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I have been reading with interest the various discussions with regard to Congressman Mark Foley. I am a White House Intern and have been in personal contact with Congressman Foley on numerous occasions.

Today I Googled Congressman Foley and came upon this website:

http://www.stopsexpredators.blogspot.com/

I was just shocked by what I found. I am especially upset by the dismissive attitudes I found on the web from those who know about Congressman Foley's bad behavior in Washington. I'm sure his conservative base in Florida would not approve of him sending these suggestive and leading emails to underage interns.

Originally posted to WHInternNow on Sun Sep 24, 2006 at 11:25 AM PDT.

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  •  Well (2+ / 0-)
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    DC Pol Sci, kestrel9000

    I hope you enjoyed your time being a White House intern if you are indeed one. For first of all I don't think that they would appreciate you posting negative information about Mark Foley, who is a Republican supportive of Bush. Also they might be tracking your IP to find out who you are and what computer you posted on.

    http://www.keen.com/jiacinto For DC related travel advice, please visit that link.

    by jiacinto on Sun Sep 24, 2006 at 11:29:59 AM PDT

  •  A question: (0+ / 0-)

    I am Pakled. I am not smart. I can not make it go.
    Why is this tagged "Troll Diary?"

  •  hmmm let me see (3+ / 0-)

    First signed on with Kos in September 06 - has not made one comment to anyone;s diary

    So yes - it likely is listed correctly --

    Proud to be a Bleeding Heart Liberal

    by sara seattle on Sun Sep 24, 2006 at 12:06:42 PM PDT

  •  This diary makes an accusation... (3+ / 0-)
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    highacidity, kestrel9000, jlove1982

    ...a serious accusation, but provides no evidence to back it up.

    (except for that silly blogspot link that is probably his/hers)

    That's why it is a troll diary

      •  To me, this points out the futility of deciding (9+ / 0-)

        you're (or anyone deciding they're) the diary police.

        You don't know, so why not just leave the thing sit there. As Thumper the rabbit's mother said, if you don't have... well you know.

        It isn't that you can't dis*agree*, but why add an attack to the lack of agreement?

        Sorry, the "I'll whack this person with troll labels" attitude just bothers me. Why not just read another essay on the site instead?

        Be good to each other. It matters.

        by AllisonInSeattle on Sun Oct 01, 2006 at 01:50:20 AM PDT

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        •  that was unnecessary... (1+ / 0-)
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          tlh lib

          At the time, these were unsubstantiated accusations.

          And now they are co-oberated.

          Unsubstantiated accusations = Troll Diary

          Turned out that the accusations were accurate.

          At the time... unsubstantiated.

          At the time...  Troll Diary

          •  A fact is a fact (9+ / 0-)

            and doesn't change its nature depending on whether you have corroboration to suit your satisfaction.  

            This is one of the reasons being a whistle-blower is so difficult.  Even those with an interest in your information and the ability to do something with it are prone to treat you like dirt.  It's very frustrating.

            Something we as bloggers need to learn.  As the blogs become an established and permanent part of the information flow, as with any other information nexus, people will plant leaks on  the blogs.  They needn't immediately be accepted as true, but one should either actively research or at least file away such posts rather than trying to drive off the source.  If bloggers are to be "citizen journalists", that means adopting journalistic practices.  In this case, kossacks acted like MSM journalists that blew something off because it wasn't in our existing narrative.  A true journalist follows where the facts lead and is not in a rush to judgement.

            •  I just lost my TU status (0+ / 0-)

              as I posted a lot of Freudian comments. I can see now why Freud changed his incest theory to phantasy of incest. Just suggesting incestual feelings, but no actions, has gotten me troll ratings.

              So many disagreed, so many who never studied Freud as I have, so I think the thing to do when the flaming starts is to troll rate back at your commenters. Make the process invalid when it is used because  someone heatedly disagrees with what you have said.

              This is a good example here of that mentality here and it needs to be addressed seriously.

          •  I still disagree (6+ / 0-)
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            laurak, joejoejoe, Woody, grndrush, moiv, awakenow

            Some of the members here -- sounds like you're one, but irrelevant -- see dailyKos as a place that has to be "right". That has to be "policed". And they decide they they're going to keep it correct by being the policemen.

            I don't see it that way, and many others don't either. I see it as a place for a free flow of ideas. For people to post things that they know about from their unique perspective in the world. This diary completely fits that last category.

