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Today, Andrew Sullivan shakes his head at the Corner's certifiably insane theocon Kathryn Jean Lopez, who, wrote:

Passing out contraception without any deeper context or conversation is degrading and disrespectful -- to men and women. Tell me I'm crazy.

As Andrew writes, it's not so much that Lopez believes this nonsense, it's that she can't fathom how anyone would not believe that condoms are evil.

She's crazy. We're not talking about condoms for kids here. We're talking about condoms for adults. We know she's nuts because she insisted only a couple of weeks' back that Rick Santorum - as an empirical prediction - would win in Pennsylvania. She is delusional, but she is also a fanatic. Notice how she cannot even understand how anyone could really disagree with her about the "evil" of contraception. In her cocoon, this may be true. The theocon right absolutely believes that contraception is just as immoral as gay sex. If they could ban it, discourage it, prevent its availability, they would. And with the appointment of Eric Keroack at HHS, we have new evidence they are.

K-Lo's Santorum obsession was quite the show. Whenever the pressure of the impending elections got to heavy for me, I'd head on over to the Corner to read Lopez' latest predictions of Santorum's huge victory, all the way to the bitter end. At first, I thought it was adorable. She was so obsessed to the point of delusion that it was kind of endearing. Kind of like pugs being so ugly that they're cute.

And while I was eager to see her delusions shattered on election night, something happened that I never would've thought possible -- Lopez got crazier. There was the suggestions that he be named the next secretary of defense, then U.N. ambassador. Her Santorum posts got so weird and incessant that her colleagues at the Corner started shifting uncomfortably.

John Podhertz, clearly sensing Lopez' mad descent into lunacy, first tried to knock some sense into her:

Kathryn, I know you're Upset, But Face It [John Podhoretz]
Santorum lost by 18 points. Casey won nearly 60 percent of the vote. Casey ran exactly the right race to win a landslide.

When that didn't work, he tried to head her off.

Moratorium Deal [John Podhoretz]
I promise not to mention anything having to do with science fiction for a month, Kathryn, if you will forbear on the matter of a certain defeated Senator...

Terms of a deal on Romney to be offered later...

After which Lopez snapped.

RE: MORATORIUM DEAL [Kathryn Jean Lopez]
He lost. Our loss. The week is over. Was a closing.

But no you haven't heard the last of him, please God. And you'll be hearing a lot more of Romney, and certainly not just from me. Also an excellent thing.

Good night -- henceforth without my incessant posts about good people saying important things.

That was weird. And it prompted this really pathetic Podhoretz response:

Hey, K-Lo, Don't Go Away Mad! [John Podhoretz]
Now you know how Trekkies felt when they canceled the show after the third season

So while she's probably still muttering about Santorum's loss as she tries to rock herself to sleep, her Romney obsession is starting to heat up. That should be quite entertaining as well.

Originally posted to Daily Kos on Fri Nov 17, 2006 at 02:36 PM PST.

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  •  One thing I have to say (10+ / 0-)

    Is that it has been so much easier to read about the insanity of the other side since 11/7, knowing that American people finally rejected their inept and dangerous ideas.

    ~ The improbable is possible ~

    by Benjaminwise on Fri Nov 17, 2006 at 02:39:25 PM PST

    •  It seems almost any group ends up this way (6+ / 0-)

      turning on each other during a crisis.  Not that I'm not enjoying it on their turf for a change.

      Remember, every time K-Lo decries a condom, a liberal earns another karma point.

      Chaos, fear, dread. My work here is done.

      by madhaus on Fri Nov 17, 2006 at 02:42:02 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  Amazing, isn't it? (3+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      FyodorFish, Benjaminwise, vets74

      I can even listen to the Dear Leader himself without barfing!

      Never give up! Never surrender!

      by oscarsmom on Fri Nov 17, 2006 at 03:01:38 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  Rejected ??? (0+ / 0-)

      The political environment was a PERFECT STORM:::

      -- IRAQ became a bloody, horribly lost disaster

      -- CORRUPTION put Republican after Republican in the slammer

      -- KATRINA showed weak management at its worst

      -- FOLEY courted boy pages and got his perversity covered up for years

      WHY does anybody here think that the election was won on social issues ????

      WHY would anyone think that middle America has moved to the Left ???

      All you're gong to get, now, is a chance to be heard clearly. Without the deafening drum beat that a strong conservative presidency can broadcast from the White House.

      Jeffersonian Democracy and the Dixie Chicks are America's best answers to fascism.

      by vets74 on Fri Nov 17, 2006 at 04:43:18 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  The Good News Is (43+ / 0-)

    Even Santorum knows it's over:

    Don't expect to see Sen. Rick Santorum's name on the 2008 presidential ballot.

    "Absolutely, positively not. Absolutely not," Santorum said yesterday on The Michael Smerconish Show on WPHT-AM (1210). "My wife would throw me out of the house if I do anything in '08."

    (Which house?)

  •  Are sympathy and schadenfreude mutually exclusive (10+ / 0-)

    Because I feel bad for her.  But I still want to do a pole dance on her sanity's grave.

    Lobbyists need Republicans like pimps need whores.

    by electricgrendel on Fri Nov 17, 2006 at 02:40:56 PM PST

    •  A bit of mitigation (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      Coherent Viewpoint

      I stopped feeling bad for her when she directed some snark at us a few weeks before the election... "But then again, the Daily Kos people haven't elected anyone, have they?"

      She's probably regretting those lines a bit this month. And we won't even take credit for Senator-elect Casey!

