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Christmas morning was going well enough, until I got the paper out of its little orange bag and got a look at the top, above the fold headline. Apparently, while no one was looking, the 109th Congress had been fulfilling some of its investigatory duties after all. But, why, might you ask, would that put a damper on Christmas? Isn’t that a good thing?

It would be, had the investigation subject been, say, no-bid Iraq contracts, or flimsy excuses for war. Instead, while we weren’t looking, Dana Rohrabacher and his band of merry men on the The House International Relations investigative subcommittee  were steadily pursuing the case of the performance of the FBI and Department of Justice in the wake of the Oklahoma City bombing.

And, surprise, surprise, the Clinton-era FBI and DoJ were found lacking, on account of not investigating the tragedy carefully enough, being in too much of a rush to execute McVeigh (a point on which I agree), on not following up on leads of people other than Tim McVeigh and Terry Nichols being involved in the bombing, including, possibly, FOREIGNERS.

Granted, something that big, conspiracy theories will inevitably follow. But, you think about the myriad 9/11 fantasies, and more so than the details of those conspiracy theories, you recall their proponents being dismissed as crackpots, and being hounded by right wing 'pundits' for daring to suggest anything other than the official line might be true. On a personal level, I go to school at the Uuniversity of Wisconsin-Madison, home of Kevin Barrett. I don’t point that out to say I agree with his ideas on 9/11; I don’t, and frankly, I haven’t found any compelling 9/11 alternative theories. It's just that the 9/11 conspiracies that have been put forward have been ridiculed (and often enough, rightly so). Then what, exactly, is Congress (and I say that because forevermore, Rohrabacher’s last gasp, "we’re losing power next week, so I better get one last blast in on the Clintons while I still can" will carry the imprint of "Congressional inquiry") doing giving official sanction to Oklahoma City tin hattery?

On one level, it puts the, "hey, there must have been some foreign involvement, no way could these two nice American white guys pulled it off all on their own, right? And even if we can't conclude that any foreign involvement was present, it must be due to lack of due diligence on the part of the FBI," concept back in the spotlight. On another level, it just points out the sheer hypocrisy of the Republican 109th Congress in refusing to investigate any of the many substantive issues generated by the Bush Administration. I was almost laughing at the gall in the quote below, in reference to the OKC investigation.

Rohrabacher's subcommittee saved its sharpest words for the Justice Department, saying officials there exhibited a mindset of thwarting congressional oversight and did not assist the investigation fully.

I mean, excuse me? Dare we expect to see any similar language from Republicans regarding Bush Administration procedures? Even if they had continued in power, I feel pretty confident that the answer would be no.

I looked at the AP piece again later in the day, and this time caught the byline, our old friend, John "Harry Reid Must Die" Solomon. Maybe that explains something, I don't know. The story's been sticking in my craw all day, and I had to get it off my chest.

Originally posted to pmukh on Mon Dec 25, 2006 at 08:38 PM PST.

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  •  I saw that AP article (0+ / 0-)

    in my local paper today as well, or at least the headline, and I skipped the story all together, knowing it had to be another administration "hit" piece.

    Of course, I do believe there were mistakes in the Oklahoma bombing, simply because I believe McVeigh did not act alone, or only with Nichols.  That is neither here nor there.

    Of course, I also believe there are serious questions concerning 9/11.  I am not totally with some of the conspiracy theorists, but I do have questions that have not adequately been answered, unless the answer is the absolute and total incompetency of our government (which still wouldn't explain why building 7 went down).

    In any event, the most serious questions I have concern how the hell we got into Iraq and how the hell we get out.  I can answer my own first question, but I can't answer the second.  As a lifelong democratic party member, I don't think my party is willing or able to answer either.

    As for investigations, let them begin...where they will lead, nowhere.  Sort of like that bipartisan Iraqi Study Group or whatever they were called...  This is not obviously what we all desire, but there is too much interplay between the two parties to lead toward any serious "investigation" results.  We need a brand new congress for that.

  •  Pure smoke and mirrors (1+ / 0-)
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    I don't buy that an  alternative expiation for the events of 9/11 is simply a conspiracy theory. I do buy that the official explanation of 911 is the biggest conspiracy theory of the lot. Come on, t reeks of a "B" grade movie script, was it Al Qaeda or  SPECTRE ...please!!!

    An evil genius with a vast mountain fortress in the foothills of Himalayas and a world wide high tech organization.... Hell, Bin Laden sounds more like Dr Fu Manchu than the head of a flea bitten Arab terrorist group. Hell no I don’t buy it or anyone trying to sell it by any means.

