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Mega-church minister linked to paramilitary video game (Updated)

Mon May 29, 2006 at 05:33:30 PM PDT

Originally posted on Talk to Action as "The Purpose Driven Life Takers."A new Christian video game evokes 911.

Imagine: you are a foot soldier in a paramilitary group whose purpose is to remake America as a Christian theocracy, and establish its worldly vision of the dominion of Christ over all aspects of life. You are issued high-tech military weaponry, and instructed to engage the infidel on the streets of New York City. You are on a mission - both a religious mission and a military mission -- to convert or kill Catholics, Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, gays, and anyone who advocates the separation of church and state - especially moderate, mainstream Christians. Your mission is "to conduct physical and spiritual warfare"; all who resist must be taken out with extreme prejudice. You have never felt so powerful, so driven by a purpose: you are 13 years old. You are playing a real-time strategy video game whose creators are linked to the empire of mega-church pastor Rick Warren, best selling author of The Purpose Driven Life.

The game, slated for release by October 2006 in advance of the Christmas shopping rush, has been previewed at video game exhibitions, and reviewed by major newspapers and magazines. But until now, no fan or critic has pointed out the controversial game's connection to Mr. Warren or his dominionist agenda.

Time magazine has described Mr. Warren as one of the nation's most influential Evangelical Christian leaders. He describes himself as a "stealth evangelist" and describes his training programs as "a stealth movement, that's flying beneath the radar, that's changing literally hundreds, even thousands of churches around the world." He claims that he has sold tens of millions of copies of The Purpose Driven Life by developing a worldwide network of pastors.

The international director of Mr. Warren's Purpose Driven Church, Mark Carver, is a former investment banker who serves on the Advisory Board of the corporation created in October 2001 to develop and market this game. The creators plan to market their game using the same network marketing techniques that Mr. Warren used to turn The Purpose Driven Life into a commercial success. For example, they plan to distribute their merchandise through pastoral networks, especially mega-churches.

This game immerses children in present-day New York City -- 500 square blocks, stretching from Wall Street to Chinatown, Greenwich Village, the United Nations headquarters, and Harlem. The game rewards children for how effectively they role play the killing of those who resist becoming a born again Christian. The game also offers players the opportunity to switch sides and fight for the army of the AntiChrist, releasing cloven-hoofed demons who feast on conservative Christians and their panicked proselytes (who taste a lot like Christian).

Is this paramilitary mission simulator for children anything other than prejudice and bigotry using religion as an organizing tool to get people in a violent frame of mind? The dialogue includes people saying, "Praise the Lord," as they blow infidels away.

The designers intend this game to become the first dominionist warrior game to break through in the popular culture due to its violent scenarios and realistic graphics, lighting, and sound effects. Its creators expect it to earn a rating of T for Teen. How violent is that? That's the rating shared by Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell - Chaos Theory, a top selling game in which high-tech gadgets and high-powered weapons - frag grenades, shotguns, assault rifles, and submachine guns -- are used to terminate enemies with extreme prejudice. [Nota bene: While some versions of Splinter Cell: Chaos Theory have been rated M for Mature, Amazon.com offers a version rated T for Teen, which invites players to "Go into battle with futuristic weapons and high-tech gadgets used by real-life spies," and "Strike without mercy." -- JH]

Could such a violent, dominionist Christian video game really break through to the popular culture? Well, it is based on a series of books that have already set sales records - the blockbuster Left Behind series of 14 novels by writer Jerry B. Jenkins and his visionary collaborator, retired Southern Baptist minister Tim LaHaye. "We hope teenagers like the game," Mr. LaHaye told the Los Angeles Times. "Our real goal is to have no one left behind."

The Left Behind video game lets children create carnage on the streets of New York.

The game, Left Behind: Eternal Forces, is based on scenes from the first four novels in the series. The game was developed by a publicly-traded company called Left Behind Games, according to SEC records. The developers obtained the license from Tyndale House, the Christian publisher of Left Behind.

Tyndale also publishes Bringing Up Boys and The Complete Marriage and Family Home Reference Guide by Focus on the Family founder  James Dobson, PhD. Mr. Dobson has advised parents to monitor the amount of time children spend playing video games and "avoid the violent ones altogether." But he has not yet stated his views on whether there should be an exception for video games that role play gunplay in the name of Christ, or of the AntiChrist.

Tyndale's licensing of the project infuriated one of its authors, Jack Thompson, a conservative Christian attorney and outspoken critic of video game violence, who told the Los Angeles Times that he severed ties with his publisher in a dispute over "Left Behind: Eternal Forces."

"It's absurd," said the video critic. "You can be the Christians blowing away the infidels, and if that doesn't hit your hot button, you can be the Antichrist blowing away all the Christians."

The firm's CEO is relying on network marketing through pastoral networks as a key part of his business plan, according to a report in the March 6, 2006, issue of Newsweek Magazine:

Left Behind Games CEO Troy Lyndon, whose company went public in February, says the game's Christian themes will grab the audience that didn't mind gore in "The Passion of the Christ." "We've thought through how the Christian right and the liberal left will slam us," says Lyndon. "But megachurches are very likely to embrace this game." Though it will be marketed directly to congregations, Forces will also have a secular ad campaign in gaming magazines.
As part of its marketing pitch, Left Behind Games hypes the realism with which it portrays the neighborhoods of New York City. There is, for the most part, a remarkable verisimilitude except for one detail - all of the ambulances have 911 painted on their roofs. In the reality-based world, most ambulances have a red cross on top. Yet the game designers make prominent use of these 911 ambulances to evoke the tragic events of September 11, 2001. The historical context of 911 is invoked as if to say, We are living in the End Times, and Muslims are among the kinds of infidels whom you should fear, whom you should be prepared to kill for your cause.

