job so we can impeach him already!

    by joojooluv on Sat Jun 03, 2006 at 02:15:08 AM PDT

  •  I used to love Janeane (1+ / 0-)
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    but I've also noticed she is getting too shrill, pushy and just unpleasant lately. Too bad, because I really respected her for getting in there and fighting the good fight.  Love Sam Seder.  He's great.

    "The election's over. We won. It's all over but the counting, and we'll take care of the counting." Rep. Peter King (R-NY) at WH function, 2003

    by kathika on Sat Jun 03, 2006 at 03:49:00 AM PDT

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