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CO-05: Fawcett's incredible poll showing

Tue Oct 10, 2006 at 07:36:42 AM PDT

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In 2004, George Bush won Colorado's 5th CD with 66 percent of the vote. He got 190,190 votes. Kerry got a measly 93,684. It's not the sort of vote differential that gives high hopes for a Democratic House win in 2006.

But Democrat Jay Fawcett has been plugging away, and he was lucky enough to be paired off against crazy Doug Lamborn (see YouTube below). He's so crazy, in fact, that outgoing Rep. Joel Heffley has urged people to not vote for Lamborn and briefly flirted with a write-in campaign to try and head off Lamborn.

Amidst all this drama, the Denver Post has produced a shocking poll by top pollster Mason-Dixon.

Mason-Dixon. 10/3-7. Registered voters. MoE 5% (No trend lines)

Lamborn (R) 37
Fawcett (D) 37

Republicans

Lamborn (R) 61
Fawcett (D) 14

Democrats

Lamborn (R) 5
Fawcett (D) 76

Independents

Lamborn (R) 27
Fawcett (D) 39

Fawcett didn't go on the air with his first ads until after this poll was taken. Lamborn has been up for a while.

Jon Hotaling, campaign manager for Lamborn, said the poll is flawed and skewed toward Democrats. He said internal polls show Lamborn has a "healthy" lead in the race, though he would not say how the polls are different because he "doesn't want Republicans to get complacent and not vote."

Pollsters interviewed 47 percent Republicans, 27 percent independents and 26 percent Democrats. Secretary of state records show that as of September, the district was 46 percent Republican, 32 percent unaffiliated and 22 percent Democratic.

"It polls too many Democrats and not enough unaffiliated voters. Our own internal polling shows that Doug has a healthy lead in this race and that we're going to continue working hard toward Election Day," Hotaling said.

Pollster Brad Coker said the poll was of likely voters, which varies from actual voter-registration numbers.

"Whether the Republican/ Democrat ratio is 47/26 or 46/22, it would only change the total point spread about a point - well within the margin for error," he said.

The Lamborn campaign won't release its internal numbers because they suck.

As for that "crazy Lamborn moment" I promised, here it is, from this last Friday's debate between Fawcett and Lamborn.

No wonder prominent Republican in the 5th are running away far, far away from him. Check out this diary on the debate if you want more context for that outburst. You want another Lamborn-ism from that debate?

Moderator: Let’s talk about the War in Iraq. What is your specific plan to win the War? Doug Lamborn will go first.

Lamborn: Can he go first? I went first last time!

Moderator: Uh… sure.

[While Jay Fawcett discusses a pretty comprehensive strategy to train the Iraqis to defend themselves while keeping American casualties low, Lamborn is writing furiously — apparently, he hadn’t given a whole lot of thought to the “how do we win the war” kind of question. Who knew they’d ask about Iraq?]

Here's Fawcett's ad. Remember that CO-05 is home of the Air Force Academy and is crawling with servicemembers and vets and those whose livelihood depends on their presence.

The campaign claims this is the first Democratic TV ad aired in this district ever. Help Fawcett:

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  •  Excuse me sir, why don't you keep your mouth shut (9+ / 0-)

    ... and delete my fucking [whatever] while you're at it.

    •  Er, are you talking to the Republican candidate (1+ / 0-)

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      here?

      Just wondering.

      Be good to each other. It matters.

      by AllisonInSeattle on Tue Oct 10, 2006 at 12:10:21 AM PDT

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    •  Hilarious (7+ / 0-)

      I was LMAO over that exchange.  And I liked how the paper covered it:

      The candidates also took on outspoken audience members.

         Interrupted while answering a question on the Iraq war, Lamborn replied, “Excuse me, sir, why don’t you keep your mouth shut?” Lamborn later apologized.

         When another man murmured that a Fawcett answer on alternative energy was “bull----,” Fawcett said: “No, it’s not bull----. That’s the way it is.”

      Who came off better in those two exchanges?  Too funny.

      Arrogant lips are unsuited to a fool-- how much worse lying lips to a ruler - Proverbs 17:7

      by BarbinMD on Tue Oct 10, 2006 at 02:06:00 AM PDT

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      •  Better still (5+ / 0-)

        Fawcett approached the audience member who said it was bull**** after the debate, and said something to the effect of "Thanks for coming; I knew I was on track when I saw your head nodding."

        Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves. - William Pitt

        by Phoenix Rising on Tue Oct 10, 2006 at 02:08:32 AM PDT

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      •  Barb (7+ / 0-)

        It's depressing though how many Republicans are supporting a candidate who is clearly incompetent. What is wrong with these Republicans? Don't they believe in supporting good candidates? My guess is after six years of following George W. Bush, the bar is set so low for many Republicans that they'd vote for anyone with an R after his or her name. Hopefully more Rs will wise up on their own otherwise we're going to need the world's largest deprogramming operation when this is finished to get rid of their cult-like tendencies.

        There is nothing more deceptive than an obvious fact. S. Holmes

        by Carnacki on Tue Oct 10, 2006 at 03:28:29 AM PDT

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        •  I was there and honestly (8+ / 0-)

          Doug Lamborn's speaking ability, thinking on his feet ability, made Dubya look like a freaking articulate genius.

          I am a Fawcett supporter and have been all along; I volunteer and didn't even need to go to the debate to know who would win.  I knew Jay could win easily.  But even I was shocked at how bad Lamborn was.  I was embarrassed for the guy.

          To give a visual to you, let me explain it this way.
          It was like watching an astute, intelligent and articulate college senior debate a mediocre, ill prepared middle schooler.

          I understand if people read the conservative leaning local papers one does not even come close to understanding how bad it was.  I was disappointed, albeit not surprised by the reporting.  But believe me, there was no contest.  Any honest person there, regardless of party affiliation, would admit the obvious.

          If any thinking person, any person with integrity wants CO-5 to be represented fairly, wants someone articulate and well spoken to speak for its citizenry, their only choice is to vote for Jay Fawcett.
          I cannot believe than an entire district would be so partisan, so closed minded, so sadly ignorant as to ever allow Lamborn to represent us.

          "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying the cross." -- Sinclair Lewis

        •  I don't think it's so much Lamborn... (2+ / 0-)

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          rather, most Republicans in Colorado Springs are smart enough to know that voting for Fawcett is like voting for Pelosi.

          As much as they don't like Lamborn (and there is probably 20% of the El Paso County GOP that likes him), they want to keep control of the House.

          •  Perhaps, but (4+ / 0-)

            as it becomes conventional wisdom that the Republicans will not hold the House, then Colorado Springs residents may start seeing the value of having a member of the majority representing them on the Armed Services Committee.

            Illegal is not a noun

            by Colorado Luis on Tue Oct 10, 2006 at 08:09:04 AM PDT

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          •  sadly (0+ / 0-)

            Colorado Springs has grown far FAR more rightwing than it was while I was growing up there during the 60s and 70s. You can thank "Focus On the Family" for that. I like Fawcett's ad--you'd THINK it would appeal to all the military folks in the area. What is WRONG with these people???

            "Nothing is worse than active ignorance." ~ Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

            by wildwood13 on Tue Oct 10, 2006 at 10:07:33 AM PDT

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            •  Don't necessarily agree.... (3+ / 0-)

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              one small, albeit vocal, quadrant of the city is Dobsonites drinking the Koolaid.
              A lot of the city has been awakened by their radicalism.  Granted, we let the monster of the evangelical right grow too big and way too loud.  But their noisy nonsense has awakened those of us sleeping.
              Do not judge us by the extremely biased newspaper, The Gazette, or even by the slanted television/radio media.
              Like much of the media nationwide their pocketbooks mean more than their journalistic integrity.

              When Jay is in Congress, remember that many of us said it could happen!

          •  That is simply garabge (0+ / 0-)

            Uninformed garbage at best.

            A vote for Jay is a vote for a person who knows, respects and understands the Constitution.
            A vote for Jay is a vote for a person who listens to constituents and respects their beliefs.  
            A vote for Jay is a vote for a person who respects and supports veterans on a very personal level because he is one.
            A vote for Jay is a vote for a person who knows and understands military doctrine from a first hand experience.
            A vote for Jay is a vote for a person who is articulate, intelligent as well as highly educated  and patriotic.

            Jay knows, as we all should know, that it is the job of Congress to challenge the administration, to ask questions because he gets what "checks and balances" means, and why there are three branches, not one branch of government.

            Jay will make all the citizenry of CO-5 proud.
            Lamborn will be an embarrassment.

            •  Maybe... (0+ / 0-)

              but it's still a vote for a Democratically controlled congress.

              •  As opposed to what? (0+ / 0-)

                A republican congress, a republican executive branch with tunnel vision, and a judiciary looking to their administration for what to do!!   We already have that!
                NO THANKS..been there, done that, am there, doing that and it stinks!

