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Inequality is making Americans poorer - it's time to soak the rich (says the Financial Times!)

Sat Feb 11, 2006 at 09:02:05 AM PDT

Look at this graph, from the (now virulently anti-French, and thus not suspect of bias here) Economist:

France and Britain, when inequality is taken into account, are actually richer than the USA. And the FT, also nos suspect of bias, explains why:


it was not a rise of profits or other non-labour income that squeezed the middle-ranking US citizen but an increase in the share of the top 10 per cent of wage and salary earners who have captured almost half the total income gains in the past four decades. Within that, there has been a vast increase of the share of the top 1 per cent, who gained more than all of the bottom 50 per cent.
Let's go into more detail.

First, a little bit more form the FT article:


Superstars snap up American growth (Samuel Brittain, the FT's well respected senior economics columnist, Feb. 10)

US left-of-centre journals are full of calculations showing how a middle-income earner would have to work more hours today than five, 10 or even 25 years ago to obtain basic modern necessities.

The stock Republican reply has been to point to the increase in productivity and average real income in which the US has outpaced most other leading western countries. But what is true of the average is not necessarily true of the median - the person in the middle. One of the American economists whom I most trust in this dense jungle, Robert J. Gordon, estimates that real median earnings per hour have hardly increased at all in the US - not merely under the wicked George W. Bush administration but over the preceding period, 1966-2001.*

The question is: who has benefited from the trend annual increase of around 2 per cent in US output per hour? Prof Gordon shows that there has been little long-term change in labour's share in US income in the past half century.

What, then, was the source of the increased skewness of the income distribution? Prof Gordon is rightly suspicious of the conventional explanation that it has been mostly due to the pressure of skill-based technical change on the least skilled workers - the ratio of median earnings to those in the bottom 10th has hardly changed.

He concludes that it was not a rise of profits or other non-labour income that squeezed the middle-ranking US citizen but an increase in the share of the top 10 per cent of wage and salary earners who have captured almost half the total income gains in the past four decades. Within that, there has been a vast increase of the share of the top 1 per cent, who gained more than all of the bottom 50 per cent.

I went to the original sources mentioned in this article (The Polarisation of the US Labor Market, pdf) , and found some spectacular graphs, which simply have to be shown here...

In the past 30 years, there has been a steady increase in the gap between the rich (the "90") and the median (the "50"), whereas the gap between the median and the poorest (the "10"), which also increased in the 70s, has now stabilised. (you could even argue that it imporved under Clinton and got worse the rest of the time)

This graph shows that everybody did better in the last 15 years than in the 15 years before that; in both cases the rich did better, but in the last 15 years, the poor did as well as the middle classes. The problem is this:

The middle is getting thinner. Jobs have been created at both ends of the spectrum, instead of throughout. So having a poorly paying job that sees its salary increase as much as that of the middle classes is a pretty small consolation from falling from the middle classes into the lower classes.

Which brings us back to our original graph, with a more detailed version below, from the OECD original study (this page allows you to explore the study, the actual graph is here (pdf)):

I have not been able to find the exact methodology for this graph, but the OECD is a pretty serious institution, and from what I can see, it looks like they have simply taken out of the calculation of the GDP the highest x% (with various values for x depending on "inequality aversion").

What this says is that America is richer because America's rich are richer than Europe's rich. Take the very rich out, and America and Europe have pretty much the same standards of living (according to GDP numbers anyway).

As the FT's columnist points out:


In any case, we can no longer say with as much confidence as before that redistribution will achieve very little. Tony Blair, prime minister, once said that reducing the earnings of football star David Beckham was not a priority. But if Beckham's corporate equivalents now account for a substantial proportion of the national income, the matter looks different.

Does that mean another "soak the rich" campaign? One is indeed likely in the US. Republicans will not be able for ever to divert attention to religious and "moral" issues.

Thus, the conservative economics columnist of Europe's foremost business newspaper expects a "soak the rich" campaign, and indeed seems to think that it would be pretty justified. What are you guys waiting for??

You are already poorer than the French, with no free healthcare, no permanent holidays, and no pains au chocolat. What more do you need to act?!

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    •  and yes I know... (4.00 / 7)

      France has more unemployment, and slower growth, and yadayada. You know that's not the topic of this diary.
      •  Excellent diary (4.00 / 5)

        There is a book on the market here that details many similar issues called The European Dream.  The Republican propagated myth that Europe is dead/declining/economy stinks etc is just that-a delusion ripe to fall one of these days.  

        When you look at the quality of life between Europe and America, and add creeping economic parity you realize the American Dream has been dying for some time.

        We are long overdue for a soak the rich campaign as it were.  

        I'd like to see dems run on corporate welfare reform.  

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        by theKK on Sat Feb 11, 2006 at 12:01:30 PM PDT

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      •  We do too have (none / 0)

        pains au chocolat, right around the corner, unfortunately for my waistline.

        But then again, we are in NYC, might as well be Frenchies as far as Bushco's concerned.

        The only thing we have to fear is fear itself.

        by sidnora on Sat Feb 11, 2006 at 03:45:43 PM PDT

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      •  What about retraite anticipée. (none / 0)

        To what extent do you think that retraite anticipée skews the unemployment figures? For example, I will be "fired" at the end of this year and go on unemployment until my pension kicks in in 2010. Now, by any reasonable standard, I won't be unemployed, but I will be receiving unemployment insurance. I know a couple of other guys in the neighborhood who are already in the same situation or are negotiating to get there.
    •  end the tax cut (4.00 / 10)

      for the rich is a good place to start and one the rich seem to be ok with here.  Also, raise the cap on SS.  The rich don't even have to be soaked in this case.  It would fix much of the problem.  They'd still be very rich and Warren Buffet is for this solution.

      Winning without Delay.

      by ljm on Sat Feb 11, 2006 at 10:39:48 AM PDT

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    •  Graphs don't show the desparate (4.00 / 6)

      financial situation of an individual family who must decide whether to forego medical benefits in lieu of rent and food. The only statistic worth mentioning is the top 1% own 35% of the nation's wealth, the top 10% almost 75%. The bottom 40% own less than 1%. That's over 100 million people who do not even have enough to pay for the basic sustainance of life in the U.S.

