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Oops. Denny's damage control news conference hits some rocks.
One senior Republican official who would speak about internal party matters only without being named said Mr. Hastert in his remarks had accomplished two goals sought by his colleagues: He had accepted some responsibility and had acknowledged that the response to complaints about the initial e-mail sent to a former teenage page in Louisiana had been inadequate.

"I'm hoping this is gone," said the official, who, like others, cautioned that new disclosures could quickly imperil Mr. Hastert and that the coming elections could answer the question of his future regardless.

Did he say "new disclosures"?
House Speaker J. Dennis Hastert's chief of staff confronted then-Rep. Mark Foley about his inappropriate social contact with male pages well before the speaker said aides in his office took any action, a current congressional staff member with personal knowledge of Foley and his behavior with pages said yesterday.

The staff member said Hastert's chief of staff, Scott Palmer, met with the Florida Republican at the Capitol to discuss complaints about Foley's behavior toward pages. The alleged meeting occurred long before Hastert says aides in his office dispatched Rep. John M. Shimkus (R-Ill.) and the clerk of the House in November 2005 to confront Foley about troubling e-mails he had sent to a Louisiana boy.

That's a problem for the Speaker. And more pressure on the Spreaker is a problem for the GOP. Tom Kean Jr. of NJ is already calling for Hastert's resignation, and more GOP congressman don't want him around. There seems to be a faith-based approach to all of this by Republicans. Their strategy seems to be "let's pray it works out". Well, guess what?
After looking at the news for the past 10 days or so, I have to wonder how Democrats can possibly fail in their efforts to take both the House and the Senate.

The national atmospherics don't merely favor Democrats; they set the stage for a blowout of cosmic proportions next month.

No, that's not a prediction, since Republicans still have a month to "localize" enough races to hold onto one or both chambers of Congress. But you don't have to be Teddy White or V.O. Key to know that the GOP is now flirting with disaster.

Denny Hastert may be the disaster that the GOP is flirting with. Bringing dishonor every day to the Speaker's chair and to House Republicans is hardly the way for the GOP to make this issue "gone". of course, they really have no choice at this point. Every leader below Hastert is involved, and they won't cancel campaigning for a new election. Hastert is still a dead man walking, and so is his party. More Rothenberg:
Let's forget all of the niceties and diplomatic language and cut to the obvious truth: From the White House to Capitol Hill, Republicans look inept. And that assertion is based on what Republicans are saying.
This so-called leadership of the House certainly makes Rothenberg's point for him. The public already thinks there's a House leadership cover-up. And somehow, I don't think that's the end of the revelations.

Well, let's see what the weekend holds. There are other things to focus on, but it's tough to ignore this when the GOP keeps shooting itself in the foot.

Originally posted to Daily Kos on Fri Oct 06, 2006 at 09:04 PM PDT.

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  •  Isn't it a distressing comment on our society, (18+ / 0-)

    though, that it is this sex scandal that has brought the GOP to the brink of disaster?   It's not 911, it's not Iraq, it's not Katrina, it's not the Patriot Act, it's not the "Torture Bill", it's not K Street, it's not inaction on Global Warming, etc.,  etc..

    a hope that may come close to despair

    by epppie on Fri Oct 06, 2006 at 09:05:59 PM PDT

    •  Distressing, perhaps, but not new or surprising. (4+ / 0-)

      And at least as far as our ability to feel ok about making political hay from it goes, it's a real scandal, unlike Clinton and Lewinsky (should have been).

    •  Distressing yes... (1+ / 0-)
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      epppie

      but not surprising.  It seems like that's all that will get the attention of anyone anymore.

      "No government has the right to tell its citizens whom to love. The only queer people are those who don't love anybody." - Rita Mae Brown (-4.75, -7.13)

      by AUBoy2007 on Fri Oct 06, 2006 at 09:15:35 PM PDT

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      •  it really does slow down fri and sat (2+ / 0-)
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        chicagoblueohio, epppie

        this week was so 24/7 maybe a break would be good, naw (keep typing)

        How do you know a Republican is lying? Ask one: If the Republicans can lower gas prices for 60 days before an election, why won't they do it all the time?

        by ca democrat on Fri Oct 06, 2006 at 09:56:06 PM PDT

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        •  Here ...this should help (3+ / 0-)
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          ...to give this whole thing a nice Republican frame...


          Photobucket - Video and Image Hosting

          Of course it hurts; you're being screwed by an elephant.

          by DelicateMonster on Fri Oct 06, 2006 at 10:56:42 PM PDT

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          •  Love It!!! Other Shoes to Drop... (0+ / 0-)
            1. Only Repug pages were warned (talk about partisan??!!)--that's sick!!!
            1. Foley was a member of the Leadership of the House!!!
            1. The Repugs were less concerned w/his seat than his fundraising largesse in wealthy Palm Beach.  He raised and distributed millions--can u say 'hush money'???  Plus, this line of inquiry leads right smack into the corruption meme, DeLay, Ney, Abramoff, and Nancy Pelosi's 'Culture of Corruption'!!!

            Now they're trying to clamp off discussion w/the old Scottie-Boy 'under investigation' line due to the Ethics Committee--yeah, right!!!  Who has faith in them???  Keep pushing the 'who knew what when' line, as this diary does--we're not waiting on 'investigators' who have received campaign funds from the Big Guy!!!

            I think it's about time Pelosi reprised her old line "It looks like it will take a Woman to clean up the House."  Voters, particularly suburban women, are repelled by the whole mess, and I think this will have more resonance than their trying to label her a SF Dem.  Pelosi snapped back at them pretty well this week, and a little outraged indignation by a Mother would not be out of place....

    •  It's the timing (7+ / 0-)

      What is making this such a disaster is the culmination of those items you point out, plus Abramoff, plus elections within weeks.

      If this had happened even six months ago, it wouldn't be nearly so disastrous.

      If Katrina had happened now instead of last year, it would have been equally as disastrous, if not moreso.

      It's Nove. 7th right around the corner that is propelling this into a GOP nightmare. No time for spin,  no time for memories to cloud.

