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Here is the first MSM story that I have seen that is focused entirely on the controversial decision by Barbara Boxer to come to my state of CT to actively campaign for Joe Lieberman.

You may recall, it was Barbara Boxer who cluelessly asked an MSNBC reporter at Yearly Kos, "Why are you so focused on Lieberman?", as told by Jane Hamsher:

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By Frank Davies

Mercury News Washington Bureau

Sun, Jul. 16, 2006

WASHINGTON - Liberal activists, including some California Democrats, are furious with Sen. Barbara Boxer -- a leading critic of the Iraq war -- for her active support of Sen. Joe Lieberman, a Democrat who staunchly defends the war in Iraq.

Boxer, a California Democrat, said she decided to support Lieberman, and campaign for him in Connecticut, even though "we have no common ground surrounding the issue of the Iraq war."

Lieberman has been one of her "staunchest allies" on the environment and reproductive rights, two issues very important to her, Boxer said in a statement. "I will be campaigning with him to let the voters know about his record on those issues."

In the past week, hundreds of constituents have called or e-mailed her office to complain about her support for Lieberman. But Boxer told the Mercury News she is undeterred.

"Ever since I went into politics I fully expected there would be moments when some of my supporters would disagree with me," she said.

Gee, how "principled" of you babs, almost as "principled" as joe himself, eh?

Here is my favorite citation from this story, which captures the essence of this issue:

A mortgage broker in Topanga Canyon, Dorothy Reik, said Boxer's decision "shows she's part of that 'old boys' club' in the Senate, where some sort of personal loyalty overrides your principles."

The question is, is Boxer a true member of the family of all liberal Democrats, or is she an even truer member of some bizzaro world inside baseball dc beltway family that she has an even higher allegiance to?

It is almost as if Boxer and Lieberman belong to some unfathomable secret cult that transcends the principles that we ordinary Liberal Dems live our lives by -

If that is what OUR senate has become, we need to break that sh*t up!

It would be most nice if the now-nationally-famous Connecticut Bloggers' "Kiss" float showed up where Boxer was stumping for joe in CT, wouldn't it?

Originally posted to hartford for lamont on Sun Jul 16, 2006 at 03:39 PM PDT.


Should Boxer stump for joe in CT?

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  •  almost all things, almost all the time (6+ / 0-)

    On almost all issues, almost all the time, I find Senator Boxer doing what I would have done if I were senator.  I'm never going to find somebody I agree with 100% of the time, and especially not if I expect them to get elected.

    I think she's making a mistake on this one, but it doesn't mean I dislike her.

    •  I don't dislike her either (8+ / 0-)

      How could I dislike her after she sat right next to me and stuffed envelopes with other volunteers at her Hollywood campaign headquarters in 1991 and '92 during her first U.S. Senate campaign? As Ron Dellums said, simply, at an event for her during that campaign: "Barbara Boxer is a good person."

      But I'm extremely disappointed in her action here.

      And I find it ironic. Back in the '91-'92 campaign, she was an outsider and initially a huge underdog in the Democratic primary. Yet with the help of anti-war liberals (one of her opponents had voted for the first Iraq war), she mounted an idealistic, come-from-behind, victorious campaign. In my opinion, she's now turning her back on the same people who brought her to the Senate in the first place.

      A liberal is a conservative who's been hugged.

      by raatz on Sun Jul 16, 2006 at 03:56:37 PM PDT

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      •  day 500 - Iraq War Daily Grief Witness (1+ / 0-)
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        hi raatz

        I know that this diary is about Babara Boxer's support for Lieberman, but you mentioned the war (now occupation) in Iraq, and I'm sort of on a mission - as you probably know RubDNC has been posting an important and disturbing series called Iraq War Grief Daily Witness and today is day 500 in that series

        Iraq War Grief Daily Witness (photos) Day 500

        I know that 500 is only a number, but I'm hoping that 500 readers will recommend the 500th diary in the series - if not 500, well hundreds would be nice - so please folks, show Rub some love.