    The young man who has not wept is a savage, and the old man who will not laugh is a fool. George Santayana

    by Bobjack23 on Mon Dec 25, 2006 at 08:55:32 PM PST

    •  Doing nothing, is an option (0+ / 0-)

      No evil genius required.  Just inertia and deniability.

      My 2 cents, and tin foil contribution.

      The Butcher's Bill at 10:15AM, on 12/25/06 is now at 2972 of our sons, daughters, brothers, sisters killed because of Bush's lies, and incompetence.

      by boilerman10 on Mon Dec 25, 2006 at 09:03:24 PM PST

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      •  Option 3 and falling further behind every day. (0+ / 0-)

        I'm in the industry and building 7 sticks in my craw something fierce.  No plane came even close to building 7.  You can't just say, out of the blue, "pull down that multi-story building over there" and poof it happens.

        This sort of thing (with neat, contained results too) requires organized, time-intensive planning and meticulous placement of active forces (charges).

        We're not talking keystone construction where 5 guys with sledgehammers can bring a structure down in an untidy, spreading mess; we're talking a modern building that was designed not to have a single or even double point scource for failure.  To "pull it down" in the near immidiate way that seems to have happened takes advance work.  And that requires advance knowledge.

        There could well be something I've missed that would answer all my questions but in 5 years not one structural engineer that I've spoken with has been able to show it to me.

        And thats my 3 cents worth of Renolds Wrap.

        But Holy State (we have lived to learn) Endeth in Holy War. - Kipling

        by nargel on Tue Dec 26, 2006 at 12:47:42 AM PST

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  •  Soon, he is gone. (2+ / 0-)

    So, chalk up to this pubbie blowhard the very last gasp of "Oooh!  I hate that Clinton so much!" gibberish.

    Refusal to accept that OKC was a domestic job is as old as the event itself.

    Pubbies were not slow to notice that the public's first reaction was to blame Arab extremists.  The idea that this was a domestic job done by American right-wing extremists was a total surprise to many of the loudest anti-Arab voices.  These Malkin-esque bigots have always, and I mean ALWAYS claimed that Arabs HAD to have done the deed, just HAD to!  

    So, is it any surprise that a wingnut's idol like the torture loving, habeas hating, Bush war super lover Rohrabacher will try and go out smearing the Clinton administration in an effort to perpetuate the myth that McVeigh was either innocent, or that he was either working with or the patsy of the Arabs?

    Oh, and don't forget, McVeigh refused appeal of his sentence and stated he preferred to die rather than spend life in prison, I think on national TV, live.

    The Butcher's Bill at 10:15AM, on 12/25/06 is now at 2972 of our sons, daughters, brothers, sisters killed because of Bush's lies, and incompetence.

    by boilerman10 on Mon Dec 25, 2006 at 09:01:01 PM PST

  •  There are crackheads like (4+ / 0-)

    Rohrabacher and Weldon in the House, and outside Mylroie and Woolsey pushing fantastical ravings about Sadaam Hussein.

    The elevation by the media to center stage of these false-flag investigations of Rohrbacher and crazy rantings of people like Curt Weldon is desperate spin to take the real investigation off the United States support of Sadaam Hussein and Osama Bin-Laden in the 1980's by the Reagan administration.

    Reagan and GHWB should have been impeached for Iran-Contra, and their support for dictators like Somoza and Hussein. Who but Congressman Dick Cheney of Wyoming stood in defense of the Reagan administration, as the lone voice of Henry B Gonzales of Texas made the charge of criminal activity on the Floor of the House.

    History will show Gonzales was right to call for the impeachment and removal from office of the Reagan administration in 1987.

    We keep playing the same film loop over and over again, with the same results.

    'Not a Call for Impeachment'
    Simply: Truth.Justice. Reconciliation.
    If Impeachment comes by way of Justice being served, so be it.

    by shpilk on Mon Dec 25, 2006 at 10:02:21 PM PST

    •  Quite True (1+ / 0-)
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      Although, as I note, there is still a (relatively slim) possibility of something useful coming from this investigation because of institutional and operationa problems common to both OKC and 9/11, I think you've got the big picture nailed down 100%.

      The Reagan Administration support of Sadaam Hussein and collusion with Osama Bin-Laden in the 1980's, plus the illegal arming of the Contra's, and arms trading to Iran--all this and more clearly shows that Reagan and Bush, Sr. should have been impeached.  Henry Gonzales is an American hero for having been the only one in Congress to stand up and call for justice to be done.

