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Muslim Cartoon Controversy: What the Media Isn't Telling You

Sun Feb 05, 2006 at 10:01:49 AM PDT

I had a friend over today who lives out of town and we switched on the traditional news media television and saw what most of you have probably seen - angry rioters protesting, burning flags and attacking various Danish embassies around the world.

Despite the spectaculor footage and a bevy of experts "weighing in" on the issue, I did not one single mention of what's actually going on.  And so therefore, by my duty as a citizen journalist, I will now share it with all of you.

The issue has been framed by the traditional media as "Free Expression/Speech" in contrast with "Sensitivity to Religion".  Do newspapers in democratic societies have the right to publish offensive images?  Well that's something definitely worth debating, but it's overlooking an important step.

12 cartoons were published in the Danish newspaper Morgenavisen Jyllands-Posten, which you can see here.  Some were very bland, others seem to be unquestionably offensive.  Yet these cartons were published on September 30, 2005.  What the traditional media has failed to explain is why the protests are occuring now.

But before we explain that, it's time to address a few other issues.  The first issue is whether or not it is inflammatory or offensive to Islam to depict the Prophet Mohammed (PBUH) at all.  Traditionally, the answer is the Qur'an (the Muslim equivalent to the Christian Bible) does not forbid it, it only forbids "idolatry", which would imply worshipping a statue or other representation of Mohammed (PBUH).  The Hadith, which has no equivalent in Christianity but is equivalent to Judaism's Talmud, and is somewhat of a secondary literary source of the Muslim faith, prohibits any pictures or drawings of sacred figures, including Mohammed (PBUH).  That being said, in practical terms, it occurs quite regularly.

There are images similar to Orthodox Christian ikons that are commonplace in Shi'ite communities, especially in Iran.  There are also Muslim works of art depicting Mohammed (PBUH) in Central Asia, and neither these nor those in Iran are considered inflammatory and neither are they censored.

There are a number of depictions of Mohammed (PBUH), some in very unflattering situations, in Christian churches in Europe, especially Italy.  The famous book/poem "Inferno" by Dante makes a very unflattering reference to Mohammed (PBUH) and there are several pieces of artwork depicting Dante's descriptions.

There have been several derogatory or potentially inflammatory usages of Mohammed (PBUH) in American entertainment vehicles, perhaps the most famous being South Park.  And last but not least, there is an actual sculpture of Mohammed (PBUH) on the Supreme Court building in Washington, DC.

The point I'm trying to make here is that Mohammed (PBUH) has been depicted, painted or made appearances in animated cartoons on many, many occasions and yet there's been no rioting, storming of embassies and CNN coverage.  The question becomes, not why were the Danish cartoons offensive or inappropriate, but why is there such a strong reaction now?

Denmark has a long history of multi-cultural tolerance, including their famous solidarity stand with Jewish citizens during World War 2.  The newspaper Jyllands-Posten itself was surprised by the strong reaction to their cartoons and even apologized publically for any offense they may have caused.  And for 2 months, there was hardly a peep from any Muslim group outside a small protest in Denmark itself and somewhat larger protests in Pakistan.

So what triggered this?  Well it takes a blog to explain it.  What CNN and the other traditional media failed to tell you is that the thousand gallons of fuel added to the fire of outrage came from none other than our old pals Saudi Arabia.

While it was a minor side story in the western press, the most important of Muslim religious festivals recently took place in Saudi Arabia - called the Hajj.  Every able-bodied Muslim is obligated to make a pilgrimage once in their lifetime to Mecca, which is in modern-day Saudi Arabia.  This pilgrimage can be done at any time of the year but most pilgrims arrive during the Muslim month known as Dhu al-Hijjah, which follows a lunar calendar that does not exactly match the western Gregorian calendar.

The most recent Hajj occurred during the first half of January 2006, precisely when the "outrage" over the Danish cartoons began in earnest.  There were a number of stampedes, called "tragedies" in the press, during the Hajj which killed several hundred pilgrims.  I say "tragedies" in quotation marks because there have been similar "tragedies" during the Hajj and each time, the Saudi government promises to improve security and facilitation of movement to avoid these.  Over 251 pilgrims were killed during the 2004 Hajj alone in the same area as the one that killed 350 pilgrims in 2006.  These were not unavoidable accidents, they were the results of poor planning by the Saudi government.

And while the deaths of these pilgrims was a mere blip on the traditional western media's radar, it was a huge story in the Muslim world.  Most of the pilgrims who were killed came from poorer countries such as Pakistan, where the Hajj is a very big story.  Even the most objective news stories were suddenly casting Saudi Arabia in a very bad light and they decided to do something about it.

Their plan was to go on a major offensive against the Danish cartoons.  The 350 pilgrims were killed on January 12 and soon after, Saudi newspapers (which are all controlled by the state) began running up to 4 articles per day condemning the Danish cartoons.  The Saudi government asked for a formal apology from Denmark.  When that was not forthcoming, they began calling for world-wide protests.  After two weeks of this, the Libyans decided to close their embassy in Denmark.  Then there was an attack on the Danish embassy in Indonesia.  And that was followed by attacks on the embassies in Syria and then Lebanon.