            Myself, I'd read it and think, "Hm. Interesting, wonder if that's true or not. The person sure sounds sincere!"

            People with the "diary police" mindset read it and start shrilling that the author is bad, that they should have written the diary differently, in other words, that the diary should be "Just The Way The Diary Police Want It" [tm]. For me, that reaction is embarassing.

            The DP (Diary Police) are embarassed by diaries that they think are off the beaten path, I'm embarassed by DP's(Diary Police)  browbeating diarists.

            If the diary sucks, it'll probably sink. End of story. No need to run around flailing arms pointing at it and making the author feel 2 inches tall.

            In my opinion. I'm not the only one to say this. Mentaldebris went on quite the rant about it a while back. I also think the DP concept comes from some sort of worship of how important the site is. It's a nice entity... but it shouldn't inspire cult-like worship, with devotional rules. (Otherwise phrased: Sheesh, lighten up, don't take this place or yourself of any one diary so seriously.) Again, just in my personal opinion.

            If you're having an exchange of ideas, the first thing to do is NOT start accusing the other person. Because then you're in some kind of a battle, not an exchange.

            Be good to each other. It matters.

            by AllisonInSeattle on Mon Oct 02, 2006 at 01:38:30 AM PDT

            [ Parent ]

          •  I still disagree (0+ / 0-)

            Some of the members here -- sounds like you're one, but irrelevant -- see dailyKos as a place that has to be "right". That has to be "policed". And they decide they they're going to keep it correct by being the policemen.

            I don't see it that way, and many others don't either. I see it as a place for a free flow of ideas. For people to post things that they know about from their unique perspective in the world. This diary completely fits that last category.

            Myself, I'd read it and think, "Hm. Interesting, wonder if that's true or not. The person sure sounds sincere!"

            People with the "diary police" mindset read it and start shrilling that the author is bad, that they should have written the diary differently, in other words, that the diary should be "Just The Way The Diary Police Want It" [tm]. For me, that reaction is embarassing.

            The DP (Diary Police) are embarassed by diaries that they think are off the beaten path, I'm embarassed by DP's(Diary Police)  browbeating diarists.

            If the diary sucks, it'll probably sink. End of story. No need to run around flailing arms pointing at it and making the author feel 2 inches tall.

            In my opinion. I'm not the only one to say this. Mentaldebris went on quite the rant about it a while back. I also think the DP concept comes from some sort of worship of how important the site is. It's a nice entity... but it shouldn't inspire cult-like worship, with devotional rules. (Otherwise phrased: Sheesh, lighten up, don't take this place or yourself of any one diary so seriously.) Again, just in my personal opinion.

            If you're having an exchange of ideas, the first thing to do is NOT start accusing the other person. Because then you're in some kind of a battle, not an exchange.

            Be good to each other. It matters.

            by AllisonInSeattle on Mon Oct 02, 2006 at 01:39:09 AM PDT

            [ Parent ]

            •  I'm with you Allison, (1+ / 0-)
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              AllisonInSeattle

              The same thing happened here, with even less reason that I could see (the diarist was someone with a good solid history in this case) for all the grief he was given. Even more disgraceful was the fact that neither of those (a couple of the site's most rabid "enforcers" IMO) who had completely savaged the author the day before, had the courage to apologize when, the very next day, the diarist's story was substantiated in every detail..

              Behold the Lambs of Kos.

              by greeseyparrot on Wed Oct 04, 2006 at 06:52:51 PM PDT

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              •  Thanks for the post and moral courage (1+ / 0-)
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                pb

                That's what it is, to post about this stuff here.

                Why, the "enforcers" might target me if I stand up to them! Better keep quiet!

                Bullies are bullies. I'm going to keep your meme, your frame, "the enforcers". It's a good call.

                Peace out -- and thanks for your work in support of positive Dems, which I'm just sure you're doing in addition to posting here.   :-)

                Be good to each other. It matters.

                by AllisonInSeattle on Wed Oct 04, 2006 at 11:58:20 PM PDT

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      •  I just had a feeling........n/t (0+ / 0-)

        Hastert, Boehner, Reynolds, Shimkus: Resign from Congress. NOW. Then: SHUT IT DOWN anyway.

        by kestrel9000 on Tue Oct 03, 2006 at 05:24:52 PM PDT

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  •  save, print and disclose the suggestive emails (0+ / 0-)

    or don't make the accusation.