      Republicans: They can't protect our youth. They can't protect our country.

      by PatsBard on Fri Oct 06, 2006 at 09:15:57 PM PDT

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    •  It's the metaphor (11+ / 0-)

      It's not just the sex scandal that did it. The Foley affair stands as a metaphor for all that is wrong with the GOP: Cronyism, corruption, putting party before country, etc. Many people must still have seen the connection between the great GOP failures of Katrina, Iraq, etc. as abstract. The Foley coverup brings the disaster that is the GOP leadership to an individual human level. People can see that and make the connection to the larger issues.

      •  Yup. It makes it something easy to understand (3+ / 0-)
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        in your gut.

        And we know these folks like to lead by guts.

      •  I forgot incompetence n/t (3+ / 0-)
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      •  It's small enough to be graspable. (3+ / 0-)
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        Creosote, monster, kilo50

        I think that makes a big difference.  The chains of accountability can be much harder to follow in so many of the other scandals.

        a hope that may come close to despair

        by epppie on Fri Oct 06, 2006 at 09:23:30 PM PDT

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      •  One more... (1+ / 0-)
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        epppie

        I don't know the right word for this.  Maybe someone can help.

        Foley was not just a poor choice for the Caucus on Missing and Exploited Childredn.  He was the worst possible choice.

        Richard Pombo is not just a poor choice for Chair of the Natural Resources Committee, he is the worst possible choice.

        Ted Stevens is not just a poor choice ...

        ...you get my drift.

        What is the word for that?

        •  Brown, above all. (0+ / 0-)

          And they ignored good people like Clark and Shinsecki.  A couple of weeks ago Democracy Now had someone talking about the Iraq reconstruction, about how they actually had some good people there (including the original guy heading it), but they got rid of the good ones.

          a hope that may come close to despair

          by epppie on Sat Oct 07, 2006 at 12:24:13 AM PDT

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      •  For some, (1+ / 0-)
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        epppie

        I think Foley can be that last nudge that helps them overcome their cognitive dissonance at having supported this administration for so long. I believe there are many decent but unenlightened Republican voters out there who are uncomfortable with each new revelation of this administration's stunning incompetence, but have until now found a way to excuse those episodes. The Foley scandal, so blatantly icky and so easy to understand, may give voters that final "out" they need in order to mentally divorce themselves once and for all from this whole gang of crooks, liars, and bumbling misfits.

    •  Katrina really started the ball rolling (3+ / 0-)
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      for many supporters.

      The torture dialogue also brought more people to see the light.

      Now, for many Evangelicals who have had questions brewing in the back of their minds, the Foley coverup is just too much to ignore. Sexual abuse of people who could be their children is just way over-the-top.

      I'd like to believe that all of these things, along with the terrible daily news out of Iraq and Afghanistan, will lead many people who supported the GOP and Bush to either cast their votes another way, or to stay home from the polls next month.

      I guess we'll see in another month's time what happens.

      I remember a time when the American President was the leader of the free world. ****** Repeat after me: "Neoconservatism has failed America."

      by land of the free on Fri Oct 06, 2006 at 09:22:15 PM PDT

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    •  Again, anyone having trouble seeing this as (2+ / 0-)
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      a major issue should head ever to Glen Greenwald's site.  He makes a persuasive argument that this scandal proves that God exists.

    •  agree wholly. (5+ / 0-)

      culling from a comment i made a few days back:

      i resent the aspects of our culture...that result in the fact that it's THIS manner of shoe to drop to make such a resoundingly bracing thud. any one of the countless previous examples lies, violations of trust, misdeeds, incompetence would--in a sane world--have been more than sufficient to sour the public...

      i'm sorry that i'll take it, but--if it at last must be THIS that drives home to folks that can't be bothered with  habeus corpus, extraordinary rendition, falsification of data, deaf ear to intelligence, etc. etc.--i'll take it. if it's this that--FINALLY--gets people thinking that, hey, maybe the republicans might not be all that after all, oh hell yes, i'll tkae it.

      still, i hear you. i do. the "i'll take it" sentiment is purely pragmatic. in my heart, it makes me sad that this is what may get us where we'd like to be, when any one of the prior failings of the public trust should have been sufficient.

      •  I agree 100% (4+ / 0-)

        The purist in me wants people to wake the hell up and see ALL the scandals, some of which even I have forgotten because there have been so many. I want them to be outraged over the Terry Schaivo debacle, the Plame thing, all the things you mentioned above, and all the crap that Michael Moore brought to light in F/9-11.

        Instead, it is once again about sex.

        But, if it works, then "mission accomplished."

        Politics is like driving...if you want to go backwards, choose R. If you want to move forward, choose D.

        by fireflynw on Fri Oct 06, 2006 at 10:04:30 PM PDT

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        •  I, too, want people to see ALL the scandals! (2+ / 0-)
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          However, the other scandals, Schiavo, Plame, Delay, Abramoff, et al., require a certain minimum level of intelligence to understand. It takes some effort to connect the dots. Foley requires NOTHING. It's about SEX!!! And, if there's anything these wackos understand, it's sex. They just know that there are people out there having sex and enjoying it and they are hopping mad about it. If it were a female page who had received "naughty emails" it would have been her fault for enticing a 52 year old man. But, pickin' on my boys!!! That's just not done!!

          This scandal is breathtakingly easy for them to understand. There are no dots to connect. This does not require any analytical thinking. No one has to do any math or read any multisyllabic words. They only need to know one thing: it's about sex.

          When Dale Bumpers was defending Clinton in the Senate trial he said that when people say it's not about the money, it's about the money. And, when they say it's not about the sex, it's about the sex.

          Believe me, for the fundies, this is about the sex.

      •  But this is no small issue. (3+ / 0-)
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        The Foley scandal represents a public safety issue and a law enforcement issue. The Republicans are showing that they cannot handle the problem of sex offenders in our communities, which  is a foreground consideration for many middle-class suburban families. Why are there so many news items every week featuring women who have been abducted/raped/murdered, and news items featuring children who have been abducted/raped/murdered? It is because people are being injured and killed, and in large numbers. Families are being destroyed. Communities are being torn asunder. And the government, on all levels, is having a difficult time dealing with sex offenders and sexual violence. Now the Republicans have shown that they are not up to the task of tackling this critical problem. The Republicans have traditionally thought of themselves as a law-and-order party, and have painted the Democrats as soft on crime. But now the tables have been turned, and I for one think that the American people are anxious for new leadership.

