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SurveyUSA. 10/03. All adults in NY-26. MoE 4.2% (No trend lines)

Based on what you know now, do you approve, or do you disapprove, of the job New York congressman Tom Reynolds has done in response to contact between congressmen and teenage pages?

Approve 20
Disapprove 66

Now, there's no screening for registered voters or likely voters or a head-to-head with his Democratic opponent Jack Davis. I suspect those numbers are coming (it takes longer to collect screened numbers than just the first 500 adults they reach at home).

But this shows just how deep discontent to how Reynolds has handled the matter in his own district, and given the low number of undecideds (14%), it's clear that the story has gotten serious attention and traction in the district. This is Reynold's biggest nightmare.

And this is the guy in charge of ensuring GOP majorities in the House this fall. That's why he looked the other way rather than confront a sexual predator in the GOP caucus. It was better to suffer a dangerous predator than risk having to spend millions defending Foley's seat. And even when Foley expressed interest in retiring, Reynolds insisted he stick around.

But now, instead of working for a continued House majority, Reynolds is en route to an ignoble and well-deserved defeat.

On the web: Jack Davis for Congress

Originally posted to Daily Kos on Wed Oct 04, 2006 at 06:20 PM PDT.

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  •  Tom (20+ / 0-)

    time to get more kids for the next press conference. Stay the course, stay the course. ;)

    "Our country right or wrong. When right, to be kept right; when wrong, to be put right" - Carl Schurz

    by RBH on Wed Oct 04, 2006 at 06:19:05 PM PDT

  •  An idiot (9+ / 0-)

    What an idiot. Seriously, the FL district Foley was in wasn't that hard to hold. Florida, for some reason, seems to be continuing a trend red-ward, and that district wasn't exactly a liberal one anyway.

    Idiocy and moral bankruptcy is never a good combination.

  •  Not to mention, (4+ / 0-)

    Jack Davis was one of my favorite Mad Magazine artists.

    Oh wait...different guy? Hmm. Well, can we at least get Mort Drucker to run?

    "I told them on Inauguration Day. I said look into my eyes: no new enhancements." - President Johnny Gentle (Famous Crooner)

    by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner on Wed Oct 04, 2006 at 06:21:21 PM PDT

  •  bye, tom. (6+ / 0-)

    ya chickenshit jackass. i'm sure they love ya up there in the 26th for hiding behind children, too.

    how sweet will it be to take out the chair of the NRCC?

    sweet. damn sweet indeed.

    "joke about the rapture here"

    send NYBri to the NY state senate!

    by lipris on Wed Oct 04, 2006 at 06:22:13 PM PDT

    •  Suffer? (6+ / 0-)

      And this is the guy in charge of ensuring GOP majorities in the House this fall. That's why he looked the other way rather than confront a sexual predator in the GOP caucus. It was better to suffer a dangerous predator than risk having to spend millions defending Foley's seat. And even when Foley expressed interest in retiring, Reynolds insisted he stick around.

      Suffer? This clown or his kids didn't suffer at all from a 'preditor'. Which is why he just didn't give a rats ass.Someone elses problem.

      it tastes like burning...

      by eastvan on Wed Oct 04, 2006 at 06:33:37 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Bingo (2+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        Miss Blue, saucy monkey

        That's what I keep saying around here: The conservative credo for almost any situation that doesn't involve them personally is "not my problem."

        These are unfeeling, pathological creeps who hide behind the rhetoric of rugged individualism to excuse their own inaction.  Inner city schools are underfunded?  Let them work it out.  Katrina victims are stranded and without food, water, and medicine?  Blame it on someone else.  Foley the predator got caught?  Must be those "beasts" in the page system.  

        These are the people who will gladly cut down society's safety net and burn it to keep their toes warm on a cool summer night.

  •  Torture Reynolds to Get the Truth (6+ / 0-)

    Rendition him on a black flight to a waterboard and extreme pain center in Egypt and make him tell the truth.  These radical Muslim Christian men must be humiliated.  Rendition and Perdition!

    This is us governing. Live so that 100 years from now, someone might be proud of us.

    by marthature on Wed Oct 04, 2006 at 06:22:19 PM PDT

  •  Woohoo (3+ / 0-)
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    mattes, BobOak, nonnie9999

    Don't let the door hit you on the way out Tom.

  •  He's the one that surrounded (9+ / 0-)

    himself with kids at the daycare isn't he?Creepy. Very creepy. He didn't think that would work did he? Another republican't in a State of Denial.

    it tastes like burning...

    by eastvan on Wed Oct 04, 2006 at 06:23:40 PM PDT

  •  Burn baby, burn (4+ / 0-)
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    lipris, rabel, BobOak, Iowa Boy

    comeupance is such a bitch.

  •  only two explanations (5+ / 0-)

    for what appears to be the GOP leadership's utter stupidity and tone deafness

    1. They actually are this stupidly arrogant;
    1. Institutionalized pedophilia is much, much more widespread than we can imagine and the leadership would rather lose the House for 2 years than have it all exposed.
  •  What were the polls before Foley broke? (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    jj32, BobOak, Iowa Boy

    Sir Thomas More: What would you do? Cut a great road through the law to get after the [Devil] [al Qaeda]?

    by Bill White on Wed Oct 04, 2006 at 06:25:59 PM PDT

    •  A tie (6+ / 0-)

      45%-Reynolds, 43%-Davis.
      Link. Oh, and the Green candidate, who was polling 8% is off the ballot. Looking good for Davis right now.

