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The premise of this diary is that child abuse and conservatism usually go hand in hand.  Of course not all conservatives are child abusers and not all non-conservatives are not child abusers. However there can be no denying the empirical evidence that child abuse and conservatism go hand in hand.  The genesis lies in the values and upbringing of conservatives.  We will evaluate those values in due course.

Consider the following child rearing philosophy espoused by Conservative Christian Ronald E Williams.
http://sciencepolitics.blogspot.com/...  
Sadly this is considered the norm in Christian fundamentalist circles.

   

"My wife and I have a general goal of making sure that each of our children has his will broken by the time he reaches the age of one year. To do this, a child must receive correction when he is a small infant. Every parent recognizes that this self-will begins early as he has witnessed his child stiffen his back and boldly demonstrate his rebellion and self-will even though he has been fed, diapered, and cared for in every other physical
way.

On what occasions should a child be corrected? Whenever a child directly disobeys authority or shows disrespect and rebellion toward authority, that child should receive correction. Lesser infractions of course would receive lesser forms of correction with the rod being reserved for the more serious infractions."

The idea that we should be beating the crap out of a six month old is appalling. Consider influential Christian conservative is James Dobson.  Dobson advocates what is known as a strict father model of parenting.  Here are the first 4 sick rules that Dobson claims parents should follow.  http://www.rockridgeinstitute.org/...

   

1.  Children are inherently sinful and defiant.
    2.  Only punishment and reward will train children away from defiance and pursuing their sinful desires.
    3.  The only way a child can be raised properly is for a father to demand absolute obedience to his authority. Any questioning of authority requires swift and painful punishment.
    4.  Obedience can be taught only through painful corporal punishment-by whipping with belts or beating with switches or paddles. Continued disobedience requires greater beating.

Yet this should come as no surprise considering James Dobson's upbringing.  
 http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/...

         

As it turns out, Dobson's parents physically and mentally abused him as a child, and he once got beaten up in school by a kid even Dobson admits was widely acknowledged to be a "sissy."
    Dobson household there were "a million rules...regulations and prohibitions for almost every imaginable situation." Dobson recalls being "chewed out for using the expression 'Hot dog!'

That's much different from believing that all children are inherently good, that children should be encouraged to grow and develop, that civil dialogue is to be encouraged even if the child has a different opinion, and that positivity combined with fair rules works best in raising a child.  Dobson's "obedience" is simply code for abuse.  One does not need "painful corporal punishment" to get a child to listen.  A child will listen if you treat the child positively and respectfully while making it clear what the rules of the house are.

It is widely known that many prominent conservative politicians are basically people who grew up as unloved children in abused homes.  In these homes children are chattel not people. Thus they adopt a political philosophy which basically says "Screw the world, I hope everybody suffers. I was abused and unloved so now I want everybody else to experience what I experienced."  And conservative policies flow from this mindset.  When they start wars, harm the environment, deny people health care, or create economic policies that lead to poverty, this is why.

The abusing of children by conservatives is a worldwide epidemic.  The unreported story of the widespread scandals involving the Catholic Church and the millions of children abused worldwide is that these abuses were occurring in the conservative sects of Catholicism and not the progressive or liberal sects.  So we must ask ourselves:

1) Why is it that child abuse almost always occurs in the conservative sects of a religion and not the liberal or progressive sects?  http://en.wikipedia.org/... http://www.theawarenesscenter.org/...
2) Why is it that religious right wingers systematically seek to cover up that abuse or oppose legislative action to reporter abusers in the clergy?
http://www.thejewishweek.com/...

If you google search child molesters, you will be hard pressed to find even one example of an elected or well known liberal who has abused children.   But if you google conservative child molesters, you will find dozens.    I've alphabetized the abridged list. It speaks for itself.