  •  seems you were right and no one listened (8+ / 0-)

    if you or anyone you know ever wants to break a story here again, try to provide some more evidence or at least hint about where we might find it.  
    We are sensitive about anything that looks like a rumor coming back to bit us in the butt.

  •  Thank you for taking this step (7+ / 0-)

    to post this diary. It was a good idea, whether you got crap for it or not.

    If you're in the same situation again, to possibly take a risk like this, please do it.

    Sooner or later, enough people posting about something like this, and the word gets out.  (As we now know.)

    Thanks again.

    Be good to each other. It matters.

    by AllisonInSeattle on Sat Sep 30, 2006 at 09:45:29 PM PDT

  •  Ridiculous! (3+ / 0-)
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    peace voter, moiv, blueoasis

    If Mark Foley has been hitting on House pages, surely we'd all know about it by now!

    </snark>

    My apologies to students who took my U.S. Government class in the 90s: evidently the Constitution doesn't limit Presidential power after all. Who knew?

    by Major Danby on Sun Oct 01, 2006 at 04:22:08 PM PDT

  •  could you let us all know what you knew and when? (2+ / 0-)
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    peace voter, blueoasis

    Or not, whatever...I respect your privacy. In any case, my compliments on your UserID, and my apologies if you really are legit. (I have expressed my doubts.)

    Under George Bush, we're all White House Interns.

  •  Thanks for this diary (0+ / 0-)

    It just came to my attention.  I followed the link to your blogspot - please come back and post here at dailykos again - you will undoubtedly get a better reception if you return.

    ```
    peace

  •  I'm sure he/she will show up soon... (2+ / 0-)
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    The Sinistral, Vereker

    After such a warm reception, I can't imagine why the diarist wouldn't be back!

    Scary Republican Quote of the Day: People like you are the reason if I saw someone else's kids on fire, I wouldn't throw water on them to put it out.

    by cowgirl on Mon Oct 02, 2006 at 02:42:39 AM PDT

  •  your comment on September 5th (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    peace voter

    mentioned "Republican bosses scared to death." Even if those aren't exactly your words (and I think there are some thrown voices here and on Stop Sex Predators, authentic voices, but with the hallmarks of lawyerly vetting, perhaps?) I must now concede: there's no reason to doubt you, since every other fact seems to have checked out.

    So the Republicans knew all about this. So this scandal will metastasize. I get it.

    Funny, as Bill O'Reilly just said a moment ago on his show, "if they knew about this, it's over." Another person just asked what would happen if the left wing won the culture war.

    Well guess what? The GOP just lost the culture war. Protecting the Foley racket like that, how disgusting. They knew!!

    •  How could the GOP ignore that e-mail from Foley (1+ / 0-)
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      peace voter

      which talked about that 16-year-old friend's body? How could they take the word of the predator over that of an intern? This wasn't only about a recommendation from Foley. How could they ignore all those warnings about him going back to 2001?

      WHInternNow, I share your outrage. That first email exchange would have been a red flag for any parent in America. Why did the GOP ignore it? Why not start an investigation then and there, interviewing other pages? Why take the word of the predator? When it came to Foley, the GOP leadership told pages to fend for themselves. That's outrageous! What kind of advice is that?

      You know, there's nothing wrong with finding help or solidarity with people who are web- or media-savvy, or who know the political ropes. Foley was powerful, the GOP is powerful, and a young person needs to feel safe before telling stories like this. That I'm fascinated with "Stop Sex Predators" and the origins of this scandal doesn't take away from my genuine admiration for the young men who were brave enough to blow the whistle here. Foley needed to be stopped, his enablers held to account. You're doing the right thing, and I applaud you for that.

  •  NOTE NOTE NOTE: (2+ / 0-)
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    dannyinla, Vereker

    I have restored the tag "Troll Diary" to this diary. You will note in the comment thread that I questioned its initial application. That is why i have restored it: I wish it to be remmebered that this was discarded out of hand and turned out to be entirely valid.
    I mean this as a cautionary tale.