      The Republican leadership acted quickly on this scandal. They immediately moved Mark Foley to another parish -Dave Letterman

      by jj32 on Wed Oct 04, 2006 at 06:32:55 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  dead heat (2+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      Bill White, Ellicatt

      Reynolds 2 pts ahead in a completely gerrymandered, tailor made for him by Dick Cheney himself district.

      Reynolds with tons of money, much more than Davis, blasting Davis.

      It's pretty obvious Reynolds has some paid bloggers running around too.

      http://www.noslaves.com http://forum.noslaves.com

      by BobOak on Wed Oct 04, 2006 at 06:34:26 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Okay, Reynolds is toast (1+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        BobOak

        Cool! :-)

        Sir Thomas More: What would you do? Cut a great road through the law to get after the [Devil] [al Qaeda]?

        by Bill White on Wed Oct 04, 2006 at 06:35:04 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

      •  Gerrymandered? (2+ / 0-)
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        JDPITALIA, BobOak

        How do the rethugs get to gerrymander districts in a blue state like NY?

        "The United States, as the world knows, will never start a war...we shall also do our part to build a world of peace..." -John. F. Kennedy

        by bluestatedude on Wed Oct 04, 2006 at 06:36:38 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  Through divided government... (3+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          BobOak, Ellicatt, BenJah

          Because the state has a Democratic Assembly and a Republican Senate, and has for years.  Combine that with a Republican governor and the result was an incumbent protection plan, essentially.

          However, the original proposal from a panel of judges was much more evenhanded, keeping counties together (all of Niagara County, for one, would have been in Reynolds' district; he currently has all but Niagara Falls and the areas along the lakeshore, in order to connect Buffalo to Rochester for Louise Slaughter's "phone receiver" district).  When that plan came out, members of both parties in the legislature worked for one that protected powerful incumbents, with Reynolds leading the list.

          Good thing for him that he got the more Republican district, or else he might be ultra-doomed instead of just doomed politically.  20% approval approaches Cheneyesque levels.

          And, as a footnote, Dems have been gaining in the State Senate for a few years now; it's currently 35R-27D.  It's expected to get even closer this year, and was thought to have a chance of flipping, albeit a small one.  One presumes it's just gotten bigger.

          •  New York politics is crazy. (1+ / 0-)
            Recommended by:
            BobOak

            Frankly, I can't tell the State Dems and GOP apart. They all seem to be working for the same two guys who divvy up the spoils between them.

            Look at these people! They suck each other! They eat each other's saliva and dirt! -- Tsonga people of southern Africa on Europeans kissing.

            by upstate NY on Wed Oct 04, 2006 at 06:53:04 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

            •  new york is a big, diverse state (0+ / 0-)

              lots of very conservative people live upstate and in western new york. we have our own versions of orange county, california.

              •  Well, I'm in Western NY and I actually don't (0+ / 0-)

                think the people out here are the problem. I think the problem comes from the two guys who run Albany, and also the fact that all the political weight comes from NYC. The state is kind of capsizing that way.

                Look at these people! They suck each other! They eat each other's saliva and dirt! -- Tsonga people of southern Africa on Europeans kissing.

                by upstate NY on Wed Oct 04, 2006 at 08:04:49 PM PDT

                [ Parent ]

          •  excellent analysis (0+ / 0-)

            thank you. dems will get the state senate sooner or later. i always thought bruno was a major creep. GOP control over the senate has been more of an impediment to progressive reform than gov. pataki. we cant even get the rockefeller drug laws off the books. we cant get medical marijuana. we cant get school funding reform.  the list goes on.  

          •  thanks for pointing that up, (0+ / 0-)

            see my comment below, that was meant for you.

      •  Paid Bloggers? (1+ / 0-)
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        BobOak

        I'm next door in the 29th and have firends that blog in the 26th.  Any chance you can name those alleged paid blogs so we can give them some scrutiny?

        •  asdf (0+ / 0-)

          I can't find them now but I earlier saw some blogspots that were ripping Davis, blogs devoted to character ripping, plus I put up an interview from Lou Dobbs where Davis is talking about China trade imbalance and was immediately "attacked" by "comments" that were just too well crafted.  I deleted them.

          But, it looks like something has happened with this because now a google brings up "good" Davis plus tons of Reynolds is trying to outspend him and so forth.

          http://www.noslaves.com http://forum.noslaves.com

          by BobOak on Thu Oct 05, 2006 at 09:36:33 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

        •  who are your friends in the 26th? (0+ / 0-)

          I'd like to link to them from my blog

  •  Does this show (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    paige

    an amazingly high level of awareness, of the page scandal and Reynolds' involvement?

    •  It also shows (5+ / 0-)

      beyond the shadow of a doubt, the wisdom of Dean's 50-state strategy.

      You never know when a pervert eruption will occur.

      "We lucky few! We band of bloggers!"--Malacandra

      by Sharoney on Wed Oct 04, 2006 at 06:51:08 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  There has been excellent (0+ / 0-)

      coverage on Reynolds on this blog (BTW, this blogger's mom passed away today, so stop by and give him some love).

      A lot of us here in upstate NY get a 24 hour LOCAL news channel, thanks to Time Warner Cable.  When you switch on your TV, that is the channel that comes up.  I'm in Syracuse, and I saw the Reynolds kiddiethon.  I first thought he was at the opening of a daycare center. When I realized what he WAS doing, I couldn't stop laughing.