Many European papers, including the right-wing German Springer media group, fanned the flames by reprinting the cartoons.  And now you have the situation we are in today, with lots of video footage of angry crowds and the storming of embassies and calls for boycotts of Danish and European products.

Saudi Arabia's influence on the Sunni Muslim world is incalculable.  The sermons from high-ranking Muslim clerics are read and studied by Muslims around the world, who in turn give sermons to their local congregations.  While the Saudis do not have direct control of the world's Sunni flocks, their influence is similar somewhat to the Pope's pronouncements and the sermons that Catholic priests give to their flocks the following Sundays.  Saudi Arabia also finances a number of Muslim "study centers", where all the literature and material is provided by the Saudi government, filled with hatred for Jews and other extremely racist material.  For them to promote an idea based on religion, including "outrage" at some cartoons published months earlier, is standard operating procedure.

Of course there is more than Saudi Arabia's hand at play here.  The issue has metamorphed from religious outrage at a dozen cartoons to a clash of those who feel they are oppressed and downtrodded by the Christian world and those they consider their oppressors.  That's why there was anti-Christian rioting in Lebanon, where the two religious groups have a long and tumultous co-existance.

As I sat there watching CNN (International) with my friend today, I could not help but note the number of Saudi flags that the various rioters were waving in Lebanon and Syria.  Coincidence? I think not.  Look for yourself - they are green with a large expanse of Arabic writing in white above a sword.

Lebanon (Reuters)

This is cross-posted from Flogging the Simian

Peace

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  •  Thank you (4.00 / 5)

    As usual, you provide a new and thoughtful perspective.
    •  Thanks Soj (4.00 / 4)

      Thanks for the additional info, Soj. How do you link this with the story that the Danish muslims went for a tour in the Middle East with 3 extra (and extremely offensive) cartoons?
      •  First thing I thought of: (4.00 / 6)

        Did they hire Rove?

        Has he a Saudi clone?

        •  right on (4.00 / 2)

          if only people across the Middle East could see beyond the propaganda and evil influence of the ruling family of Saudi Arabia and people here could see beyond the propaganda and evil influence of our ruling family - the Bush family and its extraordinary crime apparatus - well...maybe we ALL might have a fighting chance. we need unity among humanity first!

          i think they're attacking me cause i'm awesome. how's that??

          by missreporter on Sun Feb 05, 2006 at 12:02:01 PM PDT

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          •  The huge irony... (none / 0)

            is that Osama bin Laden's number #1 target is the Saudi regime and it's overthrow and the death of the Saudi royal family. Of course, not like he'd be any better, but at least we wouldn't be fooling ourselves what's really going on.

            Is there any evidence that countries like Syria are purposely fanning the flames to detract attention away from their own repressive regimes? That's what the US is claiming (and reallly, it wouldn't surprise me if it were true-- of course they will be careful not to implicate the Saudis).

            One of the things that really makes me mad is that the Saudi's continue to fund these harsh religious schools around the world (mostly in Pakistan) that helped create soldiers for al Qaeda, the Taliban, etc. and we don't seem to be doing a damn thing about it.

            "[Republicans] swapped principle for power. They ended up with neither. They deserved to lose." --Alan Greenspan

            by lanshark on Sun Feb 05, 2006 at 02:27:44 PM PDT

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        •  Getting France in on this... (none / 0)

          so that they will be happy to join the next coalition.

          How did the French paper(s) decide to republish the cartoons?

      •  In the context you so well provide, (4.00 / 6)

        this becomes an entirely different story, one of shameful manipulation and dishonesty.

        Still, at the forefront of all this is ancient and--in my understanding--very foolish superstition.  And even more directly at work is the spectacularly irrational idea that someone else's actions or beliefs can in any way taint or harm the honor or validity of one's own.

        These outraged Muslims who think cartoons can diminish their prophet should be locked into a room with outraged Christians who think gay marriage makes their own vows less sacred.

        Then, every time one of them claims to be the least bit different from the other, a turd should drop from his lips.  When both groups are up to their necks in shite, they can either give up, or kill themselves together in a very appropriate fashion.

        It's exactly what they're doing now anyway.

        Consider the end, and resist the beginning.

        by thalio on Sun Feb 05, 2006 at 10:59:28 AM PDT

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        •  Where are the outraged Christians (none / 1)

          rioting in the streets, burning offices of the ACLU and calling for the death of their opponents?   Let's be reality-based.
          •  THey have bombed (4.00 / 2)

            plenty of Abortion Clinics, Planned Parenthood, etc.
          •  some went beyond words......... (none / 1)

            remember:
            Timothy McVeigh was not an extreme supporter of Carl Sagan <g>

            "I have sworn upon the altar of God, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man." --Thomas Jefferson

            by penncove on Sun Feb 05, 2006 at 12:43:43 PM PDT

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          •  that some Christians would deny (3.83 / 6)

            the legal protections of marriage from gay couples (because it offends their ideas about holy laws), that they would deny the rights of women to make decisions about their pregnancies (because it offends their mystical beliefs about the nature of souls), that they would poison the minds of children with false ideas about the natural sciences (because is offends their belief in the literal truth of their holy texts)--this is more and farther reaching damage than any number of burning cars.