    Hastert, Boehner, Reynolds, Shimkus: Resign from Congress. NOW. Then: SHUT IT DOWN anyway.

    by kestrel9000 on Tue Oct 03, 2006 at 05:53:40 PM PDT

  •  i'm sorry i dared you to come back (0+ / 0-)

    I guess i thought you were playing out some scheme, laying crumbs. I dared you to show yourself with a recc or a comment. I wanted to try to tease more out of you. I was even planning a diary.

    I figured it was you who sent the emails to the site you linked to, and you were just pointing the way to us. I was thinking in terms of cutouts, and whatnot.

    But i now think it's a lot less complicated than that. As others have already said here, thanks for posting this. And i hope i didn't give you the wrong impression with the "i dare you" talk.

    Of course, you probably signed up here because you wanted to start a Saturday Morning Stained-Glass Blogging feature, but that idea's now shot to hell because you've become a star here. Our own JD Salinger (sorry, Armando).

    Them's the breaks, kid.

  •  Wow! Who added the 'Cassandra' tag? (1+ / 0-)
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    sbdenmon

    Nice work!

  •  I suspect this is our diarist (4+ / 0-)
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    pb, Sharon in MD, sbdenmon, cowgirl
    from an article in The Hill

    Longtime Republican was source of e-mails

    http://www.hillnews.com/...

    The source who in July gave news media Rep. Mark Foley's (R-Fla.) suspect e-mails to a former House page says the documents came to him from a House GOP aide.

    That aide has been a registered Republican since becoming eligible to vote, said the source, who showed The Hill public records supporting his claim.

    The same source, who acted as an intermediary between the aide-turned-whistleblower and several news outlets, says the person who shared the documents is no longer employed in the House.
    But the whistleblower was a paid GOP staffer when the documents were first given to the media.
    The source bolstered the claim by sharing un-redacted e-mails in which the former page first alerted his congressional sponsor's office of Foley's attentions. The copies of these e-mails, now available to the public, have the names of senders and recipients blotted out.

    If you go to the website linked to be the diarist, you will see these emails with the redacted names. You'll note that the website began in July 2006.

    The person who provided the e-mails to several D.C.-based news outlets in July claimed to have no knowledge of who gave them to two Florida papers last year.

    D.C.-based media organizations declined to report on the e-mails. But one, ABC News, reported on the e-mails last week after a Weblog, stopsexpredators.blogspot.com, published a few of the exchanges between Foley and the former page. But those blog-reported  e-mails did not include correspondence between the page and a House aide in which the teen expressed anxiety about Foley's intentions.

    The Hill article ends with this

    So while the primary source of the e-mails which kicked off the scandal was a House GOP aide, the trigger of the news coverage was the weblog.

    The creator of stopsexpreditors.blogspot.com is unknown. An interview request e-mailed to the site was not returned.


  •  October 4 message from the blog (2+ / 0-)
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    pb, cowgirl
    frm the stopsexpredators blog

    Wednesday, October 04, 2006
    READ THIS
    Hello Folks. Maybe I'm not so happy that so many people are coming to this blog site.

    I'm not interested in media interviews. Thank you for your interest, but if you were doing your job to begin with, Mark Foley would have been exposed a long time ago. Instead of wanting to do a story about this blog, how about covering the fact that the media sat on this story for over a year. You're as bad as the Congressional Leadership that covered for Foley.

    In case you didn't notice, all of the comments on the blog are gone? Wonder why? Because there are so many awful people out there. I started getting threats, so I decided that if somebody was going to threaten me, they were going to have to email me directly. So, they have continued to do so. There is no logical reason for someone to be so angry. I understand that the ramifications of these emails is far and wide. Much farther than I could ever have imagined. Regardless, think about how awareness has been raised.

    AND.....here are the answers to some questions that have been posed. I am not Karl Rove, Mark Foley, or John Boehner. I am not employed in Democratic politics. I am not 'funded' by George Soros. I'm nobody that anybody should care about. So, please, go about your day as if I don't exist. If you have something that needs to be posted on this site, please let me know.

  •  Foley hitting on WH interns too? (1+ / 0-)
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    pb

    So was Foley also hitting on the White House interns?

    Katrina was America's Chernobyl.

    by lysias on Thu Oct 05, 2006 at 05:26:46 AM PDT

  •  this may be the post that brought down the GOP (0+ / 0-)

    "The delusional is no longer marginal"-Kevin Philips, "American Theocracy"

    by politicaljunkie2008 on Sun Oct 08, 2006 at 03:24:10 PM PDT

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