      A 66% disapproval rating sounds about right. WTG, 26! Now, let's hope my district (25) feels the same way!

      We do not rent rooms to Republicans.

      by Mary Julia on Wed Oct 04, 2006 at 08:07:22 PM PDT

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  •  Wave (4+ / 0-)

    The Clinton/Spitzer/Cuomo wave will wash him out of office.

    Go [insert name of team playing against the Yankees]!!

    by MikeBaseball on Wed Oct 04, 2006 at 06:26:31 PM PDT

  •  Time for an industrial (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    testvet6778

    strength disinfectant for the corriders of power. The rot and mold is worse than in a 9th District home in New Orleans.

    it tastes like burning...

    by eastvan on Wed Oct 04, 2006 at 06:28:24 PM PDT

  •  "FOLEY FIVE" with Joe Lieberman as MC (4+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    mattes, BobOak, sherlyle, Ellicatt

    NRCC Chairman Tom Reynolds (NY-26), Speaker Dennis Hastert (IL-14), Majority Leader John Boehner (OH-08), John Shimkus (IL-19), Rodney Alexander (LA-05)with Joe Lieberman as Master of Ceremonies only God could be behind it all.  Way to go God, smite them all.

    We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars. -- Oscar Wilde

    by KeithCPA on Wed Oct 04, 2006 at 06:28:58 PM PDT

  •  I wonder how many more races are going to head (3+ / 0-)
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    jj32, noweasels, Ellicatt

    in the same direction, I realize  these numbers are not voting polls, but there is rep  voter revolt  brewing.....even honest repubs are mad, at the lies, the cover ups, and the real immorality of these neocons......

    support change: http://securingamerica.com/ccn

    by testvet6778 on Wed Oct 04, 2006 at 06:29:07 PM PDT

  •  CWA says it is all ACLU's fault (0+ / 0-)

    meanwhile CWA says it is all the fault of ACLU and their friends at NAMBLA. Not joking. that was their representative on on NPR this afternoon.

    DrSteveB http://www.pnhp.org http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/ "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away." PK Dick

    by DrSteveB on Wed Oct 04, 2006 at 06:29:33 PM PDT

  •  Good! (3+ / 0-)

    Watching the talking heads tonight, I see old Laura Bush appeared at a fundraiser for him.

    I previosly reported that Foley had 'contributed' $100,000 to the NRCC just after Reynolds was brought in a few months ago about those emails--later information I learned on TV is that the figure over a few years Foley's 'contributed' to Reynold's RNCC, is closer to $750,000--gee, they really hated to lose Foley, he was so important to the Republicans campaign funds.

  •  Let's just hope... (2+ / 0-)
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    testvet6778, Ellicatt

    ...he doesn't quit before the election. Run, Tom, run! (though I doubt at this point he could be replaced by anyone with a ghost of a chance, so it probably doesn't matter)

    Go Jack!

    [Bush] speaks to the audience as if they're idiots. I think the reason he does that is because that's the way these issues were explained to him. Graydon Carter

    by mecki on Wed Oct 04, 2006 at 06:30:12 PM PDT

  •  It is sure to get worse after today (3+ / 0-)
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    Miss Blue, testvet6778, Ellicatt

    Approve 20
    Disapprove 66

    That sounds very bad.  And this was taken yesterday before his chief of staff was tossed under the bus and then dragged the speaker under with him.

  •  YES!!!!! (2+ / 0-)
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    Miss Blue, Ellicatt

    It's about time they got rid of him and put into office a guy who gives a rats ass about the people!

    That's Jack Davis and he ain't compromising on calling a spade a spade on the offshore outsourcing of jobs being ridiculous and trade policy putting our nation at risk!

    YES!!!!!

    Go Jack Davis!

    http://www.noslaves.com http://forum.noslaves.com

    by BobOak on Wed Oct 04, 2006 at 06:32:04 PM PDT

  •  Was this considered an at-risk seat before? :) (0+ / 0-)

    Somewhere out there, George Washington is wondering why he even bothered.

    by cskendrick on Wed Oct 04, 2006 at 06:32:27 PM PDT

  •  Scarburogh said toinght,..... It doesn't matter (8+ / 0-)

    what the Republicans do from here on out because
    The Titanic has already hit the iceburg.

  •  Oh, the hilarity! (6+ / 0-)

    This was the guy the Republicans trusted to get Republicans elected and reelected this year...

    And he HIMSELF is coasting to defeat!

    You couldn't make this stuff up. Although I'll try, in my next play.

    "I have powers! Political powers!" -Homer Simpson

    by Arjun Jaikumar on Wed Oct 04, 2006 at 06:32:49 PM PDT

  •  Internals for this v. internals for a previous (2+ / 0-)
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    loudGizmo, flatford39

    poll..

    Male: 69-20 disapprove/46-42 Davis
    Female: 63-21 disapprove/47-39 Reynolds

    18-34: 74-11 disapprove/37-37 tie
    35-54: 62-22 disapprove/51-40 Reynolds (35-49), 47-44 Reynolds (50-64)
    55+: 64-26 disapprove/48-39 Davis (65+)

    Republican: 56-30 disapprove/62-31 Reynolds
    Democratic: 75-12 disapprove/64-24 Davis
    Independent: 73-16 disapprove/43-31 Davis

    Conservative: 49-35 disapprove/60-33 Reynolds
    Moderate: 67-19 disapprove/47-38 Davis
    Liberal: 78-11 disapprove/57-22 Davis

    Old Reynolds/Davis poll

    It appears that this new poll shows that his role in the coverup will hit Reynolds in some very soft spots.