For game enthusiasts, there is also a multi-player mode, in which you can go online and battle to take territory from other players. If you happen to blow away a neutral party - and collateral damage is inevitable in the End of Days - then you will lose "Spirit Points". But you can power back up with merely a brief timeout for prayer, or by converting one of New York's terror-stricken citizens.

God Gameth, God Bloweth Away: The creators of a violent video game are linked to dominionist pastor Rick Warren. Graphic by Jonathan Hutson

In this way, the game resembles a send-up of Christian-themed video games by "The Simpsons." "Billy Graham's Bible Blaster," is a first-person shooter game in which you fire Bibles at club-carrying heathens to convert them into card-carrying Republicans. (Hint: after you finish reading this blog piece - and eating all your vegetables -- visit the Simpson's official web site and open file drawer F-H, then click on the character of Evangelical Christian kid Rod Flanders to play the game.)

Time has dubbed Mr. Warren "America's minister." But Mr. Warren says that his agenda stretches far beyond America, and far beyond traditional ministry. He sees himself as the CEO of a global marketing enterprise, and as the Commander in Chief of a stealth army of one billion Christian foot soldiers.

On the 25th Anniversary of his Saddleback Church on April 17, 2005, Mr. Warren filled the Angels baseball stadium in Anaheim, California, with tens of thousands of his flock. Mr. Warren signaled his belief that we are now approaching the End of Days by opening with a rock band, which played the Jimi Hendrix drug anthem Purple Haze. As the band jammed, Mr. Warren sang the lyrics:

Purple haze all in my eyes

Don't know if it's day or night

You got me blowin', blowin' my mind

Is it tomorrow, or just the end of time?
The Director of the Peace Corps, Gaddi Vasquez, read a message of support from President George W. Bush. Then Mr. Warren called on his flock to support a $40 million capital campaign to expand missionary training facilities at Saddleback's 120-acre campus in Lake Forest, California. He pledged participants to achieve a purpose-driven ministry overseas. His dominionist theology is apparent in this ministry. A key aspect of dominionist thought is a conviction that the Scripture gives the church a mandate to take dominion over this world socially and culturally before the return of Jesus Christ. Mr. Warren's global plan is a strategy to realize a dominionist vision of churches, states, and corporations forming partnerships to bring about a new world order to make way for Christ's return by establishing a literal, physical kingdom of God on earth. In order to build this earthly kingdom, Mr. Warren plans marketplace ministries - business ventures with a veneer of missionary compassion that slip into a country in order to transform it systematically through the governmental, corporate, and social sectors. And that is why Mr. Warren calls himself a "stealth evangelist" - because he wishes to cloak his dominionist agenda, which is the establishment of an earthly kingdom that reflects his skewed vision of Christianity.

According to Mr. Warren, the establishment of this earthly kingdom requires "foot soldiers." As part of his plan, Mr. Warren said he would encourage laypeople to "adopt" needy villages overseas in order to plant churches, expand business opportunities, educate children, influence governments, and overthrow corrupt political leaders, whom he described as "little Saddams." Mr. Warren said his purpose is to enlist "one billion foot soldiers for the Kingdom of God" in the developing world. And the stadium crowd roared its approval.

Celebrants included Paul Kagame, the president of Rwanda, a tiny east African country that lost hundreds of thousands of people when it suffered genocide in 1994. Catholic and Protestant clergy have been convicted in connection with that genocide. Yet Mr. Kagame announced that he would allow Mr. Warren to turn his country into the first purpose driven nation. The following month, 16 Rwandan religious leaders arrived in Orange County to begin religious training at Saddleback Church. Mr. Warren has said that his global initiative was developed "underground" and in "stealth". Presumably, this was done with the assistance of Mr. Carver, who directs the Purpose Driven Church in all its activities outside North America.

Yet through an unexpected turn of events in Georgia, the spotlight was turned on Mr. Warren's stealthy strategy in March 2005, when Ashley Smith read a passage from The Purpose Driven Life to the Atlanta courthouse killing suspect, Brian Nichols. Shortly thereafter, Mr. Nichols freed his hostage and surrendered to police. The entire world suddenly wanted to hear from Mr. Warren, who was busy planting the seeds of a Christian theocracy with his "foot soldiers" in Rwanda.

On March 22, 2005, CNN's Larry King interviewed Mr. Warren about the Atlanta courthouse shooting and hostage taking. A caller asked, "Can you explain the sudden thirst or craving that people seem to have for religion?

Mr. Warren replied:

"[T]here are really two stories going on in our culture right now. There is the story of things are getting more worse [sic] in some ways. We're seeing the increase in violence. We're seeing terrorism. We've seen these recent shootings. We're seeing the coarsening of our society, that has disgusted a lot of people. And there is people [sic] -- some people are more materialistic than ever.

But at the same time, there's another story going on in America, that I think is a spiritual awakening that is brewing. And that is a desire and hunger to know God. I don't always think it's always a desire and hunger for church. But there is a desire and hunger to know God.