* Republican mayor Thomas Adams of Illinois charged with 11 counts of disseminating child pornography and two counts of possession of child pornography.
* Republican legislator Edison Misla Aldarondo was sentenced to 10 years in prison for raping his daughter between the ages of 9 and 17.
 Republican activist Randal David Ankeney pleaded guilty to attempted sexual assault on a child.
* Republican County Commissioner Merrill Robert Barter pleaded guilty to unlawful sexual contact and assault on a teenage boy.
* Republican congressman and anti-gay activist Robert Bauman was charged with having sex with a 16-year-old boy he picked up at a gay bar.
* Republican activist Parker J. Bena pleaded guilty to possession of child pornography on his home computer and was sentenced to 30 months in federal prison and fined $18,000.
* Republican preacher Hewart Lee Bennett arrested for soliciting sex from 16 year old boys while claiming that he did so to gain their trust and then teach them the love of Jesus.
* Republican Christian Coalition chair Louis Beres investigated for molesting three female family members as teens.
* Clifton Bennett, 18, son of Arizona republican state senator Ken Bennett plead guilty to assaulting 3 boys, aged 11-15 with broomsticks up their rectal areas.
* Republican legislative aide Howard L. Brooks was charged with molesting a 12-year old boy and possession of child pornography.
* Republican golden boy and GOP employee Theodore Bundy executed for murdering over two dozen women.
* Republican politician Andrew Buhr was charged with two counts of first degree sodomy with a 13-year old boy.
* Republican anti-abortion activist John Allen Burt was charged with sexual misconduct involving a 15-year old girl.
* Republican activist John Butler was charged with criminal sexual assault on a teenage girl.
* Republican judge and Nixon Supreme Court nominee Harrold Carswell charged with making a pass at an undercover male cop in a public bathroom.
* Republican County Councilman Keola Childs pleaded guilty to molesting a male child.
* Republican election board official Kevin Coan was sentenced to two years probation for soliciting sex over the internet from a 14-year old girl.
* Republican councilman John Collins pleads guilty to sexually molesting a 13 + 14 year old girls.
* Republican advertising consultant Carey Lee Cramer, who appeared in an ad blasting Al gore, convicted of molesting 9 yr old girl stepdaughter* Republican Congressman Dan Crane had sex with a female minor working as a congressional page.
* Republican Committeeman John Curtain charged with molesting a teenage boy.
* Republican benefactor of conservative Christian groups, Richard A.Dasen Sr., was charged with rape for allegedly paying a 15-year old girl for sex. Dasen, 62, who is married with grown children and several grandchildren, has allegedly told police that over the past decade he paid more than $1 million to have sex with a large number of young women.
* Republican fundraiser Richard A. Delgaudio was found guilty of child porn charges and paying two teenage girls to pose for sexual photos
* Republican legislator Peter Dibble pleaded no contest to having an inappropriate relationship with a 13-yr-old girl.
* Republican activist and Focus on the Family Founder Pat Dobson advocates that fathers should show their penises to their sons while in the shower with them.
* Republican spokesman Brian Doyle arrested for trying to seduce a 14 year old girl over the Internet.
* Republican director of the "Young Republican Federation" Nicholas Elizondo molested his 6-year old daughter and was sentenced to six years in prison.
Republican constable Larry Dale Floyd of Denton arrested on suspicion of soliciting sex from an 8 yr old girl.
* Republican Councilman and former Marine Jack W. Gardner was convicted of molesting a 13-year old girl.
* Republican candidate Richard Gardner admitted to molesting his two daughters.
* Republican Mayor Philip Giordano of Waterbury Connecticut is serving a 37-year sentence in federal prison for sexually abusing 8- and 10-year old girls
* Republican activist Matthew Glavin was caught masturbating in public and fondling an undercover park ranger.
* Republican activist Marty Glickman (a.k.a. "Republican Marty"), convicted in Florida on four counts of unlawful sexual activity with an underage girl and one count of delivering the drug LSD.
* Republican Mayor John Gosek sentenced to jail for soliciting sex from two 15 year old girls.
* Republican activist Mark A. Grethen convicted on six counts of sex crimes involving children.
* Republican businessman Jon Grunseth withdrew his candidacy for Minnesota governor after allegations surfaced that he went swimming in the nude with four underage girls, including his daughter.
* Republican President of NYC Housing Development Russell Harding pleads guilty to possession of child pornography on his computer.
