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I did a quick experiment to measure browser & OS usage on lefty blogs vs. righty blogs--using as subjects and

Both sites allow posting of photos hosted on another server, where the http logs can identify the browser and OS of the machines that hit the photos.

Here are the stats:

Not surprising I guess.

Originally posted to jmknapp on Tue Jun 13, 2006 at 06:39 PM PDT.


Best browser?

5%17 votes
72%223 votes
4%14 votes
10%31 votes
1%6 votes
1%6 votes
0%0 votes
1%4 votes
1%5 votes

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  •  Opera (0+ / 0-)

    Is <1%?</p>

    W - all boots & hat, no cattle .75, -7.54

    by Mosquito Pilot on Tue Jun 13, 2006 at 06:40:43 PM PDT

  •  Not surprising (7+ / 0-)

    Most Republicans probably aren't that computer savvy, given their world is nothing more than turning something on and expecting it to just 'work' instead of learning about it.  Firefox is just far enough outside of the spectrum to require some curiosity about computers in order to deal with it and how it works.  Hence, having progressives/liberals (or rather, people who learn and take time to read) using Firefox and benefiting is nothing really big.

    Not that I work with the public and deal with ignorance and computers all the time. ;)

  •  Firefox's biggest problem (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Mullibok, Spud1, Chaoticfluffy

    It's such a memory hog on my laptop.  I lost use of my desktop computer (which I used as a "stereo", among other things) so everything is running off the laptop now.  When things bog down, it's always Firefox using the most RAM.  Gah.

    My birthday is coming up.  Y'all can buy me a new 512 meg notebook stick if you are so inclined :D

    •  Firefox setting suggestion (4+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      tmo, Mullibok, John DE, ruralMB

      Open up the firefox options page (type "about:config" into the address bar and hit return) and look for browser.sessionhistory.max_total_viewers which is probably set to the default value of -1 which means firefox automatically adjusts this setting based on the amount of memory in the machine.  Check out the link for full details.  I've found that on low memory machines when using a bunch of tabs that the default is too high and either setting this to not cache or just cache 1 fully rendered page makes a big difference.

      The tradeoff with this option is how fast hitting back works.  To see the effect set it to 0 and hit the back button and notice it now takes longer because it re-renders the page.  Fully rendered pages are big to store (hence the memory usage) and what's worse is the setting is PER TAB.  That means if you create and use a bunch of tabs so that your storeing 2-3 fully rendered pages per tab that's a lot of memory that on a small laptop just ends up wasting time swapping.  If firefox is the only thing running this might be a wash, but if you run anything else on the laptop the swapping will definitely make things appear slower...

      Your mileage may vary but I'd try it.  I find that I very rarely go back more than 1 page so setting it to 1 works very well for me.

  •  Oh please (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    bibble, dougymi, baronzito

    So now I'm supposed to change browsers because Explorer is politically incorrect?  This is stupid and pointless.  And a waste of diary space.

      •  Then what's the point? (0+ / 0-)

        I fail to see the point of either collecting or posting this data here, then?  What's the purpose?  Maybe I'm just an old woman here, but I just don't see the point of the diary if it's not to give the impression that "firefox is good because liberals like it more than explorer" or some such thing.  If that's not the purpose, then who cares about this?

        •  Unexpected results (0+ / 0-)

          If leftists wore polka-dot shirts on the average four times more than rightists do, then that would be interesting, as politics wouldn't be expected to be correlated with shirt pattern. Such results can point to something interesting going on if one digs deeper. I wouldn't think a liberal's choice in such matters is "good" or "bad" though.

          In this case, my humble opinion would be that the choices are made less on relative merit than to suit a pose that resonates with one's political stance. So Mac users see themselves as rebels, artistic, creative. They like to rail against Microsoft with the same type of ire directed at the Bush administration. Clearly, the same types of software tools are available on both systems as far as that goes, and Steve Jobs is at least as bad as Bill Gates when it comes to making proprietary products and locking out competition. He's just got a smaller pond. So it's more style than substance.