        •  it's also one the public can digest (3+ / 0-)
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          Many people in this country simply aren't engaged in politics, and trust that those in Congress know much more about the issues than they do.  Therefore, many people are willing to defer to their elected representatives on complex issues such as Iraq, terrorism, etc., on the assumption that their representatives arrived at their positions after a great deal of reflection and based upon information to which ordinary citizens don't have access.  It is pretty easy for people to wrap their heads around the Foley scandal, however, and there is only one clear, morally acceptable position - that Foley's actions were inappropriate and that those covering for him should be punished.  When people discover that their representatives are lying on this one easy issue, it can make them question whether the representatives are also lying about more complex issues that the citizens themselves don't fully understand.  It makes people who aren't very engaged in politics doubt the entire judgment process of their elected leaders - that is why this scandal could potentially be so useful for us.  

          The pleasure of hating...eats into the heart of religion...[and] makes patriotism an excuse for carrying fire, pestilence, and famine into other lands. - W. Haz

          by rfahey22 on Fri Oct 06, 2006 at 10:33:11 PM PDT

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      •  A Tie-In (0+ / 0-)

        between the two...evoke pix of Denny Hastert being Waterboarded (do they make 'em that big???) and Foley ending up in Gitmo thru extraordinary rendition...we'd send Boehner, but I heard the golf stinks down there..

    •  Straw that broke the camel's back? (4+ / 0-)

      In a culture dominated by sex, what else would we expect?

      •  we kept hoping Bush (0+ / 0-)

        would just get a blowjob from an intern and we could be through with him.

        Well, it wasn't Bush, but it probably was a blowjob or three.  


        Some mornings it just doesn't seem worth it to gnaw through the leather straps. - Emo Philips

        by AlyoshaKaramazov on Sat Oct 07, 2006 at 07:31:29 AM PDT

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    •  I think because... (2+ / 0-)
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      epppie, Nimbus

      ...the GOP has leaned so heavily on it's base for their success.  Their base doesn't care about much more than sex.  God, Guns and Gays really are what they're all about.  Get on the wrong side of them on ANY of these issues and they'll bolt.

      It's not about what the rest of the country thinks, but that 36% voting block that always supports republicans no matter how much they're screwing them over.  Those are those "some of the people all of the time".  They can always find enough "some of the people some of the time" to fool into voting for them, but they need that die hard block.

      If a democrat demands accountability in the Capital and no one covers it, does he make a sound?

      by DawnG on Fri Oct 06, 2006 at 09:56:01 PM PDT

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    •  Incompetence, Evil, and Lies (1+ / 0-)
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      epppie

      Incompetence, Evil, and Lies
      And these god damned Flies

      INEPT
      Was kept
      And made
      A prize

      MALICE
      However
      Was not
      Very wise

      On top
      Of these
      They gave
      Us LIES

      These were not

      Easy to hide

      Even from
      Our ignorant side

      The slow awoke
      At what came next
      Evil  PREDATION
      Conflated with Sex

      Slow ones soon
      Started to shout.
      “It’s time to throw
      All these Bums Out”!

      Thank their god
      Scandal is here
      Our slow ones nod
      So let’s have a beer.

      He who read

      The pet goat Now gets fed

      A big no vote

      -Ma

      "We're the people who live. They ain't gonna wipe us out. Why we're the people--we go on." -Ma Joad in "Grapes of Wrath"(Steinbeck)

      by Ma Joad on Fri Oct 06, 2006 at 10:15:01 PM PDT

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    •  Nope (0+ / 0-)

      Because it's still corruption and cover-up and abuse of power and because it is drawing attention to all those other things...

  •  It's Time to Drain the Swamp (5+ / 0-)

    "Mr. President, I'm not saying we wouldn't get our hair mussed." General Buck Turgidson

    by muledriver on Fri Oct 06, 2006 at 09:07:16 PM PDT

  •  I'm sure this will make the Sunday (7+ / 0-)

    morning talk shows but I'm too involved in Iraq and my fellow soldiers taking lead.

    Also, if nobody has noticed, there is the next closest thing to the Cuban missile crisis brewing in North Korea.

    Don't have any more time for the perv's and their enablers.

    No one can terrorize a whole nation, unless we are all his accomplices. --Edward R. Murrow

    by craigb on Fri Oct 06, 2006 at 09:07:26 PM PDT

  •  Gotta say (10+ / 0-)

    I like this scandal.  It's like Watergate--facts keep coming out that flatly contradict prior assertions and expose the liars.  Drip, drip, drip is the way to go.  Funny how the repugs who so support torture are now going to subjected to something like it:  the Chinese water torture.

  •  their new line of defense seems to be (2+ / 0-)
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    "Never give in to the molested."

  •  WHOMP! (7+ / 0-)

    For all the other shoes that have dropped in this case, these fucking Republicans continue to show their faces on TV like cockroaches who just won't die no matter how many times they get crushed.

    "The world is divided into two types of people: those who divide the world into two types of people and those who don't" ~ Gloria Steinem

    by John Campanelli on Fri Oct 06, 2006 at 09:12:29 PM PDT

    •  I used to know a guy (0+ / 0-)

      who combated the coackroaches in his apartment with two lighters. He'd hold the gas open on one, and then light the other on the other side. Said it this destruction made them easier to live with.

  •  From the waPo story (2+ / 0-)
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    Hastert spokesman Ron Bonjean declined to directly comment on the second House staff member's assertion, saying that it is a matter for a House ethics committee investigation. "The Standards Committee has asked that no one discuss this matter because of its ongoing investigation," Bonjean said.

    So they started an "investigation" to squelch talk.

    Bastards.

  •  It's telling that the staff are talking (6+ / 0-)

    With loyalty being the the most valued quality in GOP circles, I'd expect the GOP staffers to keep their mouths shut, regardless of the consequences. But they must think their current jobs are in danger if they're talking to the press.  Rats leaving the sinking ship.

    •  They sure as heck won't get hired by another (1+ / 0-)
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      Republican. Do they think a Democrat will make an offer?

      Republicans: They can't protect our youth. They can't protect our country.

      by PatsBard on Fri Oct 06, 2006 at 09:21:11 PM PDT

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      •  or perhaps a different Republican (2+ / 0-)
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        jockeying for a power grab, just in case Dems don't take over the House leadership.