  •  Oh I can understand the Romney fixation (8+ / 0-)

    He's so dreamy and presidential looking.  You just can't help but imagine him standing over you as he pulls off his belt saying "I'm the Commander in Chief, Baby!"

    The Next Agenda "For Progressive Canadian Politics"

    by Bionic on Fri Nov 17, 2006 at 02:41:39 PM PST

  •  who is this crackpot? (0+ / 0-)

    and what happens if McCain or Rudy get the nomination?

    He may talk like an idiot, and look like an idiot, but don't let that fool you: he really is an idiot. Send him back to his father and brothers...

    by distributorcap on Fri Nov 17, 2006 at 02:42:55 PM PST

  •  What IS it with these people? (7+ / 0-)

    Why are they so determined to hurtle us back in time several hundred years?  And isn't that exactly what's wrong with Osama and his boys?  They ALSO want to hurtle backward in time several hundred years.  Jeez, where's a Stargate when you really need one?  I'd like to tie them all together and heave them through..maybe back to about 600 A.D. or so.  

    •  And what shaped their views about sex? (7+ / 0-)

      A bad experience earlier in life? Inability to let go? A really low sex drive? My background is in law, not psychology, and I can't fathom people wanting to tell other adults what to do in their bedrooms. I just can't.

      "Not a single person voted for me. If you don't like what I do, it's kind of too bad."--Chief Justice John Roberts.

      by Dump Terry McAuliffe on Fri Nov 17, 2006 at 02:52:03 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  Ask the Pope (3+ / 0-)
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      sherlyle, beemerr, Predictor

      Last time I played a Catholic wedding, a pamphlet in their reading rack equated artificial birth control with abortion.

      "People" don't dream up these positions.

      This is a big portion of our social justice wing. Note the burgeoning Latino vote takes them seriously on these issues.

      We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy....--ML King, "Beyond Vietnam"

      by Gooserock on Fri Nov 17, 2006 at 03:36:52 PM PST

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      •  And that's why I walked out on the Church (1+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        sherlyle

        A few years into John Paul II's reign, it was clear that not only wouldn't the Church loosen up on birth control on my lifetime, but would make adherence to its teachings on sexuality a condition of being a Catholic in good standing.

        I voted with my feet and have just one regret: I should have done so much earlier, like my wife did.

        "Not a single person voted for me. If you don't like what I do, it's kind of too bad."--Chief Justice John Roberts.

        by Dump Terry McAuliffe on Fri Nov 17, 2006 at 04:52:32 PM PST

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  •  hmmm (1+ / 0-)
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    redcardphreek

    you know that phrase "two french fries short of a happy meal?"

    seems K-lo got her happy meal.

    WE WON! LET'S ACT LIKE IT!

    by terrypinder on Fri Nov 17, 2006 at 02:45:28 PM PST

  •  I won't be IGNORED, John!!! (13+ / 0-)

    So soon they forget that rabbits boil . . .

    If the Earth really were your mother, she would grab you with one rocky hand and hold you under water until you no longer bubbled. -- Kathleen Dean Moore

    by Catatonia on Fri Nov 17, 2006 at 02:45:32 PM PST

  •  Sounds like K-Lo needs to get laid (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Steve Singiser

    She might be an overgrown virgin, fer cryin in the beer!

    "My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it." -- Abe Lincoln

    by munky on Fri Nov 17, 2006 at 02:45:55 PM PST

    •  K-Lo that is SO hot (0+ / 0-)

      K-Lo, you're right--- contraception can be naaaasty, if you use it right.

    •  I don't think there's any question (0+ / 0-)

      of course she's a virgin.  

      she's not married, and probably she's never gotten a lot of attention, so she needs to create a reality in which this unfortunate situation is a good thing somehow.  

      So her desperate plan is to make everyone else conform to this reality, and then she thinks that she won't feel as unimportant anymore.

      although it's getting late, you still have plenty of time

      by maracuja on Fri Nov 17, 2006 at 05:19:59 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  no be serious (0+ / 0-)

        She is a virgin, which means she has no experience with sexual negotiation.  This is extremely problematic because she talks about sex and how others should behave.  This "deviance" is why celibate priest molest children.  She has an extremely unhealthy attitude toward sex and hence has abnormal relations with people.

        pro-life + no legislation = pro-choice

        by kennyc on Fri Nov 17, 2006 at 06:07:26 PM PST

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  •  Crazy Klo... (3+ / 0-)
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    Shadan7, Coherent Viewpoint, sherlyle

    I also watched this bizarre behavior during the weeks leading up to the election.  While most of us here disagree strongly with the folks on the Corner, they're not idiots (most of the time, anyway).  If I were Jonah Goldberg or John Poderhoretz, I'd be seriously worried that Klo's growing insanity might threaten the Corner's credibility with the its more secular, rational readers.

  •  Romney's big shock (8+ / 0-)

    Romney is going to be a big disappointment.  He'll try to run down south on his sincere extreme right wing beliefs and fundamentalist faith--and it won't work.  According to evangelicals, Mormons aren't Christians, so the Bible belt, Bob Jones types will shun Mitt as though he was a Muslim--which to them he may as well be.  

    No one in this world has ever lost money by underestimating the intelligence of the great masses of the plain people. H. L. Mencken

    by jim0121 on Fri Nov 17, 2006 at 02:46:52 PM PST

    •  Worse... (2+ / 0-)
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      javajunky, jim0121

      ... every single taped time he bad-mouthed Massachusetts while he was Governor of Massachusetts will be used in oppo ads.  Plus his attendance record -- more time spent out-of-state during his term than in-state.