                I am not ready for locksteps and brown shirts
                Five years of this mess has been enough thank you very much,
                A democratically controlled congress means some questions might be asked,
                What a concept!
                Unless of course fascism is the goal!

                "In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." George Orwell

                •  I'm just telling you... (0+ / 0-)

                  how Republicans down in the springs think.

                  Look at two quotes from last Sunday's LA Times:

                  So what if he sent some dirty messages on the cell phone?  I'm not voting for Nancy Pelosi for Speaker.

                  So what if the guy's a closet racist?  It's more important for the Republicans to keep the Senate.

                  That's the way these people think.

        •  They're idiots. It's as simple as that. (6+ / 0-)

          It's difficult for folks on a progressive website, who are mostly educated, secure, fairly monied by societal standards, to understand that at least 30% of the population is composed of people barely intelligent enough to breathe and pump blood at the same time. I know that sounds "elitist," but once upon a time in this country, we understood that there were simply a fair number of stupid people in the world. We've probably gotten too touchy-feely about that now. They're all redeemable in God's eyes, and I'm sure God has wonderful plans for many of them, but He unfortunately can't guide them once they go into that voting booth and have the opportunity to vote their below-average consciences. It's kind of like that Vonage ad: "one smart decision amongst many, many stupid ones." Think of Republicans at this stage of the game as being like the bleached-blonde out on the beach looking at the circling sharks and shouting, "Oh, look at the dolphins! I'm going out to play with them!!"

    •  where the fuck is the link to donate? (2+ / 0-)

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      The campaign claims this is the first Democratic TV ad aired in this district ever. Help Fawcett:

      Kos, you didn't even link to his site?  WTF?  

      Is that too much to ask?

  •  If the area's crawling with service members (7+ / 0-)

    then my 2 cents is, they should get their hands on this song via Larry Kissell's campaign (NC), and run ads with it.

    http://www.dccc.org/...

    I played that song yesterday for my friend who was so gung ho on the Iraq war that at 40 he re-upped so he could go to Iraq and fight. Let me just say that he is now saying that "Congress is like a compost heap that needs to be turned over occasionally" and, tho a Republican, he is DEFINITELY voting for change in Congress.

    He loved the song. He said, "Wow, that's a famous singer, I know who that is, if I could just think of his name."

    That song is just right for people who love this country and are conservative. Or who came from rural or small town life.

    Be good to each other. It matters.

    by AllisonInSeattle on Tue Oct 10, 2006 at 12:08:29 AM PDT

  •  Oh, for a win in this district ... (12+ / 0-)

    ...the pro-choice, anti-Rumsfeld Fawcett will give the the Focus on Family folks multiple aneurysms. But no Democrat candidate for Congress has gotten more than 40 percent in the 5th in the 34 years there has been a 5th district. So it's the longest of long shots.

    I am an anti-imperialist. I am opposed to having the eagle put its talons on any other land. -- Mark Twain

    by Meteor Blades on Tue Oct 10, 2006 at 12:09:30 AM PDT

    •  Actually... (4+ / 0-)

      I think Bill Winter's campaign against Tom Tancredo is the longest of long shots.

      This one is great, too. I just think Fawcett has a decent chance to pull this one out. Bill Winter is a great candidate...but i think he has less of a chance in that race.

      Real beauty is seldom appreciated by popular culture

      by Mikesco on Tue Oct 10, 2006 at 12:16:12 AM PDT

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      •  Could be (2+ / 0-)

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        all I know about CO-5 comes from visiting there frequently since I was a kid (family in the area - don't ask).  It's brimming with religious right nutcases.  Remember all the brouhaha about religious intolerance at the Air Force Academy?  The people there didn't get it.  The Academy seemed a paragon of fairness in their eyes.

        If conservatives had had their way we'd still be an English colony.

        by baba durag on Tue Oct 10, 2006 at 12:23:55 AM PDT

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        •  I really hate to admit this (3+ / 0-)

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          Not that I'm familiar with the area--I'm proud of that.

          But I have a couple of relatives who work for Focus on the Family in that district.

          We're all in this together.

          by JTML on Tue Oct 10, 2006 at 12:32:24 AM PDT

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          •  Sorry, brah (2+ / 0-)

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            I'm afraid you're going to have to get back with your own kind then. Can't have any impurity in Generalissimo Kos' blogofascist empire.

            What's the difference between Vietnam and Iraq? Bush knew how to get out of Vietnam.

            by strandedlad on Tue Oct 10, 2006 at 12:35:15 AM PDT

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            •  Damn! (1+ / 0-)

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              Was he listening?