          I've always thought it interesting that if one takes a random sample of laptops seen in coffeeshops, Macs predominate even though they represent a small fraction of the market. At least part of that must reflect a statement being made by these very public surfers. There's also the artistic/bohemian factor, where such types perhaps gravitate more to Macs, being a less geeky, easier computer to use--that "just works" rather than getting involved in all kinds of technical details that are the fate of Windows users who tend more towards the engineering type and conservatism.

          •  See, that's what's wrong with this (0+ / 0-)

            I am neither an engineer nor a conservative, yet I've always used PC's rather than Apple, simply because that's what I started with (a Gateway PC lo these many years ago), and that's what every educational institution and government I've worked for uses.  And I've never had huge problems with PC's, since I mostly do word processing, as an academic, and I don't do gaming or other activities that required high graphics capacity.  So I think this "pattern" is pretty meaningless.

    •  Of course not (5+ / 0-)

      The diarist didn't state or imply that. Use whatever browser works best for you. But you may want to consider trying Firefox - it really is da bomb.

      •  I resisted for a while (2+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        DavidNYC, TiaRachel

        due to firefox not having some features that AventBrowser (IE shell that makes it slightly less evil) had. And then someone smacked me in the head and pointed me to the extensions, which had every feature i'd been complaining about. And I am now a very happy camper with my weather forecast and auto-restart integrated into my browser.

        "[R]esistance was a choice [of] how to live in the moments before we died." - Marek Edelman, officer of the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising

        by Chaoticfluffy on Tue Jun 13, 2006 at 06:52:02 PM PDT

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    •  Uh, yes, no one suggested you change anything. (7+ / 0-)

      A little levity goes a long way. Cheers from this Firefox user.

    •  Oh please, yourself! (8+ / 0-)

      Who said you had to change browsers?

      Who said Internet Explorer is politically incorrect?

      The diarist was pointing out an interesting statistic. If you're reading that to mean that you must change browsers, and that you're politically incorrect if you don't...

      ... maybe there's something wrong with your browser, because that's not what it says on my screen. In Firefox.

      Anyway, I didn't change to Firefox because Explorer was politically incorrect. I changed because it was an insecure piece of shit that allowed driveby downloads unless I used an account without installation privileges, and kept freezing and needing to be reinstalled.

      But you know what? You just go right ahead and use any browser you'd like. It's OKAY -- really -- just as long as you feel good about it.

      And we sure don't want you to have to waste any more comment space worrying about what you're "supposed to do."

      America will never again be the land of the free... Unless she first becomes the home of the brave.

      by Ducktape on Tue Jun 13, 2006 at 06:58:01 PM PDT

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    •  you must change browsers... (6+ / 0-)

      you must change browsers...
      you must change browsers...
      you must change browsers...

      "Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness." Mark Twain

      by dougymi on Tue Jun 13, 2006 at 07:31:35 PM PDT

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    •  You should stop using IE because (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:

      it is full of bugs that expose your computer to worms, hackers, trojans, and other bad things, and Microsoft is slow to fix them.

  •  I just went Firefox (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:

    I've always hated IE with a passion so I held on to Netscape until the bitter end. The fox is pretty much the same. Haven't tried any add-ons yet.

  •  Two thoughts (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Mullibok, DemocraticLuntz
    1. I'd try increasing your sample size.
    1. Use SiteMeter. Many blogs use it, and it collects stats by browser. The only caveat is that the numbers can fluctuate a lot. DKos is almost 50% Firefox while under 40% IE, at this moment.
  •  Geek politics! (3+ / 0-)

    Now that's what I'm talking about!

    "[R]esistance was a choice [of] how to live in the moments before we died." - Marek Edelman, officer of the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising

    by Chaoticfluffy on Tue Jun 13, 2006 at 06:48:55 PM PDT

  •  Add a poll!!! Cheers n/t (1+ / 0-)
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  •  ummm... (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:

    "Macintosh" isn't a browser.

  •  Tabbed browsing kicks major ass... (6+ / 0-)
    when reading/posting to any blog...Firefox has this now...will be coming in IE7/Vista OS.

    People in Eurasia on the brink of oppression: I hope it's gonna be alright... Pet Shop Boys: Introspective

    by rgilly on Tue Jun 13, 2006 at 06:50:52 PM PDT

    •  I thought every browser has tabs now (0+ / 0-)

      Every browser I have does. I'd forgotten about IE.