* Republican city councilman Mark Harris, who is described as a "good military man" and "church goer," was convicted of repeatedly having sex with an 11-year-old girl and sentenced to 12 years in prison.
* Republican Senate candidate John Hathaway was accused of having sex with his 12-year old baby sitter and withdrew his candidacy after the allegations were reported in the media.
* Republican anti-abortion activist Howard Scott Heldreth is a convicted child rapist in Florida.
* Republican pastor Mike Hintz, whom George W. Bush commended during the 2004 presidential campaign, surrendered to police after admitting to a sexual affair with a female juvenile.
* Republican activist Neal Horsley admits to having had sex with a mule.
* Republican Party leader Paul Ingram pleaded guilty to six counts of raping his daughters and served 14 years in federal prison.
* Republican anti-gay activist Earl "Butch" Kimmerling was sentenced to 40 years in prison for molesting an 8-year old girl after he attempted to stop a gay couple from adopting her.
* Republican activist Lawrence E. King, Jr. organized child sex parties at the White House during the 1980s.
* Republican judge Ronald Kline was placed under house arrest for child molestation.
* Republican Congressman Donald "Buz" Lukens was found guilty of having sex with a female minor and sentenced to one month in jail
* Republican talk show host Jon Matthews pleaded guilty to exposing his genitals to an 11 year old girl.
* Republican Douglas County election official Pat McPherson arrested for fondling a 17 yr old girl.
* Republican anti-abortion activist Nicholas Morency pleaded guilty to possessing child pornography on his computer and offering a bounty to anybody who murders an abortion doctor..
* Republican state rep Brent Parker arrested for soliciting sex from undercover officer posing as male prostitute.
* Republican Committee Chairman Jeffrey Patti was arrested for distributing a video clip of a 5-year-old girl being raped.
* Republican judge Mark Pazuhanich pleaded no contest to fondling a 10-year old girl and was sentenced to 10 years probation.
* Republican boy scout leader and zoning supervisor Dennis L Rader pleaded guilty for performing a sexual act on an 11 year old girl he murdered.
* Republican petition leader Tom Randall pleads guilty to molesting two girls under the age of 14.
* Republican activist and Christian Coalition leader Beverly Russell admitted to an incestuous relationship with his step daughter Susan Smith.
Republican senator Rick Man on Dog Santorum and his wife forced their three children, all under the age of six, to play with a dead fetus in the crib of their home.
* Republican ex congressman Peter Schmitt of Orange County, California's Republican daughter Mary Kay Lotorneau convicted of raping a 6th grader and bearing his two children.
* Republican congressman Ed Shrock resigned from Congress after found seeking sex on hotlines for homosexuals.
* Republican parole board officer and former Colorado state representative, Larry Jack Schwarz, was fired after child pornography was found in his possession.
* Republican governor Arnold Schwarzenegger allegedly had sex with a 16 year old girl when he was 28.
* Republican campaign worker Mark Seidensticker is a convicted child molester.
* Republican campaign consultant Tom Shortridge was sentenced to three years probation for taking nude photographs of a 15-year old girl.
* Republican City Councilman Fred C. Smeltzer, Jr. pleaded no contest to raping a 15 year-old girl and served 6-months in prison.
* Republican lobbyist Craig J. Spence organized child sex parties at the White House during the 1980s.
Republican party leader Bobby Stumbo arrested for having sex with a five year old boy.
* Republican County Commissioner David Swartz pleaded guilty to molesting two girls under the age of 11 and was sentenced to 8 years in prison.
* Republican County Chairman Armando Tebano arrested for sexually molesting a 14 yr old girl.
* Republican racist pedophile and United States Senator Strom Thurmond raped a 15-year old black girl which produced a child.
* Republican strategist and Citadel Military College graduate Robin Vanderwall was convicted in Virginia on five counts of soliciting sex from boys and girls over the internet.
* Spokane Republican homophobic mayor Jim West recalled after evidence surfaced that he molested little boys.
* Republican politician Keith Westmoreland was arrested on seven felony counts of lewd and lascivious exhibition to girls under the age of 16 (i.e. exposing himself to children).
* Republican preacher Stephen White, who demanded a return to traditional values, was sentenced to jail after offering $20 to a 14-year-old boy for permission to perform oral sex on him.
* Republican activist and James Dobson protege Steve Wilsey convicted of sexual assault after being charged with molesting an 8 year old boy.

