The following is a complete transcript of Nedd Kareiva's response to a letter to the editor (The Press Enterprise, Bloomsburg, PA) that I wrote in July. My original letter is included as the last entry; his response is self explanatory. He also responded in a letter to the editor to The Press Enterprise, calling for an investigation of my activities as a university professor (Bloomsburg University) and as a danger to young minds. Given the exchange between Mr. Kareiva and Jesus General and Daily Kos, I thought readers might find this interestiing. I have also included a second post from Mr. Kareiva, one he sent when I did not respond to his first post directly, but through the public discussion forum of our paper called 30 Seconds (included at bottom of second entry).
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OK, Wendy, you want to take aim at me, now as they say, payback is sweet. Get ready because I am ready with both barrels pointed at your dykey face.
Yeah, dykey is bigoted, whatcha gonna do about it? You should be ashamed to live this unnatural lifestyle.
Now let's cover what you wrote. You said " That Lysk has every right to represent such a group is not at issue." So far, so good. At least you seem to understand that.
You also say "ST-ACLU director Nedd Kareiva's policy is to publish the home phone numbers and addresses of complainants who have secured ACLU representation." That is an accurate statement. Now what part of that do you have a problem with. This is public information, available on the Internet thru sources like Switchboard.com, Zaba Search and others. If it's on the Net, it's fair game, just as my info is, right, toots?
For the record, the info we had on the Dobrich's was outdated which was pointed out on Delaware Online. And to its credit, Delaware Online also pointed out timeline errors of your radical friends at the Daily Kos and Jesus' General, an oxymoron if there ever was one.
You further say "The Dobrich family had secured ACLU representation because they believed that the establishment clause's separation of church and state was violated in their school district." Please point out to me where "separation of church and state" is found in the Constitution.
The Dobrich family did not like that a prayer was said at the school, a prayer that from all accounts benefitted a vast majority of the audience, a prayer that she nor her son was forced to accept or believe. The Constitution does not require a so-called separation of church and state which you would do well to read the legal opinion as outlined in the ACLU vs. Mercer County, KY 10 Commandments ruling in December.
The Dobrich family was apparently offended by this prayer and sought out the masters of litigation to remove religious symbols from society, the American Communist Lawyers Union.
You should understand, toots, that personal public prayer, whether by a student or a school official, does not violate the Establishment Clause of the Constitution as long as such prayer is said in that person's individual capacity and not in representation of the school, or any other public entity, for that matter. There is court precedent in this arena, though some courts have admittedly ruled the other way.
You need to grasp the FACT that in no other legal arena outside of religious symbols and prayer can one sue to obtain damages. The Dobrich family cannot show tangible harm because of the prayer(s) that may have been said at the school graduation and as such, she is entitled to ZILCH, ZIP, ZERO, NADA! This area of law must be reenacted. It is in stark contrast to traditional legal practice.
You have stated "The family was ultimately driven out of the school district by harassment and intimidation -- partly accredited to ST-ACLU publication of their home phone number and address." But as was pointed out by Delaware Online, the information is factually incorrect as the family moved out before the suit was filed in 2005.
You need to get your FACTS together, "Professor" Lee. If you can't get your facts straight in your letter to the editor, why should your students believe you on other items? As a professor, you should be teaching your pupils to cite their sources. You certainly haven't.
You add "Then, in a twist of supreme irony, he threatened to sue the blogs to silence the criticism -- in direct violation of the very free speech he claims to represent." Memo to you, toots - free speech does not extend to malicious slander and defamation which many of the blogs and sites that reported this matter. You are free to lie (which, BTW, you excel) and call names and make whatever outlandish claims you wish to make but you are NOT free defame and slander one's character which your comment here "The family was ultimately driven out of the school district by harassment and intimidation -- partly accredited to ST-ACLU publication of their home phone number and address." borderline accentuates.
Courts have ruled that free speech does not extend to slander and defamation and there is plenty of court precedent to back this up. And lies that promote such that are published serve as a possibility of that.
Go ask your ACLU comrades what free speech entails and does not entail. The ACLU of Louisiana may be paying that price as they are being sued for slander by a teacher in their school system. The info is scant online as there is a court order barring discussion of the case but if you put "Sullivan ACLU Louisiana" and perhaps "slander", you may locate some stuff on it.
You continue "Does Lysk share ST-ACLU's opposition to the separation of church and state?". I don't think she would mind if I answer for her that yes, she does. Because liberals like you have bastardized that term which, as I stated earlier, doesn't exist in the Constitution. If you can find it and can cite it, I'll send you a check for $1000.
Continuing "Does she support ST-ACLU's promotion of creationism in high school biology?" That's not an issue here, toots. You should support all viewpoints unless you believe like this nutcase which I fear you do.
You also say "Bigotry is an ugly human foible".
Uh, are you accusing me of bigotry, toots? If so, you better have your FACTS straight as my wife is black. I don't mind being bigoted against unnatural lesbian lifestyles which you are well documented to have been a participant in.
And I am part Jewish which you haven't bothered to search out before making your reckless statement
And for the record, what the hell does bigotry have anything to do with this issue?
I am bigoted against radical Muslims, illegal aliens, abortionists and militant homosexual activists, all such groups who want to push their agendas in my face and upon America. You're damn right I am and I don't apologize for it. But let's get it right. I'm bigoted against perverted lifestyles (look in the mirror), illegal activities, beheading of the "infidels" (that's you and me, according to the likes of Al-Qaeda), the slaughter of unborn. Yes, I'm bigoted.
You use the word "foible" which means "a minor weakness". So if we have lots of people who embrace bigotry, then to coin the word you use, they are embracing minor weaknesses - which can be rectified.
