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Sebelius continues to lead the revitalization of her state's Democratic Party.

Gov. Kathleen Sebelius has banked nearly $2.1 million as she awaits the winner of the Aug. 1 Republican Party primary.

The three leading Republican hopefuls in a field of seven have spent a combined total of approximately $600,000 this year.

And in the attorney general's race, newly converted Democrat Paul Morrison has $764,839 on hand for his November general election matchup against Republican incumbent Phill Kline, who had $418,492.

"Sebelius has successfully split the Republican Party in Kansas," said Bob Beatty, political science professor at Washburn University.

"The divide between the moderates and conservatives has just become stark with the phenomenon of Kathleen Sebelius," he said.

And she is a phenomenon. First elected because of the split in the state's Republican Party between moderates and the "evolution didn't happen" loons, Sebelius wasn't content to serve out her term. Instead, she's tirelessly worked to bring over those disenchanted moderates over to the Democratic side (including a former state chair of the Republican Party). In a state that was hopelessly Republican just a short four years ago, she has methodically made the case for the Democratic Party and worked to win new converts. It's nothing short of remarkable.

Sebelius is a rock star, and my favorite for the veep nod in 2008.

On the web: Kathleen Sebelius

Originally posted to Daily Kos on Tue Jul 25, 2006 at 11:39 AM PDT.

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  •  Yeah, but (21+ / 0-)

    if she's VP, she isn't in Kansas.  Wouldn't it be better if she stays there for a while?

    -2.75, -3.90 -- Please don't eat the moderates.

    by iCaroline on Tue Jul 25, 2006 at 11:34:48 AM PDT

    •  agreed (4+ / 0-)

      Agreed 100%.  Why VP?  It's not like she's going to carry Kansas.  Better to let her work her magic where she is.

      •  Never Assume (8+ / 0-)

        You say "she's not going to carry Kansas", but - Kansas went for LBJ. Kansas HAS a Dem Guv (and (hint, hint): She's Popular! I've been involved with Ks politics for nearly 40 years, and Gov Kathy is the best of a recent batch-o-Dem-Guvs.  In the 60s & 70s, Robert Docking served multiple terms. Then in the 70s & 80's, we had John Carlin and Joan Finney. Now Kathleen. She's a Class Act, smart, prepared and forward-looking. It would be a loss for Kansas, but the nation as a whole would benefit, IMHO.

        •  The thing we have to overcome (2+ / 0-)
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          here in Kansas is an irrational hatred of all things "liberal" and "Democratic."  Since the 90's the Republicans have run a very good campaign to make "liberal" a dirty word, and it has worked in spades -- and here, especially so.

          It would be extremely unlikely that Kansas will go Democratic in 08.  Not impossible, but just almost.  

          I'd love to see it, though!

          •  Liberal (4+ / 0-)
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            How do the people in Liberal, Kansas cope with this problem? I have driven through the town a couple of times, and I didn't see anyone who seemed full of self hate because of where they live. More seriously, how did the town come to get its name? (By the way, I think much of Kansas is really beautiful.)

            •  Which Town? Kansas has more than one you know (0+ / 0-)

              I've spent time in Kansas.

              Wondering what town you're talking about.

              If its KC, there's plenty of self hate. You just got to know how to ask the question right.

              Wichita and places like Great Bend are altogether more copecetic.

            •  Liberal has an old history. (5+ / 0-)

              The year was 1872 and western Kansas consisted of mile after mile of waving prairie grasslands and one large, flowering river. Settlers traveling west on the Santa Fe, Jones and Plummer, and western cattle trails simply passed through thinking this area "uninhabitable". But one undaunted man, making his way west, did stop and settle. Mr. S.S. Rogers was the first homesteader in what would later become Liberal. Outside of the Cimarron River, water was very scarce in Southwestern Kansas and there was usually a charge for even a small amount; howerver Mr. Rogers always gave his water free to passing travelers. Quite often he would hear a reply of "that's mighty Liberal of you" from the grateful recipients.

              By 1885 Mr. Rogers had opened a general store and the government established an official Post Office. It seemed only natural to call the new town "LIBERAL".

              From here.

              Not the right sort of liberal, I'll wager....

          •  I agree (1+ / 0-)
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            there is little chance of this state turning blue in '08. Most of these new "democrats" are republicans on the national scale. The Taliban right in KS have just pushed them over the edge in local politics...

        •  It's possible... (2+ / 0-)
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          ...but i'll have to agree with Marc in KS here - it's pretty unlikely.  Then again, I never thought that any of this sea change in Kansas politics would ever happen, either.  

          I actually know a lot of people who ditched their Republican registration after the last evolution kerfuffle, but most of them "couldn't stomach being listed as a Democrat" (my grandfather's words.)  So, most comfort themselves by registering (I).  I suppose they presumably may vote Democrat, but it's just such a dirty word back there.

          Politics is like driving. To go backward, put it in R. To go forward, put it in D. -- TrueBlueMajority

          by gkn on Tue Jul 25, 2006 at 02:31:49 PM PDT

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      •  Why not presidential material in 2008? (7+ / 0-)

        She has more executive experience than John Edwards, and if she is elected to a second term, she will have as much experience as Warner by 2008, she is a D.C. outsider (not another Senator from the NE), from a red state, with a proven track record of being able to convert moderate repubs.  As far as I'm concerned with credentials like that, she's WAY more electable than any of the Senators and D.C. insiders who have expressed an interest, including Hillary and Feingold.

        •  Agreed: A women, from Kansas no less (5+ / 0-)

          The freepers would be overjoyed that 'the women' wasn't Hilary that they might vote for her out of spite and relief for hilary.

          She would pull in some more of the plains and mountain states. She would, in short, drive a huge wedge right through the Republican heartland.

        •  Absolutely (2+ / 0-)
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          Govs are much better positioned than senators. Sebelius could really unify the Nation, Progressives & Moderates. She also has the Leadership skills most DC Dems lack. I could see her punch in Jan 09 and get right to work repairing the damage of the Bush Junta. Another Gov that stands out is Montana's Brian Schweitzer. The Man is a Leader and an Alternative Energy Expert.

          "One travels far in search of happiness, and returns home to find it."

          by DoubleBarrellBunnyAnger on Tue Jul 25, 2006 at 07:10:03 PM PDT

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        •  But can she withstand the attacks? (0+ / 0-)

          My only concern about Sebelius for President is whether she can withstand the Karl Rove slime machine. She doesn't have any experience facing these attacks on the national stage.  

      •  does it really matter, though? (0+ / 0-)

        The ability to carry a particular geographic constituency is only one possible consideration in the selection of a vice-presidential candidate. While most VPs have carried their home states in recent years, I don't think it should be the only factor. If she can reach out to moderates elsewhere in the Great Plains or the Midwest, Sebelius might be a good choice.

    •  Exactly (5+ / 0-)

      That Kansas Dem Magic would wither up and die without her.

      Let her keep going.

      Thinking men can not be ruled. --Ayn Rand

      by Wisper on Tue Jul 25, 2006 at 11:45:43 AM PDT

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    •  Leave her alone! (0+ / 0-)

      The next VP needs to be the Anti-Cheney -- in other words, the First Lady needs to be a more influential figure...

      to pull sebelius is roll back all the progress she's made

      Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect -- Mark Twain.

      by dcrolg on Tue Jul 25, 2006 at 11:53:00 AM PDT

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    •  It would be hugely (4+ / 0-)

      better were she to stay here.