              I love me some Grand Vizier Kos!

              If conservatives had had their way we'd still be an English colony.

              by baba durag on Tue Oct 10, 2006 at 12:36:43 AM PDT

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              •  Big Bubba Kos (2+ / 0-)

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                is always watching. Mind your step.

                What's the difference between Vietnam and Iraq? Bush knew how to get out of Vietnam.

                by strandedlad on Tue Oct 10, 2006 at 12:39:45 AM PDT

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                •  ''Still shakin' that tree, boss... (1+ / 0-)

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                  still shakin' that tree."

                  If conservatives had had their way we'd still be an English colony.

                  by baba durag on Tue Oct 10, 2006 at 12:41:15 AM PDT

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                  •  (Yo, baba) (1+ / 0-)

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                    We play this right, we might get quoted in Lee Siegel's book on the blogosphere that he's researching while he's got all that free time from TNR.

                    What's the difference between Vietnam and Iraq? Bush knew how to get out of Vietnam.

                    by strandedlad on Tue Oct 10, 2006 at 12:44:31 AM PDT

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                    •  Don't we need (2+ / 0-)

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                      some sockpuppets or something?

                      I know.  We can pretend we're Siegel.  Now there was a brilliant essayist/humorist/douche bag/author if there ever was one.

                      If conservatives had had their way we'd still be an English colony.

                      by baba durag on Tue Oct 10, 2006 at 12:47:16 AM PDT

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                      •  You are not fit to be Lee Siegel's sockpuppet (4+ / 0-)

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                        Siegel is an abstractly brave, intellectually fierce human/Greek god hybrid, like Hercules. You wish you could be Lee Siegel. Except for the back hair.

                        What's the difference between Vietnam and Iraq? Bush knew how to get out of Vietnam.

                        by strandedlad on Tue Oct 10, 2006 at 12:50:25 AM PDT

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                        •  You (3+ / 0-)

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                          lightweight Lee Siegel wannabe.  You aren't fit to pick the lice from his luterous, luxurious backhair.  People phone ahead for a chance to stroke its' ethereal fineness.  (Alright, I just grossed myself out.)

                          If conservatives had had their way we'd still be an English colony.

                          by baba durag on Tue Oct 10, 2006 at 12:55:56 AM PDT

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                          •  This is precisely the sort of dilettante level (2+ / 0-)

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                            shoot-from-the-hip analysis that is to be expected from the loathesome maturbatory culture of the blogofascist regime. If you bothered to do any fact-checking at all, you would know that Lee Siegel's back hair is not luxurious, nor lustrous. It is black and coarse, like the stiff, yet sensitive back hair of a (rather godlike) boar. This is why you will always be a pathetic hack, and Lee Siegel will always get free dinners at expensive restaurants just for talking. You are not fit to spit on Lee Siegel's foot, although you are welcome to try. Loser.

                            What's the difference between Vietnam and Iraq? Bush knew how to get out of Vietnam.

                            by strandedlad on Tue Oct 10, 2006 at 01:05:59 AM PDT

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                            •  He is a rather godlike bore (2+ / 0-)

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                              Is he not?  But he's a piker on the boredom scale compared to you.  Your barely comprehensible ramblings would make Lee Siegel poke his eyes out with a sharp stick.  Or maybe some back hairs.

                              And facts!?  Who needs facts.  Lee Siegel creates his own reality, and leaves so-called facts to lower order beings such as your pitiful self.  While you ponder mere reality, Lee Siegel is writing large on the high plains of truthiness.  Gaze up, mere mortal, and embrace the greatness that is Lee Siegel and his pearlescent wisdom from beyond.

                              If conservatives had had their way we'd still be an English colony.

                              by baba durag on Tue Oct 10, 2006 at 01:14:19 AM PDT

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                              •  You pretentious twig -- yes, I said twig (2+ / 0-)

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                                I don't have the--let's not mince words here--stones to compare myself to Lee Siegel. I could only pray that my protomorphic ramblings would make Lee Siegel poke out Lee Siegel's eyes out with a sharp stick. In my wildest dreams, perhaps, I could imagine him scratching his cornea with an olive spear while gesticulating wildly in support of a vital point about the false manliness of baseball cap couture. You prig. You callous slapdoodle. You could never hope to walk in Lee Siegel's shoes. He is a size 5.

                                What's the difference between Vietnam and Iraq? Bush knew how to get out of Vietnam.