So according to Mr. Warren, the worst of American culture is reflected in examples of violence, terrorism, shootings, and the coarsening of our society, that turn people away in disgust. And in addition, "some people are more materialistic than ever."

If violence, coarseness, and materialism are serious social problems, then what purpose is served by exploiting a global pastoral network to mass market a game about mass killing, whether in the name of Christ or the AntiChrist?

On the one hand, this video game is anti-American, because it endorses roving death squads engaged in faith-based violence without any regard for Constitutional law.  On the other hand, the video game is anti-Christian, because it argues that the Kingdom of God can be advanced by using the methods and tools of the kingdoms of this world, namely guns and bombs.

The Scriptures say, "Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it." (Proverbs 22:6) The Scriptures do not say, "Train up a child in the way he should blow away the people of God as well as infidels: and when he is old enough, he will go out and do some killing."

As Jesus said, "My kingdom is not of this world. If my kingdom were of this world, then my servants would fight that I might not be handed over to the Jews. But as it is, my kingdom is not from here" (Gospel According to John 18:36).  As Paul said, "Though we walk in flesh, we do not make war in accordance with the flesh, for the weapons of our warfare are not fleshly." (2 Corinthians 10:3-4a).

The dominionist Christians pushing this violent video game are modeling neither Christian charity nor patriotism. Both Christians and patriots should oppose them.

UPDATE

Endorsement by Association

What is going on here is an old fashioned business idea of endorsement by association, in which a corporation gains the implied endorsement of a product by being able to invoke the name brand of a prominent person or celebrity. In this case, this is an alliance of business and ministerial interests invoking the name brand of the Mr. Warren's Purpose Driven Church. Mr. Warren does not have to explicitly endorse or be involved in the product in order to be held accountable for allowing his name brand to be used in the selling of this antisocial product.

Some people have commented that the link between Mr. Warren's purpose driven empire and this product is casual. Let's be clear: Mark Carver is Executive Director of the Purpose Driven Church, and therefore works directly for Mr. Warren in one of the most senior roles in his empire. It would seem unlikely that Mr. Warren, who plans an international stealth evangelism campaign that already includes the president of Rwanda, is unaware of this project, the biggest Christian video game in history. Mr. Carver's role on the Advisory Board of Left Behind Games, the corporation created in October 2001 specifically to develop and market this violent video game, is an association clearly more active than a casual. People are involved on this Advisory Board because of their expertise, and their connections to markets -- in this case, Mr. Warren's. On its corporate web site -- part of its merchandising pitch -- Left Behind Games touts its association with Mr. Carver, and makes clear his prominent role in Mr. Warren's Purpose Driven Church.

In other words, Left Behind Games is invoking its association with Mr. Warren's Purpose Driven Church as part of its product marketing strategy. Do we think that Mr. Warren would allow his name brand and reputation to be casually invoked in a major business venture that involves one of the largest publishers in the Christian marketplace, who published the Left Behind novels, one of the best selling fiction series of all time? Does anyone think that Left Behind Games invoked the name brand of Mr. Warren's Purpose Driven Church without his permission? Since this possibility is farfetched, what we are looking at here is a business/marketing alliance between several evangelical business and ministerial entrepreneurs for whom the Great Commission also means great profits.

Left Behind Games plans to market directly to pastoral networks and mega-churches, using the same network marketing strategies that turned Mr. Warren's book The Purpose Driven Life into a best seller . Mr. Carver has a lot of expertise and connections in this area. Will Mr. Warren's mega-church be offering this game for sale to its members? Will Mr. Warren's global pastoral network be used to distribute the game? On the other hand, if Mr. Warren is unaware and uninvolved, do we think he will fire Mr. Carver for marketing a product that helps children practice killing New Yorkers?

The Purpose Driven Life Takers (Part 1)

Violent Video Marketed Through Mega-Churches (Part 2)

Mega-Church Exec Resigns as Adviser to Video Game (Part 3)

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    •  Jesus. (10+ / 0-)

      I can't believe this isn't a joke.

      John McCain, 100 years in Iraq "fine with me"

      by taylormattd on Mon May 29, 2006 at 06:58:45 PM PDT

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      •  Nope (3+ / 0-)

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        Just a really bad idea. It'll sell in the megachurches, up to a point, but not in the smaller ones--they take the issue of violent video games much more seriously. And it won't appeal to most gamers who like the gore and blood spattering. They'll look at the praying for spirit points thing and laugh at it. I hang around occasionally on a gamer board--I'll have to see what they think of it.

        I want to die like my grandfather, peacefully in my sleep, not screaming in terror like his passengers.

        by incertus on Mon May 29, 2006 at 07:49:17 PM PDT

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        •  I don't know (2+ / 0-)

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          People are such rabid followers of this man and is crazy ass megachurches that most of them will do anything and everything he tells them.  If he tells the to buy and play this game, most of them almost certainly will.

          What's so funny 'bout peace love and understanding? ~ Nick Lowe

          by timberhoood on Mon May 29, 2006 at 08:34:56 PM PDT

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          •  Yeah (3+ / 0-)

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            but it's in the world of gamers where the company will need to make an impact, and the megachurches can only intersect with that group to a small degree. I don't see too many church members who aren't already gamers going out and dropping fifty bucks on a game rated T for their younger kids, no matter what Pastor Rick tells them to do. This has to go mainstream to make an impact.