      Even if there is a germ of truth to Rorhbacher's investigation--along the lines I have suggested--it's about three orders of magnitude less significant in the grand scheme of things so far as presidential culpability is concerned.

      •  Don't forget Ollie's cocaine for arms op. (3+ / 0-)
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        I wrote the 1st draft of Henry's impeachment resolution.

        Democratic Candidate for US Senator, Wisconsin, in 2012

        by ben masel on Mon Dec 25, 2006 at 10:56:42 PM PST

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        •  you worked for Gonzales ? (0+ / 0-)

          that seriously rocks Ben .. write diary about it.

          Some of the people at dailykos do not know of inner details of Iran/Contra. I'll wager my knowledge is incomplete, and I read voraciously during the time.

          The failure of Democrats to show leadership then is being repeated again. It's sad that with Wellstone gone, the numbers of potential voices is down to so few.

          'Not a Call for Impeachment'
          Simply: Truth.Justice. Reconciliation.
          If Impeachment comes by way of Justice being served, so be it.

          by shpilk on Tue Dec 26, 2006 at 09:39:55 AM PST

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      •  there sometimes are kernels of facts (0+ / 0-)

        even in Weldon's babbling: it's the conflation of insignificant details to outright indictments that is so over the top.

        And the inverse, that the bald crimes of Reagan/Bush were buried during a time of Democratic Congressional control is one reason I am an Independent. I give no allegiance to the lamb that lays down so easily {as it appears they are doing it, yet again. The film loop is starting over}.

        'Not a Call for Impeachment'
        Simply: Truth.Justice. Reconciliation.
        If Impeachment comes by way of Justice being served, so be it.

        by shpilk on Tue Dec 26, 2006 at 09:35:50 AM PST

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    •  Rohrabacher: Not a crackhead (2+ / 0-)
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      but my friend Aron Kay (the Pieman) claims to have sold him acid in 1970.

      Democratic Candidate for US Senator, Wisconsin, in 2012

      by ben masel on Mon Dec 25, 2006 at 11:25:46 PM PST

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      •  Things are beginning to make sense now (0+ / 0-)

        America has been on a bad acid trip for the past 35 years!

        Tell your friend he should gone to Owsley to get that diamond with the pearl. lol.

        'Not a Call for Impeachment'
        Simply: Truth.Justice. Reconciliation.
        If Impeachment comes by way of Justice being served, so be it.

        by shpilk on Tue Dec 26, 2006 at 09:31:05 AM PST

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  •  I'm from OKC; 2 guys pulled it off? C'mon (0+ / 0-)

    There is a lot of people in Oklahoma City that think that McVeigh wasn't really smart enough to pull off the bombing with only one guy's held, Terry Nichols.

    Having looked at it for eleven years now,  I think there was a middle-eastern element connecting them to McVeigh/Nichols somehow.  Maybe not a operational link, but maybe a training and support link.

    19 people have a similar ID on John Doe Number Two.  My friend was almost ran off the road by a brown Chevy Pickup truck about 20 minutes before the building blew up.  The pickup was driving frantically.  He called the FBI, but they never even interviewed him.  And the pickup turned off the interstate at an exit ramp that was about 4 blocks east of the Murrah Building.

    Stephen Jones, the attorney for McVeigh said he went to France talking to anti-terrorist gov't officials.  A high-ranking anti-terrorist detective in Paris said that if two people could pull of that big a bombing with no help there would be no buildings left in Paris.  It just isn't possible.

    The day before the bombing that took place on April 19, 2005, our counter-terrost chief has his best informant ever, someone that had NEVER been wrong, from Egypt, tell him that there would be a bombing of federal gov't property the next day.  The US Embassey's went on high alert in northern Africa and the middle east, but nothing went on high alert in the USA.  They figured it would be a US Embassy, not a domestic federal building.  How did the informant from Egypt hear about this?

    85 % of success in life is just showing up - Woody Allen, discredited stepfather and director

    by Churchill on Mon Dec 25, 2006 at 10:15:18 PM PST

    •  Nichols' wife (0+ / 0-)

      I don't know about the credibility of John Does spotted in the U.S., but there were lots of rumors about Terry Nichols' Filipino wife being linked to Abu Sayyaf Muslim insurgents in the Philippines. It was even mentioned in Richard Clarke's book.

  •  I Have To Disagree (1+ / 0-)
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    The so-called "9/11 truth movement" thinks that it represents the ultimate in radical, "outside the box" thinking.

