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Christmas is a peaceful time, so hanging a wreath shaped like a peace sign doesn't sound that out of place, does it? In one Colorado subdivision, it is, enough to get you fined:

A homeowners association in southwestern Colorado has threatened to fine a resident $25 a day until she removes a Christmas wreath with a peace sign that some say is an anti-Iraq war protest or a symbol of Satan.

Some residents who have complained have children serving in Iraq, said Bob Kearns, president of the Loma Linda Homeowners Association in Pagosa Springs. He said some residents have also believed it was a symbol of Satan. Three or four residents complained, he said.

Lisa Jensen said she wasn't thinking of the war when she hung the wreath. She said, "Peace is way bigger than not being at war. This is a spiritual thing."

Jensen, a past association president, calculates the fines will cost her about $1,000, and doubts they will be able to make her pay. But she said she's not going to take it down until after Christmas. ...

Kearns ordered the committee to require Jensen to remove the wreath, but members refused after concluding that it was merely a seasonal symbol that didn't say anything. Kearns fired all five committee members.

There's some American, Christian values for you. Well done, Mr. Kearns!

Originally posted to LynnS in Words on Sun Nov 26, 2006 at 10:09 PM PST.

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  •  This weeks sign that the apocalypse is near (7+ / 0-)

    "Mr. President, I'm not saying we wouldn't get our hair mussed." General Buck Turgidson

    by muledriver on Sun Nov 26, 2006 at 10:16:09 PM PST

  •  Homeowners Associations are for the anxious... (15+ / 0-)

    I have heard many pithy arguements on why they are helpful but when we lived in the city I told the realitor to exclude neighborhoods that had them. She looked at me funny but followed my wishes. Unless you are paying my mortgage you can't tell me not to paint my fence pink or put up at "peace wreath" it just seems so anti-American.

    •  I'm getting court tickets for (10+ / 0-)

      having a garden. I am wondering what the mayor doesn't like: morning glories; maple tree saplings; flowering peach saplings; marigolds; tomatoes; peppers; melons; dutch clover? None of the other back yards in town got tickets and they are a mess. So I took pictures of everything and put them on a CD on my laptop for court. The judge wasn't moved at all. They just want the money.

      I am pondering taking it to a jury trial as the young people who are so very poor all plead guilty to whatever they say and pay the fines. How they pay, I don't know. They look as if they have nothing.

      This is why they hate govt in my neon red town and anyone who runs against the govt has their vote.

    •  HOAs a reflection on ourselves (2+ / 0-)
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      raines, undercovercalico

      HOA rules, like most rules, exist because an unfortunately large proportion of human beings cannot be trusted to exercise good judgement, basic respect, and common courtesy; absent an authority structure.

      HOA boards are frequently populated by the same human beings who necessitate codification of said rules, and they are the authority structure. Thus, HOA boards frequently demonstrate that they cannot be trusted to exercise good judgment, basic respect, and common courtesy.

      The concept that many people don't understand is that in many HOAs, especially densely constructed condominiums or townhomes, the members don't really own their individual units. Everyone owns their pro-rata share of all the common property. So, your fence isn't really your fence. It's our fence, and we have to agree to paint it pink. That's not un-American, it's just common courtesy. YMMV, depending on the legal definitions in your HOA documents.

      •  HOAs are for houses too (2+ / 0-)
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        raines, craiger

        Many newer housing developments have HOAs too, and you have to ask permission from them to do anything to the exterior of your house. I have been slowly removing many excess bushes from the house I just bought, hoping I won't get cited. I want to put a few palm trees in, but for that, I have to take pictures, get a landscaper's plans, and submit an application. It's annoying. I'd rather they let you do what you want in general, and only cite you if it's truly hideous, if everyone agrees you should remove it. That won't stop the peace wreath type of abuse, but many boards I have been involved in have been reasonable. I still hate that you have to get approval for perfectly reasonable things (like changing the color of your door).

        •  and for communities too (0+ / 0-)

          we use HOAs as a structure for cohousing communities.. the difference being that we all are on the board and we make decisions by consensus... it becomes a tool for supporting each other working together rather than forcing our will upon one another. That said, you can't choose colors or names by consensus... but we have other techniques for that.

  •  So much for Christmas being a time of (6+ / 0-)

    "Peace and goodwill towards all".

    I'm thinking Kearns is the one who needs to be fired.

    All hail The Fighting 110th!

    by PatsBard on Sun Nov 26, 2006 at 10:27:18 PM PST

  •  Wasn't Jesus the Prince of Peace? (5+ / 0-)
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    pb, tlh lib, marina, trashablanca, slothlax

    So no peace signs allowed? "Damn hippy!" Amerkuh, bringing you Christ-free Christianity.

  •  We can't have peace (12+ / 0-)

    if Bush is president....

    Never read anything so stupid in my life, you can't hang a PEACE sign during CHRISTMAS which is, among other things, a celebration of the birth of Christ who stood for PEACE?

    What about the peace dove that is also a symbol of Christmas?  Should that be banned too?  I guess a tank would have been ok?

    These people are nuts.

  •  I saw this story... (8+ / 0-)

    ...and thought, "Wouldn't that make a good grassroots project -- to make and hang peace sign wreaths on all our doors?"

  •  holy shit: (5+ / 0-)

    Well don't that just beat all?

    And of course it's Colorado, it's always Colorado it seems.