      The revolution is not yet complete.  Taking her away would delay it by many years...

    •  That applies (1+ / 0-)
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      to all of the popular red state governors. Instead of talking about their presidential/vice presidential potential, we should be encouraging them to stay right where they are. We have likely future dem senators in Kansas, Oklahoma, Arizona, Wyoming, and Montana.

    •  Some history -- why she's needed in Kansas (0+ / 0-)

      Kansas is the Demcratic Party's longest losing streak and worst overall record in the nation for US Senate -- the last time a Democrat was elected to the Senate from Kansas was 1932 (George McGill's re-election following his entrance to the Senate in a 1930 special election), meaning that it is 68 years since a Democrat last served in the Senate from Kansas.  McGill lost his second re-election bid in 1938, and three subsequent attempts at a comeback.

      In fact, only two other Democrats besides McGill have ever represented Kansas in the Senate; one for only part of a term.

      Getting a Democratic US Senator in Kansas for me is the acid test of party building.

    •  No. (0+ / 0-)

      She'll be in her last term anyway.  So it doesn't make sense to argue that she oughta stay there to be most useful.  To the contrary, it's the perfect time for her to leave.

      Clark/Sebelius 2008

      by nocore on Wed Jul 26, 2006 at 12:38:26 AM PDT

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  •  Edwards/Sebelius '08 (9+ / 0-)

    It might quiet the crowd that's for Hilary, with a woman as VP, and she would help draw votes from the prairie.  

    I think that's a pretty powerful matchup.

  •  You Go Girl... (4+ / 0-)
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    We cannot say "What's the matter with Kansas" anymore.  I hope this continues throughout the "heartland".  

    Thanks for the update Kos

    "A child miseducated is a child lost" John F. Kennedy

    by Pam from Calif on Tue Jul 25, 2006 at 11:35:57 AM PDT

  •  My question is/// (4+ / 0-)
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    Would her being on the ticket put states like Kansas in play? My thought is that while she might not help carry states like Kansas, she'd help win over people in more moderate places like Virginia, Ohio(where she's originally from) and Iowa.

    What do you guys think?

  •  It just feels good something nice about a Kansan! (4+ / 0-)
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    Sebelius or as we say in Kansas (like we really know her personally,) Kathleen, is great.  I'd love it if she ran with Edwards (or anyone else for V.P.

    Eat 4 Today: Defeating Republicans through diet and exercise!

    by katiebird on Tue Jul 25, 2006 at 11:38:21 AM PDT

  •  The Repub Media Is So Terribly Confused (16+ / 0-)

    About why we (and I mean Kos, most of us, and me) support some Dems who also appeal to them, and not others. For example Jim Webb and Kathleen Sebelius make the grade while Joe and Hill don't.

    They just don't get it. We like effective executives who are out to do good things and as importantly, stop bad things. Not pols who are out for themselves or out for a group that is not large enough to include innocents the world over, the very poor in this country, or the uncharged and untried caught up in the Inquisition of the presumably muslim.

    9/11 + 4 Years = Katrina... Conservatism Kills.

    by NewDirection on Tue Jul 25, 2006 at 11:38:59 AM PDT

  •  Science-Haters (4+ / 0-)
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    the "evolution didn't happen" loons

    I'd say "just not to them," but that'd be an insult to every other primate on the planet. (Thanks for the laugh, kos!)

  •  Wow (0+ / 0-)

    I am so surprised to hear Kos say this.  

    I love Sebelius, and I'd love to see her on the ticket in the future.  But I definitely think 2008 is the most important race the Democrats have ever run and to weaken the ticket with a female in the Veep slot is just too risky.

    We will most likely still be at war in 2008.  I'm not sure America is ready to elect a female under the best of circumstances, but under these conditions I think this could be disastrous.  

    Do I feel this way?  Absolutely not.  But I do think the majority of the country would not react well to a female in office during a time of war.

    "But your flag decal won't get you into heaven anymore"--Prine Pay attention Georgie - 2550+ dead Americans. Jesus Christ, make it stop already.

    by Miss Blue on Tue Jul 25, 2006 at 11:39:32 AM PDT

    •  We DEFINITELY need a woman and/or a racial (2+ / 0-)
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      minority on the ticket in 2008. All this running two rich white guys is for the birds. We have to define the identity of the party.

    •  Risky not to (6+ / 0-)

      First, I predict the republicans are going to run a woman on the ticket in 2008. I think it will be Condoleezza Rice. I think their strategy will be to deflect negatives away from their nominee and their party's policies this way. The talk will be about her being a woman or her being the first black woman — and try to invoke their "Party of Lincoln" tactic.

      Second, which war do you write of?

      •  I think you give the republicans too much (2+ / 0-)
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        credit and sensibility.  No way these racist, sexist, power-hungry jerks are going to let a black 'girl' run for president.  Even if it is Condi.  Their minds just could not cope with such a paradigm shift.  Not only that, but they would risk alienating their base in a big way.

        "Silflay hraka u embleer rah!" --Bigwig

        by Reepicheep on Tue Jul 25, 2006 at 12:03:51 PM PDT

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        •  Hillary defense plan (1+ / 0-)
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          I think running Rice on the ticket as VP may be the republicans strategy if Hillary Clinton is the Democratic nominee. If Clinton some how manages to snooker the early primary voters to get the early lead, watch the republicans answer with a woman on the ticket for the VP slot. The moderate and corporate republicans want Clinton to run 2008, but the republians will need to counter her with another woman on their ticket.

          •  If it's a woman, and the R's don't lose the Sen. (1+ / 0-)
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            If it's a woman and the Republicans don't lose the Senate in '06 then Liddy Dole might get selected.  She has a lot of things on her resume that look good (Red Cross) and she seems to fit the attack dog role better than Condi would (the Republicans first rule in the modern era is that the VP must serve as the attack dog, which is why Dan Quayle was less of a liability than he seemed in '92 from political terms).  Other candidates to keep an eye on include Kay Bailey Hutchinson, or possibly Jodi Rell (in the unlikely event that the Republicans want to try to make the Dems play defense in New England).  But Condi just doesn't bring enough to the table (not an attack dog, no geographical advantage, never run in an election, Bush inside which will be important if McCain is the nominee and runs a "return to normalcy" type campaign, etc.).

            "An army of principles can penetrate where an army of soldiers cannot." - Thomas Paine

            by Mister Gloom on Tue Jul 25, 2006 at 03:14:13 PM PDT

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        •  Are the WASPs really going to let Condi run? (1+ / 0-)
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          Realpolitik

          I feel like we don't really know what's going on amongst the movers and shakers of the GOP.

          I think about this with the fall of Tom Delay.  I know it's popular to think it's the legal troubles, but I ain't buying that the old line GOP establishment didn't think it could protect Delay and keep him in power.

          Given that assumption, and we are seeing a split of egos or something in the upper echelons, Condi may be allowed to run.

          Otherwise, we ain't going to see a Black woman at the head of that Party's ticket in my children's lifetime -- too many Cigar smoking CEO's and tire-kicken good 'ol boys who only see black women working in kitchens, when they actually go into kitchens.

          I'm just sayin...

          •  Chevron Oil Tanker Condoleezza Rice (0+ / 0-)

            From OpenSecrets:

            What’s a girl gotta do to get a 130,000-ton oil tanker named after her? Ask Condi Rice. She so charmed Chevron’s board of directors that they named one of the company’s tankers after her. In addition to sitting on Chevron’s board, Rice was also a director at two other multinationals—brokerage firm Charles Schwab and insurance company Transamerica Corp.