        (pardon my intrusion & please go back to your conversation about my favorite senator from California)


      •  is it 'compartmentalization'? (0+ / 0-)

        I am a big JFK history buff, and I remember a great video I saw about the JFK assassination that described the psychological act of "compartmentalization", where JFK had to simultaneously maintain two incompatible lines of thought "compartmentalized" in his mind to keep such thoughts from clashing -

        one JFK internal psychological line of thought was that the mob had helped him win the 1960 presidential race (the mob certainly seemed to think so); the other JFK internal psychological line of thought incompatible with that was that mob influence in America must be curtailed, thus Bobby Kennedy's quite ferocious prosecution of the mob and mob influence (like Hoffa) under JFK -

        JFK therefore had to "compartmentalize" (isolate) these two incompatible lines of thought in his mind, to keep such thoughts from constantly clashing -

        is that what boxer is similarly doing here with joe?

        •  Have no idea what's in her mind (0+ / 0-)

          but Daniel Ellsberg is reporting that she's sent s resolution to the Foreign Relations committee calling for the re-deployment of all American forces out of Iraq by December 31.  Presumably of this year.

          Forget "GOD, GUNS, GAYS, GIRLS & GETS"

          by hannah on Sun Jul 16, 2006 at 05:05:41 PM PDT

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      •  What is Barbara's favorite pie flavor? (0+ / 0-)

        Let's make sure that coconut cream, or vanilla custard, or meringue, or rasberry whatever it is is in good supply.

        and by the end of her "I'm a ProJoe babe!"trip to Connecticut, she can say "Gosh I am sure sick of those $#%@& pies...can we do another flavor?  or, is there someone else I should look at to support?" .

         Maybe it will take more than one to get the message across.

         a pie throw is about as expressive as you can get without being downright nasty, and overly violent...

        Call it Democratic bakery shop politics in action.

        Liberty! opportunity! security! That's the correct order. Let the Repubs tremble and wail. It's what they do best.

        by Pete Rock on Sun Jul 16, 2006 at 04:31:14 PM PDT

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        •  my thoughts exactly - (0+ / 0-)

          sometimes, it all comes down to pie time -

          the image of boxer dripping with a vanilla cream pie is magnificent,

          but, the "Kiss" float would be better, and safer.

        •  Really sad (2+ / 0-)
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          mjshep, BarbaraB

          a pie throw is about as expressive as you can get without being downright nasty, and overly violent...

          Sorry, I just don't agree. For instance, I think Biden's a bum, but I wouldn't throw baked goods at him. It's a reactionary stunt, and Boxer is not deserving of that.

          So you disagree with her. Contact her office. Tell her. Ask her what it would take for her to support Lamont?

          For me, what it comes down to is this: she is an excellent representative. She has stood up to this corrupt administration. I can't mind-read; I have no idea why she is doing this, but I am wagering that she has her reasons. Maybe Joementum stood up for her in a tough spot. I don't really expect her to tell me why, if it's some private reason. She knows many Democrats and Kossacks are unhappy with her stand.

          Barbara Boxer is not in the same category of people I think deserve a pie: Coulter, Limbaugh, Savage, O'Reilly. The woman is not a cartoon. You're free to say whatever you want to, but if some Lamont supporter or Lieberman-hater figured "I'll show her!" by slamming her with a pie, I'm not the only one here who would think it was the action of a juvenile fuck.

          •  yes, but (0+ / 0-)

            She has stood up to this corrupt administration.

            yes, but, now she is gonna come to CT to support one of this corrupt administration's most conspicuous war whores, so what does that make boxer now?

            hmmm, I like that, "war whore"...

            •  picket to your heart's content (0+ / 0-)

              Let her know you are unhappy and why. I have no problem with that. And I still don't think it makes Boxer a DINO or an untouchable for Democrats. My opinion.

              My own humble suggestion, though, would be that protesters of Boxer be respectful. You can make your point to her without treating her like she was garbage.  And she is more likely to listen, and bystanders are more likely to see the Lamont support as serious but not hate-filled leftwing extremists. I don't think you are, but think of how best to represent Lamont when you  address Boxer.

              I wish she wouldn't do this, myself. She must have really strong reasons to go ahead and do it anyway.