            I want to die like my grandfather, peacefully in my sleep, not screaming in terror like his passengers.

            by incertus on Mon May 29, 2006 at 08:39:14 PM PDT

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            •  Agreed (0+ / 0-)

              However it's still very frightening that a country-wide group of children will be playing this thing.  Think about how this may influence them...The subject will become a sort of role-model for them.  I can just see it now: "Killing infidels and non-believers is righteous!  Totally righteous!"

              What's so funny 'bout peace love and understanding? ~ Nick Lowe

              by timberhoood on Tue May 30, 2006 at 02:54:38 PM PDT

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        •  I don't know if the 'praying for spirit points' (2+ / 0-)

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          will be too much different than a Dungeons and Dragons Paladin doing the same thing. That doesn't seem to stop the Hell-bound Heathens from playing.

          This is "Bizarro World"

          •  The difference (1+ / 0-)

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            is that praying for spirit points seems to be integral to this game, while in games like D&D, you could go your entire life without playing a paladin if you choose. It would be interesting to see if there's a way to pray for antichrist points or whatever if you're playing the other side.

            I want to die like my grandfather, peacefully in my sleep, not screaming in terror like his passengers.

            by incertus on Tue May 30, 2006 at 06:11:20 AM PDT

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      •  Who would Jesus Shoot? (11+ / 0-)

        sigh...sunday school was never like this.....

        I wish people would not use the word "Christian" in the same sentence with people like this...

        Politics is like driving...if you want to go backwards, choose R. If you want to move forward, choose D.

        by fireflynw on Mon May 29, 2006 at 08:32:15 PM PDT

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      •  This is even worse than that ethnic cleansing gam (2+ / 0-)

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        Ethnic Cleansing game.

        "Heck, make it 61 so we can tell Lieberman to go play in traffic." - Geotpf

        by Deano963 on Mon May 29, 2006 at 08:34:48 PM PDT

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    •  Gives 'being saved' a whole new meaning (3+ / 0-)

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      If you get saved, do you get another "life" in the game, so you can keep shooting and/or saving folks?

      What about for the anti-christ side: if they die, is it just "Game Over?"

    •  Congrats on making RawStory's front page! n/t (4+ / 0-)

      •  cool! (6+ / 0-)

        But as much as I am delighted that they highlighted this post -- this is a crosspost from Jonathan's home blog Talk to Action.  It would be nice if they would link to the original as well as to the Recommended Diary on dKos.

        •  Question for you, Clarkson... (2+ / 0-)

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          Since I consider you an expert on the subject (and consider myself merely a victim), is there any one particular event/occurance that you believe led Fundamentalists down this path of apostasy? Even in the 1990s, it wasn't like this, and I got out before the true "evil" took over. I'd be grateful for any of your insight.

          •  it has been headed this way for some time (10+ / 0-)

            I can't pin point it, but for several decades, premillential theology has been quite captivated by what have been seen as proof that the end times are upon us. Among other things, the founding of the nation of Israel is seen as the fulfullment of Biblical prophesy, and that therefore people are busy looking for other signs of fullfullment. In the 1970s and 80s, Jerry Falwell and Pat Roberston would go on their shows and offer interpretations of current events in light of the Book of Revelation.  Robertson said in the 1980s, that he expected to be alive to broadcast the Second Coming live from the Mount of Olives.  

            Suffice to say, that a wide swath of evangelical Christianity has taken all this very seriously,books have been written; films made; conferences held, schools of thought formed -- and everything has been the subject of mighty debates.  

            Unsurprisingly, there are variety of schools of thought about these things, especially what happens to everyone when the rapture occurs; what happens to those left behind, and how things are going to shake out in general.  

            There are several dominionist strains that have developed in which if you take your Biblical prophesy seriously, and see yourself as having a role in the end times -- then what shall it be?

            If you believe that the Christians are to have a hand in taking out the sinners and the unbelievers, you organize your life accordingly.  If you beleive that if you get raptured, things are going to be grim for those Left Behind, but that even then, one  still might have a chance to join with the forces of God and be saved -- what we have is a self-fulfilling prophesy, no?

            If LaHaye et al are wrong, and there is no rapture, then all they have created are the conditions for decades of religious warfare - in an age of nuclear weapons and militant Islam.

            Sara Diamond and Chip Berlet have written a great deal more about this wing of the premillenial Christian Right than I, and I would look to them for more detail on all this. (Chip blogs at Talk to Action and has written a series on Domininionism that I think addresses some of this.) Hope this helps!

            •  The True Believer (5+ / 0-)

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              Have you read the True Believer by Eric Hoffer?  He describes what is happening - the Religious Right is just one aspect of the phenomena of what happens to create a mass movement.  Since WW2 we've seen a number of examples of mass movements doing horrific harm to the society they've "cleansed".  One example was in Cambodia where Pol Pot wiped out the educated elite to create his perfect society.  One of my posts last year was about the mass movement that took over Rwanda where I asked:

              Can it happen here? In every one of the ugly and vicious genocides of the 20th century, the genocide was the culmination of relentless demagoguery and increasing polarization that allowed the demagogues to reach for total power. Demagogues are not interested in power sharing. They are not interested in tolerance which they see as weak. They are only interested in having total control and total say in the world they wish to create.

              The more I read about the fantiscism of the Religious Right, the more I fear that they are marching down the same road we saw in Rwanda and in Cambodia.  This game is innocuous unless you have been priming people for years that their duty is to purge the unbelievers.