            Christian fanatics do more than enough harm to warrant the comparison to Muslim fanatics.  And they're already running our government.

            Consider the end, and resist the beginning.

            by thalio on Sun Feb 05, 2006 at 01:26:22 PM PDT

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      •  hmmm (4.00 / 18)

        I read the link and even went over to Sullivan's blog.  It seems that the fake cartoons were distributed or propagandized in the latter half of January, when this controversy was already in full tilt.

        I'm curious to see who finances this very small group which does not even represent the majority of Muslims in Denmark.

        Pax

        Night and day you can find me Flogging the Simian

        by Soj on Sun Feb 05, 2006 at 11:00:16 AM PDT

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        •  I'm curious to see how short (4.00 / 4)

          the link is from them to Carlyle.

          (0+ / 0-), (0+ / 0-), it's off to kos I go...

          by doorguy on Sun Feb 05, 2006 at 11:18:34 AM PDT

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        •  hmmm back at ya! (none / 1)

          The controversy has really surfaced (beyond local news) in the past week or so, so it may still be relevant.

          But we have more questions than answers at this point.

          •  To win the frame (4.00 / 2)

            don't we need a call
            to stop violence.
            stop the promotion of hate.

            I see this in a crazy way, as another
            attack on the media, by the right.
            The hardliners here.
            The hardliners in Saudi Arabia.

            And they are going to be busy attacking the NYT regarding the NSA spying program.

            Overthrow the Government ~Vote~

            by missliberties on Sun Feb 05, 2006 at 11:25:35 AM PDT

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            •  missliberties, if you watch cspan video (none / 1)

              of World Wide Threat Assessment hearing, Sen Pat Roberts, Chair of the Intelligence Committee, begins the meeting thusly:

              Senate Intelligence Committee Annual Hearing
              Pat Roberts cracks gavel, declares, "That is a signal for members of the fourth estate to return to their rightful place, wherever that may be."

              The young stepford aide behind him, who had a dazed, when will it be over look on his face, perks up, sits up, grinning.  Like he knew the line but didn't think he'd get to hear it.  Triumph, was how it looked to me.

              As I've said a few times in comments and it never seems to connect, this NSA story is a gift that I think the adminstration gave itself.  The footage of the crazy Muslims is icing on the cake.  

              Karen Hughes, you go girl!

              "Yes dear. Conspiracy theories really do come true." (tuck, tuck)

              by tribalecho on Sun Feb 05, 2006 at 11:56:38 AM PDT

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        •  YOUR SOURCE IS A SATIRICAL SITE! (4.00 / 7)

          You base this entire theory on an explanation from one blog.  Here's the latest entry on that blog:

          Sooner or later someone is going to ask exactly what they are. Rather than change the subject at that time, I would rather take the initiative now and put pressure on the US. Therefore I would change my recommendation from my previous Memo. Rather than go after Belgium, I propose that we put them on "hold", and instead "suddenly discover" the blasphemous "South Park" "Super Best Friends" episode. Can I have Your Majesty's approval for this course of action?

          Attached is a shot from South Park.

          Don't you feel the need to point out that you're presenting a source as sincere when in fact it's satire?  Or did you just not understand the satire?

          Sheesh!

          The revolution will not be televised, but we'll analyze it to death at The Next Hurrah.

          by DHinMI on Sun Feb 05, 2006 at 12:15:17 PM PDT

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          •  Bush Creates Cabinet Position for Scandals (none / 1)

            The revolution will not be televised, but we'll analyze it to death at The Next Hurrah.

            by DHinMI on Sun Feb 05, 2006 at 12:28:58 PM PDT

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            •  You're brilliant (none / 0)

              And this blog has descended into absurdity.

              When the camel stumbles, the knives come out. (Arab proverb)

              by Ptah the Great on Sun Feb 05, 2006 at 12:34:17 PM PDT

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              •  I'm Not Brilliant (none / 0)

                I simply followed the link, and it's obvious the site is satire.  Anyone could have done so.

                And I followed the link because this diarist often makes unsupportable interpretations of data and text and quite often uses extremely dubious sources.  But this case has to be one of the worst I've seen at Daily Kos.

                Anyone who has recommended this diary should, in my opinion, unrecommend.  This is pure speculation presented as fact, and it makes us look like a bunch of rubes for elevating dishonest stuff like this to the top of the recommended list.

                To me, duplicitious (or maybe just grossly inept?) use of sources like this is almost as bad as outright plagarism, and it shouldn't have a place at Daily Kos.

                The revolution will not be televised, but we'll analyze it to death at The Next Hurrah.

                by DHinMI on Sun Feb 05, 2006 at 12:40:27 PM PDT

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                •  i totally agree (none / 0)

                  details such as "running up to 4 articles per day condemning the Danish cartoons" come from a fake memo from the Saudi press secretary to the king.