        There are plenty of Republicans who believe that the GOP may still hold control of the House, and Hastert is out of a job. I'm looking casually in the direction of Missouri, and those who support the guy in Missouri...

        I think the GOP will throw Hastert under the bus and try to say the've "cleaned House". Anyone who helps rat Hastert out to help get him out quickly could be seen as someone worth promoting.

        I remember a time when the American President was the leader of the free world. ****** Repeat after me: "Neoconservatism has failed America."

        by land of the free on Fri Oct 06, 2006 at 09:26:14 PM PDT

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    •  they probably realize (1+ / 0-)
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      that someone needs to take the fall for this, and if Hastert refuses to do it, it could well be their bosses who lose their heads

      The pleasure of hating...eats into the heart of religion...[and] makes patriotism an excuse for carrying fire, pestilence, and famine into other lands. - W. Haz

      by rfahey22 on Fri Oct 06, 2006 at 09:30:42 PM PDT

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    •  Mass Outing Threat!!! (0+ / 0-)

      I think their ill-conceived threat to "out" all Repug gay staffers in some kind of "eat your young" Witch Hunt may just back up on 'em like a stopped-up toilet.  Like the toilet, they're all just incredibly full of shit!!!!!

  •  With Bush showing up to support Hastert (1+ / 0-)
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    next week, expect a major heart attack on Sunday.  I don't think a toxic embrace of mortally wounded Hastert will happen.

    BTW - I really don't care who of the two has the attack.

    John Laesch is not qualified to be a Net Roots Candidate. - Koz - that's just wrong

    by llbear on Fri Oct 06, 2006 at 09:13:19 PM PDT

  •  "Ongoing investigation" :) (3+ / 0-)
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    From the WashPo article:

    Hastert spokesman Ron Bonjean declined to directly comment on the second House staff member's assertion, saying that it is a matter for a House ethics committee investigation. "The Standards Committee has asked that no one discuss this matter because of its ongoing investigation," Bonjean said.

    Here we go again! :)

  •  Whoa. (1+ / 0-)
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      This is too much.  This looks absolutely horrible.  This is very damning.  I thought it had ended, but it has not.  

  •  These leaks are gonna start being GOP leaks... (6+ / 0-)

    ...from people who aren't looking to restore some honor to the party, but who are just trying to staunch the inevitable bloodletting.

    Dennis The Child Menace has the heft to drag a lot of people underwater with him.

  •  The perfect Democratic storm (11+ / 0-)

    if there is one, will have consisted of 3 elements:

    1. Incredibly motivated Democratic activists and a huge Democratic turnout.
    1. Depressed and demoralized "values voters" base who will punish their party by staying home.
    1. The brilliant 50 state strategy that gave Democrats 425 Congressional candidates - a record for either party - so that when there is a vacuum created in even the most unthinkable of Republican strongholds, there is somebody to step in and fill their shoes.
    •  From your keyboard to the voting booths (2+ / 0-)
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      on the wing of a prayer and a lot of hard work over the next month.

    •  Watch out for a new media meme (2+ / 0-)
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      after the landslide puts us back in power.

      It will look something like this:

      "Americans rejected the Republicans because of the Foley scandal, not because they agreed with or wanted a Democratic agenda--the American people don't support liberals and the result we take from this is that the GOP fucked up big time over Foleygate but that Democrats are the party of no ideas and as such the voters have not given them a mandate because this election was all about Foley. If it hadn't been for Foley, Republicans would have held the Congress easily"

      Watch for the historical revisionism of "Repubs would have won easily otherwise" and no mention of Iraq, or Katrina, or anything else going on... and the ridiculous idea that people didn't want change, they were just "upset" about Foley.

      I will bet anything that is what we will start seeing on day one of a new Democratic majority in order to undercut the victory and undermine the mandate.

      "People place their hand on the Bible and swear to uphold the Constitution. They don't put their hand on the Constitution and swear to uphold the Bible." --J.R.

      by michael1104 on Fri Oct 06, 2006 at 09:39:42 PM PDT

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      •  Eh. . . I disagree (5+ / 0-)

        The media is pretty darned clued into the massive dissatisfaction w/ Iraq. This Foley thing is just taking a huge amount of wind out of the Repubs sails just when they were attempting a come back.

        And let's not kid ourselves -- Iraq isn't going anywhere. Foley's in rehab. Hastert may soon be gone, too, and many many Rs will turn to Ds after November 7, but there will still be 130,000 US troops in Iraq.

        •  look at history... (1+ / 0-)
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          ca democrat

          Remember the narrative of 1994? IT was all about the Contract with America. Americans were sick of liberal entitlement programs, of welfare queens, and black criminals so they all voted for this grand plan by "Republican Rebels" who conquered the American people's hearts and minds with their Conservative Manifesto.

          Was that actually what happenned? No. The Contract had little if anything to do with the GOP landslide in '94--they unveiled it just a few weeks before the election. But the media has repeated this historical revisionism now since that election night in order to bolster them. We still call it the "Republican Revolution of 1994", we don't call the Democratic victory of 1986 or 1974 "Democratic Revolutions". the answer is obvious.

          My bet is that the narrative I wrote above will be their excuse to piss on our victory.

          "People place their hand on the Bible and swear to uphold the Constitution. They don't put their hand on the Constitution and swear to uphold the Bible." --J.R.

          by michael1104 on Fri Oct 06, 2006 at 10:01:56 PM PDT

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          •  and so what if they did? (1+ / 0-)
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            whatever the narrative, I don't see how it would diminish Democratic effectiveness, unless of course the new crop of Democrats is as spineless and afraid to act as many believe the current crop to be.  The Republican agenda is very unpopular; standing against it will reap huge political rewards.  

            The pleasure of hating...eats into the heart of religion...[and] makes patriotism an excuse for carrying fire, pestilence, and famine into other lands. - W. Haz

            by rfahey22 on Fri Oct 06, 2006 at 10:18:15 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

            •  Yeah--Doesn't Matter!!! (0+ / 0-)

              Dems will still be in charge, still have majorities and Chairmanships--there'll be a NEW Bully Pulpit in town!!!  Hell, W claimed a mandate (did I say that???) when he LOST the popular vote.

