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*** UPDATE: The letter to fax officals and candidates is now available on the finger2006.com website! Follow the instructions, pick your targets, fax them, and then call to follow up later. ***

This is it.  We are going to make Congress repeal Section 1076 of the National Defense Appropriations Act of 2007: the paragraphs that gut the Posse Comitatus Act and smooth the President's path towards declaring martial law.  It begins here and now.

We're going to do this by making every incumbent and every challenger for federal offices and governorships take a stand on the repeal of Section 1076.

If you're wondering what all this is about, this is a good place to start.

I will be updating this diary continually over the day, and I intend to post new diaries with continual updates every day through the election. More below.

Intro to FINGER

We're going to raise the profile of this obscene abuse of executive power by letting the people of this country know what has just been done to them under a cloak of secrecy and cloud of confusion.  We're going to talk on the radio.  We're going to write letters.  We're going to send faxes and make calls.

I have started an organization with an unwieldy name but a good acronym: FINGER.  The symbol for FINGER is one raised finger.  No, not that one - the index finger.  The ones that we've seen Iraqis raising when they vote.  Because our struggle for our democracy is now no less critical or momentous than theirs.

But first, a personal aside

First, let's get one thing out of the way.  I have been blogging during the campaign system under an additional account - Greg at Carter for Nevada - always avoiding any interaction between that account and this one.  I had e-mailed Markos of my intention to do so, and by my reading of the rules it does not constitute sockpuppetry.  I raise this up here because it is likely to come up in comments.  As a courtesy, please direct all discussion of sockpuppetry to my "farewell" diary from yesterday.  I'll respond if and when I have time.

Second, my diary yesterday was to announce that I had quit the Carter campaign - with Jack Carter's permission and good wishes - to devote my full time between now and the election to raising this issue.  As I note in that farewell diary, most of my work for Jack was already complete and I have been more than replaced.  If you want to discuss that, please direct it to the other diary as well.

The importance of that is that I am no longer affiliated with any campaign, and I will not coordinate my efforts with any campaign.  Anyone who wants to send media my way can do so -- but I'm not going to be part of arranging or planning it.  This is a non-partisan effort to wake up the American people as to what Section 1076 has done.

That approach is not only right, it is wise.  Liberals do not have to be convinced of the danger posed by the concentration of power under this President.  Conservatives and moderates and independents do.  I want this effort to reach across party and ideological lines.  I want the national consensus that this law must be repealed to be so strong that the issue goes away because no one dares disaagree - that even George W. Bush runs away from its implications.  Only a nonpartisan effort can deliver that result.

What is FINGER?

FINGER stands for - sorry about this - "Federalists for Independence in National Guard Emergency Response."  The good part about that unwieldy name is that once you finish explaining it to people, they will get the issue.

As described on our web page - which has been provided by a wonderful volunteer and is still under construction:

Federalist

Federalist means one who favors "federalism": the principle that some government activities belong to the federal government, while others belong to the states. The classic example of an activity assigned to the states is "policing." We as a nation have always wanted our policing to be done at the state and local level. We have not wanted a national police force that ultimately was under the control of a single person. A national police force opens the door to tyranny.

Independence

Independence means that a state Governor, not the President, should have the final say in how and when to deploy a state's National Guard troops. This principle was already watered down in Perpich v. Department of Defense, a unanimous 1990 Supreme Court decision that said that a Governor cannot veto use of National Guard troops in an overseas commitment. Whatever you think about that, it's very different from the Governor not having the final say about the domestic deployment of troops for the purpose of law enforcement.

National Guard

The National Guard is the military force of each state and territory -the "Governor's muscle." The Governor can call up the National Guard for purposes such as disaster relief or emergency law enforcement. The President can call up a state National Guard to supplement regular troops in a foreign war. The President's power to call up the National Guard for domestic use - to enforce federal law through what is called "martial law" - is restricted by the Posse Comitatus Act (18 U.S.C. § 1385). The exceptions to this law -when the President can call up National Guard troops for domestic use, are found in the Insurrection Act (10 U.S.C. §§ 331 -335).

Emergency Response

Emergency Response refers to the conditions under which the National Guard can be deployed. Congress has expanded the exceptions to the Posse Comitatus Act to where the President can deploy National Guard troops domestically, for federal law enforcement, for pretty much any emergency he thinks is appropriate. Now, because Congress passed Section 1076, "The President may employ the armed forces, including the National Guard in Federal service, to ... (B) suppress, in a State, any insurrection, domestic violence, unlawful combination, or conspiracy if such insurrection, violation, combination, or conspiracy results in a condition [that] ... (2) opposes or obstructs the execution of the laws of the United States or impedes the course of justice under those laws." You could drive a tank through this new exception to the Posse Comitatus Act!

Put them together, and FINGER says to the President:

Keep your fingers off the Governor's control over the National Guard and restore the Posse Comitatus Act to its former state!  Repeal Section 1076!

If you have improvements, let me know.  I hope it's not bad for a late-night first draft.

Our goals

Our first goal is to get the President to renounce this authority.

We want him to pledge that he will not use any of these new powers that have been granted to him.  We also want him to pledge to sign a repeal of Section 1076.

There is some possibility that this won't happen, so we have a second goal as well.

We want every incumbent Governor and Member of Congress - and every candidate for Governor and Member of Congress - to take a public stance on the repeal of Section 1076.  We will make that information available as it comes in.

Our plan

Media strategy

(1) People - conservatives, populists, and libertarians as well as liberals - are needed to talk about this issue knowledgably on the radio (and television, if it comes to that), and to write editorials, web articles, and letters to the editor about it.

(2) Forums - smaller radio stations who need to scramble for talk show guests and smaller newspapers are probably the best bet - where our people can tell our story.

Grassroots strategy

(1) We will be compiling a list of all incumbent Governors and Members of Congress and candidates for these offices, with their e-mail addresses, phone numbers, and fax numbers.  Many of you have suggested places where these are located - if you'd like to collect all of the information in one space, that would be great, because our Webperson is overburdened.

(2) I have drafted a letter - into which you will handwrite the address information - to be faxed.  I'm just making this available; you're faxing this on your own dime, if you choose to do so.

(3) People will choose officials and candidates to whom to fax this material.  They will follow up as needed with e-mail and phone calls.

(4) We will post information to the website - and here, if necessary - letting people know whether candidates and officials support or oppose the repeal of section 1076.

(5) And then we will see what happens.

A final note on working across ideological lines

If any of you have accounts on Redstate, LGF, etc., go ahead and post this there.  The same, of course, with Booman, MLW, etc.

Honest conservatives - especially anyone who has ever said a kind word about the 10th Amendment and the dignity of the state - should be with us on this.

We're not opposing conservatism this time.

We're opposing authoritarianism.

And the people of this country will be with us.

It starts here and now.

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  •  Apologies for the false start (127+ / 0-)

    and thank you to the people who alerted me to it.  I'm deleting it, with apologies to anyone who has posted there, due to the 1 diary per day rule (and to avoid confusion.)

    Please respond to this post ONLY with info about booking media throughout the U.S.

    Thanks.  Substative post to follow.

    My apologies to students who took my U.S. Government class in the 90s: evidently the Constitution doesn't limit Presidential power after all. Who knew?

    by Major Danby on Sun Oct 29, 2006 at 01:31:35 PM PST

    •  Is this the sort of thing you are looking for? (10+ / 0-)

      West Virginia (mostly talk) radio stations  from:  http://www.radio-locator.com/...

      Please Note:  These address comes from the FCC's database and may not be up to date. For verified radio station mailing addresses, please look at our mailing list options. (takes you to links for databases you have to pay for)

      WAJR-AM

      Station Address:
      1251 EARL CORE ROAD
      Morgantown, WV 26505
      Phone: 304-296-0029
      Fax: 304-296-3876

      If it is, I can post the rest of the list here and someone can copy it to the website or use it in whatever way they need.

      It's not enough to be in the majority, you have to stand for something. - Russ Feingold

      by zett on Sun Oct 29, 2006 at 02:24:05 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  Yes. And as I understand it -- i.e. not well -- (5+ / 0-)

        having the name of the booker for the station is also useful.

        It would be great to have the name of stations in districts and states with competitive races -- that's where people will presumably pay the most attention.

        My apologies to students who took my U.S. Government class in the 90s: evidently the Constitution doesn't limit Presidential power after all. Who knew?

        by Major Danby on Sun Oct 29, 2006 at 02:40:20 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  Okay. I will go back through my list and see (2+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          Major Danby, greenearth

          if I can find the bookers and flag the ones in WV's 2nd congressional district because I know that one is competitive (c.f. Carnacki's Mike Callaghan vs Capito diaries).

          It's not enough to be in the majority, you have to stand for something. - Russ Feingold

          by zett on Sun Oct 29, 2006 at 03:14:24 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

        •  Okay, here's an updated list. No bookers, sorry. (2+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          CSI Bentonville, goodasgold

          Updated list:  I could not find information for booking agents or talent coordinators (maybe I don't know how to look) but I have added some e-mails and websites for hosts of certain programs and station email address when available.

          Also, here's a how-to on getting on talk radio (specific to a Catholic group but applicable to others)

          http://www.nccbuscc.org/...

          West Virginia (mostly talk) radio stations  from:  http://www.radio-locator.com/...

          Please Note:  These address comes from the FCC's database and may not be up to date. For verified radio station mailing addresses, please look at our mailing list options. (takes you to links for databases you have to pay for)

          WAJR-AM

          Station Address:
          1251 EARL CORE ROAD
          Morgantown, WV 26505
          Phone: 304-296-0029
          Fax: 304-296-3876

          Hoppy Kercheval  talkline@wvmetronews.com
          on-air talk numbers:  1-800-765-8255
          or 304-296-0041

          Hoppy K. is probably the biggest single name in WV radio.
          _________________________

          WBGS-AM - Point Pleasant, WV
          Station Address:

          P.O. BOX 889

          Blacksburg, VA 24060
          Phone: 304-675-2763
          Fax: 304-675-2771
          _______________________

          WCHS-AM  in CD-02 where the Callaghan/Capito race is getting close

          Charleston, West Virginia

          Website  http://www.58wchs.com/

          Station Address:
          GREER BUILDING, RTE. 7
          Morgantown, WV 26505
          Phone: 304-342-8131
          Fax: 304-344-4745
          E-mail:  58wchs@wvradio.com
          ______________________

          WELD-AM 690 kHz CD-02
          Fisher, West Virginia
             
          Station Format: Farm

          Station Address:
          RT.1, KESSEL ROAD
          Fisher, WV 26818
          Phone: 304-538-6062
          Fax: 304-538-7032
          curtisdurst@hotmail.com
          ______________________

          WHIS-AM 1440 kHz

          Websitehttp://www.talkradiowhis.com/

          Station Address:
          900 BLUEFIELD AVE.
          Bluefield, WV 24701
          Phone: 304-327-7114
          Fax: 304-325-7850

          RadioActive Guest booking: wpaine@adventureradio.com
          ____________________________

          WKKX-AM 1600 kHz
          Wheeling, West Virginia

          Website  http://www.am1600thedawg.com/

          Audio Feed mms://webcast.1st.net/WKKX

          Station Address:
          PO Box 630

          Wheeling, WV

          Phone: 304-214-1609
          Fax: 304-214-1610
          Hosts:
          David Blomquist  bloomdaddy@wkkx.com
          George Kellas  kellas@wkkx.com
          Sherry McCutcheon  broadcast@wkkx.com
          Tod Jeffers  jerrers@wkkx.com
          ________________________________

          WMMN-AM 920 kHz
          Fairmont, West Virginia

          Website http://www.920wmmn.com/

          Station Address:
          P.O. BOX 1549
          Fairmont, WV 26555
          Phone: 304-366-3700
          Fax: 304-366-3706
          ___________________________________

          WMOV-AM 1360 kHz  CD-02
          Ravenswood, West Virginia

          Website http://www.wmov1360.com/

          Audio Feed http://www.3dnet.com/...