                  Even all the information about depictions of Mohammed across the world come from the same post on Religious Policeman.

                  i think they're attacking me cause i'm awesome. how's that??

                  by missreporter on Sun Feb 05, 2006 at 01:13:40 PM PDT

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                  •  Now it's relevant (none / 0)

                    that those two things -- the number of articles in the government-controlled press, and the stuff about other depictions of Mohammed -- can be factually verified, and the fact that they appear in the context of satire only slightly undermines them.

                    This is going to sound totally lame, but just cause it's satire doesn't mean it's wrong.  It means it's unverified, and it means there's been no serious argument made that would justify serious belief.

                    There's enough in there to legitimately pique casual interest.  That bit of satire suggests an interesting way of arranging the puzzle pieces.  It is true?  That takes a totally different kind of investigation.

                    •  Sure, Absolutely True (none / 0)

                      The theory is plausible.  The satire contains some resemblance to what we might regard as a possible truth.  But in this diary the satire isn't presented as a frutiful direction for speculation, it's presented as a evidence.  As such, it's either really damn stupid, or a profound breech in intellectual honesty.

                      The revolution will not be televised, but we'll analyze it to death at The Next Hurrah.

                      by DHinMI on Sun Feb 05, 2006 at 01:33:59 PM PDT

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                      •  Yeah, as I said a little bit downthread (none / 0)

                        in a kindof out-of-the-way location, Soj should definitely have labelled all of this as interesting speculation.  A reread of his post shows that he definitely did not.  That sucks.  And it is bad for dKos standards, such as they are.

                        As I said down below, you're right here.

                        I'd go for the "really damn stupid" option, but I have no real familiarity with Soj's posting history, and you said upthread that you do.  Maybe it was just willfully leaving out the fact that it's satire so that the claim and the diary become more powerful.

                        Anyway, good on ya for catching it.  I'm reading downthread now to see what everyone else is saying.

                    •  I would be interested (none / 0)

                      in seeing some other source material that the satire was based on, something that discusses Saudi Arabia launching a press offensive. Fine, I accept it, in fact I wholeheartedly believe that is probably the case, but show me the evidence. This source is hardly evidence, hence it renders the diary worthless.

                      i think they're attacking me cause i'm awesome. how's that??

                      by missreporter on Sun Feb 05, 2006 at 01:38:31 PM PDT

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                    •  The other issue with me is (none / 0)

                      that Soj wrote the diary in a way so that, I thought at least, it appeared she perfomed much of the research, like where depictions of Mohammed appear. I know I am not alone because others have said things like "great research," etc.

                      Very troubling, because Soj is a great writer and I value her perspective, but unfortunately this casts a bad light now on all her previous writing. I never raised my eyebrows about it before but apparently DH inMI has.

                      i think they're attacking me cause i'm awesome. how's that??

                      by missreporter on Sun Feb 05, 2006 at 01:47:40 PM PDT

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                    •  let me also add (none / 0)

                      that i don't know what is going on. maybe Soj thought it was real - I admit I have been easily fooled before and satire can be tricky. And for all I know Soj could have written the satirical piece and done all the research it contains.

                      I just don't know.

                      i think they're attacking me cause i'm awesome. how's that??

                      by missreporter on Sun Feb 05, 2006 at 01:49:58 PM PDT

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                •  Um, you ought to read a little futher... (4.00 / 4)

                  This article is clearly not satire, but analysis.

                  If you read some of the other articles, you'll see that the "memos" (as well as the Muslim Offense Level, still at Condition Orange: Highly Offended) are satire, but other posts, describing the timeline of the Saudi reaction, describe the events in a non-satirical fashion.

          •  Hm. Yeah, you win. (none / 0)

            Satire can still present the semi-serious idea that the Saudis created this story for their own purposes.  But it offers absolutely no evidence for that, and Soj's writing treats it as if it does.

            The guy in me who can't figure out what drives the press, and who had already wondered about the odd fact that the cartoons were published months ago, really wants to believe this story.  But Soj's writing should at least have labelled itself as speculative.

          •  skepticism rocks and... (none / 0)

            I have to admit, this is funny. If I had to guess I would say the Religious Policemen is inspired by Ali G.  You gotta hand it to him today--his "I am a Saudi" satire made it to #1 on the recommended list on the left's #1 blog site.  

            I will say it here even if DHinMI won't:

            If your name is on that recommended list, let me be the first to snark: YOU ARE SO LAME!  

          •  Religious Policeman is not really satire, (4.00 / 3)

            it is more a fraud to whip up hatred about the "islamofascists" by a blogger who poses as a Saudi but - according to real Saudi bloggers - doesn't even know Arabic and has to rely on MEMRI for his news about Saudi Arabia.  He also posts as himself and as "Sol Rosenblum" at LGF.

            This link and the comments attached to it give details.

            He is probably some Cheeto stained lizard minion blogging in his mom's basement, and hysterical with laughter over how easy it is whip up those so-called liberal, progressive "Moonbats at DKos" into a frenzy over the Islamofascists.