      You cannot simultaneously prevent and prepare for war..... Albert Einstein,

      by tazz on Sat Feb 11, 2006 at 11:09:38 AM PDT

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      •  Wouldn't that be... (none / 0)

        ...10 million, rather than 100 million? Still, but just saying.

        Thank you, Howard Dean

        by dharmafarmer on Sat Feb 11, 2006 at 03:13:36 PM PDT

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        •  40 percent (none / 0)

          40 percent of 300 million is 120 million — if we're going to accept that having no accumulated wealth means you can't buy what you need. But of course much can be bought on credit; and the emergency room by law has to accept any serious illness that makes it in.

          If your luck holds, having nothing in America isn't necessarily all that painful. I went through years of paycheck-to-paycheck living, and know many who do that today, and many of us in such situations consider our lives to be good, and don't feel impoverished.

          Yes, it's a grand illusion. Yes, the distribution of income is theft. But if you're going to campaign on this stuff you first have to deal with a large proportion of that "100 million" who feel pretty happy with life — because happiness, it turns out, is not distributed in proportion to income.

          An international study last year showed that Mexicans — average Mexicans — rate themselves happier than those of any other nation, including the US. Politics, for most people, is about happiness, not wealth. So if you campaign on "Oh, these unhappy, poor people," most of the people you're trying to reach will think you're talking about somebody else, because most of these people, on average, are as happy as any cross-section of, say, the top 20% in income.

          Makes for quite the puzzle for political strategists. You can focus on anectdotes of poor people in crisis who've lost everything, but most other savingsless people will just shrug that off as someone else's bad luck. And bad luck does, after all, take down even the rich on occassion.

          •  Duh (none / 0)

            Silly me, seeing that 1% figure and working with it, rather than working with the 40%!  Time for some coffee here...and thank you.

            Thank you, Howard Dean

            by dharmafarmer on Sat Feb 11, 2006 at 04:09:26 PM PDT

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          •  Poverty (none / 0)

            is worse when you are old. Yes, ERs in public hospitals can serve you, but they will attach whatever social security or pension money they can get their hands on. What are you trying to say, just because you are not old but you live by pay check to pay check you don't give a shit that 10% of America own everything, but because you can live happily in poverty, poverty for 100 million people is ok? Just because Mexicans can live in a different culture that does not glorify wealth the same way we do as culture, we should feel the same way? Sounds like you should be a republican, they believe that distributing wealth past those of an elite class is wrong. Sounds like you are happy being in that 40% class of losers of the American dream.

            You cannot simultaneously prevent and prepare for war..... Albert Einstein,

            by tazz on Sat Feb 11, 2006 at 10:13:02 PM PDT

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  •  Why say "soak"? (4.00 / 12)

    The super-rich have been squeezing the life out of whoever and whatever thay can, so why call it "soaking the rich"? More like Justice. Fair share.

    Whenever I hear people talking about morals and decency and obscenity I think about the degree of economic injustice we have.

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    by LNK on Sat Feb 11, 2006 at 09:05:44 AM PDT

    •  I agree with the previous comment.... (4.00 / 3)

      WordReference.com defines the word "soak" (Slang) as "to beat; beat up; work over."

      I agree with the analysis in this diary --- it's right on --- but the title misrepresents the appropriate solution. I believe that economic policies need to become balanced for persons in different income brackets.

      Be ashamed to die until you have won some victory for humanity. Horace Mann (and btw, the bike in kayakbiker is a bicycle)

      by Kayakbiker on Sat Feb 11, 2006 at 10:27:21 AM PDT

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    •  but that's the whole point (4.00 / 3)

      Thing have become so unbalanced that "soaking the rich", however extreme it sounds, has actually become again a fair - and necessary - option.
      •  But it isn't soaking them.. (4.00 / 2)

        ...it's actually paying their fair share. Those that advocate for a flat tax rate, seem to think that someone making $10K and someone making $10M per year should 'pay their fair share' being a fixed percentage of each.

        But that's not fair in that each individual isn't receiving comparable benefits from the government to which the taxes are paid. Their first reaction will be that the $10K household will receive more benefits from the government in social service benefits, but really, it's the other way around.

        The individual earning $10M is receiving huge benefits from the government through domestic security provided by the defense department (ask an Israeli businessman if domestic security impacts earnings), trade agreements and protection of trade, federal subsidies, and so on.

        It would be reasonable to ask the $10M household to pay the same as the $10K, if they worked 1,000x harder, were 1,000x smarter, made decisions that were 1,000x better, etc. But really, the $10M household is 1,000x more successful because the government provides them with disproportionate benefits to the $10K household.

        Look at it a different way: if we didn't have the domestic security, the trade benefits, etc. who would suffer more? The $10K household or the $10M? How should that 'fair share' be considered now?

        -6.00, -7.03
        Obama '08

        by johnsonwax on Sat Feb 11, 2006 at 01:12:56 PM PDT

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        •  Opportunity surtax... (none / 0)

          I've long felt one way to accomplish 'fairness' in taxation is by virtue of some sort of 'opportunity' metric.

          Who can deny that opportunity abounds?  Being in the right place, at the right time and being free to work hard or lucky enough to receive an assist from influential friends, relatives or acquaintances surely represents OPPORTUNITY with a capital O.

          What's wrong with an opportunity equivalent to the windfall profits tax that comes along every now and then, or used to, anyway, for those who've done well?

          OTOH, I have no idea how to quantify opportunity in terms of taxation...

          danz

    •  I assume that it was the poor... (4.00 / 8)

      ...who were "soaked" in new orleans.

      "It's just like the 60's, only with less hope." -Justin Bond in the film "Shortbus" (-6.38/ -4.21)

      by wonkydonkey on Sat Feb 11, 2006 at 11:18:04 AM PDT

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  •  "The Middle is getting Thinner" (4.00 / 5)

    Have you seen us, Jerome?  :-)

    Ooooooh, you mean the middle class is getting squeezed into oblivion.  We just need to stretch (or double) that 24 hours/day thing and we'll be fine.  