          Station Address:
          527 Gibbs St.
          Ravenswood, WV 26164
          Phone: 304-273-2544
          Fax: 304-868-1360
          E-mail:  contact@wmov1360.com

          ____________________________________

          WRNR-AM 740 kHz  CD-02
          Martinsburg, West Virginia
          Website http://www.talkradiowrnr.com/

          Station Address:

          P.O. BOX 709

          Martinsburg, VA 25401
          Phone: 304-263-6586
          Fax: 304-263-3082  
          info@talkradiowrnr.com
          _____________________________________

          WRVC-AM 930 kHz  **has Ed Schultz and Al Franken**
          Huntington, West Virginia

          Website http://www.wrvc.am/

          Station Address:
          401 11TH ST, SUITE 200
          Huntington, WV 25701
          Phone: 304-523-8401
          Fax: 304-523-4848
          wrvc@wrvc.com
          ___________________________________

          WVHU-AM 800 kHz
          Huntington, West Virginia

          Website http://800wvhu.com/

          Station Address:  THIS IS A CLEAR CHANNEL OWNED STATION
          600 CONGRESS AVENUE
          SUITE 1400
          Austin, TX 78701
          Phone: 304-525-7788
          Fax: 304-525-6281
          Local address:  134 4th Avenue
          Huntington, WV 25701
          _______________________________________

          WVLY-AM 1370 kHz
          Moundsville, West Virginia

          http://www.wvly.net

          Station Address:
          Broadcast House at Windsor Manor
          1143 Main Street Ste. 200
          Wheeling, WV 26003
          Phone: 304-233-9859
          Fax: 304-214-9859
          wvlyradio@aol.com
          ______________________________________

          WWYO-AM 970 kHz
          Pineville, West Virginia
              Station Format: Variety

          Station Address:
          P. O. BOX 647
          Bluefield, WV 24701
          Fax: 304-327-5651

          __________________________________________

          WVJW-FM 94.1 MHz
          Benwood, West Virginia
            Station Format: Variety

          Website http://wvjw.info/

          _________________________________

          It's not enough to be in the majority, you have to stand for something. - Russ Feingold

          by zett on Sun Oct 29, 2006 at 07:37:47 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

    •  are you looking at dealing with (3+ / 0-)

      college newspapers also?

      I know that they are sometimes looking for copy.

      "Computer. End holographic program...Computer? Computer?"

      by kredwyn on Sun Oct 29, 2006 at 06:26:19 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  Why not? (2+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        walkshills, CSI Bentonville

        They can write me at finger2006@gmail.com.  I'm going to try to shift to using that address for all of this stuff, but it may take a while; there's a lot of inertia keeping me on the other account.

        My apologies to students who took my U.S. Government class in the 90s: evidently the Constitution doesn't limit Presidential power after all. Who knew?

        by Major Danby on Sun Oct 29, 2006 at 07:41:20 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  okay...done... (0+ / 0-)

          One of my students is a reporter for the campus paper. Gave her that email address as well as the URL for this diary.

          They're itching for beyond campus news that is relevant to their lives.

          "Computer. End holographic program...Computer? Computer?"

          by kredwyn on Mon Oct 30, 2006 at 09:55:51 AM PST

          [ Parent ]

    •  I don't understand what it means (0+ / 0-)

      Major Danby, this sounds really bad but I can't understand exactly how bad, because I don't know what this part means:

      (B) suppress, in a State, any insurrection, domestic violence, unlawful combination, or conspiracy if such insurrection, violation, combination, or conspiracy results in a condition [that] ... (2) opposes or obstructs the execution of the laws of the United States or impedes the course of justice under those laws.

      So, the preznit can use the National Guard as a police force? Is that the problem? I don't get it & don't understand what he can do with the national guard.

      Can he do anything that state governors couldn't do before?

      I think you need to provide more information about why this is so serious!

      •  The problem with this is (2+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        Kimberley, DblTrbl4Me

        the concentration and unchecked imposition of power.

        Let's be serious about what "martial law" is.  Martial law -- if the military commanders require it -- is "you don't go out of your house or you get shot."  This could be before curfew hours, or it could be at all.  Your constitutional rights are severly curtailed.  It is an extreme measure taken to preserve order in an emergency.

        Sometimes, no doubt, you unfortunately have to do that.  The question is who can do it and what political controls exist to rein in this power.  The President may have political gains from declaring an emergency in one part of the country quite apart from the merits -- but no one is going to stop him.
        Because the President can act nationally, you have a concentration of power.  One man can basically lock up large swathes of the country and no one can effectively challenge his determination that it is necessary.

        That concentration of power is ripe for abuse.  What the President does in Baltimore, or Chicago, or Las Vegas, or Billings, is not going to matter much to his re-election.  He doesn't depend on his relationship to people in the community for his future.  The usual checks that have been in place for a Governor's imposition of martial law are largely absent from a President's imposition of martial law -- that's one reason that a federal declaration is so very rare.

        Getting the Governor's assent for martial law is not such a great step to ask.  If one man, alone, can lock a hundred million people into their homes on his (or Karl Rove's) say so, we simply move too close to the possibility of dictatorship for comfort.

        My apologies to students who took my U.S. Government class in the 90s: evidently the Constitution doesn't limit Presidential power after all. Who knew?

        by Major Danby on Sun Oct 29, 2006 at 10:52:34 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

  •  Much better. :-) (44+ / 0-)

    A request to other readers: PLEASE honor Greg's request to direct meta-user comments to his diary from yesterday, and refrain from cluttering up this one with off-topic stuff like that.  This is important and we need to stay on point in discussing it.

    I've been upset by crap that BushCo have pulled up till now -- angry and disgusted and frequently downright infuriated by such things as the Military Commissions Act and the NSA wiretapping, just to name a couple.

    This time, I'm beyond infuriated and am tiptoeing into "scared", and Section 1076 is what is scaring me.

    Sit up and pay attention, folks.  To quote David Byrne, this ain't no foolin' around.

    VOTE, n. The instrument and symbol of a freeman's power to make a fool of himself and a wreck of his country. - The Devil's Dictionary

    by Mehitabel9 on Sun Oct 29, 2006 at 01:37:30 PM PST

  •  Here's how you can help -- right now (27+ / 0-)

    I am not only creating content for the web site (including revising the letter that will be posted there), but am working with wonderful Webstein on the website, which is under construction but already looking good.

    I have NOT had to time to collect information that has been offered about where I should contact bookers for shows.

    NOR have I had time to contact other people -- former Governors may be the most likely bets -- who may be willing and able to talk about this.

    NOR have I had time to put the full lists of officials, fax numbers, etc., into a convenient location for people to use when they pick their targets.

    If you can do any of that, you will help push this project along.  Thanks in advance.

    My apologies to students who took my U.S. Government class in the 90s: evidently the Constitution doesn't limit Presidential power after all. Who knew?

    by Major Danby on Sun Oct 29, 2006 at 01:44:02 PM PST

  •  this is shocking (22+ / 0-)

    I read your first diary on the subject and I have to admit my eyes glazed over.  Partly due to the fact that it required trying to understand the smallest changes in a law that I knew nothing about yesterday.  I have to admit I didn't pay much attention.  

    The diary yesterday however really stopped to get me to look closer at this and it gave me a sick feeling all day yesterday.  This is bad.  And the absolute silence thus far is appalling.  I hope you're able to get some traction with this, because if not I'm not sure there is any hope for the US.  If people across the political spectrum cannot see how seriously threatening this is, then the world is screwed.

    •  independent citizens' militias..? (3+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      Eternal Hope, DblTrbl4Me, CenterLeft

      What if citizens were to form independent state militias that, strictly speaking, were not the National Guard but were still under a chain of command leading up to their state governors' offices?  

      By this I do not mean the "militia movement" as the extreme righties had it some years ago, but something fully legal and out in the open, something that would be privately organized and funded but controlled through the state.   Could something like this be done via the existing structure of county sheriffs' offices, for example, a sheriff's auxiliary deputy system or something of that kind?  

      •  Check out Wikipedia (0+ / 0-)

        on a believe Posse Comitatus or National Guard, and I believe that there's a law there that says that any state group having these characteristics and serving these functions has to be called the National Guard and has to be made part of the National Guard of the United States as a result.  But I really haven't researched that well enough yet.

        My apologies to students who took my U.S. Government class in the 90s: evidently the Constitution doesn't limit Presidential power after all. Who knew?

        by Major Danby on Sun Oct 29, 2006 at 06:03:14 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  so slip it into existing law enforcement (0+ / 0-)

          Then don't call it a militia, call it a Sheriff's Auxiliary or some such, put it under state/county/local law enforcement, and have all of its written materials keyed to that theme.  And then back it up with volunteer Neighborhood Watch groups on every street.  

          And if it so happens that the guys & gals like to get together to play Paintball and practice at every MOS, er, uh, hobby from historic war reenactment to first aid to ham radio, well hey that's just spare-time fun and games!  

          As for "serving these functions," again, what's to stop civilian citizens from volunteering to help their local law enforcement during a crisis?  

          Where there's a will, there's a way.  

          •  Thank goodness for regular citizens (1+ / 0-)
            Recommended by:
            goodasgold

            During Katrina, while the feds were arguing with Louisiana's Governor Blanco over assuming control of the Louisiana National Guard, many of our citizens of all political stripes hooked up their boat trailers to their pickups, grabbed some neighbors, and headed down to the flooded areas. They didn't need to be called for duty or sworn in. When the proverbial s**t hit the fan, they responded and saved many lives.

            If the executive branch insists on encroaching on the turf of state governors, I wonder if it might be practical to minimize the size of the various state National Guard units and augment them with volunteers during times of need.