              Winning is winning--don't fret!!!

            •  I hope Lieberman doesn't end up (0+ / 0-)

              as the swing vote. Isn't that an ugly thought?

              Travel is useful, it exercises the imagination. All the rest is disappointment and fatigue. -L.F. Celine

              by Nimbus on Sat Oct 07, 2006 at 09:35:32 AM PDT

              [ Parent ]

      •  "after the landslide puts us back in power" (0+ / 0-)

        Don't see how they can get away with that.  We'll have the ongoing investigations still going on with Abramoff and his cronies and some of them are bound to go to prison.  This will reflect nicely on the R's for 08.

        Then we (Dems) will have the investigation into the war crimes and all the other muck and some heads should roll there.

        Remember how the R's were so ashamed of Nixon - well Bush is worse and I cannot see the R's passing the $$ over to all these criminals to help them defend themselves.  There's no way that they can paint all this as the fault of Dems.

        Is there a number limit as far as how many people Bush can pardon as he leaves office?  On the other hand, I can see him being so pissed with these people for getting caught that he won't pardon anyone, but will blame them all for his own misfortunes and act the poor misguided lttle boy.

        The revolution is coming!

      •  funny you should bring that up (1+ / 0-)
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        the line I forgot to put in my post is, "now, which of these do you think the media will be highlighting?"  Of course, the establishment media never gets it.  Besides, how can they now recognize that the 50 state strategy and mobilizing the progressive Democratic base actually works after claiming for a decade that the only way to win is to "move to the center" (read move to the right)?  How can they admit now that Howard Dean - that dreaded guy - could actually turn out to be right.

        Oh, no!

      •  Or, watch for what that carrier does (0+ / 0-)

        now heading toward the eastern Mediterranean with its nuclear capacity.

        Per a Yahoo story (regret no link) someone at DK posted last night.

  •  And if Hastert won't resign, that's why it's so (2+ / 0-)
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    important that we take matters into our own hands and VOTE THE SUCKER OUT!!!

    We must give support to his opponent, John Laesch

    I agree with a previous poster that it's a shame that there have been soooooo many other things that should have brought down the GOP before now, but it takes a sex scandal ....

    Geez.

  •  Handle the Pivot - Reps Blame Dems (3+ / 0-)
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    The facts are certainly in the Democrats favor in the Foley scandal. After all, Foley is a Republican, and the Republicans intentionally didn't tell the Democrat on the Page Board the revelations of the Republican Alexander when he told Republican Hastert and Republican Reynolds of the Republican Foley's sexual predation on underage pages.


    But the Republicans are pivoting with an attack on the Democrats because some Democrats or media persons might also have known about the scandal. John Aravosis at Americablog reports that the media is aiding the Republicans with their attempt to deflect blame to the Democrats:

    I'm really getting fed up with the mainstream media playing their cute little "because they say it, it must be true" games with the Republicans.


    The latest? The "democrats must have been behind the Foley story" GOP talking point. A talking point that CNN and other media sources have been all too happy to push all day long (CNN was one of the worst offenders.)


    Now, when Denny Hastert's office is asked if he has any proof that Dems were behind the scandal coming to light, Hastert's office says no. No one else credible has come forward to suggest that Dems were behind. Only one source that I know of has claimed this, and it is a source that in my eyes, and the eyes of many people I know, both Republican and Democrat, is completely not credible as to the point of being laughable. But the media doesn't bothering doing its work, so they simply repeat the lie because saying so apparently makes it so.


    So if the media is going to keep printing Republican demands that Nancy Pelosi and Howard Dean testify as to whether they were involved in the scandal, I think I'd like Wolf Blitzer and Larry King to testify too. As to whether they were involved in leaking, or not leaking (it's so difficult to keep up with the republican attack day to day - first we're bad for not exposing the documents, then we're bad for supposedly exposing the documents), and for good measure I'd like Wolf and Larry to testify that they've never engaged in sex with minors. Remember, today's news isn't about facts, it's about groundless allegations. So let's hope Wolf and Larry do the right thing and prove that they're not criminals.

    Aravosis will be on CNN tomorrow doing his best to defeat this attack. Other Democrats need to be aware of and prepare for this line of blame-shifting as well.

  •  maybe keeping him there gives them a future (1+ / 0-)
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    media moment for him to resign (and show that they did something, if they need to, while presurving other members because it is too close to the election for the pressure to move to them).

    In other words: maybe it's a bullet they are saving for the right time to shoot it. PS: I doubt Hastert knows.

    How do you know a Republican is lying? Ask one: If the Republicans can lower gas prices for 60 days before an election, why won't they do it all the time?

    by ca democrat on Fri Oct 06, 2006 at 09:26:10 PM PDT

  •  Put a whole bottle of Chanel No. 5 on this pig... (4+ / 0-)

    ...and it still reeks for miles.

    Tweety looked stupefied on Lardball today when the two Pugs (no Dems) he brought on his show actually had the gall to argue that -- after Foley got caught sending perverted messages to 16-year-old boys and resigned on the spot, and the top Pugs in the House are all over the map contradicting each other about what they knew, when they knew it and what they didn't do about it, and now that poll after poll comes out showing that they're not fooling anyone on this -- the only question they think matters is what did the Democrats know about this?!?!

    This is what's called adding insult to injury. If you're a Pug voter sitting at home watching this, getting more pissed off every second, the only thing that can be going through your mind is: Just how goddamned stupid do these people think I am?

    •  And they'll keep doing it (3+ / 0-)
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      as long as we let them.  While Tweety looks nonplussed, we need to keep yelling to the heavens about this whole goddamned stinking mess.

      It's real simple, campaign folks.  One, Foley stalked children over the Internet.  Two, his friends, colleagues, and bosses worked like mad motherfuckers to keep it covered up, to help themselves retain a House majority and keep that Florida money coming.  Beginning, middle, and end of story.  Nothing else.

      Hammer it home, every five minutes of every fucking day.

      This Far and No Further -- documenting 109 years of conservative thuggery

      by Black Max on Fri Oct 06, 2006 at 09:37:24 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  I heard Hastert trying this (1+ / 0-)
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      Saying that Dems released the logs...