     

    •  Only the wallets are thinner. (4.00 / 5)

           Only in America, obesity seems to be related to lower income.

      CHRISTIAN, n. One who believes that the New Testament is a divinely inspired book admirably suited to the spiritual needs of his neighbor. A. Bierce

      by irate on Sat Feb 11, 2006 at 10:24:39 AM PDT

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      •  "Mongo (4.00 / 2)

        only a pawn in the game of life."  
        --riffed off of your great tagline

        Only in America?  I can see that correlation not holding in 3rd world countries but is America the only developed country with this afliction?

        Stimulating your roots at Truth & Progress

        by lale on Sat Feb 11, 2006 at 10:38:35 AM PDT

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      •  That's because we (4.00 / 4)

        can't afford to eat healthy foods, only "cheap" foods which are of no dietary value.

        If the people lead, the leaders will follow.

        by Mz Kleen on Sat Feb 11, 2006 at 10:57:03 AM PDT

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        •  I wonder really, if it's really cheap (none / 1)

          to eat cheap junk food. If you want to eat McDonalds for lunch and dinner, you spend at least $ 10.00. If people would be able to buy basic food for less (potatoes, milk, and basic vegetables are not cheap in the USA, but rice still and beans still are) and people would have the time to cook from scratch, they would eat cheaper eating fully cooked food of what they can grow and harvest from scratch.

          The poor in the US in rural areas, I think - I am not very sure, but it's my best guess - because I don't see people gardening, are not pressured to plant and cook their own grown food.

          Poor people in rural areas everywhere else in the world, eat what they grow at least to a much larger percentage. In the US they don't, they get food stamps and those food stamps buy junk food. You have third world conditions among the poor, but no third world skills to survive on their own grown food. I think that's very scary.

          •  I think it's more a question of time. (none / 1)

                 Fast food is quick and easy, not healthy or nutritious. When I was growing up(1960s) it was common for a family to have a fulltime homemaker, not so now.

            CHRISTIAN, n. One who believes that the New Testament is a divinely inspired book admirably suited to the spiritual needs of his neighbor. A. Bierce

            by irate on Sat Feb 11, 2006 at 03:24:27 PM PDT

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          •  asdf (none / 0)

            Ignorance and Lack of time.

            Some of the best "chap" foods take a white to prepare, others just require some learning to master.  Breads can be made quite easy by anyone with an oven and the right pan, but takes time.  Rice and beans are great, but the best types of rice take a while to cook.

            Even if I have to eat fast food I try and eat as good as possible.  That means no burger joints, honestly I can't remember the last time I ate at those places, it's probably been a decade and only because I was on the highway.

            Things that are fast + cheap + good eats.

            Yellow rice + black beans:  Alone or with additional toppings like chicken, cheese, and or sour cream.

            Stir fry: A nice stir fry over rice is healthy and quick.

            It takes just as long to make scrambled eggs as it does to make taster pasteries, less if you are making for more than yourself.

        •  Like bread with high fructose corn syrup (4.00 / 2)

          My wife and I are both in a transition phase and have had to cut back where we can.

          We used to only buy organic pre-sliced bread, but tried to save a little by buying non-organic. Strangely, nearly all of the non-organic breads at the store have high fructose corn syrup. We finally gave up and bought the organic stuff, since it is not only organic, but does not have crap in it.

      •  That's changing in some developing nations... (4.00 / 3)

        In the Philippines, where fast-food advertising dominates the airwaves, the working poor are foregoing healthy vegetables for hamburgers and fries.
        These international "snacks" represent status and many persons who cannot afford to eat these foods are buying them. And guess what? The Philippines now has a problem with childhood obsesity. I hear that similar examples are found in other countries.

        Be ashamed to die until you have won some victory for humanity. Horace Mann (and btw, the bike in kayakbiker is a bicycle)

        by Kayakbiker on Sat Feb 11, 2006 at 12:27:12 PM PDT

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      •  That is because (4.00 / 2)

        it is cheaper to eat poorly.  Maintaining a healthy diet is pricey.  Yet go to a fast food restaurant and you can increase the amount you eat fairly cheaply.  Not only there but at the grocery store as well.

        "You have attributed conditions to villainy that simply result from stupidity"

        by newfie on Sat Feb 11, 2006 at 12:34:58 PM PDT

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      •  cheapest foods have lots of carbs (4.00 / 4)

        Go to the store and what are the cheapest foods?  Pasta and bread.  Those are cheapest by far.  You can get a loaf of italian for about a buck.  You can get three boxes of generic mac and cheese for a buck.  Ramen noodles are cheap.  All these things are condensed carbohydrates.  Pasta is a lotta carbs packed into a small package.  Bread is the same.  Potatos seem pretty cheap too.  Foods that are less calorie dense are all more exensive.  Hell, the sauce you put on the pasta is more expensive.  The poor don't have too much choice in the matter.  They can buy the cheap, carb dense foods where they can get away with spending 30 dollars on food a month or they can shell out 10 times more on healthy food.

        Fight global warming. Be a pirate.

        by Orangebeard on Sat Feb 11, 2006 at 01:18:35 PM PDT

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        •  and the cheap version of those are crap (4.00 / 2)

          Like I just posted above, cheaper non-orgainc pre-sliced white, whole wheat and  even mulit-grain bread has high fructose corn syrup. I suspect the cheaper version of all of the other starchy things above have all sort of extra junk in them too.
  •  Actually (4.00 / 8)

    We do have our pains au chocolat, but they are stale and chewy.  But they still beat a "croisandwich" (cannot make this stuff up!)

    But seriously, I see no soak the rich campaigns on the horizon.  Your FT columnist seems to assume the people of our country are inclined to act out of reason or a sense of social justice.  Does the re-election of Bush mean nothing to you guys?  We are living in bizzarro-land here.  