              "The less satisfaction we derive from being ourselves, the greater is our desire to be like others." - Eric Hoffer

              by Mary on Mon May 29, 2006 at 09:23:21 PM PDT

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              •  it is, as you describe (2+ / 0-)

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                a fairly simple matter when you strip away all the hoo ha.

                A worldview in which the vast majority is demonized and an eligible target is being promulgated. In one sense, this is not new and there have been many, many experessions of this, as well as concerted organizing.  I discussed this in my 1997 book Eternal Hostility:  The Struggle Between Theocracy and Democracy.

                There are, as I mentioned above, a number of theological streams that pour into this poliitcal river. Some would embrace this video game, some not.

                I think that is is possible thwart the culture and mandate that it seeks to implement -- but it will take some much smarter efforts than we have been able to mount thus far.

                •  Your book (0+ / 0-)

                  Thanks, Frederick.  I'm definitely going to read your book now.  I was just rereading some sections of Sara Diamond's book today - the sections on the Christian Reconstructionist movement and Secular Humanism.  What I realized is that they have definitely overcome their differences since she wrote that book.

                  I think that is is possible thwart the culture and mandate that it seeks to implement -- but it will take some much smarter efforts than we have been able to mount thus far.

                  This sounds just like our problem of getting our country on the right track.  It's frustrating and frightening to see how little traction we get when our Senators vote for Michael Hayden.  It sounds like a topic we need to take up at YearlyKos.

                  "The less satisfaction we derive from being ourselves, the greater is our desire to be like others." - Eric Hoffer

                  by Mary on Tue May 30, 2006 at 12:06:03 AM PDT

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            •  I no longer accept the Rapture as I once did... (1+ / 0-)

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              After I began my theological studies with the Nazarene Church, I came to the sudden realization that the concept of the Rapture didn't exist before the 1840s. I have many, many reasons for leaving Fundamentalism and the Church of the Nazarene, but the fallacy of the Rapture was one of my strongest theological reasons for leaving. Thanks, as always, for an in-depth response. But, I still maintain that it wasn't like this in the 1990s.

              In a brief period before I left the Nazarene Church, I noticed a good change in my pastor --- he started to dissuade himself from the popular theological trends as well. I believe he is still pastor at the church, but I haven't heard or seen any of the congregation in over 5 years, so I'm not sure if he is still continuing that "backward" trend. For a young pastor, he was more a traditionalist rather than a 21st century evangelical. I hope he has remained on the side of Wesley than on the side of Arminius.

    •  Congrats on making RawStory's front page! n/t (1+ / 0-)

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      •  why not? (0+ / 0-)

        this was one the best pieces of journalism i've seen in a while - better than any in this country.

        & i do mean ANY.

        pathetic that it has to come from a citizen journalist rather than a paid one.

        & i do know there are good journalists out there - however, as that Jack Welch diary showed us, even if they are out there, the corporations that run so much of our media will fire anyone who would write this piece.

        volunteers can't be laid off.  great piece.

    •  Warren's 'worse and worse' claim is a myth ! (1+ / 0-)

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      He's ignorant or a propagandist :

      US Rates of violent crime, murder, divorce, and teen pregnancy have been dropping for decades.

  •  this, umm blows away (39+ / 0-)

    Warren's image as a moderate evangelical. If this is the role model for what post Christian Right evangelicals are supposed to be about, a full-blown political and theological crisis may be about to break out in American, and international evangelicalism.

    •  I think you're absolutely correct. (12+ / 0-)

      Something is about to start happening.  I've had a feeling about it after living through the 2004 election in Tulsa, OK.  Witnessing the mobilization of the fundamentalists was frightening - the hateful rhetoric that came from some of their mouths, the Generation Joshua kids on the street corners, the sense of desperation they had about electing Bush to get at the Supreme Court.  

      I just read Michelle Goldberg's book Kingdom Coming:  The Rise of Christian Nationalism and am very highly recommending it to anyone concerned about this issue.  And everyone should be.  

      I'm poised for the conflict and hope others won't wait too long.

      "Fired Up!" "Ready To Go!" Obama '08

      by Bodean on Mon May 29, 2006 at 07:27:00 PM PDT

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    •  Please, Lord, let the crisis happen (1+ / 0-)

      I can no longer allow these people to indoctrinate impressionable adolescents as I was once indoctrinated. They weren't even this extreme in the 1990s... what happened??? Clarkson, you are an expert on these things. What started this apostasy?

    •  Part of the problem (2+ / 0-)

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      is that outside of those people in the megachurches, few people know who Rick Warren is. Even those who follow the connections between the evangelical community and the Republican party might not know who he is, because he's not as high profile as Dobson or LaHaye, even though he's the one with the real power.

      I read an article about Warren in Harper's last year--he's a scary fuck, and has been for a long time, and yet very few people actually know the power he wields, so I'm afraid I have to disagree that this move will bring on a crisis. Nothing Warren's done so far has caused it, so why should this be a trigger?

      I want to die like my grandfather, peacefully in my sleep, not screaming in terror like his passengers.

      by incertus on Mon May 29, 2006 at 08:02:28 PM PDT

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      •  Is it possible to link (0+ / 0-)

        or post excerpts from this? or write a bit from memory about what made him a scary fuck? All I knew about Warren before this was that a) he was part of the wing of christianity that is trying to be more "positive" and "moderate", whatever that means  and b), more importantly for me, he's part of the Evangelical Climate Initiative, that group of pastors most of us have heard about that are switching sides on the culture wars for that particular issue. That he is willing to do that means he has at least some semblance of non-extremism in him, it seems.