            Rice is corporate America. The republicans need her. She provides them cover for their harmful policies.

            •  I agree partialy... (0+ / 0-)

              Rice is corporate America. The republicans need her. She provides them cover for their harmful policies.

              Good point.  I can see that.

              However.  This is a woman who, if I remember correctly, wanted to be the next commissioner of the NFL until drafted by GB II.  Given her background I think she is her own woman.

              I think the behavior we see in her now is more of a sycophant, and not of a puppet.

              As THE executive, I think she'd want to be The Executive.

              And that's where I part ways here, I think.

              The first time she doesn't say "Thanks for naming the tanker after me boys.  Now what can I do for you..." the money for her campaign will go to another WASP.

        •  No, they'll rationalize Condi running... (1+ / 0-)
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          ....by saying she's not one of "them".  

          (By them, of course, I mean one of those radical uppity n-words.  That's what they fear - Jesse Jackson, Maxine Waters, Barack Obama, and other people who just don't know their place!  

          Same for gubernatorial candidates Ken Blackwell and Lynn Swann, and Senate candidates Steele and Florida's new candidate, ALAN KEYES!)

          9-11 changed everything? Well, Katrina changed it back.

          by varro on Tue Jul 25, 2006 at 12:58:09 PM PDT

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          •  My thoughts on Condi running (2+ / 0-)
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            Not that anybody cares...

            My thought on Condi is that she will run and get a LOT of positive publicity from the Corporate Media.  Every Republican talking head out there will be gushing, “See, we’re not racist and sexist, we have a woman running for president, and she's black!  And, look here, the librul New York Times says that she is a first tier contender with McCain, Giuliani, Frist, Allen and Hagel.  See, see, we’re not racists!”

            She will run in a few primaries and finish in 3rd or 4th place a few times and the Corporate Media will orgasm over her 8-10% showings before she drops out of her “historic” run for president.  (the media will conveniently forget Carol Moseley Braun...)

            She is NOT a serious contender, however.  It is part of a long-term GOP strategy to siphon off a few points of the African American vote here and there, like the gay marriage issue in 2004.  The powers that be in the GOP know that those poor, rural white southerners that vote GOP because of moral values would either stay home, or vote Democrat, if a single black woman was on the ticket.

      •  Pick one. (0+ / 0-)

        We have several - it's a multiple choice question.  And it proves my point.

        I just don't think America will put a woman in charge in a time of war.  Frankly, I don't think we'd do it if all was peaches and cream, but now, with half the freakin planet ready to blow, no way.

        "But your flag decal won't get you into heaven anymore"--Prine Pay attention Georgie - 2550+ dead Americans. Jesus Christ, make it stop already.

        by Miss Blue on Tue Jul 25, 2006 at 12:28:09 PM PDT

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      •  It's Condi, for sure (0+ / 0-)

        That's why they keep pushing her into the forefront.  That's why she's in the ME right now.  She gets all the airtime these days (at least she can speak without smirking!).  

        I don't think the Repugs are so disturbed about race/gender--all they want is the loot!  If she's the way to do it, well, then, she's their gal.

        Remember, if the R's can get 10-20% of the Black vote, well, there's no tomorrow for the rest of us.  Not for at least one generation.  And they'll do anything to make that happen.  Well, not anything--not providing health care for children or the elderly, or public education.  

        But they will certainly stand behind Condi if it means they still are able to suck from the trough (how the heck do you spell that work, anyway???_

        "Do your best, and keep your sense of humor."--My Mom

        by mainely49 on Tue Jul 25, 2006 at 01:46:23 PM PDT

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      •  not going to happen (0+ / 0-)

        >>First, I predict the republicans are going to run a woman on the ticket in 2008. I think it will be Condoleezza Rice.<<</p>

        Would you be willing to bet on it?  She's part of the face of the Iraq war, a Bush insider (the Republicans biggest hope in '08 is to make everyone forget Bush), has never run in an election before, and offers little geographical advantage.

        More damaging yet is the fact that she isn't an attack dog as every Republican campaign has their VP for an attack dog:

        1. Agnew
        1. Dole
        1. Bush Sr. (remember his debate with Ferraro, albeit he was more a "statesman" than the ones before)
        1. Quayle
        1. Chaney (both an attack dog and a statemen to calm fears about Bush's lack of foreign policy experience in 2000).

        She hasn't show the killer instinct that the previous 5 have.  So there is very, very little chance that the Republicans pick her for VP.  And Cabinet secretaries just don't make the leap to Presidential nominee, especially when they've never been a candidate before.

        "An army of principles can penetrate where an army of soldiers cannot." - Thomas Paine

        by Mister Gloom on Tue Jul 25, 2006 at 03:05:10 PM PDT

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    •  WOW (1+ / 0-)
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      "to weaken the ticket with a female in the Veep slot is just too risky."

      If a man said this, he would rightly be called a sexist.  

      •  I agree. (0+ / 0-)

        It is sexist.  No question.  And as a female, it pains me greatly to think it HAS to be said, in 2006, in America.  But that's the way I see this country.  

        "But your flag decal won't get you into heaven anymore"--Prine Pay attention Georgie - 2550+ dead Americans. Jesus Christ, make it stop already.

        by Miss Blue on Tue Jul 25, 2006 at 12:25:50 PM PDT

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      •  Not the smartest statement... (0+ / 0-)

        I agree with poster's above.

        I'd vote for her at the top of the ticket.  And in reality, the last President who was also a Senator was what, Ford?  And he came in through succession.

        Governors are the one's who have a grasp on Executive campaigns.  She'd make a great Presidential candidate, and I'd love to see her try to take what she did in Kansas to the voters of America.

        She did it there, I'll give her the benefit of the doubt that she can do it across America.

        That said, 2008 is too soon, sadly -- I agree with those who say we need her in Kansas.

        I do hope she is being groomed for the top of the ticket.

      •  The comment isn't what the poster (2+ / 0-)
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        believes- I think- but what she feels that voters will believe. I don't necessarily agree with it, but the argument isn't sexist.

        Fear is not a winning strategy.

        by bruh1 on Tue Jul 25, 2006 at 12:39:34 PM PDT

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        •  Absolutely. (0+ / 0-)

          Providing the topic of gender up for discussion isn'r sexist. Those voting against her based on her lacking certain parts, that part is the sexist part.

          I for one think Sebelius'd do great things!

          The "middle of the road" is where the chickens get run over.
          -8.13, -4.15

          by Eddie in ME on Tue Jul 25, 2006 at 01:09:05 PM PDT

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        •  yes, it really is sexist (0+ / 0-)

          sorry, no fighting spirit today and not in the mood to argue, but it really is sexist.  Perhaps someone else will come along and explain why.

          •  not interested in hearing an explaination (0+ / 0-)

            basically by your way of thinking and theirs- the mere mention of the reality that some other people are racists, or homophobic or sexists means the messenger are those things. she saying it will be tougher- on that neither you or anyone else who wants a woman to seriously win should deny the thinking of what voters believe. does that mean we shouldn't try? no, but saying that say harold ford shouldnt realize race will be a factor in his efforts to become a senator is a dangerous thing. denying reality doesn't make it any less real. admitting to it doesn't mean you can't change it.