      There's a reason he's called The Occasional Governor, you know.  And the media hates him.

      The two most common elements in the universe are hydrogen and stupidity.

      by FlyingToaster on Fri Nov 17, 2006 at 03:57:34 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  while this would hurt him in MA... (0+ / 0-)

        the further from his home state an incompetent governor is (and judging from what people I know in MA have sent me, that's a flattering description), the better he looks to voters.

        IMHO, that's how Reagan went from an undistinguished term as Governor of California to President.

        Looking for intelligent energy policy alternatives? Try here.

        by alizard on Fri Nov 17, 2006 at 05:56:26 PM PST

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  •  Hypocrisy and stupidity (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    diplomatic

    The hypocrisy is that I'd bet my life that most of these wingnuts at NRO are using contraception -- dare I say some have even dealt with choice issues.

    The hypocrisy and utter stupidity never ends...

    Catch NY politics raw and uncensored at The CITY.

    by GregNYC on Fri Nov 17, 2006 at 02:48:16 PM PST

  •  The latest whacko (6+ / 0-)

    rightwing nonsense is the insistence that Michael Steele is a brilliant man who should have been installed as head of the RNC.  This was all over the rightwingosphere.

    Wow.

    I live in MD, and saw Steele up close and personal for the past four years.  Trust me, this guy doesn't have the brains God gave a gnat.  He is a complete and total moron who is saved by the fact that he looks good in a suit.  His shortcomings are legion -- he never passed the MD bar despite numerous attempts, he ran several businesses into the ground, leaving behind multiple judgments, he nearly declared bankruptcy before being rescued (literally) by Republican honchos desperate to find a black guy they could use, and for several years, had all (yes, all) of his living expenses paid by the Republican Party while he was its head here in MD.

    The only person more upset than the wingers that Steele lost out to Martinez was ME.  All week long, I kept hoping, "please pick Mike, please pick Mike, please?"  He would have been a disaster for the Republicans, and my only consolation now is that they were so desperate that they thought he was a good choice.

    "We have too many high-sounding words, and too few actions that correspond with them." -- Abigail Adams

    by jsmdlawyer on Fri Nov 17, 2006 at 02:50:20 PM PST

  •  I LOVE the right's subtlety on sexual morality (5+ / 0-)

    They always have these impassioned pleas for sexual restraint. The language is always high-minded, vaguely Straussian, old-world dignified philosophy.

    Yet when it comes to blowing poor brown people to bits, or leaving poor black people stranded during a storm, the subtle moral sentiments are long gione, left with contept, racism, hate, blood-lust.

    I fucking hate these goddamn right wingers. Sex is the true evil to them. Why do they hate life and joy and humanity so damn much?

  •  What a collection of nincompoops (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    justrock

    Sullevan, Lopez, Podhoretz.  Was there an online clown convention?

    "Mr. President, I'm not saying we wouldn't get our hair mussed." General Buck Turgidson

    by muledriver on Fri Nov 17, 2006 at 02:57:02 PM PST

  •  Let's face it: (6+ / 0-)

    The Corner is a bunch of really, really dorky Trekkies (no offense to any Trekkies here, and Lord knows there are quite a few).

    But that crowd wears their extreme geekiness on their sleeves. They go on and on about the nobility of the simple peasants in the Great American Heartland, but these guys are as weird and insular as it comes.

    •  They've never _lived_ in the heartland... (0+ / 0-)

      ... or they'd not glorify it.

      I grew up downwind of Philips Petroleum and upwind of Ralston Purina.  I was blessed because I was an airline brat and escaped regulary, and permanently at age 18.

      Wotta buncha maroons!

      The two most common elements in the universe are hydrogen and stupidity.

      by FlyingToaster on Fri Nov 17, 2006 at 04:56:41 PM PST

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  •  Lying for a higher good (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Steve Singiser, oscarsmom, Predictor

    I was monitoring The Corner before the elections, too, because it often turns up some useful gossip. I caught K-Lo in an outright lie, after Jim Caviezel recorded his stem-cell commercial, playing Jesus. It turns out he flubbed his line in Aramaic, dropping the word "betray." One of K-Lo's readers, an Aramaic student, provided a correct transcription and translation, which she subsequently "corrected," by adding a word that was never there. No matter what one thinks of the National Review, their authors and editors, while frequently cultivating an aura of eccentricity, do tend to pride themselves on getting obscure facts right. I expect her presence there is becoming an embarrassment.

    •  Obscure facts? (3+ / 0-)

      Like whether or not Michael Ledeen supported the war?

      I love the Corner because it's a train wreck that never ends. A new car comes around the bend and you're like "oh shit! Is that one going to stay on the tracks??" and then it gets pulled along with the rest of them, rolling down a steep embankment shedding passengers and squashing passersby like bugs, lurching to a stop on top of the immense pile of defunct train cars. And the train never stops coming--one car after another!

      "We must uphold a familiar commerce together in all meekness, gentleness, patience and liberality."

      by Marshall on Fri Nov 17, 2006 at 03:13:00 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  Why, why do these lunatics (0+ / 0-)

    care so much about what other people do in the bedroom, when it doesn't affect them in the least???  I mean, at a certain point one HAS to assume that there's some hidden personal problem there--otherwise how could it possibly relate to them??  I mean, I couldn't care less whether K-Lo has sex, never has sex, never uses a condom, etc.--and yet, she seems to care about what I do!