          •  Could be (0+ / 0-)

            As I said, I haven't researched that law, but it may be harder to circumvent a hostile judiciary than one would think.  At any rate, that's not a pre-election problem!

            My apologies to students who took my U.S. Government class in the 90s: evidently the Constitution doesn't limit Presidential power after all. Who knew?

            by Major Danby on Sun Oct 29, 2006 at 07:49:49 PM PST

            [ Parent ]

  •  Veterans of the campaign (16+ / 0-)

    to alert the media re the Downing Street Memo can surely help.  I'd start with smintheus: http://smintheusblog.blogspot.com/
    Email: smintheus at entermail dot net

  •  Important words (13+ / 0-)

    ...from the past that are warning, TODAY, every single person living in the neocon controlled USA.

    "In Germany they first came for the Communists and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist.  Then they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.  Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Trade Unionist.  Then they came for the Catholics, and I didn't speak up because I was Protestant.  Then they came for me--and by that time no one was left to speak up."

    Pastor Martin Niemoller (Who died in a Nazi concentration camp.)

    "Evil is a lack of empathy, a total incapacity to feel with their fellow man."- Capt. Gilbert, US Army Psychiatrist, at the conclusion of the Nuremberg trials.

    by 417els on Sun Oct 29, 2006 at 01:56:21 PM PST

    •  Niemöller died in 1984. (7+ / 0-)

      They apparently kept him in that concentration camp for nearly 40 years after the war ended.


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      /* You are not expected to understand this. */

      by ct on Sun Oct 29, 2006 at 01:58:55 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  I think the quote is so good (2+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        elveta, greenearth

        people think Bonhoffer must have said it.

        "I belong to no organized party. I am a Democrat." -- Will Rogers

        by Allogenes on Sun Oct 29, 2006 at 02:10:00 PM PST

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      •  ct - you're correct - thanks (2+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        Eternal Hope, greenearth

        Niemoller died in 1984 at the age of 92 (spent 8 1/2 years in a Nazi concentration camp).

        In rechecking the quote which I'd saved several years ago, turns out there are several versions that are supposedly THE original.  Here's Niemoller's address to Congress on 10/14/1968 (text is in the Congressional Record on page 31636).

        "When Hitler attacked the Jews
        I was not a Jew, therefore I was not concerned.
        And when Hitler attacked the Catholics,
        I was not a Catholic, and therefore, I was not concerned.
        And when Hitler attacked the unions and the industrialists,
        I was not a member of the unions and I was not concerned.
        Then Hitler attacked me and the Protestant church -
        and there was nobody left to be concerned."

        "Evil is a lack of empathy, a total incapacity to feel with their fellow man."- Capt. Gilbert, US Army Psychiatrist, at the conclusion of the Nuremberg trials.

        by 417els on Sun Oct 29, 2006 at 05:57:25 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

  •  I'm on it, Greg. (5+ / 0-)

    I'm using your first diary, and this one, as the basis for an entry on my site.  How about making a graphic for us Webbers to use as a graphical link?  I'll also be e-mailing my DINO representative, Mike McIntyre, to start working him for his support.  (Useless to ask my two senators, Richard Burr and Elizabeth Dole, for anything.  In a different life they'd be Nazi prison guards.)

    And don't worry about that sockpuppet shit.  You've explained that more than adequately.

    This Far and No Further -- documenting 109 years of conservative thuggery

    by Black Max on Sun Oct 29, 2006 at 02:00:47 PM PST

  •  Contact (4+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    coral, 3goldens, sheddhead, Eyes Wide Open

    Senators:
    http://www.senate.gov/

    Representatives:
    http://www.house.gov/

    Those sites will have phone numbers, fax numbers, email addy's for all their offices.

  •  I will be tracking as you progress (1+ / 0-)

    on your site and with your suggested letter.

    Please consider me a resource to do work for this cause.  I don't want to duplicate efforts, so tell me what tasks (getting names, fax numbers, addresses of some group(s)...) or just tell me how I can help and how to get the results to you.

    Stan Bozarth

    Wilmington NC

    "Suppose you were an idiot,and suppose you were a member of Congress, but I repeat myself." -- Mark Twain

    by Persiflage on Sun Oct 29, 2006 at 02:12:46 PM PST

  •  bluerevolt posted the websites of all Democratic (10+ / 0-)

    candidates (House, Senate, and Governor) here.  The names of the Republican opponents are listed, but not linked.  It's a great reference, though not complete for this particular purpose.  Perhaps it will help.  (And thank you for compiling that, bluerevolt.)

    jotter's Lists of High Impact Diaries: daily and weekly archives (bring your own bendy straws)

    by sele on Sun Oct 29, 2006 at 02:14:53 PM PST

  •  I'm concerned people won't take you seriously (4+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    elveta, sockpuppet, sheddhead, DblTrbl4Me

    "The symbol for FINGER is one raised finger.  No, not that one - the index finger."  and "FINGER stands for - sorry about this..."

    I have to admit the first thing I thought of was that middle finger.  It also sounds like you don't have a lot of confidence in the acronym if you feel that you have to defend using it or apologize for what it stands for?

    otherwise, thank you for keeping us informed about this situation, I will definitely fwd the info and make as much noise about it as possible.

  •  This is, indeed, an issue (7+ / 0-)

    on which many conservatives will side with us, once they understand the horrific potential for abuse that this change represents and get that "states rights", which are a big deal in the South, just went out the window. I hope your efforts will be as broad-based as possible.

  •  I'm almost afraid that the horses are out (6+ / 0-)

    of the barn and its too late close the doors.

    For starters, if its the intent of this administration to use this for anything but a homeland security issue, they already have plans in place to be sure that nothing can stand in their way.

    It goes without saying too, that even if they don't intend to use this for devious purposes, they're not about to let a Democratic president have any of the powers they've given to themselves.  


    The religious fanatics didn't buy the republican party because it was virtuous, they bought it because it was for sale

    by nupstateny on Sun Oct 29, 2006 at 02:24:50 PM PST

    •  That's right! (6+ / 0-)

      Lie down and play dead, it's the easiest tactic.

      That way, people who have never heard of this won't hear of this, and we'll never know if now was too late, or not.

      No biggie if people can't or won't help out...  no biggie if people want to make fun of those who can and will help out...  but please don't get in our way.

    •  what happens if the Governors simply REFUSE? (2+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      docangel, Esjaydee

      Seriously.  What if Bush attempts to declare martial law and mobilize the Guard domestically to suppress dissent, and the state governors simply refuse to turn over control?  

      Obviously it would be a shitstorm, but what are the details?  

      •  If the National Guard is federalized (0+ / 0-)

        then I assume that the Governor could be arrested for blocking such an order and people who attempted to prevent that arrest could be violently opposed.

        My apologies to students who took my U.S. Government class in the 90s: evidently the Constitution doesn't limit Presidential power after all. Who knew?

        by Major Danby on Sun Oct 29, 2006 at 06:05:28 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  ahh but this is where it gets interesting... (2+ / 0-)

          Who attempts to execute the arrest warrant?  And what happens when they encounter properly armed state police who or even NG who are trying to block it?  

          This is almost the stuff of science fiction.  But so is a lot of what's happened in the past six years.  

          One thing you can be sure of, if that kind of shit starts to hit the fan, there will be capital flight out of the country like we've never seen before.  The economy will go down the toilet in a matter of days.  Perhaps that's a viable threat to use against the Regime:  that respectable Republicans, who want a stable business climate, would not stand for this because it would trash the economy.  

          •  What if the National Guard REFUSES? (1+ / 0-)
            Recommended by:
            G2geek

            Seriously.  I think so many have seen the abuse of the Guard, they may just plant their feet and tell the Gov't to "get stuffed".

            Do you think the National Guard will fire on American citizens?

            We are at the moment when our lives must be placed on the line if our nation is to survive its own folly. -Martin Luther King.

            by Eyes Wide Open on Sun Oct 29, 2006 at 06:53:06 PM PST

            [ Parent ]

          •  I believe your point about corporate interests (1+ / 0-)
            Recommended by:
            goodasgold

            is an important one. I too would imagine that such a Constitutional crisis would put the economy in a tailspin. It's unlikely that the power behind the throne would be happy with that.

            The idea that corporate interests are the firewall between civil liberties and tyrany is shame. But I'll take any ally I can get in this battle.

            •  It is more than that... (0+ / 0-)

              You have the military industrial complex, the corporations, and whether or not you want to believe it, the Bilderberg Group.

              In fact, within the last few months, Tony Blair was questioned on his meeting with the Bilderberg Group in the House of Commons and he refused to answer any questions.

              You might have a peek into the goings on with the Bilderbergs, and you might draw some conclusions about where are policies are actually being made and who is vetting our Presidential candidates.

              We are at the moment when our lives must be placed on the line if our nation is to survive its own folly. -Martin Luther King.

              by Eyes Wide Open on Sun Oct 29, 2006 at 10:37:31 PM PST

              [ Parent ]

  •  Gimme Orange Links and Endorsements by (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    elveta

    people and/or organizations I'm already familiar with.

    Please also start with a quick summary of the diary since we're all busy.

    You got my attention yesterday already.
    Electronic Technology has awesome powers, so please use it to make it faster and easier to make things happen and to donate money. Whatever, however.......

    •  No donating money (4+ / 0-)

      I don't want to get into FEC/IRS stuff if I can avoid it.

      "I'm paying for this microphone," someone once said.

      Where would you put the quick summary?  Figuring out how to boil this down is one thing I'm trying to work out in all my spare time.

      My apologies to students who took my U.S. Government class in the 90s: evidently the Constitution doesn't limit Presidential power after all. Who knew?

      by Major Danby on Sun Oct 29, 2006 at 02:36:48 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  When the next Katrina hits your region... (3+ / 0-)

        Do you want an out of touch President up there in  Washington sending your state's National Guard troops to another state because he likes that governor better? Or do you want your governor deciding where in your state the National Guard can help the most?

        Help Expand Dem House Control! Elect Mike Callaghan (WV-02)

        by SLJ on Sun Oct 29, 2006 at 04:54:54 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

      •  find a good bookkeeper anyway (2+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        AllisonInSeattle, marina

        ...and get them keeping track of all moneys going in or out.  Have them set up your "chart of accounts" in the same manner as would be used for a political action committee or similar organization.  Have a tax advisor in on the action as well, preferably one who is also an attorney so your conversations with him/her are protected by attorney/client privilege.

        You may not have enough volunteers at present to set up the structure to handle donations, but if this issue picks up steam as you intend, it's going to spawn a fairly large organization with staff and expenses that need to be reimbursed.  Unless you're independently wealthy you're going to need financial support. Now is the time to plan ahead.