      Any parent out there will say to themselves, " The cover up didn't work? GOOD!"

      I think they realize that won't fly, and have backtracked since then.

      At the dedication of his Gubernatorial portrait, GWB thanked his audience for "Taking the time out of your day to come and witness my hanging"

      by wrights on Fri Oct 06, 2006 at 10:37:50 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Let's not forget how Hastert even got involved... (1+ / 0-)
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    rather than involving his colleagues on the Page Board, Rep. Shamekus ran off to whisper into Hastert's ear there was a problem.

    A coverup? "Certainly not!" says the GOP. But were they interested in protecting chilren they were personally resonsible for looking after?

    Certainly not!  say the rest of us with some semlance of morality and common sense.

  •  Lawrence O'Donnell on the McLaughlin Group (1+ / 0-)
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    kept mentioning that many shoes are going to drop. I guess there is a list of closet gay republicans circulating inside the beltway. Being a liberal, I don't see what the big deal is.

    •  The big deal is (9+ / 0-)

      that there ARE a great many closeted gay Republicans, and they constantly work to, first, keep themselves firmly in the closet, and second, to enable their gay-hating, life-hating sonsofbitches colleagues to keep attacking gays and anyone else who doesn't fit the approved list of lifestyles.

      It's not that they're gay, it's that they're hypocrites, and they're pursuing their own lifestyle while working like hell to keep others from pursuing that selfsame lifestyle and keep their own abjectly corrupt colleagues and bosses in office.  Fuck them.  They deserve no sympathy nor any restraint from us.

      This Far and No Further -- documenting 109 years of conservative thuggery

      by Black Max on Fri Oct 06, 2006 at 09:34:33 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Why are they Republicans? (5+ / 0-)

        I just don't get it. Is there some epidemic of masochism I don't know about?

        •  I don't understand it (3+ / 0-)
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          and I've never seen anything approaching an explanation from a Log Cabin Fucktard.  David Brock might have explained it best in his book; basically, he described himself as completely self-destructive and politically insane.

          This Far and No Further -- documenting 109 years of conservative thuggery

          by Black Max on Fri Oct 06, 2006 at 09:41:28 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  not sure (3+ / 0-)
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            I have a gay friend who voted for Bush in 2000 and was a fairly strong Republican until shortly before the 2004 election.  To this day I've never gotten an adequate explanation from him as to why he identified with the GOP; the most he's ever said is that he believed that they were stronger on national security, which became especially important to him following 9/11 (his family lived in NYC).  His father seems to be very conservative and has had difficulty with his son's sexuality, so my friend's initial conservatism might have had more to do with conditioning rather than independent thought on his own part.  

            The pleasure of hating...eats into the heart of religion...[and] makes patriotism an excuse for carrying fire, pestilence, and famine into other lands. - W. Haz

            by rfahey22 on Fri Oct 06, 2006 at 09:47:55 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

          •  David Brock's book Blinded (4+ / 0-)

            explained that he began as a liberal but at a liberal university found himself rebelling against how he saw it being practiced. My sense is he was never comfortable as a conservative and now that he's back from the dark side he's still basically reacting against what he used to be.

            That may explain him but not other gay Repugnants. They say they believe in smaller government, fiscal responsibility, go down the conservative checklist, but how can that possibly compensate for their own party actively denouncing an integral part of their identities? I seriously believe they're in some kind of denial. Or self-hatred. That has to be involved too.

        •  Possible Explanations (0+ / 0-)
          1. Sexual orientation and ability to reason are different things.
          1. Heterosexuals don’t have a monopoly on fascism (eg, The National Socialist Party.
          1. Hastert chaired the recruiting committee.
      •  Your Right. (2+ / 0-)
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        I wasn't thinking about the anger that will be generated from our side but that of the Republicans.  On page 244 of Hubris, written by Isikoff and Corn:

        Rove and Novak were "intimately close" and occasionally socialized together, according to Al Hunt.  But neither spoke about it publicly. Rove was rarely mentioned in Novak's columns (although when he was, it was in a positive light). "I can't tell anything I ever talked to Karl Rove about, because I don't think I ever talked to him about any subject, even the time of day, on the record.

        Please keep in mind that the quotation marks are not mine.  I don't know if Isikoff and Corn are saying that Rove and Novak are close friends or more than close friends.  If they are more than close friends, this could be big news, on so many different levels. I just wish somebody would ask Isikoff or Corn what they (or Al Hunt) meant about Rove and Novak being "intimately close".  

      •  what o'donnell said (1+ / 0-)
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        and this is a pretty close paraphrase, is that another shoe that may drop--publications may or may not decide to run with it--that the closed gay males on the staff level in the House leadership were involved in how this was processed, and that the pressures of being a closet gay in the R party may have affected their judgment. it isn't just that there are gay republicans, it is how the party's suppression of that twisted their response.

        o'donnell also specifically named Tom Reynold's just-resigned chief of staff Kirk Fordham as being gay, but he implied more than one.

        the issue that they tried to use as a political wedge is coming back to destroy them through their own hypocrisy.

        •  o'donnell on huff post (1+ / 0-)
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          from huff post

          The LA Times has outed Kirk Fordham today. He will not be the last closeted gay Republican outed by this scandal.

          Today's NY Times has a chart that outlines the "key communications" in the House of Representatives about Mark Foley's inappropriate contact with pages. More than one of the names in the chart, which includes Kirk Fordham, are rumored to be closeted gay Republicans who have been working at the highest levels of the Republican leadership.
          [...]
          The Republican base--the Evangelical get-out-the-vote troops--are going to be devastated when they discover how many closeted gay Republicans were involved in policing Mark Foley in the House of Representatives. Republican House members know this. That's why momentum is building for a very quick House cleaning and a new Speaker by next week.

          •  no republicans without problems (0+ / 0-)

            oh, and he also  said that hastert can't resign, despite the pressure for him to do  so, because the republicans have absolutely no one they can put up for the job of speaker who isn't tainted by scandel and doesn't have a big ethical problem that would come out. they're stuck with hastert because they have nothing better to  offer.

  •  'Moderates' keep telling the Dems to (15+ / 0-)

    just shut up and let the Republicans implode.  We just stand aside, scuff our toes in the dirt, and look sorrowful.

    Bullshit.