    "Our country right or wrong. When right, to be kept right; when wrong, to be put right" - Carl Schurz

    by RBH on Wed Oct 04, 2006 at 06:33:37 PM PDT

  •  I'm in NY-26 (7+ / 0-)

    I can't tell you how utterly delighted I am that "my" Rep., Reynolds, is hitting the pavement like a 250-pound sack of rocks thrown out a fifth story window.

    I'm not surpised by those survey numbers, as there's been a lot of local press on the scandal, at least in the Rochester area, and none of it is helping Reynolds.

    I'm keeping an eye out for the day when his lawn signs start to disappear from my neighborhood.  I figure it should be soon--most of those people have kids.

    •  Why don't you make a flyer (2+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      Ellicatt, Christopher Walker

      out of Reynold's recent shenanigans and distribute it around town? You can find the original news reports here and especially on Americablog.

      I can't figure out where the 26th is. I thought it was Western NY minus Rochester and Buffalo? The districts are very gerrymandered along the lake.

      •  Here's a link (1+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        Ellicatt

        http://nationalatlas.gov/...

        Click on "District 26", and you should get a pop-up window.  Notice the dot in the eastern edge of the district--Greece--that's where I am.

        You're right about the funky district shapes in this area.  Some of them look like the work of a drunk and slightly deranged monkey.

      •  The 26th... (1+ / 0-)
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        Ellicatt

        Includes some of Buffalo's more affluent suburbs (Amherst, Newstead, Reynolds' hometown of Clarence) some western suburbs of Rochester (Greece, Spencerport) and the area around Lockport in Niagara County, most of Orleans, and all of Genesee, Wyoming, and Livingston.  The population split among Buffalo suburbs/Rochester suburbs/rural is about one-third each.  I live about a half-mile south of the border in Higgins' district.

    •  I was just in the district (0+ / 0-)

      Around Amherst I saw absolutely no Davis signs and lots of Reynolds signs - how depressing!

      "The United States, as the world knows, will never start a war...we shall also do our part to build a world of peace..." -John. F. Kennedy

      by bluestatedude on Wed Oct 04, 2006 at 06:47:55 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  The problem is that Davis is an outsider (1+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        Ellicatt

        Formerly a Republican, he has no close ties to the Democratic Party machine up here.

        Look at these people! They suck each other! They eat each other's saliva and dirt! -- Tsonga people of southern Africa on Europeans kissing.

        by upstate NY on Wed Oct 04, 2006 at 06:50:54 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  I'd like to know (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    KeithCPA

    who the 20% are....

    this is your mission: TERMINATE the Bush presidency

    by nevadadem on Wed Oct 04, 2006 at 06:35:53 PM PDT

    •  the 20% (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      saucy monkey

      are mostly rich people who want tax breaks so they can hoard more money.

      "The United States, as the world knows, will never start a war...we shall also do our part to build a world of peace..." -John. F. Kennedy

      by bluestatedude on Wed Oct 04, 2006 at 06:48:46 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  Denial... (2+ / 0-)
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      Doug Goodenough, Ellicatt

      It ain't just a river in Egypt.

      That 20%, so unwilling to face facts (i.e., GOP hypocrisy) that would cause their carefully constructed psycho-political edifice to crumble to dust, support Reynolds with the pretext of giving him the "benefit of doubt".

      They'll believe all of his denials, they'll believe Faux News spin, and they'll never judge the facts on their merits.  They'll blame the victim before they abandon the party line.

      That 20% would have made perfect apparatchiks in the post-Stalin Soviet Union.  Unlike the proletariat, they had evidence that the West enjoyed a higher standard of living, but party loyalty trumped everything, both then and now.

      GOP 2006: the Party is the State.




      k.

      --
      "In spite of everything, I still believe that people are really good at heart." - Anne Frank

      by ktakki on Wed Oct 04, 2006 at 06:49:04 PM PDT

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  •  Been a lot of diaries and posts here (0+ / 0-)

    saying get back on topic. Focus on Iraq. Hold their feet to the fire on the issues.

    I really tend to agree with that but I also can see we have just been given an enormous gift from the gop. This scandal will have traction for weeks. It's only four weeks before we vote. I'm for keeping this in the news and keeping it front & center. The dems have done the right thing by standing by and letting the gop destroy themselves. Our leaders should stay focused on the real issues and let us (the new medis) keep the MSM focused on this scandal.

    I am totally convinced if we keep this scandal on the front burner it will force Rove to do something really stupid that will be so transparent that it could become a tipping point.

  •  NY-19 John Hall...Another Seat in Play!! (6+ / 0-)

    What Did Sue Kelly know as Chair of the Page Board?

    Sue Kelly's failure to do anything as chair of the house page board puts her race with John Hall in NY-19 on the board again!

    •  it was already in play! (2+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      bobswern, MrMacMan

      one poll had hall within 5 points before the page business. NY-19 is downstate (wetschester and parts of rockland), so its way more liberal than NY-26.

      •  nice try jordan. NY-19 was bloged way before you. (1+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        Jordan LFW

        I love the article.