    Never give up! Never surrender!

    by oscarsmom on Fri Nov 17, 2006 at 03:00:43 PM PST

  •  Theocons never want to, you know, (0+ / 0-)

    simply get their rocks off?  All sex presumably must be in some "meaningful" context, as defined by them?   What a laugh.

  •  Most folks here may know this, (4+ / 0-)

    but Attaturk over at Rising Hegemon routinely eviscerates The Corner's dweeb brigade, and it's hilarious.  K-Lo in particular is shown no mercy....

    "If we abandon our ideals in the face of adversity and aggression, then those ideals were never really in our possession." -- Army Capt. Ian Fishback

    by sansho1 on Fri Nov 17, 2006 at 03:08:03 PM PST

  •  I gotta tell you all (0+ / 0-)

    that I'm going to start reading the corner more often.
    This stuff is fun to watch.  Somebody pass the popcorn!

    "Good night and good luck" --Edward R. Murrow, Keith Olbermann

    by soonergrunt on Fri Nov 17, 2006 at 03:10:40 PM PST

  •  Get her a vibrator for Christmas (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    ohcanada, arbiter

    I just saw her mug at Wikipedia, and it's my professional opinion that she needs one.

    "It's better to realize you're a swan than to live life as a disgruntled duck."

    by Mumon on Fri Nov 17, 2006 at 03:12:54 PM PST

    •  that's right on the edge of unacceptable (0+ / 0-)

      I can't stand k-lo, but I'd say that remark is out of bounds.

      •  I held back (1+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        kidneystones

        I was actually going to post something really close to this, but held back for propriety's sake. Also, I think that these people don't like sex when there is no degradation involved. If nobody gets hurt, it isn't holy enough I guess.

        You can't get away with the crunch, 'cuz the crunch always gives you away

        by dnamj on Fri Nov 17, 2006 at 03:18:47 PM PST

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      •  I'm sorry if it offended... (3+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        BPK, ohcanada, kidneystones

        But given that she thinks it's in bounds to dictate the personal choices one makes about one's sexual activity, I thought I'd put forth a suggestion for her of my own.

        No offense was intended to anyone here.

        But having said that, like Mohammed Atta, I think K-Lo suffers from some distorted view of her own sexuality, and projects it onto "those immoral people out there."

        "It's better to realize you're a swan than to live life as a disgruntled duck."

        by Mumon on Fri Nov 17, 2006 at 03:21:00 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

      •  Lets call a spade, a spade. (0+ / 0-)

        She is empirically ugly. I don't think its a stretch to say that she isn't getting any.

        •  Why are her looks important? (1+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          ohcanada

          It's her writing that's crazy, let's judge her on that.  I find it unfortunate that women in the public eye are judged by their looks, much more than men are.

          •  I said similar things in about Mohammed Atta (1+ / 0-)
            Recommended by:
            Coherent Viewpoint

            in the past. Based on what he said about having no woman handle his dead body, and looking at that psychopath's face, I said the big problem with Mohammed Atta and his losers in al Qaeda was definitely sexually related.

            And Unabomber Ted Kaczynski, too.

            I don't mean it as a thing directed against one gender, and to the extent that I've done it, I've done it to men more than women.

            Rick Santorum, too. He looks like the kind of guy who'd bring a dead baby home to meet the kids...and he did...

            "It's better to realize you're a swan than to live life as a disgruntled duck."

            by Mumon on Fri Nov 17, 2006 at 04:18:31 PM PST

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            •  Sexual hang-ups (2+ / 0-)
              Recommended by:
              Mumon, Coherent Viewpoint

              are not necessarily related to looks.  K-Lo displays her sexual dysfunction in her writing.  I don't think there's anything wrong with pointing out the craziness in her writing, but it just seems a low blow to make fun of someone's looks - unless they make their living by bringing down someone else's looks.

              A good example of this is Rush Limbaugh's comments about Chelsea being "the White House dog."  The idea of a fat, bald, unattractive middle age man dissing someone else's looks is laughable.

          •  I think everyone........... (1+ / 0-)
            Recommended by:
            Mumon

            ..... unanimously agrees that her writing shows a lack of perspective on issues relating to sexuality. There's no point (or fun) in critiquing the ramblings of a clearly delusional human being.

            Clearly we have moved to the more hilarious observation that she is not an attractive person and wondering if that is the cause of her sexual frustration. What's wrong in a little fun?

            Jonah Goldberg is routinely derided here as a fat pompous ass and other chattering slobs like Limbaugh (no one ever jokes about him being fat) and Ponnuru get a routine fatty joke once ina while. While I'm sure there are legitimate instances of sexism to be found, this isn't one of them.

            •  Speaking of Ponnuru (0+ / 0-)

              I wouldn't be surprised if  the falsetto-voiced author of the fair and balanced look at us entitled "The Party of Death" is perennially thinking, "Does everybody else wonder when I'm going to go through puberty?"

              "It's better to realize you're a swan than to live life as a disgruntled duck."

              by Mumon on Sat Nov 18, 2006 at 07:27:32 AM PST

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      •  Nonsense (0+ / 0-)

        This is dailykos, not www.talklikeapuritan.net.

    •  Compare this to Sullivan's take (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      Mumon

      From the Sully link:

      (For a full treatment of the theoconservative position on abortion, contraception, heterosexual sex and end-of-life issues, check out Chapter Three of my book. It includes a careful dissection of Rick Santorum's book, and his profound hostility to the concept of American freedom. And it contains my favorite index item in the book: "clitoris: purpose of." Like I'd know.)

    •  Make her read Mark Morford (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      Mumon

      particularly the columns in which he discusses sexual stuff, which is at least once a week.