                                by strandedlad on Tue Oct 10, 2006 at 01:27:43 AM PDT

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                                •  Too true, too true (0+ / 0-)

                                  I couldn't even fit in his dress.  And as any Lee Sigel hopeful would know, slapdoodles get calloused from overuse (if you get Lee's drift).  Lee Siegel's daily slapdoodlings have been gracing the blogofascinetosphere since before there was one.  Only once he deigned to appear to lesser mortals did TNR realize they'd been slapdoodled upon.  Their howls of delight are still resounding around the tubes.  But sadly, Lee Siegel has moved on to more important self-expressions.

                                  If conservatives had had their way we'd still be an English colony.

                                  by baba durag on Tue Oct 10, 2006 at 01:35:48 AM PDT

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                            •  And (1+ / 0-)

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                              I never claimed his backhair was lustrous.  I said it was luterous (whatever the fuck that means).  So there, you Siegeloid mongrel beast.

                              If conservatives had had their way we'd still be an English colony.

                              by baba durag on Tue Oct 10, 2006 at 01:20:35 AM PDT

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          •  It's a nutty place (1+ / 0-)

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            Nice scenery, and Pike's Peak is right out the back door.  But if I go there these days I make sure I have my own transportation so I can escape at will.  I sympathize with your feelings.

            If conservatives had had their way we'd still be an English colony.

            by baba durag on Tue Oct 10, 2006 at 12:35:45 AM PDT

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        •  PLEASE (0+ / 0-)

          do not paint us all with the Dobsonite Brush.

          They have money, their own airwaves, and are loud bullies that get attention.

          That does NOT mean the entire city can be characterized as drinking the Koolaid.

          Jay is a great candidate and he has a great team and despite limited resources we are getting the word out.

          THINK: AGAINST ALL ODDS
          THINK: REMEMBER THE TITANS
          THINK: HOLDING OUT FOR A HERO

          Jay is the right man, at the right place, at the right time.

      •  Maybe. Seeing my old nemesis Tancredo ... (5+ / 0-)

        ...finally get his comeuppance would be a sweet victory, however, and I have contributed to Winter's campaign.

        I am an anti-imperialist. I am opposed to having the eagle put its talons on any other land. -- Mark Twain

        by Meteor Blades on Tue Oct 10, 2006 at 12:31:54 AM PDT

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    •  Run hard from behind, run fast when in front (5+ / 0-)

      Need to not just win. Need to win by so much that voter purges, swift-boating, fuzzy ballot math, push-pollinbg, and last-minute surprises can't touch us. Need to take momentum: push hard when we have to, and push faster when we can.

      Don't commit the cab driver's fallacy

      B&N review for Conned Again,Watson!

      ...the cab drivers' fallacy, in which cab drivers set themselves a daily revenue target and work until they achieve it, then knock off for the rest of the day. This results in working longer hours on slow days and fewer hours on busy days. In fact, it is a wiser strategy to work longer hours on busy days, when customers are plentiful, and quit early on slow, unproductive days.

      That is, buy the ads now, when people are receptive. Call them now when they're ready to listen.

      Why is there a Confederate Flag flying in Afghanistan?

      by chimpy on Tue Oct 10, 2006 at 12:52:05 AM PDT

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    •  Looooooooove that Ad n/t. (0+ / 0-)

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    •  Starting to think... (0+ / 0-)

      the Dems momentum in Colorado is petering out.

      Paccione appears to be tanking vs. Musgrave.  She really needs to go hard negative and show some pictures of Marilyn with Denny or something.  She's playing defense in a race she's losing.

      Winter hasn't had any polls released that I've seen and that's not a good sign.

      Fawcett has a tough row to hoe, but appears to be Colorado's second best chance for a pickup after Perlmutter.

      Even Salazar is slipping back into a dogfight.

      Only Perlmutter is pulling away.  And let's face it, Rick O'Donnell is such a moron that he was bound to lose.

      Of course, Both Ways Bob Frenchy Beauprez is a LOSER, but after that it's unlikely that we'll get any statewide offices.  The Republicans have been sliming every Colorado House member that's even close to competitive, and that will have to stick in at least some districts.

      Right now, it looks like our best hope is that the Rethugs get despondent and sit things out this time.

      •  Huh? (1+ / 0-)

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        The way to look at this for the last few weeks, and they way to frame it for the far less politically involved, is to emphasize the leads and the need to work to maintain them.

        That's the reality, in my view.  I expect races to tighten, but still I expect us to capture more than a single new seat in Congress, plus Governor and both houses of the state legislature.

        I just don't have any time for getting negative right now ... too busy pitching in where I can, and encouraging others to do the same!