        Just don't take credit for bringing this race into the open... there are tons of blogs laying the groundwork.

        Take19's blog has been out forever...

        soo yeah

        •  Nice try? (0+ / 0-)

          A friend of mine on staff with John Hall's campaign sent me the story and asked me to write about it. I know the race has been in play forever, it's on the MyDD House Forecast.

          But now it is one the races flagged because of the Mark Foley scandal.

          Didn't mean to piss you off, but it isn't about credit. I was asked to contribute to the discussion, and promoted my diary to help the Hall campaign.

          •  thats find, just seen nearly the same post a lot (0+ / 0-)

            I just kept coming across seperate stories with nearly your same post linking to your diary.

            I just kinda took offense by you saying that it was off the radar or what the race wasnt in play.

            I do like the post btw and I'm glad you can help out the effort.

            -- MrMacMan

  •  Reynolds is the new Michael Jackson (0+ / 0-)
  •  The "Velvet Mafia" to be outed? (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Miss Blue, BobOak

    I've heard rumblings on the right.  They think it may be the only way to save the party. Would the GOP really pull the trigger?

    Karl and Ken must be quaking.

    Livin' the Murkin Dream!

    by smartinez on Wed Oct 04, 2006 at 06:37:03 PM PDT

    •  Did you watch Scarborough? (3+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      Fred in Vermont, rabel, Ellicatt

      I was turning it off after Olbermann, but happened to catch his little panel discussion.

      One of his guests said, next week the news cycle will deliver a total shock to the conservative base when they find out how many gay Republican staffers are in high positions on the Hill.

      •  That sounded like a threat against any who talk (0+ / 0-)

         next week the news cycle will deliver a total shock to the conservative base when they find out how many gay Republican staffers are in high positions on the Hill.

        It was worse than that.  He said that the big story would be how many closeted gay Republican staffers would turn out to have been involved in preventing action against Foley. It sounded like a threat that they might out any staff person who does what play ball here.  I wonder if  Kirk Fordham could be someone they feel they can attack this way. He is the former Foley chief of staff who was forced to resign today from his new position as Reynolds chief of staff and who then held a press conference to say that he had reported Foley to Hastert years ago.

        If the GOP attempts to blame the Foley cover-up on an undercover gay Republican staff mafia it seems to me that has all sorts of down sides for them.  If these people were enough of insiders to plausibly be behind the overlooking of Foley then they may know all sorts of other nasty stuff.  It could get very nasty if the GOP goes down that road.

        They may just be tossing out the threat to get these guys not to join Fordham in taking about just how long they, with the knowledge and encouragement of the GOP leadership, have been trying to control Foley.

      •  I caught that. Wow or should I say - double wow! (0+ / 0-)
    •  Velvet Mafia? (0+ / 0-)

      Can you elaborate?

      "The United States, as the world knows, will never start a war...we shall also do our part to build a world of peace..." -John. F. Kennedy

      by bluestatedude on Wed Oct 04, 2006 at 06:59:14 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  my only goal (1+ / 0-)
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    Christopher Walker

    is to defeat as many of these roaches as possable that way in normal election years our first-term dems will have the advantage of incumbancy to protect these seats for a liong term majority, If it takes this Foley stuff FINE WITH ME!

    this is your mission: TERMINATE the Bush presidency

    by nevadadem on Wed Oct 04, 2006 at 06:38:25 PM PDT

    •  Exactly! (0+ / 0-)

      I could not agree more strongly.

      The Dems were on the way to winning the House before this mess surfaced, but since the Rethugs have handed us a baseball bat to beat them with I think we should pick it up and swing away.

      Let the nuance wait in the wings for a few months.

      It's clobberin' time!

  •  Where's Ken Mehlman? (3+ / 0-)
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    Speaking of higher ups..anyone see Kenny weighing in on the issue??

  •  The presser with the children (6+ / 0-)

     Whatever consultant came up with THAT idea... well, let's just say I'm glad he works with Republicans. To conduct a press conference about a sexual predator in a room full of young kids is the epitome of political tastelessness, not to mention cluelessness.

     Everybody I've mentioned this press conference to has had his jaw drop to the floor. And they don't believe me until I send them the link.

      The pugs are in SERIOUS trouble over this. Their brand as the "family-values" party has been destroyed -- not by Foley's conduct in isolation, which would have been dealable with if they'd handled it properly and humbly, but by the scrambling coverups that have followed and the accompanying arrogance.

      It's one thing to be stubborn about insisting one is right about a foreign war. It's quite another to be stubborn about not investigating a sexual predator.

      And the public's picked up on that.

    "Le ciel est bleu, l'enfer est rouge."

    by Buzzer on Wed Oct 04, 2006 at 06:39:43 PM PDT

    •  Keith addressed the kids at the presser (1+ / 0-)
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      on tonight's show.  It found it pretty unbelievable that they were there, too.

      The Rural Patriot - Proudly bringing home the facts to rural areas of western New York State.

      by Ellicatt on Wed Oct 04, 2006 at 06:49:03 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  It was very strange for sure (0+ / 0-)

      Everybody I've mentioned this press conference to has had his jaw drop to the floor. And they don't believe me until I send them the link.

      It was a circus.  The reporters had to word their questions with a lot of care and Reynolds just kept giving the same bland statements over and over.  No wonder the kids, who probably understood nothing at all except a vague feeling that they should not be there, started to get restless.