        •  If this thing grows (0+ / 0-)

          it will be after the election and I'll think about it then.  For now, too busy.  I took one CLE class on incorporation, but can't remember it now.

          My apologies to students who took my U.S. Government class in the 90s: evidently the Constitution doesn't limit Presidential power after all. Who knew?

          by Major Danby on Sun Oct 29, 2006 at 06:06:51 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

          •  Quickbooks Pro is your friend... and re computers (3+ / 0-)
            Recommended by:
            marina, Major Danby, goodasgold

            Don't use plain Quickbooks, use Quickbooks Pro since it has various features you'll need for this.  It's available for MacOSX and Windows, and the files are compatible across platforms.   Almost every bookkeeper under the sun knows QBP well.  

            Your best bet for computers for this org is to use the new Apple Intel machines.  Use their dual-boot capability to run Windows XP for office applications that normally require Windows, but keep that side of the machine isolated from the internet to minimize virus/spyware risks.  Use MacOSX for all of your internet-connected applications, since  it's immune to Windows viruses and vulnerabilities.  Best of both worlds.

            For text documents, use WordPad in Windows and TextEdit in MacOS; set these to produce ".rtf" documents, and now you have cross-platform word processing without a bunch of overhead and bloat.  And those apps are very very fast.  Then for publication, convert the RTFs to PDFs.  We do it this way where I work, and it works well.  

      •  Did you get that summary, Major Danby? (0+ / 0-)

        http://www.dailykos.com/...

        SLJ's response to you -- it's brilliant.

        Be good to each other. It matters. Bill Sali

        by AllisonInSeattle on Sun Oct 29, 2006 at 10:05:41 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  Actually, you can help me here (0+ / 0-)

          Yes, I did get that summary.  But beyond that: I can really use people to comb through what's been written in this and the other diaries on the topic.  I am hoping that others will be able to spread the word on radio as well, as we'll need talking points -- an outline with a few words or phrases -- for them.  You'd have a good eye for that.

          My apologies to students who took my U.S. Government class in the 90s: evidently the Constitution doesn't limit Presidential power after all. Who knew?

          by Major Danby on Sun Oct 29, 2006 at 11:03:57 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

          •  Help (1+ / 0-)
            Recommended by:
            AllisonInSeattle
            Major Danby,

            First, I am having trouble accessing the letter from the website.  Is there another link to it besides the PDF?  Could the text be posted here?  I did not see it in the comments as I scanned through, apologies if I missed it.

            Second, I am willing to help you with the talking points or a similar assignment if AllisonInSeattle is unable. Let me know.  I am a lawyer although my expertise runs more to contracts than constitutional law.  Keep up the good work.

            •  Link to PDF (1+ / 0-)
              Recommended by:
              AllisonInSeattle

              No, there's no other link to it.  You are right-clicking, etc.?  What browser are you using -- it worked for me using both Firefox and Explorer, unless I was hallucinating last night (a distinct possibility.)  If you can't get it otherwise, e-mail me and I'll send you the PDF.  Same deal for anyone else here.  If you or anyone else want to host it elsewhere as an alternative, that's fine.

              Is anyone else having problems downloading it?

              My apologies to students who took my U.S. Government class in the 90s: evidently the Constitution doesn't limit Presidential power after all. Who knew?

              by Major Danby on Mon Oct 30, 2006 at 09:38:01 AM PST

              [ Parent ]

          •  Understood (0+ / 0-)

            Up to my eyeballs and On Fire about two other projects. Have basically been on fire about the environment since censored when I was at university, An Inconvenient Truth has lit me up again, and

            That and I'm working on a Tipping Point to stop the USA's planned air attack on Iran (using nucs, to boot). I do have a slight tendency to think big... or, maybe just that's the talent set I was given, trying to make some use of it.

            Hollywood Oz might be able to help with talking points? He's danged good -- had rec'd diary Monday or Sunday.

            Heck, just call for it in the body of a diary. People will step up. And ask that person, the one who wrote that summary, they have talent. OK, I'll ask them for you.

            You talking in or with Tacoma radio soon? A friend thought it might be you.

            Be good to each other. It matters. Bill Sali

            by AllisonInSeattle on Tue Oct 31, 2006 at 03:54:03 AM PST

            [ Parent ]

            •  Haven't heard from Tacoma (1+ / 0-)
              Recommended by:
              AllisonInSeattle

              Godspeed to whoever is talking about it.  Thanks for the rest and good luck with your project.

              My apologies to students who took my U.S. Government class in the 90s: evidently the Constitution doesn't limit Presidential power after all. Who knew?

              by Major Danby on Tue Oct 31, 2006 at 10:50:40 AM PST

              [ Parent ]

  •  Pun Alert: Alright Alright I'll say it- (5+ / 0-)

    You want us to give the President the Finger.

    Or are we going to

    Pull the president's Finger(We might get in trouble with the secret service for that one)

    Be carefull what you shoot at, most things in here don't react well to bullets-Sean Connery .... Captain Marko Ramius -Hunt For Red October

    by JML9999 on Sun Oct 29, 2006 at 02:26:57 PM PST

  •  I'll be tracking your progress too (0+ / 0-)

    Not sure if this is important or not and at first it sounded alarmist but maybe it's worth looking at.

  •  I'm in. (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    sockpuppet, sheddhead, TheGardener
    Deal the cards. We got a lot to do.

    -6.88/-5.64 * You know what's happening. Fight it.

    by John West on Sun Oct 29, 2006 at 02:40:04 PM PST

  •  State Attorneys General (12+ / 0-)

    would have standing to seek injunctive relief.

    Our Dem AG here in WI is not tied up in a re-election, having lost the Primary. I'll try and catch her at her lunch spot tommorow

    $662.66
    51,245 votes for US Senator.

    by ben masel on Sun Oct 29, 2006 at 02:43:13 PM PST

    •  OK, that's important (2+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      sockpuppet, TheGardener

      If you and others are able to contact state AGs about this, that would be great, because I'm sure I won't have enough time.  That may be mostly a post-election thing, but it couldn't hurt to ask people campaigning for AG as well.

      My apologies to students who took my U.S. Government class in the 90s: evidently the Constitution doesn't limit Presidential power after all. Who knew?

      by Major Danby on Sun Oct 29, 2006 at 02:57:20 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  Repeal how? (7+ / 0-)

    With what 67 sane Senators?

  •  Too Complex and Too Partisan (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    sbwoodside, SLJ, TheGardener

    This message needs to be radically simplified if you want to generate a groundswell of support that will be necessary to accomplish your goals. Before you try to sample the politicians, we already know the Republicans will mostly support Bush and the Democrats mostly won't. You need to try to create more support among Republicans and maybe even consider letting them take the lead on this if you can convince their constituents to pressure them. Have you shopped this idea on conservative and NeoCon web sites? What's been the response?

    •  I have SOLICITED that being done (0+ / 0-)

      but I have not done it myself, because I have no ties to the consrvative sites.  Anyone who does have ties should go ahead.  This is a participatory effort.

      Yes, I agree that it should be simplified, though I don't think it's partisan as it stands.  So, if you've done any editing -- anyone reading this -- please submit your simplified versions.  I have no pride of authoriship; I'll use whatever is most effective.

      My apologies to students who took my U.S. Government class in the 90s: evidently the Constitution doesn't limit Presidential power after all. Who knew?

      by Major Danby on Sun Oct 29, 2006 at 03:00:15 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  Libertarians already on the job (11+ / 0-)

      The version below hit my inbox from 5 Libertarian email lists yesterday. Reprint by implied permission.

      Bush Moves Toward Martial Law
      Written by Frank Morales
      Thursday, 26 October 2006

      In a stealth maneuver, President Bush has signed into law a provision which, according to Senator Patrick Leahy (D-Vermont), will actually encourage the President to declare federal martial law (1). It does so by revising the Insurrection Act, a set of laws that limits the President's ability to deploy troops within the United States. The Insurrection Act (10 U.S.C.331-335) has historically, along with the Posse Comitatus Act (18 U.S.C.1385), helped to enforce strict prohibitions on military involvement in domestic law enforcement. With one cloaked swipe of his pen, Bush is seeking to undo those prohibitions.

      Public Law 109-364, or the "John Warner Defense Authorization Act of 2007" (H.R.5122) (2), which was signed by the commander in chief on October 17th, 2006, in a private Oval Office ceremony, allows the President to declare a "public emergency" and station troops anywhere in America and take control of state-based National Guard units without the consent of the governor or local authorities, in order to "suppress public disorder."

      President Bush seized this unprecedented power on the very same day that he signed the equally odious Military Commissions Act of 2006. In a sense, the two laws complement one another. One allows for torture and detention abroad, while the other seeks to enforce acquiescence at home, preparing to order the military onto the streets of America. Remember, the term for putting an area under military law enforcement control is precise; the term is "martial law."

      Section 1076 of the massive Authorization Act, which grants the Pentagon another $500-plus-billion for its ill-advised adventures, is entitled, "Use of the Armed Forces in Major Public Emergencies." Section 333, "Major public emergencies; interference with State and Federal law" states that "the President may employ the armed forces, including the National Guard in Federal service, to restore public order and enforce the laws of the United States when, as a result of a natural disaster, epidemic, or other serious public health emergency, terrorist attack or incident, or other condition in any State or possession of the United States, the President determines that domestic violence has occurred to such an extent that the constituted authorities of the State or possession are incapable of ("refuse" or "fail" in) maintaining public order, "in order to suppress, in any State, any insurrection, domestic violence, unlawful combination, or conspiracy."

      For the current President, "enforcement of the laws to restore public order" means to commandeer guardsmen from any state, over the objections of local governmental, military and local police entities; ship them off to another state; conscript them in a law enforcement mode; and set them loose against "disorderly" citizenry - protesters, possibly, or those who object to forced vaccinations and quarantines in the event of a bio-terror event.

      The law also facilitates militarized police round-ups and detention of protesters, so called "illegal aliens," "potential terrorists" and other "undesirables" for detention in facilities already contracted for and under construction by Halliburton. That's right. Under the cover of a trumped-up "immigration emergency" and the frenzied militarization of the southern border, detention camps are being constructed right under our noses, camps designed for anyone who resists the foreign and domestic agenda of the Bush administration.

