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This diary is mainly for Florida voters. If you know a Florida voter- GET THE WORD OUT. SIGN THE OUTSIDE ENVELOPE. I can't be any plainer than that. Without a signature it will not be counted.  

The Absentee Ballots  must be received by the Main Office of the Supervisor of Elections by 7:00 p.m. on Election Day in order to be counted.  Branch offices close at 5:00 p.m. on Election Day. until Tuesday. Voted Absentee Ballots cannot be turned in at the polls.  These instructions are from the  Palm Beach Supervisor of Elections. As to the headline see flip side.


The canvassing board is not counting the ballots yet. They are only reviewing the outside envelopes. It is the first step. Again the outside envelope has to be signed by the voter.  The reviewing of the outside ballots will continue on Monday. Again the ballots themselves are not being tabulated.

A very close friend served as the Democratic poll watcher. "The" as in single Democratic poll watcher for the absentee ballots.  There were 3 Republicans.  About 370 ballots have been rejected by the canvassing board.

The board is made up of a loca judge (who ran for public defender and lost  as a Democrat in 1980), Arthur Anderson (Palm Beach Supervisor of Elections) and a 3rd party I didn't get the name of.  So far about 260 were rejected for failure to sign the outside envelope. A handicapped person was told (incorrectly) to have their husband write a letter explaining she couldn't sign the outside envelope, so he signed it for her. Her ballot was rejected. One of my neighbors failed to sign the goddam envelope. Her ballot was rejected. I think she is a Republican for what it is worth, but we are not friendly (putting it mildly).

Another 90 were rejected because the signatures weren't even close to the signature on file. My friend reports the judges are being fair, and that the GOP poll watchers were being aggresive as possible. Update: to Keep numbers in perspective, I have since been told about 30,000 absentee ballots have been turned in out of 60,000 or so that were requested. Therefore 350 rejected is about 1%. which is actually pretty good since I heard on Diane Rehmn that about 10% of absentee ballots are rejected on average.

Originally posted to molly bloom on Fri Nov 03, 2006 at 04:04 PM PST.

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  •  Reccomending to raise visibility. (8+ / 0-)

    Thanks for the tip!

    -5.75 -4.72 3.14159 2.71828

    by xynz on Fri Nov 03, 2006 at 04:06:20 PM PST

  •  This is frustrating (10+ / 0-)

    Its about all I know about the story. Going to dinner now.

    "Once in a while you get shown the light In the strangest of places if you look at it right"

    by molly bloom on Fri Nov 03, 2006 at 04:06:40 PM PST

  •  People are freakin stupid (2+ / 0-)
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    Cedwyn, docangel

    Pay attention !

  •  People really are stupid (1+ / 0-)
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    If you can't follow directions sufficiently to sign the envelope, you probably shouldn't be voting.

    That doesn't include the handicapped person who got bad information though.

    •  Especially since the info (2+ / 0-)
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      monkeybiz, neroden

      came from the freakin supervbisors office. Please recommend BTW

      "Once in a while you get shown the light In the strangest of places if you look at it right"

      by molly bloom on Fri Nov 03, 2006 at 04:08:21 PM PST

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    •  That is pretty judgemental and cruel (6+ / 0-)

      I know my mother who is 82 years young and is very worried this year about whether she has been able to jump through each hoop in the obstacle courses set up by some election boards.

      Mother has voted in every election since she reached voting age and perhaps there needs to be more assistance for the elderly to educate them on election requirements which have been moving targets for the last 6 or so years.

      If Democrats are this crass and ugly about Democrats, is it no wonder that the GOP feels free to take pot shots about Democratic ignorance and stupidity when it comes to butterfly ballots and the like.

      We are all aging and it shouldn't mean that younger folks will write us off as voters, think that we shouldn't be given the right to vote if we fail to understand changes as easily or can't see as well.

      And I guarantee my mother is agile and mentally alert for her age.  She remains active and serves as the librarian of her retirement community.  Is it too difficult to provide some kind of outreach to these voters?

      Sounds like some folks have partaken of the koolade and are now doing the GOP's dirty work for them.


      Thou Shalt NOT Whine...Get to WORK! Just a painty kat - NOT that be meanie cat

      by PaintyKat on Fri Nov 03, 2006 at 04:38:36 PM PST

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      •  OK (2+ / 0-)
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        NCrefugee, PaintyKat

        Maybe that's a bit rough, but when you're out campaigning and you encounter the level of apathy, ignorance, and sheer carelessness among voters, it really does shock you.