    Besides, how do we go about soaking the rich when we rely on them for our measly jobs so we can get measly healthcare and buy measly pasteries?  And when they also happen to be the people running the voting machines, no-fly lists, domesting spying programs and secret prisons.  The threat of not purchasing from them, not supporting their industries or not voting for their tax breaks have so far been hollow threats.  What do you suggest?  Where's our Bastille?

    "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." -Voltaire

    by poemless on Sat Feb 11, 2006 at 09:54:30 AM PDT

    •  i know (4.00 / 4)

      but it's interesting nevertheless to note this perception by smart members of the liberal elite (in the European sense, i.e. pro-freemarkets) that things have gone too far, and that an orderly retreat of sorts would be wiser than the backlash which he sees as increasingly likely.

      He does note that Republicans  cannot expect to hold things together politically with their perpetual diversions (religion, "values", etc...). Maybe he is wrong, but the point is worth flagging nevertheless.

  •  And just in case.. (4.00 / 3)

    we all decided to step around the one party state:


    Congress Attempts to Kill the "Third-Party Threat"

    On February 1, congressional Democrats, led by Rep. Obey of Wisconsin, introduced a bill, H.R. 4694, that would end viable, third-party competition in races for the U.S. House of Representatives.

    Yes, that's Democrats...

    •  The project (4.00 / 2)

      of tying up all loose ends in our new fascist state begins...

      "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." -Voltaire

      by poemless on Sat Feb 11, 2006 at 10:15:43 AM PDT

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    •  SHIT like this (none / 1)

      drives me absolutely crazy and gets me more pissed off than today's latest fascist power grab by the Mayberry Machiavellis.

      Dems could easily make parlimentary type bargains with 3rd parties to form a majority in Congress.

      That Dems refuse to do so leads me to believe that 'Vichy Dems' is not just a term of derision, but an accurate description.

      That being said, not planning for the occupation of Iraq is the 11 on my outrage meter.

      Freedom does not march. I saw an invasion. I see an occupation. I don't see a war. "Constant war is not a family value." Cindy Sheehan 8/22/05

      by ex republican on Sat Feb 11, 2006 at 12:16:59 PM PDT

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    •  FWIW (none / 0)

      thor,there's been a little 3rd party stuff at one of my fave WI papers the last few weeks- you might find interesting.

      http://www.madison.com/...

  •  How about a redistribution of wealth (none / 0)

    instead of income? I am thinking of something along the lines of Louis O. Kelso's idea of equalizing income by equalizing the ownership of productive capital, only using a private lottery to both finance the acquisition and randomly distribute the assets.

    -6.38/-3.79::'A man is incapable of comprehending any argument that interferes with his revenues.' Descartes

    by skrymir on Sat Feb 11, 2006 at 10:16:23 AM PDT

    •  I much more (4.00 / 2)

      would like to see the ideals of John Rawls, put into use as a foundation upon which we can then intergrate others such as Louis O. Kelso.
      •  Actually, I read his book, but it has (none / 1)

        nothing to do with practical, implementable economic solutions. You might want to actually read some Kelso (The Capitalist Manifesto, Two-Factor Theory) to get a sense of what his ideas are. They are revolutionary, as in having the potential to completely change society and the political economy.

        -6.38/-3.79::'A man is incapable of comprehending any argument that interferes with his revenues.' Descartes

        by skrymir on Sat Feb 11, 2006 at 05:11:05 PM PDT

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        •  Huh?! (none / 0)

          "...but it has nothing to do with practical, implementable economic solutions."

          Then you have not read John Rawls then.

          •  John Rawls' theory of justice (none / 0)

            Theories of Distributive Justice and Limitations on Taxation: What Rawls Demands from Tax Systems

            John Rawls' theory of justice, argues that the connection between taxes and justice is less specific than we might hope, and that theories of justice generally do not endorse particular tax policies, but are more likely to preclude them. Rather than searching in theories of justice for required precepts of taxation, we might more fruitfully ask what constraints, if any, a particular theory of justice imposes on the tax system. By applying this approach to Rawls' ideas about taxation, his endorsement of a flat consumption-based tax, which is quite puzzling in light of much of what Rawls wrote about economic justice, can be better understood. If we read Rawls' discussion of economic justice to offer limitations, rather than mandates, then a wide variety of tax systems may be part of a just Rawlsian society, and Rawls' first principle of justice, which concerns political rights, imposes more significant limitations on systems of taxation than does his second principle, even though the second principle explicitly concerns economic rights.

                 

            •  Tell me where he addresses wealth (none / 0)

              (capital) redistribution specifically and presents a non-generalized plan for implementing such. I don't believe he addressed this topic. Kelso has, and that is the alternative to 'income redistribution' that I proposed in my original comment.

              -6.38/-3.79::'A man is incapable of comprehending any argument that interferes with his revenues.' Descartes

              by skrymir on Sat Feb 11, 2006 at 08:24:54 PM PDT

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    •  The Estate Tax is what does this. Even in its last (4.00 / 8)

      form, which left the first $2 million alone, works. The irony is that those that oppose it the most are also the ones that bloviate about hard work and merit.
    •  Simple (4.00 / 3)

      Re-establish the inheritance tax, at 90% over $2 million, and 50% over 500K.

      $500K is the cost of the average large city house. Keep the baseline indexed on that price point, thus eliminating the "selling the family home to pay the tax" sob story.

      Tax gifts beyond, say $50K (your typical family assist on a down payment on said $500K house) at 90% as well.

      That should be enough to allow personal merit to take over from there on.

      Now how do you get buy in by the bulk of the public? Drastically reduce income taxes at the same time. You sell the policy by saying everyone should keep the vast bulk of what they earn by their own merits, but that no one has the right to coast on the merits of their grandparents.

      •  Hmm (none / 0)

        I don't quite get why we ought to tax gifts?  Stupidly rich people often give away their money to worthy causes, like an endowment to improve a public university.  Seems to me that if they're giving it away for useful causes, it makes sense to tax it less, if not at all.