        In that context, I read this and thought that he might be supporting this as part of his efforts to be "moderate" and broaden the reach of Christianity. If you see the far right on one side opposed to any violence like this and the left as opposed to the game as well, then being for it perhaps implies moderation (the article talked about this - they are expecting opposition from both sides of the aisle).

        If this is the definition of moderation then I think it is very scary. But I do think it is possible that he's not necessarily that scary, just horribly wrong on this issue.

        I could definitely be wrong but I'd be interested in either your or Frederick's perceptions on why this means he's an extremist, not just a very misguided evangelical trying to be moderate.

        Oh yes, and fantastic diary, very interesting and the discussion is very fair and well-balanced. I think some of the best reporting on religion lately is coming through dKos, and conversely some of the best reporting on dKos lately is on religion.

    •  Do you believe there will be a snap back moment? (3+ / 0-)

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      While fundamentalist seek to force there world view on to others through manipulation of power, (economic, religious, and political) will we reach a moment of snap back. A moment were large numbers of believers begin to lose faith in the radical beliefs espoused, a moment where fear is no longer enough and a public backlash occurs?

      Could there be a modern day "protestant reformation" ?

      Do these broad power grabs have a half life?  Will a portion of these fundamentalist believers lose faith and even react against the manipulation?

      •  The problem, I think, (1+ / 0-)

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        is that the megachurches and Dominionists reflect a critical moment of denial in American culture.  Daily news from around the world should be sufficient to convince Americans that there needs to be some fundamental (heh) transformations in the way they live.  

        By this I mean that a whole series of excesses bound up in late capitalism and the emergence of the US as lone hegemon -- the total extension of capitalist control throughout the world; the battle over control of oil reserves; the intense polarization that such American objectives has provoked throughout the Muslim world; the trade deficit and the increasingly untenable foundations upon which the American economy is built (SUVs, McMansions financed by monster mortgages, the outsourcing of all but the most necessary service industries) -- has, in fact, placed the US on the precipice of something not unlike End Times.  And the only way for most people to deal with this eventuality is to either stick their head in the sand or devise a flattering, if hallucinogenic, scenario that might explain away all of these troubling signs.  

        The Dominionist interpretation of the present grim situation -- like the creationist worldview that serves as its origin myth -- has the benefit of being completely unverifiable one way or the other.  Saying the rapture is nigh is like saying that a truck bearing $100 million dollars is about to pull into my driveway:  there's no way to know for sure, but it sure is pleasurable believing it will happen.  In the meantime, you just slot the daily dose of bad news -- riots in Kabul, soaring gas prices, etc. -- into its appropriate candy-coated Nostradamus prediction and go about your business, your conscience unmolested.

        So I don't think anything is going to change until a moment of crisis inescapably confronts Americans with this emergent reality.

        Nothing requires a greater effort of thought than arguments to justify the rule of nonthought. -- Milan Kundera

        by Dale on Tue May 30, 2006 at 08:12:03 AM PDT

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    •  this exposes their real agenda (5+ / 0-)

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      These are sick people - truly the American Taliban. And this video game proves it.

      At every turn, the question on Americans' lips should be:

      "What kind of twisted people would make a GAME out of murdering people over their religion? How sick are these nutcases?"

      Killing infidels? Terrorizing the streets of New York? The message they're sending is loud and VERY clear:

      "9/11 wasn't a bad idea - wish we'd thought of it first."

      This game is ripe for some serious blowback. Let's hope they pull off a massive marketing campaign and start distributing it before the blowback begins, though - this game will be the rope that their noose is made from, so it would be a real shame if they went away quickly and quietly. I hope it's a long, slow, public process of exposure for these fundamentalist whackos.

      •  they're nazis. real ones. (0+ / 0-)

        Blow away the Jews eh?  My God!, these people really are nazis, full-on and complete.  Real nazis.  To hell with this "neo"-nazi crap, that's just a euphemism, a nazi is a nazi is a stinking rotten nazi by whatever name, and these people are so dyed-in-the-wool it's surprising they aren't wearing swastikas.  

        Someone of truly major stature across the board, someone who has instant name recognition and high respect from sea to shining sea, needs to go on television and say it really loudly and clearly:  these people are nazis, this is naziism rearing its evil ugly head again, this is not Christianity, and people of any moral virtue whatsoever should condemn it and oppose it by all means available.  

  •  Any user mods out yet? (4+ / 0-)

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    by ben masel on Mon May 29, 2006 at 05:34:10 PM PDT

  •  If this game has the player killing (16+ / 0-)

    cops, and other public servants let us hear the outrage as there was for other video games. The din of crickets chirping will drown out the outcry I'm sure.

    Those who are willing to sacrifice liberty for safety deserve neither. (Paraphrasing B. Franklin)

    by p a roberson on Mon May 29, 2006 at 05:40:41 PM PDT

    •  to be honest... (2+ / 0-)

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      ...if you're reffering to that grand theft auto game, it wasn't the violence that got people so uptight but the possible plug-in you could download and installt hat would allow you to have sex with prostitutes.

      If I remember it correctly.

      it's nto the blood or gore they object to, it's the men sticking their weewees into women, or other men that they object to.