      Very soon into things the kids (who seemed to be of randomly mixed ages and without too many adults among them)  started to make quite a bit of noise right behind Reynolds thus making it very hard for him to hear the questions the reporters were putting to him.  He kept adjusting his hearing aid and asking the reporters to repeat, but those kids yammering right next to him were making it hard for him to hear.  At least he had the good sense not to snap at them to shut up.

      It was the oddest public discussion of pedophilia I have ever seen.

  •  Any reports on Laura's visit (0+ / 0-)

    with Reynolds today?

  •  I don't get how anyone can approve (0+ / 0-)

    of the handling of this case by all who knew what was going on... these are your kids folks!

    If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy. -James Madison, fourth US president (1751-1836)

    by crkrjx on Wed Oct 04, 2006 at 06:41:03 PM PDT

  •  Reynolds news conference today/Pataki (3+ / 0-)

    (after the Laura Bush visit)  What was really telling was how much he was sweating, and I mean literally sweating.  He held a handkerchief or a tissue in one hand.  His head/forehead was soaked with sweat.  The reporter later said that Reynolds attributed it to having a cold.

    What was also interesting was that Pataki was at the same conference standing about 6 feet or so from Reynolds.  He stood there with one arm crossing just above his waistline with hand holding on to his side.  His other hand was up around his mouth, and he kept rubbing the area just above his upper lip and around the lower part of his face.  He looked most uncomfortable!

    The Rural Patriot - Proudly bringing home the facts to rural areas of western New York State.

    by Ellicatt on Wed Oct 04, 2006 at 06:43:21 PM PDT

  •  excellent.... (0+ / 0-)

    buh-bye Reynolds....

    voters--------->polling place--------->Democrats------->Congress

    by Buffalo Girl on Wed Oct 04, 2006 at 06:43:29 PM PDT

  •  Poor Laura. (0+ / 0-)

    Backed the wrong horse AGAIN.

  •  Just as an FYI from someone from the area (3+ / 0-)
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    Reynolds gets support even from Demcorats up here (and that includes our Democratic congressman in the area) because Buffalo is so embattled economically, and all these guys regularly work together for some issues that are specific to this area. When the local State Senate leader (a Democrat) stepped down a few weeks ago, you could even hear the Republicans gnashign their teeth at the loss. Higgins (D) and a few others have worked with Reynolds on

    1. Pressuring the NY State Power authority to give the City of Buffalo $350 million dollars in profits over the next 50 years with most of it coming in the next 10 years (this couldn't have been done without someone of how rank in Congress threatening to rescind the authorities powers federally)
    1. Bringing a $XXX million new Federal building to town.
    1. Saving the local military bases.
    1. Pulling money down in the amount of hundreds of millions for the Buffalo waterfront.

    That's the perception around here, whether the reality is true or not.

    However, Dennis Hastert and Reynolds recently had a huge blowout fight over the Border ID Bill that Hastert just rammed through congress. Reynolds had worked the aisles and had achieved enough bipartisan support for a delay in the bill until some measures protecting regular travellers could be adopted. At the last second, Hastert sunk Reynolds' amendments, and rammed the bill through. This was a huge loss for the Buffalo area since commerce with Canada is one of the big revenue producers up here and economic institutes have estimated that it could dent trade and tourism by more than 40%.

    In short, Reynolds was pissed at the backstabbing, and his constituents are probably pissed that he didn't have the power to do anything about it.

    I'm an outside to this region, but I'm very very surprised at how closely Dems and the GOP work up here, and quite frankly I'm also shocked at the positions both Dems and GOp take up here. Some of the Goopers seem to have reasonably enlightened opinions mixing in with their braindead hogwash, while some of the Democrats I support are Pro-Patriot Act to the hilt.

    Look at these people! They suck each other! They eat each other's saliva and dirt! -- Tsonga people of southern Africa on Europeans kissing.

    by upstate NY on Wed Oct 04, 2006 at 06:49:55 PM PDT

  •  Meanwhile (0+ / 0-)

    Dennis "Fat Bastard" Hastert is hunkered down in his bunker, hiding in his Plano home with guards keeping the press away.  A bunch of previously scheduled interviews have been cancelled.  And a Kentucky Rethug who was going to host Hastert for a fundraiser next week has disinvited him.
    And yet, Chicago's Mayor, Richie Daley, defended the predator protecting prick at a news conference yesterday!
    (Let's make sure that Richie isn't invited to YearlyKos '07, okay?)

    When you hear someone talking about Family Values, grab your wallet with one hand, and your sons and daughters with the other.

    by jazzmaniac on Wed Oct 04, 2006 at 06:51:44 PM PDT

  •  It's every man for himself now... (0+ / 0-)

    Reynolds, the head of the NRCC, to all fellow Republicans:
    "Toss the women, children, and any poor rookie Republicans making a challenge for a Democratic seat out of the lifeboats. It's every man for himself from here on out suckers. What? You say your an incumbent who needs a little help this cycle? Fuck you, get outta my way so I can save myself."