  •  J-Pod called her crazy at the Corner today too (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    diplomatic

    He seems to have some honesty in him that appears every now and again when you're not looking.

  •  you want hilarious wing-nut obsessiveness? (0+ / 0-)

    Check out this White House website.

    What a hoot. Obsessiveness combined with domestic propaganda. It really deserves a full-length smackdownification. I may get around to writing one up, one of these days.

  •  Yeah, I am now imagining all these college guys (0+ / 0-)

    at the checkout counter of their local chain drug mart, having to have a conversation about conception when all they want to do is buy some jimmy hats for the night ahead. What planet do these folks live on?

    17. Ne5

    In chess you may hit a man when he's down -- Irving Chernev, on Przepiorka v. Prokes, Budapest, 1929

    by Spud1 on Fri Nov 17, 2006 at 03:16:41 PM PST

  •  About that nickname (0+ / 0-)

    I just went over to wiki to read about the infamous K-Lo.  I noticed it linked her name to being like J-Lo's.

    I wonder if whoever bestowed it upon her was actually pulling a cruel prank on the poor girl. IIRC "klo" is a slang term for toilet in German, if I remember my German pop songs. "Taxi zum klo" was about cruising the public toilets for gay sex back in the 80s.  

    But I also read that K-Lo also pontificates from a Catholic perspective.  That she does this, based on a regard for life and yet supports Bush is simply disingenuous.  Her position isn't in synch with the Catholic Church which it should be, given her philosophies.

    She's simply a political shill.

    The Next Agenda "For Progressive Canadian Politics"

    by Bionic on Fri Nov 17, 2006 at 03:19:23 PM PST

  •  I wonder how Jenna/NotJenna feel... (1+ / 0-)
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    godislove

    I wonder what they think about the use of birth control.

    I wonder what they think about their father's latest nutjob nominee.

    I just wonder.

    "I think they're in the last throes, if you will, of the insurgency."

    by Big Nit Attack on Fri Nov 17, 2006 at 03:21:54 PM PST

  •  Her Romney obsession shows (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    givemhellHarryR

    just how delusional and out of touch she is.  If she were a real, honest to God Fundie she would never give Romney the time of day, much less gush over him.  Fundies think Mormons are cultists.

    Romney won't stand a chance in the South.

    My car has injured fewer people than Dick Cheney's guns.

    by bulldog on Fri Nov 17, 2006 at 03:27:26 PM PST

  •  She likes me, should I run? (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Alexander G Rubio

    I posted a story regarding the freeper who mailed phoney anthrax and hated Sci Fi multiculturalism.  She liked my piece and linked it to the NRO.

    The blog I posted is part of the local MSM combine in Madison.  The house hawk sent me an attaboy and pointed out the link to me. Having some trouble processing this.

  •  But Santorum COULD STILL WIN! (0+ / 0-)

    Results still haven't come in from the far side of the moon.

    Whew. Haven't felt this human in 6 years.

    by Bob Love on Fri Nov 17, 2006 at 03:28:27 PM PST

  •  They're right about one thing (3+ / 0-)
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    The theocon right absolutely believes that contraception is just as immoral as gay sex.

    They're right.. ...just not in the way they think they are.

  •  I'm surprised John Podhoretz... (0+ / 0-)

    didn't summon Motley Crue to mind and finish off the closing line with: "Hey, K-Lo, Don't Go Away Mad, Just Go Away!"

    Not often I cite Motley Crue in a post.

    The object of mathematics is the honor of the human spirit. -C. Jacobi

    by Malachite on Fri Nov 17, 2006 at 03:34:13 PM PST

  •  The K-lo (3+ / 0-)
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    Yes the Santorum stuff in the last week before the mid-terms was like she was bloging from Hitler's bunker.

  •  Explain? (0+ / 0-)

    Can someone explain the Romney reference?  I'm sure it's Mitt Romney, but what's that have to do with K-Lo?

  •  JPod and Jonah (0+ / 0-)

    Ever get the feeling that they think K-lo is a kook?

  •  "the Republican War on Sex" (3+ / 0-)

    Why is it that these people get so worked up over people doing the nasty?

    (It's not like I get angry and bothered by their going to church ;) )

    Seriously, I keep waiting for some unmistakable public backlash against their conspicuous prudery. I don't doubt that the Republican embrace of Church Lady politics and total capitulation to the super-repressed Dobsonites cost them big-time in the Interior West (MT Senate) and probably elsewhere, but this should sink them everywhere. Americans generally like sex, and they certainly don't like being told what they morally should and shouldn't do in that realm of human experience.

  •  Heh (3+ / 0-)
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    BPK, alizard, godislove

    Memorandum

    To: KJ Lopez

    From: The Reality-Based Community
    Re: Contraception

    You're crazy.

    The difference between Bush and Dick DeVos? Bush speaks better Spanish and (kinda) served in the National Guard.--h/t Dump Terry McAuliffe

    by PerfectStormer on Fri Nov 17, 2006 at 03:48:59 PM PST

  •  Now wait a minute, kos.... (0+ / 0-)

    Did you really think you could get away with this?

    Kind of like pugs being so ugly they're cute.

    My pug, Daisy, is downright attractive. There are a lot of pugly pugs out there but my precious wittle poopsie is a doll! And she doesn't like pug generalizations, no she doesn't....