      An article on "recent contract awards" in a recent issue of the slick, insider "Journal of Counterterrorism & Homeland Security International" reported that "global engineering and technical services powerhouse KBR [Kellog, Brown & Root] announced in January 2006 that its Government and Infrastructure division was awarded an Indefinite Delivery/Indefinite Quantity (IDIQ) contract to support U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) facilities in the event of an emergency." "With a maximum total value of $385 million over a five year term," the report notes, "the contract is to be executed by the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers," "for establishing temporary detention and processing capabilities to augment existing ICE Detention and Removal Operations (DRO) - in the event of an emergency influx of immigrants into the U.S., or to support the rapid development of new programs." The report points out that "KBR is the engineering and construction subsidiary of Halliburton." (3) So, in addition to authorizing another $532.8 billion for the Pentagon, including a $70-billion "supplemental provision" which covers the cost of the ongoing, mad military maneuvers in Iraq, Afghanistan, and other places, the new law, signed by the president in a private White House ceremony, further collapses the historic divide between the police and the military: a tell-tale sign of a rapidly consolidating police state in America, all accomplished amidst ongoing U.S. imperial pretensions of global domination, sold to an "emergency managed" and seemingly willfully gullible public as a "global war on terrorism."

      Make no mistake about it: the de-facto repeal of the Posse Comitatus Act (PCA) is an ominous assault on American democratic tradition and jurisprudence. The 1878 Act, which reads, "Whoever, except in cases and under circumstances expressly authorized by the Constitution or Act of Congress, willfully uses any part of the Army or Air Force as a posse comitatus or otherwise to execute the laws shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both," is the only U.S. criminal statute that outlaws military operations directed against the American people under the cover of 'law enforcement.' As such, it has been the best protection we've had against the power-hungry intentions of an unscrupulous and reckless executive, an executive intent on using force to enforce its will.

      Unfortunately, this past week, the president dealt posse comitatus, along with American democracy, a near fatal blow. Consequently, it will take an aroused citizenry to undo the damage wrought by this horrendous act, part and parcel, as we have seen, of a long train of abuses and outrages perpetrated by this authoritarian administration.

      Despite the unprecedented and shocking nature of this act, there has been no outcry in the American media, and little reaction from our elected officials in Congress. On September 19th, a lone Senator Patrick Leahy (D-Vermont) noted that 2007's Defense Authorization Act contained a "widely opposed provision to allow the President more control over the National Guard [adopting] changes to the Insurrection Act, which will make it easier for this or any future President to use the military to restore domestic order WITHOUT the consent of the nation's governors."

      Senator Leahy went on to stress that, "we certainly do not need to make it easier for Presidents to declare martial law. Invoking the Insurrection Act and using the military for law enforcement activities goes against some of the central tenets of our democracy. One can easily envision governors and mayors in charge of an emergency having to constantly look over their shoulders while someone who has never visited their communities gives the orders."

      A few weeks later, on the 29th of September, Leahy entered into the Congressional Record that he had "grave reservations about certain provisions of the fiscal Year 2007 Defense Authorization Bill Conference Report," the language of which, he said, "subverts solid, longstanding posse comitatus statutes that limit the military's involvement in law enforcement, thereby making it easier for the President to declare martial law." This had been "slipped in," Leahy said, "as a rider with little study," while "other congressional committees with jurisdiction over these matters had no chance to comment, let alone hold hearings on, these proposals."

      In a telling bit of understatement, the Senator from Vermont noted that "the implications of changing the (Posse Comitatus) Act are enormous". "There is good reason," he said, "for the constructive friction in existing law when it comes to martial law declarations. Using the military for law enforcement goes against one of the founding tenets of our democracy. We fail our Constitution, neglecting the rights of the States, when we make it easier for the President to declare martial law and trample on local and state sovereignty."

      Senator Leahy's final ruminations: "Since hearing word a couple of weeks ago that this outcome was likely, I have wondered how Congress could have gotten to this point. It seems the changes to the Insurrection Act have survived the Conference because the Pentagon and the White House want it."

      The historic and ominous re-writing of the Insurrection Act, accomplished in the dead of night, which gives Bush the legal authority to declare martial law, is now an accomplished fact.

      The Pentagon, as one might expect, plays an even more direct role in martial law operations. Title XIV of the new law, entitled, "Homeland Defense Technology Transfer Legislative Provisions," authorizes "the Secretary of Defense to create a Homeland Defense Technology Transfer Consortium to improve the effectiveness of the Department of Defense (DOD) processes for identifying and deploying relevant DOD technology to federal, State, and local first responders."

      In other words, the law facilitates the "transfer" of the newest in so-called "crowd control" technology and other weaponry designed to suppress dissent from the Pentagon to local militarized police units. The new law builds on and further codifies earlier "technology transfer" agreements, specifically the 1995 DOD-Justice Department memorandum of agreement achieved back during the Clinton-Reno regime.(4)

      It has become clear in recent months that a critical mass of the American people have seen through the lies of the Bush administration; with the president's polls at an historic low, growing resistance to the war Iraq, and the Democrats likely to take back the Congress in mid-term elections, the Bush administration is on the ropes. And so it is particularly worrying that President Bush has seen fit, at this juncture to, in effect, declare himself dictator.

      Source:
      (1) http://leahy.senate.gov/... and
      http://leahy.senate.gov/... See also, Congressional Research Service Report for Congress, "The Use of Federal Troops for Disaster Assistance:  Legal Issues," by Jennifer K. Elsea, Legislative Attorney, August 14, 2006

      (2) http://www.govtrack.us/...

      (3) Journal of Counterterrorism & Homeland Security International, "Recent Contract Awards", Summer 2006, Vol.12, No.2, pg.8; See also, Peter Dale Scott, "Homeland Security Contracts for Vast New Detention Camps," New American Media, January 31, 2006.

      (4) "Technology Transfer from defense: Concealed Weapons Detection", National Institute of Justice Journal, No 229, August, 1995, pp.42-43.

      $662.66
      51,245 votes for US Senator.

      by ben masel on Sun Oct 29, 2006 at 03:29:15 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  Slashdot thread (5+ / 0-)

    $662.66
    51,245 votes for US Senator.

    by ben masel on Sun Oct 29, 2006 at 02:51:51 PM PST

    •  Those guys sure can write a lot (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      sockpuppet

      If you see anything stunning there, please let us all know!

      My apologies to students who took my U.S. Government class in the 90s: evidently the Constitution doesn't limit Presidential power after all. Who knew?

      by Major Danby on Sun Oct 29, 2006 at 03:05:06 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  the key to reading slashdot... (3+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        AlphaGeek, sockpuppet, motherlowman

        Just set the threshhold for comments to 4, and you can weed out the 1000 lame comments for the 80 good ones.

        I read all the high-rated comments, and there were some gems - no way I coudl pick just one or two to highlight!

      •  Here's some good ones (10+ / 0-)

        Suddenly the one reason for the 2nd amendment becomes crystal clear.

        There are four boxes available to citizens to protect their liberty -- the soap box, the ballot box, the jury box, and the cartridge box, which should be employed in that order.

        I don't know why parent was modded funny. As a right winger I'm so mad at the big spending, big government Republicans that I've almost talked myself into staying home in November. I don't know which is worse: how much I absolutely despise the Democrats or my anger at the Republicans. I wish ballots had "none of the above" which, if it "won", would force new elections with new candidates.

        As a 'leftist gun grabber' (at least, what I think you mean, is someone who wants to take your guns away) I did have this epiphany not too long ago. Maybe a year or so ago, if not less.

        I used to think that citizen militias were all a bunch of kooks (and let's face it, a lot of them are), but they seem to have the right idea as far as defending themselves from their government. I still think that gun laws should be strictly enforced and that gun ownership should be limited. I think that it's silly to own a gun for "protection", unless, as I've realized, it's to protect yourself from the government. I do fear there may come a day when Americans are forced to rise against the federal government. I wouldn't like that, but when I see news stories like this, my paranoid side really kicks in and tells me to go out and buy a gun (and learn how to use it).

        You actually think a bunch of untrained civilians with guns would stand an ounce of a chance against the most powerful military in the world?
        They see to be holding their own in Iraq.

        Slashdot's traffic makes DKos's look small. I've been part of that community for probably twice as long as here at DKos, yet my UID there is 197853 compared to 27508 here. And you get both sides there, from purebred Bushies to far left anarchists. And they tend to be geeky and pretty smart. Although smart is relative, as in smart in their area of expertise, i.e. the Bushies.

        One thing to really note on that thread is that the number of comments, almost 1400, is incredibly huge. This is an issue with a lot of reach.

        A whole lot of reach.

        "Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about the things that matter." Dr. ML King, from a jail cell in Birmingham, Alabama in 1963.

        by bewert on Sun Oct 29, 2006 at 03:58:54 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

      •  They've got us outnumbered almost 10:1 (0+ / 0-)

        And filtering at +3 or +4 before you read helps a lot.

        -6.00, -7.03
        "I want my people to be the most intolerant people in the world." - Jerry Falwell

        by johnsonwax on Sun Oct 29, 2006 at 04:47:40 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

  •  A great idea.... (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    sheddhead, TheGardener

    And I started a couple of weeks ago, alerting my family and my inlaws to our loss of democracy, but so far all I've accomplished is to start a major family feud and was soundly ridiculed by one wing-nut nephew-in-law.  Apparently I need another approach since I not only didn't get them to even listen, the said nephew-in-law responded thus:

    ". ..this issue requires more of
    you than to listen to some hack who takes the time to write something down
    for you to consume.  And like the ease of finding the author of that poem,
    this piece of legislation is just as accessible.  While I am quite sure that
    you have not bothered to read the Military Commissions Act, I think it is
    rather silly to comment on it without doing so.  So before you continue
    reading this letter perhaps you could go to
    http://www.law.georgetown.edu/...
    and see the actual bill without all the colorful commentary by Mr. Parry.  
    You also might want to look more closely at some of Mr. Parry's past writing
    to understand his overtly obvious hatred and contempt of anything American.

    But I digress.  Back to the bill; Ch 47A Sub. ch. I sec 948c referring back
    to sec. 948a Sub. sec. 1 and 7 should ease your mind about citizens being in
    jeopardy with this bill.  Also  Sub ch. VI Post Trial Procedure will
    enlighten you about the appeal process.  In short, Mr Parry is obviously
    lying or worse is ill-informed himself.

    In closing, I can't for the life of me understand how the hatred of one man
    can be so blinding to the truth.  Find a position and stick to it instead of
    going back and forth so much.  You sign your e-mail to Peri with "PEACE
    OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" not realizing the contradicting ideas you just typed.  
    And like the way you typed that honorable phrase, you will at one moment
    tell us that President Bush is some dim witted dolt who stumbled into office
    twice and then the next moment tell us that he is some master planner
    capable of taking our country without us knowing.  Well which is it?

    If you need more analysis of your future political views, please don't
    hesitate to respond.  I love politics and will discuss my well reasoned
    views with anyone.

    Peace Out.

    Mont"

    This is how far I've gotten so far!!  :(

    Any suggestions on HOW to approach wing-nuts like this would be appreciated.

    -5.59-6.25 MISSION ACCOMPLISHED: IRAQ IS BROKEN

    by martik on Sun Oct 29, 2006 at 03:18:42 PM PST

  •  I'd be more than happy to post this (5+ / 0-)

    on Free Republic, but I need a right-wing or at least a neutral source to link to. A post linking to a Daily Kos diary will go away in minutes; they are closely moderated.