            Fear is not a winning strategy.

            by bruh1 on Tue Jul 25, 2006 at 03:04:47 PM PDT

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    •  That's playing not to lose... (1+ / 0-)
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      ...are you in Bob Schrum's office?

      Sebelius is one of the better governors in the U.S. (Point 1) and she has helped smack down the knuckle-dragging Rethugs, especially on evolution (Point 2).

      Let the best people rise to the top in 2008.  I don't want safe, hedged-bet picks for VP like Lieberman (choke, gag, puke) that won't work anyway.  I want a masterful, aggressive VP candidate who will complement the nominee and articulate his/her policies on the campaign trail, not a milquetoast cowtowing to the Rethug's conservative hitperson.

      9-11 changed everything? Well, Katrina changed it back.

      by varro on Tue Jul 25, 2006 at 12:52:47 PM PDT

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      •  Feingold (0+ / 0-)

        I"ve been pushing Feingold for 3 years, so I'm hardly in the playing-not-to-lose camp.

        This election is important.  A sense of reality is called for no matter how idealistic we are.

        I am a female.  You think I'm not aware of the sexist attitudes still in this country?  In fact, women are as bad as men when it comes to female Presidential candidates and the war thing.  

        You can spin almost anything these days, but it's pretty friggen hard to spin your gender.

        Most on this site are fairly enlightened and progressive.  Not so the majority of voters.  Christ, the Repubs made Kerry and Cleland look like wimps, what do you think they'd do to a female?

        I make an exception for Condi and Hilary, as I think they are viewed a little differently.  Hilary has other negatives as we're all aware, and I'd bet everything I own the Repubs wouldn't run Condi, unless Hilary was the Dem candidate.  And even then I think it's a longshot.

        Be aware I don't agree with this sexist notion - I just think it's a reality.

        "But your flag decal won't get you into heaven anymore"--Prine Pay attention Georgie - 2550+ dead Americans. Jesus Christ, make it stop already.

        by Miss Blue on Tue Jul 25, 2006 at 01:06:39 PM PDT

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  •  Warner / Sebelius (3+ / 0-)
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    mihan, jj32, dpinzow

    I am of the opinion that Warner / Sebelius '08 would be a dream ticket for the Dems.  

    I'd like to see Obama in there, but I don't think he has the experience quite yet.  He might be a good AG choice or he should run for Gov. of Ill. and clean up the mess the current admin. has made there.

  •  No way Obama for VP (0+ / 0-)

    With Warner for President thats an unbeatable ticket. A moderate and a liberal, both smart and charismatic.

    "The road to tyranny starts with the destruction of truth"

    by SensibleDemocrat on Tue Jul 25, 2006 at 11:40:30 AM PDT

    •  won't happen (0+ / 0-)

      Obama doesn't want to be a VP.  He would say no.

      He is the Chosen One.  He is The Untainted.  He is carving a masterful, soaring, but very precise course defined on his terms by his very specific language.

      As a VP, you become saddled with every mistake, misjudgment, and misstep of character that your President made (see: Gore).  Obama doesn't need that risk or want it.  He's doesn't need a boost up from anyone.  He is too precise a craftsman to allow someone else to mess what he is building.  For the same reason, he will never be a Secretary of State (see: Powell).  He is too interested in defining his world view in too specific a way to ever be- or need to be- a second fiddle.  It would be a demotion for him.

      He will only run for individual or top-of-the-ticket posts: Senator, Governor, or President.

      Clark/Sebelius 2008

      by nocore on Tue Jul 25, 2006 at 02:08:13 PM PDT

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  •  VP? Why not P? (6+ / 0-)

    Obviously, she might need more foreign policy and overall political experience, but I like the idea of:

    • A fresh face, with less baggage.  That's one of the reasons I'm interested in Warner, as well.
    • She's photogenic.  Kerry, let's face it, wasn't, and in TV culture that counts.  And there's a lot more TV culture than blog culture who vote.
    • She's Red State - there are a lot of swing state voters who feel more comfortable with a non-northeast Democratic candidate.

    Of course, there are downsides.  A lot of folks are willing to cross party lines in local, but not federal, elections.  Romney, Schwanegger, and Pataki show this in the Blue states, so her ability to get elected might be a part of this phenominon.

    "Agitate . . . Agitate . . . Agitate" - Frederick Douglass

    by Fides on Tue Jul 25, 2006 at 11:40:32 AM PDT

    •  Non New England Dems (2+ / 0-)
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      mihan, rearlgrant

      Are what we need for 2008.

      Edwards, Clark, Bayh, etc.  These are winners because they aren't "elitist" like the others.

      -6.5, -7.59. If you're not outraged, you're not paying attention.

      by DrWolfy on Tue Jul 25, 2006 at 11:46:25 AM PDT

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    •  No other Red States would care (0+ / 0-)

      Electing a Dem from Kansas will not impress the south or rest of the midwest.  All they will see is a Democrat.

      She might carry Kansas... what is that 4 electoral votes?

      Thinking men can not be ruled. --Ayn Rand

      by Wisper on Tue Jul 25, 2006 at 11:59:12 AM PDT

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      •  What is 4 electoral votes? (0+ / 0-)

        Consider a random recent election, oh how about 2000?

        Bush 271, Gore 266.

        Change that to Bush 267, Gore 270, and I think the last 6 years might have played out a bit differently.

        And the point isn't necessarily to win the reddest of the red states.  The point is to win the Ohios, the Iowas, the Missouris.  The states that could swing to blue.

        A Southwestern candidate might be even better, as those states are more borderline.  But a lot of the country seems to have a special and strange bias against NE or California Dems, so perhaps a different region would work better.

        Hey, I don't agree with it - I live in Boston, lots of good people here - but I'm willing to work that bias if that's what we need to get reasonable governance back in this country.

        "Agitate . . . Agitate . . . Agitate" - Frederick Douglass

        by Fides on Tue Jul 25, 2006 at 01:40:19 PM PDT

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  •  YAY (0+ / 0-)

    a female veep.

    but that last name on a bumber sticker... hmmm

    richardson-sebelius
    gore-sebelius
    clark-sebelius
    edwards-sebelius

    hmmm.......

    The world will end not with a bang, but with a "Do'oh!"

    by Love and Death on Tue Jul 25, 2006 at 11:41:24 AM PDT

  •  I'd LOVE to have her for VP (1+ / 0-)
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    kath25

    But you know what? Too many sexist Americans don't want a woman in the White House. (And that includes some women who won't vote for a woman.) It makes me ill to say that, but all it would do is drive away the cowboys and rednecks and tough-guy wannabe chicken-hawks and other woman-haters that abound in this country. It might lose us just enough votes to lose the election.

    I might change my mind if by then the Dems have some insurmountable lead, but if the election is close, she'll put another Rethug in the White House.

    Sigh...very sad.

    Whackos get their info thru the Christian right. We'll bring them out to vote against something and make sure the public lets the whole thing slip past them.

    by chemsmith on Tue Jul 25, 2006 at 11:41:42 AM PDT

    •  on the other hand (1+ / 0-)
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      kck

      it might motivate some as-yet-unregistered women to get to the polls to support her....

      •  Good point (0+ / 0-)

        I'm always wishing more women would get out there and speak up (by voting)!