    Last year there was a story about a home owner's association fining someone for having a nativity scene in their yard.  But the home owner made a HUGE stink about it, got in the press, and eventually the association backed down.

    But that was in Colorado too.

    It's a fucking wreath people.  not a sign.  Not a "statement".  It's the reason for the season, not some call for satan to come and eat your children

    Jesus H Christmas what the hell is wrong with these people?

    If a democrat demands accountability in the Capital and no one covers it, does he make a sound?

    by DawnG on Sun Nov 26, 2006 at 11:00:07 PM PST

    •  Low IQ is what is wrong (0+ / 0-)

      At least, that is the impression I get from these people. Either they are genuinely stupid, or they are simply too lazy to use their brains. Or perhaps they enjoy looking like assholes. Take your pick.

  •  Have you ever noticed (3+ / 0-)

    all the huge houses with huge lawns, with no one outdoors, ever? "No humans live here."

  •  Looks like Mr Kearns can be in hot water himself (1+ / 0-)
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    neroden

    Watch this issue turn around and one Mr Kearns be out of office and looking for a new house.

    Political pardons are unacceptable Mr Bush,and so is hiding your daddy's secrets behind exectutive orders,free the truth now.Econ 3.50&Soc. 5.79

    by wmc418 on Sun Nov 26, 2006 at 11:21:37 PM PST

  •  End timers believe (1+ / 0-)
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    blueoasis

    Satan will come as a false prophet of peace...

    Quite a convenient loophole for those who look forward to Armageddon.

    -------------------------------------------------------
    Take your protein pills and put your helmet on

    by SFOrange on Sun Nov 26, 2006 at 11:53:38 PM PST

    •  Interesting decision (0+ / 0-)

      if what you say is true:

      Satan will come as a false prophet of peace...

      Then we are strapped for choice:

      1. George W. Bush
      1. Jerry Falwell
      1. Pat ... oh hell

      That won't work; you said false prophet of peace. All of these are true prophets of hate, aren't they?

  •  First Amendment (0+ / 0-)

    This homeowners association should stop existing, today -- that's a blatant attack on free speech.  Actually, Kearns should be imprisoned.

    -5.63, -8.10 | Libertarian Liberal

    by neroden on Mon Nov 27, 2006 at 12:11:19 AM PST

  •  I wrote a LTE of the Denver Post (1+ / 0-)
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    tcdup

    The whole point of war is to stop violence and bring peace.  I know that sounds convoluted to some, but that's the moral justification for allowing the government to have a monopoly on legitimate violence.

    That and the whole idea of this being a symbol of Satan is crazy.  Take down your pagan tree then asshole!

    -5.88, -4.82 "He deprives the leaders of the earth of their reason; he sends them wandering through a trackless waste." Job 12:24

    by slothlax on Mon Nov 27, 2006 at 12:13:47 AM PST

  •  HOA Question (1+ / 0-)
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    raines

    If a person decides to move to an area or subdivision that requires a HOA agreement on the part of the homeowners, they agree to it and sign the appropriate documents to that fact, do they not have to abide by the agreement they signed?  I'm not sure I understand why anyone would want to live in an area bound by such agreements and then have issue with them.  Wouldn't it be better to live in a non-HOA area where you can decide what goes on your lawn, how you paint your house as opposed to making a written agreement with an association?  Easy thing to do is ban all outside ornaments and such that way there are no offenses.

    •  Even if you sign (2+ / 0-)
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      raines, irishwitch

      it doesn't mean that every eventuality is covered. Most agreements say that you are allowed to have a certain amount of holiday decorations. It's unusual for an HOA to require you to take down a wreath, which is why most of the committee members objected to what the president did in this case. You are not signing all your rights away.

    •  Do they exist any more? (0+ / 0-)

      We went house hunting,and every last place was in a subdivision, and all had covenants.

      The last time we mixed religion and politics people got burned at the stake.

      by irishwitch on Mon Nov 27, 2006 at 11:45:07 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  Peace (6+ / 0-)

    This forked symbol was adopted as its badge by the Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament in Britain, and originally, its use was confined to supporters of that organization. It was later generalised to become an icon of the 1960s anti-war movement, and was also adopted by the counterculture of the time. It was designed and completed February 21, 1958 by Gerald Holtom, a commercial designer and artist in Britain. He had been commissioned by the CND to design a symbol for use at an Easter march to Canterbury Cathedral in protest against the Atomic Weapons Research Establishment at Aldermaston in England.

    The symbol itself is a combination of the semaphoric signals for the letters "N" and "D," standing for Nuclear Disarmament. In semaphore the letter "N" is formed by a person holding two flags in an upside-down "V," and the letter "D" is formed by holding one flag pointed straight up and the other pointed straight down. These two signals imposed over each other form the shape of the peace symbol. Peace symbol

    I realize many people don't know the history of the sign but believing it to be a sign of the devil? I am worried that so many people believe that you need to be against peace to be for the troops.  It is truly sad commentary on our society that you can't express a wish for peace when decorating for a holiday celebrating the birth of the Prince of Peace.

  •  Read this story (1+ / 0-)
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    tcdup

    earlier in the msm. What is it about Christmas that brings these idiots out?

    Peace on earth motherfucker,
    Athiest

    Common Sense is not Common

    by RustyBrown on Mon Nov 27, 2006 at 03:37:38 AM PST

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