        I don't really mind that we might not get 90% of a large estate because the owner gave away all but a million or two before they died.

  •  I heard an interesting story (4.00 / 10)

    this past week (sorry, I was not able to find a link) about the Danish cartoon riots, and they mentioned that Norwegians, as a ratio of income, donate the most foreign aid of any country, with the Danes second. The woman with whom they were speaking made this point: that Norwegians trust their government, as Norway has one of the smallest differences between her richest and poorest citizens, and so those in government are for the most part just like everyone else.

    I think you would be hard pressed to find an American that felt that members of Congress or the administration (and I mean ANY admin, not just Cheney/Bush) were "just like them."

  •  FDR (4.00 / 4)

    Basically did a redistribution of wealth because he knew something...without a strong middle class there is no strong economy.

    Greedy bloodsuckers have been reyinf ro mocw his policies into oblivion ever since and now they have /are succeeding.

    •  Who got the tax cuts... (4.00 / 2)

      As alluded to  today in bonddad's diary, tax cuts for the wealthy didn't appreciably stimulate the economy.

      There were the low interest rates, personal spending and the war financed from borrowing... without those, what would there be?

      How could tax revenue increase?

  •  Decline (4.00 / 5)

    My income is lower than those of my parents...and their combined income was below poverty level. I'm more highly educated, more highly skilled, and have the advantage of living in an urban area.

    As trite as it sounds, I think class is about connections and filters. People connect with people at the level they consider themselves "valuable" (mostly measured by financial networth) and filter others out. Money creates advantages that attract money upward. Once money is soaked up by a class, it circulates within that class through relationships.

    I think the publishing industry is especially instructive. Authors have to approach publishers with the promise of their own "platform" for sales - friends who will buy the book and advertise it to their own circles, media contacts, speaking circuits, and private donors. As a result, authors think of their struggle to publish as a verdict on their class position rather than a verdict on the quality of the book. This is contributing to the split between the traditional publishing industry which increasingly serves as a closed circle to circulate books among the wealthy, and the electronic publishing generation that can't afford books, so they create low-cost or free media for each other.

    •  Try writing science fiction. (none / 1)

      I've met a lot of SF authors. NOT ONE was ever in a position to provide a "platform for sales" for his or her first novel. Larry Niven happens to be independently wealthy, I hear, but that's rare. Anyway, his reading audience most certainly doesn't buy his books because he is "in their social circle."

      I also know quite a few people in the SF publishing industry. What they want to publish are good stories. If you can write stuff people will enjoy reading they don't give a hoot what class you are.

      Now, I don't know if what you're saying about the self-described "mainstream" literature is true or not. It sounds kinda like BS to me... But if it is indeed true, how pathetic! What would be the point of writing to be read only by wealthy people who weren't even buying your work for its own sake?

      Folly is fractal: the closer you look at it, the more of it there is.

      by Canadian Reader on Sat Feb 11, 2006 at 02:59:22 PM PDT

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      •  Science Fiction (none / 0)

        Science Fiction is a good place to make a start since it has an established niche, but I think the changes in the last couple of years have affected even that segment.

        My thoughts on the publishing industry come from doing some work for two different authors. Both wrote non-fiction, so my insights might be skewed by that.

  •  Populism (4.00 / 10)

    The last time there was a similar wealth imbalance in the US (1890-1920) there was a reaction from the working class: the Populist movement.

    While it didn't succeed in winning any important elections it did put the issues up front and led to the reforms started by Teddy Roosevelt.

    For some reason I haven't been able to figure out there is very little interest in wealth redistribution by those being squeezed the most this time. Thomas Frank ("What's the Matter with Kansas") explored this theme as well and didn't come up with a fully satisfactory explanation, either.

    I explore the moral and economic arguments in favor of a more equitable society here:

    Wealth Distribution

    •  I am taking a class (none / 0)

      in race, wealth, and inequality right now.  I enjoyed your essay and may refer to it in my homework assignment due on Monday.  Thank you for sharing it.  I also recommend the book, Wealth and Inequality in America by Oliver and Shapiro.  They use data from the early 1990s--the book was published in the mid-1990s.  Disparities in wealth and income are much worse now in 2006--and they were awful in the 90s.
  •  An excellent book on trends in income distribution (4.00 / 9)

    in the US since the 1990s is Luxury Fever by the "behavioral" economist Robert Frank. The basic ideas:

    1. The higher up you go in the income distribution, the greater has been the increase in income. Thus, the income of the top 10% increased more than the income of the bottom 90%, and the income of the top 1% increased more than the income of the top 10%.

    2. Once you are reasonably well off, becoming richer doesn't make you any happier. (This should be common sense, but it is an economic heresy.)

    3. The movement of wealth from the poor and the people in the middle to the very rich that has been occurring since the 1980s has been tremendously wasteful. Money that could have been spent productively—on maintaining infrastructure, for example—has been wasted on conspicuous consumption, like ever-bigger houses and "luxury" SUVs.

    4. Increases in income go to an unwinnable "arms race" of competitive conspicuous consumption: people build bigger houses to maintain their status, in response to their neigbors' building bigger houses.

    Liberalism is the origin and center of American politics. Thus, to reject liberalism is to reject America.

    by Alexander on Sat Feb 11, 2006 at 11:09:14 AM PDT

  •  Productivity hurts the worker (none / 1)

    Well in a free laissez-faire economy it does.  More productivity means you need fewer workers to produce X amount of goods.  It's like adding to the labor supply.  Fact is, technology does eliminate jobs.  There are things we can do to compensate though.  A decreased workweek, encourage earlier retirements, etc.  The poor will just end up getting poorer unless such adjustments are made.

    Fight global warming. Be a pirate.

    by Orangebeard on Sat Feb 11, 2006 at 11:13:04 AM PDT

    •  encourage retirements... (none / 1)

      so long as there is retirement security. Otherwise, the burgeoning retired will be a terrible drag on the economy as well as on individual families.