        It reminds me of the woman I encountered in Ohio on Election Day in 2004 who stopped me to say that she really hoped that Kerry was going to win.  Then I asked if she had voted, and she said that she wasn't registered.  Now maybe she was a felon or something and couldn't vote, but I suspect she just never bothered to register.  And the people who didn't sign their envelopes just never bothered to recheck everything before popping it into the mail.  We can do a lot to help people, but ultimately having a democracy means that people have to take some effort and follow through.

        •  Thank you for your work on the ground (0+ / 0-)

          and even though you get frustrated - remember that others experiences in life differ from ours and that means motivation for participation in the political process or even knowing how, or having the energy to educate oneself after the very act of survival can be more of an energy requirement than folks have at the end of the day.

          Think about those who worked before us in the civil right movement and fought for the vote for those who might not even be able to read and endured poll tests or those who didn't own property who encountered poll taxes.  It took a great deal of committment for those who endured beatings and jailings who dared to attempt registration to vote.

          When folks have been disincluded from the process for so long and perhaps are undereducated, they may not understand what is at stake or how to become involved.

          Your contributions are important ones, so take some time to be kind to yourself and that will help your endurance.

          Again, thank you for your efforts....

          Thou Shalt NOT Whine...Get to WORK! Just a painty kat - NOT that be meanie cat

          by PaintyKat on Fri Nov 03, 2006 at 05:39:32 PM PST

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      •  no. (0+ / 0-)

        It is not cruel.

        Ask for help if you need to. If you cannot read the instructions, ask for help.

        If you cannot sign your name, that is what the HAVA used to shove the electronic touch screen machines down the throats of the rest of us. Get her to a machine for disabilities at the local elections office or polling place.

        A poll judge can confirm an "x" if necessary.

        I have been an elections observer for several years. The elderly can get all kinds of help in WA if they are in a polling place that cannot be accepted on an absentee ballot.

        The volume of spoiled ballots is huge and the only fix is education or going to the polls.

        The biggest threat to America is not communism, it's moving America toward a fascist theocracy... -- Frank Zappa

        by NCrefugee on Fri Nov 03, 2006 at 05:35:53 PM PST

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        •  Pardan me, but who should I get to a machine for (0+ / 0-)

          disabilities?  As far as reading, I read very well and have an advanced degree.  My mother is the librarian for her retirement community, hence maintains inventory and does book buying, manages the annual budget, etc. for the community library.

          Perhaps it is your reading comprehension that needs a bit of brushing up.  I didn't indicate Mother couldn't write either so no need for an "X"  I would put Mother's reading comprehension up against yours any day, but the point was the increasing challenges placed by the GOP to make voting more difficult for all of us.  It is their efforts to reduce the numbers of voting populations that I address.  

          And my point was that this is the first time Mother, at 82, has ever voiced a concern for the number of hoops she had to jump through with additional requirements made into law in AZ.

          Since the author of the comment has already confessed it was harsh, and explained his/her frustration honestly, I will choose to disregard your spiel about it not being cruel.

          And forgive me if I don't put too much stock in your experience in election observations because it is sad to me that you have become so judgemental and crude about other voters.  The electorate can't possibly be well served by your attitude and eagerness to misunderstand what issue is actually being presented.

          I served for many years as an elective committee precinct person for the Democratic party and managed to avoid adopting your lofty idea about being better than other voters.  My job was education and assistance.  I also observed the actual voting process and removed the ballots at the end of the day from the machines, signed off on them for delivery to the Sec of States representative for compilation.

          But my position was and still is that every voter is important in this country and my understanding is that is a constitutional right.

          I sure don't want to see Democrats passing judgement on other Democrats and cutting anyone out of the process.  There is enough interference from the GOP but should be none from us.


          Thou Shalt NOT Whine...Get to WORK! Just a painty kat - NOT that be meanie cat

          by PaintyKat on Fri Nov 03, 2006 at 05:55:45 PM PST

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  •  elsewhere (8+ / 0-)

    If you know a Florida voter- GET THE WORD OUT. SIGN THE OUTSIDE ENVELOPE. I can't be any plainer than that. Without a signature it will not be counted.


    This is true everywhere. It's not just a Florida thing.  Please leave your John or Jane Hancock on the dotted line.  Please.

    In case of rapture, this keyboard will be armed.

    by tvb on Fri Nov 03, 2006 at 04:09:49 PM PST

  •  Palm beach (2+ / 0-)
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    That's a lot of seniors who should have reached the donut hole by now, isn't it?