Solving this enormous problem is an arduous task.  We need stronger laws, stronger enforcement, and we need to tear down this wall.  

If the next generation of children can grow up without having ever been abused, then meeting a conservative in 30 years may be just as common as meeting a green Martian.

Originally posted to davefromqueens on Fri Sep 01, 2006 at 07:48 AM PDT.

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  •  This is a tough subject (17+ / 0-)

    but I believe in the end that most people are conservatives because of how they were raised.

  •  Damn. What a list. Was that a Google? (1+ / 0-)
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  •  Good Diay - I Think You've Left 1 or 2 Things Out (2+ / 0-)
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    Poverty.  
    Money worries.  
    Stress at not having medical coverage and the bills that pile up from an accident or illness.

    Poverty leads to stress of all kinds and that stress can sometimes lead to abusive behaviour - even among non-conservatives / non-political types / or liberals.  Tempers flare.  Shouting matches turn to hitting.  Spouses or kids get in the way of the rage.

    As far as I'm concerned, the current lot in DC are responsible for a lot more pain and grief than you've mentioned above.

    Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering. -8.75 / -6.10

    by Alegre on Fri Sep 01, 2006 at 08:02:21 AM PDT

  •  Child abuse is fascism (9+ / 0-)

    The ultimate fascism is child abuse. Its victims are Prisoners of War without a Geneva Convention to protect them, hostages to terrorism. As in all concentration camps, some prisoners imitate the oppressors. No surprise that the uninterrupted transgenerational abuse of children produces the most fervent followers of fascism.

    by Andrew Vachss

    Poor me, I dig myself holes! Somebody marry me, I'm getting old! -- Sole

    by MediaRevolution on Fri Sep 01, 2006 at 08:03:57 AM PDT

  •  Wow! What a List!!! (5+ / 0-)

    As a corollary, conservatives, led by Mormons here in Arizona, have tried vigorously to raise the bar regarding the State's rights to remove children from abusive families.  Better to leave them there so they can't snitch about their abuse, right?

    Fortunately, Gov. Janet Napolitano prevailed, and CPS workers can remove abused children w/reasonable evidence.  I would bet money this is a national phenomenon.  

    Ya gotta just love those good ol' family values, huh???!!!

  •  Don't go there (0+ / 0-)

    You will not like the place it takes you to.

    •  Well... (4+ / 0-)

      I think it takes us to important places.  It helps us understand a larger psychological and social dynamics of our times.  Fascism isn't just this giant thing that happens from the top, it's a societal process which happens at the micro level, the personal level.  It's not a coincidence that fascism is linked to homophobia and sexism.  There's a link to child abuse, too.  It's all about an agressive form of control.

      The little opinion piece I quoted above also has this:

      And make no mistake, most fascists are followers—violent sheep "led" by a handful who are, in turn, driven as cattle by the actual leaders, the apolitical profiteers.

      I think there are four or five levels of predation here.

      Amongst the conservatives:

      1. There are the "apolitical profiteers" who push a fundamentalist, hateful dogma.
      1. There are their followers who have a level of power because they become mouthpieces for the above class, and spew the hate.
      1. There are the people in the list above, who subscribe to the hateful, controlling dogma, and abuse.
      1. Then there are the monsters, those were abused and who abuse, but aren't themselves directly political.
      1. And there are the children at the bottom of it all.

      The key element of totalitarianism/fascism: people become their own jailers, their own abusers... or at least the abusers of their own family and communities.

      If you want a challenging article, read this.  Because despite the links of conservatism to abuse, it is also they who go overboard in terms of creating a hysteria about attacks upon our children.  Of course, our children ARE in danger, and parents need to be worried about online predators, etc.  But some republicans' rhetoric equates all sex offenders with pedophilia (jeb bush) or mere homosexuality with pedophilia and bestiality (sanotorum, pat roberts).  This article talks about the scape-goating of sex offenders as a fascist phenomenon.

      There's so much more I could write about this.  What I've written so far is kind of a mess.  But it's important to understand the presence and effects of
      machismo in conservative culture.

      Poor me, I dig myself holes! Somebody marry me, I'm getting old! -- Sole

      by MediaRevolution on Fri Sep 01, 2006 at 08:38:38 AM PDT

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  •  Where there's abused children there's men (1+ / 0-)
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    As your own list shows.

  •  Solving the problem (2+ / 0-)
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    It's usually Republicans who point to stronger laws and stronger enforcement as a way to solve social problems, isn't it?