      Why don't the companies get that? Poor people can't buy their products. If the number of people with money to spare keeps contracting, who will buy those huge trucks from GM?

      Maybe this is a good thing? Fewer huge trucks, lower gasoline imports.

      Poorer seniors, earlier deaths, lower health care costs???

      Sick.

  •  There are other ways to reduce the income (4.00 / 4)

    disparity in the US between rich and poor.

    One is to raise the minimum wage to a true living wage. The first step to doing this is getting over the rhetoric that raising the minimum wage will lead to loss of low income jobs.

    Such a step WILL lead to a certain degree of inflation, so it would need to be done with care. Nevertheless, it has been done in other countries with success.

    One way to reduce the potential inflationary effects of a drastic minimum wage increase is to accompany said increase with a tax reduction to those it most affects -- employers. Increasing the wage to a living wage will reduce the number of people who need government assistance to survive, so it will lead to lower taxpayer expenditures.

    Australia has a minimum wage of $12.75 AUD per hour (that's  $9.40 USD). New Zealand has a minimum wage of $ 9.50 NZD per hour (that's $ 6.44 USD). Both countries have an overall cost of living that is LOWER than the US, so the average worker is left with considerably more wealth after basic expenses than the typical American worker.

    In New Zealand, jobless rates have actually FALLEN in recent years as the government raised the minimum wage rates. (I don't have stats on Australia, since the higher minimum wage has been in effect there for years.)

  •  Thank you for this diary (4.00 / 4)

    The Democratic Party needs to rediscover its working class roots. We need to start making a living minimuim wage, universal health care, & economic populism our central focus.
  •  here's the problem (4.00 / 5)

    when you have a rational, articulate, conservative economist with solid republican bona fides saying things like this, you'd better pay attention... we've got a full-fledged coup on our hands and making soulful posts on kos ain't gonna fix it...
    We have reached a point where the Bush administration is determined to totally eclipse the people. Bewitched by neoconservatives and lustful for power, the Bush administration and the Republican Party are aligning themselves firmly against the American people. Their first victims, of course, were the true conservatives. Having eliminated internal opposition, the Bush administration is now using blackmail obtained through illegal spying on American citizens to silence the media and the opposition party.

    [...]

    The United States is undergoing a coup against the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, civil liberties, and democracy itself.

    [...]

    The years of illegal spying have given the Bush administration power over the media and the opposition. Journalists and Democratic politicians don't want to have their adulterous affairs broadcast over television or to see their favorite online porn sites revealed in headlines in the local press with their names attached. Only people willing to risk such disclosures can stand up for the country.

    [...]

    Congress and the media have no fight in them, and neither, apparently, do the American people. Considering the feebleness of the opposition, perhaps the best strategy is for the opposition to shut up, not merely for our own safety but, more importantly, to remove any impediments to Bush administration self-destruction. The sooner the Bush administration realizes its goals of attacking Iran, Syria, and the Shia militias in Lebanon, the more likely the administration will collapse in the maelstrom before it achieves a viable police state.


    so, what IS gonna fix it...? damned if i know... but i do know this... if, god forbid, there is a serious terrorist attack on the u.s., which i strongly suspect is in the works, we will see the constitution suspended and martial law declared - all for "our own good," of course... what we need to do is get the bastards outta there FAST...! scheming and plotting for this year's election and 2008 are, sadly, at this stage of the game, only talking about rearranging deck chairs on the titanic...
  •  Canada (none / 0)

    Interesting to see where Canada would be now, with an .87 dollar rather than a .62 dollar.
    •  fyi (none / 1)

      The rise in the Canadian dollar vs the US dollar is a natural resource play.

      Right now, Canada is in the envious position of being a net exporter of natural resources and also a stable 1st world democracy. They are in the investor's sweet spot for this phase of the economic cycle.

      Freedom does not march. I saw an invasion. I see an occupation. I don't see a war. "Constant war is not a family value." Cindy Sheehan 8/22/05

      by ex republican on Sat Feb 11, 2006 at 12:24:30 PM PDT

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  •  A radical idea (4.00 / 5)

    The Congress and the President regularly get increases based on the theory that they compete with talent in the private sector. So the salaries of the President and Congress just like in the private sector make a much larger multible of the medium income than they did 30 years ago. In fact presidentual salary is going up to 400k per year.

    They also only socialize with people from the upper middle class, so they see no problem.

    We need a constitutional amendment fixing congressional base salary and presidental salary to a multible of medium income.

    It will then become in the personal interests to pursue policies that benefit the average person rather than the wealthy.

    fact does not require fiction for balance

    by mollyd on Sat Feb 11, 2006 at 11:27:13 AM PDT

    •  compare Senate salary & minimum wage (none / 0)


      Senate Salaries since 1789
      (per year unless noted)
      Year    Salary
      1925-1932    $10,000
      1932-1933    $9,000
      1933-1935    $8,500
      1935-1947    $10,000
      1947-1955    $12,500
      1955-1965    $22,500
      1965-1969    $30,000
      1969-1975    $42,500
      1975-1977    $44,600
      1977-1978    $57,500
      1979-1983    $60,662.50
      1983    $69,800
      1984    $72,600
      1985-1986    $75,100
      1987-1990    $89,500
      1990 (as of Feb. 1)    $98,400
      1991    $101,900
      1991 (as of Aug. 15)    $125,100
      1992    $129,500
      1993-1997    $133,600
      1998-1999    $136,700
      2000    $141,300
      2001    $145,100
      2002                $150,000
      2003                $154,700
      2004    $158,100
      2005                $162,100