  •  new york, new york its a hellava town (0+ / 0-)

    well actually its the whole state i have high hopes for. clearly hillary and spitzer and cuomo are going to run over their pathetic opposition and pataki is hiding out in iowa trying to avoid the condition he has left the republican party in...but it is in the congressional races that my hopes are rising. i've been spending some time with both the hall ( district 19 ) and gillibrand ( district 20 )campaigns and they are becoming increasingly aggressive and well managed in my opinion. i had come to think that with only 7 republican congress folk to challenge in new york we might not flip any but with the republican implosion and in particular reynolds problems we just might come out of new yawk looking pretty good late on 11/7...would be a great present to the rest of the efforts around the country if we could get the ball rolling before the mid west and west results start coming in for house seats( and south of course ). i am phone banking my fingers off to try to make it happen and i am sure alot of participants here are as well. i am not letting myself get ahead of things and staying away from polls but there just might be something in the air....and boy do we need it. the news out of iraq alone is insane and to think that that shit bremmer and his whore master bush sent bernard kerick to fix the police in iraq three years ago and that he spent three months fucking around and left and that now the police are dragging people from hospital beds and their homes and executing them....

    a few days ago i "firsted" a thread and was beat up by mememememe and threatened with a troll rating. in addition some nasty stuff was said about atrios. i decided to take a break from this site. so for the past few days i have hung out at atrios and dnc and jesus general and so on like i usually do and found them nice places to be with some good info and some funny shit as well...i think over here some folks need to realize this is a pretty complex blog culture and set of norms and that some of us who have been posting here for awhile may not have actualized all this stuff and may not want to. but i will try to be respectful and "when in rome do as romans do" but some of the more rabid kosites might want to lighten up a bit. nice to be back with ya and it will be even nicer if we win the house or senate or both next month.

    •  About those Iraqi police (0+ / 0-)

      now the police are dragging people from hospital beds and their homes and executing them....

      This is the BBC headline tonight Iraq police barred over killings

      An entire Iraqi police brigade has been taken out of duty and will be re-trained after accusations of complicity in death squad killings.

      [. . . ]

      The announcement that a whole Iraqi police brigade had been "pulled off line", as he put it, came from the spokesman for the American-led coalition, Maj Gen William Caldwell.

      "There was clear evidence that there was some complicity in allowing death squad elements to move freely, when in fact they were supposed to be impeding their movement," Maj Gen Caldwell said.

      "It was realised that removing them from Baghdad would, in fact, enhance security," he added.

      Whatever happened to stand-up stand-down thing?  I wonder how long it will take to "retrain" police who consider themselves part of a Shi'ia group and party first and police second.

      •  word salad (1+ / 0-)
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        Fred in Vermont

        fred, when i worked in the mental hospital years ago the shrinks had this phrase "word salad" which they used to describe folks who were saying lots of words that didn't connect, didn't form sentences and had no meaning us "normal" folks could figure out. i think the stuff we get from bush and his drones are the same thing. to "train" folks usually involves a set of learning objectives, some methods and a way to evaluate the training. this is true if you are trying to get someone to learn how to change a care tire or how to patrol a neighborhood to provide security. i doubt very much that this is what the people saying they are going to retrain assasins and vengence seekers have in mind. in fact i think the only thing any of the poor slobs who are assigned to "fix things" in baghdad can do is try to survive and get the fuck out of there as soon as they are allowed. what we have unleashed in iraq is way beyond the corrective scope of training, it is helter skelter or as woodward said on pbs tonite about what one of his sources in iraq reported to him the past few days..."the place is like a mad max movie".

        invading iraq was a pointless exercise in machismo and arrogance, not sending enough resources to maintain the decrepit infrastructure that was there was crimminal and disbanding the army, the civil service and watching the place descend into hell while our soldiers get blown up and the iraq people are reduced to 4th century living constitutes war crimes in any sane evaluation of the situation.

  •  Even if he retains his seat... (1+ / 0-)
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    Ellicatt

    At the very least, now, Reynolds will be heavily distracted from helping the GOP house election effort.  Fighting for his political life, he's now useless to the rest of them.  It's like a football team losing its coach in the 4th quarter.  This scandal has behedded the Repupblican congressional election machine.

    Excellent. (wrings hands like Mr. Burns)

  •  20%! Holy crap. (1+ / 0-)
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    It's almost impossible to hit 20%. There's always enough of a base of felons, skinheads, and the mentally ill to keep you above that.

    You know you're in bad shape when the felons disapprove.

    -6.00, -7.03
    "I want my people to be the most intolerant people in the world." - Jerry Falwell

    by johnsonwax on Wed Oct 04, 2006 at 07:15:28 PM PDT

  •  Schadenfreude (3+ / 0-)
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    Is so sweet.  Peter Griffin Schweet!

    I'm mildly curious about what Rove's October Surprise is, but I think we already saw it.  It's those stupid pictures of the 9/11 hijackers laughing and joking.  In a political vacuum, those would have been dynamite.  But Rove is going to be trying to project his squeaky little voice telling us yesterday's (often discredited) news over the roar of anger about this naked betrayal of American children.  And I think America is going to turn to him as one and tell him to shut the fuck up.  And you can't believe how hard I'm hitting my keyboard as I type this.

    Brit Hume is a pathological liar. Pass it on.

    by slippytoad on Wed Oct 04, 2006 at 07:20:15 PM PDT

    •  That's my favorite word (0+ / 0-)

      and I agree that the laughing hijacker photos were probably Rove's surprise.  That was my immediate reaction when I saw them.

      I don't think they're crazy or dumb enough to attack Iran (in the next month, at least).  I think we'd see a military coup to throw all these assholes out if Bush gave that order.