        Why, no ... I'm not voting for John McCain.

        by by foot on Tue Oct 10, 2006 at 08:50:25 AM PDT

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  •  All right, Kos baby (4+ / 0-)

    We know you don't like contractors--er, mercenaries.

    What's the difference between Vietnam and Iraq? Bush knew how to get out of Vietnam.

    by strandedlad on Tue Oct 10, 2006 at 12:09:54 AM PDT

  •  Just what we need (3+ / 0-)

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    Another repug anger management problem.  Go get 'em Fawcett!  CO  is getting purpler (even bluer?)by the day.

    "Too many good docs are getting out of the business. Too many OB-GYNs aren't able to practice their love with women all across this country." - Dubya

    by LiberalDoc on Tue Oct 10, 2006 at 12:10:06 AM PDT

  •  that youtube ad (3+ / 0-)

    really made me smile.  Its nice to see a democratic with some cajones.

  •  This seems like a natural (1+ / 0-)

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    Have people in the district begun calling Lamborn "Lame Brain" yet?

    We're all in this together.

    by JTML on Tue Oct 10, 2006 at 12:11:42 AM PDT

  •  That's the first time I've ever seen Lamborn (6+ / 0-)

    And I can't even imagine how he got the nomination.  Good lord.  The guy looks and sounds like a weasel to begin with.  Add in that he's unstable and you've got a recipe for electoral disaster.

    Oh, wait.  I just described the entire GOP slate of candidates, nationwide.

    Except Katherine Harris.  She's just scary.

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    by Sinfonian on Tue Oct 10, 2006 at 12:11:46 AM PDT

  •  37-37? (1+ / 0-)

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    That's a lot of undecideds.

    "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."- Thomas Jefferson

    by RandyMI on Tue Oct 10, 2006 at 12:11:49 AM PDT

  •  Lambert is as crazy as the fucking (5+ / 0-)

    chimp. He is yelling at audience members. Wackjobs, they are all insane. Are these the kinds of people that have been supporting Hastert all these years? What a bunch of Creeps and Idiots. Throw the bums OUT.

    It's Obamazing!!!!!!!!!!!!

    by Chamonix on Tue Oct 10, 2006 at 12:13:30 AM PDT

    •  More info, from a conservative site (1+ / 0-)

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      Here's what his friends are saying about State Senator (means he has a voting record) Lame Brain:

      Doug Lame Brain is a solid conservative with a history of fiscal restraint. He supports reforming education to give more choices to parents instead of dumping more money into a bloated bureaucracy. He believes there should be little to no federal role in education as those decision should be best left up to local areas to determine their own needs. Education is the absolute key to continued economic development and sustainability and it is clear that school choice will once again produce schools and students who are representative of the greatness of this nation.

      [State] Senator Lame Brain understands that the problem with health care in the United States is not because the government isn't in charge, but because the government has skewed the incentive system away from consumers. The solution isn't to remove the consumer even farther from the equation, but to put the consumer square in the middle and allow them to make flexible choices for their own health care.

      The use of eminent domain to take property from the disenfranchised and give it to the enfranchised has left those on all parts of the political spectrum a sense of fear. It was only a matter of time when the Court gave local governments the right to kick people out of their homes that those governments would stop paying fair market value for the properties they seized. [State] Senator Lame Brain understands private property rights as a foundational aspect of our society, government, and nation. Our freedoms are not something granted by the government out if its magnimity, but these are rights inherent in our society that the government is not free to intrude upon.

      [State] Senator Lame Brain has won endorsements from the NRA, the National Pro-Life Alliance, and the Club for Growth as well as many other conservative endorsements.

      We're all in this together.

      by JTML on Tue Oct 10, 2006 at 12:26:51 AM PDT

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  •  Just an fyi (1+ / 0-)

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    The Fawcett link doesn't show up if you have images turned off in your browser.
    •  oh i have all kos images turned off at this point (0+ / 0-)

      maybe that's why i didn't see a donate link?

      oh well.  i won't see any donate links if kos isn't gonna hyperlink them in the text, which would be an obvious thing to do imo.   i turned off all images here.   i don't think there's a question as to why i did so if you read my comments.

  •  I didn't realize (3+ / 0-)

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    he was this much of a loose cannon.

    I think people should just rile him up wherever he goes. Nicely. Is there a young camera guy of Asian-Indian descent in the area?

    Let his base see him become unhinged. Well, maybe not his base, because they will blame it on whoever stokes the guy up, but maybe the undecideds.  

    Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has. -- Margaret Mead

    by BoxerRebellion on Tue Oct 10, 2006 at 12:23:46 AM PDT

    •  No hint of racism (yet) (0+ / 0-)

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      But he's completely unhinged anyway.  If he actually made public appearances, he'd be a prime target.  But he's been hard to pin down; he's supposedly got support from one of the local conservative radio show hosts - suggested that the host run one of the debates, in fact - but he's been completely absent from the show, while Jay's been on several times.

      Jay has been everywhere - including, IIRC, the Focus on the Family candidate forum back during the Republican primary!

      Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves. - William Pitt

      by Phoenix Rising on Tue Oct 10, 2006 at 12:50:05 AM PDT

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  •  Highly recommend DemNotes (1+ / 0-)

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    I highly recommend clicking through on the "another Lamborn-ism" link and reading CO Dem 1st Vice Chair Dan Slater's summary of the debate.  It's hilarious!

    Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves. - William Pitt

    by Phoenix Rising on Tue Oct 10, 2006 at 12:23:56 AM PDT

  •  Thanks Kos (4+ / 0-)

    $50.01 to Jay Fawcett.

    "The question isn't 'Is America ready for Barack Obama;' the question is, 'Is America ready for a smart President." John Lovitz

    by Kdoug on Tue Oct 10, 2006 at 12:25:02 AM PDT

  •  Context for CRAZY Lamborn video (4+ / 0-)

    Fawcett was DEFENDING the Netroots

    From a comment over at SquareState  :

    Doug wanted Jay to give back the ActBlue money, and Doug tried to tie Kos back to his "screw them" comment about the 4 dead Blackwater mercs in Fallujah (early 2004).

    Doug tried to smear the contributors (1,500 at about $21.00 each), tried to smear Kos, MyDD, and SwingState, and did it on a Bronze Star'd vet.

    Doug didn't really know anything about the issue so there was nothing he could argue for or against - hence the deer in the headlights, and Jay kicked his ass faster than you can say "swift boat".

    Also, this commenter at ColoradoPols claims to be the guy who is being verbally assaulted by Lamborn.

    "Cynicism is a sorry kind of wisdom" - Barack Obama

    by pacified on Tue Oct 10, 2006 at 12:25:41 AM PDT

  •  P.S. (4+ / 0-)

    WatchThis.

    It's A conservative Meltdown!

    "The question isn't 'Is America ready for Barack Obama;' the question is, 'Is America ready for a smart President." John Lovitz

    by Kdoug on Tue Oct 10, 2006 at 12:29:01 AM PDT

  •  Major battle here. Don't forget the Air Force (2+ / 0-)

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    Academy's problem with fundamentalist "Christians".  Well worth the fight, but don't underestimate the enemy.  Funding always helps.

  •  So after staring at these numbers for an hour (3+ / 0-)

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    I finally looked at the partisan breakout.

    1. Lamborn is only pulling 61% of Republicans???  Ouch!
    1. Fawcett is well on his way to a victory if he can improve on the impressive 14% Republican draw he already has.
    1. Fawcett needs to work on the Independents - a lot.

    The undecided Republicans are probably still contemplating the unkindnesses done by Lamborn during the primary.  Lamborn can win or lose them depending on how well he treats them and their former candidates - so far he's done a piss-poor job of it.

    The Independents will probably listen to the debates and the TV ads before making a decision.  I don't have formal numbers, but I'm guessing a lot of them are military and non Dobson/Bruce types.  These people could really go for Jay if they got informed about him.

    We probably shouldn't have 19% of Democrats still undecided.  We probably shouldn't have 5% of Democrats voting for Lamborn, either.  I'm wondering if the poll actually stated the candidate's affiliation in the main question.

    Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves. - William Pitt

    by Phoenix Rising on Tue Oct 10, 2006 at 12:43:14 AM PDT

    •  Well (1+ / 0-)

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      5% will always defect to the other party. That happens in any race. I think that Fawcett will get back that 19%. If Fawcett is indeed polling 39% of Republicans then he perhaps has enough crossover votes to win.

      However, in all honestly, if the Democrats win CO-5, then they are winning the House back. I still think that Lamborn is going to win this race unfortunately, only because of the punishing voter registration lead that Republicans have in the district. If Fawcett can poll 45% it will be a victory.

      Even if Fawcett does win he will probably be a one-termer. For when 2008 comes, if Fawcett is in office, the local Republican Party will coalesce with a much stronger nominee. This nominee will simply be able to have a name on the ballot, and that is enough to win in a heavily Republican district like CO-5.  