    We have no future because our present is too volatile. We only have risk management. The spinning of the given moments scenario. Pattern Recognition. ~W. Gibson

    by Silent Lurker on Fri Nov 03, 2006 at 04:10:03 PM PST

  •  Absentee or In Person--Either way a loss (2+ / 0-)
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    PaintyKat, docangel

    Four years ago my son (paraplegic) tried to vote in Palm Beach County (Boca Raton) in person. The precinct was not handicap accessible. Someone lifted his chair into the precinct.

    Two years ago he tried to vote absentee. He was told two weeks after the election that his vote had not been counted because his signature did not match the signature on his registration. (He registered to vote "on leave" from Jackson Memorial Hospital, and may have been shaky.)

    So Tuesday we try to vote in person again. If the precinct is still not accessible, the movie will follow!

    •  Take a reporter and a lawyer with you this year. (0+ / 0-)

      Or ask Randi Rhodes to help.

      If he can stand the limelight, make it a PR event and file an ADA suit.

      Palm Beach County Early Voting Sites

      Start with these and scout to see if any are ada accessible before inviting a camera crew. If they are not, get footage of the steps or other barrier at each one.

      PBCO has No reason to have non accessible polling places.

      The biggest threat to America is not communism, it's moving America toward a fascist theocracy... -- Frank Zappa

      by NCrefugee on Fri Nov 03, 2006 at 05:55:30 PM PST

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  •  That's not to encouraging (0+ / 0-)

    when you've been volunteering for Ron Klein in Fl-22. I will keep going though

    Have A Bloggy Day :)

    by eeff on Fri Nov 03, 2006 at 04:32:36 PM PST

    •  Ron Klein (0+ / 0-)

      Every election in Boca Raton, the Dem signs go up in Ron Klein's district. Then about 10 days before the election, Clay Shaw's goon in this neighborhood takes down every Democratic sign in the entire neighborhood and puts up all Shaw ads. It is so obvious it's pitiful. The few Klein signs that went up (Yamato and Dixie/Second) were smashed within 24 hours of going up.

      THis is typical Republican goon work. It happens in the same neighborhood every election. Shouldn't be hard to pinpoint who the block captain is here.

  •  In 2000, Counting Unsigned Was Bad For US (0+ / 0-)

    Unsigned ballots appeared to be likely false ballots.  Most people read their ballots pretty carefully, and sign.  In 2000, thousands of unsigned and unpostmarked ballots were counted because Lieberman said it didn't matter, without the permission of Al or the attorneys on his team.  The premise was that if they were unsigned, they must be the ballots of our "young men and women serving overseas" - though I doubt in the end it made a difference where the ballot came from, if it was unsigned and not postmarked, it was counted anyway because - even though that is illegal - because Lieberman conceded that we the Dems would not object.

  •  Signatures not matching (0+ / 0-)

    Another 90 were rejected because the signatures weren't even close to the signature on file.

    If this is truly a reason to reject these, I'm in deep cow dung.

    My signature on file, is from when I registered to vote at 18.  I can tell you, from past elections, the signature they have for me is NOT the way I signed my absentee ballot.  I signed it the way I sign everthing now, and how I've probably been signing for 10 years or more.

    I honestly hope this is not a valid reason (the signatures don't match), or I'd venture a bet that tons of ballots would be tossed.  

    Sounds like just another excuse to supress votes.  

    "We are the universe, trying to understand itself." Babylon 5 - Delenn, Passing Through Gethsemane -7.63 / -6.15

    by Dave in PA on Fri Nov 03, 2006 at 05:30:49 PM PST

    •  I tested tthe software for sig id (0+ / 0-)

      And the only way I could sign so it did not recognize it is with my left hand. However I do sign with the first letter the same way no matter how I do it.

      If however your registration signature uses your full name (first middle last) and you sign the ballot with (first last) you may have a problem that gets kicked to a human. In a repub dominated district this could end up rejected if you are known by the worker as a Dem.

      However theis is in a very blue election district with lots of oversight.

      The biggest threat to America is not communism, it's moving America toward a fascist theocracy... -- Frank Zappa

      by NCrefugee on Fri Nov 03, 2006 at 05:47:14 PM PST

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    •  I know personally that it is true (0+ / 0-)

      I spoke to an election monitor who indicated she had personally witnessed over 200 ballots being thrown out because a Republican election clerk felt the "signatures didn't match." THis is a very common occurrence in PBC.

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