    •  on what issue??? (1+ / 0-)
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      the first way to solve the problem is to stop the abuse in childhood.

      As for stronger laws and enforcement, republicans have selective application of that concept.  

      •  No (0+ / 0-)

        That is not solving the problem. Stopping ongoing abuse is a mercy to the victim, but by then the damage has usually been done. Stronger laws and stronger enforcement do not prevent abuse...and only prevention "solves" the problem.

        I always thought it was the Democrats who got this and the Republicans who didn't. In fact, I always thought this was one of the very few areas in which Democrats had a strong and unambiguous advantage  over the Republicans...their philosophy on how to address social problems.

        How long have you been actively involved in the issue of child abuse?

        •  Sorry but I disagree here. (0+ / 0-)

          I'm not sure at all where you are coming from.

          "Stopping ongoing abuse is a mercy to the victim but by then the damage has usually been done."

          Speaking as someone raised in an abusive home, I don't like the idea of a government agency writing off a child abused at age three - "the damage has been done" - and allowing the abuse to continue for up to fifteen more years.

          The current state of affairs is that Child Protective Services and the foster care system is such a mess in most places that a child may actually be safer in their own home with a known abuser.  But that reflects the deeper divide in our society between providing government support for the most vulnerable in our society vs. having the lowest possible taxes.

          Speaking of prevention, who is a right-wing fundamentalist more likely to listen to?  Some liberal do-gooder who says that they shouldn't spank their child or their church authorities who demand that they use even harsher punishment?

          I personally believe that the threat of losing one's children and being sent to prison for seriously injuring a child does provide some deterrence - and that getting a child out of that situation sends a strong message to that child that the abuse they suffered was not normal, certainly not deserved and not condoned by society at large.  That's the best kind of prevention there is for the future generation.

  •  Wall? What wall? (0+ / 0-)

    we need to tear down this wall

    Which wall are you talking about?  I don't see any reference in your diary to a wall.

  •  This is Fair Game (3+ / 0-)

    The Repugs have tried to defend their overly-broad spying abilities under the Patriot Act by indicated that their right to electronic surveillance is necessary to foil child pornographers, implying that Dems are soft on child porn.  

    This diary points to some worthwhile, and little-known info as to the real roots of child abuse.

  •  gw and Karl (2+ / 0-)
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    If you look at gw's mom, she doesn't seem to have a 'loving way' about anything she does.  gw's dad likely a workaholic pursuing money or whatever in the CIA or being president or in the private sector.  That kind of coldness or absence of love can very well be the root of why george drank and was so awol in his youth.  The money factor generates arrogance, if he had grown up in a 'poor' home, it seems unlikely he would be arrogant.

    Now Karl had a rough time, father disappearing and mother's suicide I believe.  That was probably pure hell for him and likely created a break in his psyche. Not unlike the PTSD our troops are suffering but for different reasons.  I doubt to this day that Karl doesn't feel alot of pain about it.  Though it is easier for him to put those thoughts/feelings in a hidden place.

    The both of them project their anger outwardly now under the cover of being civil about it.  But nothing will ever satisfy them..money, power, death, whatever.

    Like in the movie "Tombstone" with Kurt Russell and Val Kilmer.  Val Kilmer tells 'Wyatt' that 'Johnny Ringo' has a giant hole in him that never gets filled, he is angry at the world because he was born into it.  It is the reckoning.

    "I would say the best moment of all was when I caught a 7.5lb perch in my lake" -gwb describing his greatest moment since becoming president in 2001.

    by FreeTradeIsYourEpitaph on Fri Sep 01, 2006 at 08:30:21 AM PDT

  •  Sexual abuse is the result of dominion. (4+ / 0-)

    Anytime you justify or place people in authority over others, some of those authoritative people will abuse their position, manifesting in sexual abuse.

    The conservative ideology favoring moral and social heirarchy, a top-down society if your will, always insures that someone has dominion over another person.  God has dominion over all, men have dominion over their wives, parents over children, employers over their employees, landowners over renters, and so on.  Exploitation of the powerless, sexual and otherwise is an obvious result.  Even if you believe in this viewpoint, human nature will dictate that power will corrupt into an exploitive relationship.  There is nothing in the conservative ideology that provides a check on power.