    We've seen time and again what happens when we do that.  They turn it around on us by the most blatant, lying, sorry-ass story twisting imaginable.  We've seen Pat Buchanan screaming about Nancy Pelosi "marching with NAMBLA," we've seen Limbaugh, Hannity, and so forth howling about the Dems "orchestrating" all of this, we've seen them blame the pages for "tricking" Foley into IMing with them, we've seen a page outed and hounded into seclusion, we've seen everyone except Foley and his GOP molestation enablers blamed -- gays, teenagers (teenaged beasts, Drudge calls them), political correctness, the "culture of tolerance and diversity," you name it, we've seen them try to twist this around to make the Usual Suspects -- that's you and me, folks -- the guilty ones.  And don't forget Mr. Clenis.

    The only way to handle this is dead on, smack between their traitorous, Nazi, child-molesting eyes.  Harold Ford Jr. told his opponent that he didn't want any lessons on morality from a party who accepts hush money from child molesters.  That's how you do it, Dems.  Hit them dead fucking center and keep hitting them, over and over and over and over until it fucking sticks.

    You reading this, campaign aides?

    This Far and No Further -- documenting 109 years of conservative thuggery

    by Black Max on Fri Oct 06, 2006 at 09:31:50 PM PDT

  •  Liar Liar... (4+ / 0-)
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    kilo50, serrano, Rex Manning, ca democrat

    Huge blazing inferno of lard-ass pants on fire! Oh! God! The Humanity...! It's spreading... Oh no, look out!

    The fire has engulfed the GOP headquarters! It's burning! Oh god... it's all burning to the ground! Ohhhh the humanity....

  •  Opportune to bring up Denny's other troubles! (5+ / 0-)

    Like his real estate dealings, his efforts to whitewash the Armenian genocide, and his own ties to Jack Abramoff.

    Pile it on the sleazy speaker.  Couldn't happen to a more deserving winger.

  •  Hastert's Shady Land Deals... (4+ / 0-)
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    From TNR:

    when it comes to real estate, he has been a downright wheeler-dealer. Virtually overnight, the speaker's net worth went from approximately $300,000 to at least $6.2 million--thanks, in no small part, to an earmark he authored.

    "In the End, we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends." - MLK Jr

    by sean mykael on Fri Oct 06, 2006 at 09:41:09 PM PDT

  •  The wheels have come off. (5+ / 0-)

    Look Ma, no wheels!

    Take back Congress! Ron Klein for FL-22!

    by weelzup on Fri Oct 06, 2006 at 09:44:32 PM PDT

  •  GOP=Guard Our Power (2+ / 0-)
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    "You don't lead by pointing and telling people some place to go. You lead by going to that place and making a case." - Ken Kesey

    by Glinda on Fri Oct 06, 2006 at 09:45:21 PM PDT

  •  Adios, Denny! (2+ / 0-)
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    Eventually, all that lying catches up with a person.

  •  remember, it only takes about 3% of the voters (0+ / 0-)

    not to vote or vote for the other party to have a huge impact on the outcome.  No exact data here, but if 3% of the voters switch allegiances that's about 30 seats changing hands.

    Not a large number of voters, and certainly with easy reason of those who get this story.

    In other words, every voter will never get it, but if just a small number does and acts that can produce a huge change in the election outcome.

    How do you know a Republican is lying? Ask one: If the Republicans can lower gas prices for 60 days before an election, why won't they do it all the time?

    by ca democrat on Fri Oct 06, 2006 at 10:19:05 PM PDT

  •  "localize" elections: distribute fearmongering (0+ / 0-)

    flyers full of slander, screw up existing voter registrations, interfere with Dems voting, and rig the voting machines. Karl has put out the call to Diebold: Get those patches ready!

    The 'projection rule': Whatever Republicans accuse Democrats of doing, that is exactly what they are doing themselves.

    by lecsmith on Fri Oct 06, 2006 at 10:28:37 PM PDT

  •  My guess on the "new disclosure"... (2+ / 0-)
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    My guess is that Foley didn't just flirt with and chase Congress' schoolboy gophers, he scored... Seriously, look at what's already in the public realm . Foley pursued numerous boys over the span of several years, and several boys who showed interest. The odds are overwhelming that he got some.

    And more importantly, we're talking about a Rep crew known for having the dirt on anybody and everybody. It is inconceivable to think that someone (Foley) so sloppy is his pursuit of his sick little fetish was able to do so without any of his superiors having any idea what he was up to...

    The writing is on the wall... We KNOW what happened, and we KNOW that his bosses knew about it... It's quite literally just a matter of time before the "price is right" and the damning evidence is revealed...

    I think that the only real question remaining at this point is if the Reps can outbid the Dems and media to keep that damning info under wraps until after the election...

    But rest assured, there is unquestionably more to know about this story, and it's only a matter of time before we know it...

    •  Getting some (0+ / 0-)

      The odds are overwhelming that he got some.

      At one point, for about a minute, I thought that maybe all he was doing was using the racy IM sessions as masturbation material, and that maybe he was one of those types that isn't so much into having actual humans present during the act of sex.

      But having read more of the messages, it's obvious that in several of them he was aggressively making moves to meet and have sex. So really, I'll go a step beyond "overwhelming." Foley is a good-looking guy, a wealthy congressman who had access to a continually replenished talent pool, and it's pretty obvious that he fished it aggressively. I'd say it's inconceivable that he never ever scored.

      "Things are more like they are now than they have ever been before." - President Dwight D. Eisenhower

      by Trickster on Fri Oct 06, 2006 at 11:43:07 PM PDT

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  •  Wow (0+ / 0-)

    Non-partisan congressional election analyst Rothenberg utters the phrase "blowout of cosmic proportions." After reading that, I think I'm not gonna need the Cialis tonight.

    "Things are more like they are now than they have ever been before." - President Dwight D. Eisenhower

    by Trickster on Fri Oct 06, 2006 at 11:09:53 PM PDT

  •  Hastert - just pack up your donuts and leave! (0+ / 0-)

    GOP = Guarding Our Pred..er..Pages

    by annefrank on Fri Oct 06, 2006 at 11:13:38 PM PDT

  •  WORK, DON'T PARTY (0+ / 0-)

    It’s a serious mistake to assume this will hand the election to the Democrats.  