      <shrug>

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      by DawnG on Mon May 29, 2006 at 07:38:31 PM PDT

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      •  Then that's the mod (2+ / 0-)

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        that's just begging for an enterprising coder to write it and post it. And it's the kind of mod that the game company, if they had any sense, would have made on the side, to drive interest, because I don't see much else to drive this dog of a game outside the churchkids.

        I want to die like my grandfather, peacefully in my sleep, not screaming in terror like his passengers.

        by incertus on Mon May 29, 2006 at 07:52:52 PM PDT

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      •  GTA didn't take place in NYC (1+ / 0-)

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        ...it takes place in fictional cities that are loosely based on San Francisco, Miami, Philly, etc.  (Wikipedia says that "Liberty City" is based on NYC, but my GTA-playing boyfriend says it's more like a conglomerate of Northeastern Mafia-ridden urban areas.)  If this game comes out and the NYPD, which still is full of "infidel" Irish Catholics (yup, just like the stereotype), hears anything about cop-killing in this game, they will make a huge deal about it.  Same thing with firefighters.  They will connect it to 9/11 immediately.

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        by iCaroline on Tue May 30, 2006 at 06:18:15 AM PDT

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  •  It's all about the Benjamins (24+ / 0-)

    This a fine example of the profoundly reckless hypocrisy of Christian entrepreneurship. That's all this guy is: an entrepreneur who is trying to make a killing (no pun intended) in a niche market. That's what The Purpose Driven Life was about, too. After all, the people whom self-help books help the most are the people who write them.

    Ever notice how conservatives don't conserve anything?

    by MHB on Mon May 29, 2006 at 05:43:14 PM PDT

  •  This is a very important story (45+ / 0-)

    It takes the most dangerous ideas of the Left Behind series, and turns them from religious fiction -- into an interactive educational toy for children in which they get to kill infidels -- or be killed by infidels on the streets of New York.  

    If anything, Jonathan understates the outrageousness of this. Are Rick Warren's minions getting children accustomed to the notion of religious warfare in their lifetimes?

    I think that is probably the case.

    I highly recommend this diary. Please do not let it scroll away!

    •  well, I don't recommend... (4+ / 0-)

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      ... this diary, nor do I condone your comment.

      Games are not dangerous. Stop blaming games for social ills. Fix social ills, instead !

      You get the Hilary Clinton award for cynical politics. A game is not outrageous. A game is a game. Play. Imaginiation. Not real.

      This not outrageous, and neither is a nude patch for $yourgameofchoice (aka GTA, Oblivion, or whatever else the hypocrites target this week), a shooter game or little Billy playing cowboy and indians in the garden.

      Get outraged over real things. Stop using gamers as political roadkill - we aren't, and we take note.

      I hope I made this absolutely clear.

      •  Talk about missing the point (17+ / 0-)

        hint: gamers are not under attack by the diarist and they are certainly not being used as political roadkill.

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        by stevej on Mon May 29, 2006 at 06:57:00 PM PDT

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      •  why, yes (34+ / 0-)

        You make yourself perfectly clear that you don't understand why the diarist is concerned -- and that you should be too. Let me try to explain.

        I agree with you that bored teenagers in the suburbs to not become car thieves because of Grand Theft Auto. Nor do I think that violent video games are necessarily causal of violence or other social pathologies.

        But when you have parents, as part of the religious education of their children, providing them with  interactive games that teach that in thier lifetimes they will have the option to kill the infidels -- defined as people who do not conform to their particular theology -- that is a serious problem. It is a matter of the development of an identity, not a matter of entertainment.

        My advice to you is to drop a mindless defense of games and understand what is going on in the world around you. These are dangerous times, and not because of games. But this game, is part of a far broader strategic plan of indoctrination -- and umm, you are probably one of the infidels that this generation will be trained to target.

      •  Dude, Where's the line? (18+ / 0-)

        Frederick Clarkson is the author of Eternal Hosility, perhaps the single best book about the infilitration of American poltics by religous fanatics.

        He's not saying to ban this, just to calling out the message.  This is an ideological tool used to desensitize young kids to murder, because the people they're murdering aren't fellow children of god, they are heathens, kosher for slaughter. Oy Vey, look up Christian Zionism:

        The role of certain Christians in supporting the establishment of Israel following World War II is well known; and it is regarded by some critics as, in part, a kind of self-willed fulfillment of prophecy.

        Given this, some are alarmed by what else Christian Zionists envision being done to bring about the conversion of the Jews and the end of the world. As an example, Hal Lindsey, one of the most popular American promoters of dispensationalism, has written in one of his books about the end times: "the valley from Galilee to Eilat (a town in southern Israel) will flow with blood and 144,000 Jews would bow down before Jesus and be saved".

        According to Lindsey, the rest of the Jews, and presumably all non-Christians, will perish in "the mother of all Holocausts", a great battle of religion called Armageddon.

        Such beliefs asserted as inevitable fact, and a basis for human action, are often criticized in alarmed tones.

        Left Behind.  These people are praying for Armageddon, and they've put together a game that promates the idea of killing unbelievers.  It shouldn't be banned, but it should be denounced, and if children need to be protected from the sight of bare breast, they should most certain be protected from games that incite genocide.

      •  Normally, I'd agree (13+ / 0-)

        But usually game makers tend to say 'don't go out into the street and kill cops and beat hookers.'