      •  Attacking Iran (4+ / 0-)
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        Ain't a matter of crazy or dumb.  It's a matter of having something to attack with.  Our military is at the status of a fucking broken Fisher-Price playset right now.  Our people are demoralized and our equipment is overpriced and falling apart, from all reports.  Bush has destroyed American military power, and it's early yet in the PNAC century.  Hard to see how we'll put it back together with so many economic problems on the horizon.  Oh, and the fact that we don't make anything here.

        Attacking Iran would not only destroy our economy for good ($200 oil, hello?), but also the Republican Party.  And I'd have to move in with either my parents or my wife's parents, and both of them voted for Bush both times and I'd never fucking let them forget it.  NEVER.  I'd be a complete asshole about it every goddamn day, seeing as I'd be sitting in their kitchen as we made fucking noodles from scratch every day to eat.  "So you HAD to go and vote for Bush, didn'cha?  Boy, what a GODDAMN LOSER he turned out to be, didn't he?  Couldn't have a LIBERAL in office, could'ya?  Had to have IDIOT FUCKWAD BUSH, didn'tcha?   Like having screaming kids in your house again, DONTCHA????"

        Brit Hume is a pathological liar. Pass it on.

        by slippytoad on Wed Oct 04, 2006 at 07:49:09 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  LOL!!!!! (0+ / 0-)

          The last line put me over the edge, lol.  

          You're so right, on all accounts.

          "But your flag decal won't get you into heaven anymore"--Prine Pay attention Georgie - 2730+ dead Americans. Jesus Christ, make it stop already.

          by Miss Blue on Wed Oct 04, 2006 at 08:03:19 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

      •  Well, actually they are that crazy and dumb, but (0+ / 0-)

        let's hope of the sake of humanity they don't do it.

  •  What about the 100 Grand!? (0+ / 0-)

    This race should be over! Reynolds, if I'm not mistaken took 100 K from Foley right about the time he supposedly counseled him to stop playing grabass with the pages and then said he is refusing to give it back. The chairman, refusing to return a donation from this perv? Tar and feather him until he is literally run out of town with that one. C'mon!

    Sometimes, out of the most ordinary looking vessel can flow the most extraordinary wine.

    by normcash on Wed Oct 04, 2006 at 07:25:17 PM PDT

  •  He's a shmuck, but... (0+ / 0-)

    ...can we be sure those numbers represent informed citizens?  If the same question had been asked with a random name inserted, what would the outcome have been.  I expect it would be still lopsided, though not quite that far.  I think we need to keep our heads on straight and do a thorough job of chaining these bums to the train tracks.  Assuming people get it and letting up on our efforts won't get us the results we all want.

    Less government is better, No government is hell, and Bad government is worse.

    by jgerber on Wed Oct 04, 2006 at 07:28:57 PM PDT

  •  Locals Really Upset by...Reynolds (0+ / 0-)

    having children on the stage with him Monday night. Had he just stood alone at the mic and gave his speech saying that he made a mistake and asked forgiveness, he might have survived. The children were a killer!

    Truth, Justice & the American Way Wesley Clark 2008

    by raster44 on Wed Oct 04, 2006 at 07:29:34 PM PDT

  •  Republican NRLB declares war on America's workers (1+ / 0-)
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    Miss Blue

    The AFL-CIO Weblog today has a disturbing news item http://tinyurl.com/... about the latest attempt of the National Labor Relations Board to further weaken collective bargaining rights in our nation. As you may know, the Bush Administration has long been attempting to take away overtime pay protections from millions of workers. This decision is another blow to organized labor which has been under attack since the Reagan Administration declared war on the working class in early 1981.

    "The Republican-dominated National Labor Relations Board (NLRB) voted along party lines to slash long-time federal labor laws protecting workers’ freedom to form unions and opened the door for employers to classify millions of workers as supervisors. Under federal labor law, supervisors are prohibited from forming unions."

    "In their dissent, NLRB members Wilma Liebman and Dennis Walsh say the decision “threatens to create a new class of workers under federal labor law—workers who have neither the genuine prerogatives of management, nor the statutory rights of ordinary employees.” Liebman and Walsh wrote that most professionals and other workers could fall under the new definition of supervisor, “who by 2012 could number almost 34 million, accounting for 23.3 percent of the workforce.”

    We must elect a Democratic Congress that will restore basic labor protections to America's workers.

  •  Is a video or even an ad available on this yet? (0+ / 0-)

    Something targeting Reynolds in his district, I mean.

  •  that's not a real poll in any way (0+ / 0-)

    responders would say disapprove to anything short of beating mark foley with a club. it has nothing to do with overall approval ratings and simply reflects disapproval with foley. the poll has even less to do with likely voters and besides there are no trends since its a first-time/ one-time poll.

    who let laura bush get on stage with that creep? i could NOT believe my eyes. crazy crazy crazy.

  •  Reynold's Wrapped (0+ / 0-)

    When you play with fire, sometimes you get burned, big guy.

    Instead of saving one seat by not revealing Foley's behavior, you're going to lose about 30 (including your own).  Way to go, Mr. Reynolds! Heckuvajob!

  •  Western New York (0+ / 0-)

    God, I hate living here!

    My fantasy - Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld tried for war crimes

    by browne48 on Wed Oct 04, 2006 at 08:20:14 PM PDT

  •  Jack Davis (0+ / 0-)

    Is a candidate that Republicans will vote for, too.

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