            I cannot believe this has been diaried as a true story.  

          •  Okay DH (4.00 / 5)

            I did some poking around, here's what I've come up with.

            The number of people killed in Hajj pilgrimages checks out, as this Times Online UK article reveals, Hundreds die in crush at haj stoning ceremony.

            Now, the demand for apology also urges peaceful protest:

            OIC Demands Unqualified Danish Apology, JEDDAH, 29 January 2006
            [...]
            "There are no two opinions about respecting freedom of expression... Muslims have no problem in accepting the right of the electronic and print media to exercise their freedoms without any let or hindrance," Ihsanoglu said.

            "Muslims strongly support exercising freedom of conscience as one of the principles that is completely in consonance with the Western concept of freedom of expression. However, it has to be exercised by taking into account respect for the values of those with whom one may disagree. Superimposing the right to revile other religions and prophets goes against the essence of freedom of expression, as no democracy, legal or political system allows the preaching of hate and insult for the sacred values and symbols of others."

            The OIC chief appealed to Muslims to stay calm. "We ask members of the Islamic nation to express their opinions in a civilized and peaceful manner and not to fall into mistakes that are unworthy of the Prophet (pbuh)," he added.

            However, Arab News editors have stoked the fires of passion and obliquely threatened violence against Danish troops in Iraq:

            For the editors of Saudi Arabia's Arab News Juste's statement wasn't enough. The paper's lead editorial today argues that his apology "is unlikely to take the sting out of the situation or ease the hurt and resentment that millions of Muslims feel." Arab News adds: "The depictions of the Prophet as a terrorist were clearly intended to offend. How could they do otherwise?...There are many things which are legal, but that does not make them right. Worse, [Juste] says he still does not regret publishing the cartoons. Does he not regret doing something that has done immense damage to Danish-Muslim relations?...That has probably put Danish troops in Iraq at unique risk from Al-Qaeda?"
            Source: SF Gate's rundown of the "cartoon controversy"

            A current sample of "cartoon cointroversy" sentiment found on the pages of Arab News:

            Home Page, Arab News: Sunday, 5, February, 2006 (06, Muharram, 1427)

            Hate Speech in the Guise of Freedom of Expression
            Dr. Khaled Batarfi, kbatarfi@al-madina.com
            "Freedom of expression is important, but so is respect for other people." This was the opinion of Danish Vice Prime Minister Bendt Bendtsen in an interview with daily Jyllands-Posten about the paper's...  

            Republishing Cartoons Is Stupid and Offensive
            Rasheed Abou-Alsamh, Arab News
            The republication of the cartoons that depict Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) in an offensive manner this week by several European newspapers, out of so-called solidarity with the Danish paper...  

            `Something Is Rotten in the State of Denmark'
            Tarek Mishkhas, Arab News
            Danish ministers say the government can't condemn the cartoons a daily published mocking the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him), and that freedom of speech is guaranteed for all and that freedom...

            And lastly, an Advanced search of Arab News, using "cartoon" as query, from 26 Dec 2005 to 5 Feb 2006 yields the following results:

            World
            Sunday, 5, February, 2006    
            Abbas, Hamas Agree to Convene Parliament
            Agencies

            World
            Sunday, 5, February, 2006    
            Merkel Likens Ahmadinejad to Adolf Hitler
            Agencies

            Opinion
            Sunday, 5, February, 2006    
            `Something Is Rotten in the State of Denmark'
            Tarek Mishkhas, Arab News

            Opinion
            Sunday, 5, February, 2006    
            Malaysia: Coexistence of Islam and Secularism
            Mary Dejevsky, The Independent

            Opinion
            Sunday, 5, February, 2006    
            Republishing Cartoons Is Stupid and Offensive
            Rasheed Abou-Alsamh, Arab News

            World
            Sunday, 5, February, 2006    
            Embassies Torched in Damascus
            Agencies

            Review
            Saturday, 4, February, 2006    
            Ali Farzat Drawings Still Light the Way
            Lulwa Shalhoub | Arab News

            Kingdom
            Saturday, 4, February, 2006    
            Lawyers Vow Legal Action in Cartoons Row
            P.K. Abdul Ghafour & Abdul Maqsood Mirza, Arab News

            Kingdom
            Saturday, 4, February, 2006    
            `Cartoons Infused Muslims With a Spirit of Defiance'
            Arab News

            Features
            Friday, 3, February, 2006    
            Something Out of Danish Character
            Muhammad M. Al-Harbi, harbimmm@gmail.com

            Opinion
            Friday, 3, February, 2006    
            The Power of the Muslim and Arab Worlds
            Ray Hanania, Arab News

            World
            Friday, 3, February, 2006    
            More Papers Reprint Cartoons
            Agencies

            Kingdom
            Friday, 3, February, 2006    
            SADAFCO Says It Has No Danish Connection
            K.S. Ramkumar, Arab News

            World
            Friday, 3, February, 2006    
            Palestinians Protest Offensive Cartoons
            Agencies

            Kingdom
            Thursday, 2, February, 2006    
            Danish Imam: Controversy Opens Important Debate
            Hasan Hatrash, Arab News