              •  her reasons are bizzaro world ! (1+ / 0-)
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                boxer is NOT a dino, but she IS doing something very very wierd here with joe, something very very wierd which gives us some precious rare insight into the alternate parallel bizzaro world universe that our senate must be -

                again, my preference for boxer is for the CT Blogger Kiss float truck to show up when & where barbara stumps for joe in CT -

                here it is (scroll down the page a bit):


                she'll get the message, I am sure.

          •  Virtual pie or humble pie? (0+ / 0-)

            Yes, Barbara is one of the good guys I agree....who asked ( and very few did) for votes to be counted after the travesty of electronic insecure counting...

            If she does show up, she should be challenged as to why she backs a Bush Backer and someone who has the knives out in public for Democrats (Dean, Clark come to mind). the bit about calculating how to dump the Party if the primary election is lost shows disrespect for democracy....

             It is Joe's record, actions and words that incited this challenge and reassesment of his value as a politician and representative of the Democratic Party.

              Which is the whole point of a primary challenge and a verdict by Democrats on the worth of Lieberman.

            Perhaps Barbara will taste a little humble pie.  Joe obviously is way way too good for us and elevated to do that.

            Liberty! opportunity! security! That's the correct order. Let the Repubs tremble and wail. It's what they do best.

            by Pete Rock on Mon Jul 17, 2006 at 06:18:47 AM PDT

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      •  Sigh (0+ / 1-)
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        So now I guess the fringe left is going to turn against Boxer because she doesn't march in lock-step with the legions of the extremists who live in Berkeley?

    •  I love boxer too - (3+ / 0-)
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      raatz, grayscale, ejbr

      I love boxer too, but this "clubby" lieberman "thing" she evidently has is just so wierd!

      nevertheless, she must be made to feel some serious heat for this, that is the democratic way...

    •  With you on this, Silence (0+ / 0-)

      Yeah, I'm not happy with her shilling for "Wholly"* Joe, but she's been with us on so many issues, I give her a Get Out of Jail Free card for this one --especially since those in Connecticut who like Boxer HATE Joe no matter what Babs says.

      *as in "a wholly own subsidiary of the energy industry"

    •  Unless Barbara Boxer is Coming to our State (2+ / 0-)
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      BarbaraB, hartford for lamont

      to get her free "Kiss Button", which I will hand to her personally no matter the reason she's here ,I suggest she reconsider.

      by ctkeith on Sun Jul 16, 2006 at 07:42:02 PM PDT

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  •  and if you enjoyed my poll above - (5+ / 0-)

    and if you enjoyed my poll above, then please don't forget to recommend this diary!


  •  She's my Senator (5+ / 0-)

    And I've always been able to count on her. I truly am disappointed in her support of Lieberman. I must write to her.

    It is a great danger for everyone when what is shocking changes. ~Graham Greene

    by Liberaljentaps on Sun Jul 16, 2006 at 03:52:26 PM PDT

    •  firedoglake folks have been recommending - (2+ / 0-)
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      grayscale, oscarsmom

      the firedoglake folks, both the writers and the commenters there, have done quite an admirable job of calling boxer's various offices, sending boxer faxes, etc.

      FYI, the firedoglake folks have been recommending to either send boxer faxes or else make phone calls, but NOT to send e-mails -

      evidently, e-mails just don't seem to get anyone's attention like faxes and phone calls do.

  •  I took myself off her email list (2+ / 0-)
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    ejbr, hartford for lamont
    It isn't as if I will vote Republican when she's up for re-election, but she has undone all the good of Ohio protest and glomming onto the Kerry-Feingold resolution.

    "The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again, but already it was impossible to say which was which."

    by Lefty the playwright on Sun Jul 16, 2006 at 03:54:26 PM PDT

  •  I'll give her (4+ / 0-)
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    Aexia, Abou Ben Adhem, mjshep, SFJen

    the benefit of the doubt for the primary -- she's supporting a Senate colleague.

    It's what happens in the general that counts...if Lamont wins, I hope she'll support him just as much...

    •  party hacks - (1+ / 0-)
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      I would give some slack to joe biden and harry reid and even chuck schumer for their support of joe lieberman; after all, they are just typical beltway power broker party hacks -

      but, we had always thought of boxer in loftier terms than that however, somehow setting her above all that beltway party power broker hackery crap -

      this kills that, as far as I am concerned.