    We are men of action, lies do not become us.

    by ER Doc on Sun Oct 29, 2006 at 03:23:53 PM PST

  •  The gun crowd should be very (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    sheddhead, CenterLeft

    interested in FINGER and the message that you have. Here are a few email addresses and fax numbers.
    Florida Sportsman
    Fax: 772-219-6900

    Fly Fisherman Magazine
    Jay Nichols Managing Editor
    jay@flyfisherman.com

    Game & Fish
    Ken Dunwoody, Editorial Director - Game & Fish
    Ken.Dunwoody@primedia.com

    Gun Dog
    Rick Van Etten, Editor --
    gdeditor1@aol.com

    Handguns Magazine
    Jerry Lee, Editor
    handguns@primedia.com

    In-Fisherman Magazine
    7819 Highland Scenic Rd.
    Baxter, MN 56425-8011

    Petersen's Bowhunting
    Jay Strangis,Editor
    bowhunting@primedia.com

    RifleShooter
    Jerry Lee, Editor--RifleShooter
    rifles@primedia.com

    SHOOTING TIMES
    Joel Hutchcroft, Editor-- Shooting Times
    shootingtimes@primedia.com

    Shotgun News

    Fax: (309) 679-5476

    When all else fails, go medieval-proudprogressiveCA

    by keefer55 on Sun Oct 29, 2006 at 03:45:27 PM PST

  •  AUGH (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Major Danby

    I can't follow the posts and work on the site.

    I used to be able to multi task...  apparently, before I met Major Danby.

    BEN!!! Ben, please, could you provide any AG information that should be included on the Governors - Senators - Representatives Contact page?

    Thank you.

  •  LEGAL ANALYSIS NEEDED (0+ / 0-)

    Can anyone give me a short piece on what rights one actually loses under martial law?  I think of it as tantamount to your having to do whatever a police officer tells you to do (within limits of risking harm to person) when the police are in control of a given situation, but writ very very large.  Can anyone clarify and compose?

    My apologies to students who took my U.S. Government class in the 90s: evidently the Constitution doesn't limit Presidential power after all. Who knew?

    by Major Danby on Sun Oct 29, 2006 at 03:50:11 PM PST

    •  That's a very good question (0+ / 0-)

      I think that martial law also means that soldiers can order you around as well. Can anybody confirm that? Which specific rights will be lost under martial law?

      •  Not clear (0+ / 0-)

        I think that it is not clear, since it has happened only a few times, exactly what rights we would lose.  Basically I think you are right, we'd have to obey military authorities.

        Here is an article that provides an overview of martial law in the US.

        Here is the wikipedia entry.

        I will see if I can find any more scholarly works on this, in law review articles.

        •  Thanks, Seymour (0+ / 0-)

          The law on this seems murky (partly because it goes beyond the law as it's usually applied), but this research is really needed to make this prospect real for people.

          My apologies to students who took my U.S. Government class in the 90s: evidently the Constitution doesn't limit Presidential power after all. Who knew?

          by Major Danby on Mon Oct 30, 2006 at 09:42:19 AM PST

          [ Parent ]

    •  what I have not wanted to write until now (4+ / 0-)

      is the opinions I keep reading about how, with the confluence of 1) the president declaring a national emergency on 9/11 (not yet rescinded) and 2) passage of the Patriot Act, we are in a perpetual national emergency which thereby nullifies our Constitutional guarantees.

      Here is an article by Robert Higgs on the nature of what is called "Crisis Constitution," which kicks in under emergency circumstance.  Higgs describes our recent historical development of "Crisis" mode, Supreme Court rulings, and the danger of making national emergency permanent.

      What I fear is that 1076 may be a touch redundant because with the circumstance noted above, those abusive powers are already defensible.  The regime is covering all its bases from a variety of angles just in case there is formidable argument about the validity of the Patriot Act.

      Nevertheless I am all hurrahs for you.  One great ally might be Jon Testor, who said:

      "I don't want to weaken the Patriot Act, I want to repeal it. What it does, it takes away your freedom ... and when you take away our freedoms, the terrorists have won"

      Testor understands full well what the Patriot Act has done (in concert with declaration of National Emergency) to disfigure the Constitution.  Please consider contacting his office for a good brainstorm.

      Godspeed to you.

      Those who corrupt the public mind are just as evil as those who steal from the public purse. - Adlai E. Stevenson

      by stonemason on Sun Oct 29, 2006 at 04:39:38 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  Interesting article (1+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        stonemason

        from a rather conservative perspective.  It doesn't say that much about civil liberties, though.  Any chance of your being willing to create a brief summary?  Then we could post that with a link to the article on our page.

        My apologies to students who took my U.S. Government class in the 90s: evidently the Constitution doesn't limit Presidential power after all. Who knew?

        by Major Danby on Sun Oct 29, 2006 at 05:00:05 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

    •  Think red alert... (0+ / 0-)

      they tell you to stay in your house, you walk out.. they shoot you, no questions asked. Pretty much in a nutshell.

      Googlebomb WA-08 - Dave Reichert http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/287797_reichertsideweb06.html

      by letsfight on Sun Oct 29, 2006 at 07:35:47 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  I don't know if this is helpful (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    DSPS owl, Aaa T Tudeattack

    The National Conference of State Legislatures (www.ncsl.org),a bipartisan group, puts out a newsletter called the Pre emption Monitor. It has been utilized to track the federal government pre empting state authority. The person who puts this out is named Susan Parnas Frederick. The website I have listed has her phone as (202) 624-3556.
    I don't know much about the organization but it seems to have access to all the state legislatures.

  •  Local Party Officials (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Aaa T Tudeattack

    A good place to start might be party leaders in your local counties. They often have the ear of local media. Beyond that, these are the people that are indispensable during election season. If the local party officials stand together, our elected officials will take notice.

  •  I'm sure I speak for many when I say: (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Eternal Hope, DblTrbl4Me, greenearth

    I care passionately about this issue, but I have bigger fish to fry between now and November 7th.  Here in CA we have a Lt. Gov (Garamendi) and SecState (Bowen) we need to get elected in the next 12 days, not to mention all the down-ticket races.

    I'll be glad to read anything you post, and I'll get engaged after the elections -- but I have to make the time to meet my phonebank-from-home commitments this week before I can worry about any emerging issues.

    Besides, I think you'll get much more legislative traction with a Democratic House and a 50-50 (or 49-51) Senate.  :)

    -AG

    "Watching George Bush trying to govern is like
    watching a monkey trying to f**k a football."
    I'm a libertarian, pro-2A capitalist Democrat.

    by AlphaGeek on Sun Oct 29, 2006 at 04:11:12 PM PST

    •  Then you're excused -- seriously (2+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      AlphaGeek, greenearth

      Anyone who is doing political work that they believe in gets no gried from me for continuing to do it.  We can disagree about strategy and the importance of getting people on record before the election when we have the most leverage over them.  But you make a reasonable point and I won't try to impose my view on you anymore than I would my taste for Malagasay guitar music.  (Although it's really great!)

      My apologies to students who took my U.S. Government class in the 90s: evidently the Constitution doesn't limit Presidential power after all. Who knew?

      by Major Danby on Sun Oct 29, 2006 at 04:32:11 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  Suggest some Malagasy titles (0+ / 0-)

        for those of us who might be interested. There is an energetic piece entitled "Eh Zalahy" by Tarika Sammy on an old compilation CD called "Africa Never Stand Still" which I love. I'd like to hear more.

        I believe that there are certain personality types that advocate their own supremacy in the glaring light of truth to the contrary. -6.75/-7.54

        by crose on Sun Oct 29, 2006 at 06:48:23 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  D'Gary & Jihe -- "Horombe" (0+ / 0-)

          is one of the best albums I've ever heard.  He is an amazing guitarist.

          I haven't memorized the other titles.  ;7)

          My apologies to students who took my U.S. Government class in the 90s: evidently the Constitution doesn't limit Presidential power after all. Who knew?

          by Major Danby on Sun Oct 29, 2006 at 08:12:26 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

      •  If I were focused on Federal races... (0+ / 0-)

        ...or had a gubernatorial race that was actually competitive, then I'd feel like I had more leverage to get people on the record.

        As it stands, we have a non-competitive race for the governor's office here in CA, and my Rep (Pete Stark) isn't exactly in danger of a Republican surprise on Nov. 7th.

        I've hotlisted your Diaries and will be watching for further developments.

        -AG

        "Watching George Bush trying to govern is like
        watching a monkey trying to f**k a football."
        I'm a libertarian, pro-2A capitalist Democrat.

        by AlphaGeek on Sun Oct 29, 2006 at 08:25:35 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

    •  True, there are just nine more days (5+ / 0-)

      until the election.  I doubt martial law will be called in that time, and in any case, there would be no opportunity to change the law before then.

      So for the moment, the election is the priority (for me, during my non-work time).  Still, I agree that this is an extremely important issue (I even raised it in one of my earlier diaries). There is urgency to the issue, because things could change quickly in our nation if there were another terrorist attack on U.S. soil (with or without administration complicity), followed by a declaration of emergency martial law and the potential of other measures more extreme than anything we have seen so far (just what is that Halliburton subsidiary building detention centers for, anyway?).  

      Our democracy is too valuable to let it slip away under the auspices of "protecting us from terror."  In fact, if anything terrorizes me, it is the thought of something like this happening. I don't want to overreact, but history is full of abuses it is easy to think could not happen here, and I don't think the diarist is overreacting to make this a central and ongoing issue.

      •  As I've said -- to some eye-rolling -- (2+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        sheddhead, DSPS owl

        I am concerned about problems arising in the wake of obvious election fraud this year, and I do believe that "forewarned is forearmed."  But what you're doing is great too.

        My apologies to students who took my U.S. Government class in the 90s: evidently the Constitution doesn't limit Presidential power after all. Who knew?

        by Major Danby on Sun Oct 29, 2006 at 04:40:10 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

  •  My local talk radio links (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    rolet, sheddhead
    in Springfield IL:

    The station - WMAY:
    Mid-West Family Broadcasting
    P.O. Box 460
    Springfield, Illinois 62705
    (217)629-7077
    (217)629-7952 fax
    http://www.wmay.com/

    (I don't think they have a booker, per se).

    The liberal host (and news director), Jim Leach:
    jimleachshow@hotmail.com

    The (relatively open-minded) conservative host, Pamela Furr:
    talkbacknow@wmay.com

    The conservative and really annoying thinks-he-knows-it-all host in the afternoon, Jack Davis, does not have an e-mail address.  