            Kingdom
            Thursday, 2, February, 2006    
            Winner in Danish Boycott: Newspapers
            Hasan Hatrash, Arab News

            Kingdom
            Thursday, 2, February, 2006    
            Naif Raps West on N-Policy
            P.K. Abdul Ghafour, Arab News

            World
            Thursday, 2, February, 2006    
            French and German Papers Reprint Danish Cartoons
            Tom Heneghan, Reuters

            Opinion
            Wednesday, 1, February, 2006    
            Muslims Deserve the Same Respect as Christians or Jews
            Edgar M. Bronfman, Arab News

            Kingdom
            Wednesday, 1, February, 2006    
            Boycott Not by Government, Says Saud
            Raid Qusti, Arab News

            I think Soj's read on this (assuming he researched claims made by the blog in question)  holds up pretty well. At any rate, I think it's abundantly clear that these drawings are being used for maximum benefit by Saudi Arabia and other highly biased organizations and governments around the world.

            Time flies, whether you're having fun or not.

            by Kimberley on Sun Feb 05, 2006 at 03:54:35 PM PDT

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      •  Now it makes much better sense. (none / 0)

        The dawn begins to break.

        The goad was the Saudis.

        Thank you Soj!!!!!  Thank you Jerome!!!

        Today, 7/23/08, 4125 Americans, and untold Iraqis are dead, tens of thousands more maimed. Bush lied, how soon before your family pays the price for that?

        by boilerman10 on Sun Feb 05, 2006 at 02:08:39 PM PDT

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    •  One correction (none / 0)

      The Hajj can only be performed once a year--it is based on the lunar calendar...
      There are other rituals that can be performed all year round, but they are not Hajj.

      Fla will be blue...

      by skywalker on Sun Feb 05, 2006 at 03:01:44 PM PDT

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  •  Interesting (none / 1)

    It's a shame that given the volume of reporting on events like this here 'in the bubble', theres very little depth to that reporting.  Then people draw what they think are obvious conclusions based on limited & twisted reporting.. ugh.  Thanks for sharing with us.
    •  Yeah, you gotta look (none / 1)

      outside the Bubble: Danish cartoon outrage
      Culture Editor Flemming Rose commissioned the controversial cartoons for his newspaper, claiming he didn't mean to offend anyone.

      Earlier, we [Channel 4] spoke to him from Copenhagen and put it to him, it must have been pretty obvious from the outset that these cartoons were going to cause offence .

      •  some of the cartoons were (3.66 / 3)

        offensive.  some a bit vague & some i couldn't translate.

        however, as Soj stated, there's a hyprocrisy by the Saudis who are using someting inflammatory to distract the public from the big story.

        you know:

        1. Talk about the authenticity of the memos instead of a President going AWOL.

        2. Scream about the queers so as to distract the public from the budget deficit & a war.

        shall we go on?

        i am angry at the Saudis & the Bushis (no wonder they're such good friends) BUT WHY BLAME THEM?

        if you were a tyrant who could distract people from your own incompetence & corruption, WHY WOULDN'T YOU?

        this is entirely the result of EXTREMELY poor programming by the "news" agencies.  in the US again, we have seen a complete lack of good reporting & it's allowed corrupt officials & lies to control the public.

          •  offensive (none / 0)

            let me qualify that.  i'm actually pretty irreverant & wouldn't be offended by any of the cartoons.

            i love south park, drawn together, etc...

            & i think if done well, these "paradoies" can really expose the hypocrisies & inadequacies of a group & make those groups better.

            that being said, i can understand why a group of people could be offended by them (South Park) & we need to be aware of that so as to be certain that we are in fact "making a joke or point" & not simply being offensive.

            it's not a perfect science.  it's art after all.  & so you push the limits at times.  you provoke & hope that you've created something meaningful instead of simply racist.

            the only one that i could find really offensive was the one with a bomb on his head & even that could be explained - say, it was symbolic of the middle east being a ticking bomb or something, not a statement that muslims are terrorists.

            so i'll take back the "offensive" word & apologize for that.  it is POTENTIALLY offensive but I don't know for sure.

            i was trying to reply to the above post & saying that offensive or not, these cartoons are not the issue but rather distractions from the real issue.

            & it looks like i did that poorly.

            let's say some of the images are edgy & the paper should've consulted a member of that group just to smart.

      •  one man's gawd (4.00 / 5)

        is another man's target practice.
        The 1st thing I thought of when this story broke of Muslim outrage was of the fundy Taliban blasting the two massive Bamiyan Buddhas, carved into a sandstone cliff near the provincial capital in central Afghanistan all to shit

        "imagine no religion..."

  •  Thank you for this tremendously insightful (4.00 / 6)

    explanation.  It helps knowing that the Saudis are playing a role in this to deflect attention from their own neglect.
  •  What Are the Saudi's after? (none / 0)

      What are they trying to tell the American politicians.