  •  I am still unsure what to think (1+ / 0-)
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    Abou Ben Adhem

    Part of me is furious that she would stump for Joe when I KNOW she completely understands why Joe is in the predicament he is in. Another part of me thinks she has the unfortunate choice of stumping for someone she secretly hopes loses. If he is a strong advocate of her pet causes and he can win the campaign with or without her, he could make her life miserable. Also, there may be Lieberman allies that she can get in good with by stumping for Lieberman's losing campaign.

    Besides Feingold, she is my favorite Senator. She stood up for us Dems in Ohio and that goes a very (very, very) long way in my book.

    If Congress treats Bush's shredding of the consitution as inconsequential, then we'll give them an insurgency they soon won't forget.

    by ejbr on Sun Jul 16, 2006 at 04:08:46 PM PDT

    •  strong advocate of pet causes...? (2+ / 0-)
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      ejbr, BarbaraB

      I think it is your second hypothesis: "he could make her
      life miserable". Just following the campaign at Firedoglake
      has revealed to me a lot of nastiness in Mr. Lieberman, of the
      "kicking ankles under the table while sighing and shaking head sadly" kind. According to the experts he has already made Conn. Dem. House candidates' life miserable (see e.g. Jane Hamsher's recent blog post at Huff.Post).

      And I'm not so sure he is such a staunch advocate of B.B's pet causes. Where women's reproductive rights are concerned, there is his vote on Alito and his incredibly callous remark, advising rape victims to take a hike to the next hospital if they want emergency contraception. I am not so sure about his envir. record, as I'm following this from an armchair in Germany. But I do seem to recall (from the Huff.Post) that it is not that satisfactory  any more.

      So what does he have on Barbara Boxer that she can't just make polite noises but has to actually join his campaign? Or, what is there in it for her?

      A dog's a dog; a Cat is a Cat. (T.S. Eliot)

      by bfa on Sun Jul 16, 2006 at 04:35:25 PM PDT

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  •  I wouldn't care so much (4+ / 0-)

    if Lieberman weren't threatening to run as an Indy.

    •  you mean spoiler (0+ / 0-)

      lieberman won't be running as an independent - there's already an official independent candidate and a green in the race.  plus a couple of petitioning candidates.

      lieberman will be running as the sole representative of the connecticut for lieberman party.

      politics is a war of ideas; those who do not embrace this are no realists

      by zeke L on Sun Jul 16, 2006 at 05:21:22 PM PDT

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  •  Boxer's overrated (2+ / 0-)
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    alizard, grayscale

    I never quite got why some hero worshipers here held her up as some sort of idol. And her shilling for the entertainment industry has just been vulger. That she'd be so willing to defend Joementum hardly surprises me. She's an insider first, and a reliable liberal second.

    Anyone who voted against the patriot act is too good for the Senate

    Feingold for President

    by Goldfish on Sun Jul 16, 2006 at 04:31:54 PM PDT

  •  Well (0+ / 0-)

    So will now Boxer be hated as much as Dianne Feinstein because she's not doing the bidding of the radical left 100% of the time? So, because she is supporting Lieberman, does this now make her the antichirst even though she agrees with what the posters on this board want more than 90% of the time?

    •  Radical of you (5+ / 0-)

      to impute that disagreeing with a incumbent endorsement is "radical Left".  You should get that reflex looked after. You're going to kick over your computer stand.

      I'm still a Boxer fan, myself, but I think she's making a mistake she will regret.

      And as for the support on women's issues, that is not something I think can reasonably be said of Rape Gurney Joe.

      Before you win, you have to fight. Come fight along with us at TexasKaos.

      by boadicea on Sun Jul 16, 2006 at 04:37:39 PM PDT

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      •  boxer is as clueless as joe - (1+ / 0-)
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        I'm still a Boxer fan, myself, but I think she's making a mistake she will regret.

        yep; boxer is as clueless as joe was about the netroots; there was a time not long ago when joementum was on hannity on fox, yucking it up about a new website in CT called "" -

        the rest is history; now you don't even see joe on hannity -

        the fact that boxer was caught completely off-guard at Yearly Kos when she was asked about joe speaks heaps to how clueless boxer is about the netroots -

        •  She's not alone in that. (3+ / 0-)
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          Aexia, BarbaraB, hartford for lamont

          Remember, this netroots movement has blossomed incredibly quickly.