    Throw LaHood out of Congress! Donate to Steve Waterworth - IL18 http://www.waterworthforcongress.com/

    by IL clb on Sun Oct 29, 2006 at 04:21:50 PM PST

  •  website (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    G2geek, CenterLeft, suicide blonde

    Best of luck with this important effort. I just checked out the website, it's a great start.

    One suggestion... as you refine the images on the site, how about adding some diversity? Right now it's way too heavy on the yuppies. Where are the families, people of color, working people, military folks... you know, the rest of us real people?

    Help Expand Dem House Control! Elect Mike Callaghan (WV-02)

    by SLJ on Sun Oct 29, 2006 at 04:46:03 PM PST

    •  Those photos are part of the standard template (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      SLJ

      that sheddhead purchased to start the site.

      But, I'll tell you what:

      If people would be willing to have digital pictures taken of themselves (500 x 333 max size) holding up a sign saying something like "Repeal Section 1076" or "Preserve Posse Comitatus" while sticking your index finger in the air, and send them to me at gregatcarter4nv@gmail.com -- which is NOT a campaign associated site, it's purely mine -- I will forward them to sheddhead and we can post them on the site.  Fun!

      My apologies to students who took my U.S. Government class in the 90s: evidently the Constitution doesn't limit Presidential power after all. Who knew?

      by Major Danby on Sun Oct 29, 2006 at 05:04:20 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  This was scary (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    CenterLeft, suicide blonde

    If Bush'd had this law during Katrina...

    http://www.workers.org/...

    Found it while looking up links for the (shockeroo) Links page.  I didn't include it, since I figured the source would give most conservative viewers of the site the heebeejeebees.

    •  Yeah, I don't think that that's the cite we want, (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      CenterLeft

      but the first few paragraphs match my understanding of what happened during Katrina, and if someone could find another source with actual references for this that would be excellent.  Here's the story:

      Just two days after Hurricane Katrina hit New Orleans, President George W. Bush began demanding that Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Blanco yield to him the command over any National Guard troops sent to the area, according to reports in the leading establishment newspapers.

      Bush wanted to invoke the Insurrection Act, which would have allowed him to take control over all armed forces deployed, including Louisiana’s National Guard troops. But under the terms of the act, he had to get the assent of the legislature or the governor of the state. The legislature was not in session and Blanco refused.

      The governor kept calling on the federal government to send in all the assistance it could muster. Mayor Ray Nagin of New Orleans repeatedly sent out an SOS as the situation became increasingly desperate for tens of thousands of people in the Superdome, the Convention Center, and on the elevated highways and bridges of the city.

      But no significant aid came for days—no buses or boats to move people out of the city, no food or water or temporary shelter. Civilian volunteer medical and emergency workers were being turned back from the city, even as the most vulnerable people were beginning to die. A pressure cooker situation was developing.

      And as the anger rose, it became the excuse for not providing relief. It was too “dangerous” to go in. The area had to be “secured” by troops first. The Black people of New Orleans—who made up the vast majority of those unable to evacuate—were being treated as “the enemy,” not as desperate survivors.

      My apologies to students who took my U.S. Government class in the 90s: evidently the Constitution doesn't limit Presidential power after all. Who knew?

      by Major Danby on Sun Oct 29, 2006 at 05:09:21 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  And now you know why, (5+ / 0-)

    Even as a 'ibertairian democrat', or 'leaning progressive', or whatever label anyone cares to hang, I firmly support the 2nd Amendment!  Call it whatever you will, crazy or not... but I simply do not trust George Bush, no do I trust any future executive with such power.

    Life is not a 'dress rehearsal'!

    by wgard on Sun Oct 29, 2006 at 05:09:43 PM PST

  •  I'm listening to Laura Flanders (5+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    ornerydad, marina, DblTrbl4Me, DSPS owl, ER Doc

    and the caller said that the Posse Comitatus law can't be changed because it is in the constitution! Then he quickly changed subjects to talk about  Steele being such a great candidate and so on.

    This tells me that the Republican talking point as usual is to muddy the water by saying a constitutional ammendment is needed - so no one will pay attention to any protest about the changes to this act as a done deal.

  •  Great diary! (0+ / 0-)

    Looks like someone's been usin' "the Google"!

    "I don't wanna listen to the fundamentalist preachers anymore!" -Howard Dean

    by astronautagogo on Sun Oct 29, 2006 at 05:35:54 PM PST

  •  I would suggest (0+ / 0-)

    gathering a list of snail mail addresses as well, not federal ones but their stateside addresses for the congress people as well as for the governors.  Some of us still send physical mail with the fantasy we will get a physical response.

  •  There's a diary on (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    ornerydad, DSPS owl
    signing statements here, to combine with the posse eradication project in your head and see the picture of what they have set up so well. Rill, they almost got a coup.

    George Allen is an ignorant racist pig who is in the pocket of Big Bidness.

    by emmasnacker on Sun Oct 29, 2006 at 05:44:02 PM PST

  •  Pacific Northwest here (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Eternal Hope

    I would be happy to provide the information for Washington and Oregon.  After I gather it, where should it be sent?  The website?

    It is not clear to me what else you need, but count me in for whatever that is.  I can work from home most days.  Also, I'm a "recovering" attorney and willing to do some legal research if needed.

    Keep me posted.

    •  I haven't recovered yet from being an attorney (0+ / 0-)

      but since August I've recovered from getting paid for it.  Send info to gregatcarter4nv@gmail.com.  (Not a campaign e-mail, but just the easiest one for me to use for now.)

      My apologies to students who took my U.S. Government class in the 90s: evidently the Constitution doesn't limit Presidential power after all. Who knew?

      by Major Danby on Sun Oct 29, 2006 at 06:32:35 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  Sounds like one for Keith..... (3+ / 0-)

    We need to get Keith Olbermann's attention on this, and he can get his constitutional law expert to comment.

    Sounds like this is ripe for another "special comment".

  •  A one year old article, (0+ / 0-)

    available to TNR subscribers (which I'm not).

    THE END OF POSSE COMITATUS?
    Coup de Grâce
    by Spencer Ackerman
    Post date 10.24.05 | Issue date 10.31.05  

    Over a decade ago, an Air Force lieutenant colonel mused about a military coup in the United States. In a widely praised 1992 essay in the Army War College journal Parameters, the officer, Charles J. Dunlap Jr., argued, in the form of a letter written far into the future, that elected officials would gradually and deliberately cede authority to the military for an increasing number of previously civilian functions. Eventually the generals, encouraged by public disgust with squabbling politicians, accepted the myth of their own infallibility and took the reins of state directly.

    The Republicans are defunding, not defending, America.

    by DSPS owl on Sun Oct 29, 2006 at 06:43:11 PM PST

  •  Need research help! (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    greenearth

    We'd like to build on this diary by bluerevolt, but it links to web sites rather than to e-mail, phone, fax.  I haven't had time to check out all of the links people have provided.  We'd like to find something that does link to what we need elsewhere, or we'd like to start putting in this information from the web sites.  Eventually, we'd like an Excel spreadsheet.  If you're able to do part of this, please just call your portion and let others know; we can merge the spreadsheets here.  E-mail them to my gmail address noted above.

    My apologies to students who took my U.S. Government class in the 90s: evidently the Constitution doesn't limit Presidential power after all. Who knew?

    by Major Danby on Sun Oct 29, 2006 at 06:54:34 PM PST

  •  this project just got mentioned (4+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    SeattleLiberal, sheddhead, greenearth, kml

    on Laura Flanders' radio show on Air America.

  •  Martial law has been my greatest fear with Bush (12+ / 0-)

    I have been expecting the October surprise to involve some type of terrorist, or alleged terrorist, activity. As a result, Bush would suspend the elections and call out the National Guard to quell any citizens who objected. He would then regretfully say that he would have to remain President until the threat was gone. Sort of like Iraq and GWOT, that could be forever.

    I hadn't realized that Congress had just made it easier for him. I think we should all get behind this however we can. I wouldn't put anything past Bush and his cronies.

  •  Probably Unconstutional Anyway (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    greenearth, ER Doc

    But not a bad idea to start an organization to have it repealed before it gets that far. I certainly wouldn't want a Federal Judge to make random interpretations of personal Federalism theory when such an important clause is at stake.

    •  How do you go about getting it before the Supreme (0+ / 0-)

      Court? And with all the extremists Bush has placed on it in his 6 years- would you want to?
      This is why it would be so great for Dems to control the Senate, to block any more picks he gets. Seems like the so-called "moderate" R Senators still vote yes on his picks.

      •  Bruce Fein, life-long conservative and (0+ / 0-)

        former Reagan Justice Department official offers several remedies in his statement before the SENATE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE:

        "Presidential signing statements are extra-constitutional and riddled with mischief. . . I would further recommend that Congress enact a statute seeking to confer Article III standing on the House and Senate collectively to sue the President over signing statements that nullify their handiwork, at least in circumstances where there is no other plausible plaintiff who would enjoy standing. . . . . If all other avenues have proved unavailing, Congress should contemplate impeachment. . . . "

        The Republicans are defunding, not defending, America.

        by DSPS owl on Sun Oct 29, 2006 at 09:54:49 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

  •  Here's a piece that moderate conservatives like (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    sheddhead, DSPS owl

    It doesn't deal specifically with the Posse Comitatus Act, but it does show how the Bush regime uses fear to gather more and more power.

    I don't know if you can use it as is, but if you need any other video work done, let me know.

    While it is sometimes true that Christians don't lie, it is often true that liars pretend they are Christians.

    by Dan Hrkman on Sun Oct 29, 2006 at 08:11:08 PM PST

  •  I Would If I Had Money.... (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Andrea inOregon

    There is someone who I think would be helpful to invite... He's a real pain in the ass conservative, but, he realllllllly isn't thrilled with BushCo anymore... Andrew Sullivan has woken up to the fact that he's been bcking the wrong people, at least for this year... He's got a blog & a regular column that a jillion people read everyday... If you haven't gotten in touch with yet, you should try... He may be more helpful than you think...
    As I've said I'd help if I had money to send, I don't, I won't get paid until Tuesday or Wednesday & even then with all my bills I am still going to be strapped for cash... I am going to try & buy myself a late birthday present which is a all-in-one printer with a FAX if I can keep the price of it under $130.00 including tax... If I'm able to afford the printer, I'll be glad to write every last idiot who let BushCo get away with this...

    Take Care All... PLHeart..

    by PLHeart on Sun Oct 29, 2006 at 08:12:57 PM PST

    •  I'm not asking for money (0+ / 0-)

      Seriously.  Really.  That just complicates things.  After the election, this may morph into a different sort of organization, and that may change, but not now.  For now I just want people to fax, write, call, talk, and spread the word about this travesty.