    Overthrow the Government ~Vote~

    by missliberties on Sun Feb 05, 2006 at 10:13:54 AM PDT

  •  I went googling to find a picture (none / 1)

    of the supreme Court depiction of Mohammed you mentioned in this excellent diary. I found, interestingly, an article from 1997 on Indian Moslems rioting about the Supreme Court statue.

    (0+ / 0-), (0+ / 0-), it's off to kos I go...

    by doorguy on Sun Feb 05, 2006 at 10:18:22 AM PDT

    •  Interesting that the rioting was in Kashmir... (none / 1)

      ...where Moslems are a majority of the state's population and the incorporation of Kashmir into India rather than Pakistan remains bitterly contested.  Perhaps here, too, the underlying issue was not simply the depiction of the prophet.
      Also interesting because Pakistan was one of the first places to erupt in reaction to the Danish cartoons.  Keeping in mind the many Pakistanis who apparently supported the Taliban, there seems to be a very strong anti-Western sentiment in that country, perhaps fed by Saudi-financed madrasas.

      Democrats: Members of the Democratic Party working to advance democracy; Republicons: Members of the Republicanist Party working to advance Republicanism

      by word is bond on Sun Feb 05, 2006 at 10:33:23 AM PDT

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  •  Thanks. Well said. (nt) (none / 1)

    Two war crimes make 'the right', not 'a right'. Defeat the liar John McCain.

    by Yellow Canary on Sun Feb 05, 2006 at 10:18:39 AM PDT

  •  And the (4.00 / 4)

    Saudi's love that company, what was the name again?  The Carlyle group how has ties to George something or rather.  Hmm.
  •  Front page this one (4.00 / 3)

    This is the explanation we need to understand this mess. MSM, as usual, flunks when it come to giving context.

    Let's get some Democracy for America

    by murphy on Sun Feb 05, 2006 at 10:25:25 AM PDT

  •  thank you very much. (none / 1)

    I did notice those flags but didn't realize they were saudi.

    <sigh>  I don't know if this information will ever see the light of day.  I don't know if it will ever connect with the middle east that they've been used to deflect criticism from Saud.

    But I must say in all compassion and respect, the faith of Islam sorely needs a "martin luther" moment.  

    By the way.  what does the arabic on the saudi flag say anyway?

    •  Saudi Flag (4.00 / 5)

      Wikipedia has a good article on it here.

      The Arabic script is the most basic creed of Islam and in English is:

      "There is no god but Allah; Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah"

      The sword is Saudi Arabia's little blasphemous (in my opinion) addition to the Quranic message, as it refers to the founder of Saudi Arabia (Ibn Saud) military "victories".  Those "victories" were largely due to British intrigue during WW1 and who got the keys to the kingdom (Hashemites were moved to Jordan, etc).

      Pax

      Night and day you can find me Flogging the Simian

      by Soj on Sun Feb 05, 2006 at 10:45:26 AM PDT

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      •  I guess I can see then... (none / 1)

        ...that it could become the standard of Islam.

        I imagine if the U.S. flag had "and God so loved the world he sent his only son to die for our sins." it'd be a standard of christianity everywhere.

    •  Words on Saudi Arabian flag (4.00 / 3)

      The words are "there is no God but God, and Mohammed is his Prophet."  

      This is the central creed of Islam, probably the equivalent of the Lord's Prayer for Christians.

      Probably one of the most inflammatory of the caricatures, from the Muslim point of view, was the one that showed Muhammed with his turban in the form of a bomb.  On the turban are printed the words from the Islamic creed I listed above, the same ones that are on the Saudi Arabian flag.

  •  I het it (3.36 / 11)

    when I see the German and French papers decisions to publish the cartoons called "fanning the flames." That's fanning the flames like black sodarity for Civil Rights. I applaud those papers for sending a sign to someone excercising their right to express themselves that they are not alone. It gets fucking lonely out there sometimes.

    Great fucking diary. These things are completely new to me.

    Today's Special: Chickenhawk, slow-baked in its mother's basement.

    by Earl on Sun Feb 05, 2006 at 10:28:23 AM PDT

  •  Diversion (2.84 / 13)

    The Arab countries are masters at diversion.  The whole Palestinian cause is built on it.
    •  Go back to Free Republic. <n/t> (2.80 / 10)

      "The last thing people want is an opposition party vigorously opposing things." - jasonwhat

      by the new yorker on Sun Feb 05, 2006 at 11:08:14 AM PDT

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      •  asdf (3.16 / 6)

        It's a fairly common theory among both left and right-leaning academics that the Middle Eastern nations use the Palestinian conflict to divert their people from the failings of their own governments. I see no reason why referring to that theory merits a troll-rating.
        •  Wrong. It's a farily common prejudice... (3.44 / 9)

          among people whom equate every Muslim in every Arab nation to be in a never-ending war against Israel.

          "The last thing people want is an opposition party vigorously opposing things." - jasonwhat

          by the new yorker on Sun Feb 05, 2006 at 11:24:19 AM PDT

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          •  as much as I have sympathy (4.00 / 3)

            for the palistinian cause, its rediculous to say that arab dictators dont milk it for everything its worth. The suffering of the Palistinians IS used to distract Arabs from the repression in their countries.