      Federal Minimum Wage Rates, 1955-2005
           Value of the
      minimum wage

      Year    Current dollars        Constant (1996) dollars1
      1955    $0.75        $4.39
      1956    1.00    5.77
      1957    1.00    5.58
      1958    1.00    5.43
      1959    1.00    5.39
      1960    1.00    5.30
      1961    1.15    6.03
      1962    1.15    5.97
      1963    1.25    6.41
      1964    1.25    6.33
      1965    1.25    6.23
      1966    1.25    6.05
      1967    1.40    6.58
      1968    $1.60    $7.21
      1969    1.60    6.84
      1970    1.60    6.47
      1971    1.60    6.20
      1972    1.60    6.01
      1973    1.60    5.65
      1974    2.00    6.37
      1975    2.10    6.12
      1976    2.30    6.34
      1977    2.30    5.95
      1978    2.65    6.38
      1979    2.90    6.27
      1980    3.10    5.90
      1981    $3.35    $5.78
      1982    3.35    5.45
      1983    3.35    5.28
      1984    3.35    5.06
      1985    3.35    4.88
      1986    3.35    4.80
      1987    3.35    4.63
      1988    3.35    4.44
      1989    3.35    4.24
      1990    3.80    4.56
      1991    4.25    4.90
      1992    4.25    4.75
      1993    4.25    4.61
      1994    $4.25    $4.50
      1995    4.25    4.38
      1996    4.75    4.75
      1997    5.15    5.03
      1998    5.15    4.96
      1999    5.15    4.85
      2000    5.15    4.69
      2001    5.15    4.56
      2002    5.15    4.49
      2003    5.15    4.39
      2004    5.15    4.28

      fact does not require fiction for balance

      by mollyd on Sat Feb 11, 2006 at 11:55:03 AM PDT

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      •  By my calculations... (none / 0)

        ...there isn't very much disparity between them at all.

        Since 1955, Senate salary has gone up 7.2x.

        In the same time, minimum wage has gone up 6.9x.

        To bring the two in line, minimum wage should be $5.40.

        Or looking at it another way, a Senator in 1955 was paid for 30,000 minimum wage hours. Now they're being paid for 31,476 hours.

        I think the original determination of the relative value of a Senator and a minimum wage worker was a bit biased, but since then that relative value has tracked quite consistently.

        Maybe a more useful comparison would be against the poverty line.

        "That which I am writing about so tediously may be obvious to someone whose mind is less decrepit." - Ludwig Wittgenstein

        by Mad Dog Rackham on Sat Feb 11, 2006 at 01:07:40 PM PDT

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        •  I think a more useful comparison (none / 0)

          would be medium income/

          But I couldn't find the numbers.

          fact does not require fiction for balance

          by mollyd on Sat Feb 11, 2006 at 01:12:56 PM PDT

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        •  Ok, a chart (none / 0)

          This makes my point better. From 1960 until 1990 the congressional salary was around 10 times what pa person working for minimum wage 40 hours a week 52 weeks a year made. It should be limited by a constitutional amendment. It is now 15 times the amount, back to what it was in 1955.

              MW    MW x40x52

          1955    $0.75    $1560.             22500    14.42

          1960    1.00    $2080        22500    10.82

          1965    1.25    $2600        30000    11.54

          1970    1.60    $3328        42500    9.73

          1975    2.10    $4368        44600    10.21

          1980    3.10    $6448        60662    9.40

          1985    3.35    $6968        75100    10.77

          1990    3.80    $7904        89500    11.32

          1995    4.25    $8840        133600    15.11

          2000    5.15    $10712            158100    14.75

          2005    5.15    $10712    162100    15.13

          fact does not require fiction for balance

          by mollyd on Sat Feb 11, 2006 at 02:15:46 PM PDT

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      •  mollyd, hate to trample on your idea, but... (none / 0)

        Salary doesn't matter so much. Any business executive makes a comparable amount to a Senator- or more. The thing about the politicians is they often start rich- inherited money, stock, or investments, which continue to appreciate during their term in office. Some politicians could work for free, and still have a substantial income.

        This does tend to cause conflicts of interests which wouldn't be eliminated by reducing their salary. (Can anyone say "Cheney and Halliburton"?)

        The problem is you need money to get political power in the first place, so politics is invariably a profession that attracts the rich.

  •  wait..i don't understand (none / 0)

    what exactly is a "soak the rich" campaign? is that something that's good for us?

    -5.38 -4.95 - "If my doctor told me I had only six minutes to live, I wouldn't brood. I'd type a little faster." - Isaac Asimov

    by b1oody8romance7 on Sat Feb 11, 2006 at 11:58:48 AM PDT

  •  Windfall profits tax (4.00 / 2)

    We need to calculate just how much the rich have saved under Bush's tax regime (since they are the ONLY ones who have benefitted) and find a way to recapture that revenue from them in the first year or two of the next administration. That is the only way we will be able to get our widening debt load under control. It would also be eminently fair.

    "Soak the rich" is a BAD frame. "Require the rich to pay their fair share" is a better frame and more accurate as well.

    "We are the ones we have been waiting for" --Barack Obama reminding us we have to hold him accountable.

    by Jim in Chicago on Sat Feb 11, 2006 at 12:22:03 PM PDT

  •  Inequality difficult for young adults (4.00 / 3)

    see:
    linked text

    "Generation Debt is going deep into the Red"
    Young adults seen facing huge credit-card balances as income stagnates

    College loans, poor job prospects and credit cards debts have hurt the current generation.  Would like to find a way to transform that discontent into supporting progressive social policy.

    •  it would be good if those young (none / 0)

      college kids actually would be taught the real reasons of why they get ripped of and forced to go into debt that much. May be they finally would get politically aware and enlightened and not just indoctrinated.
  •  "What more do you need to act?" (4.00 / 2)

    Ah, Jerome, that IS the question.  A "soak the rich" campaign is certainly justified but I doubt any of our leaders has the courage to lead such a campaign.  The GOP would be screaming "class warfare" and pointing to all the "tax cuts" they've given the masses.  Of course those tax cuts didn't really go to those in the middle or lower but for some strange reason, even though they should be able to look at their pay stubs and know the truth, they won't face it.  Call it an America thingy.  Call it that ingrained notion in the American DNA that each individual believes they too will some day be rich......it's only a matter of time before they win the lottery.  

    And then there's that notion the GOP has embedded in the American psyche  that it is downright anti-American. evem un-patriotic, to "soak the rich".  After all, if they had to give up a bit of their "hard earned" (snark) money, the guvmint would just waste it on programs for the poor.

