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Mark Foley (D-Florida) was featured in Bill O'Reilly's show. D-Florida!  This is something lying Bill should NOT get away with.

I think the democratic party could sue Fox News for libel: by falsely casting a known pederast as a member, they damage the reputation of the Democratic party. The important thing wouldn't be to win the lawsuit but to have it be very long and very public, thus accomplishing: 1) keeping the Foley story alive, 2) making the media repeat the fact that Fox news lied 3) dispelling the notion that either Fox News or Bill O' Reilly are fair and balanced 4) sending the message that Dems WILL stand up to the lies of the right wing media.

UPDATE: The libel charge would NOT rest on the fact that Foley is gay. It would rest on the fact that Foley is a PEDERAST. The right wing is trying to confuse the two things. We should not do the same. It is not libelous to say an organization has gay members. It is certainly libelous to say it has PEDERASTS. UPDATE II: Look, the right wing could never achieve power because of their ideological superiority or popular appeal. They got to power by being viscious and persistent. We must be as persistent as they are, and agressively respond to every viscious attack. UPDATE III: In the comments, it has been suggested that, instead of suing, it would be wise to file a complaint with the FCC. Sounds sensible. UPDATE IV: Can you libel a group? I don't know, but just in case you can't; individual democrats could sue for libel (for example, Nancy Pelosi)

Originally posted to Mr Bula on Wed Oct 04, 2006 at 08:55 AM PDT.

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  •  Tips (n/t) (2+ / 0-)
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    pb, chemsmith

    touche pas à mon pote!, -7.63, -6.56

    by Mr Bula on Wed Oct 04, 2006 at 08:54:35 AM PDT

  •  I think they want us to sue (0+ / 0-)

    Then they can call us gay-bashers, because we're outraged at having a homosexual falsely attributed to our party.
    Really, I think they're waiting for use to call this libel, so they can turn around and say "what, saying a gay man is a Democrat is libel? How does that insult your party?"
    Remember: Foley is a Republican, yes.  But that isn't the scandal.  The scandal is the cover-up by the Republican Speaker, the Republican Majority Leader, the Republican Chair of the Page Board, and the Republican head of the NRCC.  They covered up his actions to protect his seat and his ability to raise money for the party.  This is not about being gay, abused by a priest, or being a sexual predator.  It's about the lack of response by those sworn to protect.

    "Do not go where the path may lead, go instead where there is no path and leave a trail."- Emerson

    by Sidof79 on Wed Oct 04, 2006 at 08:57:30 AM PDT

    •  the scandal is not that Foley is gay (2+ / 0-)
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      pb, viscerality

      it is that Foley is a PEDERAST.

      Gay does not equal pederast. Make those two things the same is gay bashing.

      I don't think they want us to sue, I think they are desperate.

      touche pas à mon pote!, -7.63, -6.56

      by Mr Bula on Wed Oct 04, 2006 at 09:00:08 AM PDT

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      •  The scandal is the coverup (0+ / 0-)

        Let the great world spin for ever down the ringing grooves of change. - Tennyson

        by bumblebums on Wed Oct 04, 2006 at 09:04:19 AM PDT

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      •  I wasn't trying to make them to be the same (1+ / 0-)
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        Mr Bula

        I understand perfectly the difference (homosexuals are not sexual predators, and sexual predators are not homosexuals).  I'm just predicting how it will be spun.
        Yes, I think it's deplorable what Fox News (and other outlets) have done.  I think it is a new low for them, which says a lot.  I have written to local media, including all TV networks and newspapers.  But I don't think the Democrats themselves should take any action.  Let it remain a response by the outraged citizens.

        "Do not go where the path may lead, go instead where there is no path and leave a trail."- Emerson

        by Sidof79 on Wed Oct 04, 2006 at 09:05:54 AM PDT

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        •  I know you understand the difference (0+ / 0-)

          but the right wing is trying to blur a line between two very different things, making this scandal an opportunity for gay bashing.

          I don't know if outraged citizens will be enough. It has to be a response so big the media cannot ignore it. The democratic party suing Fox News is about the right size.

          touche pas à mon pote!, -7.63, -6.56

          by Mr Bula on Wed Oct 04, 2006 at 09:08:23 AM PDT

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      •  Pederast, predator, perp. Also -- (0+ / 0-)

        Protected (by his cronies)
        Public (official misusing his position). Therefore:

        Prosecute (his ass)

        ________

        Interestingly, Tony Snow's take was:

        Prankster (as in 'naughty e-mails')

    •  I dont think so (4+ / 0-)
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      pb, Mr Bula, viscerality, Sidof79

      I think its pretty obvious that this is not about being gay, but about being a child molester. If people dont understand the difference, it is all the more reason to bring this up.

      I mean, Christ, this implies that the general perception is that Democrats=gay friendly, and gay=child molester. If that is the case then we have a lot more to worry about from this scandal than the Republicans!

      •  People like Tony Perkins (0+ / 0-)

        are trying to blur the line between gay and pederast (it is an enormous line, but not in the information bubble of a lot of americans). Progressives need to confront this obfuscation, it will not do to just let it go.

        touche pas à mon pote!, -7.63, -6.56

        by Mr Bula on Wed Oct 04, 2006 at 09:12:47 AM PDT

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  •  need to sue AP then, too (2+ / 0-)
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    pb, Mr Bula

    Associated Press just did the same thing.