        Whackos get their info thru the Christian right. We'll bring them out to vote against something and make sure the public lets the whole thing slip past them.

        by chemsmith on Tue Jul 25, 2006 at 12:33:32 PM PDT

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    •  Well (0+ / 0-)

      the Vice President's office isn't in the White House, so what is your point? And just reread it and then think about how a woman, a democrat at that can win in Kansas and cannot be elected VP (or P for that matter).

    •  A good campaign manager (1+ / 0-)
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      chemsmith

      and a good strategy and this country could whip up a majority of voters to vote for a Woman.

      After all, it is Republican men that got us in this mess.  It's time for a Democratic woman to lead us out.  See the message.  Sexist politics and divisive party politics re-enforce each other while providing cover for men to vote for the female.

      That is one of the benefits of Hillary (although see my posts above, I'd vote Sebilius over Hillary today).  She's been in the trenches of a national campaign and seen the meat grinder that is the West Wing -- during a time when the opposition was in control of the legislature too.  

      I love Pat Schroder, and I worked with Pat Schroder, but when I watched her cry in front of the camera I felt she set women back 10 years and fueled the morons who say a woman can't govern.

      Hillary ain't gonna cry into a microphone on national TV.

    •  Bullshit (0+ / 0-)

      Most Americans under 50 dont have all this gender baggage.

      Its like saying Colin Powell would not make a good VP because of racism

      www.tasinifornewyork.org

      by naufragus on Tue Jul 25, 2006 at 12:57:31 PM PDT

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      •  Colin Powell would not (0+ / 0-)

        make a good VP because of racism.

        There, I said it.

        You want to see the Republicans implode? There's how you do it.

        Racism may be declining in this country, but it's FAR from over. There's a reason the Voting Rights Act is being renewed.

        Do I like it? No. But have I heard enough people use the word "nigger"? Yeah.

        About the only way you're gonna something other than a  white guy as president is if both parties ran something other than a white guy at the same time- and you can bet your ass some racist or sexist moron would be out there with a third party "to provide a choice".

        Welcome to America.

        The "middle of the road" is where the chickens get run over.
        -8.13, -4.15

        by Eddie in ME on Tue Jul 25, 2006 at 01:14:53 PM PDT

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        •  Still thinks its Bullshit (0+ / 0-)

          I think what you have described is the AARP and not america as a whole.

          We have just had 2 female and 2 black Sec. of State.  

          The trick to moving this country forward is to get the Baby Boomers to freaking retire and let us GenXers clean up the country.

          www.tasinifornewyork.org

          by naufragus on Tue Jul 25, 2006 at 02:21:47 PM PDT

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          •  They're not voted on by the electorate (0+ / 0-)

            they're appointed by the Senate.

            Now if you asked me if the population under the Baby Boomers' age would elect Colin Powell, my answer would be a wholehearted yes.

            But we need to face facts- the AARP and those of that age group are the heaviest voting block in the country.

            The "middle of the road" is where the chickens get run over.
            -8.13, -4.15

            by Eddie in ME on Tue Jul 25, 2006 at 08:30:20 PM PDT

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  •  Not VP, but (3+ / 0-)
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    ultrageek, RoIn, BruinKid

    I'd rather see her take her magic wand to DC and take Howard Dean's place when his term is up. Imagine taking this strategy nationwide!

  •  fuck it (3+ / 0-)

    if she's that good at converting reds to blues, she needs to be at the top of the ticket... not just keeping things warm in the middle.

    Sebelius/Warner 2008!

    -9.50;-6.62. But it don't mean nuttin if you don't put your money where your mouth is

    by ultrageek on Tue Jul 25, 2006 at 11:42:33 AM PDT

  •  Sebelius rules. (1+ / 0-)
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    rearlgrant

    She knows her Sun Tzu.
    I wish more of our side did.

    And yes, I actually agree, she would be on any shortlist i'd be putting together too.

    -C.

  •  about time (0+ / 0-)

    It's about time someone came along who could convince middle-American voters that the Big-Business/Christian-Right/Imperial-Presidency agenda of the Republican party is not in their interests.  It's great to finally have a Democrat who can speak to the voters in places like Kansas.  We should be their party.

  •  This is what I have been saying... (1+ / 0-)
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    Predator Saint

    about folks like Feingold.  Leave them where they can do a good job at rebuilding the party.

    We need these good people where they are.

    -6.5, -7.59. If you're not outraged, you're not paying attention.

    by DrWolfy on Tue Jul 25, 2006 at 11:45:11 AM PDT

    •  alksdfn (0+ / 0-)

      Feignold is a recently twice-divorced bachelor candidate.  

      If anyone thinks that's gonna play well in middle America, then you've obviously never been to middle America.  No first lady?  Oh, yeah.  That'll be a BIG selling point in Iowa.  Centrist voters are gonna love that.  And middle AMerican women voters will REALLY love that!

      I want brilliant dyed-in-the-wool progressives.  But can we get some heartland with that please, so that we can actually appeal to the nation?  

      Gimme Clark, Sebelius, Edwards, Schweitzer, Warner, etc.  

  •  Why not Prez (2+ / 0-)
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    retLT, jedinecny

    Why stop with VP?

    I'd love to see someone come out of left field to win the nomination, a la Bill Clinton in 92

  •  If she is a former GOP (1+ / 0-)
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    dead letter office

    Where do her positons on core liberal/dem values and policies stand?

    cheers,

    Mitch Gore

    Republicans believe in training Al-Qaeda, but not in training American workers.

    by Lestatdelc on Tue Jul 25, 2006 at 11:45:58 AM PDT

  •  I grew up a 'liberal Republican' in Kansas (9+ / 0-)

    back when people said 'liberal Republican' without any hint of irony (it was what Alf Landon called himself). Indeed, it is the values I learned in Kansas, the values of my neighborhood, friends and community, which made me become a Democrat in the 1980s, and which make me a Democrat today.

    I can't tell you how proud I am of Kathleen Sebelius -- and that Kansas is leading the nation's shift from red into blue.

    'They ain't lookin' for Osama, ask Biggie's mamma' -- Ice Cube

    by QuickSilver on Tue Jul 25, 2006 at 11:47:53 AM PDT

  •  VP? What are you...NUTS? (5+ / 0-)

    As a Veep -- regardless which Democrat would be elected -- she'd be relegated as dead-end window dressing, because a Democratic president would not allow the VP office to be anywhere near as powerful as Cheney was.

    Sebelius is a leader, and she's providing leadership in the heart of Red State country.  Nothing speaks more to transforming the grass-roots level of politics -- as you want Markos -- than what she's doing.

    The smart thing is to leave her alone and let her work continue.  To pull a performer out when the job isnt done to promote them for the sake of "promotion" is plain stupid and shortsighted.  

    Leave my governor alone and get some other bland, ineffective stiff as VP.

    Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect -- Mark Twain.

    by dcrolg on Tue Jul 25, 2006 at 11:49:03 AM PDT

  •  Here is one thing we CAN predict (2+ / 0-)
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    SecondComing, rearlgrant

    Any time now, we'll find out she's a "queer" or maybe that she is a abortion-loving former prostitute who once gave birth to a black kid...some bullshit lie that Rove will plant in the Kansas underground (= churches).

    Whackos get their info thru the Christian right. We'll bring them out to vote against something and make sure the public lets the whole thing slip past them.

    by chemsmith on Tue Jul 25, 2006 at 11:56:21 AM PDT

  •  Let's not forget about Phill (2+ / 0-)
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    dpinzow, rearlgrant

    And about how far out there he really is.