    So I guess what we're waiting for is a miracle from the economic Gods.  Before it's too late.

    •  Don't just blame the GOP (4.00 / 2)

      Look at all the diaries promoting Bayh, Hillary, etc... There's a ton of upscale Dems who can't see the slightest thing wrong with getting to the top on accidents of birth or connections.

      Hell, just look at the idiotic "Chelsea in 2032" comments.

      There's whole ton of Dems, especially our national elected officials who don't want to rock the boat in a meaningful way either.

    •  if everyone in america (none / 1)

      saw the documentary "enron: the smartest guys in the room" and the enron trial was actually in the news...

      and then was made aware of the fact that in 1990, the u.s. blue collar/ceo income ratio was 1:90 and now it's 1:450 and that in europe right now i think it's around 1:80-1:100...

      i think americans wouldn't be ready to just soak the rich, but they'd be ready to drown them in the fucking bathtub and take all their fucking toys.

      •  enron email (none / 0)

        People can get a taste of the day-to-day jerkism right here: http://www.enronemail.com/
        •  it makes me sick... (none / 0)

          to know that average republican voters are doing this crap everyday.

          i mean, it's not just enron. let's be real.

          this is the american way of life.

          it's "just business" afterall.

          they put on their little tie and jacket costume, go lie, cheat, and steal from 8 to 6 everyday...

          and come home, pet their wife and kiss the dog :),

          go to church...

          and it's all ok?

          fuck that. put all these white-collar shiteaters behind bars where they fucking belong and throw away the goddam key. there's no rehabilitation for that shit. you don't learn how to have morality at age 40.

          to make room we can take the countless black drug addicts out of prison and put em in rehab funded by these assholes savings accounts. put the goddam white kids on welfare for a fucking change. see how fast that shit gets cleaned up...

          america is a sick fucking place.

          excuse my french.

          •  white welfare (none / 1)

            The only reason welfare is not a white issue is because the children of the wealthy get introduced around, and they get a salary-paying job handed to them on a silver platter. Deprive them of their inside track to jobs, and I bet welfare issues will suddenly focus on "quality of life" and "health care" instead of responsibility.
  •  And blame the Press (4.00 / 5)

    All economic news in the United States is slanted toward investors. If the Stock market goes up, it leads.

    If salaries go up for workers, it is presented as an inflationary threat to investments; not as progress.

    fact does not require fiction for balance

    by mollyd on Sat Feb 11, 2006 at 01:06:49 PM PDT

    •  Yes (4.00 / 2)

      This has actually become a big part of what I write about on European Tribune (see the links near the top of the thread) - the ideological memes that are prevalent in the business press today and distort reality - and sometimes flat out lie, to make out that "reform" (i.e. lower salaries and fewer rights for workers) is the only solution, that unions are the problem, and that higher taxes and government in general are bad.

      We have to fight back, and we have to say loud that government is needed, that taxes are needed for the common good, and that fairness and long term thinking are needed.

  •  eat the rich (none / 0)

    unless you have a sensitive stomach.

    in which case i'd recommend feeding them to the pigs.

  •  Ever hear of Edward Wolff, NYU? (4.00 / 2)

    This thread is about income inequality, but nothing has changed more drastically over the past 25 years then WEALTH INEQUALITY. Here are excerpts from the quoted book by Wolff...

    Edward Wolff is a professor of economics at New York University. He is the author of Top Heavy: The Increasing Inequality of Wealth in America and What Can Be Done About It, as well as many other books and articles on economic and tax policy. He is managing editor of the Review of Income and Wealth. Part of an interview he had recently (MM=interviewer).

    "Wolff: The most common measure used, and the most understandable is: what share of total wealth is owned by the richest households, typically the top 1 percent. In the United States, in the last survey year, 1998, the richest 1 percent of households owned 38 percent of all wealth. This is the most easily understood measure.

    There is also another measure called the Gini coefficient. It measures the concentration of wealth at different percentile levels, and does an overall computation. It is an index that goes from zero to one, one being the most unequal. Wealth inequality in the United States has a Gini coefficient of .82, which is pretty close to the maximum level of inequality you can have.

    MM: What have been the trends of wealth inequality over the last 25 years?

    EW: We have had a fairly sharp increase in wealth inequality dating back to 1975 or 1976.

    Prior to that, there was a protracted period when wealth inequality fell in this country, going back almost to 1929. So you have this fairly continuous downward trend from 1929, which of course was the peak of the stock market before it crashed, until just about the mid-1970s. Since then, things have really turned around, and the level of wealth inequality today is almost double what it was in the mid-1970s.

    Income inequality has also risen. Most people date this rise to the early 1970s, but it hasn't gone up nearly as dramatically as wealth inequality.

    MM: What portion of the wealth is owned by the upper groups?

    EW: The top 5 percent own more than half of all wealth. In 1998, they owned 59 percent of all wealth. Or to put it another way, the top 5 percent had more wealth than the remaining 95 percent of the population, collectively.

    The top 20 percent owns over 80 percent of all wealth. In 1998, it owned 83 percent of all wealth.

    This is a very concentrated distribution.

    MM: Where does that leave the bottom tiers?

    Wolff: The bottom 20 percent basically have zero wealth. They either have no assets, or their debt equals or exceeds their assets. The bottom 20 percent has typically accumulated no savings.

    A household in the middle -- the median household -- has wealth of about $62,000. $62,000 is not insignificant, but if you consider that the top 1 percent of households' average wealth is $12.5 million, you can see what a difference there is in the distribution.

    MM: What kind of distribution of wealth is there for the different asset components?

    EW: Things are even more concentrated if you exclude owner-occupied housing. It is nice to own a house and it provides all kinds of benefits, but it is not very liquid. You can't really dispose of it, because you need some place to live.

    The top 1 percent of families hold half of all non-home wealth. The middle class's major assets are their home, liquid assets like checking and savings accounts, CDs and money market funds, and pension accounts. For the average f