      •  Out of curiosity (0+ / 0-)

        Why do you use more than one browser? I use Firefox all the time, except the very rare cases where certain sites force me to use IE.

        •  The committment to cross-browser support (1+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:

          You're enjoying here ain't exactly universal, yaknow. =)

          •  Oh, I'm well aware (1+ / 0-)
            Recommended by:

            And immensely grateful to your wide-ranging bug-stomping.

            Then again, I think Markos would sooner turn his back on IE than on Safari or Firefox. :)

            In any event, while I can imagine a number of reasons why someone might use multiple browsers (especially a developer), I was curious as to why this particular user did so. Since s/he mentioned s/he did not use IE, I thought that "web developer" was an unlikely reason.

        •  heh (3+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          peeder, bato, TiaRachel

          I use Firefox about 98% of the time.  Every once in a while I'd fire up IE (or Safari) for some specific purpose.  

          Then I decided to install the IE7 Beta to see what the fuss was about.  Damn thing crashes within 3 minutes no matter what I do (heavy disclaimer: that is not a reflection on the quality of IE7; it looks like a decent browser, but it's very definitely beta), so, er, now I'm 99.3% Firefox.  :)

          Funny story, which I think I'm repeating from a few weeks ago (but I had to do it again yesterday, so the relevancy clock reset): I needed to get a document off my company's document management system from home.  It doesn't require IE, but it works much better in IE.  So I launched IE and .. well, it crashed.

          So, I fired up my Mac, launched Parallels, booted XP in a virtual session, launched IE, logged into our Citrix server and launched my doc management system.

          For those keeping score at home: I was running a virtual copy of an appliction on a virtual instance of Windows XP on another virtual instance of XP inside OS X.  It was trippy.

          Why am I here? To help fix this country.

          by socratic on Tue Jun 13, 2006 at 07:10:58 PM PDT

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          •  Heh (0+ / 0-)

            Very 21st century.

            How are you like Parallels? Speedy? Stable?

            Also, isn't there IE for Mac, too? If there is, I'd imagine using it would feel like putting kerosene into an F-14.

            •  there sure is.. (0+ / 0-)

              ..I think it topped out at version 5.2 made for OS 9, so a long, long time ago (computer-wise).  MS stopped developing it a while back, and I bet only a couple thousand people still use it religiously (at least on OS X, where it runs through Rosetta).

              Parallels is a dream.  WinXP runs at about 90% of normal speed for the processor.  No good for games or high-end graphics because the video drivers don't do 3D, but for Office (though Office for Mac is a superior product) and things like my document management system, it's perfect.  

              Why am I here? To help fix this country.

              by socratic on Tue Jun 13, 2006 at 07:45:42 PM PDT

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              •  Is there talk (0+ / 0-)

                Of allowing 3D graphics in Windows-on-Mac some day? Perhaps via Boot Camp rather than Parallels?

                •  Oh definitely (0+ / 0-)

                  I think it's just a driver issue. But rest assured, that is the first thing the hackers will try to get working.

                •  Sure (1+ / 0-)
                  Recommended by:

                  Run Boot Camp and you have a 100% native version of Windows.  Parallels is talking about two things that are interesting (in their forums): 1) improved 3D drivers in a later version and 2) running the virtual Parallels session directly off of a Boot Camp installation.  The advantage of the latter is that, if Parallels were ever insufficient, you could simply reboot into a complete and native Windows session (the disadvantage is that you wouldn't have Parallels' compression of the virtual image, so you'd be using up relatively more of your physical harddrive for Windows).  

                  I'm not a real Mac evangelist.  Sure, the OS is rock solid (if visually inconsistent at times because of Apple's user interface experimentation or, if you prefer, fiddling about).  The hardware is elegant and incredibly solid.  But XP is a fine OS if you take care of it, and Alienware and (less so today) Lenovo with its former IBM ThinkPads are top-notch machines (with a top-notch price, like some Apples).  I'm typing this on my XP desktop, by the way: a so-so Sony (heh) Vaio I bought on clearance.  

                  That said, I'll continue to buy Apple laptops because they're so good, compared to the bulky and unelegant Dells and Toshibas of the world (by any reasonable metric, Dells and Toshibas are perfectly good tools, but Apples are just a bit better), and now I can run Windows on them if I need to.