    But in fact, by assigning blame to a small, hidden covert conspiracy, it lets the rest of the US establishment off the hook.  It excuses generations of exploitation and oppression of the people of the Middle East, as well as US support for terrorist regimes and/or terrorist insurgencies (i.e. targetting civilian populations) from South Africa to Central America to the Middle East.

    Not only do these conspiracy theorists let the establishment off the hook, they distract scarce energy and attention from focusing on the real problems of our own creation that presently confront us..  They are, in short, a de facto reactionary political force, masquerading as a progressive, even radical one.  They are, to wit, a fraud.

    OTOH, while Rohrbacher is certainly politially motivated, he is shining light on an important issue.  I have not followed it in detail, but I do know that there was credible evidence of McVeigh's contact with a white supremacist compounf up to 2 weeks before the OKC attack.  There was speculation that an infiltration operation was involved, and that the FBI was protecting it against exposure.

    This may have since been thoroughly checked out--as I said, I have not followed this.  But the problems with the official story in the OKC case did not point to some mythic, all-powerful cabal.  Rather, they pointed to the same kinds of institutional failures that have plagued the FBI and other investigative bodies since even before the FBI was formed.  This is why they have a level of credibility that the 9/11 conspiracy theories do not.

    To the extent that Rohrbacher is simply trying to lay blame on Clinton, what he's doing is mere foolishness.  But what's not foolish is the possibility of common institutional and operational failures between 9/11 and the OKC investigation--and possibly even failure to prevent it, more from incompetence than malice.

    Three principles should be kept in mind:

    (1) Re: Rohrbacher: Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.

    (2) Re: US government culpability on the micro-level:  Never ascribe to malice what is more readily explained by incompetence.

    (3) Re: US government macro-level culpability:  Systems, not men, are the real enemy.

  •  Investigators have a natural tendency (0+ / 0-)

    to try and take what they've got, and tie it in neat packages, declaring 'my work here is done."

    Democratic Candidate for US Senator, Wisconsin, in 2012

    by ben masel on Mon Dec 25, 2006 at 11:23:43 PM PST

  •  Ah, yeah...good ol' (1+ / 0-)
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    Dana "Taliban lover" Rohrabacher.

    As a speechwriter and special assistant to President Ronald Reagan, Rohrabacher played a key role in the late 1980s getting money and arms, including U.S.-made Stinger missiles, to Afghan holy warriors, then at war with the Soviet Union. He once bragged of being "certainly a major player" in a coalition inside the White House that supported anyone "opposing Communist domination around the world." In November 1988, he even visited the Afghan front lines during a five-day hike with an armed mujahideen patrol in eastern Afghanistan. Among those fighters he encountered, he later recalled, were "Saudi Arabians under a crazy commander named bin Laden." - Orange County Weekly

    I'm not going anywhere. I'm standing up, which is how one speaks in opposition in a civilized world. - Ainsley Hayes

    by jillian on Mon Dec 25, 2006 at 11:27:10 PM PST

  •  Old propaganda dies hard (2+ / 0-)
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    sounds like they are trying to bring back that neoCon fantasy piece by Laurie Mylroie blaming OKC on Saddam. You can see that they were already aching for their "New Pearl Harbor", now they're blaming Clinton for not giving it to them,  tying Janet Reno to Saddam, and providing a valid casus belli for the Iraq debacle for them to "declassify".

  •  Pirated and Re-Posted (0+ / 0-)

    to Long Beach Politics (FYI).

    I've been waiting for Dana to finish this report. Stunning that we keep electing this guy. It really is.

    He's not even particularily slick.

  •  I imagine... (0+ / 0-)

    that this is a hearing he'd been wanting a long time, but was squelched by the R leadership. now they have nothing to hold him back, so he's grabbing his chance.

    Democratic Candidate for US Senator, Wisconsin, in 2012

    by ben masel on Tue Dec 26, 2006 at 01:48:57 AM PST

  •  very convenient delay (0+ / 0-)

    mcveigh and nichols werew card-carrying talk-radio white racist republicans, and any other collaborators would also be card-carrying talk radio white racist republicans, reminding us of the true terroristic threat, historical and forward-looking, this country faces. the talk radio white racist republican congress needed to wait awhile to try this unbelievable scam, blaming anyone but themselves for being the mass-murdering terrorists they are.

  •  Now, just how many years did (0+ / 0-)

    Repugnants have to investigate this when Clinton was President?

    Impeachment - It's not just for blowjobs any more.

    by grada3784 on Tue Dec 26, 2006 at 06:25:48 AM PST

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