    The Southern Baptist Convention explicitly declared women to be under the dominion of their husbands several years back.  Many people left the church for more mainline denominations.  Since that time, the "evangelical" denominational lines have been blurred to the point where it is no longer necessary to self-identify the explicit dogma in this regard.  Therefore, the word of pastors speaks for itself.  The previous dogma is more fluid, and the understandings among congregants of various non-denominational churches is left to the attendents, and behavior is shaped by reward and punishments, as Dobson suggests be applied to kids.  

    •  dominionism (2+ / 0-)
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      This conservative structure invariably leads to abuse.  Conservatism is a dominionist philosophy while liberalism and progressivism are not.  And that's why one can google online and not find a single liberal child molester but can find 50 republican elected ones

    •  Authority is not quite the right word... (0+ / 0-)

      They use "authority," but that word implies power and agency and responsibility.

      These scumbags don't want - they detest- being held accountable for their actions.

      "It's better to realize you're a swan than to live life as a disgruntled duck."

      by Mumon on Fri Sep 01, 2006 at 09:28:09 AM PDT

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  •  I understand now (2+ / 0-)
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    I was always confused by the people who were so strongly anti-abortion but who were the least loving people ever.  Now I understand - abortions just eliminate the opportunity for a good lay.

  •  A personal reflection (7+ / 0-)

    The fundamentalist church I grew up in PREACHED child abuse.

    My sister and I, and our friends in Sunday school bore the bruises to show how successfully the flock was following the preacher's direction.  We were  sometimes too stiff and sore to play.

    When I decided that I could not stomach going to church anymore, at age fourteen, the church elders told my father to make me submit.  I was beaten until I literally could not stand, and missed two weeks of school.

    For all the good it did them.  They could make me go to church but they couldn't make me believe the bullshit and they couldn't make me happy to be there or friendly to anyone.  They couldn't keep me from making a completely different set of friends that they knew nothing about, and they couldn't keep me from leaving home as soon as I got old enough.

    They tried to break my will and save my soul but instead they lost me altogether.  I haven't talked to them in over twenty years.

  •  Nicely done. (2+ / 0-)
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    buckhorn okie, bluebrain

    And yet in their rhetoric, Rethugs continually string the words "pedophile" and "liberal" in the same sentences.

    Projection? I think so.

    [ Anyone who thinks my bark is worse than my bite, has never seen me bite. ] -6.63 | -5.38

    by dj angst on Fri Sep 01, 2006 at 09:00:45 AM PDT

  •  Our only notable: John Wayne Gacy (0+ / 0-)

    I think you're totally right, though, Gacy notwithstanding.

    The idea that you'd use ideology over pragmatism, observation, and simple humanity and care in raising children is itself child abuse.

    Dobson's all about child abuse; his views are highly repugnant.

    And his goal is, via the Stockholm Syndrome, to create a new generation of those who are easily scared into blind obedience to "our leaders."

    This is so evil...

    "It's better to realize you're a swan than to live life as a disgruntled duck."

    by Mumon on Fri Sep 01, 2006 at 09:17:01 AM PDT

  •  You bet this is fair game (2+ / 0-)
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    If we had 100 elected officials who committed child abuse and 50 would be called liberal and 50 would be called conservative, then statistically I would have no case that one ideology breeds abuse.

    But that is not the case.

    It is basically 98-99%.

    If we could have a whole generation of children who were never abused, a whole generation of children who get praised at least 7 times more than criticized, a family structure where the adults share, and a family structure where children are free to express their opinions in a civil manner, then

    Conservatism withers at the vine.

  •  Spare the rod, spoil the abuser (1+ / 0-)
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    davefromqueens

    Solving this enormous problem is an arduous task.  We need stronger laws, stronger enforcement, and we need to tear down this wall.

    People who punish too severely need to be severely punished?

    Spare the rod and spoil the abuser?

    I don't think the problem can be solved with more laws.  We don't sufficiently apply the ones we have already.

    There will always be a hardcore "conservative" (read authoritarian) movement.  We can't end that.  But we CAN win the bulk of its followers away from it with patience, education, and example.  We can demonstrate that children raised in enlightenment are healthier, happier, better socialized, and more productive.  We can help people recognize that when they overcontrol, they're not not doing it for the good of the child, they're just indulging their own appetites and weaknesses.