      But given that the GOP is having trouble in this district, which should already have been thiers after the August primary, it is clear that they will be in for a tough election night. This is not a district that should be competetive this late in the cycle.

      Unfortunately I still think Lamborn is the narrow favorite here. The one factor that will probably pull him to victory is that this district is just too Republican for a Democrat to win.

    •  What concerns me is the independent numbers (0+ / 0-)

      Even in a district as red as CO-05, in a year like this Fawcett should be pulling more indies.

      If he can get 14% of Republicans, he has to be getting more than 27% of indies.

      "Intelligence and stupidity have no limits. Unfortunately it looks like stupidity has won" -Arsene Wenger

      by brownsox on Tue Oct 10, 2006 at 07:47:23 AM PDT

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  •  Concerned a bit.. (0+ / 0-)

    The "Democrats" that I'm occasionally sending my measly pittance to due to Kos' recommendations - They're Democrats, right?

    The Standard Oil bit gives me pause.

    How much is enough, Gordon?

    by SecondComing on Tue Oct 10, 2006 at 12:51:15 AM PDT

  •  Maybe not relevant, but I have a problem with... (2+ / 0-)

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    Fawcett's question to Lamborn in the debate.  Private sector military units are nothing new in history.  They've only fallen out of favor since the turn of the 20th century.  

    I think my views on this are typically seen as Daily Kos heresy, but there's nothing inherently wrong with the contracting of private military units.  It's only wrong in its present form because our government is so incompetent at regulating the industry (i.e., presently there is no real regulation of the industry).  I wrote a diary about it here.  It wasn't too popular, but I truly believe that people like Fawcett have an irrational fear of privatized military firms.  The industry is just like any other: good regulation = success, while bad or no regulation = things like Abu Ghraib and Halliburton.

    Despite my views on that, I'd still vote for Fawcett.  I'm a veteran of Afghanistan and Iraq (as a soldier, not a contractor) and I hate Republicans.  

    •  I don't see it. (3+ / 0-)

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      We're paying them how much?  Compared to how much for our own soldiers?  The hiring of mercenaries is a substitute for the lack of solid planning - at least in this case.

      BTW, the reason Fawcett asked the question is that Lamborn used Fawcett's Netroots endorsement as a means to smear Fawcett with Kos's supposedly dismissive comment on the mercs in Falujah.  Fawcett did the smart thing and pre-empted the attack; Lamborn was completely unprepared in real-time and looked like an idiot.

      Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves. - William Pitt

      by Phoenix Rising on Tue Oct 10, 2006 at 12:59:49 AM PDT

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      •  That's fine... (1+ / 0-)

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        about why Fawcett asked the question.  Thanks for clarifying.  I still don't necessarily agree with it (or with Kos' views on contractors for that matter), but if it helps get another Democrat into the House, count me in.  Hell, I'd be willing to argue against contractors if it meant we could turn Congress over to the Democrats.

        •  It's not that they are used (0+ / 0-)

          It's how they are used: it's the fact they put our troops in danger, it's the $1000 a day while our guys lack armor, it's profits for giant corporations over really committing to do "everything", it's letting Rummy run the war "off the books", it's Geneva, it's, it's half-assing a job and saying you nailed it.

          It's the story of George Bush's life. You really have questions?

    •  Mercenaries (2+ / 0-)

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      Are contractors sworn to uphold the US Constitution?  If not, we don't need them.

    •  The question is still fair (1+ / 0-)

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      as is your reasoned response.  

  •  OMG that's the SPRINGS DISTRICT!?!!?!?! (4+ / 0-)

    I will fall over and DIE if we can get a Democrat elected there! I can't believe it!

    As a former Coloradan (Denver/Boulder, thank God) who knows that Colorado Springs is the home of all the Religious Right organizations, that area to me represents kind of a... well, you know... 9th ring of hell.

    Good luck, and WOW!

    WOW!

    •  Yes, indeedy (3+ / 0-)

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      This is the infamous CO Springs district.  Home of James "SpongeDob" Dobson - purveyor of advice on dads taking showers with their sons.  Home of Tony "Catholics aren't Christian" Perkins.  Home of Doug "TABOR" Bruce.  And oh, so many more.

      It would be my great pleasure if I could sit up on high and watch thousands of GOP loyalists' heads explode on Nov. 7th when Jay wins this race.  Unfortunately, circumstances say I have to be in another county for the evening, but I'll still get the vicarious thrill from it all.  Please help to make it so.  Please?

      Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves. - William Pitt

      by Phoenix Rising on Tue Oct 10, 2006 at 01:04:11 AM PDT

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