        In this case, the game makers are saying 'get ready for this - you will be performing this duty in the near future.'

        Yes, I would say that the game in isolation is no different than a game that allows you to join in the Butlerian Jihad, the transhuman wars of the StarCraft pre-history or any other apocalyptic scenario.  I mean, heck, you want an apocalyptic game, play the apocalypse (albeit perhaps a twisted version) yourself!

        But, this game might be just part of an overall training back.  In isolation, not much, but could be a part of reinforcement learning.

        Somehow, I never thought that building a brainwashed army could be profitable.  Guess I was wrong.

      •  I broadly agree (3+ / 0-)

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        I grew up playing games, I still play games, I particularly enjoy ultraviolent first person shooters - I've played hundreds of games glorifying war, I've killed thousands upon thousands of people online. It doesn't mean a thing to me as a person, it's just entertainment. This game is more of the same, it just happens to have an explicitly political subject matter - in some ways this may even hurt the Dominionist agenda because the cartoonishness of their ideology is made explicit by using it as the setting for a game. Additionally, the game is likely to suck horribly - religious fanatics have never been able to produce quality enterainment, all they know how to do is make propaganda. I expect every kid who gets this for xmas will try it, hate it, and go back to killing cops and smacking whores around in whatever latest iteration of GTA is out then. If it does turn out to be popular some 12 year old can release a mod that makes everyone naked and force the ESRB to re-rate the game to Mature or Adults-Only. For those not in the know, the ESRB rates video games, recently they have begun rerating games which have had mods released based on what those mods can do, i.e. in the most recent case the game Oblivion had a mod released which made it so you could reskin a female player model with the unclothed skin from a male player model and thus achieve some really ugly  boobies - thus the game was re-rated to Mature. The irony is that any kid who has the skill to download and install the mod certainly has the skill to download DVD rips of hardcore porn.

        "The power to dominate rests on the differential possession of knowledge" -Foucault

        by Jett on Mon May 29, 2006 at 07:35:32 PM PDT

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        •  They will use it as a training exercise (3+ / 0-)

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          within their own community. Doesn't the military use video games in training/desensitization.

          " Every Thanksgiving, Bill Clinton stuffs a kitten inside a puppy inside a chimp inside a dolphin. It's like a turducken, only more evil. " balancedscales

          by buddabelly on Mon May 29, 2006 at 09:28:16 PM PDT

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          •  this may be true (0+ / 0-)

            They use high-end simulators for jets, helicopters, and certain forms of combat (I think tanks mostly?) - the ones I've seen don't look very fun, they're not really "games" in my book and they cost a lot of money to create. The military DOES use video games for recruitment though, they've spent millions creating "America's Army", a first person shooter game that they give away for free. Supposedly it works fairly well, a large number of new recruits have played the game. I think that is more about them tapping into a segment of the gaming subculture than anything though - chances are even more new recruits have played with GI Joes, 'eh?

            That said - I'm skeptical that a shitty real-time strategy game is going to be useful as any sort of a training exercise. The basic gameplay in every game of this genre revolves around resource allocation, e.g. how do I collect as much fuel as possible?and then how do I spend that fuel efficiently? - the competition is fundamentally about how effective you are at answering these questions (no offense RTS fans!). I doubt very highly we will see anything innovative from a religious fanatic gamedev. In my book an RTS is extremely useless as a training exercise - I've played dozens of them going back to the founding of the genre in the early 1990's, I don't think I got anything out of them beyond entertainment. I might be wrong though, maybe if you give me a peon, a forest to log, and a some goldmines I will conquer the world...

            "The power to dominate rests on the differential possession of knowledge" -Foucault

            by Jett on Tue May 30, 2006 at 08:24:47 AM PDT

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      •  speaking as a person who LIKES (5+ / 0-)

        first-person shooters, you've completely missed the point.

        The point is that video games are not ordinarily consciously constructed to condition kids towards the idea that "it's OK to kill infidels". From the point of view of parents who'd buy this for kids knowing the content, that's you, me, and basically everybody at dKos.

        Violent video games are supposed to be about entertainment. Nobody around here that I've noticed favors video game censorship, least of all me.

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        by alizard on Mon May 29, 2006 at 10:04:35 PM PDT

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      •  You know... (1+ / 0-)

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        Normally i would agree with you, but there's something about this game that seems different to me than most others.

        Grand Theft Auto is nowhere near as objectionable as this, although i don't expect it to play out that way in the press/public, because the game is fundamentally about the choices the player makes.

        This game is about waging religious war. This is a sensitive topic and ought to be treated as one--it has caused some of the greatest human sufferring in history. This game does not appear to treat the subject sensibly, but instead looks to be agitating for even more sufferring--and that appears to be the explicit goal behind this game: to use it as propaganda in an attempt to radicalize people.

        If my suspicions bear out i will likely condemn the game just as i condemn the books that spawned it.

        And this is from a hardcore gamer who is not afraid of silly little things like video game nudity. (Don't make me prove it :P)

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        by Shapeshifter on Tue May 30, 2006 at 01:02:13 AM PDT

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    •  Why not Catholics/Prostentants/Jews/Arabs (0+ / 0-)

      Shooting each other. "Streets of Ulster" or "Gaza Strip."

  •  can't wait for the mods (5+ / 0-)

    my son once made a mod of TEAM FORTRESS which had one gun shooting urine baloons and another shooting crap balls.