    Kansas is having a big clash between the Silly and Sensible parties.

    Plus, Dennis Moore looks to be on his way to his easiest re-election so far.

    "Our country right or wrong. When right, to be kept right; when wrong, to be put right" - Carl Schurz

    by RBH on Tue Jul 25, 2006 at 11:58:03 AM PDT

    •  So is Kline's name... (0+ / 0-)

      ...Phill Peter Brian Telescope Adrian Umbrella Stand Jasper Wednesday (pops mouth twice) Stoatgobbler John Raw Vegetable (sound effect of horse whinnying) Arthur Norman Michael (blows squeaker) Featherstone Smith (blows whistle) Northgot Edwards Harris (fires pistol, which goes 'whoop') Mason (chuff-chuff-chuff) Frampton Jones Fruitbat Gilbert (sings) 'We'll keep a welcome in the' (three shots, stops singing) Williams If I Could Walk That Way Jenkin (squeaker) Tiger-draws Pratt Thompson (sings) 'Raindrops Keep Falling On My Head' Darcy Carter (horn) Pussycat 'Don't Sleep In The Subway' Barton Mainwaring (hoot, 'whoop') Kline?

      9-11 changed everything? Well, Katrina changed it back.

      by varro on Tue Jul 25, 2006 at 01:06:47 PM PDT

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  •  God bless her for her tireless work! (3+ / 0-)
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    RoIn, kck, rearlgrant
  •  Why not consider the Governor of Arizona as VP? (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    varro

    I can see pluses and minuses in regard to leaving Sebelius as Governor of Kansas, but does Kansas have term limits like other states?  I still like Gore/Sebelius or Clark/Sebelius, but let’s not limit ourselves- what about Gov. Janet Napolitano? I could also go for several other possible presidential candidates- Feingold, Richardson or Edwards- even Hillary (although her support of Bush on the war leaves me a bit cold.)

    As to having Sebelius as a presidential candidate, like Obama, she may not yet be ready for that, but a vice-presidency would get her there next time around.

    The fact is she is a great spokesperson for the best of the Democratic Party and as such would be a great VP.

    Push comes to shove I'd support a banana slug against the possible Republican candidates, but why not go for the best if we can!

    •  Indeed, why not? (1+ / 0-)
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      PaintyKat

      Would the governor of AZ want to be veep and how do people in AZ feel about it?  Kansas has term limits after 2 terms.  When Kathleen decides to run for president, she will be more than ready.  She's great at every job she does.  She wouldn't try for it if she weren't ready.  She knows herself very well and never disappoints.

      Winning without Delay.

      by ljm on Tue Jul 25, 2006 at 12:07:30 PM PDT

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      •  There are questions abot Napolitano (0+ / 0-)

        Actually, there's question, in the singular: she might be gay. I personally could give a horse's patoot, but I'm gonna take a wild stab in the dark and say America ain't ready to vote for a lesbian president.

        This is horribly unfair, not only because it's bigoted but because the only evidence of her sexuality is the fact that she's never been married and looks stereotypical to some people. But it's there.

        •  actually (0+ / 0-)

          I think America would vote for a lesbian before an african american.  In fact I think America would vote for a lesbian before a straight woman..

          dunno why excactly, but living in deeop red country that's my feeling.

          The world will end not with a bang, but with a "Do'oh!"

          by Love and Death on Tue Jul 25, 2006 at 01:07:31 PM PDT

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        •  Ah. IOKIYAR rears its ugly rear again.... (1+ / 0-)
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          Desert Biologist

          ...never mind the fact that the Bush White House had a notorious rent boy put into the White House press corps.  

          What are they afraid of with Napolitano?  Big dogs ruining the furniture at the Naval Observatory?  Softball games on the lawn?

          9-11 changed everything? Well, Katrina changed it back.

          by varro on Tue Jul 25, 2006 at 01:12:13 PM PDT

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        •  The same could be said for Condi and Hillary (1+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          Desert Biologist

          and Harriot Myers for that matter.
          And has.

          Lesbians dont bug Americans.  Only gay men freak them out.

          www.tasinifornewyork.org

          by naufragus on Tue Jul 25, 2006 at 02:13:48 PM PDT

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    •  Yes (0+ / 0-)

      Kansas has term limits on gov, but she has not reached that point yet.

  •  kansas - not as bad as i thought (2+ / 0-)
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    retLT, Ceee

    One of my best friends lives in Kansas. When we were college roommates way back during the '92 election, he voted for Bush Sr. I of course voted for the winner. ;) He was always a little conservative, but nowhere near a right-wing loon. Regardless, we just didn't talk about politics, not that I was very political back then.

    Fast forward to 2004. I go up to Kansas to his wedding. Meet his wife-to-be who has a Sebelius sticker on her car. I talked to her about it, and find out Sebelius is the governor and a Democrat. Wow.. what a shock! Then I'm with her family up in w-a-y r-u-r-a-l Kansas (150 mi north of Wichita) and suddenly I'm surrounded by a bunch of Democrats. Her father is the Secretary of Agriculture for Kansas and one of his friends was a state House candidate. Unfortunately the friend (whose name I do not recall) lost in 2004, but still going up there and talking to a bunch of Democrats was definitely unexpected. I think Kansas is not in as bad shape as we think. It'll turn before some of the more hopeless states like Alabama or Georgia.

    BTW, my friend voted for Kerry too. :)

  •  CLARK/SEBELIUS 2008 (4+ / 0-)
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    ljm, kck, dpinzow, Lochners Bakers

    A great cover story on Sebelius.

    I've been waiting for her to get more hype.  A bright, charismatic, highly popular, bedrock Porgressive, hunter, and Governor from a very Red State.  A master of fiscal discipline.  She is beautiful, grounded, and comes from a great Democratic family.  

    In other words- unlike Hillary- she's just flat out likable.

    THIS is the woman who needs to come to the fore of the party.  

    A bright, likable, red state, hunter Governor would be an amazing balance to the firmness of a General Clark ticket.  Each of those two are solid liberals who ooze crossover appeal.  Everybody wins with Clark/Sebelius.  Two red state bedrock Progressives.  A heroic general to rev up the male vote.  A strong, bright, warm woman to rev up the female vote.  And together, probably the sexiest ticket in American history.

    Clark/Sebelius '08

    •  second (0+ / 0-)

      I confess, never heard of her before. Yes, as I enjoyed the links, my mind went first to Wes/Seb'08. Whew, that would be powerful.  

      > 518,000 American children are in foster care. Got any bandwidth?

      by kck on Tue Jul 25, 2006 at 12:39:14 PM PDT

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    •  EXCEPT SHE'S PRO-LIFE (0+ / 0-)
      •  And? (1+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        Lochners Bakers

        We're Democrats. We don't have single issue litmus tests.

        The "middle of the road" is where the chickens get run over.
        -8.13, -4.15

        by Eddie in ME on Tue Jul 25, 2006 at 01:18:31 PM PDT

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      •  News to me here in Kansas (4+ / 0-)
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        mnemosyne9, Thistime, retLT, nocore

        Kathleen has always been supportive of a woman's right to choose.  

        Winning without Delay.

        by ljm on Tue Jul 25, 2006 at 01:27:06 PM PDT

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      •  FLAT OUT UNTRUE. SHE IS PRO-CHOICE (5+ / 0-)

        This is PURE FICTION, and I will not let this rumor be started here.