          Beltway Dems, even the best of them, are not used to the kind of aggregate interaction with constituents that this particular platform allows us.

          We're still learning what we can do. It's not surprising they're a little behind the curve.

          Incumbents will tend to support incumbents. That's the way the club is.

          If and when Senator Boxer does show up, I hope she gets a pointed, but not rude message that she's made an error.

          Before you win, you have to fight. Come fight along with us at TexasKaos.

          by boadicea on Sun Jul 16, 2006 at 05:33:51 PM PDT

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    •  90% of the time... (4+ / 0-)
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      Do you mean the same kind of "90% of the time" that Lieberman claims to vote with the Democrats?  

      Abandoning your constituents and your party on the meaty issues, while voting with them on mundane stuff that doesn't carry weight is a more important fact to think about than quoting percentiles I think.

  •  What did you expect (1+ / 0-)
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    Did you expect Boxer to support Ned Lamont? It wasn't going to happen. She's not going to turn against Lieberman unless he molests children, kills someone, or does something extremely horrendous like that.

    •  oh come on! (2+ / 0-)
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      raatz, grayscale

      Did you expect Boxer to support Ned Lamont?

      oh come on, you know what we are saying here;

      boxer has plenty of other options than to just run to CT to campaign for rape gurney joe, as jane hamsher likes to call him -

      by actively campaigning for joe, boxer is providing cover for joe's bad sh*t, just like joe provides cover for bush's bad sh*t -

      what we have here is the lieberman cancer spreading to boxer.

  •  Well, now that you mention it..... (1+ / 0-)
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    If that is what OUR senate has become, we need to break that sh*t up!

    Yes, it has, and yes, we do.

    "Same shit, Different Nixon." - Driftglass

    by roxtar on Sun Jul 16, 2006 at 04:34:47 PM PDT

  •  Let's just win the primary, (1+ / 0-)
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    zeke L

    Then see what happens. If she refuses to support the
    primary winner, do whatever needs to be done.
    But for now, focus on the primary.

  •  First Rule (1+ / 0-)
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    zeke L

    The first rule of bizzaro world inside baseball dc beltway family, is that you do not speak about bizzaro world inside baseball dc beltway family.

    "Murrow had a child. The damn thing went wild." -- Fleetwood Mac
    (-8.63), (-7.03)

    by Perdition on Sun Jul 16, 2006 at 05:04:50 PM PDT

  •  none of the selections in your poll fit (0+ / 0-)

    we should "pie" her if she supports Lieberman? Six months ago everyone LOVED her, now, she sucks?

    If you campaign for Lieberman you arent a "true Liberal Dem"? More purity tests?

    She's bird of a perverse feather if she campaigns for Lieberman?

    Give me a break, I wouldnt vote for Lieberman, I hope he loses and never enters politics again, but I think it the height of silly to go after Boxer whom most on here have agreed has had a pretty darn good track record all around since in office.

    •  well, (1+ / 0-)
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      well, over on firedoglake I saw a LOT of CA people truly outraged about this -

      we have americans dying in iraq FOR NOTHING, we have americans losing their limbs and losing their eyesight in iraq FOR NOTHING, and boxer, who opposes the bush iraq adventure bigtime, nevertheless has to come to CT to campaign for this piece of sh*t?

      sorry, but screw her!

  •  Vive la difference (2+ / 0-)
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    BarbaraB, hartford for lamont

    This is what the MSM does not get:

    We hate Holy Joe not ONLY because of the one issue of the war, but because his stance on that is part of a larger pattern.  THAT is why we will not forgive and he must be removed from office.

    Just compare that to people's reactions here to Boxer's support of HoJo.  Most are willing to forgive her BECAUSE it is a deviation from the mostly liberal norm.

    It has nothing to do with voting percentages or cr*p like that that distorts the reality of the situation.

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