                  Getting back to your question, yes, more robust 3D support is available now through Boot Camp and will likely be coming in Parallels or Apple's own rumored version of the same technology.

                  Why am I here? To help fix this country.

                  by socratic on Tue Jun 13, 2006 at 08:05:22 PM PDT

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        •  Some browsers are quicker than Firefox (2+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          peeder, gmhowell

          I'm on a Mac and Camino is cleaner and Safari is more standards compliant. Also, for Mac people, Camino and Safari are Cocoa based so all the OSX Services and Contextual menus work but they don't work in Firefox which is not Cocoa.

    •  I would be shocked (2+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      snakelass, Chaoticfluffy

      If IE 7 could possibly entice Firefox die-hards (is there any other type of Firefox user?) to go back to the MSFT fold. Even if IE 7 is faster and slicker, it simply won't have the thousands of extensions (or the ability to easily program them) that already exist for FFox.

    •  Not to mention (0+ / 0-)

      the 'open in tabs' folders function. I hit my "morning" button and, boom, everything I want to see opens in its own tab while I go get some coffee. Can't imagine going back from tabs.

      •  don't you love that? (0+ / 0-)

        I have a tab called "permablog" that has about 28 blogs on it.  Of course, "open in tabs" brings my computer to its knees.  Oh, and there's "refresh all tabs" for when you are trying to be "frist" on Eschaton and "fitz" on FireDogLake at the same time.  Please don't do it though, it's particularly driving me crazy at FireDogLake where there are some very substantive posts.

    •  i'm so used to tabbed web browsing (1+ / 0-)
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      that i keep wanted to tab all my finder windows. what a great way to keep all my projects organized in a single window.

      why hasn't this been integrated into the OS?

      Add the Constitution to your iPod. A free download for freedom.

      by internik on Tue Jun 13, 2006 at 07:33:26 PM PDT

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    •  Yeah (0+ / 0-)

      that's a really cool tool.  I love it.  Sure saves confusion and makes for easy moving around sites.

      We Needd REGIME CHANGE

  •  I don't have a Mac and I tried to use (0+ / 0-)

    Firefox/Mozilla(?) with my PC and it was not a good experience. Does it work better with Mac? Did I do something wrong? I am Red now using IE. I never thought I would be Red in California. Oh well.

    I am typing my fingers to the bone for Harry, his little hippie River and America.

    by Chamonix on Tue Jun 13, 2006 at 07:00:09 PM PDT

    •  Sorry to hear that (2+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      socratic, Chamonix

      I've used Firefox with my PC for... I'm guessing over a year and a half, and have had an infinitely better experience than with IE.

      •  Not bragging but.. (2+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        Chamonix, snakelass

        ..I've been on Firefox since about 0.4 (so a really long time ago), and it's been amazing to watch it mature.  The two biggest problems I have with it are: 1) some serious memory management issues related to extensions and the "instant back" feature, and 2) the frustratingly non-movable toolbars (I used to have my IE toolbars happily living on one "line").

        but, while IE has numbers, Opera has innovative features, and Safari has the speed, only Firefox has the balance I'm looking for day-to-day (and sweet, sweet extensions).

        Why am I here? To help fix this country.

        by socratic on Tue Jun 13, 2006 at 07:14:21 PM PDT

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      •  wow...i thought maybe it just wasn't (0+ / 0-)

        compatable with my PC. Maybe something went wrong when I downloaded it. Perhaps I will try to do it again. I hate Internet Explorer. Always shuts down on me. Sucks big time.

        I am typing my fingers to the bone for Harry, his little hippie River and America.

        by Chamonix on Tue Jun 13, 2006 at 07:20:31 PM PDT

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        •  What I'd suggest is this (2+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          TiaRachel, kingubu

          If you haven't done these steps already:

          1. Check your computer for viruses. (And make sure you have downloaded the latest virus definitions first.) I think Google is offering a free version of Norton Anti-Virus if you download Google Pack.
          1. Check your computer for spyware. Plenty of good free programs that do this.
          1. Optional: Use the Windows "Disk Cleanup" program to  get rid of unnecessary junk.
          1. Optional (can take a long time): Defragment your hard drive with "Disk Defragmenter".