Now it's time to rebut the FACTS (which are stubborn things as one person once said) that I laid out for you. It's either time to put up or shut up. If you can't do the former, I suggest you do the latter. Besides, the latter would be less embarrassing for you since I've already done the job by pointing out your mindless inaccuracies, let alone your worthless, albeit Constitutionally permissible (except for that one point above) statements.
Pay my airfare and I'll fly out to Bloomsburg and I'll take you on in a public debate. Do you accept? I'll mop the floor with you. I await your response. I've given you a little "Lee-way". LOL
Sincerely,
Nedd Kareiva,
Director, Stop the ACLU Coalition
www.stoptheaclu.org
info@stoptheaclu.org
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Lysk linked to 'theocratic fascism
From: "Evy Lysk"
Date: Sat, July 29, 2006 6:36 am
To: "Nedd Kareiva" <Info@stoptheaclu.org>
Hello everybody. This was in our paper this morning. This is our professor atheist lesbian , nut case Wendy Lee.You have to answer this, sock it to her Nedd......
Saturday, July 29, 2006
Lysk linked to 'theocratic fascism'
It's no doubt a serious thing to be associated either as an individual or as a group-representative with bigotry. Only clear and convincing evidence can support such a link. For example, Patriot's Voice member and Benton School Board director Evy Lysk is listed as a regional representative for Stop the ACLU, a group for which she strongly advocates. That Lysk has every right to represent such a group is not at issue. What is at issue is whether Lysk supports ST-ACLU's mission for school districts -- a mission apparently willing to exploit anti-Semitism in the interest of fostering its theocratic goals.
Please consider ST-ACLU's involvement in a recent case concerning the Dobrich family of Indian River, Del. As reported by nonpartisan SperoNews.com, ST-ACLU director Nedd Kareiva's policy is to publish the home phone numbers and addresses of complainants who have secured ACLU representation. The aim is to solicit harassment in order to pressure complainants to withdraw their suits. The Dobrich family had secured ACLU representation because they believed that the establishment clause's separation of church and state was violated in their school district. Their children, they argued, were the repeated targets of anti-Semitic slurs and exclusions. They contended, moreover, that school board members advocated a narrow theocratic vision of education, hence violating the Constitution.
The family was ultimately driven out of the school district by harassment and intimidation -- partly accredited to ST-ACLU publication of their home phone number and address. When Kareiva was approached about this practice his response was that he didn't know whether he could take credit, but he was pleased if the publication had had some effect (Talk To Action.com).
Kareiva was bombarded with criticism across a variety of Internet blogs, and withdrew the phone/address Web site page. Then, in a twist of supreme irony, he threatened to sue the blogs to silence the criticism -- in direct violation of the very free speech he claims to represent.
It doesn't matter whether the Dobrich family had a legitimate case. The issue isn't even whether we should support the ACLU. What matters is that ST-ACLU apparently condones anti-Semitism (indeed, harassment of anyone who appeals to the ACLU) if it serves their anti-ACLU purposes. This case is about a school district. Does Lysk share ST-ACLU's opposition to the separation of church and state? Does she endorse the practice of publishing family phone numbers to pressure them to drop ACLU lawsuits? Does she support ST-ACLU's promotion of creationism in high school biology?
Apparently so; why else sign on as a regional representative? What does she think about the Dobrich case? Lysk's recent theatrics concerning Model U.N. (parroting Nedd Kareiva) taught us that tax-restraint is merely a front for the Patriot's Voice real agenda. Could something like what happened to the Dobrich family happen here? Bigotry is an ugly human foible; even worse, perhaps, is exploiting the bigotry of others to foster theocratic Fascism in public education. Again, aren't our kids worth more than this?
WENDY LYNNE LEE
Lightstreet
wlee@bloomu.edu
Second Response:
Hey, Wendy:
How come you can't write me directly? Are you that much of a chicken that you think I'm going to bite your head off? What are you afraid of? You're a big professor on Lightweight, I mean Lightstreet, making those big bux at taxpayer expense. I challenged you to a debate. If you're a professor, you're supposed to be schooled on the issues. Are you afraid to publicly defend your views, let alone your lifestyle? Are you a baby?
Heck, I'll even give you a little "Lee-way" in the debate if you accept.
You wouldn't know beans about harassment unless it bit you, like in the 4th, 5th & 6th letters of that word. However, if you can't figure it out, then see the underlined letters.
The content in my note to you was mildly vulgar at best but even if you think it was worse, well, it isn't as vulgar as the things lesbos do with each other. You can't get STDs with vulgarities. You can with homo or lesbo acts.
Let me close with this. No matter what you say, as long as you embrace liberalism which benefits no one, you will be a loser. Liberals are losers and not just at election time. They're losers in life and often losers in other ways.
Like the song goes, everyone (by her comments) knows (in Bloomsburg) it's Wendy.
Take the challenge.
Regards,
Nedd
Response:
Apparently hypersensitive to the blistering criticism meted out at Daily Kos and Jesus General, Nedd Kareiva (Stop the ACLU) misses the fact that I cite neither of these in my original letter. I used Spero News -- an unbiased news source -- not a blog -- exclusively. He then defends publishing home phone/addresses for the purpose of encouraging harassment as if his website were a white pages! Information isn't Kareiva's aim; pressure is. This practice is no different in its target -- silencing -- than calling for an "investigation" of a professor who exercises her free speech rights as a citizen. For an uncensored transcript of Kareiva's original response to my letter please send an e-mail request to wlee@bloomu.edu. Be advised, however, the content is vulgar -- and revealing.
Wendy Lynne Lee
Lightstreet
wlee@bloomu.edu