    Overwhelmingly, laws and punishment merely control.  They don't enlighten.  What could be more ironic than such an approach to misguided child nurture?

    Most authoritarian parents, although somewhat damaged, aren't bad people.  They're just laboring under the burden of bad ideas.  You can't even think of getting them to abandon their bad ideas until you've helped them understand some good ideas to replace them with.  

    When they say the two choices for living and bringing up children are the "values-based" approach they follow on the one hand and anarchy on the other, they believe it.  They have no notion of what we consider humane, enlightened values or practices.

    Even if laws are needed, education is needed first.  If you're going to tell people what they can't do, you'd better be showing them what they're supposed to do instead.

    •  What parents can do (0+ / 0-)
      1.  Vow not to hit a child or if you are one who believes in "spanking" make it rare.
      1.  Rarely if ever yell at a child.  When reprimanding or correcting, do it in a calm voice.
      1.  Compliment children as much as possible.  For every negative, counter it with a minimum of 7 positives.  Compliments can be for the simplest things such as sharing, saying something nice, a smile, etc...
      1.  Establish a few rules that are firmly and calmly enforced.  
      1.  Encourage children to share their opinions.
      1.  Have children involved in establishing their own rewards and punishments.  Very often they will come up with the exact consequence appropriate for the situation on their own.
      1.  When a child does something wrong, let them know that you love them and care about them but that you disagree with the behavior.  Separate the two.
    •  sorry but you're quite wrong (0+ / 0-)
      If there was ever a case for law and punishment, it's in the case where a child is being abused.

      If children are being abused, someone must stop that abuse, and the sooner the better.

      There's no "educating" pedophiles.  And there's no "educating" someone who was abused as a child and is convinced that they must abuse their own children.

      When an adult is abusing a child, that adult must be removed from society.  Period.

      The illegal we do immediately. The unconstitutional takes a little longer -- Henry Kissinger

      by theyrereal on Fri Sep 01, 2006 at 09:44:11 AM PDT

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  •  Wonder (0+ / 0-)

    if this is ann, rush, oreillys problem.. Abused as children so screw you attitude now..Dobson and other christian fundys have given real christians a bad name and I think should be exposed for what they teach...Hate is not a family value..

  •  Sexual repression and abuse (2+ / 0-)
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    tamman2000, davefromqueens

    I have believed that anytime you get sexual repression you get sexual deviance, and when you make sexual repression a cultural model well that just compounds the problem.  Look at the priesthood.  Look at conservatives.  Serial rapists and murderers typically come from very austere and strict upbringings.  When are people going to learn that if you don't express your sexuality in a healthy way you are more likely to express it in an unhealthy one?

    Its all about balance.

  •  Moralizing blowhards (2+ / 0-)
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    The debate over cause and effect (does being a pedophile make you a Republican, or vice versa?) is interesting, but obviously unsolveable -- and more important, secondary. The reason this amazing list has political merit is that it dramatically highlights a long-standing issue in the ascendency of right-wing moral blowhards: the fact that their philosophy is wrong.

    It's not that each and every moralizing blowhard is him or herself wrong because he's a reprehensible hypocrite, (i.e, preaching Zero Tolerance for Pederasts during the day, then buggering their children at night). But the endless procession of Republican child-abusers -- and the lack of same among Democrats -- seems a noteworthy phenomenon, given that Republicans ARE the party of moralizing blowhards, and that the long parade of GOPederasts seems to indicate that, for certain problems, moral hectoring just doesn't work.

    It's the same reason I believe that every single closeted Republican homosexual politician should be outed: their party's ACTUAL STAND on issues related to homosexuality is undermined by the existence of EVERY SINGLE gay Republican who declines to choose heterosexuality. But unless we point that out, no one will ever know that REPUBLICANS THEMSELVES prove that GOP policy on homosexuality is, not simply hypocritical, not merely cruel, but actually WRONG.

    "Limousine Liberal" -- in essence, a charge of hypocrisy -- retains its political punch, in part because it does describe something real, and in part because of the lovely alliteration. "NAMBLA Conservative" lacks alliteration. But as this excellent diary shows, the phenomenon it describes is real. My argument is that it's also relevant.

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