      My apologies to students who took my U.S. Government class in the 90s: evidently the Constitution doesn't limit Presidential power after all. Who knew?

      by Major Danby on Sun Oct 29, 2006 at 08:17:51 PM PST

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      •  Not To Worry... (0+ / 0-)

        It Will Be The 1st thing that comes off the new printer... I knew you weren't asking for money... But, it is gonna take money in some way to hold some of these people's feet to the fire... Law suits are going to come up, because somebody, is going to be arrested... I know I'm on list hidden some where, I've written Bush & called him a backwardasscountryf***, & since I'm too poor to fight back, these nuts won't think twice about trying out their new toy(law) on me, because who's gonna fight for me to get outta of jail... My husband's elderly & needs care, but, that won't stop them.... I know, I'm worrying too much... But, when I look at just how crazy these men are, I am starting to get nervous...

        Take Care All... PLHeart..

        by PLHeart on Sun Oct 29, 2006 at 08:30:22 PM PST

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      •  I have been on the phone all night.... (1+ / 0-)
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        Calling and leaving messages for the Governor, Candidates, National Guard, Assemblywomen, Attorney General's office, Senators, Congressman, Newspapers, media, and friends to pass the word.

        We are at the moment when our lives must be placed on the line if our nation is to survive its own folly. -Martin Luther King.

        by Eyes Wide Open on Sun Oct 29, 2006 at 10:45:22 PM PST

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        •  That's fantastic. Please keep a record (0+ / 0-)

          of who you've contacted and let me know so we can make sure that we have good coverage of candidates without beating a few of them to death with a flood of requests.  (Not everyone gets to call John Conyers, folks!)

          My apologies to students who took my U.S. Government class in the 90s: evidently the Constitution doesn't limit Presidential power after all. Who knew?

          by Major Danby on Sun Oct 29, 2006 at 11:06:37 PM PST

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          •  You got it! (1+ / 0-)
            Recommended by:
            Andrea inOregon

            I am wracking my brain and surfing like a mad woman for more phone numbers and people to call!

            In the next few days, I will make as many phone calls per day as possible until we reach our goal.

            We are at the moment when our lives must be placed on the line if our nation is to survive its own folly. -Martin Luther King.

            by Eyes Wide Open on Sun Oct 29, 2006 at 11:18:01 PM PST

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            •  Try to make sure they get the fax (2+ / 0-)
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              Andrea inOregon, Eyes Wide Open

              before calling them for their position, so they don't just claim "I don't know about the issue."  The fact that they just voted for this monstrosity ought to shame them into not saying that, but my guess is that it won't in a lot of cases.

              My apologies to students who took my U.S. Government class in the 90s: evidently the Constitution doesn't limit Presidential power after all. Who knew?

              by Major Danby on Sun Oct 29, 2006 at 11:20:04 PM PST

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  •  Glad you're hyper focused on this, I'm sure (0+ / 0-)

    that's what it will take to get something done on this.

    But if I may be so bold, what about the tossing out of habeus corpus? Any plans to take that on at some point? Have to admit, it galls me.

    Be good to each other. It matters. Bill Sali

    by AllisonInSeattle on Sun Oct 29, 2006 at 09:52:27 PM PST

    •  It galls me too -- (0+ / 0-)

      but that issue got decent airing (though not enough for my taste) and people feel that it is settled for now (until the Court overturns it -- we hope.)

      This is something that was slipped by Congress without debate, and I'm convinced that people voting didn't even know the worst of what was there.  And it's an issue that will incense people that -- unlike the "protect habeas corpus" team to which you and I belong -- are not necessarily on our side for the most part.  Everyone should have to choose -- are you on Bush's side, or the National Governors' Association's side?  I really look forward to seeing which way a lot of people will go.

      My apologies to students who took my U.S. Government class in the 90s: evidently the Constitution doesn't limit Presidential power after all. Who knew?

      by Major Danby on Sun Oct 29, 2006 at 11:10:55 PM PST

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      •  Why the HELL is *any* bill (0+ / 0-)

        EVER getting passed without people knowing what is in it?

        Where is the fire? What have we created here? How asleep can we be, to creep further and further along, until we're in a place where that is accepted?

        Utter insanity.  Which you know already.

        PS
        My friend who's PTSD from Iraq loved your initial diary on this, which I sent him. The "Major" part helped him like it, I think.

        And, my R bio-brother will justify the Nat Guard thing. I can just hear it: "Well, of course the Pres should have the authority to move the NG around! There could be a need! What if we were attacked? Our safety is most important."  

        Whereas if it were a Dem Pres proposing this, he and cohorts would say, "OMG, no! This is terrible, think of the damage that person could do with this...." blah blah. Checks. Balances. Grasp it, you twits. OK, I'll be quiet now.

        Be good to each other. It matters. Bill Sali

        by AllisonInSeattle on Tue Oct 31, 2006 at 04:25:49 AM PST

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        •  Heh (1+ / 0-)
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          Yes, arguing with some of these people is like arguing with four-year-olds, huh?

          Conservatives have been pushing states' rights, federalism, posse comitatus, etc. for as long as I can remember.  If they're going to give that up now, I want it in writing.

          Your paragraph about my getting added credibility from my calling myself "Major" is exactly why I'm dropping the handle.  I don't want your friend feeling he was lied to when he finds out that I'm not in the military, but was just honoring a literary character.

          Go not be quiet now!  Peace at you.

          My apologies to students who took my U.S. Government class in the 90s: evidently the Constitution doesn't limit Presidential power after all. Who knew?

          by Major Danby on Tue Oct 31, 2006 at 10:54:03 AM PST

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  •  NOTE: LETTER TO FAX IS NOW AVAILABLE! (1+ / 0-)
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    Seymour Glass

    Thanks to sheddhead's staying way up past her bedtime in Chicago, the letter that we will be faxing to public officials is now available on the finger2006.com website.  Scroll to the bottom of the first page, and follow the instructions to right-click  on the finger and download the PDF.  Write in the name of the politician you want to contact -- or you can write it on a piece of white paper and tape it in place so that you can re-use the same letter with different people -- and you'll be ready to fax it.

    Please let me know and let others know who you're faxing and calling so that we can compile records.  We're trying to work out a database that will allow us to keep track, but frankly our website is doing pretty damn well for having been in the air for only twelve hours and so the first day or so will be a little messy.  I'd rather err on the side of faxing too many people than too few, so just do e-mail me and let me know who you've covered and I'll try to call the dogs off if anyone is getting swamped.  Thanks!

    My apologies to students who took my U.S. Government class in the 90s: evidently the Constitution doesn't limit Presidential power after all. Who knew?

    by Major Danby on Sun Oct 29, 2006 at 11:18:22 PM PST

    •  Congratulations! (0+ / 0-)

      This has been nothing short of ABSOLUTELY REMARKABLE WORK.

      This is what Americans do well.  We work TOGETHER in a time of crisis.

      We are at the moment when our lives must be placed on the line if our nation is to survive its own folly. -Martin Luther King.

      by Eyes Wide Open on Sun Oct 29, 2006 at 11:23:38 PM PST

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      •  I have to admit that this has been pretty cool (1+ / 0-)
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        Eyes Wide Open

        Just check out our website.  I sent sheddhead the info last night -- or was it this morning? -- and she was able to make it sparkle in half a day.  Without her, it would look like Mat t Drudge vomited up a bunch of refigerator poetry magnets onto the screen.  And that people like you have been calling all night -- it's amazing.  How tomorrow we call bookers, and hopefully people identify other people who can be interviewed, and we start recording responses, and we continue making noise.  We have leverage on politicians right now and we are using it.

        My apologies to students who took my U.S. Government class in the 90s: evidently the Constitution doesn't limit Presidential power after all. Who knew?

        by Major Danby on Mon Oct 30, 2006 at 12:06:25 AM PST

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        •  Major, You are pretty cool, too. (0+ / 0-)

          I think you are just the most wonderful writer. I absolutely cannot wait to get home to read your articles.

          Thank you so much for sharing your talent with us. You have made my day better so many times, in the worst of times.

          I am so grateful to you.

          We are at the moment when our lives must be placed on the line if our nation is to survive its own folly. -Martin Luther King.

          by Eyes Wide Open on Mon Oct 30, 2006 at 10:29:49 PM PST

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          •  That is simply too nice (0+ / 0-)

            for me to come up with a substantive response.  Simply: thank you.

            My apologies to students who took my U.S. Government class in the 90s: evidently the Constitution doesn't limit Presidential power after all. Who knew?

            by Major Danby on Tue Oct 31, 2006 at 10:55:05 AM PST

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  •  I have to wonder.... (0+ / 0-)

    If they have slipped something else into some phantom bill or God knows what else, while most of Congress has been away. Didn't they do that with Bolton?

    We are at the moment when our lives must be placed on the line if our nation is to survive its own folly. -Martin Luther King.

    by Eyes Wide Open on Sun Oct 29, 2006 at 11:19:31 PM PST

  •  Posse nothin (0+ / 0-)

    Posse Comitatus has been gone for decades. Consider C.A.M.P. - direct utilization of national guard troops to terrorize rural communities in the name of marijuana "eradication". Consider SWAT and other paramilitary training that our police officers go through. Consider the national guard deployments in the nation's airports. Consider the national guard opening fire on students, marching against demonstrations, flying surveillance over communities.

    This is just business as usual in this country. Glad you are brave enough to do something about it.

    •  It's been legal if done at the state level (0+ / 0-)

      If the Governors says "go do this," then the National Guard has to go do it.  My guess is that much of what you're talking about there is done with the Governor's permission.  I may not like some of it, but it is, as you say, nothing new.

      For the President to do these things over the Governor's objection?  That's new.

      My apologies to students who took my U.S. Government class in the 90s: evidently the Constitution doesn't limit Presidential power after all. Who knew?

      by Major Danby on Mon Oct 30, 2006 at 12:08:17 AM PST

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  •  Thanks for the great work! (0+ / 0-)

    You are doing a great service with this effort.  When 1076 is combined with FISA violations, the Military Commissions Act, and the contruction of numerous detentions centers, a very frightening picture emerges.

  •  Please (0+ / 0-)

    Give me articles written in simple language that contain no insults or foul language that I can print and share.  I can and will spread the word but need materials to do so.  The groups that you want to reach need the implications spelled out in simple language.

    •  If you wouldn't mind doing me a favor (0+ / 0-)

      would you take a look at the material on finger2006.com and give me a brutally honest evaluation of what does and does not meet your criteria, and (if possible) how you think it might be improved?  You can e-mail me through the website if you prefer.  I agree with your goal -- and I think I've avoided insults, though I recognize you may find one -- but figuring out how to simplify this has been especially difficult.  You know the people around you, so you will have a very useful perspective.

      Thanks if you can do this (and best regards even if you can't.)

      My apologies to students who took my U.S. Government class in the 90s: evidently the Constitution doesn't limit Presidential power after all. Who knew?

      by Major Danby on Mon Oct 30, 2006 at 09:02:41 PM PST

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