        Kathleen Sebelius is Catholic, but she is pro-choice and is a solid supporter of Roe v. Wade.

        An assertion to the contrary is nonsense.

        Clark/Sebelius 2008

        by nocore on Tue Jul 25, 2006 at 01:46:41 PM PDT

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        •  I apologize (0+ / 0-)

          I stand corrected.  She does support a woman's right to choose, but is personally opposed to abortion.

          •  yeah (2+ / 0-)
            Recommended by:
            mnemosyne9, PaintyKat

            Kathleen has support from the National Organization for Women PAC, Planned Parenthood, and NARAL. A "personal anti-abortion stance" has absolutely no relation to it; I wouldn't be surprised if a majority of Congress's most staunch supporters of women's rights claimed to be personally anti-abortion. I've heard it plenty before, from John Kerry and Barack Obama and lots of others.

            It's the policy that matters.

            "I get very disgusted with the younger generation of women. We had a torch to pass, and they are just sitting there." -Erma Bombeck

            by righteousbabe on Tue Jul 25, 2006 at 03:33:57 PM PDT

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            •  Pro-choice (2+ / 0-)
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              PaintyKat, righteousbabe

              As I said above, she's been a staunch opponent of Kline's attempts to get women's abortion records made public (and therefore scare women away from abortion clinics) under the false pretext of rooting out child abuse.

            •  Hell, I'm personally anti-abortion... (2+ / 0-)
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              retLT, righteousbabe

              ...and if I were female, I don't think I'd consider having one.

              I think many women who have abortions are anti-abortion.

              In fact, I think most people in general are anti-abortion.
              down
              That doesn't mean they're anti-choice.

              Abortion is a hell of a choice for any woman to have to make.  It's never a walk in the park.  I'm a father and in addition to having heard my wife's point of view on this have heard the points of view of many other females.  Any woman knows what's going on when she gets pregnant.  She knows there's something alive down there.

              But when faced with the alternatives -- especially for the young and the poor -- sometimes, abortion is the only reasonable one.  It's a sad decision under any circumstances, one that no woman who has ever made it will ever forget agonizing over.  Can she reasonably provide for this new life?  Will its life, of necessity, be a misery?  Is she in any kind of emotional state to raise a healthy and happy child?  Financial state?

              I agree with Bill Clinton on this one:  safe, legal, and rare.  And, of course, in this area even moreso than in most that deal with health care, an ounce of prevention, when possible, is worth a pound of cure.

              Four hundred years ago, we were all illegal aliens according to the Comanche.

              by DC Pol Sci on Tue Jul 25, 2006 at 05:19:20 PM PDT

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  •   secret democrat (0+ / 0-)

    As far as i could tell from her website, there wasn`t any mention of her being a democrat.is it a secret?  sort of like  Steele here in Md, no mention of him being a republican.

    •  No. (0+ / 0-)

      Her dad was the Democratic governor of Ohio.  She's the Democratic governor of Kansas.  She's from a famous Democratic family.  

      And she's got former Republican politicians standing on stage with her announcing their conversions to the Democratic party.  She is FAR from making a secret of it.  Sebelius is dyed-in-the-wool, proud Democrat.

      Clark/Sebelius 2008

      by nocore on Tue Jul 25, 2006 at 12:25:42 PM PDT

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  •  If she can save Kansas... (0+ / 0-)

    She just might be a liberal messiah.

    "Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it." -Mark Twain

    by Common Cents on Tue Jul 25, 2006 at 12:24:13 PM PDT

  •  The Republican party's (0+ / 0-)
    adherents were always of different minds.  There's the group that doesn't want to be bothered with government and wants someone else to "take care of business" and to "let George do it."  Then there's the group that lives in the present and has no concept of the future.  They not only expect things to stay the same but consider "progress" to be dangerous, because they don't understand it.
    Finally, there's the third group which brings a strong feeling of resentment to the present because of what they consider negative changes that have already taken place.  What they want is revenge and, if possible, a regression to a more acceptable past. The concept of progress as a change for the better is anathema to them.
    Since the middle group doesn't expect anything, they're not disappointed in Bush/Cheney.  The other two groups are dissatisfied simply because things have gotten worse.

    http://carolforcongress.com/

    by hannah on Tue Jul 25, 2006 at 12:37:43 PM PDT

    •  Bush's smoke is clearing and mirrors cracking. (0+ / 0-)

      For his first 4 years Bush was remarkable in keeping the troops in line. I agree with you somewhat in that republicans have always been split. I just have my own view on where the split lies.

      You have two big factions. The first faction is the moral majority christian right group merged with neocon ideas. They have co-opted some big government ideas of the democrats. We've seen this big government conservative hybrid in the Prescription Drug debacle and No Child Left Behind. It was also predominant in the Bush attempt to privatize social security. This group supports a government that can spy on you and tell you who you can marry.

      The other large faction is the big business anarcho capitalist republicans of the Barry Goldwater mold. George Will, and others of his ilk who patently distrust the government. They support less taxes and could care less about foreign adventures to further the rapture.

      These two groups have very little in common. The christian voting base for the most part is not wealthy. The big business libertarian leaning Goldwater conservatives are not instinctively religious. How did Bush/Rove reconcile these two for any time? By giving the tax cuts to the wealthy and lipservice to the christians. War in Iraq fed the christian apocalyptic zeal and the coffers of big business contractors. Tax cuts fed the people that fed the Rove campaign of ads that convinced the uneducated that Bush was a christian.

      At this point though facts are catching up with Bush. The "Inconvenient Truth" if you will is clearing the smoke and cracking the mirrors of the masters of illusion. Christians are anxious that nothing in their agenda is actually being enacted and they are getting the distinct impression that their pet issues are only brought up during the election cycle to be dropped after they vote dutifully. Meanwhile the small government anarcho-capitalist intellectual conservatives are concerned about government power being expanded(they realize that democratic presidents will enjoy the perks left by Bush someday)and the great risks and precedent set by Bush's disasterous foreign policy and christian pandering.

      It is falling apart at the seems.

      "Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it." -Mark Twain

      by Common Cents on Tue Jul 25, 2006 at 12:47:54 PM PDT

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  •  Beat the slime Kline! (0+ / 0-)

    Turn the heartland blue!
    Go Kansas!
    Yeah, my home state!

    [RED/GLARE]

    For business reasons, I must preserve the outward sign of sanity.

    --Mark Twain

    by redglare on Tue Jul 25, 2006 at 12:39:22 PM PDT

  •  Why Is This Good News? (0+ / 0-)

    What's so great about stacking the Democratic Party with Republicans? Does anyone believe that these "converts" are anything but corporate Republicans?

    True, they're better on social issues -- but not that much better. They want evolution in the schools, which means they're on the cutting edge of progressive politics -- circa 1925. They're pro-choice, but they won't fight for it. They're not anti-gay, but they'd be just as happy if gay people would shut up.

    They're "environmentalists," so long as profit comes first -- which is to say, they're every bit as green as those Dupont Chemical commercials of the seals.

    They don't hate poor people, like Cheney, but they don't much like them, either, and they sure don't have much use for unions -- as Edwards says, the best anti-poverty program ever invented.

    They're not racists, but then, neither are the fire-breathing far right Republicans of Kansas. I've visited Sam Brownback in his home, met his adopted children. Whatever else he is, he's not a racist.