    The only life that matters to a conservative is that which can't talk back.

    by cls180 on Fri Nov 17, 2006 at 03:51:32 PM PST

  •  Could someone please refer me to (2+ / 0-)
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    some books or articles or perhaps DVDs that deal with the issue of why so many young people have become attracted to the modern conservative movement over the past 3 decades, starting with the Reagan years. I.e. "Alex Keaton" conservatives, those earnest, eager, hyperconfident, breezy and utterly unself-critical Tucker Carlson and Rich Lowry clones, who to this day STILL do not get that their ideology is a pretty illusion and nothing more, and that it simply DOES NOT WORK.

    I'm not referring to the truly loathsome and evil Rovians or even unthinking simpletons that Dean referred to in Conservatives Without Conscience, but rather the reasonably bright, well-educated, sometimes even articulate preppy types who flocked to the movement upon Reagan's assumption of the presidency in 1981. I knew a few of them in high school and college, but I never really GOT them. What was the appeal, compared to what at the time was a still dominant brand of post-New Deal and Great Society liberalism mixed in with post-hippie "everything goes" culture.

    I mean, I can understand why young people were attacted to counterculturalism in the 60's and 70's. In a nutshell, for most it was some combination of rebellion and nonconformity, ready access to sex and drugs, rock music, a fun group of people to hang out with, a sense of being part of something new and exciting, and, for some, a sense of helping to make positive social, cultural, political and legal change. It's not hard to see why young people would be attracted to that.

    But what was and still is the appeal of Reagan conservatism? It's not fun, it's not rebellious, it's not transgressive, there is no music, there are no drugs (not that I'm endorsing them, but kids are kids), and I seriously doubt that there's much sex (at least of the easy and non-complicated kind). So what's the appeal? Are these people coming from parts of society that simply don't relate to such things? Do they come from Stepford families? Were they beaten as children? Were they taught that rock was the devil's music? Was sex described to them as something that only wicked people even think about let alone do?

    I just don't get it. It's like the old saying, that if you're young and non rebellious, or old and not conservative, then there's something wrong with you. Well, what's WRONG with these people? I mean, they don't exactly come from bible-belt families in small towns, I assume, where all the unsophisticated Bushites come from, do they? They seem to come from fairly well to do and sophisticated backgrounds, where your father isn't also your uncle. So what gives? Is there something wrong with them psychologically, or do they come from extremely repressed and messed-up families?

    Please someone help me understand these people.

    For good reason, the GOP often is called "the stupid party." -- Bob Novak

    by kovie on Fri Nov 17, 2006 at 03:52:31 PM PST

    •  I've known these people too... (2+ / 0-)
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      Coherent Viewpoint, godislove

      since I went to a very elite university. My take on it is that they are cultivating a sense of elitism within themselves. Low-class elitism translates into immigrant and minority hating; upper-class elitism translates into the "Alex Keaton" young republicans that you are describing. It still boils down to the same thing, that these people feel the need to be better than somebody.

      The bowtie that Tucker and George Will wear is a code. My college roommate wore a bowtie just like that. He was a southern conservative asshole and he grew up to be an Indian lobbyist. I keep scanning the paper for his name in connection with Abramoff.

      •  I guess that I'm just wondering (0+ / 0-)

        why these people weren't visible in the 60's and 70's. Would these same people have become hippies, or would they have simply kept a low profile for fear of being branded fascists, and when Reagan came along and made conservatism acceptable, they came out of the woodwork and suddenly seemed to be everywhere?

        I.e. do the times make the people, or do different times make certain kinds of people prominent, and others less so? (And either way, should we expect them to recede back into the woodwork again and/or undergo a radical personality transformation, and the emegence of a whole new archetype for young people to model themselves after--and if so, what might that be?)

        Growing up in the 70's, I was always under the assumption that by and large younger people were more idealistic, open-minded and cynical than older people, and thus less likely to adopt conservative, intolerant and closed-mind mindsets, which I felt only set in later in life as disappointment, disillusion and world-weariness set in.

        And then these pod people came along, and threw me for a loop. They still do, as they seem to literally defy nature and common sense. That's why I thought that Family Ties had such an appeal (not to me, as I don't really go for mushy sitcoms, but obviously many Americans did), because the Alex Keaton character was such an oddity, very conservative, yet young and personable, which at the time seemed to weird.

        Still does, to me at least.

        For good reason, the GOP often is called "the stupid party." -- Bob Novak

        by kovie on Fri Nov 17, 2006 at 04:30:50 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

    •  the Republicans are spending (1+ / 0-)
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      money to recruit college kids for the RWNM at an early age. They get funding for various wingnut oriented college projects during their college years, then they get hired for think tanks (aka propaganda mills), "journalism" gigs, wingnut organizations, and wingnut politician's office.

      Ann Coulter is one example. I haven't tracked K-lo's career, but I suspect she's another.

      It's pretty obvious that the GOP is NOT getting America's brightest and best young people.

      Looking for intelligent energy policy alternatives? Try here.

      by alizard on Fri Nov 17, 2006 at 06:12:10 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  I guess that I had just as sheltered a childhood (0+ / 0-)

        as these people because until they started popping up everywhere in the early 80's, I had no idea that so many apparently intelligent young people could be this vacuous, soulless and unthinking. I assumed that nearly everyone of my generation distrusted authority and welcomed the relative anarchy and freedom of the 60's and 70's. (I.e. better dazed and confused than tasered and abused!)

        And then these pod kids seemed to appear out of nowhere, marching in rhetorical and sartorial lockstep and robotically repeating the same talking points about free markets and Reagan is god.

        You're right, this was the result of a well-organized and concerted campaign by the right to develop its own group of counter-countercultural youth who would challenge the counterculture and provide future talent for the party. Cult-like is not too strong a term for them and the recruitment process used to entice and indoctrinate them.