            Its similar to using gay marriage and abortion to distract working class Americans from their economic problems. Reactionary politics is always based on a patsy.

            In fact, this whole situation is very analagous to American politics- the dispute between situational (leftist) and cultural (conservative) populism. The question of "what offends Islam more? Suicide Bombings or cartoons?" is the same question as "whats more unchristian? poverty and destitution or dudes kissing?"

            This aint racism- they are just like us.

            Momma, who are we voting for? Big momma gon' vote for Rod Blagojevich.

            by your friend steve on Sun Feb 05, 2006 at 02:33:16 PM PDT

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        •  Because it's false. (3.80 / 5)

          The 'whole Palestinian cause' is not built on a diversion. If it were, then their standard of living should look more like Israel's does--instead, it looks more like Rwanda.
          •  Clarification (3.57 / 7)

            The argument is NOT that the Palestinian conflict is not real or that the Palestinian cause is not just. The argument is that the corrupt governments of middle eastern countries use the conflict to their own advantage to deflect their people's anger away from abuses by their own governments and towards Israel. This is a well-documented phenomenon and has zero to do with who is right in the Palestine-Israel conflict.
            •  yes, (none / 1)

              I think that is a much more defensible argument. I did not see that argument anywhere in the original post.
              •  Wow (4.00 / 4)

                I go away for a little while, and I get my first troll rating.  It's also the first time I was mistaken for a Freeper.

                Sorry I was glib.  Obviously one has to watch that when discussing such a sensitive subject, where reasonable people differ.  I think the word "exploit" was missing from the original post - as in, Arab government's exploit Palestinian suffering to distract their own people from their own failings.  In the context of the original post, I had assumed this was understood.  Cat1133 has my back.  Cat read my post as intended, and I agree with everything he/she said.

                Anyone reading this who isn't up to speed on the phenomenon should check out Tom Friedman's one good (really, excellent) book, "From Beruit to Jerusalem."

  •  So does this mean that Bush (none / 1)

    in the SOTU was actually giving notice to the Saudi's? That it is Bush who is tired of being addicted to their Oil, and their economic blackmail?

    Hmmmm......

    Overthrow the Government ~Vote~

    by missliberties on Sun Feb 05, 2006 at 10:29:26 AM PDT

    •  Not really in my view (none / 1)

      He then changed course the next day and said he was kidding- probably a call from the Saudis or his corporate handlers who would miss their record profits.   I think it was more an effort to fool the people to think he has a plan in common good interest. FRAT boys rarely think of anyone else (not meant to insult Fraternity members, whose members contribute to the world only the FRAT BOY 4 life type - drink, degrade others etc)

      "Be yourself; everyone else is already taken." Oscar Wilde

      by bloomster on Sun Feb 05, 2006 at 10:34:22 AM PDT

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  •  GREAT DIARY! (4.00 / 3)

    If only our news media would dig a quarter as deep as you did when they cover the news. Only its not in their corporate owners interest to have a informed populace -our media like many good propagandists in the past is acting more like a cheerleader for status quo than real journalists.  We need to encourage our friends and neighbors to seek more sources of information - and to try and think more critically- which unfortunately - most US schools do not teach- rather than swallowing what the "media" gives them and accepting it as the be all and end.
    The world is more grey than many Americans seem to want to accept.

    Thanks good job- keep on blogging!

    "Be yourself; everyone else is already taken." Oscar Wilde

    by bloomster on Sun Feb 05, 2006 at 10:31:31 AM PDT

    •  much of the information in the diary (none / 0)

      actually comes from a satirical fake memo from the Saudi press secretary to the king. It is clearly satire. I don't know what happened here, but this is pretty much a non-story to me now and surely should not be on the recommended list.

      i think they're attacking me cause i'm awesome. how's that??

      by missreporter on Sun Feb 05, 2006 at 01:26:06 PM PDT

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  •  A perfect examination... (4.00 / 2)

    ...of how states (and media) control and 'lead' their people to desired outcomes.

    Recommended.

  •  And then there's the poll (none / 0)

    Assassin: Its worse than you know. Malcolm: It usually is. 宁静

    by TalkieToaster on Sun Feb 05, 2006 at 10:41:12 AM PDT

  •  are you sure that's not the flag of hamas? (none / 0)

    i'm also interested in knowing if there were any protests about this actually in saudi arabia.  i just saw the new ambassador of saudi arabia to the us on late edition.  he said that they don't have those riots as other countries do.  other than the fact that i shouldn't be taking him or wolf at their words, i didn't see any protesting in saudi arabia.  blitzer did show some saudi comics though from a major newspaper attacking the jews.  one with a jewish guy drinking blood and many skulls on both sides.  back in 2001 or 2002, i remember a news report of a tv add or teachings to school children in saudi arabia against the jews.  too  bad i didn't have a record button.

    I used to admire you for pointing out that it takes a village. Now, I just wonder how many villages have been destroyed and children killed by this war.

    by lostinbrasil on Sun Feb 05, 2006 at 10:43:04 AM PDT