          Then restart your computer, download the latest version of Firefox, and try installing it.

    •  I use Firefox w/ a PC (0+ / 0-)

      and I've had a few problems but by and large I've had a good experience.  It was doing something weird last week and giving me strange messages when I tried to go to DailyKos or HuffingtonPost and I had to use IE to get there or I could use bookmark thru Firefox to get there.  And when I'd hit 'home' on DKos to return to the frontpage I'd get that same strange system administrator message saying it couldn't get to that URL.  Once I got there, I could use tabs to avoid that problem.  Strange.  Then a day or so ago, that problem just 'went away.'  Everything is fine now.  Go figure.  I swear sometimes computers just do weird things for no reason and then just fix themselves.  Oh well, at least I'm blue in a blue state!


  •  Who voted for Lynx? (3+ / 0-)

    Some one with a 286 with  512K of RAM and 1OMB HD?

    Necessity is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.-- Wm.Pitt the Younger

    by JeffSCinNY on Tue Jun 13, 2006 at 07:02:50 PM PDT

  •  Firefox and multiple tabs (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    deben, snakelass

    Maybe it's more natural for the liberal mind-set to keep many tabs open at once, and conservatives are more single minded?

    I got Firefox by accident but I love it.

    Plus Microsoft is the Borg and my people resisted when the Borg came to assimilate us.

    Politics is like driving. To go backward, put it in R. To go forward, put it in D. IMPEACH!

    by TrueBlueMajority on Tue Jun 13, 2006 at 07:07:32 PM PDT

  •  Camino (0+ / 0-)

    Mac OSX is the best platform. Firefox is the best browser, but the best version of Firefox for Mac OSX is Camino. Deer Park is a close second.

    •  Beat me to it. (0+ / 0-)

      I just tried Camino for the first time yesterday....haven't totally decided, but it has the tabs and stuff like firefox..which I seemsto run a bit smoother.  Like I said, I've only used it a bit, though.

      •  I miss a few things (0+ / 0-)

        I found the ad blocking extensions on Firefox easier to manage.

        I had an extension that allowed open tabs to scroll down into multiple rows when I had too many to fit on one line.

        I could set my homepage to a group of tabs.

        Memory/CPU use is still higher than it should be, but not as bad as Firefox.

  •  I've been using firefox for over a year now (0+ / 0-)

    it's a lot more stable than internet explorer which seemed to crash all the time.  I only use IE when I need to watch videos at sites like cnn because for some reason they refused to make their videos compatible with firefox.  

  •  I prefer Mozilla (not Firefox/Mozilla) (0+ / 0-)

    because I like to change the color scheme and fonts. Currently I view dailykos in red, white and blue, with Arial font. My second choice is Safari.

  •  need more information (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    peeder, va dare

    in order to evaluate your claims.

    How many images were used to collect the data?

    Over what period of time was the data collected?

    How many total hits were collected?

    How many total users?

    What were the images used?  What diaries were they attached to?  Is there a possibility you were sampling quite different subgroups on the different sites due to differing content?

  •  I hate to say it (0+ / 0-)

    Bit I just cant be bothered installing and setting up a browswer that does not get loaded and set up when you install the operating system.

    I have tried Opera, and loved it, when it came with a version of Linux tried and pre installed.

    In fact I love the mini opera for my cell phone.

    But by and large, I just use what comes on the computer. I just got a new notebook, and it came with I.E. and thats that. Given the auto upgrade function with windows, it all makes life a`lot easier.

    Given that all I do anymore with computers is check my email, stream NPR, the BBC and Radio France International, and check Daily Kos daily, I could probably do as well with a PDA (Nokia 770, internet tablet is nice , has Debian Linux as an O.S. and Opera as the browser) and thge new Acoustic Energy Wifi Internet RAdio, which I think will end up replacing the entire concept of HD Radio anyway.

    It just really is not worth the pain in the neck of installing a separate browser for the minor difference performance.

    •  Ain't no such thing... (0+ / 0-)

      as "setting up" a browser on the Mac. Download it, drag it to a folder and start it up. That's it, that's all there is, you're done.