  •  It's not worth the bother in this case (2+ / 0-)
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    Mr Bula, arnott

    I'll bet that most of the people that watch O'Riley don't even notice the writen material at the bottom of the screen.  Reading and thinking are really such a bother.

    "An inglorious peace is better than a dishonorable war."-Mark Twain

    by coloradocomet on Wed Oct 04, 2006 at 09:01:23 AM PDT

    •  I know that's a joke (4+ / 0-)
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      pb, espresso, viscerality, ubertar

      but I believe it's really, really important to hit back. This can only be intentional, malicious lying, there is no room for claiming honest mistakes or gray areas... Foley is a republican!!!
      Progressives need to be as intense and combative as right wingers.

      touche pas à mon pote!, -7.63, -6.56

      by Mr Bula on Wed Oct 04, 2006 at 09:02:54 AM PDT

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    •  I TOTALLY DISAGREE!!! (1+ / 0-)
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      Mr Bula

      My mom is the type who only watches Fox. And she fucking HATES Dems. SHE WILL NOTICE and it absolutely influences her opinions of Dems. I wouldn't be surprised if she thinks Foley is a Dem.

      Whackos get their info thru the Christian right. We'll bring them out to vote against something and make sure the public lets the whole thing slip past them.

      by chemsmith on Wed Oct 04, 2006 at 11:42:59 AM PDT

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  •  Can you libel a party? (0+ / 0-)

    My understanding, although IANAL, is that you can't libel a group.

  •  Not lawsuits, ridicule (0+ / 0-)

    FOX News doesn't even know the members of its own Republican Party?  Don't they have fact checkers?  Don't they have editors and producers?

    FOX News certainly is inaccurate.  And talk about a mistake!  Labeling a Congressman with the wrong political party?  FOX News is either very dumb or does very shoddy work.  Some 'news' organization....

    •  Both (1+ / 0-)
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      Mr Bula

      A lawsuit would help keep it in the public eye, and help people realize that our "liberal" media is really the Republcan Media.

      Whackos get their info thru the Christian right. We'll bring them out to vote against something and make sure the public lets the whole thing slip past them.

      by chemsmith on Wed Oct 04, 2006 at 11:43:55 AM PDT

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  •  He's a public figure, so it's hard to (0+ / 0-)

    collect damages to begin with. But it is only fair for O'Reilly to be forced to run a correction. Al Franken has roundly criticized O'Reilly in the past, so most Dems know what to expect, but it would be nice to remind O'Reilly how flawed his "rigourous" fact-checking operation is. O'Reilly is a known blowhard, sort of the Krusty the Clown of Faux Network's conservative scream machine. Better to file it as a complaint with the FCC, as more evidence to eventually yank Fox's TV licences.

  •  I agree (1+ / 0-)
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    Mr Bula

    Simply put, it would make sense to push this to the forefront. What O'Reilly/FOX did was very bad, to project a Republican pedophile/criminal as a Republican. No excuses, period.

    Now, I guess if Fox "apologizes" well, then there's not much we can do, maybe. Point is, this is really a stupdendous example of what Fox is about. I personally printed out the picture of the screen capture (of Foley being labeled as D, along w/explanation that he's really an R) and taped it to my door here at work. It's the only political thing I've ever taped to my door. If anyone asks, I'll just say, "pretty funny, huh" and let them think about it...

    I think many people in this country get nearly 100% of their news from O'Reilly. I have absolutely no doubt many now think Foley is a Dem, and that will influence their vote.

    Whackos get their info thru the Christian right. We'll bring them out to vote against something and make sure the public lets the whole thing slip past them.

    by chemsmith on Wed Oct 04, 2006 at 11:41:09 AM PDT

    •  that's good (0+ / 0-)

      More people should do this, grassroots information, guerrilla warfare. Maybe you should do a diary on this, invite more people to do the same?

      touche pas à mon pote!, -7.63, -6.56

      by Mr Bula on Wed Oct 04, 2006 at 11:43:40 AM PDT

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      •  I've always wanted (0+ / 0-)

        to print out small cards, like business cards, with talking points. Some would simply list the crimes of the Bush admin, or of Rethugs. Some would print positives about Dems. Or ways to frame issues that help Dems. Things like that. Then I would simply leave them laying about, all over town. Restaurants..everywhere. Can't hurt. It would be a way to fight back against "talk radio" and the right-wing media.

        The cards would be professional and not shrill. They would just display facts for people to see and think about.

        Whackos get their info thru the Christian right. We'll bring them out to vote against something and make sure the public lets the whole thing slip past them.

        by chemsmith on Wed Oct 04, 2006 at 11:47:04 AM PDT

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        •  Well (1+ / 0-)
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          Cartoon Messiah

          there are some "cards" that goe through the hands of americans every day. They are called dollar bills.

          Right now, write the words "Mark Foley is a republican congressman and a Pederast" in every piece of money you have.

          touche pas à mon pote!, -7.63, -6.56

          by Mr Bula on Wed Oct 04, 2006 at 11:50:43 AM PDT

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    •  typo (1+ / 0-)
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      Mr Bula

      I meant, "as a Democrat"

      Whackos get their info thru the Christian right. We'll bring them out to vote against something and make sure the public lets the whole thing slip past them.

      by chemsmith on Wed Oct 04, 2006 at 11:44:36 AM PDT

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