        I understand all this now, and yet, it still seems so weird. People this young are simply not meant to be this conservative. It's just not normal. But neither is being in a cult.

        I think that I made the mistake of assuming that the "peace, love and understanding" and "sex, drugs and rock n' roll" members of my generation, who were clearly to the left of the political and cultural spectrum and who were by far its most visible and prominent members, represented this entire generation, when in fact they only represented one part of it.

        Other parts of it went through the 60's and 70's in relative obscurity, having far more traditional upbringings and lives and making no attempt to be noticed. E.g. people like Bush or Rove. But when Reagan was elected and conservatism was "validated", they felt that it was safe to come out of the woodwork and be noticed, and they did.

        Still, how boring and disappointing, for a 20 year old body and mind to have the heart and soul of an 80 year old. There has to have been something wrong with these people before they were even recruited and indoctrinated, that made it easier to recruit and indoctrinate them. Hmm. Maybe Dean's book does apply to them after all. I.e. doctrinaire authoritarians, just younger.

        And they've now grown up, and are not going away. Scary.

        For good reason, the GOP often is called "the stupid party." -- Bob Novak

        by kovie on Fri Nov 17, 2006 at 08:10:33 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  as I said... (0+ / 0-)

          they aren't getting the "best and brightest". They're getting people willing to join a "cause" which will take care of them for the rest of their lives in exchange for propagating the teachings of a cult. While the cult teachings don't have much to do with any reality recognizable to people outside the cult, that's hardly uncommon.

          The only reason it got as far as it did is because of massive financing. If the money flow gets cut off, the RWNM will shut down within days and a whole lot of conservatives will have to find something new to do with their lives now that their cult has collapsed.

          The best and brightest have better things to do with their lives. Those with business-like inclinations who would seem to be natural cannon fodder for the "cause" don't get placed in the CEI or Cato via the RWNM, they start businesses or find a way to get themselves onto the corporate fast-track.

          Looking for intelligent energy policy alternatives? Try here.

          by alizard on Fri Nov 17, 2006 at 11:40:43 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

  •  Santorum as SecDef, or UN ambassador? (0+ / 0-)

    That is not quite as scary as K-Lo suggesting that Dubya nominate Santorum for SCOTUS.

  •  Good News (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
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    Today I read that condom use is up in Africa. This only bodes well in the fight against AIDS. Good News.

    As to Ms.Lopez, she is someone completely out of touch with the real world and ALL of its people, not just her particular "kind"

    Oh that we had the gift to see ourselves as others see us. Robbie Burns

    by ohcanada on Fri Nov 17, 2006 at 03:57:55 PM PST

  •  Lott, Romney Revive Republican Race Card (2+ / 0-)
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    While the GOP this week wrestled with its new status as minority party, leading lights Trent Lott and Mitt Romney showed the Republicans' attitude towards minorities remains unchanged.

    For the details, see:
    "Lott, Romney Revive Republican Race Card."

  •  Brownback said on NPR he thinks the pro-choice (0+ / 0-)

    Republicans will rule the Republican party from here forward.

    I am Howard Dean, and I'm here to represent the Democratic wing of the Democratic Party! ...

    by LandSurveyor on Fri Nov 17, 2006 at 04:27:32 PM PST

  •  Star Trek: It Was A Mercy Killing. (1+ / 0-)
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    godislove

    Paramount had to do something. Voyager could have been a great show that pushed the envelope and it turned into just another planet of the week show. Same with Enterprise except even more insipid. The only way Star Trek could have been saved was to cancel it, fire the producers and writers (who had all been around a little too long) and start over after five or so years.

    As for K-Lo: I find her brand of mental illness refreshing and quite entertaining. The reality is that people who think like that are eventually pushed to the margins of society by common folks who can't be bothered having someone tell them what they can and can't do.

    It's the beat generation, it's be-at, it's the beat to keep, it's the beat of the heart, it's being beat and down in the world and like all time low-down

    by Splicer on Fri Nov 17, 2006 at 04:44:49 PM PST

  •  I agree with Kos (0+ / 0-)

    These lunatics are dead set on ending the availability of contraceptives, and I sincerely hope there is still time to stop them before they convince millions of teenage girls the pill is evil.  Every time I read her little column I am more convinced she is totally unhinged.  Like all the "real" republicans who still support POTUS.

    Those things that hurt, instruct-Benjamin Franklin

    by godislove on Fri Nov 17, 2006 at 04:51:58 PM PST

  •  Contraception (0+ / 0-)

    If only we could get the theocon position on contraception out in the open more: they might have a reasonable chunk of Americans on their side re abortion, but there's no chance in hell that Americans are going to give up the right to both have sex and NOT have ten children.

    Can some Democratic political genius figure out a way to make contraception a wedge issue...?  (Not that I want to stoop to Rovian tactics, but it's somewhat tempting in this case....)

  •  Disagreed (0+ / 0-)

    That was the perfect response from Pod.