      •  As I remember (0+ / 0-)

        My old Mac was not all that easy. There were times that non apple sortware just didnt quite run right, and it was much more dificult accessing the Mac OS to make manual changes.

        When I had to replace my last machine, a considered the Mac Mini, which does`away with the old lack of hardware problems Mac owners used to face,but for the work I was doing online there was no Mac version of the gateway software I needed to access the documents I worked on, and a soft windows solution  defeated the purpose I needed for a faster clock speed.

        I would probably buy one now, as the only thing I use the computer for is email, one or two blogs, and as a replacement for shortwave radio, which is`going the way of the dodo. Occasionally I  do some online searches for friends who are busy at work.

        But by and large it still is not worth the cost and bother of replacing a PC with a Mac. I ddidnt have to worry about installing a browser at all. It went on with the O.S.

        But then again if for some reason I needed to do the same sort of online work, the prorpietary software written by many companies for some reason is not written for Macs most of the time.

        •  Check out the Intel-based MacMini (0+ / 0-)

          Single core $599
          Dual core $ 799

          Runs OS X, Windows, Linux with Apple's Boot Camp, but you have to reboot. Parallels allows seamless switching of OS's but it's in the early stages of development.

          If not now, when? When they come for you, then it will be too late. Shout it from the rooftops, take it to the streets.

          by tjfxh on Tue Jun 13, 2006 at 09:58:24 PM PDT

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  •  The only thing I like about IE (0+ / 0-)
    is that if I go to a newstory or essay, and I want to look at it later, I just "save" and end up with one simple file, no folders. When I open it a month later, the address bar has the original net address.

    Using any other browser gives me a folder with a whole bunch of files, one of which is the operative one, and when opened later, doesn't have the original address. It instead tells me where it is on my computer.

    So if I want to document the original address I have to make yet another file which has the URL.

    Does anyone know a way to make firefox, opera, safari, netscape--anything on the mac--save me one file with the original address? If I knew how I'd stop using IE in a heartbeat.

    Media has a monopoly on content. Bust the monopoly, good things happen.

    by Jim P on Tue Jun 13, 2006 at 08:05:44 PM PDT

    •  Yojimbo (0+ / 0-)

      Does anyone know a way to make firefox, opera, safari, netscape--anything on the mac--save me one file with the original address? If I knew how I'd stop using IE in a heartbeat.

      It saves web archives... plus lots more. There are several options, including bookmarks for archives or bookmarks within Yojimbo. It's not free but it's worth the $$$.

      •  Aren't Web Archieves (0+ / 0-)
        those loads and loads of files in a folder without giving me the original address. I know I can save a file with the address? Not a single file where later I just click on it and I get everything I originally saw (sans a few ads)

        But thanks, I'll give it a look-see. I know BBedit's other stuff and find it useful.

        Media has a monopoly on content. Bust the monopoly, good things happen.

        by Jim P on Tue Jun 13, 2006 at 10:56:45 PM PDT

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        •  It appears as a single file... (0+ / 0-)

          (window actually) in Yojimbo. You'd have to dig into the internal database to see all the individual files, you're not meant to.

          The original url is available via Yojimbo's inspector window.

          •  It's almost exactly the same... (0+ / 0-)

            as using the Internet Scrapbook in IE. I hadn't fired up IE in a long time.

            The only difference is the accessibility of the original url. In IE it's very obvious and clickable. In Yojimbo it's a comment in the Inspector window.

            •  Heh... (0+ / 0-)

              You've made me play with Yojimbo more than I had before. I'm posting this reply from within Yojimbo with all other browsers closed. All the links within the Archive are clickable.

              •  Thanks again (0+ / 0-)
                Your original post "Yojimbo" had me confused for a moment--it's my former e-mail name, and I was thinking "how did they know my former name and why are they calling me by it?" LOL

                Looks good, I'll play with the demo later today. Damned IE and the billionaire that made it!

                Media has a monopoly on content. Bust the monopoly, good things happen.

                by Jim P on Wed Jun 14, 2006 at 08:15:14 AM PDT

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  •  Interesting (0+ / 0-)

    It seems like on a relative (ratio) basis, MacIntosh is most blue.

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