    Certainly it helps to cast Republicans in an unfavorable light and can be/should be used as a tactical weapon, but the suggestion that this is a “nail in the coffin” is foolish for several reasons:

    1. This sticks to politicians in general as much as to Republican politicians, a fact reflected in the pessimistic, resigned attitude of the electorate – “Isn’t it a distressing comment on our society?” (sic).  This could turn out to be a negative motivator reducing, rather than increasing electoral turnout. Before we break-out the champagne, get out the vote.
    1. Over-stress or inappropriate stress on this issue could backfire on Democrats. In fact, Republicans have already positioned themselves to portray Foley as a “victim” and cast Democrats as capitalizing on this for political purposes (well, why not?). Thus, the preferred tactic should be to focus on the cover-up.
    1. The Democratic Party is not squeaky-clean and the electorate, particularly, reasonable swing voters, know this. Wallow too deep in the shit and you get covered with it. Again, the right approach and sharp talking points are essential.
    1. Republican politicians are practiced and accomplished at stone-walling, and not above lying on occasion. What makes us think that won’t work as usual? Don’t sit back and let it happen.
    1. This unfortunate (or fortunate) mess is not a substitute for issues and a platform, something Democrats tend to forget on their merry way to loosing elections. Issues need equal if not greater stress. I really fear this diverts attention.

    I am not suggesting we turn down the heat, but rather, adjust the flame to a white-hot torch and apply it where it is effective, on the Republican leadership that covered-up or ignored the problem.

    Sitting on our hands or using them the wrong way invites equally poor results.

    Keep the heat on the Republican leadership.

    Don’t count your chickens before they hatch.

    Get out the F’n vote !

    •  sitting back is a mistake, no doubt (0+ / 0-)

      and only hard work and field efforts win. You're right about that.

      But you're completely misreading/underestimating this. Points 1 and 3 are garbage. The electorate has already weighed in and blames Republicans (see TIME poll, WSJ/NBC etc).

      The hailstorm of unfavorable publicity that has hit Republicans and President Bush -- extending beyond the Foley matter to Iraq -- have cost the party the initiative at a critical point in the midterm-election campaign, according to a new Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll conducted during the weekend.

         The survey shows that by 41%-18%, Americans say news they "have seen and heard over the past few weeks" has made them less favorable toward continued Republican control of Congress; by 34%-23% they called themselves more favorably inclined toward Democratic control.

      Point 2 is well taken. But that's not what's happening (see Polls, Blowback And Overreaching. Having Patty Wetterling give the Sat address is perfect.

      Point 4 is a stupid point. Hastert's situation was handled ineptly and so far on the evidence, still is. This isn't the WH and David Gergen ain't in charge.

      "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

      by Greg Dworkin on Sat Oct 07, 2006 at 04:55:42 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Groucho was right (as usual) (1+ / 0-)
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        Dear DemFromCT

        Thanks for your comments.

        I live in China and don’t get the full picture as quickly as people in USA but after more net research I’m getting the idea and agree with you on point 4. I loved Hasert's remark on Soros - what a funny guy - did Soros pay him to say that?

        Points 1 & 3 are not garbage. Simply put, you don't need to wade neck deep in shit to prove it exists, some things are obvious. Dems should take the opportunity of Republican leadership diversion to focus on election issues people care about (and Republicans rather not discuss). The issues are on our side this time around.

        It seems Dems are generally handling this well so far (with a little help from Republican leadership – could we ask for more?).

        Talking points should be Foley’s abuse of his position & lack of judgment, and the Republican leadership cover-ups, that is enough. Foley’s sexual preference should not be an issue – let conservative idiots like Buchanan run their mouths and ignore it.

        Certainly the climate favors the Dems at this time, but, opinion polls are easier to come by than electoral results. 41% unfavorable rating for Republicans does not automatically translate into 51% majority for Democrats - is our memory so short?

        “Who are you going to trust, me or your own lying eyes” – Groucho Marx

        “Get the F’n vote out!” – koNko

        For fun, go to ...

        http://veredictum.smartvideochannel....

        •  that is a fun video!! (0+ / 0-)

          I talk to Main Street republicans in small town CT every day. You can't imagine how devastating and demoralizing this is. It summarizes everything that's wrong with congress for them.

          I bring this up because your original post gives advice to Dems about events that aren't happening. The public is very much blaming Rs, and not "all politicians". R's are in charge. It's that simple. "The old guy (Hastert) doesn't have a clue, but since he's an ex-teacher he should have. The mother and grandmother (Pelosi) does." And Dems are not piling on.

          On this issue and for the week, the Dems have had perfect pitch, including and led by Harold Ford. Give them credit and adjust your advice accordingly.

          "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

          by Greg Dworkin on Sat Oct 07, 2006 at 08:15:22 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

  •  hastert won't even get re-elected (1+ / 0-)
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    this will be an early shock in the night

  •  Repubs, anything to keep power. (0+ / 0-)

    What makes anyone think they will not do whatever it takes to keep control/power, particularly when it involves children, unless they are fetuses.  Is you hear Charlie Crist, our Attorney General in Florida who is allegedly a gay republican doing anything except hiding?  Iraq, Katrina, Foleygate, Abramoff, Terri Schiavo/Marissa Amora, Valerie Plame.  I want to be sick.  Dawn Amora

  •  Chickenhawk Tom Kean Jr isn't exactly (0+ / 0-)

    hammering Hastert on the Kean Jr. for Congress website. Apparantly the Kean Jr. webmaster thinks that Kean Jr.'s positions against the Republican leadership should be kept off of party-funded webpages. Kean Jr. came out against Hastert only after the local papers issued editorials against the former wrestling coach's lack of leadership on the Congressional Page scandal. The longer Hastert stays in office, the less effective Tom Kean Jr. looks as a reformer in his own GOP party. Having the albatross of a "Live Boy" scandal hanging on the republican party absolutely drowns out Kean Jr's attempt to run as an anti-Washington reformer.
      The Menendez ads nail Kean Jr.'s positions exactly: Pro-Bush, pro-war. Plus, the ad director made sure that there is another position featured in the TV ads: Kean Jr. is for privatization of Social Security. That's going over like a lead balloon among retired veterans.
       

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