  •  yup, she's cuckoo (1+ / 0-)
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    her later post on the issueresponds to one of the responses that she got.  Someone sent her an email that concluded with "Oh and playing Vatican roulette is somehow morally superior to taking a pill?  You have really jumped the shark on this one."

    and she responds:

     For what it's worth, the idea that contracepting takes some of the joy out of sex (and then some) — and more so that a crass contraceptive cultural mentality is harmful — is not an exclusively Catholic view. Here's a Protestant couple talking just good sense.  

    so she then links to her own article from 2002 talking about how "NFP" (natural family planning... who knew it had an anagram) is the best way to succeed at marriage, along with the wife staying at home with the children.  After all the Lord said that we should be fruitful & multiply, so it's very important not to disobey.

    although it's getting late, you still have plenty of time

    by maracuja on Fri Nov 17, 2006 at 05:02:11 PM PST

  •  K-Lo: I haven't laughed this hard since (0+ / 0-)

    Nov. 8

    Wow. She could give Colbert a run for his money. Only, uh, she wouldn't wink at the camera as much.

  •  With nothing left to attract adherents, ... (1+ / 0-)
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    ...this bunch is going to withdraw again. They cannot accept having spent 26 years of pushing their ideology to no avail. They'll circle the wagons, breed like crazy, and pray up a hundred reasons why we heathens didn't accept their lunacy.

  •  This is how I figure it... (1+ / 0-)
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    BPK

    If I looked like her, I wouldn't get laid. If I didn't  get laid, I probably wouldn't see a use for contraception either.

    Call my crazy.

    There's a dirt floor underneath here.

    by MrAudioGuy on Fri Nov 17, 2006 at 05:10:32 PM PST

  •  KJLo secretly had Santorum's love child (0+ / 0-)

    that's the only possible explanation.  Would also be consistent with her aversion to prophylactics.

    "Doing something stupid once, that's just doing something stupid. Doing something stupid twice, that's a philosophy."

    by Cartoon Peril on Fri Nov 17, 2006 at 05:11:23 PM PST

  •  I thought PodWhoretz (0+ / 0-)

    had accomplished that Vulcan Mind Meld with K-Lo, no?
    But then again Rick "I See Dead Babies" Sanitarium would make anyone crazy....
    Things have gotten pretty pretty weird since Andrew Sullivan is getting quoted regularly on here.
    My, my how times have changed.
    Is his conversion completed though, close?

    "Bush is in command. And when he heard that sectarian militias had killed hundreds of Iraqis, he called for an immediate invasion of Sectaria." - Bill Maher

    by Predictor on Fri Nov 17, 2006 at 05:32:54 PM PST

  •  Seen KLO? contraceptives are irrelevant. (0+ / 0-)

    If you have seen this woman, I can't imagine her experience of contraceptives is extensive.  

  •  And who was Little Ricky (0+ / 0-)

    ...supposed to succeed on the Supreme Court?

    Hmmm. Does K Lo know how to bake cookies?

    JP
    http://welcome-to-pottersville.blogs...

    Defending bad taste and liberalism since 2005.

    by jurassicpork on Fri Nov 17, 2006 at 05:57:13 PM PST

  •  K-lo on who will win the midterms (0+ / 0-)

    Predictions [Kathryn Jean Lopez]

    With some focusing .... Rick Santorum will win. Michael Steele will win. Jim Talent will win. The GOP will keep the House and the Senate. It will send a message that we do, in fact, live in a 9/11 world and we vote as if we are.

    Right now is the time when real people really start paying attention. Arrogant pundits might want to call it a slaughter. Give up now and it may be one. Tell the truth — that there are three weeks left and anything can happen, and anything can happen.

    And mark my words: Santorum wins. Someone will self-destruct over that fact. The latter isn't the intended outcome, but it's bound to happen.

  •  K-Lo as a published columnist proves (0+ / 0-)
    how decrepid our news media has become. Our local RW rag carries her column and for the life of me I cannot fathom why other than it must be cheap. She is about as loony as they come. Last week after the elections she conceded Santorum's loss and then went on to claim how weak Casey was. I normally do not read her column as to I do not wish to pollute my mind with her drival. Again, how in the world could any news media organization take her seriously?
  •  The proper nickname for Ms. Lopez (1+ / 0-)
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    I submit that perhaps Ms. Lopez should be referred to hereinafter as K-Slo, rather than K-Lo. That seems like a more appropriate nickname, given her views and cognitive abilities.

  •  Be kind to the feeble minded... (0+ / 0-)

    Ok, so I  am just seeing a lot right wing nuts go off in solitary mutterings.  This is simply classic DENIAL!  We know this.  I think we need to be the parent here and show some compassion and empathy.  I mean jeez... their whole world just came crashing down on their heads!  
    I think we need to hold their hands and calm them down and just keep telling them:

    "It's all just been a bad nightmare.  Just keep breathing and look at the facts.  You feel that confusion and fuzzyness in your head?  That's the cognitive dissonance from the evidence and facts NOT supporting your ideas and point of view.  Just let go and breathe...  You've been asleep and in Denial, but now it's all over."  

    Perhaps some remedial basic math and logic will help. After the shock treatment.

  •  Set Phasers on Flee! (0+ / 0-)

    When even your fellow wingnuts think you're going overboard, it's a warning sign...

  •  At Least She Still Has Mitt! (0+ / 0-)
    Here's to that porker Lopez!
    (Spite evidence claims, "I ain't no lez.")
    She pants after Mitt --
    Would eat the gov's shit --
    And cums at whatever he sez!
  •  Well, you know, what do you expect (0+ / 0-)

    (as Jane at Firedoglake would say) from an acknowledged lifelong Duran Duran scholar?

    Heh.

    Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives. -- John Stuart Mill

    by Phenobarbarella on Sat Nov 18, 2006 at 04:30:58 PM PST

  •  So he's not running for President, but (0+ / 0-)

    maybe Ambassador to the UN?  The president will find a job for him and his former colleagues in the Senate will approve him.  This is what makes me sick.

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