    In fact, I'd bet some of the far-righters are to the left of Sebelius on issues like prison reform. That's no defense of the far-right -- they're deeply anti-democratic -- but rather a concern that Democrats hungry to swell the party ranks are diluting everything the party stands for to the point that it will soon stand for nothing.

    I'm no expert on Kansas politics, so if I'm missing something big here, fill me in.

    •  You're not missing much except (0+ / 0-)

      that the alternative is far worse in KS. I think we just need to get people voting democrat and then work on progressive policies. I don't think many people realize how entrenched the far right are in KS. Getting moderate republicans into the party is a step to the left in a state that desperately needed it...

    •  How stupid (0+ / 0-)

      I don't think Republicans welcome former Democrats with skepticism and derision.

  •  this is it (0+ / 0-)

    the key to putting the evil cult of republicanism genie back in the bottle is splitting off what passes for moderates in republican clothing. Estranged republican moderates combined with unapathetic and less than far out democrats (no more Naders pleeeeeze, at least not until sanity is re-established) could put the country over the top and start the US on the road to recovery. (Not the least of which would be putting the entire first and second bushliar-criminal regimes in prison for the rest of their days.)  

  •  i hope (0+ / 0-)

    she'll be just as good as 2004's governor/rock star, Jennifer Granholm!

    </snark>

    The point is that what goes up often comes down.  Granholm was seen as such a great governor in Michigan that she wasn't only on a lot of people's VP short list, but there was talk that the Arnold Amendment allowing non-natives to become President wouldn't be so bad because Granholm was born in Canada.

    Now she's in the fight of her life trying to get re-elected.

    D-Day, the newest blog on the internet (at the moment of its launch)

    by dday on Tue Jul 25, 2006 at 12:47:09 PM PDT

  •  Kathleen Sebelius (0+ / 0-)

    Kansas redeemed? Umm...I'll have to wait and see about that. Meanwhile, the news of Gov Sebelius's success in building her political standing and reviving viability of the Democratic party, if it happens, will be glorious news. How DOES she handle the Christian Right? We have not heard that.
      Sure -- if it's as good as Kos reports, with her record she has a national future, but my ticket, then, would be:
                                GORE/SEBELIUS.
    Al Gore has just got too much going for him to turn our back on him now. Edwards and Clark are lightweights by comparison; OK, they belong in a Gore cabinet.  I have long said that it may take a woman to restore the Democratic party; but it's not who you think! It could be Kathleen Sebelius.

    jim/santa fe
  •  Educate with love, not hostility (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    retLT

    I really have no idea where Sebelius stands on anything. I'm sure that, in general, she's very nice; she's much more capitalist than a lot of people here would like; and that she's going to disagree with us on some issue or candidacy that we're all very excited about.

    What about this: as long as she herself doesn't take a series of several truly evil positions for clearly evil reasons, or intentionally go out of her way to be mean to us or the Democratic party, let's not be mean to her.

    If we hate a position she's taken, or if she goes and campaign for a serial killer for governor somewhere, let's write about why we disagree with her in a down-to-earth, fact-heavy way without laying on mountains of adjectives that have been heaped on Barbara Boxer in the past few days.

    If we someday decide we like her primary opponent better, support the opponent.

    If she really goes out of her way to insult us and call us unpatriotic or something like that, take the gloves off and classify her as another Lieberman.

    But if she's just going about her job and sometimes she gets on our nerves, let's try to educate her, not disembowel her.

    •  Unless you are a Kansas resident (0+ / 0-)

      for the time being it is not your issue.  

      If you are not aware of any of her positions why in the world would you pretend to comment and include references about evil, campaigning for a serial killer,
      classifying her as another Lieberman, and disemboweling her?  Weird.

      If you acquainted yourself with Sebelius' positions, qualifications, and experience perhaps your comments would be a bit more on target.

      A Kansas Sebelius Supporter
      PaintyKat

      I donated to ePluribus Media. Support citizen journalism!

      by PaintyKat on Tue Jul 25, 2006 at 08:47:54 PM PDT

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      •  I'm talking about Boxer (0+ / 0-)

        If you are not aware of any of her positions why in the world would you pretend to comment and include references about evil, campaigning for a serial killer,
        classifying her as another Lieberman, and disemboweling her?  Weird.

        • I'm not a Kansas resident, but many of my relatives are and will be voting for Sebelius. Keep in mind that some of these folks are the kinds of swing voters who might have at least considered voting for someone like Bob Dole. To me, that's a sign of Sebelius's strong appeal to swing voters.
        • What I was really thinking about when I posted was not Sebelius, but about how Daily Kos folks identify DK favorites, such as Barbara Boxer and Barack Obama, and then we collectively trash our favorites when they do some little thing that we dislike. Just because Barbara Boxer, who has been a tireless champion of progressive causes, goes campaigning for Joseph Lieberman, people here trash her as if she were the Spawn of Dubya. If that's how we treat our favorites, why would Sebelius want us to like her? If I were Sebelius, and I read what Daily Kos people are posting about Boxer, I'd want to stay as far away from Daily Kos as possible.
  •  SHE'S PRO-LIFE!!!! (2+ / 2-)
    Recommended by:
    jiacinto, davybaby
    Hidden by:
    ljm, Eddie in ME

    Not a REAL Democrat!

  •  And a good sense of humor (0+ / 0-)

    In case you missed her on "A Prairie Home Companion", she was great:

    PHC

  •  These New 'Democrats' are not (0+ / 0-)

    really Democrats in the same way that many California Republicans are not Indiana Republicans. The fact is the Taliban right in Kansas is finally feeling the backlash caused by their own over-the-top backlash over a decade ago. Sebelius won the gubanatorial race because the Taliban right showed up in droves during the primary and nominated a nutjob.

    This fracture in the Republican party was inevitable because the Taliban just refused to stop moving to the right. The democratic party in KS is really just becoming the moderate Republican party. I'm not suggesting that this isn't better than the alternative but let's ease up on the Sebelius-fawning somewhat...

  •  Agreed! (0+ / 0-)

    Total rockstar. And damn nice lady, as I can say having met her a time or two here. We've been very lucky to have her in Kansas, and if you ask very very nicely we might just let the rest of the country bask in her awesomeness a little too when she becomes VP:)

  •  Just a note on the bottom (0+ / 0-)

    To say thanks, Kos, for turning me on to this amazing Democrat.

    (-5.88, -6.46) Democracy is what happens between elections.

    by autoegocrat on Tue Jul 25, 2006 at 06:07:16 PM PDT

  •  Ck out the KS-Gov site (0+ / 0-)

    http://www.ksgovernor.com/...

    Pretty amazing.

    I was in-state when she bagged her turkey in the annual Governor's turkey shoot on April 17th. These guys have a funny take on it:
    http://www.6newslawrence.com/...

    Be good to each other. It matters.

    by AllisonInSeattle on Tue Jul 25, 2006 at 06:55:32 PM PDT

  •  Nationwide (0+ / 0-)

    We need to run candidates who have a nation-wide appeal. We worry so much about catering to sections of the country or interest group. We need someone that has nationwide-appeal. Someone whom we don't have candidates "hiding out" from when they are on the campaign trail. I can't see Dem officeholders being embarrased to be seen with her as they were with people like Kerry. Feingold, Hillary, Gore, or Dean won't sell well on "Main Street". Sebelius can!

    •  Gore won nationwide once (0+ / 0-)

      also BTW, he is a smash hit wherever he goes and talks these days, and he brought in record contributions when his name was put on campaign contribution mailers this year.

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